s. >> gretchen: tomorrow, craig morgan, the star who is now a hero for rescuing people in the car accident. >> brian: bob massi, not a country music star. and bill o'reilly could have been if he wanted to. >> gretchen: good answer. >> steve: that's going to wrap it up for today. see you back here tomorrow. leak of just see dress we have seen and heard in years. now he's public. voluntarily stepping forward to explain why he did what he did. there is a lot more to talk about. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to america's newsroom. martha: ayes martha maccallum. he worked for the nsa. he said he leaked information about the sweeping surveillance program because he says the american public has a right to

know what the nsa is doing. >> the nsa is focus and getting intelligence anywhere its can. they have a self-certification that they serve the national interest. they target the communications of everyone. it ingests them by default. it collects them in its system and analyze and measure as and stores them for a period of time. >> he's allegedly hiding out in a hotel room in hong kong. he says he's ready for the consequences, whatever the consequences might be. our chief intelligence correspondentcast relationship . >> reporter: in a statement the nation's intelligence chief assessing the fallout of the

intelligence leaks. they are reviewing the damage that bass been done by these disclosures. any person who has a stuart clearance knows he or she has the obligation to abide by the law. former nsa officials say they expect investigators to open snowedden's accounts to find out which document he accessed and copies and how many leaks are to come. his former employer says they can confirm ted win snowedden has been an employee for less than 3 months a signed to a team in hawaii. a former employee says it's not uncommon for a contractor to have the clears given to

snowedden. bill: what more are we learn being his motivations in. >> he says he was careful and selective by which documents he chose to leak and he was able to see everything in including the location of cia offices overseas and the identity of covert assets. >> you see things that may be disturbing. but over the course after normal person's career you would only see one oaf or two of these instances. when you see everything you see them on a frequent basis and you recognize some of these things are actually abuse. >> reporter: one of the architects of the fateiate act says the administration claims authority to sift through details our private lives because it can and i disagree.

bill: thank you, catherine. catherine herridge, leading our coverage in washington. edward snowedden 29 years old. not finished high school. he was assigned to a military facility in gentleman fan and later went to hawaii on this assignment. meanwhile lawmakers not following party lines on this issue. you have members of the house intel committee happy this

information is public. chairman mike rogers slams the leak. he says snowden should be prosecuted to the extent of the law. >> putting just enough out there to be dangerous is dangerous to us, it's dangerous to our national security and violates the oath which that person took. i absolutely think they should be prosecutioned. martha: the obama administration has taken the first steps in the criminal investigation of snowden in this week. bill: rand paul wants to challenge the tracking of phone calls and e-mails. >> we are talk about trolling through billions of phone

records. we are not talking about going after a terrorist or murderer or rapist. but don't trol through a billion phone records every day. that is unconstitutional. it invades our privacy. i'm going to see if i can challenge this at the supreme court level. i'm going to be asking the internet providers and phone companies to ask their customers to join me in a class action lawsuit. if we get 10 million americans saying we don't want our phone records gone through. bill: he wants enough signatures to take the case to the supreme court. martha: . the $2 billion heavy fortified

google center has been up and running since last year. this massive data center is five times the size of the capital. they are building this huge facility to store everything on everybody. it is expected to be able to store something washington, d.c. a yata byte. it's so large no one has coined a term for the next highest level. bill: this could be global, too. more on that in a moment. what's it like to blow the whistle on the most powerful intelligence agency in the plan net tom drake knows.

he points at what is at stake. now far the government can snoop on name of national security. >> the on way to have perfect surveillance is to have a perfect surveillance tape. bill: that's tom drake. you will meet him in person. luke for him at 9:40 eastern time. martha: it's going to be very interesting. stick around for that. with the government track four phone calls and internet activity, there are new concerns the government snooping will extend intot or areas of our daily lives. under obama-care the irs will play a large roll in administering all of that. it raises questions about your

medical care. welcome, stuart. there is a lot of reasonable concerns raised by gathering of all of this information. it's not that everyone nicks you will be watching and listening to phone calls. if you they have a red flag on you. they have a treasure trove of stuff at their hands. >> these exploding scandals are putting obama-care in focus. do you trust your government with the health information you will have to hand over with obama-care in your health records are going online. do you trust the government not to look at them? number two, your health insurance information about be demanded by the irs. it will have to be put on your tax return. do you trust that irs with that political which charged information. the result of this is in the senate.

mike maclean is proposing the repeal of obama-care man the house mike mccarthy is proposing the full repeal of obama-care. there is gathering strength to reveal obama-care because of these exploding scandal. and president obama needs political support to push through obama-care and get it implemented. there is concern that will be a problem. bill: police are piecing together the clues in a shooting rampage that left five people dead in southern california. authorities say he killed his hs son and father before turning

the gun on himself. he was clear and ferocious and clear in his gaze. he seemed like a person on a mission. bill: what more do we know about this gunman, his motivation? >> reporter: there are some indications he might have been violent when he was in high school. that part of investigation continues. what's interesting with this shooting is authorities tell us if he had with all the magazines they had. if he had used all of them. and if all those magazines were full, he would have shot 1,300 round friday during that spree which covered locations a mile apart. one victim tells us she was

surprised. she was one of the first people to come across them. he was walk out of his father's house which was burning. he shot his father and boother there. and he walked over to this woman and she says he looked like a police officer in military gear. >> he looked like he was in a military operation. he didn't hesitate for a second. >> reporter: debra fine was released not long after our interview. she is lucky she was not killed by this man who was obviously out to shoot anybody he can. bill: apparently he came prebaird kevlar. >> reporter: his father and broth were were the first two victims. there was a woman shot outside

the library. the other two victims for a father and daughter. the groundskeeper here at the college. they were shot in the surf. she was here with her father to get books on friday. martha: just getting started this morning. we have new details on the 10-year-old girl who made national headlines while she awaits a lung transplant. bill: president obama unsifting every member of congress knew about the nsa's domestic spying. >> they are not secret in the sense when it comes to telephone calls. every member of congress has been briefed on this program. backflips and cartwheels.

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martha: authorities rescued 4 boy scouts as temperatures hit 110ing in the hot, blazing sun on the trail. an air crew brought the group to safety. one 69-year-old man also related to that hike. bill: top democrats saying the case is closed. congressman elijah cummings says the mystery over the irs scandal regarding the targeting of tea party groups is solved. >> if it were me i would wrap this case up and move on.

the i.g. made recommendations. those recommendations are being pea doptd by the irs -- are being adopted by the irs. bill: i guess that takes care of that. steven hayes, how you doing? case is closed? if it were me i would wrap this case up and move on. >> pretty striking thing to hear from the ranging democrat on the house oversight committee. the purpose of his job in that position is to make sure we have the questions answered. anybody who has watched the hearings over the last several weeks realizes there are dozens of questions that haven't been answered. they are trying to take an answer from one individual. bill: hely gentleman cummings was so eloquent and oh ticked

off. people in his own district and the amount of money the irs was abusing and wasting in california. when you come back to the story? cincinnati, how many questions has lois lerner answered? we found out friday there is an irs attorney who was calling the shots in d.c. where did the questions end i think is the question now. >> if you look at other information that emerged from the transcribed interviews they raised many more questions. you have individuals in the senate office say we are getting our information from d.c. we were being asked to provide 7 representative cases back to d.c. we were getting instructions from washington, d.c. so those are, i think raising many, many more questions than this one person that congressman

cummings suggests that tells a little bit of a different story. it's hearing all of these things. but to take that one account that suggests this was not that big a deal and declear that the entire episode is over i think is somebody looking first to solve the political problems. bill: i'm told they interviewed 100 people already. we have gotten partial transcripts on these interviews. what was doug shulman doing at the white house 167 times? >> what cummings is doing is taking one answer from one individual and trying to declare this entire thing over. if you have seen these hearings, there were so many questions that went unanswered, that went

partially answered, big questions like doug schulman's trips to the white house. there are so many unanswered questions i think this will end up looking like a pathetic attempt to deflect political concerns than answering substantive questions. martha: what is it like blowing the whistle against the most powerful intelligence agency on the planet. we'll talk to a man who says it's like going back to orhe will in 1984. bill: george zimmerman's fate hinge on one question. self-defense or murder. aw this is tragic man, investors just like you

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or was it self-defense. that is the main issue in the george zimmerman trial. emotions there are running very high. phil keating is in sanford, florida. how long do we think you're selection will take? >> reporter: the prosecutors and defense attorneys predict will fake one to three weeks. it will be a jury made up of 6 men and women and four alternates. it's not a first degree murder case. the clerk of court did summons 500 people. 200 showed up this morning. they are currently inside the courthouse filling out juror questionnaires.

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martha: an growing number of lawmakers are rejecting president obama's defense of the secret nsa program.

>> they are not secret in the sense when it comes to telephone calls, every member of congress has been briefed on this program. with respect to all the programs the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these program. martha: several lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are saying the statement is not true. >> we were never told thee were able to find out the information that's been revealed this week. i think it's a fiction it's a fiction that everybody in congress knows. martha: california republican kevin mccarthy is the majority whip and he joins me now. the president saying as far as the telephone parts of this goes, the data mining, everybody in congress was briefed on that. were you briefed on that? >> no. that's why congress has requested -- martha: you did not know about the larger data mining.

>> we have our intel committee that gets briefed but the full congress does not. that's why we have requested to be briefed tomorrow. we'll have a number of individuals coming down from ns sarks, the turn general's office and the fbi to walk through the entire congress members what is going on. there is a role for congress. we need checks and balances. we want to protect our civil liberties. we want to protect our nation from a terrorist attack. we need greater accountability and transparency. martha: do you think our government should be doing this? >> i have a real problem with it. i want to have a lot of questions answered. but i have a concern from a protection and civil liberties, i know we are coming off the boston bombings. i want to protect our nation at the same time. where is that fine line. transparency and accountability can get to us that point. but the more i hear about this,

i think there has to be a greater trust and the on way you build a trust is to have that transparency and accountability. martha: this 29-year-old edward snowden self-professed whistleblower-leaker. he says i think the american people deserve to know their government is collecting this information or is he a leaker as mike rogers who needs to be prosecuted. we heard that the white house is beginning that process. >> if you are a whistleblower you don't believe the united states and go to a communist country. being a whistleblower is putting the information out and not running from the country. did he put if the country in jeopardy? more importantly, don't leave

our country. if you have concerns, we are not afraid. why didn't he come before me and brought the information. martha: if this program worked, it should have caught these guys in boston. if you are tracking overseas information, you have got youtube, you have got text messages and cell phone calls. it sounds like it was precisely the time to catch somebody like these guys. it's an embarrassment they were not able to catch them when they are doing this extraordinary amount of data mining. >> remember we are putting the safeguards inner to civil liberties. it should have to go before the courts in order to get that. are we having enough protections in there? martha: the court would say russia told us this guy. we are concern. we are tracking their tint net

activity. if russia alerted our country they might be a security threat, this is the kind of thing we want to be doing here. >> we don't know if the safeguard check beforehand. we don't know if it's all there. but this is exactly what we are trying protect. we are trying to protect tour nation from a taish rift attack and protect our civil liberties that we don't have government watching all your phone calls. >> you guys have lot of questions and we look forward to the answers. good to have you here as always. thanks a lot. bill: scary scene the french open men's final when a protester took to the court, flare in hand. did you see this? that's one way to get attention. temperature. that protester jumps on the court coming very close to

rafael nadal. he was protesting same-sex marriage in france. nadal went on to win the open. martha: the mother after dying little girl has asked our country to pray for their daughter. while sarah's mom thought they almost lost her last night as they desperately waits for the lung that could save her life. bill: former whistleblowers speak to us life. >> it's a turn-key situation.

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martha: we have an update on the 10-year-old girl who needs a lung transplant to live. she is he dated. not breathing on her own. her mother says it was determined she need a heavily level of sedation so her body could rest and recoup. but the level of sedation is not a permanent solution. play for her for her body to relax and accept the vent.

bill: former nsa official tom drake was charged under the espionage act. hits crime? blog the whistle on a surveillance program much like the one now. tom drake is my guest now. living in the shadows in a television studio in washington, d.c. your issue was the cost of the program. you thought it wasted a lot of the taxpayer dollars and was conducting illegal surveillance on americans. in the even how much prison time did you spend after being threatened with life behind bars? >> i spent no time in prison. the government's case collapsed under the weight of truth and i pleaded out to a minor misdemeanor after they dropped the 10 felony charges. so city was community service and one year of probation. bill: i have heard people call

you a hero, i heard people call you a traitor. what do you call ed snowden. >> i call him a whistleblower. it's an extraordinary act of civil disobedience. he disclosed the pandora's box of surveillance tapes. bill: what do we have to fear? washington says we are looking for terrorists. >> they keep pulling that strawman out of the class entrepreneur as the reason to conduct this in secret. bill: they said they got one terrorist at a toll booth at the george washington bridge. >> i understand there is a need

to keep us from threats. we have legal means by which to do that. but do we need to turn the country inside out and have the government accessing our reports on and you unprecedented scale? bill: what do you think government does with that information? >> they store it. bill: for what purpose? >> they might need it later to go back and look at it. bill: are you talking about my financial records in health records? tax returns? what is it? >> any record that would potentially be necessary for them to look at later. the mantra was after 9/11 simply get the today tap we'll figure out what we are going to do with it later. bill: the ceo of google. maybe three years ago now he says if you are not doing anything wrong you should not fear the government collecting

your data. what do you think about that? >> that's another government means. you don't get a choice what they do with that data. they determine whether you have done something wrong and i'm exhibit number one for that. bill: did you know about police facility in utah south of salt lake in the middle of nowhere. >> i sure do. bill: it will open in october of this year. what will they do here? >> store a lot of data. it's the dark claude of the up tell jones community. the idea was born several years ago. they are when getting so much data they were running out of room in terms of where to it. remember when amazon.com was looking for a warehouse to store all their books? that's what they are doing. it's a multi-billion dollar facility. what should we be afraid of

there? >> we should be a frayed of what the government is doing in our name behind closed doors. what the government is doing in our name under the guise of keeping us safe. do we really want to trust government? bill: why are we just learn being this now? >> we are only learn being it was of whistleblowers disclosing it. bill: he's in hong kong hiding out. what do you think happens to him? >> if my case is any example the full weight of the department of justice will come down on him and huge teams are being formed to determine how to prosecute him. bill: do you think he will be prosecuted or do you have think this is just bluster. in your case they came to you early on and said you will spend the rest of your life in jail. >> they charged me with 10 felony counts. five under the espionage act. this is a severe embarrassment

to the intelligence community. bill: do you have a problem with him going to china. >> hong kong is in a special case. i believe it was a preemptive decision. gain of has happened with which the blowers and truth tellers, it's best to be outside the country once chose to self-disclose. bill: he says he wants to make it to iceland because that government protects internet security. >> he's clearly a person without a country and a person the government considers an enemy of the state. bill: thank you for sharing your story. hiding in the shadows of a television studio of washington, d.c. for our viewers at home shoot me and e-mail.

a lot to talk about with this online right now. martha: government says that the nsa surveillance program is being done to keep you safe. but there are some new concerns that data mining could be used for political purposes as well. a lot of layers to this. we are going to talk to karl rove about that. bill: an apache helicopter doing some death defying stunts. guess who is behind the wheels. check out the daredevil.

bill: who was flying this machine. spectators wowed by these

helicopter maneuvers. that's prince harry. captain wales as he's known in the military. spectators were shocked when he got out and waved to the crowd. march are's a talented chopper pilot and served very ably and well in the military. so they have had -- the trip to new york went well. things seem to be going a okay. bill: he plays polo. martha: all right. now to another part of the world where nelson mandela is spending a third day in the hospital. the 94-year-old anti-apartheid leader battling a recurring lung infection. he's with us and receiving the best possible treatment and everything is being done to keep

hem comfortable. that should be the focus rather than looking ahead and asking for speculative answers as to which way things can go. martha: gregg pal captain joins us with -- gregg palkat joins with us more. >> reporter: we are getting word there is no damage in his condition and that's not a good sign. he was receiving full medical care at home but that was not enough. the on positive thing we have been hearing is he is breathing on his own. this is the fourth times since december the 94-year-old south african president has been in the hospital. he contracted tuberculosis when he was in prison. martha: how are the people in

south africa dealing with this? >> reporter: it's very hard. we heard from desmond tutu who said we give thanks to god for nelson mandela. there have been prayers throughout the weekend for this man. with all the cham challenges facing south africa, the folks seems to be unwilling to give him up. this time they might have to and the hold world is watching as well. bill: a government contractor says he's the one who leaked the information about the nsa surveillance program after becoming disenchanted with president obama.

martha: the obama administration reacting to the unmasking of the former government contractor behind one of the largest intell jones leaks in years. welcome to a brand-new hour of america's newsroom. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. edward snowden is his name. he worked for booz allen. in an interview with the "guardian" newspaper he talks about how far the government's powers of surveillance have gone. >> any analyst can target anyone. where those communications will

be picked up and on the range of the networks and the authorities that analyst is empowered with. not all analysts have the authority to target everything. but i i have the authority to wiretap anyone from you to your accountant or even the president if i had a personal e-mail. martha: has the white house responded to this explanation and this interview done by edward snowden? >> reporter: edward snowden goes on to say that before he blew the whistle he accepted the risk of prison. it sounds like the justice department is trying to figure out what he did that could send him there. the spokesman is saying the department of justice saying he's in the initial stations of' unauthorized disclosure of

information of classified information. pop. on friday we did hear president obama explain why his administration takes leaks like this so seriously. >> our goal is to stop folks from doing us harm. if every step that we are taking to try to free vent a terrorist act is on the front page o of te newspapers or on television then presumably the people trying to do us harm are going to be able to get around our preventative measures. >> reporter: the united states does have an extradition treaty with hong kong with snoand is holed up. martha: there is talk of iceland as a possible refuge. >> he says he plans to sit in hong kong and hope ought

government there does not deport him. but he's interested in seek asylum in iceland. there is one lawmaker and media advocate who is sympathetic to his case. saying we are trying to get in touch with mr. snowden to discuss the details of his asylum request. and if possible iceland may thought be the best location depending on the legal framework. but near the states, republican congressman peter king is saying if ed snowden's claims are true, than no government should take -- should grant him asylum. martha: interesting how folks on all different sides are coming down in interesting ways on this. bill: snowden went on to explain yes was so quick to leave the

u.s. he was living in lay at the time. he's admitting he's worried about what could happen to him now. >> i could be rendered about it cia or have anybody come after me or any of their third-party partners. they work closely with other nations. we have got a cia station upup the road in the consulate near hong kong. i'm sure they are going to be busy for the next week. and that's a fear i live under for the rest of my life however long that happens to be. bill: congressman king is one of the congressman calling for prosecution and extradition. how would that work? judge napolitano with me. first on the legal side. will the government go after him? we were talking about a guy threatened with life in prison and he pled out to a

misdemeanor. >> i think the intelligence community is embarrassed. i think the white house is embarrassed. even though i believe this programs unconstitutional. the intelligence committee believes it will help them stop terrorist attacks and they believe he interfered with that. they need to go after him and i think they will. he's in a country where we have an extradition treaty. it will be relatively easy to arrest him and get him here and indict him. what happens after that is up to a jury, whether they think he's a hero or a goat. now to growr your side of it. this is what snowden talked about in i that interview with hong kong. >> even if you are not doing anything wrong you are being watched and record. the the storage cape bit of these is -- the storage

capability increases every year by magnitudes. you don't have to have doing anything wrong. you just simply have to eventually fall under suspicion. >> we need to understand that in secrecy the government has taken laws that we have written and enacted to protect us and it has used those laws to destroy our personal dignity and expose our innermost thoughts and behavior to the whims of government bureaucrats. not too long ago when he was head of the cia david petraeus informed us he was able to tap into the computer systems in your microwave and dishwasher. it turn out there is very little barriers between our private lives whether it's our kitchens or offices or basements and the lust of government officials to know what we are doing. some government officials are

noble and selfless people. not all are as we know from james rosen with benghazi and the ira. people at his level. 29 years old had the authority to capture the key strokes on the computer of the president of the united states. of a federal judge or police chief or housewife. bill: it was described they know what you are thinking when you are typing it. we are told as far as security. terrorism is on the line here. they cited one example of a terrorist coming into new york city and they stopped him. what is it in 2018, is it your politics in your health, where does it stop?

>> because we believe we have human liberty that comes from our humanity and not the government, if we are going to give up certain liberty in returner to safety, i don't believe that's believe that's at works. we never had this debate. all of this comes as a surprise to us. fit comes as a surprise to members of congress that somehow bureaucrats in the executive branch are capturing the key strokes and recording the telephone conversations that half the country. the president night. the attorney general knew it. but if the rest of us didn't. if they want to take that freedom away from us. if we want to give up that freedom it should be a voluntarily surrender after a great national debate. bill: rand paul says he wants to take it to the supreme court. we'll see if he can get that. judge, thank you. andrew nepal towmartha: .

where do you fall on this? what do you think? how do you feel about the government being able to collect all of our data even if it's for a later date if they might night. sent us a tweet. this is a huge national conversation. if we are good with it and feel it's in our best interests in terms of security then we can vote for it. bill: the point he's making is we are having the debate after it's already happened. we have breaking news. afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a major assault near nato headquarters at the airport in kabul. there were 7 attackers said to be armed with rpgs and assault rifles.

two blew themselves up with suicide crests. the other shot and killed by american police. martha: the white house moving closer on whether to arm the rebels in syria. a decision could come as early as this week, all of this as the assad government forces are poised for a massive attack on the key city of hom. bill: the data being collected by your government. could it be used for political purposes? karl rove is live on that next. martha: the director of national intelligence telling citizens, don't worry, we couldn't read all your e-mails even if we wanted to. they could bore to us tears. but is that a big question? bill: four months ago he said it wasn't happening. bill: andrea dumps a foot of

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bill: there is a major cleanup in miami after serious flooding over the weekend. tropical storm andrea ... >> we are workers that live check by check every week. >> and you have lost a lot. >> lost a lot, yes. this is something i have never experienced before. and i don't know. i'm going to move out of miami. >> we are stuck with no power since last night. they say we have to shut it off because of security purposes.

bill: southern:florida. that storm -- southern florida, that storm dumped 15 inches of rain. there is nowhere to go. martha: there are questions about the nsa surveillance program and the massive amount of information the agent $i collects on millions of americans. democrats relied heavily on their own data mining projects and there are new concerns this information could be used for political purposes. here is catherine herridge on a story for "special report." >> reporter: with scandals like this many americans are questioning better it's open season on their personal data and there are questions about eric schmidt of google. the team who mastered the big

data still set is operating under a different name with financial support from schmidt. >> they can decide we want to target union members or tea party members or whoever we want. they take the information and combine it with another. martha: karl rove joins me now. karl, i know you said in terms of this nsa story that you are okay with it, you think it goes to the higher purpose of preventing terrorism. now i think everyone feels so vulnerable with all of their information in their lives now. when you look back at this hopration that was have much involved eric schmidt who was the ceo of google and now executive chairman of google. people feel exposed and don't want their information used in the wrong way. >> we need to recognize the

world relive in. for decades businesses have been using publicly available information. there are three sort of big pots of data out there. some comes from open and transparent institutions, increasingly our local governments. you pay a property tax as a publicly known item. the fact that you might have a hunting lie $sense is publicly known. in every state we know whether you are a registered voter and if you are a registered voter we know your sex, we know your age, we know where you live. so those pots of information have been available and used by businesses and political campaigns over the years. a second sourcef information is the data that institutions collector own. when you do business with a particular company over the internet, they own the data about your relationship with them. and that information has a value. some of that information is sold. we know what kind of a car you have directly from the public

records or from information collected from dealerships. martha: there is a fear it crosses over in what we have seen in the irs story. people say i started this tea party organization. the next thing i know somebody was looking at the serial numbers on my guns. where do it end in terms of the political implications in use much it, how easy is it to pry into the opposition's information. people just have to accept this is the world we live in. you have absolutely no privacy. is that what we are suppose to be okay with at this point? >> reporter: i'm not saying okay or not okay. but the reality is if somebody wants to get into your background there is a lot of information available about you publicly. it's been around for years. it's been around for decades. people are getting sophisticated at accessing it. i take that information in the

subject sphere and divorce it from what we know from what we know about the nsa. phone calls made from one number to another number on stuff a date. there is a large amount of information connected with that with hundreds of millions of phone calls a day. but what that's revealing for political purposes like the irs is of a much different magnitude. with the irs you had an applicant who was of a political persuasion because the name of their group or the charter of their organization depicted them as conservative. we had irs agents using that information to basically go after them. there is no such opportunity in the nsa information. we live in a world in which like it or not there is a lot of information available about every american household, our buying and its. our net worth. what we own, what we do, how we

think. social scientists like those can take that information and take it with public serving information depicted to draw a pretty good picture of who you are, what you think with what you think about, and how likely you are to be motivated to purchase their product or vote for their cause depending on whether it's commercial or political. martha: everything you think about, what you pull. you on the internet to read. all that information, every time you click on it. we need a huge reality check on how we do our business. karl, thank you very much. bill: at least we have a chance to talk about it before it happens. president obama says healthcare is hitting glitches as any new law will. but is it hitting more than just a few pumps in the road?

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martha: welcome back. the youngest victim of the boston marathon bombings is being honored today at a memorial on would've been his ninth birthday. little martin richard was one of three people killed in those attacks on april 15. his little sister lost her leg in the explosion. hundreds gathered around his family to pay their respects. >> the road to recovery has been long and difficult.

it has taken this long for everyone to be able to be here and be here comfortably speak to his father and mother was also injured in the attacks and they say that now they are just focusing on trying to heal as a family and we wish them all well. bill: president obama says his signature health care law is working. >> when you are implementing a program is large, there will be some glitches and hiccups. but no matter what, every single consumer will be covered by the new benefits and protections under this law permanently. bill: we have stephen moore, wall street journal writer. thank you for being with us. just some bumps in the road and hiccups. we have to expect that. what do you think that? >> i think calling these glitches is a little bit like the titanic saying that we just grazed the iceberg.

there are real problems here. i think the main ones are that the clocks are coming out way more expensive. the costs are coming out way more expensive. the other problem is once this is implemented, they're going to be lots of americans without health insurance. >> so you're saying that every promise is proven false? can we say that now? >> well, one of the hallmark promises, remember that if you like liked the insurance coverage that you have right now, you will not lose it. now we are learning that a lot of employers are putting people people into what they call the health care exchanges and a lot of americans are not going to like this more than the health insurance that they have right now. bill: is the fall of this year. just a few months away. where are we on the? >> that is a great question. a lot of chaos out there come we

have a number of states that set up the so-called exchanges and they are not ready to do it. the cost have tended to be higher than anyone expected. the question is i would answer that known. they are not ready. the program starts in january of next year and lord knows where they will get the money to pay for it that is one of the biggest glitches of all. obamacare is a big cross subsidy. young people that are relatively healthy are going to be subsidizing older people who are less healthy and a lot of young people say that i don't want to pay that cost. bill: when i was young i had no money and i felt that my health was really good. but listen, stephen, are we able

to smooth potholes in the road here? what is your anticipation? >> i actually think that this thing is becoming a part of the themes and i think that you're going to see potential in the next year and a half dead is not a repeal in the bill, a major review of how the pill works because the costs are out of control and nobody knows how they are going to implement it. don't forget that we didn't even talk about small businesses that say that they can't afford it and they are holding back. bill: stephen moore, thank you so much. martha: the obama administration trying to assure americans that the nsa situations on a big deal. they said they could read all your e-mails or look through your phone records even if they wanted to. we asked a former intelligence officer that was true. >> it is the new gold rush. guess where you can find a? on companies trying to extract

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martha: two key witnesses take the stand today in the bradley

manning court-martial case. he is charged with leaking more than 700,000 classified military documents to wiki leaks. the witnesses are apparently familiar with the 2009 video of a u.s. airstrike that killed at least 26 civilians. he is charged with 22 counts of espionage in this case. he faces more than 150 years in prison. if he is convicted. bill: national security agency, the nsa. the director james clapper trying to ease concerns of millions of americans worried about just how deep the government might be digging into their lives. >> everyone in the intelligence community are also citizens who also care very deeply about our privacy and civil liberties. i certainly do. the notion that we are trolling through everyone's e-mails and voyeuristically reading on or listening to everyone's phone calls is on its face absurd. we could not do it even if we

wanted to. >> speedy one. okay, thank you for joining us today. this is what eric clapper said three months ago. he said does the nsa collect any type of data at all on hundreds of millions of americans. no, sir, it does not. not willingly. there are cases where they could collect enough for me, but not willingly. what did he not know it was not being truthful? >> when you talk about targeted collection and just data collection, aggregated data collection. you're talking about putting on this data. if you have a probable cause to have a reason to go back and look for it. if you have the name of this, you want to see who he is talking to. if you had the name of the boston marathon suspects. need to have an ability to have that information so that you can find those patterns.

who has been communicating with hezbollah, who has been running us. the one i think that i'm with you. i think everyone is pretty cool with that. they are not cool with the fact that james told us on friday that this is a dragnet. everyone's information is being collected and stored in store for an indefinite time. how do you defend that? >> there are two ways that i think that this is important to understand. one is you don't know who the threats are. who is a priority. we had no idea that the fort hood shooter would be an american serviceman. we don't have a reason to have that information, so you end up having to collect everything. bill: in for ted, you know that the guy was on the website with criminal from yemen. >> that's exactly right. bill: martha's not on a website, i'm not on that website. >> that is right. as soon as you have a tip that

he's done something for me want to run his name through the database. if you haven't done that, you have no ability to do that. >> okay, fair example. let's take boston. the russians that this guy was in litigation with people in chechnya. why would we not pick up her know that? >> we should have followed that particular lead. but again, you have to run that through a database. it is this kind of information and we don't know that for a number or e-mail address is linked to that particular suspect. until such time as we have a reason to run that name. but if you haven't collected any of those historical records, you have no ability to do that. if you are e-mailing mark that about a soccer game that's going to be delayed, no one cares about that annoyance trying to find that message. but if you are e-mailing the other, people want to know about that. >> okay, the sands are shifting on this debate. i want to play a little clip from 2007 with the president. a clip from this past friday. both of these are about 35

seconds. >> the person from going to be one of president is call my attorney general and say to him or her that i want you to review every executive order that has been issued by george bush, whether it relates to wiretaps were detaining people or reading e-mails or whatever it is. >> i think it is important to recognize that you cannot have 100% security and also have 100% privacy and zero inconvenience. >> here is where the debate is going. if you are collecting the data and you are storing it in the states about terrorism in 2013, what is it in 2023? is it your health records, financial records, your political history? >> that is an absolutely legitimate question. so the authority that the

information is collected under has to do with intelligence information. so we have a system set up internal to the system to catch that. so this whistleblower has gone way outside of this chain of command to s really don't think that this is right. well, the intelligence committee in congress thought about it and said that it is right. obama is completely naïve and in 2007 he said that we don't need to do this. after being president for four years, he said well, actually there is a war on terror and we have to do these kinds of things. so again we have adults that have a system in place with checks and balances. i used to work on some programs that were domestic counterterrorism and then the speaker came out with a reinterpretation of the patriot act and they canceled the program that i was working on. okay. that is how the system works. we lost some good leads because of that. that is the system working. the system decided that while we were doing they did not want to have done. fair enough.

no problem and no argument that the what they're saying is if we don't collect the data today, the future when we need to be able to data mine, we have none. bill: i appreciate the fact you explain that. so many questions. we will bring them on later in the week. we are just at the very beginning of this debate. mike, thank you for your time. perhaps over time when we learn more about it, maybe we will feel that it was mischaracterized. but the e-mail showed otherwise. martha: so if the system works, anybody who is talking or downloading his videos all the time should have been somebody that had a trigger. if that was the case, it should have led them there because there were other issues we were concerned about. the point is not that they are doing all of this. the point is i think any american citizen, a law-abiding citizen is okay with it if there's evidence that appears to be working. bill: on the point about hassan

as well, there were other red flags. martha: than when he did do it when he did do it, they called it the workplace violence act. bill: and he's on the website. martha: which is a foreign website. a lot of big questions. okay, another group that has a lot of big questions. those are the people that will eventually judge this man. in the murder trial of george zimmerman. he looks very different these days. the entire case could last on one piece of audio evidence. the 911 call from trayvon martin new shot and killed. we are joined live next with a special guest. bill: and the miami heat beat the san antonio spurs. tying up the nba one game apiece. lebron james leaving miami at 10384 103 and 84

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bill: in berlin, germany, officials evacuated 10 different buildings. and weeks of heavy rain this spring housing 22 deaths, triggering widespread damage across germany, the czech republic, austria, also in the country of hungary.

martha: all right, jury selection is now underway in the second degree murder trial of florida neighborhood watch volunteer george zimmerman. he has pled not guilty in this case in the shooting death of trayvon martin. he is claiming self defense in this case. our judge joins us now. good to have you here, judge. >> thank you, martha. it is always a pleasure. martha: i want to start with the 911 audiotape. there has been so much discussion about who is calling for help on this tape. it is one of these two people, one is calling for help in the other is acting out of self defense. let's listen to it and i want to get your take on what the judge might do here. >> 911, do you need police fire and medical? >> may be medical, i'm not sure. there is someone screaming outside. i can't see him and i want to go out there, but i don't know what's going on.

bill: .background is very minimal. martha: what you think will happen? will he get them anywhere in deciding who is right? >> i think the most important thing is that it is the key and most important piece of evidence in this case. i believe the jury won't have the tools to deal with it. there are very few word fragments available to be analyzed and experts have said that -- the experts have said they were hired to testify that anyone who has an opinion of who that is, especially with the screaming voice compared to normal conversation is doing a disservice. my suspicion is that the jury will not get to hear the expert testimony on. the judge may allow the 911 call because it is a key piece of evidence. let the parents of george zimmerman testified as to it being their voice. how much that helps the jury, not much. because the jury is going to be

left without any extra testimony on the analysis of it. bill: you're saying each side will come in and say that's my clients going on that tape. martha: then you put it out there and you said and then let the jury decide to say whether or not there is anything definitive in it. i don't know where that leads us. if that does render that not useful, what is the next most useful piece of evidence you could have your? >> is the injuries to george zimmerman. he is claiming self defense. he has a broken nose and injuries to the back of his neck consistent with his stories. the jury is deciding whether this is trayvon martin was fearing for his life and trying to defend himself. so it is a tough case because they only have one version. they only have george zimmerman preview version and it makes it even harder if they are not able

to analyze the tape, assuming that the voice crying for help was trayvon martin. martha: how difficult do you think it will be to put together the jury in this case? we understand that there will be six jurors and four alternates and everybody has heard so much about this. >> just come in the key is not to find jurors who have not heard of the case. that were the case, you could never see the jury in the o.j. simpson case were similar high-profile cases. you need to find jurors who can set aside their preconceived notions and what they heard in the media. there are things reported in the media that were flat out untrue. so you have to find jurors that are willing to put that aside based on evidence presented in the case. harder to do when you have high racial tension. a lot of people won't want to participate. then he will have strong emotions and it will take some effort. martha: we saw three months later how this played out thank

you for joining us, judge we want the nsa is watching us, you know. this is a very busy monday. new details on that developing story on the nsa spying scandal now we know who is behind the leaks. what are the next legal steps and will this guy be prosecuted and that should he be. just what is the federal government up to when it comes to your personal data. we will get into all that. plus, are the media acting responsibly and reporting some weeks? also this, a ship lost for centuries found on the bottom of lake superior. amazing pictures to show you coming up. "america's newsroom". >> that's where this will happen next.

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martha: a tragic scene out of denver after a car crash into crashed into the side of the house collapsed a portion of the garage and killed the driver on impact. the car turned up in nearby road and drove over several curves before slamming into the side of this house. the homeowner, he was thankfully not injured and was in the shower at the time. bill: where is the next old rush? to u.s. companies working on a plan to mine asteroids for precious metals. our reporter has more.

life is getting so much buzz? >> it turns out that the big rocks up in outer space are worth a fortune. people see getting those rocks as a future of space exploration. their valuable metals like platinum. the idea is not necessarily to bring medals back to earth but to use them in the water and asteroids to shield even deeper space travel and one day perhaps colonies. a company here in the united states has developed what they call up the akron. in a couple of years they hope to take measurements by winning the spacecraft and determine which asteroids are eventually able to be mined. >> the next billionaires will be made in space. this is resources that are close to beyond comprehension how much material is out there. reporter: among the resources

includes several top names. bill: how can this be done? >> it is bizarre. the key will be moving into the earth's atmosphere and mining them at a reasonable cost. the mining would be done and the concept is 25 feet long, 500 tons. dragging it back to the atmosphere and the mining would be done by another spacecraft perhaps using magnets. another challenge has been storing and processing the water and metals all robotically. then there's the issue of who owns the stuff in space. >> looking at the treaties, no one is really sure who owns what or if anyone owns anything. reporter: eberly is star wars meets the gold rush in outer space. it is pretty bizarre. bill: let's see if they can pull it off and then we will go make

friends with any chili nurse. [laughter] martha: is a bombshell announcement from the man who says he is the one who could not remain silent. he leaked the nsa's surveillance program. coming up, details on why he did it and all of that coming up next

martha: it's a busy day. bill: it seems like we have stormed up a hornets nest.

martha: more and more agitated everyday. bill: have a great day. martha: "happening now" starts right now. we will see you back here tomorrow. >> brand-new stories and breaking news. the man that reveals the widespread government surveillance program. one powerful u.s. prosecutor wants them prosecuted. jenna: a major twist in the long-awaited murder trial of james whitey bulger. why defense attorneys are asking a judge to delay his opening statement. and the massive florida sinkhole that swallowed a man alive. authorities feel that another one could be developing. it is all "happening now"