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word of the day, do not be parsimonious in your thoughts when writing "the factor." i'm bill o'reily, remember, the spin stops here. looking out for you. welcome to "hannity." tonight it appears the house of scandals might have finally caught up with the administration, the president's popularity in an absolute free fall. the cnn/orc poll, his percentage of approval stand at a low of 45%, 8 points lower than may. among the people under the age of 30, a 17 point deploint since may. independen independents, 10% turning on the president. what exactly caused the sudden change of heart? one word -- trust. for the first time since taking
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office, half of the american people say they do not believe he is honest or trustworthy, a 27-point swing since february 2009. before i bring in kentucky senator rand paul to discuss many scandals and why they are responsible for the popularity crisis, why this story is important to you. number one, proves the american people are, in fact, paying attention and that they feel betrayed by their government. the irs, nsa, benghazi, theyment answers and are demanding accountability. number two, like it or not, voters liked it when he said the buck would stop with him. time to stop running away from the truth. and, finally, if this is the way it is, all bets are off for the agen agenda. joining me now is rand paul. >> good to be with you, sean. >> the fox news numbers that came out last week, honesty,
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trustworthy, free fall. >> i think the president leads in two fashions, the legal authority by being elected, but also need moral authority, and i think this constellation of scandals, really he's losing his moral authority to lead the nation. other thing people don't like is hipocrisy. he said he would protect the privacy and fourth amendment. appeared to care and still sounds like he does, but does the complete opposite and then have you his director of intelligence who looks straight at a senator and said we're not collecting any data on americans, when, in fact, the truth is, they collect a billion phone calls every day. >> i once asked you, how do you describe yourself politically. and your answer was interesting to me. you said constitutional conservative. >> yeah -- >> go ahead. >> i would say i'm an originalist. i like scalia, i like thomas on
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the court. my two favorites. look back at the real meaning of the constitution was, and it did mean had a certain degree of privacy that the fourth amendment granted. and we've been going in the wrong direction for a long time. the debate is not about the person or the leaker, also not about the national intelligence director lying, it's really about whether or not your private records, when someone else holds them, a bank or visa company holds them, whether you still should have privacy. >> how do you think the scandals collectively impact, you know, constitutional issues of our time? >> you know, they add to each other, and the irs scandal was very damaging to the president's credibility, because it appears as if he's targeting political oppone opponents, and the woman who took the fifth amendment, used to be in the s.e.c. and was threatening republican candidates 10 or 15 years ago.
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does this go to a deeper culture, and if there is an i muss toward those who want to lower taxation. there has to be top-to-bottom viewing of the irs at large. is there a systemic problem over there. >> let me ask about the immigration bill making its way through the senate. lindsay graham said hispanics cossed romney the election. and if we don't get it off the table, we're in a demographic death spiral. do you think he's right on that? >> i absolutely believe we need to be more inclusive and go out and talk to hispanics and latinos, why the republican party is a good fit for them. we don't choke on and vote on anything, even a bad bill. recently the gang of eight says legal inflation is before border
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security. i have an amendment that guarantees the legal inflation is dependent on border security and only if the border get more secure, does legalization happen. that's the only thing the house would accept and they are going down a past, saying they are going to legalize people whether we get border security that won't florida y in the house. >> you think they want it to fail, so they can use it as a wedge issue. >> some are disingenuous and could care less. i honestly want to fix the system. we have 10 million to 11 million here i wi illegally. i can't vote for any bill if it's not going to secure the border first. >> a couple coats going back to snowden and him revealing the secrets. a couple things he said. one, he said all i can say right now is the u.s. government can't
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cover this up by jailing or murdering me. truth is coming and it cannot be stopped. and he said i had no contact with the chinese government, just like the guardian and washington post, i only work with journalists. a lot of discussion in the country whether is he a hero or a traitor. i am glad the information came out, because the american people have a right to know, but i'm also concerned about revealing secrets. what's your take? >> if he revealed a computer program that showed how we eves dropped on people who were enemies, that would be a very serious crime. but he revealed something that the mediacom plained everybody already knew about it anyway. we did. "the new york times" revealed it. we passed special legislation -- i voted against all of this. but special legislation authorized it, but he feels like it goes against the fourth amendment and what the constitution and bill of rights stands for. i tend to agree on his position,
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when you become a civil disow disobedie disobedien disobedient. some people say he ought to come home, but i don't know if that's a good or bad idea if he's pacing life in prison. >> let me ask you, this trip in dublin for the g8 summit. the first lady has a $3,300 a night beautiful suite, an entourage of 30. an upcoming trip to africa that is expected to cost $60 million to $100 million for taxpayers, but the president couldn't keep the white house open. do you see correlation there? >> you know, we also don't have the capitol police guarding all the entrances to the sequester. and we had 120 irs travel trips
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last year to the tune of $4 million over a two-year period. really, it's crazy what's going on with government travel, government expense. overall, federal employees spent $9 mi $9 billion on travel. i think we should just cut everyone in the government except military by 25%, and that would save $100 million. >> a lot of trips recently. iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, very interesting state you are traveling to, senator. how is one to interpret your travel schedule? >> well, you know, when you go to the early primary state, people do pay attention, and right now, i want them to pay attention to the fact that i want a bigger republican party that speets in all 50 states, go from 5% of the african-american vote to 20% 25% of the
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african-american vote. if we do that, all the states where we're not competitive, all of a sudden we become competitive again. >> you are really seriously thinking about it. >> we're thinking about growing the party. what comes after that, we'll see. >> you are not giving me any information. making it hard. trying hard, senator. not breaking news tonight. i got it. >> i'm trying to give you a scoop. the best i got. >> good to see you, senator rand paul. nice to see up. senator mike leigh will join us, and coming up next, dick cheney slammed ed snowden as being a traitor on "fox news sunday" and the vp called out lawmakers for being critical of the nsa spy program. jim sensenbrenner will tell us if he thinks this is within the law, author of the patriot act. and hollywood out it again. a brand new psa for their pal,
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memory of somebody with access to classified information doing enormous information to the national security interests of the united states. >> former vice president dick cheney talking about the squall whistleblower edward snowden. he defended the surveillance program, implemented in part after 9/11. >> we based the decision in part after 9/11. congress authorized the president to deal with military force to deal with the crisis. we set the program up in the weeks after '01, we briefed chair and ranking members of the intelligence. we did it in my office in the west wing. we gave them the lay out of what we were doing, what we were learning about it. we did it for e, and we had senior officials in the congress and eventually with the fisa
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courts, read into the program, knew what we were doing and in effect signed off. >> joining me to respond is jim sensenbrenner, one of the authors of the patriot act, but he says the obama administration's actions are un-american and unlawful. congressman, good to see you many. >> happy to be here, sean. >> i heard you just had a birthday, happy birthday. >> thank you, sean. i may be older, but may be wiser. >> you have always been on principle, which i admire. have you been there fighting the good fight every day. what do you think about that question about snowden? thoughts? traitor, hero? >> well, he's definitely a criminal for violating his oath and disclosing classified material. if he is giving this material to the chinese or russians, he is a
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traitor. we don't know that soon. >> part of me, congressman, that is glad that he revealed this. part of me that's concerned, if he went to china or russia, that would concern me. you wrote the patriot act. is what we've heard about the prison program, that what's in the law. >> it clearly not in the law. one of the most difficult things of getting patriot act passed is the business section of the law. called section 215, and in order to get the act passed, it was limited. limited only to getting the business records of a foreigner, not an american, who is the target of an authorized terrorism investigation. it did not allow the dragnet style we've seen in the prison program and the nsa revelations that have occurred to date. former house intelligence committee chair pete huckster of
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michigan said what the obama administration is doing is the bush administration on steroids this is clearly beyond the law as i have outlined it, and it's unfortunate that the justice department and fisa court did not follow the law and justices petition and the court approving it. >> very interesting. a liberal website out there, and they said i've changed my opinion. i supported the patriot act, i support data mining, i support surveillance and i support fisa court. but i don't support what the administration did. am i consistnent with what the law is? >> you absolutely are consistent, and i agree with every one of the points you've made, sean. we have to balance security with a respect for civil liberties, which has made our country different than any other country in the world. i think i did that when i drafted the patriot act.
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now, obviously, we're going to have to have some changes in section 215 and maybe in the law that authorizes the fisa court to do what it has done. i don't know exactly what those amendments need to be, but obviously this program has got to be reined in. we should look at the business records of people who are targets of investigations and people who are foreigners, but we don't need to grab everybody's phone calls and they can even go to grabbing the phone calls of journalists or members of congress, who are protected in one way or the other by the constitution, so that the administration, whoever it may be, can see who we are in contact with and try to figure out how we are building a case to do what a journalist or member of congress want to do. there are no checks and balances here. we've got to restore them. >> you know, congressman, if i broke the law or anybody
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watching this program breaks the law, there will be consequences, at least so you've been told. here are you saying they broke not only the spirit, but the letter of the law that you wrote. i don't hear anybody talking about any consequences, do you? >> the problem you got with the fisa court is that if they go too far there, is no way that somebody who is hurt by their orders can go to a public court to be able to challenge it. if you or i were to receive a subpoena or a search warrant for whatever reason, we can go to court and try to get that quashed, because we know what they are asking for and we can make a determination of whether they have gone too far or whether it's not relevant. but nobody knows what the fisa court has ordered, and my concern is is that it's kind of like saying that the police have to stop everybody to try to fin the one drunken driver on the
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road. people should only be accused when there is probable cause, and i thought the patriot act had been drafted in a narrow way so we would go after foreigners who were targets, but evidently the justice department and fisa court decided to go beyond it. >> congressman, very enlightening. >> thank you, sean. >> happy birthday to you. >> thank you, too. up next, the white house tries to deal with the numerous scandals in d.c., new reports about wasteful spending will make american d americans quest happening in the white house. and the gang of eight is controlling what the immigration bill should say. what the public thinks about this message. coming up, and also my commentary on hollywood liberal hipocrisy as "hannity" continues.
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welcome back to "hannity." the scandals at play in the obama administration are not enough to schacht shatter your confidence in the federal government, the unbelievable wasteful spending might do the trick. we'll start with the first lady's suite in dublin. ith costing you $3,300 per night and an entourage of 30. "the washington post" is reporting that the president's family will have a journey to africa which will cost between $60 million to $100 million. and by the way, this doesn't include his trip later this
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summer to martha's vineyard. but the wasteful spending only begins with the fist family and continues down the totem pole, the irs looking to hire a diversity and inclusion specialist with a mihm mum of $100,000 a year. the credibility challenged state department is planning to spend $450,000 of your taxpayer dollars to protect transgenders. why is this important to you? right now, we have $16.8 trillion in debt with that kind of spending, we're robbing future generations of living the way they deserve. if we don't tackle the debt now, america will lose its status as the most powerful country in the world. number two, these are your hard-earned tax dollars. you want them going to nonessential programs. perhaps you would like to see it used on programs that would help
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the economy and create a job? number three, lavish overseas travels come as government agencies are facing mandatory fiscal cuts. we can't open the white house to school kids because we can't afford it. we have joe trippe and jenny beth martin. time of honesty if we can't open the white house for school kids to go and see their house, do we really need to spend that kin of money, $6 0 million to $100 million on african, $3,300 a night, 30-person entourage to dublin. >> i doan know if any of those numbers are right? >> oh, they are right. >> are you doubting me? >> well, sean, i'm doubting whoever came up with these
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numbers. some people came up that his trip to india would cost $200 million and use 10% of the u.s. navy. notes numbers weren't right. >> "the washington post," a liberal newspaper, said $60 million to $100 million. >> sean, i'm not arguing with you. africa has large economic growth, a lot of room for american businesses to move in. creating jobs here and that's part of what the president intend to do while he's there. >> just like the stimulus was a great job. >> that's right. it doesn't start with him, sean. george bush spent $20 million sending him back and forth to his ranch in crawford, texas and he went to africa twice and took laura and the two daughters with them, they went on safari on the border of botswana and south africa.
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not the first president to go to africa and presidential trips cost a lot of money. >> i want the president to be secure, but i think there are better uses for the money. nearly $17 trillion in debt. we can't afford this. u.s. time for the government to be constitutionally limited and fiscally responsible. what the tea party fighting for for the past four years. >> explain the $450,000 of taxpayer money to protect transgenders at the state department, joe. >> everyone in this country is -- their rights should be protected, regardless of gender or -- >> this is for a program that oversees you. it's not actually for a grant here in america. it's a grant for overseas protect of transgenders. >> i'm sorry. i haven't read that article. i'm not sure -- >> do you read anything?
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you are supposed to prepare to come on this show. >> i did read. i didn't read about this particular $a450,000 job. >> he plays golf, he has music groups. all of this at a time when 50 million americans are on food stamps, 1 in 5 children are in poverty and the oppics don't bother you? >> i started the whole thing that the optics are bad and i wouldn't schedule the trip to africa right now. but i don't make those decisions. >> look, people need to come to d.c. this wednesday and join us as we audit the irs. that's where the president should be focused. >> what are you planning on wednesday? >> we are auditing the irs, join us with michele bachmann and rand paul and others, we need you on wednesday. come join us. >> yeah. >> if you go, i can promise you
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you will get a free irs audit, just because you are hanging out with the tea party. >> i already had one of those, thank you very much, sean. >> guaranteed, if you are with the tea party, you get an audit. >> i've already had mine. good to see you. >> all right, speaking of government waste, hard-earned tax dollars to arm rebels in syria, some have already p alled utah senator will be here to respond. but coming up next, we'll have a bipartisan focus group dials some of the most controversial issues facing the nation, border control and immigration. we want to hear from you. contact us at hannitylive.foxnews.com or twitter @seanhannity, and we'll continue. you hurt my feelings, todd.
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in recent weeks, the gang of eight has been out in force trying to sell the immigration plan to you and lawmakers alike. a sudden revelation on president obama's influence. a seni a senior official obama says no decisions are being made without talking to us. this is going to pass with some republicans, but a majority of democrats. immigrant reform is not an easy issue to tackle. they need to focus on finding real solutions that start with controlling the border first. second, if this report is true, and the white house is secretly controlling the gang of eight, where is the transparency the president promised? what lawmakers really need to be asking, what do you think? what do hard-working taxpayers think about this?
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joining us to answer this question and more? frank lund. he posted this to a bipartisan group of americans. >> the public wants it solved and in the right way. it starts at border security. no compromise on that. second, enforcement. >> can i stop you thousan, thog? that's the part they are having the most trouble with. >> we want to know whether it's high skilled or low skilled, this will do something to create jobs and make the economy stronger. and they overwhelmingly support the dream act and overwhelmingly support these kinds of reforms, it makes common sense. i'm willing to -- it.
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>> and they cannot get to the back of the line. and after we have verified that the border is secure. >> that is what actually the chair is promoting on the house side. the judiciary committee is responsible for this. his message, not just to republicans, but nationwide. >> let's role this. >> we're a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. and we have to make sure that we find a -- a way to bring apeopl who are not here lawfully and out of shadows can be done, but only if we can assure them the last time we did major immigration reform in 1986 doesn't happen again. legal inflation and green cards for 3 million or 4 million people, but never got the
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enforcement of employer sanctions, the method of helping employers in a sound way determine who is lawfully here and can accept deployment. >> interesting. >> they work them with republicans and democrats. everybody wants enforcement, and everybody wants accountability. >> and the congressman glado of texas, and this is pretty interesting, those were high numbers. let's see what he did. >> i represent part of el paso, for example, third year in the roux, na row, has been named one of the safest cities in the country. for me border security many times turns out to be economic development, put more people on the border, small towns on the texas border, you certainly help the local economy, buying at
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stores and contributing paying taxes. not necessarily a bad thing, but people are a little tired of tying immigration to border security in many places. >> he doesn't get it. this is something i've been watching with politicians. those talking about it in terms of illegal immigrants do badly. in the end, they didn't come back here. and those talking about an actual unit, they do well. >> let's look at what senator john mccain said. >> i would favor an approach to the issue of people who were in this country who probably should have a right to remain in this country. whether they should automatically -- i don't -- i think they should automatically get to the front of the line. ith unfair to the people in this country and legally to be ahead
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of someone who was here legally. a majority of americans would agree with that, even a large number in the hispanic community. >> the dream act, i want to make it clear to viewers, the idea of kids brought here through no fault of their own, nobody wants to punish them or sewn them back, they should have a path to citizenship, they are here through no fault of their own. it's different with other immigrants and in the enenend, sean, it has to help the american economy. why not bifurcate this? control the border, do it expeditiously and do with the 11 million separately after. we get spending cuts and tax increases. you always get the tax kris and spending cut. you get the amnesty and not the border security. >> fighting in the house over whether to include obama care over the 11 million. that will completely bust, blow it up. >> i want to invite people to
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participate in focus groups. go to lundsglobal.com, sign up, we'll have several dozen over the next two months, and they will get a chance to participate. >> by the way, a reminder, rough on the crowd. up close and personal. >> i am so gentle. >> you are a lot of things, you are not gentle. food to see you. >> and still ahead on "hannity" -- >> we believe that the state of nuclear weapons is inevitable, in some way we are admitting to ourselves that the use of nuclear weapons is inevitable. >> to denounce a call for cooperation is a cowardly thing to do. >> alec baldwin and his liberal friends are calling on the president to forfeit the nuclear arsenal. we will show you that dangerous public announcement in its entirety, and i will respond.
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welcome back to "hannity." as the civil war wages out of control in syria, the president announced he will provide military support to rebels, we're trying to outst syria president assaad. we're learning thousands of the rebels are part of the al nasra terrorist group. the group in syria, the most powerfully armed group in
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existence today. why is the story important? if militants overthrow the assad recommendations ooe recommendations oo regime, does that mean the u.s. has handed an entire country to al qaeda? joining us now, the author of a brand new book, why john roberts was wrong about health care. a member of the armed services committee, utah senator mike leigh. how are you, sir? >> hi, sean. >> we have understandable concerns, we don't want weapons used against us and against our allies. a lot of questions asked and answered before anyone considering this. we have a lot of opposition, russians saying that they cannot, will not, tolerate a
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no-fly zone in syria, and yet that's where a lot of discussions are going. iran, sending 4,000 pairs of boots to this region. this could become a regional or global conflict very quickly and we need to ask a lot of questions before we can proceed. >> humanitarian disaster. 4 million people displaced. 100,000 people killed in the process here. the question now is are we -- are we making a mistake -- sure, we want assad out, but who takes over if he goes? will it be another radical islamist state in the middle east? >> that's exactly my concern, what i'm saying, we don't know who would take over. no question that assad is a bad guy and we would rather not have him there, rather not have anyone like him in power anywhere in the world. who is going to replace him? i don't thank we've adequately vetted these groups part of the
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rebel opposition force to know who would take over and whether or not they would be friendly at all to the united states or our allies in the event they pro-ed victorious at the end of the day. >> anything you hear that the president is proposing here that will actually have an impact on the outcome of this, or just sort of dipping his toe in the water to act like he's concerned. >> it would be nice, first of all, to hear from the president personally and not from those working several rungs down on the ladder and have it debated and discussed in congress where it should be. look, if we are going to have military involvement in syria, there needs to be an active congress activated that. unlike the quasi notice that congress was given when we went to libya, where it was sort of a drive-by, after the fact notification of four members of congress. the president need to exercise some leadership, leadership
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which is noticeably absent to this point. >> the outside influences for assad between russia, iran and hezbollah and the other groups helping. it seems like they were all in. will we have the same outcome we had in egypt. >> we could have similar outcome and in some respects, it could be much, much worse. look, assad has a lot of things hinted him. that we have various groups that have pledged loyalty to al qaeda. will they receive u.s. weaponry? other forms of u.s. military assistance? these are questions that have to be answered, and to my knowledge, they haven't been. >> senator mike lee. interesting to watch the criticism come your way.
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they don't like the conservative rising stars. >> good to see up. up next, left-wing lunatics and hypocrites in hollywood are calling on president obama to forfeit the nuclear arsenal. i will explain why this is an awful idea, next. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner,
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finally tonight, left wing hollywood liberals are at it again. they joined forces in a new public service announcement to demand that president obama forquit, give up, the nuclear arsenal. hollywood liberals have their own security guards, but don't want you to have the right of the second amendment. they talk about global warming and carbon footprints. how many hollywood stars travel
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in private jets like al gore and leonardo dicaprio. they seem to have forgotten in the last century alone, 100 million human souls, when you look at nazis, killing fields in cambodia, and they seem to forget that evil exists in our time today, so they came up with this stupidity. >> today, i say clearly and with conviction, america's commitment to seek the peace of security of a world without nuclear weapons. >> a world without nuclear weapons. >> this matters to people everywhere. >> some argue that the spread of these weapons cannot be stopped. cannot be checked. that's fatalism is a deadly adversary. >> for if we believe the spread of nuclear weapons is inevitable. >> then in some way, we are
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admitting to ourselves that we need to use nuclear weapons. >> wars begin. >> that's where human presence ends. >> make no mistake. >> when we fail to pursue peace. >> then it stays forever beyond our grasp. >> forever beyond our grasp. >> it will take patience. >> and persistence. >> but we must ignore the voice that tells us. >> humans cannot change. >> let's bridge our divisions. >> build upon our hopes. >> accept our responsibility, to leave this world. >> to leave this world. >> more prosperous. >> more prosperous. >> and more peaceful than we found it. >> more peaceful than we found it. >> my name is alec baldwin. >> my name is naomi watts, martin sheen, robert did did ni.
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and i demand zero. zero, zero. >> i demand zero. >> zero, zero. >> i demand zero. >> my name is michael douglas, and i demand zero. >> the world must stand together to prevent the spread of these weapons. >> you know, hollywood liberals twine pea define peace the absence of war. i twidefine peace as the abilito defend yourself and your family. good, honest people should have the right to keep and bear arms and evil dictators have popped up throughout history and don't respect human life, and the best way to defend ourselves is to have a deterrent. >> they've got it backward, as usual. that is all the time we have left this evening, as always, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled.
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greta next to go on the record. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. fwreta, take it away. tonight, well, hold on to your seats, the irs targeting scandal just got worse. >> targeting of tea party groups was taking place at headquarters in washington and nobody is going to convince me that obama is not involved. investigator is now focusing on the role of holly paz, a senior irs official based on washington, saying she was in on the plan to give extra scrutiny to conservative groups. >> she told congressional investigators she reviewed 20 to 30 investigations back to 2010 and some went unanswered for more than a year. >> she sat in on every -- almost every interview the attorney general with
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