everyday. bill: have a great day. martha: "happening now" starts right now. we will see you back here tomorrow. >> brand-new stories and breaking news. the man that reveals the widespread government surveillance program. one powerful u.s. prosecutor wants them prosecuted. jenna: a major twist in the long-awaited murder trial of james whitey bulger. why defense attorneys are asking a judge to delay his opening statement. and the massive florida sinkhole that swallowed a man alive. authorities feel that another one could be developing. it is all "happening now". jenna: with some are calling a

new blow to national security. a cia contractor in the name of protecting your privacy. we will hear a few different opinions on that today. i am generally and welcome to "happening now." jon: i am jon scott. the computer specialist who worked for the cia and the nsa now wanted by the usa for exposing top-secret surveillance programs. the director of national intelligence as the programs do not target americans. that editor but edward snowden says the programs are subject to abuse the. >> the storage capability of the system's increases every year by orders of magnitude to where it is getting to the point that you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody. even by a wrong call. then we can use the system to go

back in time and scrutinize every decision that has been made. jon: here's the latest information that we have about edward snowden. reportedly he checked out of his hong kong hotel room earlier today and he is facing extradition and prosecution and a lengthy jail sentence if convicted. for that reason, he says it is looking for a country that will grant him political asylum, possibly iceland. we have catherine herridge with us. what is the status of this case right now, catherine? >> this is in motion with a filing with former nsa officials who say they expect investigators to find out which documents the act fast and how how many leaks are yet to come. >> everyplace he has touched the system electronically will be available. terminals, accounts, e-mails. in the system and outside the system and any and all

information related to this content with reporters and journalists and others. jenna: of the nation's intelligence chief assessing the fallout of the leaks given by edward snowden. and that the intelligence community is reviewing the damage that has been done and any person rather security clearance knows that he or she has an obligation to protect classified information and abide by the law. the former employer says that he worked for the firm less than three months and he called the reports shocking if he is in fact the leaker. and a lawmaker in iceland is an advocate for them freedom and talked about the situations situation in. jon: what we know about his motivation? jenna: they said that he was

able to see ca offices overseas, the identity of covert access, and this was possible because he was assistant administrator. >> you see things that may be disturbing. but over the course of a normal person's career can only see one or two instances. when you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis and recognize that some of these things are actually abusive. jenna: there will be a briefing by the nsa according to lawmakers about the programs on tuesday. >> the intel committee gets briefed, but the full content is not. that is why we have a question to be briefed tomorrow and we will have a number of individuals coming down. we want them to walk through the entire congress members of what is going on. jenna: the architects of the patriot act are weighing in. the claim that authorities said through the details of our private lives. i disagree, i looked at the

patriot act. lawmakers argue that it has not been abused but have successfully disrupted things in last seven years. jon: what a story. thank you so much. jenna: next, the extradition and prosecution. you know congressman peter king is a member of the homeland security committee and chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence. this is a matter of extraordinary consequence to american intelligence. this man coming forward. what is the consequence? >> there are two major consequences. one is al qaeda and its affiliates. and what message we have in place. communications are monitoring them. secondly, it will make it difficult for us to get companies and private companies to work with us. i would say it's one of the

worst blows for american intelligence in a very long time. another thing is if this ever gets disclosed, it will be a private disclosure. jenna: we have talked about how many hundreds of private contractors are working with us. >> there are companies that are working with the nsa and that has been mentioned. those type of companies. >> so that type of cooperation is crucial? >> just. >> some argue what we are doing is a way to keep us safe. others may argue that this is a way that terrorists are actually winning because it is terror that is making us justify a look into private lives of individuals that is of actually carrying out what america is all about. our government is becoming so intrusive on private lives.

what you would you say that? >> obviously we have privacy concerns, but it is under court supervision and phone numbers and the duration of this can be collected. listen in on calls, no one's going to be monitoring the people and less is between terrorist connections. but with you and i making a phone call, no one can listen to that, certainly no one in government can. so in the event that tears phone numbers, anyone see who you're talking to. >> she said that she could see way more than what he would be able to. >> he has made several exaggerations and he could tap the president's phone conversations. there was no legal authority and he couldn't do it speak to this issue comes up quite a bit. we had one whistleblower just last hour talking to bill hemmer about surveillance. let's take a listen to that. >> what we have to fear about that? anime, washington says we are

looking for terrorists. what's wrong with that? >> they keep going that strongman out of the closet and holding it up as a reason why they need all of this extraordinary power and power by the way they conduct in secret with very little public discourse. i think that we should be afraid what the government is doing behind closed doors. they are doing it under the guise of keeping us safe. do we really want to trust the government. >> the director of national intelligence is that it would be impossible to look at the content of the e-mails and phone conversations. so why should we trust the government if you have these capabilities. why should we trust that what will be done as the best interest at heart. >> that is why there is courts and the administration and you have the congress. 9/11 was no strongman.

it would've killed hundreds and hundreds of new yorkers and that was detected in the system. these are real threats to our country and i think the privacy concerns are addressed by having the court monitor this remark so in your mind the means justify the end. >> no one is listening in on your conversations are mine. these are the durations of the call. jenna: what is next in august? >> the next thing will be the briefing that is held tomorrow. most of it i have probably heard among the intelligence committee. they could've gotten a briefing whenever they wanted to. it was just reauthorized again, the patriot act will be reauthorized. people are so excited and they just won't always paying attention. jenna: because there has been so many candles over the last two weeks, the irs scandal, the doj, you have this about the intrusion into private lives and there seems to be a big crisis

of confidence regardless of what party you are wet. about whether or not our government does this. that is a question that a lot of reviewers have. >> i would say the nsa has been protected. we have not been attacked in 11 years largely because of the measures that we put in place after september 11 under president bush than under president obama. the irs, there is no closer version. this plan is monitored by the courts every three months and have to be reauthorized by the courts. jenna: we look forward to having you back. thank you so much. >> he was so clear and salacious with everything else. he seemed like a person on a mission. he just turned and looked at me

and the next thing that i knew, class was shattering on the passenger side. jon: that woman describing her frightening encounter with john zawahri. she was shot four times when she tried to stop the suspect from shooting another woman. police say that john zawahri killed his father and brother before hijacking a car and opening fire on a city bus and people on the street. he then ran into the library at the santa monica city college where police killed him. adam is at the school where police are returning today and what is the mood like there now? reporter: that's right, the body of john zawahri, you can still see where the body laid for a number of dollars as the investigation continued on friday. as for today, the school is closed for the entire weekend,

as you might imagine. students are coming back this morning. finals are resuming. they have a chance to get their cars and their backpacks and their cell phones and wallets. many of them were left at this location when they fled. gunfire was really hitting in all directions and being fired at. if john zawahri have fired off every single one of them, there would've been 1300 rounds fired. jon: the death toll rose over the weekend, i understand. >> yes, that is true. he did kill his father and brother first. there were six dead in a shooting rampage. five victims, a father and brother were the first two and a woman was shot dead outside the library. i need has not yet been released and we also heard more about the father and daughter where i'm standing. the father was a groundskeeper here and his daughter was an individual who died over the weekend due to her injuries. she was here on friday.

she was here to buy books. they say that they were best friends. take a listen. >> my husband is a very wonderful husband. she was a wonderful individual. >> there will be grief counselors here monday through friday available for all students. people knew some of the victims, of course. also there is a big candlelight vigil at 9:00 o'clock local time to remember those that were lost in this horrible gun battle. >> adam, thank you so much. jenna: in the meantime, a new twist in the trial of whitey bolger. why his lawyers wanted to do their own investigation of this witness. also our coverage of the nsa

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jenna: a look at some crime stories we are working on. a connection between three mysterious deaths in the same hotel room only weeks apart. the latest is this weekend when an 11-year-old boy was found dead and his mother was hurt. also environmental activist erin vaskevitch arrested after suspected boating while intoxicated. and whitey bulger. his lawyers are talking about a star witness who has returned to

a life of crime. jon: back not to the national security agency scandal. edward snowden, who had access to a wide range of document says otherwise. we have a managing editor for the shell. candidate obama back in 2007 was railing about wiretaps and that sort of things from the bush administration and now he is the guy at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. he seems to have a different approach. >> that is right. this is a delicate situation. edward snowden is saying that the president did not keep his promises that he made on the campaign trail not his wife has

gone public. edward snowden is very media savvy. of course u.s. government has to go after him because he broke the law. politically this is going to be a delicate line. how the administration handles it is going to be a tricky situation. jon: we know that just these developments, essentially the government can look at every keystroke of every internet communication and every search with every american if it wants to. does the president come out and defend our? >> well, i think this is the problem for the president. just last week he was saying that this this does not affect everyday americans. and edward snowden is saying that that's wrong. saying that the u.s. government collects more more information each year. edward snowden is kind of a cult hero on factions of the left and right. he has gone public. so this manhunt now for him and dragging him away does reflect poorly on the white house, even

though you know, president obama does have support from congress, including peking was just on her show saying that we need to go after him. but how the president, whether he mentioned edward snowden by name, i think it's going to be challenging and challenge for the white house pr show. >> some interesting political bedfellows been made. but the president and others aren't always happy about government snooping. and if you defend this country alienate his supporters, doesn't he? >> yes, it is growing very frustrating. there have always been queens out there that obama is like george w. bush because he kept a lot of it is anti-terrorism measures. but more and more people are saying that there is a similarity comparison between president obama and george w. bush. of course the obama white house does not like that. so this is -- this is a tough

spot for the white house. but how they go forward with the hunt for edward snowden and the prosecution. china in all likelihood is probably going to win them over. >> a potentially good news is that the irs scandal, benghazi, all of those other cases have been pushed to the back burner at least in the newspapers. >> yes, for the moment anyway. jon: thank you, bob. jenna: do you remember this? the massive florida sinkhole that swallowed a man in his own bedroom suddenly. engineers now fear another sinkhole could be growing under a restaurant miles away. we have a live report coming up next. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it.

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jenna: a new danger of a sinkhole in florida. just a few miles from another one that swallowed a man alive. a reporter is live. >> we are following this very carefully this morning. workers, patrons, folks that live nearby the bob evans restaurant in florida. they are understandably nervous this morning. numerous cracks were located in the building over the weekend and across the restaurant to be evacuated. the busy breakfast hour was about to begin. the cracks were found in the walls come on the floor, and on the ground outside and you can see some of them right there. all of those lead engineers to believe that a sinkhole could be causing that building to break apart. >> there wasn't any problem there until we saw these cracks. >> is very unnerving and very

concerning. >> the restaurant is being inspected to make sure that they are on solid ground and safe. jeff bush was asleep in his bed in february when he was swallowed up by sinkhole. his body was never recovered and that house later had to be raised. there was a lot of rain in the area. remember last week's tropical storm andrea. it could be to blame because water can apparently triggered the sinkhole is and we will keep watching this for any developments. understandable that a lot of folks are nervous about this this morning. jenna: that is scary. anyway to prevent it is good. those engineers hard at work. jon: government snooping. new fallout about the nsa surveillance program has members of both political parties talk about civil liberties. senator rand paul is leading the

outcry and is beginning to sound more like libertarian than republican or democrat. chief political correspondent karl cameron is live with more on this. it has united people of all political stripes. >> or two yes, conservatives and liberals in both parties acknowledging that they have babies a more libertarian sensibilities than some of the more established republicans and democrats were defending the government's collection of particularly private phone records. the nsa's massive collection of phone records has pretty much turned key party conservatives and liberals do the same sort of opposition. the obama administration is undermining liberty and the bill of rights. yesterday rand paul was on fox news sunday and he talked about it. we also spoke to former two-time presidential candidate and noted liberal dennis kucinich. listen to their point. >> the fourth amendment says that you have to look at and you

can ask for a one for a specific person or place with the items. this is a general warning. this is what we objected to and what our founding fathers talked about. we can go from house to house looking for things or now from computer to computer without specifying who you're targeting. >> we have an expectation of privacy. someone will say that there is no legal right to privacy but in a democracy you have an expectation of privacy that government will stay out of your bedroom. they will stay out of your bank account and medical records. your educational records. once the patriot act was passed, they pierce the shield of protection. reporter: now you have democrats and republicans saying that the programs have been valuable and they have helped the word terrorist attacks.

so the possibilities of changing the legislation are very much open. but at this point the president and congressional leaders are saying that they are in favor of these types of programs continuing. jon: what her critics posted to? >> business records do not necessarily have a reasonable expectation of privacy. the heads of the intelligence committee said they are defending all of this. rand paul said yesterday he is going to the grassroots. >> and invade their privacy and i'm going to be saying that i can challenge this and i will be asking all the internet providers and all the phone companies and asking those who

join me in a class action lawsuit. we get 10 million americans saying that we don't want a phone records look back, then maybe someone will wake up and say things will change in washington. >> when you text, subscribe, get an e-mail they keep that data and the user. there is a lot of political expectations here. both of these parties are choosing sides security versus liberty and what will be hearings for months on how to protect liberty and security the same time. >> some interesting questions to be answered ahead. karl cameron, thank you. jenna: oneness. the man behind one of the biggest intelligence leaks in america's history. a hero by some, criminal by others. should he be prosecuted? the big question today. our legal panel weighs in in just moments. and much of the east coast bracing for more flooding.

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jenna: let's check in on the weather and another round of heavy rain threatening the east coast today just days after florida found itself under several inches of water. flood watch is now in effect and maria molina has more.

you have an up close and personal look. >> that is right. especially on friday in parts of fort lauderdale and miami. someone taking a bucket of water, pouring it over your head. that was the story throughout the entire day for hours and hours of very heavy rain. one hard-hit area and coastal area really dealing with this. it's very unfortunate and now we have a brand-new storm system that yet again is producing another threat for flooding. this time around south florida does not seem to be getting this weather. all the way up the east coast into sections of new england. dealing with areas of heavy rain, seeing this moving on then. some of these areas where we have the yellow and orange and red shading, that is where they are talking about upwards of 2 inches of rain.

some areas could get 4 inches of rain and more. flooding concern not just because of how much rain we are getting from the system but because tropical storm andrea brought this and flood watches are in effect. take a look at this, a slight chance that some of the brain could come in the form of thunderstorms that could actually produce severe weather in parts of the atlantic and carolinas. you could be looking at damaging wind gusts in excess of 60 miles per hour and even large large-size hail from some of these storms. not as flooding, but a little bit of severe weather as well be one crazy weather. maria molina, thank you. back to our top story. a former cia contractor who says that he is the source of the leak that revealed government's top-secret surveillance programs. a stunning admission sparking a big debate over whether edward snowden is a hero or a criminal.

>> it targets foreign persons on foreign lands and putting just enough out there to be dangerous. it is dangerous to us. it is dangerous to our national security. it violates the oath that that person took and i absolutely think that they should be prosecuted. jon: we have two guests here to former prosecutor and a former defense attorney. hero or criminal? >> you know, i can see it both ways. right off the bat, what is going on is an outrage. it is ridiculous. i mean, we have people all over the country, both sides of the aisle saying enough is enough. we are turning into exactly what we were afraid of 250 years ago. but with that being said, the thing that is scary is he took an oath of national defense that relies on the oath. as much as i hate it, i still have to prosecute them, that is what i would do. jon: what do you think, hero or

criminal? >> it's very difficult to say. if you take a look at past history, there was an individual that show that the government is watching every single aspect of our lives. traveling, social media, e-mails, the justice department whistleblower show that the nsa was hiding activity from federal judges are supposed to be watching this search warrant. i see this as good and bad. people like this show that they are overreaching and abusing our processes. without these people, we would not know that the government is operating in this way. jon: he said he is willing to accept any other punishment that is due to him. he says he understands the consequences of what he has done. so clearly he is interested in escaping punishment when he talks about asylum. but what is the level of punishment that could be handed out at this? >> the sky is the limit. that is what is so bad.

when you look at what he did. he looked at himself no different than a navy s.e.a.l. he is out there to protect the country and he thinks what has gone on is a travesty of justice and he's trying to say that he sees himself as the person that is doing what is right for this country. a lot of people are agreeing with him right now. but with that being said, the sky's the limit. he could be with bradley manning and we can never tell. that is what is really scary about this guy. that is why he is in hong kong to wander or espionage cases in the nation's history were spies have been executed. according to the research that was done, this is not a death penalty case. >> that's right. i do not think so. going back to prior examples of whistleblowing, there have not been any kind of clear show and the danger of code and jim covert operatives. the one he says that he had access to that stuff if heber two-handed thumb drive over to a

foreign intelligence service. what about that? >> with that happening we've actually at that point in time be different. but at this point in time, that is not in evidence. there's nothing yet to show that he harmed. but that would be extremely extreme. >> what about extradition agreement is in hong kong, are so we understand. can the u.s. government and their? >> well, the thing about about hong kong, even noticed how to china, it does have its own kind of independent government in some ways in hong kong is known throughout the world as a place that really kind of holds true to free speech like we do. although it doesn't seem like we do anymore. but with that being said, they are going to make it hard. that's why we went there. that is why he is holed up at the hotel right now. he knows that hong kong is the safest place right now in the world for him. so it's going to be cut.

but america indicate that it's kind of scary. we will get this guy. >> we understand he is kept checked out of the hotel. we will see. i am sure that he has exports if that is the case. thank you both. jenna: like a display of skill at a recent airshow. you're looking at one of the helicopters performing some death defying stunts in front of a huge crowd. we will tell you more about this coming out. and reports of the white house is nearing a decision on arming rebels in syria. the fighting there intensifies. is it too late for any intervention to be affected? the big question that we will tackle coming up next. [ male a] erica had a rough day. there was this and this. she got a parking ticket... ♪ and she forgot to pay her credit card bill on time. is the citi simplicity card.

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jon: a chopper pilot showing off his flying skills at a airshow in england. take a look at this. well, we have spoil the joke already. prince harry behind the controls. he is captain royal as he is known in the air force, surprising the crowd as a copilot in some death-defying helicopter stunts. he joined the military in 2005 includes apache helicopters in afghanistan. the british ministry named him best front seat pilot last year in his class of more than 20.

jenna: the obama administration is considering taking action of the civil war in syria intensified at the white house is reportedly days away from a decision on aiding rebels in their battle against government troops. we have heard this before and we know that you have as well. is now the time to act. joining us now is vice president of research of democracy now. what about this? by now? >> well, right now we have hit an inflection point in syria. the battle that was just lost by the rebels is what i believe is a turning point in this water. jenna: okay, let me start stop you there. that is very important intersection in syria. why is it crucial? >> is on the northeast corner of lebanon that it is basically somewhere right in the middle of the mediterranean court in damascus. it is a crucial supply line that the rebels held for several weeks and it was just backed by forces. so it has cleared the way to go

back and forth between the mediterranean and damascus. so it was a crucial battle. the way that bashar al-assad one it was by deploying his troops as well as iranian troops and it has become very clear now that iran and syria and hezbollah are all doing battles and playing for keeps in syria. so this is a major turning point. >> you've done a lot of research on hezbollah. as well as what this group has done over the years. if they are fighting on the side of bashar al-assad, some will say let the terrorist groups fight each other. let's not get involved. what do you think about that? >> well, it is sort of like the iran-iraq war of the 1980s. something like alien versus predator. we should just sit back and enjoy the fight. at the end of the day, somebody has to win.

that is what is deeply concerning to all of us here in the west as well as to the israelis. the jordanians allow them the concern that one of the other of these will come out ahead. >> what's a little bit bigger. he said that if bashar al-assad is able to maintain power, what does that mean for this entire year. with the new administration, if you well. the nuclear program. what is the 6000 view what does that mean for the region if that is the case? >> well, if bashar al-assad is able to maintain power in syria, it means that the iranian access has one and they are able to project strength throughout the region and bacon provide huge amounts of weaponry and cash and it means that they will be more

likely to extend the sanctions that we have imposed against them and project strength in other parts of the region. the other concern we have is that hezbollah, which has been fighting in syria will be able to return home to lebanon where they have 60,000 rockets currently trained south and if there is a possibility we could see some conflict there as well. >> is it too late for our intervention with those good guys? >> are not too many good guys. i don't think that it's too late. i still think there's an opportunity here that i think the administration is right to be looking at this as a window that we have to intervene in a deadly conflict. >> jonathan, thank you so much. jon: what you need to know about childhood concussions. especially if your kid severs more than one. and why many concussions go untreated. plus, the government in one state wants to look into the kitchen cupboards and other states might follow suit.

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jon: way back in 1963 the united states put into law the equal pay act and the president is in the eastern rim of the white house celebrating the 50th anniversary of that. jenna: lawmakers cutting down on junk food. mike is live with a look at the stories that is right, how about

government putting restrictions on the food in your kitchen cupboard? well, lawmakers say the rules are different. reporter: this woman buys food for her kids and pays for groceries with her food stamp card. >> a lot of people that use their cards for food. reporter: dean calvert is trying to change that. the bill would mandate two thirds of the groceries bought with government assistance and food items like vegetables and milk. only one third could buy treats and soda and chips. >> obesity, juvenile diabetes, those things that transpired because people are not eating healthy, they end up giving government assistance through the medical program. reporter: that this is a bill that would invite big government and target the poor.

and government would get a new burden of defining what constitutes healthy food. >> nationwide we are trying to reduce the role of government. so then it seems contrary to what we are trying to do. reporter: however, lucretia harris think it's fair other states have tried to modify the program in the past. what the representative wants is a waiver from the federal government so wisconsin can implement its own restrictions and he believes blaze a trail but the rest of the nation can follow. >> did you hear the shouting to the television? [laughter] jenna: i do as well sometimes, it is weird. thank you, mike. jon: new fallout as the nsa leakers steps out of the shadows. why he said he did it and how the president plans to hinder

handle this latest scandal coming up in a live report. and a frightening moment at the french open. a masked man like a flare. we have the very latest on what this is all about. good news for the u.s. economy. s&p 500 raises its credit outlook from negative to stable. we will have that next.

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out of the shadows. hi, everybody, glad you're with us, i'm jenna lee. jon: welcome to the second hour of "happening now," i'm jon scott. edward snowden is his name, saying he leaked classified documents about sweeping u.s. surveillance capabilities including bombshells about top secret programs to collect the phone regards and e-mails of most americans. snowden last known to be hiding out in hong kong, hoping to get asylum there. and while he says he knows he faces risks because of his disclosure, he tells "the guardian" why he felt he had to come forward and release the information. we'll get to that in a bit. chief white house correspondent ed henry live with the story. ed, for administration officials how big a threat to national security do they consider this? >> reporter: well, jon, you remember the president when i was with him in california on friday morning was very direct in saying this was doing grave harm to american national security.

i talked to a lot of top officials over the weekend who reiterated that as this was all playing out. look at this statement that came in last night from the spokesperson of the director of national intelligence office. quote: >> r eporter: that last apartment, abide by the law, a very direct effort to the fact that this administration plans to prosecute if they can prove it. he's come forward to say he leaked all this but, obviously, it needs to be checked out to make sure he, in fact, is the source. you can expect a major clash here in the days ahead, jon. jon: not yet heard from the white house directly on this whistleblower outing himself, right? why not? >> reporter: well, that's going to be a question that jay carney will be getting at the daily briefing here shortly. the president did speak out on friday, but you'll note that yesterday as he headed back from california, white house aides aboard air force one, as all

this was playing out, snowden was playing forward, they did not want to weigh in or speak out. it was interesting because earlier today the former republican attorney general mike mukasey suggested on fox that he believes there's been sort of a double standard where there have been other leaks from the administration that made the president look good that have not been prosecuted, and that may make it a little more difficult for the administration now to push forward on some of these other leak investigations when it looks like they've looked away other times. this is going to be something that is going to put great pressure on the president in the days ahead, jon. jon: interesting to watch. ed henry at the white house, thank you. jenna: well, now to another scandal we're watching, a fiery exchange on the irs scandal and a key house committee investigation that's targeting -- or investigating that, whether or not there was a targeting of conservative groups. this investigation continues, and because of that there's a lot of really strong opinions. a maryland congressman, elijiah cummings, is firing back at

claims by darrell issa of california that the targeting came from washington, d.c. and did not originate from the office in cincinnati. that's something we've heard quite a bit about. mike emanuel continues to follow this developing story. a bit of a war of words. just catch us up, where are we right now with this investigates, and what do these folks have to say? >> reporter: they seemed to be on the same page last thursday at a lengthy hearing, but some of this flare-up started when elijiah cummings suggested we know exactly what happened at the irs. >> based upon everything i've seen, the case is solved. and if it were me, i would wrap this case up and move on, to be frank with you. in other words, the irs, by the way, the ig made recommendations, those recommendations are being adopted by the irs. we've got a new commissioner in -- >> right, right. >> danny wore fell, doing a great job. i think we're in great shape. >> reporter: to that chairman

issa responded he strongly disagrees with cummings' assertion about the targeting of conservative groups and about cummings, quote: >> r eporter: jenna? jenna: some also disagree with cummings in that this is a big sign of government that has just gotten too big itself. what about that side of the argument, that this is just the piece of a larger puss l? >> reporter: right, jenna. some conservatives say the irs, nsa and more suggest government has gotten way too involved in all of our lives. >> it really makes people distrust their government even more when they're seeing the irs being used to go after political opponents. but this much power is too much power to give any government, i don't care whether it's democrat or republican. i don't want that much power in the hands of a president, and i think it's very, very worrisome. >> reporter: and that is why some conservatives don't like the fact that the irs will be

enforcing the president's health care law and say it's time to strip the tax collection agency, the irs, of some of its power. jenna: the debate continues. mike, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. jon: now this fox news alert and former south african president nelson mandela is spending a third day in a hospital in pretoria. the 94-year-old anti-apartheid leader battling a lung infection as the nation prays for his recovery. greg talcott is live from london with more. >> reporter: hey, jon. the latest word we're getting regarding the condition of nelson mandela from a government spokesperson is really no word, no change reported in the condition of nelson mandela. and that maybe is not good news. he was brought into the intensive care unit of a private hospital in pretoria, south africa, early saturday morning, treated for that recurring lung infection. at the time his condition was described as serious but stable. the only positive sign that we've been hearing through the

weekend was that he was breathing on his own. he had been getting full medical care at his home, but things got worse. this is the fourth time in the last seven month that is the 94-year-old former south african president has been in the hospital. now, he had contracted tuberculosis during an extended time in prison under the white-led government, and he has been treated for pneumonia in the past, but we're getting no specifics about what is wrong right now. we are watching on video various people going in there, his wife, his ex-wife,womenny, just --womenny, just about two hours ago, daughters. one daughter flew from from argentina, a sign of gravity as for the current president of south africa, he says that he will visit at the appropriate time. that has not been specified. basically, according to people that we've been talking to down in south africa, the mood is shifting possibly from hope to resignation. there have been prayers and services over the weekend. the word from another longtime friend of mandela picked up by

at least one newspaper: it is time to let him go. still, south africa is facing a host of challenges, and so the people don't seem to want to let him go at this moment. they don't want to say good-bye. another statement from another friend of nelson mandela, another major anti-apartheid leader, archbishop desmond tutu. his words: we offer thanks to god for the extraordinary gift of mr. mandela. we wish his family strength as does the entire world. jon, back to you. jon: a man who has literally changed the world in his 94 years. greg talcott, thanks. jenna: new fears today about the security of america's top secret intelligence in the wake of this stunning leak where a cia contractor who was not a high ranking security official had access to classified information about surveillance programs. the information he disclosed, who else has access to our top secret intelligence in what about all these different contractors? are they helping us?

are they hurting us? we're going to go in depth os than. also new studies citing danger on the football field and the high number of concussions that are missed. why this poses such a risk for young players. you may be surprised about how long you need to recover from just one concussion. we'll have our er doc here, and he's going to weigh in with us just ahead. ♪

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>> now, increasingly we see that is happening domestically. and to do that, they, the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. it ingests them by default. it collects them in its system, and it filters them and analyzes them and measures them and stores them for periods of time. jenna: some extraordinary detail from nsa leaker edward snowden telling "the guardian identities " about the scope of the program. still, he had access to all that

classified material raising new questions about the security of our nation's secrets. according to the office of the director of national intelligence, nearly five million people hold government or military security clearance with 1.4 million having access to top secret material. and there's a whole lot of that kind of information out there. "the washington post" reports that since 9/11 there are more than 30 secure complexes constructed just to hold the classified intelligence in the washington area. they occupy, get this, the equivalent of almost three pentagons, that's how big they are. and is nearly 2,000 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, related to homeland security, related to intelligence. and about 10,000 locations across the country. joining us now, mike baker, former cia covert officer. just to be clear, mike, because when i say global intelligence and security firm, all of a sudden i'm wondering what category you fall in.

are you one of the government contractors? >> no, we're not. we don't do any federal marketing. we made a decision a while back, quite a while back not to chase government contracts. so all our work is in the private sector. jenna: okay. i just want to be clear on that because we draw upon your experience so much in this area. take us in a little bit. how important are these contractors that are working on our national intelligence and have some of these clearances that give them access to classified information? >> right. well, i mean, the contractors that provide the support whether it's technical support or, you know, any other assistance, you know, they're very important overall because they're a force multiplier. we just don't have the intel community and the others involved in national security, homeland defense, we just don't have enough people internally, you know, as staffers, government employees, to do the work that needs to be done particularly when you're talking about, again, on the technology side. the interesting thing here with

this, with edward snowden is people say, well, how did somebody like this, a low-level i.t. person, a low-level computer maintenance guy, how did he have access to all this information? the interesting point here is that since 9/11, you know, with that human cry to say you guys have to talk more to each other -- meaning the intel community, law enforcement -- you have to share information, you have to talk, that was the mantra that you create a system where now sharing over the last decade plus, the sharing of that information is more important than the protection and compartmentalization of that information. and that's what's created the opportunity for these individuals whether it's bradley manning or whether now it's snowden, to have access to very large, large pots of information to be able to if they make that decision, to walk it out the door. jenna: you know the argument for that, mike, one of the reasons 9/11 happened was because there wasn't that sharing going on. and that, actually, is a huge danger, some suggest, to our

national security. now, the argument against that is big government and whether or not we want to share all this and have all these different agencies and all these different contractors and whether or not quantity equals quality. so when you say this is a force multiplier where these contractors are important, are you arguing for big government for our national security? >> well, no. what i'm saying, because i agree with you. i'm very concerned with this notion of overreach. i understand why people are on, you know, the surface upset about the fact that nsa is apparently collecting on millions of people, far beyond what the business records' aspect of the patriot act would imply. i understand what people would look at what snowden is doing with this information and saying, well, i applaud that because i think we need to expose what the government's doing. i understand all that. you can't have one without the other. it's like the connection between privacy and security. more security means less

privacy, more privacy means less security. jenna: does it have to? >> well, it has to, yes. even president obama who when he was taking, you know, swings at the bush administration in the early days as he was running for office, he talked about this false ideal between, you know, less security -- less privacy for more security. well, he's come full circle now, and in recent years he's talked about how in the wake of the nsa disclosures, about how, well, you know, we have to give up certain privacy issues for maintaining security. so he's come full circle on it. but if you create a system where you're saying the sharing of information is the key, that's the holy grail, all that sharing of information by definition what you're doing is you're creating far more people, you're developing the access for far more people to be able to get to that information. that's just the way it's going to work. so what i'm saying, it's a reality. jenna: let me ask you this final question because some of the things instantly provoke a lot of fear. one of these things he said was

if i wanted to see your e-mails or wife's phone, all i have to do with use intercepts. i can get your passwords, credit cards. he goes on to say you will never be safe, whatever protections you put in place. respond directly to that again, off your expertise, how safe are we right now? how safe is our privacy today? >> right. that's a great question. and it really does need to be, you know, front and center in the all of this. you're always going to have an individual like a snowden. now, snowden is overblowing his access and his importance, right? he's not lex luthor, he's not my children's favorite villain. but he was able to access the information, again, like a bradley manning because of the structure we've set up. now, can that be abused in a bigger way because the government continues to expand its ability to get information? well, yes. what's the answer? well, the answer is, you know, exacting congressional

oversight, making sure that that's where we have the controls over how the government grows and what they're able to do. it's not applauding a leaker. you know, snowden, just like anybody else who signs a paper saying, you know, they're going to have access to classified information, if they leak that information, they need to be punished. so i want to be clear on that. jenna: sure. >> i'm not, you know -- jenna: it sets us up for a broader conversation, mike, and when you talk about congressional oversight now with everything that's happened over the last few weeks, a lot of viewers are saying, wait a minute, can i trust the lawmakers too? what about them? there certainly is a crisis of confidence that's happening that bears a larger conversation. in the meantime, thank you so much for your expertise. it's always great to see you. >> thank you. jon: and more on this ahead including this question: blaming the messenger, why the director of national intelligence thinks the media are getting the scandal over the nsa snooping story wrong. our news watch panel weighs in on that. and remember this from

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down. julie banderas is live with your 411. >> yeah. this kid just can't seem to win, but maybe he should stop throwing out the f-bomb and ordering his goons allegedly to physically accost any photographer who gets in his way. one of those photogs is suing, and will someone please tell justin bieber when there's paparazzi around, most likely someone's camera is rolling. does he not watch tmz? listen as bieber instructs his guards to take the photog's camera. >> don't take it, please. >> all right, all right. we're going to give you your camera back. >> reporter: justin, by the way, that's stealing. anyway, turns out the photog filed a police report and says bieber masterminded an attack

against him outside a recording studio in miami last week. and the photographer who insists he's not a paparazzo has now launched a lawsuit against bieber and his bodyguard. i read the police report in which he's accused of throwing him against the wall, grabbing him by the throat and brandishing a gun under his shirt. then he says the other body guards took the sim card. his client sustained mental anguish and has accrued medical expenses and says in a statement: >> r eporter: bieber's campaign of violent behavior must end, and he should take responsibility for his actions, end quote. and i thought i was a troubled teen at 19. i got nothing on bieber. by the way, he and his bodyguards, meanwhile, have been involve inside four similar instances. so far no comment.

jenna: but we'd love to hear more about you at 19. the next report, maybe? >> reporter: no, you don't. no police reports. i like today sneak off the house when my parents were sleeping. jenna: and you didn't have paparazzi chasing you. >> no, i didn't. jenna: julie, thank you. jon: learn something new every day. [laughter] right now warnings about a scam, gerri willis is anchor of "the willis report." what about this scam, gerri? tell us. >> you remember that old ad, i've fallen down, and i can't get up? scammers are calling seniors telling them someone has signed them up for free medical alert system that would allow them to be alerted or to tell emergency services that they're in trouble. the real trouble is, though, this is a scam. they're just frying to bilk these seniors out of $35 a month or worse, steal their security

data. jon? jon: so how much money are they actually getting from these poor folks? >> they're getting about $3 billion a year, and that's the documented number. but the reality is that seniors don't want to report most of this. they only report about 4% of their losses, 1 in 25 report this kind of crime because they're embarrassed. so it's heavily underreported. you need to talk to grandma or mom and dad and let 'em know what's going on. jon: we heard about jenna's grandmother getting scammed last week. we're taking care of that. you've got a relaunch coming up, tell us about that. >> that's right, jon. we're turning to consumer, your home, your health, whether you're spending or saving, we're helping you get more for your money. hey, live better, spend less. jon: that sounds good. gerri willis from the "the willis report," thank you. jenna: i'll take both of those things. i like that. the nsa leak story is generate

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jon: the media under fire with the nsa leak story. james clapper saying that these news organizations did not act responsibly when reporting the secret surveillance program. he sat down for an interview with nbc news in which he described the damage done. >> we are having this debate and discussion and all of this media exposure, which supports transparency and is a great thing in this country. at the same transparency is a double-edged sword. our adversary, whether nefarious groups were otherwise, they are going to school and learning how we do this. i think a lot of what people are seeing in the media is a lot of hyperbole. jon: let's talk about those

comments. jim pickering is a writer for the american conservator magazine and alan colmes. so what do you both think about what he had to say there? is transparency too much transparency, especially in media? >> i do think it's bad, that's why they kept it a secret. if this program were so great, the one we are talking about, then why didn't they catch the underwear bomber in detroit in 2009 been portrayed. you have to wonder exactly what they are looking for is a as they go through all the phone calls and e-mails. jon: they say that they have stopped terror plots. is it a risk worth taking?

>> many think they want transparency and then they are upset when it comes out. but in 2005 on december 16, "the new york times" reported that it made the papers and "washington post" in 2010. a bunch of whistleblowers spoke out so this is not brand-new information. if you are a terrorist and you don't know that this is going on, nevermind being able to commit an act against the united states. >> so you think this is an old story? >> yes, to some it is an old story. >> a lot of information came out other than a story here or there. other than that, it barely got this. >> since 2005 we have elected barack obama is that he would be the most transparent president and everything was supposed to change and i don't quite get it.

>> where was the media in 2005 when it was reported and there was no uproar about it and no one got upset about it. yes, you are right, i would like to believe that we have a transparent government, but all of a sudden it is getting the attention that it never got. >> i think one big difference is the rise of the internet companies. google and all the others are in the middle of this. >> we found out at&t and bryson was serving as well. it's a the digital platform, it's the same thing. >> you are right. except now the e-mails question that. i don't think anyone has any idea. >> no one had an idea that their phone conversations were being watched as well.

jon: we all know that the reporting that catherine herridge did on friday, that the barack obama campaign, which blew the romney campaign out of the water when it came to big data crunching and doing some of the same kind of things, finding out who is out there and what their interests are, that company was a campaign organization that has been turned into a company and analytics is a little weird. >> not necessarily. he is in the database. nothing new about this. schmidt says that this is a separate company from google and there is no evidence that he is using google for the mechanics of google and other companies to do this until there is any evidence of wrongdoing. let's not conflate these scandals until we have more information. jon: for the record, i did not

use the word scandal. >> let's just be careful. >> okay, let me just reconnect the doctor. we do know eric schmidt is arguably president obama's best friend. we also know that this company not only helps the obama campaign of 2012, but you have to wonder how this works in retrospect. in addition they are moving towards campaign consultants and they are also helping people in obamacare is part of the enrollment process for people to be part of the obamacare health insurance effort. that's a lot of politics. >> there were companies on the left and right. >> we will see what happens. alan colmes, jim pinkerton. thank you so much.

jenna: to u.s. companies working on a plan to mine the big state's rocks for precious metals. how are they going to do this. we have our guest from seattle with more on this story. >> that is right, before you think that this is rocks in the sky, consider some of this in this company. google ceo larry page and roscoe turner. they are all doing this early because they want to become even richer. the company's resources have developed a small spacecraft and its job will be to fly around outer space and take a close-up look at the measurement of asteroids. to identify the ones that contain the most valuable metal like platinum that could one day be hauled back to the earth's atmosphere and mind. >> we have not created an

economic influence and that is what we want to do. we want to bring the solar system within this influence. >> the technology already exists and nasa is talking about doing that. the thing is that it is all robotically. but if that can be done, some of the metal could be brought back to earth to make some people trillionaire's. but also the goal is to use the materials, including the water in an asteroid that furthers space exploration. they call it living off the land. one big question is can someone actually own that land. >> looking at the treaties, no one is really sure who owns what if anyone owns anything. >> so for now it could be finders keepers and trillions of dollars out there. jenna: thank you.

jon: a group of divers have discovered one of the most sought-after shipwrecks on the bottom of lake superior. nearly 100 years after the ship went down in a ferocious storm. there is live with more. >> that is right. this is a neat story. if you spend anytime any time on the great lakes, you know how these fast-moving violent storms can hit with very little warning. imagine what that was like before we had radar to give the ship captains a heads up that bad weather was on the way. one hundred years ago during the massive storm on lake superior. searchers believe they have located the ship intact in more than 500 feet of water. the load of iron our, and apparently spilled alongside this. it was 520 feet long and it carried a crew of 25 and all

souls were lost when the captain sailed into the heart of the storm. he thought that there was a lull in the storm. the weather was so violent that it was one of the fiercest ever recorded by historians. more than a dozen ships sank in about 250 sailors died. altogether in this great lakes storm of 1913. that is actually what they said. in maritime historians say this is a fantastic sign because until now it was considered eight goes ship. shipowners look for for years in order to pinpoint that final resting spot. a new story to tell you about. after tragedy 100 years ago. jon: like the discovery so much that we are bringing on a man who found that thing and he will be our guest tomorrow. thank you. jenna: jury selection is underway in the highly anticipated trial. george zimmerman facing

second-degree murder charges in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and what our defense attorneys looking for? plus, and on welcome visitor in the finals of the french open. we have all the video of this bizarre intrusion and maybe an explanation as well. we have that coming up next

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>> we have to be good at engaging with them in the jury selection process if you are not taking quality jurors, you are going to get a false teacher and i personally believe that the trial is lost during the jury selection. >> everyone in the country have practically has heard about this case. >> well, what that is down here in texas, the number one thing is that we have a jury for oj. we have a jury for tv antennae. we can get a jury of people that don't even know enough were not lost in that. but you have to have experience and a feel for what those people are telling you.

jon: let me give you a chance to answer. we have a jury for oj simpson, but look at the verdict. >> you know, yes, i don't think that we will have that kind of problem here. >> the jury selection getting underway in the trayvon martin shooting. we thank you. >> thank you. jenna: medical concerns for new athletes. concussions are on the rise and perhaps we really don't know enough about what needs to be done during the recovery. doctor patti is in the house. very important information for parents. we will break it all down for them next. [ male announcer ] this is george.

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jenna: researchers are finding that while 170,000 kids go to the emergency room, millions of cases are treated outside of the hospital and some 70 to 90% are missed completely. joining us now is doctor patty and in emergency medicine physician. do you feel a lot of concussions coming to your area? >> a lot of concussions, a lot of children are playing soccer and football and hockey and basketball. these children as well as adults are under this study. the brain is an elastic organ and it is very malleable and it can recover quickly. the problem is many are not quick to realize the signs and symptoms of concussions.

many concussions you just get a bang to the head. you don't necessarily have to have a hard blow. but the trauma can be long-standing. jenna: so some parents might say that my kid had a concussion and the coach says that out again. we are learning in some of these studies, including one published in pediatrics that doctors are not quite so sure about how long it takes to actually recover from a concussion. >> that is true. the studies you refer to are interesting. they thought that you could recover in two or three weeks and now they are looking at a month or even longer than that. up to 12 weeks when a child or adult has had repeated blows to the head.

at practice is as many times as the coaches, not always those on the stands. so this is a right call. you have to look at all of the repeated blows to the children's heads and make sure that they are not exhibiting any extra symptoms. jenna: so what would you say as far as recovery does? >> i would say to be conservative and definitely what i would say is make sure that you are using proper safety equipment first. i have an example of a bicycle helmet here. a hardhat for those who work in construction. >> that matters as well. but what you want to do is use the proper safety equipment. you also want to make sure that if the child receives a blow to the head, you definitely have to have them evaluated.

signs are clumsiness, blacking out, honestly have to have them evaluated by professional. then you need a time of rest for the body and the brain. jenna: doctor, thank you so much. especially as we are heading into the sports season. this is such valuable information. we'll be right back with more "happening now." and as the nation's leading beverage company, we can play an important role. that includes continually providing more options. giving people easy ways to help make informed choices. and offering portion controlled versions of our most popular drinks. it also means working with our industry to voluntarily change what's offered in schools. but beating obesity will take continued action by all of us, based on one simple common sense fact...

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>> jenna: big news day we have to finish up with a

very key story here. >> yeah. >> jenna: we all know chewbacca. the star wars icon had trouble getting past security in denver. cane shaped like a late saber. that set off alarm bells. is he more than 7 feet tall. take a look at him standing next to harrison ford or hans solo. on the plane after they inspected the stick everything is okay. just in case you missed this, a few weeks back our jon scott showed off his own awesome impression of chewbacca. [chewbacca] >> i had no idea that was kind of your thing. >> jon: i used to could that for my kids a lot. they were big chewbacca fans. >> jenna: in your hometown of denver, can you believe they stopped him? >> jon: i'm glad they let him on the plane though. >> jenna: no one messes with chewbacca. >> jon: i do a beard better

yoda. >> jenna: we have 20 seconds left. >> jon: not today. jen jen "america live" starts right now. >> megyn: fox news alert, new twists in the revelations about our government spying on americans as the man who leaked sensitive information about two government programs comes out of the shadows. welcome to "america live," everyone. i'm megyn kelly. 29-year-old edward snowden says he is the one who handedver information to reporters outlining two nasa surveillance programs. one collects phone records from americans. the other is tasked with collecting data from major u.s. internet companies. snowden tells reporters he has no regrets. even as an investigation is launched now into his alleged actions. at this moment we are awaiting a white house briefing. this story expected to be brought up early and often. we begin with our chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with the the very latest live in washington. catherine? >> well, megyn, the latest information is that snowden has reportedly check