democrat is going to stop it. no republican. no liberal. no conservative. we must stop killing ourselves. >> give yourself a big handzus . as always thank you for being with us and we'll see you back here soon. the case has been made. we've got to a big intrusive government. irs, nsa, you name it. >> the irs targeting of tea party groups was taking place at headquarters in washington, and there is nobody that's going don vince me that obama was not involved. >> the indictment by the tea party of big government has been validated by the way they've been treated. >> i think the president leads in two fashions. he has the legal authority by being elected but you also need moral authority, and think this constellation of scandals, really he's losing his moral authority to lead the nation. >> the nsa leak is one of many

scandals that has take an toll on the president's popularity. the president's approval rating fell 8 points in one month. >> we have not seen this kind of intense evidence of obama losing approval, losing popularity, and losing support. >> the problem is the guy has lost being forth right and honest. he's got no credibility. >> the president is bankrupt on the trust factor. people are appalled at what's going on in the government, so why should they trust them? >> this is an "on the record" special. government power grab. too big? too powerful? what's the endgame. john stosle joins us. nice to see you. >> and you, greta. >> here's the loaded question right off the top. what's wrong with our government and how would you handle it? >> i would shrink it. i'm stunned by the things that

tick me off most are not even on the current list of stuff that you introduced this segment with. i mean government employees, 22 million people. they've been on a power grab for the last 70 years. >> senator mcconnell has said that the obama administration has created a culture of intimidation. first is he right, and secondly is it the obama administration or is it just the government? and this has been going on for some time? >> well, the obama administration seems to have stretched it a bit and the irs is certainly a culture of immigration. but on my web page i published a hundred things i hate about the government that don't even include the nsa scandal because this has been going on for years from the drug war to telling parents what schools their kids must go to to corporate welfare. every year government grows, they have 175,000 criminal laws

now, the feds alone, that nobody can keep track of, but you go to jail if you don't obey them. government has gone way beyond overreach. >> all right. we have a situation like we reported the other night how the government agriculture department is supplying meanting income for wineries and at the same time they're cutting money for women, infants, and children. there's sort of the insanity of it. we've got a tax code that no one fills out his or her own tax return because no one can figure out the tax code but how did we get to the 100 things you hate about the government on your web page and all these other things. do they just creep up on us? >> yes, because no one goes to washington and brags about what they repealed. they all think -- and the government seems to support it. maybe now there's taping point. they have to do more. the regulator isn't thinking he's doing his job unless he adds regulations. no kid says politician on the

class trip, geez, sir, what laws did you repeal. they say what laws have you passed. >> the president has an approval rate of about 50%. by the way, 25% of the people are satisfied the direction the government is going. do we read into that that it's really sort of the dissatisfaction with congress or is the president complicit in this? does he shoulder some of the plame for the direction of the government? >> well, he certainly shoulders blame for making it still bigger than bush did. bush deserves some of the blame. but, yeah. i'm not good at the politics of it. i leave that to you and the other experts. but they have all been complicit so far. >> all right. so we have a power grab, you agree with that, it's been creeping up on us. >> people like power when they can expert power over other people. they like it. and as lord acton says, power

tends to corrupt. >> so what's the endgame? if this has sort of been creeping up on us and people are grabbing power inclees ireasini what's the endgame? >> pass the stossel rule. for every ten laws toss an old one. they say it's the gnarl progress of things for government to grow and liberty to yield and that is what's happened. fortunately so far the economy has grown as fast as government harks but as medicare goes broke, i fear that's not going to keep happening and we're in big trouble unless we cut back big. why do we need a commerce department? commerce just happens. why do we need any agriculture department? none of these farmers should get subsidy. they should compete in the free market like all do. they should get rid of the agencies. >> what do you think of the tea

party? >> god bless many of them get this and that's probably our best hope for stopping it. >> as always, thank you. >> thanks, greta. >> speaking of the tea party, the tea party has had this weak tea party protesters storming capitol hill. thousands of angry taxpayers railing against the irs and the obama administration. grif jenkins was there. >> do you believe what's going on with the irs is wrong? do you believe it's an abuse of your personal freedom? >> yeah. ♪ >> what's this about what is the message here? >> this is our audit the irs rally. we're here and we're not going to be silenced. we're not going to let the government stop us from petitioning the government, and we're going to continue to assemble. >> what's the message and what do you make of this irs situation? >> i think it's fraud. i think people should be going

to jail. >> the american people have to open up their ears. our message sells itself. our message is the constitution and everything that made this country great, and we are shredding that constitution before our very eyes. >> who do you think is responsible? why do you think the irs is doing this and has these problems? >> i think it comes from top down. >> the irs is out of control obviously, and it should be reigned in. >> damn you, do your jobs! >> do your jobs. do your jobs. >> twhank happened here was an abuse of government power to squelch the average american, and to limit our freedoms and what we've got here is a total abuse of power by our government. they forgot who they work for. >> i don't think it's time to move on. when you have a top official,

lois lerner, plead the fifth, i don't think it's time to move on. i think it's time to dig further and find the truth. >> some say it's time to abolish the irs completely. is the cause re-energizing the tea party? we spoke with dana lash, host of the dana show. dana, nice to see you. >> nice to see you, greta. thanks for having me back. >> in light of all that's going on with the irs, targeting the tea party groups, is the tea party more fired up, as is, or is it less fired up? >> it seems to me it's tea party 2.0. it seems after the election everyone went into a lull. a lot of people who never went into politics before they were burned out. they don't live it and breathe it like some of us political nerds do. there's a lot of nermg and synergy and with the irs, thing

this has attract add lot of individuals before who were maybe perhaps put off by the tea party, some of what they heard and the leftist media and the message they had about the tea party. people are realizing this is about limited government. we're even warning our brethren on the left, so to speak, that, look, this should scare you. what happens if you get republicans in the white house? they could use these statement things against you as are being used against us. >> are you getting republican from the republicans? are you getting respect from the democrats or even the federal government or do they see you as around annoyance, tea party? >> i think some will always see it as an announce. we're sort of like the little gnat that's buzzing around. there are some who don't like us. we even been called wacko birds by senator john maclean and worse on the lefrts by elected democrat officials. that meaning we're doing our job. we're getting under their skin.

we have an antagonistic relationship with them. not maliciously sew. to have a relationship in the best interest of the people. we're here to blind them of that. >> you say it's not a malicious relationship, but certainly in light of the fact that irs specifically targeted you -- i mean they're not targeting the roast us. they're targeting the tea party. i mean it is quite direct it. is a message from the federal government. they've got a message for you. >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i mean these weren't progressive groups, and i know there are some democrats. i think it was chuck schumer and dianne feinstein and perhaps some others who said, well, there were a couple of other groups targeted. we're talking about over 500 tea party groups that have been denied or had their tax exempt applications drawn out in a song and dance that's lasted the last several years. they didn't use the term tea party or patriot. bolo, be on the lookout, was a

memo specifically put out by the irs. they say these are terms these groups are using to disciple themselves and you need to look out for these terms. what the government said was be on the lookout for the tea party. >> which politicians really sort of get you? i'm sure politicians do a little pandering to you and try to get the tea party vote. which politicians do you think really get you? >> that's a really great question. there are certainly some who are a little bit antagonistic. i know mitch mcconnell has been kind of antagonistic toward the tea party and now because he's facing relection, he's like the biggest conservative in the world. i would say by and large the folks who have been really, really consistent, representative michele bachmann, steve king, tom price, mike lee, ted cruz. these are individuals who -- pat toomey, who from the very beginning either from the beginning of the movement or from the beginning of their team as a public official have really

understood the goal and the message of the grassroots movement, and they -- they've listened to the people, and that's all that grassroots has ever wanted. they don't want politicians in their pocket. they just want the politicians to listen. again, it comes back to that con sent of the governed. >> is there one sort of, i guess, on the wish list, who do you think right now if the tea party could select one to run for president, who do you think would be sort of the one that would be most appreciated by the tea party to run? >> well, mine i have my personal picks. thing do you're going to get a varied answer from the tea party depending on who you speak with. i have a number of people i'd like to see take a run for it. a lot can happen between now and 2016 so i'm a little bit hesitant, but i would say i would love to see -- gosh, that's tough. i would love to see rand paul thrown into the mix or ted cruz thrown in the mix. there are some good folks throughout that would do grassroots proud and we the

people pretty proud. >> dana, always nice to see you it's long way off from 2016 but it's always fascinating to talk about it and see how it unfolds. nice to see you. >> exactly. thanks, greta. >> as if tea partying line dancing are not enough, it's sparking outrage. what is it this time? the irs planned to pay $70 million in bonuses to its employees. >> washington wants a powerful irs. >> there are new questions about the irs as the agency is getting ready to pay out $70 million in bonuses. >> what e were seeing is the arrogance of big government. >> it's another reason we need to either abolish the irs or diminish it in size to the point where it won't really resemble what it is right now. >> now they're going to get $70 million in bonuses at a time when government agencies are getting cuts. >> when chuck grassley makes a letter against the bonuses,

quote, the office of management and budget directs that discretionary monetary awards should not be issued while sequestration is in place unless issuance of such awards is legally required, end quote. >> the irs is saying it has a legal obligation to comply with its collective bargaining agreement. >> you should only be el image fshl a bonus if you do something that exceedingly surpasses the expectati expectations. the irs is had not exceeded any rude men trir level of expectati expectations. >> steven from the "associated press" joins us. nice to see you. >> thank you. nice to be here. >> all right. are the $70 million in bonuses as far as we know going forward? >> right now the irs is telling me they're still negotiating with the union. earlier this week chuck grassley, they found out that the irs was plan gog ahead and pay these bonuses.

the union negotiating these bonuses with the agency back when they did their contract, an & when the sequestration went into effect, the automatic spending cuts that the federal government imposed, they sent out a memo saying agencies were not supposed to pay discretionary bonuses to employees during the sequestration. interestingly the white house budget official who wrote that memo by the name of danny werfel who has since been named the acting commissioner of the irs. part of that memo does say if you're required by law to pay the bonuses, you have to. so there is a contract between the employees at the irs and the agency, and that contract called for the bonuses. there is a clause in there, however, that would allow for some renegotiation if the agency were to pull back and decide not to pay them. >> if the bonus is not discre

discretiona discretionary, why would they say it's not warranted? >> it depends on what you mean by discretion nair. if it says in the contract they have to pay kpks amount -- >> there's got to be some element of merit. look, i know not everybody was part of the line dancing or part of the 2,600 employees who were partying out in california and i might add that the $50 million they spent in two years on conferences is because they onto audited two years. nobody ever spoke up. maybe it's unfair to punish everybody in a group. everybody just looked the other way as this organization, this irs is replete with just horrible rotten things. >> sure. this is bad timing for the irs for this to come up. the agency is under incredible scrutiny from congress, justice, and the american people. on the other side, the eun ron will say, look, they negotiated compensation for their employees. when they negotiating this contract, they decided to set

aside a portion of their pay for a pool to play employee bonuses. >> are they on a different pay scale than other employees, let's say the government employees at the department of justice or commerce, are they on a different pay scale? >> i'm not terribly familiar. as i understand as far as the whole ranking system, i believe that's across the federal civilian work force i can't imagine why they would agree to be paid less. what's their -- why do they get a bonus? bonus means they did something special. what is the marker that they did something special, to earn a bonus? >> the way the contract reads each gets grade every year on their performance and there's a pool for performance bonuses. and if you finish in the top 55% of your grades in your pool, then you're eligible for a bonus. >> who grades? is it the honor system? who grades? >> i believe the supervisors do

the grading. >> supervisors do the grading? >> that's how i read the contract, yes. >> i don't know. i think for some reason there could be some digging in there a little deeper within the irs to figure it out. i can't imagine that everyone elis eligible for a bonus. thank you. straight ahead, it's not at a trick question. if you do not trust the irs with your money, do you thrurust the with your health care. plus defending snooping in the name of fighting terror. how far will the government take its spying power? that's coming up.

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beginning. now we're going to have 16,000 new irs agents implementing obama when they can't implea mnlts a nonprofit status. i think america needs to take a look at what's happening nationwide in this country because we're going to wake up and not realize what country we're in. >> seeing the ineptitude in the past few days, the past few weeks with the irs and not being able to process a few applications, ho in the world are they going to control the medical benefits of america. it's scary. >> the fact that they're going to take over our health care, we've got to a government -- they're not even from the government. this is -- they don't have the power to do what they do. they were not given that power. and they need -- the american people need to take that back. we do not need them running health care when they can't even manage their own checkbook.

>> he joins us. good evening, sir. >> hey, greta. good to be with you. >> it's a good argument that the irs can't process applications. some they sit on. some were pretty nasty targeting groups, so how would the obama administration or irs defend itself against that, do you think. >> well, this is the concern the folks had and you passion out there on the west lawn of the capitol this week. look, a fundamental principle of our society is people have to trust the government. right now nobody trusts the irs to do what they're doing currently and let alone the job they've been assigned through the aca, the president's health care law, to enforce that law, and we don't trust them, so we've introduced a bill to say the irs may not enforce or immr. ement any portion of the obama care. we've gotten huge support within the congress and i think we ought to pass that bill. >> all right. the bill -- it may pass the

house, it's probably going to be dead on ariechbl in the senate. it's not going to be signed at the white house, but it certainly is spawning some debate. but just so i'm sure, the they this is set up now, the irs will be implementing the tax penalty and the mandates. i won't actually be telling whether or not you can get a colonoscopy, a heart transplant, or an antibiotic, right? >> you don't know the answer to that. i asked a committee a couple of weeks ago, steve miller, acting commissioner at the time. he said he was pn't certain. he said he didn't think it would be necessary, but not necessary is exactly the language he used when they went after and targeted surgeries in our society. who knows. if the irs is in charge of determining whether your health coverage sat is fies the government then they've got to know what your health coverage is and all sorts of things go into your health coverage in the decisions you make for yourself and your family. do we want the irs knowing that information?

i certainly don't and i don't believe the majority of americans do either. >> if you love obama care and you support it and if you really want it -- it's even extraordinary to think that the irs is going to effectively deliver it. even if you get them off the hook for the targeting of conservative groups, they have shown over and over to be inept and be very poor stewards of our money by virtue of the fact that they spent money on parties. those aren't audits. those are parties. they want receipts from everybody else and so we're sort of turning that over to an organization that's not particularly shown itself to be efficient or fair or good stewards. >> you're absolutely right. i think what they did. they targeted conservative groups, they targeted folks that were not politically consistent with what this government -- big government want some of what's to keep them? they can't challenge or target all individuals regarding their health coverage. what's too cope them from targeting conservative groups or

individuals to see whether or not they're due penalties or interest rates on what kind of helmet coverage they have or don't have? that's the concern we all have. >> but even if you give them the best possible look, say there are five or six people at the irs that went rogue wlrks it's in washington or cincinnati or whatever, the conferences alone hat 2,600-plus managers and you figured five people in the office knew 2,600 were going. you multiply that by five and probably ten knew. so all these people were so well aware of it. the pool is so big of who's inept. forget the five rogue or 10 or 20 or whoever knew. thousands must have known about the conference. >> right. you're absolutely right. and this is a culture at the irs. it's clearly not just a few individuals. it's a culture that says the government knows best and government has the right to know everything about you, and, in fact, it can target individuals or donors or groups of individuals that's what's wrong and we ought not allow the irs

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supposed to have all these federal exchanges set up to the extent the states aren't doing it themselves. >> yes. >> how are they doing? >> the report was mixed. they said we're going have to watch the deadlines to come in the next couple of months to know whether the administration is ready october 1st. that's important because that's when the unin shirred are going to begin enrolling in these marketplaces. if they're not ready, they're going to be running into a brick wall when they tried to get insurance and they're going to be very unhappy. >> doesn't every state have the same set up? what's the problem? i would assume the states are similar. >> a lot of the states are similar but the problem is the insurance rate is regulated at each level. the obama administration has to go in and pick plans from all the states. if i'm enrolling in mississippi, my options are going to be different than a person in d.c. and maryland. that's the problem. the obama administration is not aware of the local insurance dynamics. >> it's not going to be that

difficult in the state of washington. there's only one insurance company who's willing to join. >> i think the obama administration is hoping they can convince more insurance companies so they can offer people choice. that's the whole idea. >> if there's not choice, is the price going to be stiffer? there's no competition to drive a price down. if there's only one insurance company and one state you're pretty cooked. >> that's right. but the administration is saying there's still time for the insurance companies to offer plans on the exchanges. frankly i talked to sources who say we're not going to know whether they work for another year. ite goes doing be spring 2015 when we can see whether the problems are solved. >> the whole idea -- the obama administration thought all the states were going to jump on this. they then sort of got caught with their pants down. now, i take it that everyone at the white house is not setting up these exchanges nor everyone on capitol hill. they actually outsource this to

other -- to people, right, to set these up. >> that right. >> who's making a big killing on that? >> there's a lot of people. private contractors. wheel who worked on the massachusetts exchange, romney care. they're helping tout fid real government set up the exchanges. >> i read one qualities of ware services of maryland got paid $55 million. i'm curious. are these even bid contracts? are we trying to get a good deal on them? >> i think they are good contracts. i know booz allen hamilton, which we heard about a lot is another one helping out. >> they really helped us out with snowden. thank you very much. thank you. >> thanks, greta. coming up, general keith alexander, how does he answer to critics who say the government's gone way too far. that's next. and senator rand paul calling the government suiting an all-out assault. you're going to hear what else senator paul had to say coming up. the kyocera torque lets you hear and be heard

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live from america's news headquarters i'm mary ann rafferty. edward snowden leaked documents about secret surveillance programs. he's also charged with theft of government property. snowden's who's believed to be hide ought in hong kong is admitted to have provided information to the media. it's sparked world wide debate over the nsa to infringe on people's privacy. a small town devastated by a fertilizer plant explosion in april is now suing the plant owners and suppliers. they sear seeking damages. the fire at the plant ignited the explosive chemical killing 15 people, many of them firefighters. i'm marianne rafferty, now back to "on the record." for your latest news go to

foxnews.com. this week nsa director general keith alexander staunchly defending the government's programs. the secret surveillance has foiled dozens of terror plots. >> i believe we have achieved this security in a relative safety in the way it does not compromise the civil liberties of our citizens. >> does the nsa have the ability to listen to american's phone calls or read their e-mails under these two programs? >> no, we do not have that authority. >> does the technology exist at the nsa to flip a switch by some analyst to listen to americans' phone calls and read i'ms? >> no. in recent years these programs together with other ill ten jealous programs have protected our all lies from terrorist threats across the globe to include helping prevent the potential terrorist events over

50 times since 9/11. >> does the nsa read the text messages of american citizens? >> again, we do not target the content of u.s. personal communications without a specific washlt anywhere on the earth. >> nsa may not target the phone calls or e-mails any u.s. person anywhere in the world without individualized court orders. >> i really hope you'll elucidate for us specifically case by case how many stopped terrorist attacks were those programs 215 essential to. >> think you ask an almost impossible question to say how important each was. what i c is post-9/11 i don't recognize the fbi i came into 26 years ago. our mission is to stop terrorism, to prevent it. not after the fact. prevent it before it happens in the united states. >> final question, mr. joyce, what's next for mr. snowden we can expect? >> justice. >> and thereafter hearing,

reporters including our griff jenkins trying to get more answers from the nsa director. >> what's next? >> you'll see. >> are you going to reveal classified information? >> we're going to reveal more nofgs the public on the -- some of the terrorist plots and how we oversee the programs and the compliance that we use for them. >> general, how long have you been collecting data? >> this way? >> no. >> could you tell us how long you've been collecting the data? >> come on, guys. watch out. >> we're in here. >> refresh my memory. how long have you been collecting the data? general, can i ask you? what do you say your critics

like senator rand paul who say what you're doing is violating the constitution and overreaching the government? >> i would tell you everybody has a difference of opinion, but i'd just tell you that dorts, the administration, and congress all agree to what we said. thank you. >> and finally -- >> excuse me, sir. >> you spoke of the rigorous oversight. i'd just ask you about snowden specifically. how did you not know about snowden? how many more of a thousand like him also will make the same claims to access? >> that's something that causes me a lot of concern and we do have to look into it. i don't have an answer for that now. that's something the fbi -- thank you. >> thank, you general. >> once again, general alexander defending the government's power to collect information from secret surveillance. so what does senator rand paul have to say? >> i think your questioning gets to therux of the problem, is the court order constitutional, is it constitutional for the court to take records without

the permission of the individual or without a judge's warrant targeted toward an individual. my reading of the fourth amendment is our person and our things are ours and only a judicial warrant on probable cause can take them. now, some of the courts for years have said, oh, if you give your records to a bank or a phone company, they're no longer yours. i disagree with those decisions and think they need to be revisited, particularly in this digital age. so technically, yes, they did get a court order. technically, yes, some people in congress approved of this. but really it wasn't widespread and they also lied to congress and said they weren't taking lots of millions of bits of americans' information. it turns out they were taking billions of phone call records on daily basis. so them lying us has really developed a credibility gap. >> you mentioned the line to congress. i assume what you mechbt specifically, correct me if i'm wrong, is dna clapper, his

questions back in march. so my question is should he resign, and if he doesn't resign, should the president fire him. if the president doesn't fire him, what's the statement to us? >> well, the thing is the president's really hurting in a big way right now. i think he's losing the moral authority to lead the nation because we had the irs scandal. then he targeted fox reporters and ap reporters. the benghazi investigation, no one was fired. and now we have this snooping where his director of national intelligence looks at the senate and says i'm not keeping or collecting any americans' information, and it turns out it was just a bald-faced lie. and so, yes, i think he's lost his credibility. i don't know how he can regain his credibility when he lied outright to congress and it's, frankly, against the law. so, no, i think we need a new director of national int intelligence and the longer the president keeps him on board, the more it's going to sap the

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>> greta: attorney general holder giving congress some answers but is not out of hot batter not yet. holder testified about the doj snooping on journalists. republicans were not satisfied and demanded more. sending a letter. >> the attorney general answers the questions in detail. we're pleased that he's done

so. we don't know why it took as long as it did. the answers contain issues we need to raise with the attorney general. first of all we understand that he approved of the warrant that was issued in the matter but he did not read the affidavit that made the serious allegations against mr. rosen that. leads to the question of why it is that the jus tis department does not have a written policy about reporters nor sit clear what the department spogs with regard to the privacy act seeming to provide protection that was not honored in the manner in which they conducted the rosen case so we have a lot to talk about when he comes to the hill sometime before next week. >> more trouble ahead for

holder? rick klein joins us. and that is outrageous they're going to meet with him behind closes doors. but is he in hot water? >> he is. he went to congress and said that he was never involved in po taen shall leak investigation that's targeted journalists. the prosecution of journalists is never something he was involved in. it's in black and white. they suspected that a fox news journalist was involved in this. >> he says it was an investigation, not a prosecution. just an investigation. though whatever is ignoring it is the fact is that when he testified he said potential prosecution. that is a word now they're apparently trying to slip away from. >> it's supposed to be very hard to prosecute journalists for doing their jobs it's not supposed to be an easy thing to do to grab a journalists e

mail. you have to have a good reason. it's not gay enough reason according to the law to just know that that person is getting information from people that aren't authorized. that is why you say someone is a potential co-conspirator. >> there is no potential now saying it wasn't a prosecution investigation what is the justification for the committee to meet behind closed doors? >> this probably will be at some point. >> greta: how does congress justify not doing it from the begin something this is national security. what did he say? why did he say it? >> what happens that they'll explain this and then do knit

a public forum later. i know that ais going to happen. >> greta: i think it makes it look too cozy and i think the american people if they decide to get stories straight to do this, but, whatever. >> you can say a lot of things about holder's wrip congress, it's not cozy. >> it's nice to have it out in the hop. >> thank you. >> -- open. with the spark miles card from capital one,

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>> greta: what is going on inside of the irs? we may get answers, irs chief will appear before the house ways and means committee telling lawmakers about the findings of the new audit of the troubled irs and attorney general holder expected back but behind closed doors. the focus, is the snooping on

record. go to gretawire.com there is an open thread for to you talk about the issues. good night from washington, d.c.. up but i'm not sure. >> greta: the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> the facts are that 11 million people live in the shadows and they live here in defactor amnesty. >> we didn't secure the border back in 1986. >> i don't think it's going to happen now either. >> battle lines have been drawn in the immigration fight and a huge split in the republican party about what to do we'll have a debate. >> greatest tribute that we can pay to those who came before us is by carrying on their work to pursue peace and justice, not only in our country but for all mankind. >> laura: president obama addresses a crowd of just 5,000 people inlin this week. so where is all the fanfare gone and what does this say about america's role on the world