lauraingram.com. bill back on monday. thank you for watching tonight. i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly and please remember, the spin stops here, because we're always looking out for you. have a great weekend welcome to hannity. tonight, full coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial. throughout the program, highlights from day five and legal and law enforcement experts to break it down for you. first, the most shocking revelation from the day's testimony. a neighbor who witnessed the "tussle" between george zimmerman and trayvon martin. john good saw martin on top of zimmerman. watch this. >> at that point, could you tell there was one individual there at least or two people? >> i could tell there were two when they were still vertical. >> all right. and you could -- could you tell at that time in terms of describing who was on top and who was on the bottom? >> i could only see colors of clothing.

>> the color of clothing on top, what could you see? >> it was dark. >> how about the color of clothing at the bottom. >> i believe it was a light white or red color. >> and are you going from memory, since it was only a matter of seconds, right? >> i don't understand your question. >> my question is, you are not making notes as you are doing this, taking photographs or anything as you are doing this, right? >> no. >> so you -- positions changed. how

>> in relation to the person on the bottom? >> i believe i described it as straddle position. >> what do you mean by that? >> with the leg over the lower part of the body. >> blockbuster testimony, he went on to describe martin beating up zimmerman, in quote, mma style in, a fight. >> what you saw was a person in top in an mma style straddle position correct? >> correct.

>> and grounding pound? >> correct. >> what is ground and pound. >> that is usually what takes place in that position. >> mma mixed marshal arts. >> correct. >> you knew it to give termology for ground and pound. >> that is the first thing that came to mind, yes. >> the person on top was ground and pounding the person on the bottom? >> that is what it looked like, right. >> the person you know to be trayvon martin, correct? >> correct. >> he was reigning blows down on george zimmerman, right? >> that is what it looked like. >> our legal experts defense attorney. all right. ground and pound. one eye witness so far this, is the prosecution witness. ground and pound, mma style straddled him. fists going down. screams from zimmerman ask zimmerman's injuries consistent with what this eye

witness is saying. this is a, as far as i'm concerned this case is over today. do you disagree sth. >> i'm with you until last two things you said. as far as who is screaming it may have been, i haven't decided based on -- he said he assumed it was zimmerman. he said that is who he expected it to be. >> you know, it was not a good day. not the way the prosecution wants to end the week, i'll give you that. i agree he was a good witness for the defense but it's good for the prosecution in this. what he said sthae did not see zimmerman having his head beaten into the ground on this cement. he said it. >> i didn't see the head hit the concrete was his quote. he said i didn't see that. he was worried of seeing someone on top of someone else screaming for help. he's worried and defined incident as zimmerman on the

bottom, trayvon on top. >> straddled mma ground and pound. pretty -- injuries are concities stent. >> yes. >> i see them as being consistent with him being beat up in a tuesdayel. he gets knocked back and pushed back. i don't think it matters the important thing for the prosecution today that keeps them well in the game is the witness afterwards. what he said sthae heard george zimmerman's words momtz after that shot. he said this guy was beating me up, and i emphasize those words. that is not someone thinks they were about to be killed. >> to me that is what it is. he said quote, i was defending myself, he claimed zimmerman said to him as he walked out of his house. that is exactly what zimmerman was saying god i thought i was going to die. >> that is not what he said. he was -- said i was defending

myself and i shot that. >> i was being beaten up, under the law for justification you can only use deadly force if you believe you were about to be killed or have massive injuries. not if you're getting beat up and someone has the better of you. >> what is the definition of beat up? what does george zimmerman think beat snup. >> broken nose, knocks to the head. >> later tonight we're going to show part of my interview. he describes what happened in this interview going into extraordinary detail and including he got hit he said he was daysed and thought his life was in jeopardy. 14 times in the face. that he said expletive you're going to die tonight. all of these things, if he told the police that, and that is reported is there anything going to contradict that? >> first of all people embellish to try to get out from under when realizing what happened.

someone was dead here. >> it should be and should be a high burden. >> give me evidence. >> he is following a young man in the middle, whatever time in, the dark, in the rain wh. police say stop, it's not illegal. not faulting him, however, he scared this kid. the kid ran to get away. he doesn't stop. i don't believe he goes back to the car. >> you're making an aassumption. >> and also, an officer on the scene was wilt number 21 who said zimmerman was dazed, confused and out of it. >> he -- . >> he confirmed lacerations and z.contusions to his head, nose was bloody, clothes were wet. he said he i killed this man, here is my gun. he was not running. >> of course he wanted to be.

>> look at the injury autos those are not bad injuries. >> oh, my goodness. >> it's two -- . >> look at his nose. >> it's broken. i don't say that that is a good thing. did you do you know what? he followed this young man in the dark. >> wait. if you're following someone that doesn't justify someone turning around arguing and jumping on top of him. >> let's go to the law. this seems to to be classic self-defense, and zimmerman's stories and injuries are with the eye witness. if does he not have a right if getting ground and pound mma style does he not legally have right to defend him snefl. >> sure. very self-defense statute in florida as well. sure he does. with the amount of force he thinks is being placed on him. if the gun is there, how,

maybe trayvon went for the gun this, is the situation he's in in a split second decision as a human being. he's being pound upon. we have a tremendous amount of witness testimony that this was the situation. >> and one frustrated prosecutor here. >> justification in florida fla stand your ground sut the window if you provoke the attack. to me i'm telling that jury he provoked the attack. i'll give you justification if you want or right to defend yourself, it's a question of degree. have you owe do everything to retreat, then, you can only use life force. he did not say this guy was about to kill me. right when he got up he said i thought i was being beaten up. >> that is crucial, 10 seconds? first things out of his mouth. >> he said to it a witness and

police officer. a police officer arrived on the scene. what was his state of mind? sn i'm getting beat up hold on. we have to take a break. i think it was devastating today. do you agree? >> absolute lie we'll see. >> coming up next our coverage of the murder trial continues with this and more. >> you took it upon yourself to take the picture? >> yes. >> he didn't ask you to take the picture? >> no. >> thankfully you d but it was your decision. >> law enforcement here to examine evidence and you'll hear tonight from the man himself, george zimmerman, we know his version of events tonight we'll play my interview that i had with him. >> you're saying he's beating you and pounding your head into the cement was he talking to you during that time? >> yes. >> he was say something. >> cursing. tell meeg to shut up. and then finally he's going kill me. for his small business take theseags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjors small busiss earns double miles

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a freight deal of focus placed on george zimmerman's condition. the prosecution attempted to dismiss the notion that he had been assaulted by trayvon martin. and the defense tried to demonstrate that zimmerman asked in self-defense. take a look. >> mr. zimmerman squatted down to collect himself, you took the picture. >> yes. >> he didn't ask you to take the picture? >> no. >> thankfully you did, but that was your decision? >> yes. >> and you asked him what happened? >> yes. >> and he said this guy was beating me up, and i shot him. >> i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> pardon me? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> this guy was beating me up, i was defending myself, and i shot him is what he told you? >> yes. >> fobill wheeler and bill stann join us. >> sure, sean. >> when you go to the earlier

testimony, ground and pound, straddle, mma style, and what we just played for you there, within 15 seconds of the shooting, he told this other witness that he was defending himself. coupled with the other eyewitness that saw it, what do you think of what happened today? >> well, i think it was very important. the information we learned today will be very critical. let me remind you and viewers that we're only into week one of a expected four- to six-week trial. a lot more evidence will come out. the other thing very important that i have not heard today is the fact that when this witness said that trayvon was straddling zimmerman and mma style. mma stands for mixed martial arts, and that means that the person that is straddling you has total control of your arms and your legs. that's what that means, now if that's the case, sean, then the

question becomes how was it that zimmerman was able to pull his weapon if he was -- if trayvon was actually using mma style tactics? >> mr. stanton? i'm asking you. >> well, i am a fan of mma, sean. and anybody that's watched mma knows you can move around from the bottom position, and i would tell you, sean, based on the facts presented, along with what we know versus what we think we know, alongside the testimony of mr. zimmerman when he said to you in an interview what we know, i can't see how a jury at this point could convict beyond a reasonable doubt. i just don't see it unless there is some new-found evidence that none of us have heard or know about. >> i agree with you. we will play tonight, if what he said, rod, to me, and then coupled with today's evidence of an eyewitness, that he was

screaming and that he -- that this person was on top of him, and the injuries, it seems to all corroborate each other. the prosecution is going to need something big. wasn't this supposed to be their wig witnesses? >> i agree. i definitely agree with you, sean. i think the prosecution is doing a horrible job, if you just want my opinion. look, i've been involved in multiple homicide investigations and prosecution, and i can tell you this so far -- this case has definitely been blundered by the prosecution. now, real quickly, two other individuals that we definitely need to hear from. this isn't the time to jump to conclusions, we need to hear, sean, from the lead homicide investigator from the city of sanford. that is very critical, because that's the guy and the viewers wanted to charge zimmerman initially with criminal homicide based on what he saw. that's very important. the other person that's very important is the medical examiner, you have to look at autopsy report that will tell us

a lot. all i'm saying at this point, not time to convict nor is it time to acquit. >> i agree, but we do know certain forensic issues. we know that there was grass, that his back was wet. confirms that he was on his back, and that also corroborates part of his story, but even the lead detective, bill, tell me what he can say that would -- i guess contradict the testimony of the eyewitness? >> i don't know, again, respectfully disagree with rod, i don't know that the prosecution is doing such a horrible job. moreover, the best they can with the slim facts that they have. you know, they are trying to prevent a case that in my opinion just isn't there yet. i mean, you have a defendant that has apparently a broken nose, a bloody head, whose head was definitely striking the concrete, so, you know, how do you present the fact that this man was not in fear? how do you prove he was not in fear of his life? >> you know, bill, if i could

say this real quick. you know like i do. i think this case was rushed. they should not have taken this case to trial yet, it wasn't ready, bill. have you seen that happen in cases before. >> we are in agreement, sir. absolutely. absolutely. >> coming up next on "hannity." >> let's be clear about this. very clear. this family does not want race as part of this process, and does not believe it should be part of this process. >> trayvon's family, and more than a year, liberals have injected race into this case and we have the tape to prove it. >> trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog. he was shot in the street. he was racially profiled. >> plus, we don't yet know if george zimmerman will take the stabbed. we do know what he will say tonight. george zimmerman, we'll play part of our exclusive interview.

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let's be clear about this. very clear. this family doesn't want race as part of this process, and doesn't believe it should be part of the process. >> that was the attorney for the parents of trayvon martin, speaking to reporters yesterday. race has injected to the tragedy. take a look. >> trayvon martin represent the vulnerability of all of us that have to live being suspects, rather than citizens. that you can actually lose your life, because of a preconceived

notion. >> trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog. he was shot in the streets. he was racially profiled. >> just because someone wears a hoody does not make them a hoodlum. >> i really personally believe this is a hate crime. >> by next week, we're looking forward to getting $1 million for the catch of george zimmerman. >> jed bush helped pave the way for this senseless tragedy. >> this investigation is laced with racial profiling, lies, and murder. >> he was executed for wwb in agc. walking while black in a gated community. >> the president got involved. if i had a son, he would look like trayvon he said.

joining me now democratic strategist basil is with us. i feel story for the parents. i think this was a tragic misunderstanding, trayvon wanted out of the rain, george zimmerman, a neighborhood with a lot of crime, wanted to keep his neighborhood safe. >> it is a horrible tragedy. my heart goes out to the parents. i do applaud them for not making this about race. that's the last thing our country needs, depending on how this turns out. despite racial tension in our country this could be another rodney king moment. on twitter, some of the comments are really deplorable. i can't believe it. >> yes, they are not going to inject race into this, but you cannot escape the race issues involved. >> but they are minority. >> trayvon wearing a hoody, being a young black man, presumed not to be in the right

place at the right time. and will never get the benefit of the doubt. >> we have individuals coming out before the facts were made and making about race, saying it was this crime because he was black, when, in fact, we have two minorities. >> if you look at the statistics across the country, in urban areas, suburban areas, take young african-americans and older ones for that matter, and in a place where it's presumed they should not be. >> you know what? this has been made political. president obama. fredricka wilson. politicians have weighed in before facts were raiseded. that has not helped the situation at all. i fault them totally for doing that. >> as a politician, political leader, have you every responsibility to go out and address what i think has been the predominant feeling of the country. >> before the evidence -- >> i mean --

>> let me ask a question. could it be the suspension was not about race, but a crime-ridden neighborhood that and trayvon, because it's raining, wasn't walking on the sidewalk, but near the home. would that lead to suspicion? >> it should not lead to suspicion, and that's the point. should not lead to suspicion, just because he's a young african-american. >> it could be because he's walking next to the house. >> none of that should matter. he is unarmed. he is unarmed. in a neighborhood where he has every right to be in. >> here is the question. why is this making national news when we have murders taking place all the time in places like chicago? >> because he's a young unarmed black man. >> same thing in chicago and other big cities and urban environments. >> and i think we should be paying attention in chicago, what's happening in new york. >> but whatever the outcome is, our country is at risk for racial tension. >> guys, we have to run. and i agree with both of you. i think this was a tragic

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was. >> expletive problem? >> yes, sir. and i was wearing a rain jacket, and i had put my cell phone in my jacket pocket as opposed to my jeans pocket, where i normally keep it. and i immediately went to grab my phone, but this time to call 911 instead of nonemergency, and when i reached into my pants pocket, that's where i keep it out of habit, it wasn't there, and i was shocked. i looked up, and he punched me and broke my nose. >> one shot? >> yes, sir. >> so he said to you, you have expletive -- you have a problem. those were the exact words he used? >> do you have a problem? what's your problem? >> what's your problem? and you said to him i don't have a problem? >> yes, sir. >> you reached for your phone? >> i reached for it as i said i don't have a problem. >> and at that point you got hit? >> he was within arm's length

from me. >> that was the punch in the nose that broke your nose? >> yes, sir. >> and you went immediately down to the ground? >> i don't remember if i went immediately to the ground or if he pushed me to the ground, but i ended up on the ground. >> what do you remember happening from there? the police reports and descriptions that you gave, and that you were a little bit dazed, obviously, and one point you said you wanted him -- you wanted to get -- stop him from hitting your head on the cement. >> yes, sir. >> that's what you told the police? >> yes, sir. >> so after that first hit, what happened next? >> he started bashing my head into the concrete sidewalk. i was -- as soon as he broke my nose, i started yelling for help. i was disoriented. and he started slamming my head into the concrete. >> which is where lacerations came from? >> yes, sir. >> you said it was like your

head was going to explode. a comment you gave to the police. >> yes, sir. continued to punch me in the head. >> how many times would you estimate that he pump epunched ? >> several. more than a dozen. >> and hitting you hard. at what moment did you -- you said you feared for your life. at what moment do you remember when you literally -- do you remember when you thought that i may die. you said you feared for your life. do you remember the exact moment when you felt that? >> in hindsight, i would say when he was slamming my head into the concrete, and i thought i would lose consciousness. i didn't know what would happen at this point. >> how close was the concrete to the grass? a big issue is the grass straits had you on the clothes. and you wanted to get to the

grass. to protect your head from getting banged on the cement again? >> yes, sir. >> how close in proximity? >> very close to the concrete. >> were you able to get to the grass? >> yes, sir. >> how did you do that? >> i guess you would say shimmy. he was straddled with full weight. i would sit up and push myself down. when i would sit up, he would take the opportunity to slam my head back down, punch me in the head and continue to hit my nose. >> was he faulki intalking to y during this fight? when he was beating you. you say he's beating you, pounding you into the cement. was he talking to you during that time? >> yes, sir. >> and he was saying? >> cursing, telling me to shouldn't, and finally saying he was going to kill me. >> and he said those words. when did he first see your gun?

>> after we were on the ground, i shimmied with him on top of me and made my jacket rise up, and he being on top of me, saw it on my right side. >> what happened after that? >> i saw him take -- he had after -- after he couldn't hit my head on the concrete anymore, he started to try to suffocate me, and i continued to take -- push his hands off my mouth and nose, particularly because it was excruciating, having a broken nose and him putting his weight on it. and that's the point in time he told me to shut up, shut up, shouldn't. >> why did he tell you to shut up? >> i don't know. >> we heard the screams on the one recording from the neighbor calling the police, and there's been some dispute whose voice that is. was that your voice screaming or trayvon martin's voice screaming.

>> that was my voice, absolutely. >> your voice? >> yes, sir. >> and the police heard 14 screams, you were screaming that loud? >> yes, sir. >> and you sawyou said to the p that he put his hand over your mouth. you think to silence you from screaming? >> yes, sir. i believe he -- from what the investigators told me, he knew that i was talking to the police, and i was yelling so that i -- i believe that the police officer was there, and they just couldn't find me, so i was yelling in the hopes that they were in the vicinity and would come when they heard me yelling. >> do you remember when you yourself reached for your weapon? do you remember that moment? >> yes, sir. >> tell us about that. >> at that point, i realized that it wasn't my gun, it wasn't

his gun, it was the gun. >> did he say anything? you said he was talking a lot about the gun. did he notice the gun? >> he said you're going to die tonight [ bleep ]. and took one hand off of my mouth, and i felt it going down my chest toward my belt and my holster and that's when i -- i didn't have anymore time. >> do you think he acted more out of a conscious thought? i know these events happen very quick quickly. do you remember consciously thinking i have to grab my gun, or did you just do it? was there a conscious thought that went through your head, that you thought you were going to die and you had to get your weapon and fire? >> i'd love to give you an answer. >> you don't know? >> it just happened so quickly. >> there was an eyewitness out from the very beginning that, in fact, did tell the police the night of the shooting that he saw trayvon on top of you and

did see the beating. there is no witness to the actual shooting itself. right? >> correct. >> besides yourself? >> correct. >> and we are joined by peter johnson jr. and mercedes cohen and preview what you can expect to come out of zimmerman trial next week. stay with us, tonight on "hannity." [ stewart ] we've never cooked anything like this before. [ male announcer ] introducing red lobster's seaside mix & match. combine any two from a wvariety of seven exciting choices on one plate! all for just $12.99, but only for a limited te. i'm srt harrington, and i sea food differently. there was this and this.

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welcome back to "hannity." our continuing coverage of day five of the george zimmerman trial. joining me is fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. the host of judge alex, judge alex ferar, and fox news legal analyst mercedes cohen.

good to see up. >> good to see you, sean. interview, very specific answers, not sure that george zimmerman will take the stand. >> i thought the interview the great. the questions were great. real critical issues, that he danced a little around. the conscious thought he had before he pulled the gun. when you said to him, what were you thinking? did you feel had you consciously felt your life was in danger and you pulled the gun? >> and he admitted he was dazed. just had his cement beaten into the cement. broken nose, deep pain. >> that's very true. one question. if it ever sees the light of day in court that prosecutor will zero in and say, of course, i thought i was in danger. of course, sean. >> who says your prosecution will play the interview in court. they took statements from him that night. i don't know how many. we'll find out how many they

took, and they will see inconsistent statements. they don't have much more. they really don't. every day i see some evidence come out in the form of a witness that prosecution called that turns out to be a defense witness by the time they are done. every one of them. >> compelling articulation of self-defense. textbook. couldn't be better in terms of zimmerman's case. suffocated, near unconsciousness. sucker punched. hit a dozen times on the head into the ground. according to zimmerman, trayvon martin reaching on his chest in order to take his weapon. >> here is the thing. he definitely lays out a self-defense. there are inconsistencies. for example, he says i'm being suffocated, covering my mouth and nose. after his nose is punched and broken. you anticipate there would be blood on trayvon's hands. >> actually, they dealt with that today with the medical

testimony. the blood would go back. they brought up that today, very smart. >> that is true. you have to assume every drop of blood after he got punched. the prosecution is relying on those questions to kind of raise a doubt about -- >> we are getting into minutia. look at the testimony of the one eyewitness. straddling -- trayvon straddling zimmerman, the mma style, fists going down, screams coming from zimmerman. >> the key issue about that today. the witness said, hey, i heard those cries coming from the lighter-skinned individual on the ground. that is zimmerman. he's the one saying i yelled for help. i was scared, yelling for help. that's when i reached for my gun and -- >> i agree with pete. classic self-defense. >> classic self-defense. and mr. good gave this compelling testimony. ground and pound as if it were

mixed martial arts. if you know anything about mixed martial arts or self-defense, the way to take somebody out quickly is smash them hard in the nose. disorient them and then take them down and ground them into submission. >> let me give you the point i was trying to make. mma, medical records, the nurse testified to indicate that george zimmerman was doing mma training. prosecution will highlight that. the blood on -- let me may my point. trayvon martin, not having blood on his hands. this was lying about him trying to be smothered. here is the thing. these are the types of things that rauz a potential doubt about the majority of the evidence. the majority of evidence is still clearly self-defense. john good said i could see the color red on the bottom, a white

guy. guy dressed in dark clothes on the top. and white guy yelling. >> no skin in the game. he is a guy with nothing to do this. >> the prosecution is the one that has to proof it beyond every reasonable doubt. almost like the defense is proving it. >> i have no idea -- >> i will tell you why. under florida law, if the prosecution does not call a witness who has knowledge that they are aware of, with critical knowledge, the defense has to call them as a witness, the defense is entitled in closing to say we doan have a burr, but we had to call the witness was the prosecution was tailoring its evidence. >> i'll accept that evidence. counselor, counselor, counselor, more with the legal panel after the break, more here on the break, more here on "hannity." [ male announcer ] this is the age of knowing what you're made of.

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we continue with our legal experts. here we are, devastating week for the prosecution. can we all agree on that? >> yes. >> can they recover? >> i think the witness, and even though there were some inconsistencies. >> some? her age. she's 19 years old, junior in high school, never testified before. she used the cracker, the race epitheth. and at the end, the whole testimony, the jury leaning over listening to every word she was saying, she was the last person that spoke to -- >> you are a defense attorney. what happened to you? >> i am a defense attorney. i am trying to give balance. >> i don't think they can recover. i think george zimmerman by florida law deserves an acquittal. this case never should have been brought. >> i don't know what it will show when they are showing inconsistencies or the medical examiner's testimony. i really don't know what

happened. but the prosecution's evidence, what they have for a case up until now looks like a train wreck, and i don't know they can recover. >> it looks like a train wreck. and why, except for politics, would an indictment be brought in this case. and i think the girlfriend's testimony on balance is really bad for the prosecution. >> you know what, peter? you have a jury that will say 19 years old, junior in high school, last person to talk to trayvon martin. and she heard help, help. >> what did she prove? >> an ear witness. hey, i'm being followed. trayvon, run out of there. >> creepy cracker ass. >> an interviewer picked her up and took her to trayvon's mom.

>> creepy ass cracker. i had that backward. >> and this is like lloin the ld case, taking hernandez to lloyd's mother's house. >> she gave an insight into what he was thinking, and he was thinking -- >> he's a kid like she is. >> thinking "n" word, and that is not -- you know, the -- the makings of a day at the ball game. >> judge alex is right here this is an important point and that is, how is it that this woman goes with the mother of the victim to be interviews by the police and state attorney. >> inappropriate. >> the state attorney and the interviewer with the mother sitting next to her at the house. >> i would say you could overturn a guilty verdict based on that. >> all depends on the jury. >> it looks awful. >> the mother is not on the

phone with trayvon. look, they are kids. 19 years old. i'm a defense attorney. we get these types of cases, i get it. >> i am sick of the kids argument. i heard it last night. >> we have heard cases, i heard cases, and the age of the witness. >> we don't justify kids' behavior by using words or thoughts like that. that's not the norm. >> and some slack for being a kid, i'm evaluating her as a witness for the prosecution in that respect, she damaged their case. >> if that's the best they got, they are in trouble. >> i agree. >> and i think acquittal. this is classic self-defense. >> a strong judge says are you right, i will give you the directed verdict, you shouldn't be here to begin with. and this judge will not do it. >> i think this was a misunderstanding, trayvon under the eaves because of the rain, trying to defend his neighborhood because they had breakin. a misunderstanding, a huge, huge tragedy. >> i hope this doesn't set back

race relationships. my hope and my concern. >> great panel tonight. all the time we have left this evening. thank you for being with us. we'll see you back here on monday night. september 11, 2012. that night u.s. ambassador christopher stevens and three other americans perished during eight hours of bullets, mortars, and flames. the political and bureaucratic smoke screen made benghazi, not just a tragedy, but a scandal. hello, from day one, fox news is investigating the big questions surrounding benghazi. how could americans be left so vulnerable in such a dangerous place? did their government leave them to die? did their president try to cover up what happened that night?