>> steve: big day here on "fox & friends" today. tomorrow check out the all american summer concert series. foreigner will be here for the third time. we know you love them. >> brian: archie and jack harbaugh decided to stay for foreigner. >> gretchen: see you tomorrow. have a great day. bill: we are awaiting the start of an important hearing at the fbi. the questions will be direct at robert mueller and they say anything goes. welcome to "america's newsroom." martha: i'm martha maccallum. they can bring in the been zazi attack that killed four americans. the obama administration is

under intense scrutiny over what critics call a lack of transparency. pill * steve, what is the director likely to say about these surveillance perhaps? >> reporter: he will say we need to stay ahead of the criminal and terrorists. it's the last hearing. he was confirmed as fbi director one week before 9/11. he's expected to make one indirect reches to the surveillance issues. he says following the rule of law and upholding civil rights makes all of us safer and stronger. we'll be judged not by our ability to keep americans safe from tear rim and crime but he also expected to talk about the growing threat from home grown

terrorists. in the last two years alone bombing threats were successfully thwarted. bill: members of congress are briefed this week apparently. do we know if they are satisfied if they have received enough information yet, steve? >> reporter: some of them want more information declassified. the chairman of the committee hosting mueller today said in a statement, members. congress were afforded a briefing on this issue yesterday, but we still have questions for director mule were these programs and the american people need to know more. he said he has questions for mueller on the boston bombing suspects and how the fbi and other agencies failed to share information and connect the dots about the boston bombing suspects. bill: these are big and important questions.

thanks, 10:00 a.m. eastern time, about an hour from now. >> just yesterday a senate panel grilled the nsa director on the agencies domestic surveillance program. director alexander defended the agency. he says those programs have stopped terror attacks in our country. >> it's dozens of terrorist events that these have helped prevent. >> we clocked millions and millions and millions of records through 215. but dozens have proved critical, is that right? >> for both here and abroad. i think it's important that we get this right. i want the american people to know we are trying to be

transparent here, protect civil liberties and also the security of this country. martha: later this hour new york congressman peter king, we'll ask him what he thinks about all this. we'll ask him what he's going to be asking. bill: democratic senators asking how does a 29-year-old contractor get so much access to so much top secret information. >> you tell me the president requested $13 billion in cyber spending for fy14, then a contractor, somebody who is not even accountable to your chain of command or anybody else in the government is able to get his hand on a fisa order from verizon. >> in our networks the

administration of those networks. the i.t. infrastructure was outsourced to push more of our work out to contractors. bill: in the meantime mr. alexander admitted that is a problem that must be fixed. martha: the former government contractor behind the nsa leaks is speaking out from a secret location. edward snowden tells a reporter he is still in that city. he's prepared to fight extradition attempt by the u.s. he says the u.s. has been hacking computers in hong kong and china since twine. since -- since 2009. bill: 62% of americans say it's.

martha: a lot of the information goes into this fortified data center that opened last year in utah. it created a new phrase called metadata which is basically everything. the center costs $2 billion to get up and running. it's five times the size of the united states capital. and it can hold a yottabyte of data. that's one septillion bytes of data. it's the size of 1,000 years of all internet traffic. photograph nateing. on the economy, on the jobs market. weekly unemployment claims fell

to 334 thousand. that's a 5-year low. it sounds like good news. and stuart varney says it may be the sign of a little bit of good news but also something else that he's calling our new normal. welcome to the new normal. so, you know, it's like hitting your head against the wall. you don't know how it feels until you stop. >> reporter: this is what we have got, this is the new normal. that's a slow recovery. not many jobs and a low rate of growth. you go to the numbers on new jobless claims. they are down 12,000 from last week. that's not a great number. that's still relatively high. retail sales numbers up .46%. so what you have got -- here is the question. are you going to accept this new normal of a very slow recovery? is america repaired to accept

this new normal? martha: i think -- let's take a look at some of these numbers and show how people are feeling about the u.s. economy. it does appear they are starting to get used to this. right now the number of people who say the economy is excellent or good is 18%. back in january only 9% called that excellent or good. you can see the numbers for only fair or poor. let's take a look at the other one as well. another one on the condition of the economy. 27% say we are in a recession. in june of last year 4% said that. it appears people are saying we are doing okay. they don't seem to be pointing blame. >> reporter: they accepted the new normal because it's been going on for so long. the under employment rate is 13.8%. 22 million people in that

category. this has been going on for 53 consecutive months. that's the longest stretch of underemployment since 1994. we appear to be accepting the new normal which is still the worst recovery since any recession since world war ii. bill: we have a huge weather system to talk about. several tornadoes touching down as the weather system sweeps across the country. this is the damage in hampton, iowa. >> kind of looked at it and it kept getting closer. so we locked the door and jumped in and took off for town. i kind of think it probably hit two minutes after that. >> it looked large, and scary to see the debris. we weren't for sure what it was hitting or if there was any injuries at that point in time.

martha: there is a major system threatening some of the nation's largest cities. bill: plus a spring of scandals rocking the white house. many wonder why we have heard very little from president obama. why would that be? martha: congress demanding answers on the nsa surveillance perhaps. some lawmakers are about to take part in a closed hearing. we asked what gives them the trite spy on americans in the first place. >> i have my verizon phone. what authorized investigation gave you the grounds for acquiring my cell phone data? i don't make any decisions about who to hire

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martha: a bus colliding with a vintage trolley car. police had to close off several streets of the city of san francisco. none of the injuries are reported to be life-threatening. bill: the obama administration facing heavy criticism for a string of recent scandals. >> here is a president who triples the number of troops in afghanistan but doesn't speak about it for a couple years and is shocked the country loses interest in the war and has to withdraw. he simply initiates in libya then he doesn't lead. if this issue is as important as he says, he should be make at least one speech. instead he's up in massachusetts campaigning on behalf of a democrat. he's saying it's over but at the

same time he's running this unbelievably huge invasive program whose only basis is the vast terror threat out there. so he doesn't only support this program. he contradicts it in public. bill: what about that, steven hayes, who had a cameo in that sound bite. does it make you wonder who's flying this plane? >> i think it does. more importantly, what charles is raising is something, you have intelligence officials asking of the president as well. president obama is saying we need this program, he th tacitly agreed to expand it and he's not making the front line defense and explaining to the american people why it's necessary. bill: you get the impression we are on auto pilot.

no one is in the cockpit and we are flying by way of instrument. why doesn't he hold a press conference and invite all the reporters in and explain exactly what is happening and why it is necessary. why has that not happened, steve? >> in part because of the speech he gave three weeks ago. he declares the global war on terror over. he says we can go back to worrying about threats as they existed free 9/11. we aren't likely to suffer mass casualty attacks. even defenders of the program will argue they are invasive and go beyond the things we have done before. so why do we need them if we aren't at risk for mass casualty attacks. if al qaeda isn't the threat it once was. i would argue we need them because we are. bill: he would have to backtrack on his own words.

>> to be consistent he would. i'm sure administration defenders would say this will help us keep track of the evolving threat. i think the reason these programs were initiated was to prevent large scale attacks on the homeland. that's why they were implemented and that's why they continue to exist today. bill: maybe he doesn't think any of them are his fault. benghazi was state department. irs, bureaucrat i can failure within that department. the nsa, that was president bush's idea in the first place anyway. so i'm not accountable. it was to the done by me. >> i think that's certainly what unites all of these stories. i would not put the nsa story in the category of scandal. but with the doj and the irs and benghazi, that's the answer we

have gotten. in every case the white house is pointing to someone else who bears responsibility for these missteps or scandals. at some point i think the president has to live by the old harry truman adage the buck stops here. bill: yesterday he was in massachusetts. that would suggest, steve, that the politics of the country are more important to the office than everything else swirling around it. >> there is no doubt the politics are important. he has been giving speeches at dnc events. the day after the attacks the president flew to las vegas to do fundraising. there were unanswered questions in that. prime minister looked at that and said that's not the right priority for the commander-in-chief. bill: the intelligence community is not happy with the president you say. why is that? >> certain members of the

intelligence community. people i talked to said, mr. path, if you think this program is so important and they believe it is, if you think it saves lives and they believe it does, you need to be the one out there making the case for it, and it's reminiscent of the arguments they made in the 2008 campaign about the war in afghanistan, the good war, the war we had to win, the were we had to prosecute to defeat al qaeda and the taliban. then when he came to office he talked about it very sparingly. he didn't spend a lot of time talking about the war and we saw the polls drop after that. bill: i'll make a prediction. within 36 hours you will get a press conference at the white house and get some answers. martha: tragedy unfolding at the racetrack. the tragedy that took the life of a young nascar driver. bill: the warnings are up. the map is huge.

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bill: a deadly fertilizer plant explosion rocked the town of west, texas in april. >> dad, i can't hear. dad, i can't hear. please get out of here. please get out of here. bill: the blast leveled hundreds of homes. the mayor of that town says he was stunned by fema's decision. >> i don't know what their definition of a disaster is. if it's not. does it take 20 firemen to die? does it take 500 homes instead of 400 homes to be destroyed?

bill: fema provided millions in aid to the town and its residents. but the movehem from getting additional help. the leaders are working to appeal that decision. martha: there is a dangerous storm system moving across the country. it's the aim one that hit the midwest. cities along the east coast are bracing for severe weather. >> reporter: a rough day for travel across a lot of the east coast. yesterday it was exactly where you see this line of severe storms. the red dots or tornadoes were reported. there was a strong wind event and a lot of lightning. take a look at this shot out of chicago yesterday. absolutely beautiful in one sense when you see a storm like that. it is the willis tower and that lightning striking right on top of that. also look at the images out of

ohio. another state that had tornadoes. tornado sirens sounding across this area. and all of that lightning -- there were a couple tornadoes reported with this. that's from solon, ohio. all of this storm system pulling off toward the east. two tornado watch boxes. these two expire at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. that one is at 2:00 p.m. we have had strong storms. take a look at this line of storms. that's philadelphia and baltimore and d.c. all of these big cities, the morning commute being hammered with heavy rain. back to the cincinnati area big storms are moving through. that's the storm system i think later on will move across the big cities. this is the future radar. i have got the temperature below this. this is the precipitation all morning long. heavy rain from philly towards new york. then we see things clear out and

warm up again. then this next line of storms moves back in around the evening commute hour. some spots will see around 4-5 inches of rain and that means significant flooding. we have 14 states that we have flash flood watches and warnings. we'll still deal with this for tomorrow. but the weekend is looking beautiful. so there is your bright side with that. martha: thank you for the bright side there. can we get this summer going or what? bill: bits and starts. martha: make it through today and we'll be okay for the weekend. bill: the u.s. open starts in philadelphia. due to train it was just suspended there. more than 100 home destroyed. thousands forced out of their homes. wildfires are burning. well see how much containment they have if any.

martha: a house committee moment away from getting a classified briefing on the nsa's controversial surveillance program. congressman peter king will be in that briefing and he will speak to us first. >> i think it's important that we get this right. we are trying to be transparent here, protect civil liberties and privacy but also the security of this country. you hurt my feelings, todd.

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bill: there are threats to put an end to the violent protests by the turkish government in istanbul. watch here. you have five dead. thousands injured. the prime minister says police will remove all quote trouble makers from the city square within 24 hours. leland vittert is live in tack spill square. >> reporter: not far from where i'm standing, there are thousands if not tens of thousands who have come here to this park to protest. the violent pictures we have seen was kicking the protesters

out of one of the main squares in istanbul. we have seen a lot more violence on the country's capital. they are coming out against police brutality and they say they want a change in the way the prime minister is ruling the country. they are saying he needs to act like a democratically elected prime minister. they offered a referendum in turning this park into a mall. now the those in istanbul's main park say that's not enough. one protester said that's the stupidest idea i have ever heard of. bill: push will come to shove quite literally in istanbul. what would satisfy the

protesters? >> reporter: that's the tough question. it started with a bunch of people setting up tents because the prime minister wanted to turn this, one of the last parks in istanbul, into a mall. the protesters have for if *ed. we have all -- the protesters have morphed. they say they have a right to have their grievances. they are also protesting the is limbization o --protesting the f turkey. bill: leland, gla good to have u on the ground there. protesters see the prime minister's increasingly authoritarian rule there. his government introduced new

laws banning the sale of alcohol between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. women's head scarves have been banned in some colleges. now they are being seen in government offices. martha: we are moments away from a closed house hearing into the leaking of classified nsa surveillance perhaps. yesterday during an open senate hearing one senator grilled keith alexander, nsa chief. >> how do we get from the reasonable grounds relevant, authorized investigation, statement of facts to all phone records all the time all locations. i have my verizon phone. my cell phone. what authorized investigation

gave you the grounds for acquiring my cell phone data? martha: underring moment yesterday. i'm joined by new york republican congressman peter king. he will be in that closed door briefing. so -- i know this is a closed briefing. so the contents will remain closed. but what questions do you want answered in that briefing today? >> i'm pretty much familiar with the entire program and i support it. i think the program is absolutely essential. general alexander has done an excellent job. there is nothing unconstitutional about it. it saves so many lives. i was actually on the ground with commissioner kelly in 2009 that sunday evening they were stopping the zazi attack. hundreds if not thousands of new yorkers would have been

incinerated the next day if not for the system that's in place. martha: there are a bunch of reports that suggest it was not this program that helped to uncover imagine bull la zazi. but it came from a british agent. >> i disagree with that. martha: understood. but one of the questions that comes to my mind is the question about the boston bombings. we understand you are not going to catch everyone all the time. buff it seems like it was tailor made to catch these guys. they were all over the internet, they were all over youtube. why would these two brothers have been able to protect their own privacy -- they had a lot of privacy in all of the dealings that they had with regard to the planning of this. why did they have so much

privacy when it appears so many others do not? >> first of all, no one's internet or e-mails can look at unless there is a foreign connection. martha: there was a foreign connection and we knew that because russia alerted us to them. i know sometimes we can't get it right. but this is a tailor made situation. this should have caught these guys. >> i agree that the fbi could have done more on the brothers in massachusetts when they were alerted by the russian government. there is no indication they had given that to the nsa. having said that. maybe there should be more surveillance. the fact is they have done all they can. there is no indication i have that any of this traws transmitted by e-mail because they were planning an attack. just because the russians say someone traveled, that's not

sufficient grounds to look into one's e-mails and he was an american citizen. martha: one was an american citizen and one wasn't. from the context of this larger discussion when you are looking at this huge collection of data, it ought to be when somebody is tipped off by the russians and they say we checked them out and we are fine. wouldn't you continue to look at their phone records and internet as a matter of course because we have been alerted to them? if that's not the case -- i'm searching for the knowledge. that there is an efficiency in this program. >> first of all unfortunately when the fbi investigated they found no terrorist connection. absent that they cannot use the system. it protects american citizens. this russian brother was protected. but the fact is that shows how difficult it is for these phone calls to be followed and also how very, very difficult it is to go into anyone's e-mails.

martha: that makes no sense. you could say to the judge. we know the fis sarks court accepts almost every one of these cases. >> that's not true. martha: there were six they didn't accept out of 1,000. >> that's a distorted version. the reason there is a small number rejected. there is much negotiation back and forth went courts. i have spoken to lawyers involved with the nsa how difficult it is the and how often they are told they cannot get it done. then they refine it and that what's you see as being approved. but often the first suggestion or request is turned down then they modify it so all you see is the final approval that's given. not the initial. as far as this other. what you are saying is there are too many protections in place. martha: i'm saying let's make sure it many efficient and it works. are you telling me there would

be a judge who would say, the russians alerted us to these guys. can we keep looking at their phone stuff and a judge will say no? >> i don't see that going through. you have to show a terrorist connection. martha: that would have been helpful. >> they have not been able to show a foreign terrorist connection to this. maybe it's there. but there is no prov -- there io proof even after the fact. until you have that you cannot use fisa and prism. that proves how much american citizens are being protected sometimes at the risk of their their own safety. you are saying because when didn't catch this one because of the protections in place we should have less protections. that's a different story of. i'm saying these phone numbers which are kept. there is no constitutional right. this is fully in accordance with

the constitution and the fisa act and court supervision and monitoring. martha: i'm hoping it leads to real results. we heard yesterday that it has. do you think we'll see incidents like that disclosed so people like me and others can say i get it. we need some declassification now that we know all this. >> i hope general alexander can release more. but the more you tip off the enemy. we have an enemy that wants to kill us watching everything we do. everything we disclose that may seem harmless has come back to get us. they are going to address their methods based on what we are doing. that's something we have to keep in mind. general alexander is a patriot.

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bill: one of the biggest names in auto racing losing his life last night in new jersey. jason leffler died later of his injuries. he finished in the top five 42 times. he was only 37 years old. martha: carnival's triumph is back in business, setting sail since a nightmare of a cruise where passengers kissed the ground. casey stegall is live in

galveston, texas. who are the brave individuals willing to go along? >> reporter: a lot of team. the cruise line tells us today's voyage is entirely sold out. 14 trips were canceled while this thing was out of commission, while it was being fixed and refurbished. carnival cruise lines tells us $115 million worth of repairs were made. it will be on a four-day trip to cazumel, mexico. in february there was a fire in the engine room. and it was stranded in the gulf of mexico for four long days. martha: how many of the passengers from february decided to come back for this cruise?

>> reporter: zero. the cruise line told me to one from the february cruise will be on this one. but they say a lot of them have used the vouchers they were given for future cruises for some of the other ships. we suspect that because this is sold out and the next cruise out here monday is also sold out that it's just a backlog of those 14 voyages that had to be canceled while it was fixed. martha: nice bounceback. thank you so much, casey. we'll see you later. bill: stay on dry land. scandaled surrounding the white house. marco rubio is next.

bill: a new fox poll shows the president losing ground on the issue of honesty and trustworthiness. far right 73 per back in april of 2009. what explains that free-fall do you think? >> i think the last four weeks, six weeks explain the. we still don't know the full story of what happened. why they were there to begin with. second is the issues regarding the associated press and fox news and the investigation with that and the targeting of conservative groups by the irs. all of these things undermine the credibility of the white house. in january when people lose coverage they are happy with. when people's premiums go up and seniors lose medicare advantage benefits.

after the president promised none of that would have happened under obama-care that has undermined the credibility of his administration. bill: how should the president handle this. for the most part we haven't heard him address much, much anything. >> obama-care is going to be a disaster. he needs to suspend its implementation. when they get their premiums in january and see how much that increased or when they get moved from full time to part time they won't be happy. as far as irs and benghazi is concerned. disclosure is best. what did everyone know, when did they know it? to be more open about that. they refuse to do that and they refuse the take the lead on these things or call for an independent investigation. that's going to continue to erode the credibility of the white house and this administration. bill: you just said he should

suspend the key piece of legislation obama-care. >> i think it should be repealed. i think it will be debill 8ing to our economy. the next few weeks and months and people start meeting with their accountants and they will make decisions based on that. they will drop coverage. they will lay people off. they are going to move people to part time and people's premiums are going to go up. when people get their new insurance it will be expensive for millions of americans because of obama-care. i think they will be in a world of hurt when that happens. but our country and economy will be in a world of hurt because of that. bill: it's obvious you will not get republican support unless you convince your colleagues that border security will happen and will be a priority. will you make that happen? >> i think we can. on the benefits we want to make

sure this is not a strain on the american taxpayer. it's not fair to ask the american taxpayer to pay for benefits for people who violated our immigration laws. and on the border it's e-verify. we want to make sure this never happens again. we don't want to be back here talking about another 5 or 10 million people who entered our country illegally. bill: you are saying you can get republican support because of border security, you are saying you can convince your colleagues and moderate democrats that illegals will not get the benefits of the federal government, and you believe by the end of this year as speaker boehner said that immigration will be signed into law in 2013? >> it will depend on bored and benefits. if we secure the border within insure we don't have another wave of illegal immigration in the future a protect.the american taxpayer by denying benefits to those who denied our

immigration laws. if the democrats or whoever refuse to agree to that we'll not. bill: * good to have you back us. martha: there are new details about where the nsa leaker may be hiding and what he says his next plans are. nearly 100 homes have been destroyed by out of control wildfires. we are privilege on the ground we are privilege on the ground in colorado. like a big busin. just go online to pay, print and have your packages picked up for free. we'll do the rest. ♪

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martha: this fox news alert, new questions this morning about where nsa leaker edward snowden

may be hiding as we find out a little bit more about his background and his plans for the future. very interesting stuff. welcome to "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum. bill: and i'm bill hemmer. snowden claims he's still in hong kong and has no plans to leave anytime soon, saying he's ready to fight the u.s. government from there. martha: catherine herridge joins us live from washington. so what more are we learning about him today, catherine? >> reporter: thank you, martha, and good morning. the belief is that 29-year-old edward snowden in hong kong at this hour, the charges must be carefully considered because whatever charge snowden is extradited on from hong kong, the u.s. must prosecute him on those very same charges. and be this morning we are moments away from a house hearing with the fbi correcter, robert -- director, robert mueller, this leak to the guardian newspaper show that is the telephone records of millions of americans were for

not only the national security agency, but also the fbi. so we can expect be director mueller to be pressed to explain whether he believes the scope of the surveillance and the data collection programs are justified in terms of the number of specific, credible leads that the program has produced, martha. martha: yeah, very good questions, and we'll look to that in a little while from now. so the head of the nsa, catherine, says he would like to declassify some of this information which could go a long way to sort of proving their point here. so is that going to happen, and if so, when? >> reporter: well, it looks like it may happen within the next week, alexander's promise to the hill is able to be executed. pushed by a leading democrat on the senate appropriations committee yesterday, alexander said the data collection programs do work. >> we collect millions and millions and millions of records through 215, but dozens of them

prove crucial, critical, is that right? >> yeah. for both here and abroad. >> okay. >> in disrupting or contributing to the disruption -- >> and out of those millions, dozens have been critical. >> that's correct. >> reporter: fox news has asked the nsa as well as the office, pardon me, of the director of national intelligence, that's alexander's boss, what he meant specifically by dozens of terrorist events. does he mean discreet plots, terrorist operatives, and is this dozens figure global in nature and not specifically targeted with plots against the united states, martha. martha: very interesting. >> reporter: careful choice of language. martha: indeed it does. catherine, thank you very much. bill: it would help their argument an awful lot if they gave us those answers too. the director of the nsa repeated

his defense saying everything the nsa does is critical to american personal safety. >> we've got to work with congress and the administration to make sure that we balance security and civil liberties. from my perspective, what we can't just do is throw it out and then wish later that we had protected it. we have got to do this right, and that means being deliberate. we also want to be transparent. i think the president knows he made those statements, and it makes sense that the american people know what we're doing is right. bill: amen to. that he was credible, too. he defended his programs, but here's the question now, is our national security at serious risk? that's what he said. later this hour we'll talk to general jack keane and is there anything that can be done to repair the damage out there now. martha: here are some of the revelations from snowden so far, the 29-year-old who burst this program. he's disclosed the existence of prism, giving the nsa direct

access to google, facebook and other internet giants. he also revealed documents showing the nsa is collecting telephone records of verizon customers. security experts say other companies also involved in that kind of collection. and today snowden told a chinese newspaper that the national security agency, the nsa, has been hacking computers in hong kong and china since 2009. bill: so what's your take? what do you think at home? what do you think about the surveillance programs? what should happen to the nsa leaker, edward snowden? send us a tweet, our lines are open right now yet again. there's a lot of big debate here too. hero, traitor, he was qoited saying i'm not a hero, i'm not a traitor, i'm an american. perhaps it's a lot more nuanced than just the black and white. martha: i mean, we do expect the nsa, obviously, to do surveillance. that's what their reason for being there, that's what the nsa is. we all get and understand that, and i don't think it's any big

surprise there's surveillance going on in china, that goes both ways. we've had a ton of breaches in our get fence be systems -- in our defense systems from the chinese government. bill: yeah. let us know. we'll read some a bit later this hour. martha: yeah, we will. and this fox news alert because the hearing has begun now, the fb airks director starting to testify before the house judiciary committee. anything goes really today. director robert mueller may face questions on everything we've discussed today, the boston marathon bombings and why the fbi was not tipped off to those individuals, the benghazi terror attacks and can the role there in terms of the investigation. remember, it took the fbi a long time to get onto that scene in men dwaz benghazi where those four americans were lost. it's going to be streaming at foxnews.com. we'll be keeping an eye on it here, of course, as well, and we'll give you any news that breaks. bill: in the meantime, the story out of colorado, the crews, boy, they have a big battle on their

hands right now. a massive fire destroying nearly, what, a hundred homes in a burn that's still said to be out of control. the black forest fire is one of several on fire across the state of colorado now. while more homes could be destroyed in areas too hot to access, some people were forced from their own homes saying they're just happy to be alive. >> there are some things you just need to live with, and it's a lot better to stay calm, and you can react better. bill: alicia acuna's live in monument, colorado. they did not have a lot of success overnight. what happened there, alicia? >> reporter: hi, bill. no, they did not have a lot of success. and they are right now at 0% be containment still for a fire that started two days ago. today authorities are going door to door in some of these neighborhoods that are in pre-evacuation order. emphasizing to folks they need to be ready, have their valuables ready to go at a moment's notice because things change here so quickly, and that is what's been going on.

now, we got an update from the sheriff here who did say it is incredibly dangerous this that burn zone because of the winds. here's the sheriff. be. >> we're talking about a very hot area, and some, in some cases we're talking two-story homes that have been affected by the fire, they have collapsed down in, and there's multiple billion layers of burn bl -- multiple layers of burnable material. and as we start to inspect, it starts blaring up again. >> reporter: now, some of the host powerful fire fighting resources you can find in this country have been brought into colorado to battle this fire. there is a dc-10 that has been brought in. now, this is an aircraft that can carly 11,600 gallons of slurry. c-130s are also in play here as well. however, it is no match so far for the winds, the high, powerful winds that we've seen 40-50 mile-per-hour winds that

have been pushing the flames in a couple of different directions which makes it particularly difficult and dangerous as you know, bill. bill: what's the forecast for today? what are the prospects, alicia? >> reporter: not much better. in fact, the air quality is actually adding to that problem. they're expecting 90, 95 degree temperatures today, more high winds, 50 degrees, so they're expecting to evacuate more people, they're expecting the fire fight to become be more dangerous and all the more difficult. they're thinking this thing could spread by at least 3,000 more acres. we are already at 8500 acres for the black forest fire alone. so an additional 3,000 acres before this is all said and done. bill: that is huge. alicia, thanks. good luck today, their going to need it. martha: we've seen several of these wildfires this year alone as the tally reaches some 4,500 fires. good grief. all sizes they came in over the course of this season so far. an area of more than 133,000 acres has been burned. up to this point for a combined

acreage of 207 miles burned in america. in this season. there's currently 14 uncontained, large fires in the united states. nine of them out in the west alone. bill: colorado's got its hands full, right? need some moisture out there. new polling showing the majority of americans are not happy with the answers they're getting from the white house, so will the president come forward and start addressing some of these issues head on? when will that happen? martha: plus, the new controversy surrounding the irs, what one lawmaker says he saw agents being trained to use? bill: also a miracle for the family of 10-year-old sara, finally getting a lung transplant that she desperately needs. so then what is next for this 10-year-old girl? >> it's been crazy, and we've sort of been sitting there all night, you know, hoping and praying that this one would work, and so it was really thrilling, and really you find out that you have the final go, and then literally 15 minutes later they take her out in the hall and wheel her down.

bill: this is the hearing we were waiting on. robert mueller, the fbi director, might be the last time he's in front of this house committee here. we're awaiting news on benghazi or anything else. apparently, at this hearing anything goes. so if that is the case, it might make for a very interesting hearing to listen in on. when there are headlines, we'll bring them to you live from the hill happening now. martha: new fallout for the obama administration. there's a new fox news poll that shows that a vast majority of americans want congress to dig further into these three big scandal stories. look at these numbers. be 78% think that congress should continue investigating the irs target of conservative groups. 76% want the justice department's monitoring of journalists investigated, and on benghazi, look at that number. 73% still want more answer on

benghazi. bret baier is anchor of "special report" here on fox news, and he joins me now. those are pretty big numbers. >> they are, martha. and people on capitol hill, i think, look at those numbers. and, of course, one side feels emboldened, and the other side perhaps a little bit concerned with the public sentiment about these investigations. you're right, the number of democrats -- specifically on benghazi -- have said this is a done deal, it's time to move on. but others have talked about the doj and the irs in the same way. those numbers change that dynamic. let me just bring you a couple of other numbers in there. 56% in this poll believe that president obama did not try to rescue those in benghazi because of political concerns. he didn't want to risk re-election. 63% belief that obama's justice county seized those --

department seized those records for political reasons, and 68% believe the white house is not telling the truth about targeting political enemies by the irs. and just 24% believe the white house line that team obama neither directed, nor was aware of the targeting. that's internal on those three scandals. martha: wow. yeah. >> that's big. martha: they are incredible numbers really when you look at them and you get into the background on them as you just did. let's take a listen, let's take a look at one more, actually, this is on transparency in terms of how transparent. is the obama administration more or less transparent than previous administrations is the question, and 39% be say it's the same, no different at all which certainly was not the goal of candidate obama. less transparent, 35% say it's less transparent than prior administrations. and the numbers go on from there. and let's placate obama out on -- play candidate obama out on the trail back in 2008. this is what he said. >> what i want to do is maintain

this, this virtual community that we've built, and i want people to keep challenging me and pressing me, and i want to create a white house that is more transparent and accountable than any government we've seen before. martha: last night on your show charles krauthammer said, you know, the president needs to get out there, he needs to be a leader and take these issues and talk to people about what's going on. >> yeah. you know, you add that up, so it's 74% believe it's either the same or less transparent than george w. bush. now, if you said, you know, eight years ago is this going to be the case, you know, as you're in the heat of democrats attacking the bush administration for not being transparent, i think no one would have believed that, especially after the first term of president obama. where people were, you know, excited about the possibility of transparency.

i don't think many democrats would agree that this white house has been transparent, and i think that's translated in those numbers. i don't know if the president coming out can address all of this, because he's been reticent to do that in deep detail on each one of these things. martha: yeah. but does he, i guess, is the question now. they have to be discussing this in the west wing, you know? is this a time to come out and talk about some of these things? the easiest one, it would appear, would be the nsa to come out and say, look, we're very effective, we're doing this in a way that's protecting the american people. i mean, is that, bret, politically the most likely to take on first? >> well, i think charles made a good point last night that it would go in part against some of the things he said in that big national security/counterterrorism speech he gave just a couple of weeks ago in which he said the threat, you know, had evolved, and it's not really the same pre-9/11.

this would suggest that the threat is very real, we need to take it seriously, and so much is happening that we need to collect all these records and try to stop terrorists. martha: yeah. and there have been flaws in that system as we've been talking about here in this morning. bret, thank you very much. big show tonight, no doubt, because there's so much to talk about, and we'll watch you on "special report" every weeknight at 6 p.m. eastern, it is appointment viewing here on the fox news channel. we'll see you later. bill: did you take me up on my bet last hour? i predicted the president would have a press conference in 36 hours. martha: yeah. bill: think that'll happen? martha: no word yet. i haven't seen anything yet -- bill: so you're not going to take the wager? martha: i hope you're right, and i'm not going to give you any m. stop trying to take away my money. bill: stranded 44 stories up. did you see these guys? martha: unbelievable. bill: wait control you see how it ended.

martha: the new controversy in george zimmerman's murder trial surrounding a potential juror. can this man get a fair trial? >> what do you want to say to people that did rush to judgment, that suggested there was racial profiling in this case and that there was some other motivation in this case? >> that i'm not a racist, and i'm not a murderer. if you're looking for help relieving heartburn,

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where the suspect was shot and killed by police. ♪ ♪ bill: fox news chairman and ceo roger ails also known as our boss presented with the tenth bradley foundation prize last evening at the kennedy center in washington d.c. that foundation recognizes individuals whose accomplishments help shape america, and in his acceptance speech, mr. ailes referenced the irs scandal as an example of how crucial it is to move the country forward. have a listen here. >> federal government is about to hire 16,000 more irs agents to enforce health care. 47 new tax increases. no wonder they need guns. [laughter] now, we already know the irs is arrogant. they waste as much money as other government agencies. they enjoy pushing people around. and they can't line dance. [laughter]

we don't need 16,000 more people who can't line dance. [laughter] and we don't need more people with guns enforcing our health care. all right, granny, get your hands up, it's time -- we're tired of telling you this, take your metamucil. bill: mr. ailes donating his $250,000 prize to charity, donating to senior citizens too and well deserved. you can see the whole speech, read it on our web site at foxnews.com. martha: funny stuff about how weak our history understanding is amongst students in this country and what a sad thing that is. a lot of things he would like to fix. he says there's a hole in the boat, but we can still feel it. bill: there's a line this there that says back to the hole in the boat. martha: there are new concerns for our national security at yesterday's hearing on the nsa, and while we're told that more secrets are yet to come out, the agency's director suggests the

leaks that we've seen so far, he says they have already put our nation at a serious risk. plus -- >> back on to rose value, rose value attacks, score! bill: man, it took them all night, but they finally got it done. chicago black hawkes take it in triple overtime, the fifth longest game ever played in stanley cup history, wrapping up well after midnight. martha: 1:20 in the morning or something like that? so you're going to take chicago, i'm going to take the bruins because i'm a cape coder. bill: for those that they're actually still playing hockey in america today, this series could bring the sport back. martha: there's no more fun sport to watch live than ice hockey. bill: true story. back in a moment. ♪ ♪ so... [ gasps ]

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>> great harm has already been done by opening this up, and the consequence, i believe, is our security is jeopardized. there is no doubt in my mind that we will lose capabilities as a result of this and that not only the united states, but those allies that we have helped will no longer be as safe as they were two weeks ago. bill: he said a whole lot yesterday. want to bring in general jack keane, a retired four-star general, a fox news channel military analyst. how you doing, general? good morning. >> good morning, bill. bill: you've known this man for some time, general a.m. sander. what did you think he said yesterday specifically about great harm already being done, and our security has been jeopardized? how are we to understand that? >> yeah. well, he's in his eighth year as director of the national security agency, and he served four secretaries of defense, and he's leaving at -- after his

eighth year. they really want him to stay longer, he's enormously competent, and he puts the needs of the country fist all the time. so when he says something like that, and he's a man of few words, quite frankly, you've got to take it seriously what he is saying. we will lose capability, and we will put americans at risk. very sobering statement. and certainly, that's how outrageous this is that snowden has revealed these programs to the world and done something like that to his own country. bill: i thought he carried a lot of credibility, too, and i appreciate you recognizing the relationship you've had with him. however, what he said though at one point is that we've had programs that have led to the disruptions of dozens of terrorist plots, but there were no specifics and no details. and if you want to convince americans that the program does work, why not give us specifics? >> well, i think they'll probably give more than what they have. i know that the congressman asked that, and i think he said he would get back to them, you know, in writing. the fact of the matter is some of these, some of these details

are so specific in terms of what we, what we did that it will reveal sources and methods. i don't think it's an attempt to keep something from the american people. actually they're very proud of what they've been able to do. and that's the harsh reality of it. we have stopped numerous attacks on this country, and electronic surveillance, what we are talking about here, has dope more of that -- has done more of that than anything else, truth be told. bill: so you're convinced the system works and should be kept in place, and, i don't know, would you even argue that maybe the system needs to be expanded more than it is today? >> well, i think what will happen, bill, just as we've been conducting surveillance of communications since the beginning of war, and as technology changed from wire to telephone and now to the internet, the communication surveillance has got to change with it. so it wouldn't surprise me that five years from now we will have some different capacity to

gather electronic surveillance and information. bill: if that's the case, how are are you going to balance national security and what you explained to us and what general alexander did yesterday with the privacy of americans? how do we strike that balance that's acceptable? >> i think that's a great question, and i think the discussion we're having this last week and we'll continue on for a while, certainly, is a good one. but the fact of the matter is in a democracy, this program is an authorized program, it -- approved by the congress of the united states. you have to go to the foreign intelligence surveillance court to get permission to use the capability that you have. and you also have to report out to two special committees in the congress what you have done and what the results are of that as well. that's quite formidable, i think, in overseeing a program like this, and it's appropriate for a democrat -- bill: just one more point on this, you know, during the bush years the big debate was over

what phone calls are you not listening to or recording, but are you tracking. and this whole national debate was about, no, all we're doing is taking the phone calls from overseas and making sure we understand who's calling here to keep america safe. and now we're learning through these leaks that the program is much more than that. and what i think our government officials have come out and said is you should have known this was happening since 9/11. everybody knew. well, we really did not know. and how did we get to that point? >> well, i think there's a lot of misinformation about what is the program, what it's not. and i think now that there's so much revelation about it, certainly i think government officials -- general alexander -- should explain it in full -- bill: how about the president? just give us an idea? tell us what you're doing. >> i think -- the absence of his voice on this is quite stunning given snowden's revelation and given the exposure. i really would have expected him to champion what we have accomplished with this program,

and personally justify it as the commander in chief and president of the united states to the american people. hey, listen, we haven't had any abuse of it that we're aware of. we probably will at some point. but that doesn't mean we scrap the program. we understand what the abuse is, fix that, hold people accountable and move on. bill: okay. general, thank you. jack keane with us here in new york. ♪ ♪ martha: well, the family of a 10-year-old girl overjoyed after she gets a life-saving transplant. sarah has cystic fibrosis. her family fought to make her eligible for an adult lung transplant, and yesterday they won. they got the amazing news that there was a lung for sara. her mother saying that time had almost run out. >> knowing my child only had weeks left to live without a transplant, my overwhelming emotion is just positive. i'm just, you know, there was no, there's no negative here for me, you know? we had no other option, no other out. we had very limited time and

just this is like just a blessing from god. i mean, i feel like it came at just the last minute, and we wouldn't have made it much longer. martha: boy, that mom fought like a tiger to get that transplant for her daughter, and she did. dr. david samadi is a member of the fax news medical a-team, and starting next month, he will be the new chair of urology at the lennox hill hospital, very rest juice. >> thank you. and also before we start, i want to congratulate my boss, roger ailes, i just learned about the prestigious award that he got. very proud to be part of this institution and have a visionary boss like him. congratulations for doing what you do every day. martha: we all congratulate roger. a great accolade for him. in terms of this little girl, what does she face now? what road -- what possible sort of traps are there in the road for her? >> you know, as a doctor, we wait for these kind of medical miracles all the time, and this

family.derful day for her and they fought through this. of course, the six-hour surgery that she went through, we still have to wait for the recovery, she's in the icu. we still have to wait to see what's going to happen, if there's a risk of bleeding or infection, you can have collapsed lungs. she is in a perfect place, the hospital for children in pennsylvania is actually where my brother got training, it's one of the best. i'm confident that the surgery has gone well, she will have a recovery. this is going to be a little bumpy because it's a big operation, but i'm confident that she will get through -- martha: said in six or eight weeks she could go home. she'll have to take anti-rejection medicine, right? >> that's right. she will be monitored very closely so this organ doesn't get rejected. but the big part of this is the concept of taking an adult lungs and be try to resize it and reform it to give it to a girl like this -- martha: and if this works for her, there's no argument left, right, that these children --

that everybody shouldn't be on the same list, right? >> absolutely, martha. this will open up a whole can of worms because now we have about 20 other kids exactly like sara waiting for this. the rule is you're only going to get a lung transplant for people be under 18. that rule should change, and i know that peter johnson and everyone at fox fought for her. i want to commend her family for really bringing this national to the fight. this is a great success, and she will do quite well. martha: we wish them all well. it's a tough situation for anybody -- >> she also wants to be a singer. martha: we look forward to hearing those lungs, right? doctor, thank you so much. bill: there is more controversy now for the irs. does the tax man really need semiautomatic weapons training? what a top lawmaker is claiming on that today, martha? martha: and a daring rescue of two window washers. this is a job that is not for people with a fear of heights. look at that. dangling above the streets of new york when the scaffolding collapsed.

>> once i had spoken to both individuals, they were all smiles. thankfully, adrenaline, of course, but no major injuries, no complaints. like the chief said, they're used to being out on the scaffolding, so they didn't have any complaints. it was just from being out there for such a long time. new honey bunches of oats greek yogurt and whole grain. here we go. honey cornflakes and chunks of greek yogurt. i'm tasting both the yogurt and the honey at the same time. i'm like digging this yogurt thing. i feel healthy. new honey bunches of oats greek.

bill: fox news alert, headlines coming ott out of this briefing with director mueller.

right now they're talking about the boston attacks. bob goodlatte, the republican lawmaker from virginia, was asking robert mueller about the james rosen investigation and the department of justice. we're going to play the question and the answer. listen carefully to how the fbi director defends that. >> did you characterize the individual as a flight risk, as was done in the matter involving mr. rosen, and did you delay notice of the search warrant for 18 months as was done in the case with regard to mr. rosen? it actually turned out to be three years, because the judge neglected to release the information until 8 months after his -- 18 months after his order had required that it be done. but the justice department requested 18 months in the first place. >> i am not -- >> why would that be necessary if there were no intention to prosecute? >> i am not familiar with the full extent of that investigation, in particular to all the facts that were raised either in the affidavit or in the discussion as to how one would proceed to get the data that persons wanted.

i can say two things. one, that there was great scrutiny given at the local level, i am sure, to what needed to go into the search warrant and its affidavit in particular with reference to the judicial requirements for getting those particular records. and, secondly, that there is a protocol, longstanding protocol in the department of justice that was adhered to in getting approval for that particular action. i, i know and you know that the department of justice is now looking at this set of circumstances -- >> let me interrupt you. i want to get one more question in. >> all i want to say -- >> let me. >> to the ebbs tent that there are tweaks that need to be done, we're happy to abide by those tweaks. bill that was just moments ago now. what he's basically saying is based on his view, protocol was followed here. we'll see how much more they get from this. it's streaming at foxnews.com, and there's a lot to talk about with robert mueller.

that hearing continues on the hill. martha: in the meantime, more controversy for the irs as it's revealed that agents are being trained to use semiautomatic weapons. congressman jeff duncan says he learned about this during a visit to a federal law enforcement facility saying, quote: when i left this, it's been bugging me for weeks now, why irs agents are training with semiautomatic rifle ar-15s which have standoff capability. are americans that much of a target that you need that kind of capability? interesting question, right? so that comes as a new fox news poll shows most americans think that the targeting of conservative groups was, indeed, intentional. look at this, 66% say that they believe that the targeting of conservative groups was intentional and that higher-ups were to blame, that it came from higher levels. just 23% say it happened by mistake, and that is the contention by pretty much everybody who's defending that group. so i'm joined now by doug

schoen, former pollster for president clinton and a fox news contributor, and monica crowley, syndicated radio talk show host and a fox news contributor. welcome to you both. >> hi, martha. martha: first, what do you think about the poll? did that surprise you, doug? the contention has been, look, it was unintentional and done by lower folks in cincinnati. 66% think just the opposite. >> that was and has been the contention, you're right. but given the evidence we've garnered, that the people in cincinnati said it was people in washington, that former director shulman was at the white house 158 times, and to me most tellingly, he met at least one of those times if not more with stephanie cutter, the deputy campaign manager of the obama re-election effort. it's hard to see that what the white house has said is true, and 2007 the rest of the fox poll and i think common sense, martha, it's pretty hard to accept the white house's assertions. martha: we've heard democrats -- doug, let me stay with you for a second on this -- basically saying they think this is over.

you know, this is a done deal, nothing going on here, folks, just move it along. but those numbers would belie that reaction. >> i think the numbers belie that reaction, i also think the facts and the unanswered questions belie that reaction. i heard elijiah cummings over the weekend, and it's a convenient answer, i guess, to say let's move on as some have said with benghazi. but what the poll says is people want answers, real answers and now. martha: what about this whole thing with the guns, monica? i mean, you have got the targeting of conservatives, then you have the $50 million that was spent on conferences and line dancing, as roger ailes pointed out they're not very good at ate either, so he doesn't see why they need to continue to train, looks like a lost cause. and now we're learning they're training some of them, and there is, we should point out, a law enforcement arm or section of the irs so that, you know, they have that. but really? semiautomatic weapons necessary to deal with taxes? >> right. i mean, just when you think you've heard it all, martha, something more outrageous comes

out of here. why irs agents, which are basically number crunchers and dealing with the public, dealing with the taxpayers, why they would need to have weapon is the a really outstanding question. you mentioned that there's a law enforcement arm to the irs, and that's true. but another outstanding question here is how widespread this is going in terms of is your local irs agent going to be packing heat when you go in for your audit? we don't know. and i think when you get this news on the heels of the severe abuse of power that we've been talking about with the irs in addition to the department of homeland security also amassing massive numbers of weapons and ammunition, you have to wonder what are these domestic agencies doing with this, these kinds of weapons and ammo? martha: and you would think local police would provide backup if necessary. we did a little research on this. no irs enforcer has ever been killed in the line of duty, but they have been -- they've had to

use those weapons eight times and accidentally fired the weapons 31 times over -- 11 times over the last couple years, doug, so that's not too reassuring. >> maybe it suggests the reason why they need training with weapons. seriously though, martha, the only argument i could see was if there was some enhanced drug enforcement or need to takes a sets that required the irs to be armed and dangerous. but i agree with monica, bottom line i don't want my irs agent packing heat. martha: no. >> and rest assured. martha: doug, thank you. monica, thank you. we'll see you guys soon. bill: "happening now" rolls your way in a couple minutes. jenna lee's hanging out, what you cooking up? [laughter] jenna: there are a lot of ingredients, that's for sure. are we becoming a surveillance state? that's among the questions being asked of longtime head of the fbi bob muller who's fating a grill -- facing a grilling right now. he's going to be stepping down.

we're going to bring you the best of that q&a, plus reaction from jonah goldberg and a.b. stoddard. also with us today, morgan wright, a cybersecurity expert, among the best of them. he's going to tell us how we can avoid people spying on the internet, on our searches and on our e-mail activities, so you're not going to want to miss that. plus steve moore on what it's really going to take to bring a dent in unemployment. there's a biggies agreement among a lot of the top economists in the country. we're going to break it down coming up on "happening now."

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martha: we're monitoring the fbi director's hearing, robert mueller being asked questions by the house. here's a moment ago with john conyers, congressman conyers. take a look. >> because of the actions of nasa and the federal bureau of

investigation, it's my fear that we are on the verge of becoming a surveillance state; collecting billions of electronic records on law-abiding americans every single day. martha: all right. we'll be keeping an eye on that. it's also streaming on foxnews.com. bill? bill: martha, thank you. there's a would-be juror in the george zimmerman murder trial raising concerns about whether or not a fair trial is possible. the potential juror denied writing about the story on social media, that's when the judge pointed to a post on facebook that read the following from that juror: bull bill after admitting he wrote tt post, the juror was excused. joining me, ann marie mcilroy. can he get a fair trial in that town? >> we hope so. one of the problems is going to

be jurors or potential jurors who come forward and say they can be impartial despite what they've heard, despite what they've read and that they can still render a fair verdict. but you do have people like this who want so badly to get on the jury -- bill: so some people want to on -- >> they do. bill: they want to be on that panel. >> absolutely. they may get interviewed, they may write a book, there are people who stand online just to be able to attend the trial. bill: maybe a job would be a better option. [laughter] in court how do you find that the motivation is pure? >> it's very difficult, because like this juror said, oh, i can be impartial, and he couldn't be. but luckily today we do have some ways, they are looking at the social networking sites, they're looking at google, i'm sure, and any sort of background checks on these folks. there's a jury consultant there with the defense, and they're going to be trying to size up these people and trying to see if they can find anything quickly to show that they're

lying. bill: or they could always call the nsa. [laughter] >> that's true. bill: ann marie, day four, thank you, jury selection in sanford. martha's -- martha, what's next? martha: the rare and dangerous storm system heading towards the east coast, and a look at the big board right now, up just a little higher, 31. we'll take a look at that and be back with more. stay with us.