>> so no ranting on the twitter feed over the weekend, okay, >> that wouldn't happen. >> alec baldwin story. stay cool this weekend. >> thanks for joining us, everybody. >> fox news alert out of the florida. court is getting underway at this moment. you can see the shot on the left. it was a bombshell testimony approximate the night george zimmerman shot trayvon martin. so we'll get you up to speed on the trial that attracted more and more attention each and every day. we had opening statements and the prosecution argued that zimmerman profiled and murdered trayvon martin. and zimmerman's lawyer claims it was all self defense and slammed

later for a courtroom attempt at a homer. and day two, lawyers argued over the admissibility of the police calls he made months before the shooting and they were admitted. and a police official wo worked with zimmerman also testified on day two, and we came to day three. the woman who called 911 and the star witness, the woman on the phone with trayvon martin immediately before the confrontation between the teen and zimmerman. her testimony was compelling if not consistent. and martin when she spoke to him on the phone appeared to be scared and talked about being followed. day four, that same friend returned to the witness stand and challenged by the defense about the inconsistencies and she was rather formal and

different rachel that we saw. today is day five, we heard from a neighbor this morning and may have been the person with the best vow of the struggle between the two men and neighborhood described it as a teenager on top and zimmerman on the ground. phil keating joins us live in the seminole county courthouse. in the criminal justice center and another interesting day, phil? >> absolutely. and critical testimony from john good as we are now return nothing court after a 90 minute lunch break this friday. the prosecution called john good, the neighbor who heard and watched the fight outside of his back to convince the jury that george zimmerman's claim that his life was in immediate danger was exaggerated and that his use of deadly force not justified. the neighbor and witness john

good described the guy as fighting mma style short for mixed martial arts. the jury saw the original stick figures as they piece together how a 17 year old died from a bullet in the chest. they used the witness to challenge the alibi and self defense claim from george zimmerman who was having his skull pounded in the side walk by trayvon mart and i know that's when he pulled out the pistol. >> did you see the person on top pick up the person from the bottom and slam them in the concrete? >> no. >> did you see the person on top slamming the person's on the bottom head on the concrete over and over. >> no. >> did you see the person on top grab the person on the bottom person's head and slam them in the concrete. >> during cross examination. the attorney got down on the

floor to demonstrate how the witness remembered seeing zimmerman and martin on the grass and side walk. trayvon was on top and who was screaming for help. >> you believe that that was george zimmerman's voice. correct? >> i never said that. >> i was not 100 percent sure. >> i am not asking you 100 percent certainty. would you tell us that you think it was george zimmerman's voice. >> that is just my opinion. >> both sides, both sides scoring points with good. and in redirect good was saying number one, he only saws if moving and never saw a s if connect with skin or a face. we are now returning with the first witness on the stand right now. and we are with johnathon. >> and thank you, we'll not be

done with this yet. coming up later in the she, if prosecution's star witness rachel did she help or hurt the state's case? we'll look at the testimony in which we were talking about with phil on the fight and the struggle that ensued between zimmerman and martin. which side benefits from john good's testimony and his account of that deadly night, really, really compelling. >> yes, she has a fifth amendment right to remain silent and sat there and could have said nothing. we had a witness this week who did it. a witness who said nothing. she didn't. she made nine separate factual assertions and then she authtenticated a document. if that is not wafer, if that is not express wafer, then surely it is implied wafer and if it is not implied wafer what is?

>> tray goudy has been fired up about. that breaking news in the irs political targeting scandal. he was venting about the irs manager lois lerner before they approved a resolution that declared the irs official actually waived her fifth amendment right when she delivered the opening statement and declared her innocence and let's listen to this live. >> you are not conducting interviews and you don't know answers to the key questions and yet in your report, you declare that there is no evidence of intentional wrongdoing or misconduct on the part of irs personnel. no evidence of intentional wrongdoing? >> this report is a sham. >> to the extent that there is a notion and a concern that

there is overredakz. >> this is junk. >> this is junk. >> this has no meaning. >> it might be junk or sensitive taxpayer. nooh. and that is by, chris joins me now. and chris host of power play on fox news.comlive. what do you make the resolution. we decided that she will need to come back and she did waive that right and now it is going to be open field on anything we want to ask her? >> it is going to be open field and you can tell from the congressman there that he has a lot of questions, he and the other republicans in the house oversight committee has a lot of questions to ask her and that doesn't mean she will not ask. they can't put her in prison and find her in contempt and make her envoke the fifth amendment

right again and that doesn't mean she will testify. and the more we find out what happened in the irs, the more likely it seems, that she's going to be hunkered down with her lawyers and not answering any questions for a long while. >> it is striking when you think about it in those terms. lois lerner is enjoying a paid summer vacation and we know she is available and time on her hands and it is striking. she is a public employee and paid for by the taxpayers and the questions that they want to ask her is about her job as a member and public employee. it is stunning when you look at it that way that she can't be compelled to answer those questions and no doubt her lawyer will try to convince them that she doesn't have to. >> sometimes it is helpful to have a criminal investigation going on and in this case, as the president said and the attorney general said we are

going to look into what happened in the irs. that shut everything down and it seize -- ceased to be. what is how. and it turned into a criminal probe and at which point i would like to answer your questions, congressman but because of the criminal probe i can't answer. that helps people who are under scrutiny like this and they can envoke the rights and get out from underneath them. >> the administration is in a tough spot and they claim on one hand they want to get to the bottom on this and can't tolerate this kind of screening based on your mreef system in the irs which is beholden to everybody and needs to be beyond reproach and yet the institution that oversees, a large chunk of the jurisdiction of the health care plan. they want to rip it wide open and get all of the bad stuff out

and on the other hand it is a great organization and we'll trust them with a big job. >> how would you like to have danny werful's job and in charge of overseeing the sequestration and he got a snootful from kevin brady, the republican from texas and pete roscouple when they called his report a joke. he has to go over and be the interim head in the irs. and say everything is fine. but the problem is as you say is not just what happened with the targeting of the conservative groups it is the mefesant and waste and the star trek video and all of this junk, the contract steered to friends of executives who then take the fifth. this is an agency in chrissis and they will have to look more

serious about things if they want americans to give them their trust when it comes to something like their health insurance. >> you are right. the conference we learned about. $2.4 million and people said i never seen anything like that and no party like that put on by the government. it must have been a great time while it lasted, chris, thank you for much. >> and coming up just a head. after turning to hollywood and nba and nfl to promote obama care for the americans and we'll she you the poll numbers, feds are now using a new group to sell the message that obama care is a great thing. these folks stand four feet tall, like that little guy right there and wait until you see this. >> and another round of companies severing ties with paula deen today. and how her fans are fighting back in support of her and we have breaking news from the

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>> the fox news alert. dramatic new video out of the egypt, a short while ago. look at pictures. supporters of president humidity mursy opening fire on anti- government protestors. 16 people were hurt. as far as we know at this point. the two groups going at it in the streets of alexandri a. the government trying to disperse the crowds. it could be the worst riot since met mu barak was drin from power two years ago.

good to have you here. this weekend, there are large protest planned in carotene. and you have thousands of people coming in the street was ca iro and the government firing at profesters. what is happening? >> it is important to take a step back. ev revolutional play. they got together and toppled mubarrack. and then the rebels turn to govern and they start fighting with each other. muslim brotherhood and humidity morsi shoved the other groups. and now they are in charge. act three is somebody emerges from this potentially chaos for a long time and ultimately somebody emerges. and why is it so bad for egypt and the muslim brotherhood in >> they have totally mismanaged the economy.

the economy flat lined and no tourism and foreign investment and wealthy egyptians are leaving and taking the money with them and now to the point the anti- government are going to the streets on sunday. the pro- government demonstrators mursi is sending his people out to preempt the demonstration and the big swing is the egyptian army. no one knows. >> they were on the side of mubarak and we are told that hosany or mursi was democratally elected and the muslim brotherhood was put in place and they are not governing well and people are starving and they are concerned about food shortages and we have seen where that leads. >> it is the food shortage. egypt is the largest importer of wheat. they could run out of food by

the end of the year and you could seafood riots and add that in a volatile mix, this revolution is far from over. >> i don't know how many people realize. there are so many christians killed in egypt. and you know, hundreds by estimates. and so they are persecuting christians every single day in this country. >> and last week with coptic christians from egypt going to be a part of the demonstration, ten percent of the population and people who have been there since the early days of christ. they have been there and they have been members of that society and accepted in that society for 2,000 years and their churches are being burned. >> is there hope for them and if they are able to go to act three for a moment and look in the crystal ball. if mu barak and the muslim

brotherhood is overthrown could they have a democracy in egypt? >> there is a chance it becomes chaos. act three in this case. someone has to figure out how to run the economy. the largest country in middle east. as goes egypt goes the region. there is a lot of people without jobs and livelihoods? who will speak for them? it is it not look like anybody is right now. and the worry is that you will have another round of violent demonstration and what does the army do? supporting the mohammed mursi government and fire on the people on sunday? or does it stay neutral and support the people on the streets. you just don't know where it goes. my guess is more chaos than a resolution. >> looking in the region, syria where assad is fighting to hang on to power and we lost 100,000 people lost their lives and

egypt a potential place and perhaps turkey that could deputy a similar route? what do we do about it and what can we do? >> you don't want to be in the middle of someone else's civil war. we can give humanitarian assistance and urge countries that are in a fledgling way trying to get to democracy and urge them to get there, but at this point, these revolutions are happening in their territory with their own people. there is not a lot we can do in syria, oh, egypt or michael jordan. we are reaping what we sowed when we pulled the rug out from under the dictators and what is taking place? chaos. >> one thing that could be done is speak out in favor of democracy. you know for our president to speak out in favor of christians who are struggling for fair

democratic treatment. >> we could do that but egypt just arrested one of the people who was part of the u.s. government and prodemocracy movement. you are right to point out the christian persecution in egypt and syria. i think you will see more of this. >> thank you very much. it is a volatile situation and we'll watch over the weekend. >> have a good one. there are stunning new developments in the case of a pro football player charged with murder. new reports are surfacing now that he may be connected to another double homicide and critical testimony in the george zimmerman testimony. a neighbor who saw the whole thing took the stand. but did he help the defense more than the prosecution in this case? we'll attack you there when we come back. >> son i saw the movement going downward i turned around and went back inside. >> that's when you knew it was serious. >> it was getting serious.

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>> we are back with a new twist in the saga over paula deen and racial remarking that she made decades agoment sears and qvc and walgreens the latest companies that are parting ways with the celebrity chef over the controversey and look at this. fans are rally behind her. and she has an upcoming become that is entitled new testament and on monday it was 1800 in the ama list. and now number one. and number one. and the book is not out yet and

people preordering it on amazon and southern cooking bible is number two. there you go. very interesting. and we are tracking new developments in the murder case of nfl star aaron hernandez. right now police are searching for another suspect who they believe is armed and dangerous and very much want to talk to that man. hernandez is now behind bars and denied bail. investigators are looking bo whether hernandez is linked to another brutal double homicide and it happen in last year of july 2012 and people swarped his house and botton police were on the scene as they look for more evidence in this case. they are joining us live with the latest on this. by, what does a tragedy all around for all of these families involved. molly, what is the latest? >> absolutely, very current investigation right now authorities are seeking a third

man involved with the murder of 20-year-old odin lloyd and warn he is armed and dangerous. earnest wallace 44 years ago and goes by the name bo and fish and heavy build and wanted for accessory after the fact of murder of odin lloyd. >> they have found a silver gray car din by wallace and not saying where it was found. the alert release calls for special attention to the state was connecticut, georgia and florida and massachusetts. and now there is word from the boston fox affiliate that aaron hernandez is looked at an unsolved homicide that happen last summer. throw people had been shot, two fatally as they sat in a car at a track light. the victims were identified. and the fox 25 source said the men had just left a bar in the

area and sitting in the front seat of a vehicle when witnesses say the occupiants of a gray and silver suv opened fire on the plate with rhode island plates. and finally, another man linked to the murder of odin lloyd. 20-year-old carlos ortiz of briftol, connecticut was interviewed by investigators and told him he possessed a fire arm on the morning the victim was killed. remember that prosecutors said hernandez texted two men from connecticut to come up to massachusetts hours before the murder occurred. ortiz was in a connecticut courtroom to be transferred in the custody of the massachusetts authorities and he's expected to appear inatle borrow court for weapon's charge. >> coming up, the surviving boston bombing suspect may be getting closer to justice today.

we are learning about new details and tsarnaev's position on terrorism is revealed by what he scrawled in the boat. and we'll tell you what it said. >> and the nba and nfl and hollywood to sell the message and that is next. we have the pass the bill so you can find out what is in it. away from the fog of the controversy. ♪

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alert right now. a dangerous heatwave is sweeping the western states today and threatening to break records out there, folks. triple dig attaches in several states. it is like a furnace out there. and there were warnings earlier that the heat could restrict air travel. already it is 127 in death valley. appropriately named. 114 in phoenix and one len in las vegas and where you want to be in the casinno under the air conditioning. and they are live in the fox extreme weather center. >> i thought it was hot in new york. >> hot and humid in the east. and now the driveway heat and those kinds of temperatures. it doesn't matter. your oven is hot and you are right.

planes have a hard time taking off because the air is dense and it changes the lift that the planes get and that happen in phoenix today getting to 118. it is hot in the south. 104 in dallas. it is a dry heat. it doesn't matter it is dangerous and doesn't take long until you get heat stroke and that is part of the concern and people can't afford to keep the a c going. check in on your friends and neighbors. and look at all of the area that has expressive heat warnings in affect. that is a big problem for us and look at what happens today. colorado river valley. 125 around the area. and 118 in phoenix and saturday, all of these temperatures stay the same and warping up in death valley and sunday, death valley you are at 129 degrees.

highest temperature recorded on earth 134 degrees in death valley. and we'll push 130 degrees this weekend. >> unbelievable. we'll be watching. it >> we have breaking news from washington in the obama's administration efforts to sell the health care law to the people. associated press issuing a new report saying the nation's li brarians are helped recured to sign people up. this comes days after hollywood and nfl and nba and now school kids are recruited to help promote the law. a spokeswoman for the los angeles school district saying teens are part of a pilot program to test whether young people can be trained as messengers to deliver outreach and limited education to family and friends in and around their home. we'll have the radio talk she. chris plant, host of the chris plant she.

and welcome to you both. chris, you have to get the word out and so what is wrong with this? >> yeah, what is wrong with this? originally implemented in north korea it was a better idea. >> oh. >> the nfl and nba, i have some free pr advice for them. don't latch on to unpopular government programs and put yourself in the middle of this state versus the people argument. it is a bad pr move on them. li brarian creepy east german and using the children in a $37 million program in california to prop beganidized children in the school system with the plan of sending them home to convince their parents to come around the point of vow of the federal government on an unpopular program is sick and crazy. it is third world banana republic nuttiness. >> it is.

>> it is very weird. when you think about your child coming home from school. one thing if you are supposed to put your fire out in the camp ground before we closeup camp or something that everyone can agree on and a good message to send home and get your family on board for. but leslie look at the poll on this. 58 percent of those polls would like to repeal this program? or keep some of it and they want to change the program as it exists, so what do you think? >> well, first of all, i live in california and 104 and cocktail and pool party for the high teches, but it is girl's only, chris. and the way you presented it, it is crazy and east german and that's not the way i see it in the la unified school district where my children go to school. in los angeles, the plan is much more popular than on the

national level and specifically southern california in the los angeles area and in the unionified school direct here in l.a. the way, the big difference between selling and informing. you have to remember the population of the unified school district here in los angeles. a lot of the students are first generation americans and many of the parents don't speak english or have english as a first language. they may be able to speak but not write it. they are having parents to understand so they will be insured and as a white of an orth pedic surgeon it is with health for our children and families in a preventative mind set that everybody have insurance. >> there are so many levels to look at this, chris. then million dollars. then million for a program and then goes on to explain tabs on it and people are not informed or money is misused heaven

forbid that would not happen and then they will step in and make sure the program is well run. a, the public school system. do we need to spend time on this when we have dismal reading and math numbers for starters? and number two, is it right to spend the taxpayer money in this way when half of them don't agree with the program. >> in california, it is very popular and they will only spend then million to brain wash children to brain wash parents. this is not about health care, it is government. it is the obama administration. this is going too far. the way overreach is overused. this is not america. this is not american. this is insidious and this is disturbing and leslie if it was a republican administration

propagandaizing children to tell their parents to support invasion of iraq or doing away with the department of education or the republican agenda you would not be as san 89. >> it is a controversial program and it is a decision of the administration. you know, that raises a very good question about spending money to get kids to convince their parents that it is okay. >> again, you need to look at the population. when you are look nothing los angeles and you are looking at the demographics of the student body here what you are asking for you two present information and educate your parents a, they are not going to be able to understand because they don't speak the language, or b, they are frightened of. i know you love to talk about the clip and chris and your buddies on right and nancy

pelosi and reading it. politicians left and right, if they didn't read it, do you really think that the parents are here in los angeles and other parts of the united states quite frankly? and by the way, pilot programs, although it is obama care, pilot programs have been used by the government in the past and i know it freaks people out to hear teens, but chris, i love you, but let's put the grassy nol aside. we want them to love the federal government. >> that's what it is. >> just the fact that there is an acknowledgment in the administration. this is tricky to implement and they don't sound so sang quinabout how it is going to deputy and how much money to get the message across and if you are on board with it is unworldy and problematic. lesly thank you very much and chris great to have you here. coming up, alec baldwin in the

center of a controversial new tirade on twitter and what prompted the latest meltdown from mr. baldwin and plus, a popular military figure now accused of leaking high profile secredits on attack on iran's nuclear program. we'll look at whether general james cart wright could face prosecution and the trial that is going o. 1:42 eastern time. it is the first man to talk with george jimenez in the moments after he shot trayvon martin. we'll be back and tell you what is going on in the courtroom and the big question today in this case, next. it was flat, correct. >> could you tell if he was on his back. >> he was on his back. >> at this point, what is the person wearing. the person on the top whose back is wearing. >> it was the same person on the

top when they were t- shaped to the side walk. >> i am 0. they did not change positions did they in no.

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>> the testimony came moments ago in the george zimmerman murder trial. let's listen to this. >> what caught your attention was george zimmerman?

>> yes. >> and when you saw him, there, he was breathing hard? >> yes. >> she was staggering? >> yes. >> and it looked like he had just gotten his but the beat? >> yes. >> and you approached him in >> yes. >> you were not fearful of him in >> no. >> didn't turn the other way to call the police? >> i asked him if i needed to call the police. >> i am saying yourself as you approach you anyhow there was a gun shot and you didn't turn to call the police yourself? >> right. when you got closer to mr. zimmerman, you asked him in fact, do i need to call the police? >> yes. >> and you and he told you no, i already called them or manage to that affect? >> yes. >> all right. that was testimony just moments ago. this came two days after we watched rachel, who was the girl

that martin talked to on the phone. she gave inconsistent and at times didn't seem like she was not wanting to be there and edgy at moments and we have testimony of john good win. and doug joins me now a former federal prosecutor. >> thank you. >> you said you have to be careful what you are watching in this is points being put on the board very carefully. we don't have a full picture yet in terms of the way it is going. >> no, a trial is like a roller coaster and sports contest. one team makes a play. oh, that's it and they are dominating and guess what they make a come back. i analyze trial and don't like to say this means the defense wins or prosecutor wins. it is a paint. they are like painters. prosecutors want to paint it on canvass that it was a s if

fight. you can't kill the person if you are losing. defense is painting, no, no, no. s if fight and grave risk of seriously bodily harm or death and it is hard to figure out. you can't say broken nose and lacerations and therefore he couldn't have died. who is to say. it is a hard case to handicap. >> if i am on the jury, that is the question for me. did george zimmerman have to shoot trayvon martin in order to save his own life or did he honestly believe he was going to died. he said he thought he would not walk out alive. that is the thing they are convinced of in the end if indeed they are going to convict george zimmerman for anything. >> that is the issue in the case. and tap into the jury instruction, ladies and gentlemen, if you find he was reasonably in fear for his life or grave bodily injure he had the right to defend himself.

juror's common sense will kick in and it is a tricky red herring. wait a minute, he called in to a nonemergency 911 and they said don't follow him. he caused the whole thing and he initiated it. just because he disregarded the advice doesn't moan he didn't. nsomeone keeps following me and that fills in the blanks after he made the phone call. >> we'll take a quick break and turn it over and back right back with more. hey, look! a shooting star! make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. test drive!

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we are back with doug burns, former federal prosecutor going over where we stand in the

george zimmerman/trayvon martin case. we're just saying it's all about this struggle. and what happened on the ground and whether or not the jury believes that george zimmerman was going to lose his life or was in serious danger of losing his life. i just brought up to you, you know, in the image we've got now of trayvon martin on top, and george zimmerman pinned to the ground, i'm wondering, you know, how did he get the gun out of his pocket from that position for one thing? and what do we know, what impact will it have in terms of where those bullets, you know, landed, what the trajectory was, angle was in all of that? >> that's a great point that is really endemic to the facts being brought out in more detail. in other words, if he really were pinned, we've heard terms like mma, martial arts, straddling him, he has him paralyzed in a sense. that's going to come up as we learn about the actual specific encounter and interface. it's a fascinating situation, again, not to be a broken record, because it's really in

his mind, by the way, the defendant, was it reasonable for him to conclude in his mind that he might lose his life, not to draw a fine academic distinctions, more versus whether objectively he would have lost his life which is better for the defense. in other words, it's ease city for the defence to say, ladies and gentlemen if you were to conclude it didn't objectively seem he was going to die, the reality is he was having his head knocked into the concrete and thought he was going to die. >> that's what the jury needs too be convinced of, he had no other choice at that moment than to defend himself and he had a gun. >> the other point to be made which is a legal point is once the defense puts self-defense into play in the case the prosecutors as everybody has said has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self-defense. all that is is what we lawyers call burden of proof. the point is in baseball they say the tie goes to the runner. same thing in law. if you can't tell whether it's a fistfight versus something serious. it's a tie. tie goes to the defendant. that's the point.

>> doug, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> fascinating case. we're going to continue to watch it unfold in the coming weeks. doug burns, thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. all right. attorney general eric holder, today, meeting with some of the very lawmakers who suggested that he may have lied under oath about the targeting of journalists. we've got some breaking news from inside that meeting. we're going to bring that to you just ahead. and alec baldwin, he's entertaining th ining though, r? my goodness. did you hear what he let loose? he's very protective of his wife. let me just put it that way. we'll be right back with "america live."

all right. fox news alert. a key witness has just taken the stand in the george zimmerman murder trial. welcome to a new hour of "america live" everybody. i'm martha in for megyn today. moments ago prosecutors started questioning officer ricardo aella, an officer who responded that night as trayvon martin was shot. let's listen in as he continues to describe the scene and what he saw there. >> almost dark. >> were you using a flashlight to find your way between the town homes? >> yes, sir. >> what were the weather conditions like when you arrived? >> misty, it had been raining on and off. >> and what was officer smith doing when you first arrived? >> he had a white male at gunpoint. >> did you later learn the white male's name to be george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you see that person in court this afternoon? >> yes, sir. >> judge, if you can raise the

lights, if you would. is george zimmerman the gentleman to my life? >> yes, sir. >> you're on the record to reflect the witness identified the defendant. did you have any interaction with the defendant at that point? >> no, sir. >> why not in. >> i was focused on the male that was on the ground. >> and the male that was on the ground, did you later learn that person's name to be trayvon martin? >> that's correct. >> did you go over to trayvon martin's location? >> i walked toward it. >> and how was trayvon martin's body positioned when you arrived? >> face down. his hands were underneath the body. >> and to your knowledge, were you were the first officer to approach trayvon martin? >> yes. >> did you know whether or not he was dead or alive at that point? >> i did not. >> did you know what his involvement was at that point? >> i did not. >> did you give him any commands, trayvon martin? >> wyes, i did.

>> what commands did you give him? >> i asked to see his hands. >> where were his hands when you asked to see them? >> underneath him. >> he was lies on his stomach? >> correct. >> did trayvon martin respond physically in any way to your commands? >> no, he did not. >> did trayvon martin respond verbally in any way to your commands? >> no, he did not. >> did you see any movement from trayvon martin's body? >> i did not. >> did you hear any sounds from trayvon martin's body? >> i did not. >> did other sanford police department officers approach you and trayvon martin while you were giving him those commands or shortly thereafter? >> sergeant raimondo. >> and did either you or sergeant raimondo attempt to get a pulse from trayvon martin? >> sergeant raimondo did. >> was sergeant raimondo able to get a pulse? >> no, sir. >> did you and/or sergeant

raimondo move trayvon martin's body after he failed to get a pulse? >> yes, i believe there was -- >> i'm sorry? >> i believe -- we moved him, yes. >> how did you move him? >> we turned him rightside up. >> you moved him from his stomach to his back? >> correct. >> to your knowledge, did you move or disturb any evidence that was around his body or on his body when you rolled him over? >> no, sir. >> did trayvon martin respond in any way to physically or verbally when you rolled his body over? >> no, sir. >> after rolling his body over, did you see anything that appeared to be a gunshot wound? >> after moving it? at a later -- yes, after he was moved over, around, yes. >> yes, sir. where was that in. >> it was underneath. he had a pin or a button. so it was underneath the button. >> all right. are you indicating a button on his shirt or sweatshirt? >> yes. >> and gunshot wound was near

that area? >> it was right underneath the button, itself. >> how did you find the gunshot wound? >> how did we find -- we lifted -- well, when we moved the sweater, the button kind of lift up so you could see it went through the sweater so at that time we lifted up his sweater and shirt. >> all right. actually exposing his bare chest? >> correct. >> you could see a gunshot wound or something that appeared to be a gunshot wound at that point? >> yes, sir. >> did you and sergeant raimondo perform cpr on trayvon martin? >> yes, sir. >> and you have cpr training? >> yes, sir. >> and did either you or sergeant raimondo ask anybody for anything while you were performing or attempting to perform cpr? >> sergeant raimondo was asking for a plastic bag of some sort. >> did anyone fro voprovide any to sergeant raimondo? >> someone provided a bag.

>> was it a plastic type grocery bag? >> correct. >> do you recall the kplor colo the bag? >> i do not. >> do can you recall who provided it? >> i do not. >> after receiving the bag did you and sergeant raimondo continue to perform cpr? >> correct, we did. >> at any time did you see any signs of life from trayvon martin's body? >> no, sir. >> what was your role specifically in the administration of cpr? >> i was doing chest compressions. >> and what was sergeant raimondo's role? >> he was doing mouth to mouth. >> did rescue eventually respond to the scene? >> yes. >> did rescue personnel take over the treatment or assessment of trayvon martin after that arrived? >> yes. >> was trayvon martin pronounced dead at the scene? >> yes, he was. >> did you have any further contact or involvement with this defendant after after you performed cpr on trayvon martin?

>> no. and the investigators and crime scene technicians respond to that scene while you were still present? >> yes, sir. >> and did those officers and technicians take over the scene after that arrived? >> yes, sir. >> did you have any further involvement with the case? >> no, sir. >> thank you, sir. judge, that's all i have. >> thank you, mr. o'mara? >> good afternoon, officer. >> thank you. >> just a couple of questions. when you -- you had heard, as you were on your way, that officer smith had just arrived on the scene, correct? as you were coming -- >> as i was getting there -- >> right. >> he was just arriving on the scene. >> because you guys are in radio contact, aren't you, all the responding officers? >> yes, sir. >> okay. so you knew you were right behind officer tim smith to get there? >> yes. >> could you even guesstimate from the radio transmissions or

fast or quickly after him you got there? >> if i would guesstimate, less than two minutes. >> okay. matter of fact, it was so quick that the officer still had mr. zimmerman at gunpoint, right? >> that's correct. >> in a shots-fired situation, when you come into a dark area like that, it's protocol to take out your weapon and control the situation, right? >> correct. >> that's not to suggest any particular danger coming from mr. zimmerman, that's just what you do in a situation where you have shots fired. >> that's correct. >> that's appropriately for officer smith to have done that here, correct? >> correct. >> now, if you would have come up to me, how would you tell me, or what would you tell me to do in a situation like that where you've pulled your weapon and are trying to control a situation that you're just coming upon? >> i want to see your hands. >> right.

and you say that, don't you? >> yes, sir. >> if i had a cell phone, you think it would be appropriate if i had a cell phone, you say, see my hands, to maybe go like this? >> no. >> or even like this? >> no, i would not. >> what would you want me to do that with cell phone? >> drop it where it's at. >> why? >> that way we make sure we have no weapons and nothing in your hands. >> okay. when you came on with smith, did you take out your weapon as well? >> yes, sir. >> same reason? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know what's going on, do you? >> no, we do not. >> can't see very much, can you? >> no, sir. >> flashlight in one hand, your gun in the other? >> new york the gun actually has a flashlight on it. >> both. gun with flashlight. watching, what's going on. >> yes. >> you actually said in your report that you were protecting officer smith, right? is that a focus at least

initially? >> correct. >> because he's at least a fellow officer potentially in a dangerous situation. >> yes, sir. >> okay. once you realized, did you come to realize that officer smith had that part of the situation including mr. zimmerman under control? did that happen? >> well, i had my weapon out until, well, i was having my eyes on mr. zimmerman and trayvon at the same time. we didn't know what was going on. >> right. >> as soon as he secured zimmerman, i went ahead and focused on trayvon, make sure where the threat was coming from. >> was there another person there? >> when we got there? >> yeah. >> when i got there? >> yes. >> there probably was. i wasn't focused on security for the officer. >> just curious, we had some testimony that a neighbor had come out with a flashlight, might not have caught your memory. >> it doesn't, no. >> okay. because you're focused on your fellow officers?

>> uh-huh. >> and the interested parties. in that case, mr. zimmerman and mr. martin. >> yes. >> okay. from your awareness of it, did officer smith have any concern with securing mr. zimmerman? >> no, i mean, he was -- he got him secured. >> okay. >> and took him to his vehicle and secured him in a vehicle. he was good. >> was mr. zimmerman compliant as far as you were aware? >> yes. >> did he do everything officer smith asked him to do? >> yes, he did. >> did he disobey in any form that you're a ware of? >> no, he did not. >> did you get a look at his face? >> no. i -- not -- i looked at it, yes, i'm sorry, his face. yeah, i didn't focus -- >> right. sort of a quick glances. >> yeah. >> did you notice the blood on his nose? >> i can't tell you i did, no. >> okay. again, not a focus of yours once

he were secured? >> exactly. >> at that point, a moment ago you said you shifted over to trayvon martin who was off at that point sort of to the left? >> yes. >> okay. >> and it was quite dark, right? >> yes, sir. >> you would not have been able to see trayvon martin's body, but for your flashlight, is that accurate? >> yes. pretty accurate. >> and i think that you testified you attempted to do what you could as a first responder to deal with trayvon martin? >> correct. >> and you did not see -- did you see george zimmerman again when he was in the back of tim smith's patrol car? >> no. >> never even went over there? >> i -- no, i don't -- i didn't make contact with him after he was secured. >> okay. just a moment, your honor.

no further questions. >> redirect. >> i'm sorry, when the defendant was complying with officer smith's commands, was officer smith holding him at gunpoint? >> when i arrived there, yes. >> thank you. judge, that's all i have. >> thank you. may officer ayala be excused? >> he may. >> thank you very much. he may be excused. call your next witness. >> very compelling testimony by the first police officer to arrive on the scene. we're going to take a very quick break here. we'll be back with more of the trial in a moment. quick break. and also, we're going to have this coming up. a wildly popular military fig wrur is now accused of leaking high-profile secrets on an attack on iran's nuclear program. big news today for general cartwright. we'll be right back with that.

we have a developing news here on this leak investigation that reaches the highest levels

of the u.s. military. retired marine general james, known as hoss cartwright, former vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, second highest ranking official in the u.s. military is now the target of an investigation into leaks involving top-secret cyber attacks on iran. national security correspondent jennifer griffin joins me now live. she's at the pentagon. big story this afternoon. hey, jennifer. >> hi, martha. a senior u.s. official confirmed to fox news that the justice department has been investigating general james cartwright for more than a year. they're investigating whether he is a source of a leak to "new york times" reporter david sanger who reported first on the classified stuxnet program. details appeared in his book "confront and conceal: obama's secret wars and the surprising use of american power." "the new york times" published an excerpt from the book on june 1st of last year under the title "obama order sped up wave of

cyber attacks against iran." the report was published five months before the u.s. presidential election. it revealed details about the administration's role in the secret attack on iran's nuclear program using the stuxnet virus which sources told "times" reporter david sanger was crafted by the nsa along with israeli computer scientists and inserted using thumb drives into systems that then spread the virus to iran's centrifuges at its uranium enrichment facility, knocking thousands of those centrifuges offline. general cartwright was described in the article adds an architect of the program, and frequently briefed the white house on it. the white house cooperated with the sanger book. sanger includes quotes from oval office meetings, leading some republicans at the time to demand pan investigation, accusing the president's own national security team of being the source of the leaks in an effort to bolster the president's image as having been tough on iran.

>> the notion that my white house would purposely release classified national security information is offensive. it's wrong, and, people i think need to have a better sense of how i approach this office and how the people around me here approach this office. >> what's surprising is that the investigation would end up targeting the general who is known to be the president's favorite. martha? >> indeed it is. jennif jennifer, thank you very much. joining me now is a veteran of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. and ceo of concerned veterans for america. pete, welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you make of this in. >> i talked to a highly placed general officer who is familiar with general cartwright, has respect for him but also remembers him as someone, very closely to the white house lines, sometimes against commanders in the field.

while he was very surprised it would come back to him because of the serious nature of this virus and what it did to our programs against iran, he wasn't necessarily surprised it could have gone back to cartwright because he was one of obama's favorites. he was one that oftentimes tried to bolster the image of this administration. not to indict him, but in this case he might have talked to david sanger to sort of play up what the administration was doing with american power behind the scenes and in doing so gave away classified information that had huge ramifications. >> talk about those huge ramifications. it sounds like a great idea, right, right out of a spy novel. if you can get into it's been difficult to curb the progress of iran's nuclear program. if you can get in and mess with their computer system, knock thousands of centrifuges offline, that's something, you know, i think people would see as an intelligence and military success. >> a huge success. >> what did we lose in revealing it? >> it's sources and methods. any time you reveal sources of your information or methods, you're compromising national security. in this particular case, secret methods of cyber attacks we were

committing against these iranian facilities which were effective in delaying the iranians. they didn't know where they were coming from. there was confusion about why he was not or not happening. the reason they reveal it, they knee how to protect against it, they know where it's coming from. it clarifies a lot of it. it's a way we could have prevented a nuclear bomb in iran through nonmilitary means. >> it would be a beautiful thing, right? when you look at cartwright, as you point out, if indeed he was favorable to the administration, is this an exercise in sort of clearing the administration, exonerating them of anything if they say, look, this is your guy, we think he might have been one who talked to the reporter. >> the president's clip there, he's careful in saying my white house. the white house wouldn't leak this. technically speaking the former voice vice chairman of the joint chiefs is not part of his white house. that's the pentagon. someone else. there was a lot of cya at that point to make sure there was technicality played. they can distance themselves in this place who can say it was a general who got too lippy with a reporter.

the intentions were good to support the administration but there was a political lining there which shouldn't be a consideration for a general charged purely with securing our nation, not with making a president look good. you want to support a commander in chief, but there should never be a political tinge to that motivation. >> incredible story. pete, thank you very much. see you soon. we also got breaking news today from a meeting between attorney general eric holder and the house judiciary committee. they had a lot of questions for him in the james rosen case. that's going to be coming up. plus back to the george zimmerman murder trial after the break. testimony moments ago on how george zimmerman described his fight with trayvon martin in the moments after it happened. come back for that. we'll be right back. the first time i saw a sony 4k tv, it was like opening my eyes.

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on former nfl star aaron hernandez. hernandez, as you know, there he was coming into court yesterday, he is behind bars. he has been denied bail. just moments ago we can confirm the arrest of earnest wallace. he was very much wanted by the boston police. he is now the third person to be arrested in the death of semipro player odin lloyd who was apparently a one-time friend of hernandez. he had been concesidered armed d dangerous, ernest wallace. we showed you pictures of the car he was believed to be traveling in a little while ago. now the news, he, too, is in police custody. we'll bring you the latest when we get more. you also asked him what happened. >> yes. >> and he said this guy was beating me up and i shot him. >> i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> i'm sorry. >> i was defending myself and i

shot him. >> this guy was beating me up, i was defending myself and i shot him is what he told you. >> yes. >> without hesitation? >> no. >> from what you could tell at the moment, it seem completely true? >> yes. >> testimony 30 minutes ago in the george zimmerman murder trial. as that continues today. that was the neighbor who says he was the first person to reach the scene after hearing the gunshot that george zimmerman fired. ultimately killing teenager trayvon martin. zimmerman claims that was in self-defense. bill keating is live at the seminole county courthouse. he's been covering this throughout in sanford, florida. phil, another fascinating day in there. >> reporter: absolutely. and it continues with first responders on the stand. people who not only tried to perform cpr on the dead 17-year-old, but also the person who checked the heart rhythm but it showed it was incompatible with life. that neighbor who ran out of his town house was the first person out there at the scene right after the shooting.

and he saw trayvon martin lying dead on the grass and standing was his neighbor, george zimmerman, bloodied on the back of the head, down behind his ear and possibly with a broken news. prosecutors called joe minola to the stand to tell the jury about zimmerman's cold and straightforward demeanor immediately after he shot and killed trayvon martin. in fact, remember this photo? minolo took it. the first picture taken of zimmerman's injuries that night. he also took two photos of martin's lifeless body. >> i said, your husband was involved in a shooting. he's being handcuffed and being held for questioning at the sanford police department. and around that time he kind of cut me off and he says, just tell her i shot someone. >> okay. said he cut you off, the defendant cut you off? >> yes. >> and he told -- he said what, now? >> just tell her i shot someone.

>> did you respond to that? >> yes. >> what did you say? >> okay, well, he just shot someone. >> and right now in the courtroom, again, the prosecutors are showing those bloody photographs of george zimmerman. the one with the nose and the blood coming out of it. and there it is, as you can see, right on the screen. this was taken actually by some of the first responders after joe minolo took his camera phone photograph of the back of his head. >> incredible. phil, thank you. we're going to go back live to the courtroom now because the woman on the stand is an emt who was one of the first to arrive at the scene and she's talking about the injuries that were sustained by george zimmerman. obviously very important to this case. let's listen in. >> that little red spot -- >> appears to be a laceration, a small laceration. >> did you note that as well that he had a laceration on the nose? >> i did not. >> how does a person get a

laceration like that? >> i don't know. >> okay. in your experience, is that consistent with getting struck in the nose? by a fist? >> it could. >> okay. similar to the injuries to the nose, itself, and the swelling, are they also consistent with a fist strike to the nose? >> very possibly. >> and do you see the injuries to what would be closest to you, his left forehead? do you see those markings up there? >> yes. >> what is that? >> looks like an abrasion. >> okay. can you tell how that may have been -- how he was injured with that? >> i cannot. >> okay. would you agree that that would be a separate injury from the injury to his nose? >> yes. >> now let's talk about what seems to be on the tip of his nose.

what is that? >> blood. >> and is that what you talked about earlier that it was still moist, in the process of drying? >> yes. >> where was that -- where was that coming from? >> his nose. >> inside? >> yes. >> what does that indicate to you? >> an injury to the nose. >> of what sort? what happens when the nose bleeds? how does it stop bleeding? >> specifically? >> well, as best you can, if you can, describe how a shot to the nose would cause bleeding like that. what has to happen to it? >> i mean, blood vessels would initiate bleeding. >> okay. and those blood vessels that exist up in the nose, correct? >> yes. >> any idea what happens to the blood that breaks, that escapes from blood vessels when you're laying on your back? what if you had that injury and you were laying on your back,

where would the blood go? >> you would probably swallow it. >> it would go back up into your sinuses? >> correct. >> then back down the back of your throat? >> correct. >> and then if you could, you'd be swallowing your own blood, right? >> right. >> you can put the lights up if you would. thank you very much. the injuries that we talked about in the back of the head, similar, they -- you saw them that night the same way, correct? >> yes. >> and then you cleaned them off? >> i did. >> and you could see lacerations, and you identified as being about an inch long each. correct? >> approximately. >> all right. not actively bleeding when you saw them? >> no. >> what is -- do you have a concern with head injuries? when you see a head injury, similar to this, what concerns come to you?

>> concerns meaning? >> what medical issues are you -- if you were to see, as you did, those two one-inch lacerations on the back of his head, did you have any concerns or any medical condition that may be happening to mr. zimmerman because of those injuries? >> yeah, we had -- in questioning him, we asked had he lost consciousness? had he -- i think he's the one who said he had felt dizzy. we just continued to question him about that. >> you would be concerned as a first responder to possible concussive injuries from an injury like that? >> correct. >> where you can get a concussion where your head is hit that way? >> correct. >> and even brain injury? is that a possibility from an injury like that? >> possibly. >> and something that you need to be aware of? >> yes. >> and you were only aware of that and concerned about it as you were treating him, correct?

>> yes. >> reasonable, your opinion, for somebody who has incurred those type of injuries to be concerned about their own continued safety? >> i'm sorry, repeat the question? >> do you think the person who sustained those type of injuries in the back of the head should be concerned about their medical safety? >> possibly. >> and how about the nose. would that cause you concern about a person's medical safety if that injury was caused to them? >> possibly. >> did -- what is the normal procedure for head injuries and getting them x-rayed?

>> well, we -- they would have to be transported to a medical facility to receive an x-ray. >> sure, you can't get x-rays just in the back of your ambulance, right? >> right. >> so you'd have to take them to the hospital? >> if they choose to go. >> and who helps make that decision? >> if the patient is fully awake and alert, they can make the decision. >> so is it -- that final decision is actually left up to the nonmedical personnel? >> it was discussed, and we explained that we would be happy to transport him and i'm not exactly how the determination was made, but i knew that it was determined that if he was going to receive medical care, the police was going to take him. >> so that -- so it became the police responsibility at that point, correct? >> correct. >> had it not been for the police involvement, would you have suggested to the person who had that injury and the injuries in the back of his head to go get some x-rays?

>> we would have said the same thing that we would be happy to transport him, but it would have been up to them. >> okay. if i might just have a moment, your honor. just a minute more and we'll be done. you said that he was able to get up, and did you say he stood up without trouble? i couldn't quite hear exactly what you said when you were asked about was he able to stand. >> when we got to him, he was actually sitting sideways in the police car. >> with his feet out of the car? >> yes.

the door was open and his feet were out. >> all right. >> and when however it came about that he had said he had been dizzy, we asked him to stand up to see if he still felt dizzy, and he was able to stand up. >> with the assistance of officer smith and one of the paramedics, correct? because he was handcuffed behind his back, wasn't he? >> i don't recall if he was handcuffed behind his back. >> okay. you don't recall that? >> i don't. >> do you recall officer tim smith helping him out of the car when he was complaining about being dizzy? >> i do not. >> okay. do you remember whether it was paramedic mike brandy who helped him out of the car as well when he complained about being dizzy? >> i do not. >> okay. your focus is really on injuries, clear them up, identify them and then evaluate, correct? >> yes, sir. >> okay. nothing further. thank you, your honor. >> all right. very interesting. this is the emt who was on scene

who was involved in the initial treatment of george zimmerman. i want to bring back in our panel. doug burns who was here with us prior. former federal prosecutor. and john is joining us now, former prosecutor turned defense attorney. so obviously they're trying to establish the extent of zimmerman's injury here because the idea is that he was in such bad shape that he feared for his life, that he shot trayvon martin because he believed that his own life was in danger. that his head had been slammed against this, you know, concrete sidewalk. so now they're trying to determine how bad was he? right? and it appears from this testimony that he was not taken to a medical facility. that he said he was dizzy, but when they asked him to stand, he was able to stand. sounds like he -- that picture is pointing in what direction? i'll let you. >> we have a good explanation for that because the defense attorney said, well wait a minute, you'd ordinarily would have taken somebody with these extensive injuries to a facility. her response is, well, yeah, if they wanted to go, but we knew

that the police were going to interfere from this point forward and if he was going to go to a facility, the police were going to take him. that was the response from the emt in some substance. mark o'mara is doing a good job of explaining to the jury why he did not -- why zimmerman did not go immediately to an emergency room, for example -- >> but she said if he had requested it, we would have taken him. she makes it sound like he was going through the processing and, well, once he was in the police's hands, i guess then it was going to be their decision. she was not suggesting, in my mind, while, yeah, it was really bad and i really felt like we should take him to the hospital, but then it was out of my hands. that was not her tone, was it, doug? >> what's so interesting, there's a spin and a counterspin for everything. that's what's so amazing. that's, you know, we know from trial. so as you say, you know, he was fine. he didn't need to go to hospital. then there's an counterspin. wait a minute, it wasn't his decision and it was up to the others and it keeps going back and forth. we hope the truth emerges from

all those spins but time will tell. >> not for nothing, if you're george zimmerman and your head did get bashed and your nose gets bashed, we can see that. but the police are on you, and there is a dead person -- >> good point. >> -- ten feet from you. you're not thinking, get me to a hospital. you're thinking, the police are here, i'm going to do what they tell me to do and they're not doctors. they're there for a whole different function. the fact he didn't rush himself or request to go to the hospital does not surprise me. i don't think it's going to sway a jury either that much. >> the potentially unfair part is had he simply said, yes, i want to be raced off to a hospital, then you'd be left with evidence in front of this jury along the lines of the injuries were so serious, look, he was raced to the hospital. so what becomes a little unfair is because of these different just simple fortuities he either is raced, isn't raced. what jonna is saying, she's right, that isn't dispositive of whether he needed to go. >> right. the fact remains that he did not -- he was coherent. he was answering people's questions. he seemed to be, according to

this emt, stable. he was able to stand up on his own. and he did not, according to what she just said, maybe we'll learn more about this later, he did not make any requests to go to the hospital which suggests he wasn't in terrible shape. >> you're playing a very good prosecutor right now, but how many times have we seen head injuries, people go skiing, they fall down, hit their head, get up, have dinner then they die. head injuries are really strange. >> also, sorry to interrupt you, the immediate counterargument is, guess what, his head was being smashed into the concrete. i'll just use a number, well not a number, just a few times. he shoots him. well, if he hadn't shot him, it would have been smashed 20 times and he would have died. that's the immediate counterargument. >> i take you back to the central premise here of what they're trying to prove, extensive injuries. that goes back to the central issue was, was his life threatened? was he being beaten to the point where he had no choice but to pull the gun on trayvon martin to stop him from killing him? >> but actually the question is,

did he have a reasonable belief that his life was in danger? not was his life actually in danger. did he have a reasonable belief. somebody's smashing my head against the sidewalk, i'm probably going to be in fear for my life. that's what the jury is going to be thinking, too. >> one of the things that came up when doug and i talking earlier, i want to get your thoughts on this, you know, why -- he pulled out his gun and shot him, right? now, perhaps as he argues he believed that he was about to be killed which he has said. he said i didn't think i was going to walk out of that situation alive. >> right. >> no moment, though, have we heard about where he threatened him with the gun. get off me, i have a gun. stop, stop, stop. we've never heard that that was part of the scenario, have we? >> maybe we will. >> maybe we will. >> when george zimmerman takes the stand. he's the only person. >> he's the only one that could know the answer to that question. he has never as far as i know in any of this, you know, testimony process, or deposition, stated that he tried to threaten him and get him off of him just by showing him the gun.

>> but you just made the point that may become a really important prosecution point which is, you know, ladies and gentlemen, he could have just said, wait a minute, i've got a gun, back off, and instead, ladies and gentlemen, he decided to just kill him. that's a strong prosecution. >> it harkins back to previous testimony today with mr. goode, i think, was describing the actual fight. so if the fight went down the way that witness said it did, now you've got george zimmerman being pummeled from somebody up above mma style. i don't think you have -- are you thinking, stop, or i'll shoot? or are you thinking i'm just going to shoot? >> do we have that john goode sound? all right. when that's ready, let me know. that's a great point. he did say mma style. but he said i couldn't tell whether or not he was landing blows or whether it was just a movement of an arm. you know, that, john goode was very careful to characterize only what he felt comfortable -- >> you had also made the point, martha, if he was on top of him

mma style, you know, theoretically at least the argument is he was paralyzed in his movement. how did he reach for the gun? >> although i've had people tweeting saying, well, they're saying, you know, that his hips, you know, are locked down in that position. but that his arms very well may not have been. >> might have been free. all right. >> okay. >> jonna, i mean, it -- >> a live look at the courthouse here. go ahead, jonna. >> anyway, i don't think -- if it were me, i think jurors filter through their own heads, their own experiences. >> definitely. >> if it were me and someone is on top of me and they're hitting me, i'm got going to give them a chance or reason with them or say, stop or i'll shoot, i'm going to do what it takes to stop that behavior. if that means pulling out my gun and shooting him -- >> absolutely. a lot of people say he did what he had to do and that's certainly george zimmerman's claim. we're going to stay on this. interesting testimony this afternoon. thank you very much.

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fox news alert and back to the george zimmerman murder trial where another responding officer, this is timothy smith, who also wrote up the police report that night, is now on the stand. and we're watching this along with doug burns and jonna. let's listen in for a moment. >> did he appear to have any trouble understanding what you were asking? >> no. >> when he responded to your questions, did you have trouble understanding his responses?

>> no, sir. >> when the defendant said that he was still armed, what did you do? >> i unholstered my service weapon at which point he complied with my commands and he was secured in the handcuffs. >> all right. and did he actually show you in some fashion where his gun was? >> he did. >> did he have his hands in the air when he did that? >> he did. >> where was the defendant's gun? >> on his right hip. >> and did you handcuff the defendant? >> i did. >> do you recall whether or not you handcuffed him in front or in back? >> in back. >> all right. why did you do that? >> policy. >> did you remove the defendant's gun from his person? >> yes, i did. >> was it in a holster? >> yes, it was. >> and when you removed the gun, did you actually take the gun or both the gun and the holster? >> the gun and the holster. >> and what did you do with the gun, the holster, when you removed it? where did you put it? >> it was currently on me because i was away from my patrol vehicle. >> where did you put it on your

person? >> tucked in between my magazine pouch and my vest. >> all right. you recall whether or not the defendant's holster was inside his pants, on the outside of his pants when he showed it to you? >> i don't. >> all right. could you see the defendant's gun when you approached him? >> no. >> could you see the holster when you approached him? >> no. >> all right. what did you do with the defendant after you placed him in handcuffs? >> he was seated in the patrol vehicle. >> when you walked the defendant to your patrol car, did he appear to have any trouble walking? >> no, sir. >> did other sanford police department officers respond to the scene in short order after you? >> yes, sir. >> you recall who the first officer was who responded after

you? >> i believe it was officer ayala. >> and where did officer ayala do when he arrived to the scene? >> he went to attend to mr. >> he went to attend to mr. >> he attended to mr. martin. >> dollar any other -- do you recall any other officers going trayvon martin's body. >> yes. >> whose was that? >> sergeant raimondo. >> were you wearing gloves when you first contacted the defendant and removed his firearm from his holster. >> i was not. >> did you handle the firearm in any special way when you removed it. >> no, sir. >> why not? >> why did it not handle it in a certain way? >> no, sir. >> there was not enough time. >> this is tim smith. he is the person who took george zimmerman into custody.

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>> beaching. this is tim smith, police officer, on the stand right now. i want to go back to one of the most pivotal movements today. from the neighbor, john good, who testified to the positioning of the two men as he saw them fighting. let's watch that. >> tell me if you would, explain what you were indicating with this -- >> this is depicting them laying how i was stating earlier, the one on the blacktop on top, the none red and white on bottom. and then it moves to the

sidewalk, laying this way. it's still the person with the black shirt on top and the red shirt on bottom. >> is this now where they're in the straddle position? >> correct. >> with trayvon martin on top? >> yeah. i could not draw that. >> that's fine. i just want to orient the jury, that's what we're talking about. >> yes. >> big moment. what do you make of it? >> so far i think this is the best witness for the defense. it's not a defense witness. this is still the prosecution's case, but this guy is credible, has no axe to grind, neutral, and he puts trayvon martin on top of george zimmerman, and if he is not punching him, he appears to be punching him. that's huge in terms of who was the aggressor here. >> very important piece of testimony. just in fairness, the counterpoint, other witnesses helped the prosecution a little bit but i can't disagree with you in saying that any witness who puts the decedent on top is going to support the idea of

self-defense. >> yes. thank you very much. we are going to take a quick break and continue to monitor the zimmerman trial throughout the break, exclusive testimony today in the trial. we'll take a quick break and be back with more. [ ding! ] ...heart health... [ ding! ] ...and muscles. [ ding! ] that can only be ensure complete! [ female announcer ] the four-in-one nutrition of ensure complete. a simple choice to help u eat right. [ major nutrition ] nutrition in charge.

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>> a lot of significant action in the zimmerman trial today. going to hear more about it throughout the course of this afternoon on fox. thanks for watching. i'm in for megyn kelly. "studio b" gets started a few

short seconds from now. enjoy your weekend. >> i'm greg jarrett in for shepard submission. the news begins anew right here on "studio b." >> a potential blow to prosecutors in the zimmerman trial. their own witness says the teenager, trayvon martin, was on top in the scuffle that unfolded before the neighborhood watchman shot him dead. the father of the fugitive surveillance leaker ed snowden says he is confident his son could soon return to the united states but there's a huge catch. >> president obama spoke about possibly visiting the civil rights icon nelson mandela, who remains in critical condition in a south african hospital. we'll explain why activists are demanding obama get out of south africa. all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b."