rough. and we are going to see what happens with this edward snowden, it sounds like there may be a little bit of movement on that. we'll be watching there. bill: the food gets pretty old at the airport after a week. see you tomorrow. martha: see you tomorrow, everybody. jon: right now brand-new stories and breaking news. jenna: a deadly wildfire in heirs is still out of control before claiming the lives of 19 elite firefighters. new hot shot crews as they are called are on the way to battle these flames that are still burning as we mentioned. a live update is ahead. and western states sizzling under a record heatwave, this is not helping the fire conditions, scorching temperatures hitting triple-digits over the weekend back in full force today. and brand-new surveillance secrets revealed by nsa leaker edward snowden causing tensions overseas. america's closes allies accusing the united states of spying and using cold war tactics. it's all happening now.

we begin with fox news alert on the deadliest day for america's firefighters since 9/11. hello, everybody, glad to have you with us i'm jenna lee. >> reporter: i'm he going jarrett in for jon scott. 119 elite firefighters were killed yesterday while they were trying to deploy tent-like fire retardant structures. family, friends and a country mourning the heros whose bravery and training are only exceeded by the extreme danger of their job. >> the hot shot crew are the people who literally go out on the fire line and attack these with tools and with other implements. they are not the people that have engine companies, and large trucks. these are the core of firefighters where he this are right there in the middle of the incident. >> emotionally?

we are devastated. we just lost 19 of some of the finest people you'll ever meet. right now we are in crisis. i hope my demeanor now does not represent how we all feel, it just happens to be the job that i have at the moment, but truly we are going through a terrible crisis right now. >> reporter: you can just feel the sadness. president obama praising the victims during his trip to africa calling them heros. the fire began with a lightning strike on friday and since then it has grown into a raging inferno around the small community of yarnell, about 85 miles northwest of phoenix. we are live in congress arizona where some yarnell fire evacuees must wait to learn whether their homes have been spared. will. >> reporter: that's right, greg. if you take a look at the headline of the local paper it sums it all up tragedy. i'm standing in front of highway 89. there is a road block here now.

this is the road this hot shot crew raced down yesterday as they went into the fire. take a look at some of the video as to what they encountered. we are talking about the granite mountain who the shots, part of the prescott fire department. these are the guys who go to the front lines and fight the fires with their hands and they do this all of the time. unfortunately something went tragically wrong this time. as you can imagine people in this area are very emotional. take a listen to the fire chief. >> our entire crew was lost. we lost 19 people in this wildfire. it's one of the worst wildfire disasters that has ever taken place. right now we are an organization in the city that is in grief. >> reporter: we are told that the firefighters had what they call fire shelters, if you don't know what that is, it's kind of like a protective cocoon. imagine taking a sleeping bag and tossing it over yourself when the fire jumps on top of you. i spoke to a couple of firefighters down the road, they tell me that you only use these

in a worst case scenario. we are told that the hot shot crew did use the fire shelters yesterday, for some reason they did not work. that is one of many questions that people have as to why it did not protect the lives of the firefighters. more firefighters going back to the front lines today certainly thinking about this tragedy. >> reporter: so many families having to deal with this tragedies. thank you. jenna: record heat rocking several western states for a third straight day. this was what people in parts of nevada and california and arizona saw yesterday, temperatures well over 100 degrees, at least one person has died in a heat-related incident. and today will be unfortunately no better. triple-digits in the forecast again today for places like phoenix and las vegas. the extreme heat taking its toll on a marathon in pass r-r

pasadena, california h. 15 runners had to be treated for heat-related complications. six were hospitalized. we'll have much more on the searing conditions out west. stunning new allegations about our nation's top secret surveillance programs. "the guardian" newspaper reporting that the hugh nighted states has routinely spied on our allies. bugging key european offices in new york and washington and even the eu headquarters in brussels. one german official calling it, quote, cold war tactics. in the meantime admitted nsa leaker edward snowden remains stranded in a moscow airport without a valid passport. as ecuador says it won't decide on his request for asylum until snow ten reaches ecuador yan school. wikileaks founder who has been aiding snowden says the leaking of classified information from snowden will continue. >> there is no stopping the

publishing process at this stage. great care has been taken to make sure that mr. snowden can't be pressured by any states to stop the publication process. jenna: again according to julian assange. catherine herridge is live with more h-frpblgts the secretar more. >> reporter: john kerry peeking to people this morning played down the impact of nsa leaks saying the u.s. has targeted european missions. he says he's working on europe's concerns with its chief representative. >> i want to see the allegations, number of one, and then number two i need to find out what the truth, what the situation is. but lady ashton did indeed raise it with me today and we agreed to stay in touch. i agreed to find out exactly what the situation is and i

would get back to her. >> reporter: german central prosecutors are investigating will laws were broken when the u.s. reportedly spied on european citizens using the nsa's prison program and bugged officers of the european missions on both sides of the atlantic. the public the public khreus coast you are of new nsa documents and the allegations of spying put the relatio relationship between he president obama and angela merkel under new strain. a german spokesman said allegations if they are true set back this relationship. >> if it will be confirmed that in fact diplomatic representations of the european union and single european countries were bugged, we must say very clearly that eavesdropping on friends is unacceptable. it is a no-go. we are not in the cold war any more. >> reporter: a short time ago wikileaks tweeted, monday we will issue several important announcements during the day.

for context a week ago the group held a lengthy conference call with reporters to layout the status of snowden and confirm that the group was helping the nsa leaker in his bid for a saoeul hrupl. within the last few minutes we've had a bulletin that quotes the russian president vladimir putin saying that he will not hand over the nsa leaker under any circumstances. we don't know where that statement was made by the russian president, nor do we have the context, but that is a bulletin from reuters, putin saying he will not hand over the nsa leaker snowden under any circumstances. jenna: we'll wait for the context. we just heard the president speaking in africa saying high level talks have taken place. it will be interesting to find out a little bit more about that comment from putin. thank you for bringing that to our attention. >> reporter: brace yourself, get ready to pay a whole lot more if you're borrowing money for college. interest rates on student loans are set to double today. what this may mean tore yo for you and the economy as a whole coming up in a live report.

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jenna: welcome back. big news today. we've been telling you about the tragic deaths of 19 firefighters battling that wildfire in yarnell, arizona. 2013, is one of the deadliest years in recent memories for firefighters across the country. it's only half over as of now. at least 62 firefighters have already died in the line of duty this year, including the 19 killed yesterday. compare that to 11 firefighter deaths in each of the three previous years. yesterday's tragedy marks the third high hess firefighter death toll from a u.s. wild

fire. the threat to arizona and much of the west is far from over, which means many firefighters in danger as they try to save others. joining us on the phone now from phoenix, arizona is mayor greg stanton. mr. mayor, from all of us we are so sorry for the loss of these firefighters in your state of arizona. can you tell us a little bit about what conditions look like today? >> the investigation is just beginning. we'll learn a lot of information throughout the day. obviously the city of prescott, which is a short drive from phoenix and all of arizona is in mourning today. i know the entire country and the world are in mourning because firefighters are just -- are heros, and when we lose one of our members of public safety the entire community and country rallies around the families. that's exactly what is happening right now. in terms of the investigation we'll be briefed later today. i think it's just beginning. jenna: we do hope to know a little bit more later today as you mentioned, as details come out about this fire.

can you see it from phoenix, mr. mayor? what does the fire seem like? no, no, you can't see it. it's a short dve. prescott is a beautiful, beautiful city a little bit north of phoenix. many people who live in phoenix have vacation properties up there, go up there to visit for the weekend. it's a charming, wonderful, wonderful town. we even had some of the firefighters who were up in the area helping to fight that fire and so, again we are just -- the entire state and country is in mourning right now. jenna: as you just mentioned you september som sent some of your firefighters from the city out to this area. we haven't really heard a lot until today about this elite team. they are called the hot shots. they go into these areas and they are really on the forefront of firefighting in some of these big fires. you have some elite squads like this in phoenix as well. what can you tell us about what they do, who they are, and what kind of teams they are? >> because forest fires are such

a huge issue here in the state of arizona, it wouldn't just be phoenix, but many of the municipal fire departments do have specially trained firefighters that stand ready in case of tragedies like this -- in cases of fire, excuse me that are like this. and they go through special training, obviously the training associated with a forest fire is very different than urban fires. you have to have the personnel available, and so the city of phoenix as well as other cities and the state have special trained firefighters to help in situations like this. jenna: we are seeing some video, in fact of that special team on our -- for our viewers right now on our camera here. unfortunately this is not the same team, this is just one example. but our viewers did see some of the shelter that some of the firefighters try to wrap themselves in to keep them safe from the flames as we know now it did not help this time. mr. mayor, great to have you

today. thank you for taking the time to speak to us and the best to you and your community. >> thank you so much for thinking of the state of arizona during these tough times. jenna: thank you, sir. greg: a horrific accident right in front of a packed audience and acrobat following 50 feet during a circ de soleil performance in las vegas. some audience members say they thought it was part of the show. until he they heard president woman screaming are. the per former later died of her injuries. laura ingle live with more. >> reporter: this is the first reported death in an accident on stage in circ de soleil's 30-year history. it's easy to understand why so many thought the fall was somehow apart of the production. 31-year-old acrobatic artist sarah guyard-guillot, a mother of two was performing in saturday's second performance of the show, "ka" which ends with this elaborate battle screen staged on a vertical wall that

allows performers to suspend high on wires in the air. she suddenly fell off appearing tow have slipped from her safety wires and it was flailing her arms. eyewitnesses talked about it this way. >> obviously i realized very soon it wasn't part of the show. >> you could hear the somebodies and the crying of the artists who were crying for their fellow artists. >> others say screams and groans could be heard coming from the stage. the show was stopped and now all future "ka" performances have been canceled. the clark county coroner's office will be ruling on the cause of death. we just received a statement from circ de soleil, and the founder reads in part as follows, i am heartbroken, i wish to extend my sincerest sympathies to the family. we are all completely devastated with this news h. sasoon, that

is her nickname was an original member of the cast and has been a intricate member of our circ de soleil family. also a statement, its thoughts and prayers are with the performer's family. we'll bring you more information as we get it in the newsroom. jenna: we were told this would not happen under the new healthcare law. a new report says health insurance premiums could skyrocket particularly for one group of americans who could be shelling out more money for medical care very soon. we'll bring you that report right after the break. remember this meteor that exploded over russia? very dramatic. there are brand-new details on how powerful it really was, and they are shocking. pun intended. we'll be right up back with more "happening now."

jenna: headlines we are keeping an eye on this hour for you including this one from the president. the president and former president george w. bush set to meet tomorrow in tanzania, both will participate in a wreath-laying ceremony honoring the victims of the 1998 terror bombing at the u.s. embassy there. in africa as well nelson mandela remains in critical condition today. the former south african president has been hospitalized for nearly a month with a recurring lung inventory effects. president zuma says the 94-year-old is stable but his condition has not changed. we are not giving up, that is a quote, that is the word from proposition 8 supporters after their motion to halt gay marriage in california was denied. justice anthony kennedy making the ruling over the weekend. greg: right now a new report from the "wall street journal" saying that health insurance

rates could double, even triple under obamacare for some folks. and younger healthier americans, well, they are really going to that i can a wallop the biggest financial hit of all. notwithstanding many assurancessesassurances especially from the president that premiums would not go up h-p in light of the federal law about to take effect. talk about sticker shock, jaime. the president tubbed this thing the affordable healthcare act. maybe it ought to be renamed the unaffordablaffordable healthcare act. >> a lot of young americans supported the president. you have to wonder whether they understood what they were supporting when they supported the president in the healthcare law. i think that a lot of them thought they were supporting this law, and that for a very little amount of money they would get a lot of benefits when in actuality they will basically be subsidizing those who are sick and old. as the "wall street journal" reported, and it's in line with other studies that under the state exchanges they could be paying two to three times more

than what is available right now for insurance that isn't particularly come comprehensive. greg: it dolphin tails boy a study dondovetails with a study. if you're underage 25 under obamaifornia male living in san francisco you'll pay 62% more per month. oregon in portland you'll pay 78 more -- 78% more per month. let's move onto other states. in missouri, 89% more. indiana, 91% more. in nevada, 101% more. i mean, whatever happened to the president's promise that this is going to lower costs? >> right, he promised at one point that it could lower costs as much as $2,500 for a family of four. he promised during the campaign the costs would definitely go down, the premiums would go down. the real question it raises,

greg, is whether these kids or young adults will actually pay in and buy insurance and instead just take a penalty which is 1% of their gross income, which would be far less than the rates they'd have to pay to get insurance. if they do that, that could undermine the whole struc infrastructure of the healthcare but. they are depending on young people to pay in to subsidize the sick and elderly. if they don't do it that is a question of how the law will stand. greg: if you get your insurance through your job look out. jaime, it's estimated now 30% of the insurance costs, and we're talking double and triple are now going to be shifted onto the workers, so that means essentially for those workers all over america reduced wages. some people are going to lose their jobs. employers are going to either fire people or put full timers into part time status to comply with this. if that happens i mean that is going to negatively impact

economic tkproet acros growth across america, won't it? >> absolutely. life is not a zero-sum game. when you have legislation there are bad effects and good effects. the problem is with the healthcare law we were sold it like it was fantasy land. if we pass this law only good things will happen. when this begins to become implemented suddenly people who supported this law and thought this would be great and dandy are realizing there is going to be a lot of bad effects, some them will be on them. greg: the president kept saying over and over again, every speech he kept saying if you like your plan you'll get to keep it. now we have this leaked dhs memo which says that two-thirds of businesses, and 80% of small businesses are actually going to be forced to change the plan. so you don't get to keep your plan, and then you've got the association of the american medical colleges saying there is going to be a doctor shortage of 63,000 doctors in just two years

and 140,000 by 2025. i mean isn't that going to mean that quality and access will go down? >> right. there was already a doctor shortage when this bill was put into place. so i don't know how people thought that they could add so many more people to the roles of health insurance and still think they were going to get acceptable healthcare when there are not enough doctors to take care of the people who already had health insurance. the question is what political ramifications will this have when people realize what they thought they were getting, is not what they are getting. how will that affect the polls in 2014, and 2016. greg: it originally was going to cost a billion dollars to implement. the cbo is now saying 5 to $10 billion. and they say when all is said and done you will have 20 million americans who are uninsured. jaime weinstein, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. jenna: fox news alert, we are going to take you to live images

of tahrir square in cairo, egypt. take a look at that. two years ago around the same week we were seeing the same size protests in tahrir square. the question we are talking about today tk and in a segment in about ten minutes, is this the same revolution that has continued for the past several years, or is this the second revolution in egypt, something different? that is a big question. we just got news from the "associated press" that egypt's military which still has a lot of power in this country sent a message to the president, morsi who was a representative at one time in the muslim brotherhood although he says he cut ties that they need to meet whoever is in that administration right now with the opposition leaders within 48 hours. and we'll see if that meeting actually takes place. a lot happening in egypt, once our biggest ally in size in the middle east and north africa. we will be talking about this important news out of that country. and again in about ten minutes from now. here is a question for you, if you closed your eyes could you

recognize the sound of your own child screaming? that is exactly what prosecutors in 4 the george zimmerman murder trial are trying to prove. they want the parents of trayvon martin to testify about the screams heard on a 911 call. a live update and our legal panel takes up this issue straight ahead. we are also keeping an eye on wall street on the first day of a new quarter, first day of july of course as well. thankfully trading in positive territory. we'll keep you posted on your money, we'll be right back with more "happening now."

jenna: the jury? the george zimmerman murder trial heard brand-new testimony from a fbi audio expert. prosecutors are hoping to put the parents of trayvon martin on the stand to identify screams on a 911 call made just moments before their son was killed. phil keating is live in sanford, florida with the latest for us now.

phil. >> reporter: a strategic move by prosecutors, or jenna, rather, by prosecutors as they called one of the defense's audio expert witnesses first to then set up the still to come very emotional testimony anticipated by trayvon martin's mother. inside the courtroom right now sanford police detective doris singleton. she was involved in one . very first initial interviews with george zimmerman the night of the shooting. again today testimony addressing that infamous 911 call with somebody screaming in the background. stkpwhr-f >> 911 do you need police, fire or medical. >> maybe both i'm not sure. there is just someone screaming outside. >> reporter: prosecutors called fbi audio expert who concludes only three seconds of that call is fit for speech analysis and that scientifically the screamer cannot be identified. prosecutors got him to say that

in some instances a morey liable way than science to identify a voice is with a family member. >> including screaming, yelling, under similar set ups. >> there is no methodology for science that can reliably evaluate screams as to speaker identification at this time. >> that is correct. >> reporter: as you heard after that cross-examination, he delivered answers that benefited both sides. this morning george zimmerman walked in with his sister and firmly shook the hands of his defense team. back to the original interviews and interrogations with george zimmerman which the prosecution now is beginning to show the jury. they have said in the past they intend to use george zimmerman's

own words to prosecute him citing several inconsistencies in his version of events. in fact officer singleton there just testifying that when she asked george zimmerman to explain how this all went down and a young boy was shot and killed efpl said well i started a neighborhood watch, we've had a lot of crimes. she said well what made him suspicious? his answer in that first interview was, i had never seen him walking through here before. greg: for more on the latest testimony let's get to our legal panel now. john manuelian is a criminal defense attorney. dan shoor, a former progresses kwaouter. and sues soon constantine who has been in the courtroom for the trial. this expert witness made three points. he said, a, the clara to collar clarity of this is poor. it is brief, only three seconds

long this scream. and third it's a scream, it's not a normal voice pattern. i wonder if it was a mistake for prosecutors to put this expert on the witness stand because all three of those things would diminish the martin parents from take being the witness stand and saying, oh, that is my son. >> i agree that this witness did not help the prosecution. however the defense had called this witness -- would call this witness on their defense case if the prosecution didn't. the prosecution had to call this witness and try to get as much out of them as they could. they are trying to set up the fact that the parents can identify trayvon martin's voice. that will be problematic. they will be seen as emotionally involved in the case and wanting a particular outcome through no fault of their own, they won't be seen as objective witnesses, and you also have the testimony of john good who testified last week, a seemingly impartial neighbor who believes that george zimmerman was the one calling for help. this witness really did not help the prosecution but they probably had to call him.

greg: john, isn't it a wash, because you'll have people on both sides, i mean zimmerman's father is going to say, that is my son. trayvon martin's mother will say, that is my son. and he probably can't call trayvon martin's dad to the witness stand because he initially said it's not my son, a than now he says it is my son. the whole thing is a wash isn't it? >> and also trayvon martin's dad said he thought it was george zimmerman. that doesn't really help the prosecution in this case. you're right it is a wash. ultimately what it's going to come down to is common-sense, why did trayvon martin have his knees wet on the grass and why was george zimmerman on the bottom. who was the aggressor? who was the one with the injuries? and if you use reasonable, common-sense you would say that george zimmerman was the one that was getting the best of him. that is going to be something that the prosecution has to overcome in order to get a reasonable doubt guilty verdict. greg: susan you're the jury expert and you've been inside the courtroom. i'm told by the procee producer

that president jury is taking fastake a lot of notes. especially when john good took the witness stand called by the prosecution, and it was good who said, zimmerman was the victim, trayvon martin was attacking him. what do you make of that? >> well, what we have to look for first of all is what is being spoken at that specific time? what jurors are making notes, and then watching their nonverbal cues of who is leaning in to get closer in to the witnesses proximity, tilting their heads, who are the active listeners and what are they jotting down. what you can find that there is a pattern of what is important to each one of those specific jurors, but they are really paying a lot of tension, not taking as much notes today, as they are listening. after they hear something that is important to them they are jotting it down.

greg: dan, prosecutors had to call john good to the witness stand because under florida law if they don't that allows the defense to say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution with us trying to hide a witness, john good. but in the end was good a disaster for the prosecution? >> absolutely. he confirms the defense's defense. before the trial started it seemed that george zimmerman would have to testify because he wants to put forward his self-defense claim. now that you have john good testifying that zimmerman appeared to be on the bottom of the fight before he shot trayvon martin, you know, maybe now george zimmerman won't even need to testify because self-defense has already been put forth into the facts of the case to be decided by the jury, by the prosecution. so it was a real problem for the prosecution, as you said they had to call him but it certainly didn't help them. greg: john, to that point, in addition to john good, do you think 4 forthcoming the defense will be able to get their client's testimony in through

the reporting police officers? after all he gave a great many statements to them, including a video taped re-enactment the next day. >> yeah, that might also be a judgment call as to how much of that evidence is going to come in without the testimony. typically in a self-defense case a defendant needs to testify as to his own version of events. but since in this case the prosecution has had enough time to get statements from zimmerman, specifically the videotaped statements that has given the police -- he went on a police ride and explained everything to what happened there is a potential that he may not go on the stand because everything has already come out through other pieces of evidence. greg: yeah, all right, susan last question to you. if zimmerman chooses not to take the witness stand there will be a jury instruction from the judge to the jury that says, you know, he has a perfect right to do that, you're not to hold it against him. but don't jurors by and large yearn to hear from the lips of the accused, i didn't do it? and if that doesn't happen,

sometimes they do hold it against him? >> you know what, there is different opinions about that, but certainly most jurors will tell you they want to hear their side of the story. in this indication i believe that there is so much circumstantial evidence here, you know, that there is not -- i don't think that zimmerman would really need to take the stand in this particular case. i think that -- go ahead. greg: that is all right. i've got to wrap it up. there are conflicting accounts here and look, if skwraorg jurors get back to the jury room scratching their head saying i can't figure out what happened that night that equals automatically under the law reasonable doubt. thank you all. please come back as the trial continues. >> thank you. greg: peeking of which our continuing coverage of the george zimmerman trial is streaming live on foxnews.com. all you have to do is log onto our home page and click on the link on the right-hand side of the page. jenna. jenna: i was doing that all friday afternoon. it's a great video stream.

tensions in egypt now at a boiling point as protests grow by the day. one one side of your screen on the left you see live images of that ha rear square. on the right you see what happened to the muslim brother hollywood head carters. the protestors want change, but who do they want in the place of morsi? that is a question we'll have michael singh. remember the massive meteor that exploded over a city in russia? scsing new data that shows how powerful the blast was. we'll tell you about it ae ahead.

jenna: brand-new stories coming up next hour here on "happening now." a brave police officer steps in to save a toddler held at knife point in a grocery store. the shocking surveillance video you do not want to miss. a so-called war on monday. in north carolina protestors

speaking out against sweeping new changes to the state's unemployment laws. the latest coming up in a live report. and a rise in websites providing short-term housing sparking new questions about regulation, why some say the casual rentals should come with mandatory inspections and registration fees, just like hotels. we'll explain coming up. [sound of explosion] greg: remember that? cameras rolling as a meteor exploded over russia last february, and now brand-new details on just how powerful it really was. according to a new report scientists say the shock wave from that blast was so forceful it traveled twice around the globe, and those same scientists found the meteor's explosive energy the equivalent of 460kilotons of tnt. the atomic bomb dropped was the

equivalent half 16 kilotons of tnt. jenna: egypt's mythical crisis is coming to a head. armed men storming the headquarters of the muslim brotherhood in cairo asthmas i have protests. they want mohammed morsi to resign. we are getting reports from reuters and others that egypt's powerful military is stepping in giving m organization rsi and the protestors 48 hours to come to an agreement at some sort of meeting or the army will intervene. joining me now is michael singh former senior director of middle eastern affairs at the national security council. what a day and what fast-moving changes. what do you make of the military's move here and basically their ultimatum? this is they say morsi's last chance. >> jenna it's not surprising. the military has made noises in the last few days that it could intervene if it felt it was

necessary, and the military has made clear i would say throughout these past two years that its primary interest is in stability. they've largely -- remember they were governing at first after moo bar i ca mohamed elbaradei hosni mubarak fell. they have been interested in civil it because they have a large stake in the economy and the smooth function of the state. they are looking at the protests, clashes taking place over the last couple of days with tremendous concern about that stability. jenna: do you think we are seeing or will see a military cue if you wil ku, if you will. >> it's possible. the difference between what is happening today and what happened two years ago with the fall of hosni mubarak is that when hosni mubarak fell you had the muslim brotherhood and the liberal opposition on the same side and nobody supporting hosni mubarak. here we've got two very large

and well armed camps, sort of pitted against one another. and it's not clear whether the military could simply say, you know, sort of put those two sides apart and stop the fighting. jenna: in the past we've given the military billions and billions are dollars in support of egypt as a state. again once our biggest ally when you look at the size of the country and north africa and the middle east. what would be best for us as far as the outcome here? >> i think the obama administration has been mainly interested in the stability of egypt and in egypt's foreign relations. obviously the foreign relations are not really an issue here. internal stability very much is. the administration has sort of pled with the protestors to remain peaceful, to sort of use politics to resolve their differences. but at the same time we are sort of trapped in a sense, supporting the morsi and muslim brotherhood government because we don't see many alternatives. the liberal opposition has not used the past two years to

organize. now the well organized people are the harder line islamists. jenna: i only have 20 seconds here. we had a guest on friday that told us iffy egypt descend into total chaos that will be more threatening to our national security and the stability of the region than what is happening in syria, do you agree or disagree with that? >> it's hard to compare the two because they are both very threatening. i any egypt, remember sits right astride this important suez canal transit between the pacific after the atlantic. egypt has been considered the heart of the arab world. it's a big threat iffy egypt goes under this time. jenna: we will continue to watch it throughout the day. thank you as always for your expertise, we appreciate it very much. >> thank you, jenna. greg: all right a deal-breaker on capitol hill that could be a budget buster for millions of college students all over america. a live update on student loans and why they just got a whole lot more expensive. the great outdoors...

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greg: there is a standoff on capitol hill that could have a huge impact on america's college students and the u.s. economy. high interest rates on federally subsidized loans just doubled after lawmakers failed to reach a deal before today's deadline. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel standing by with more. >> reporter: congress is not here this week to address it so students will wait to see how this plays out. there was a bi-partisan senate plan proposed by west virginia joe manchin, lamar alexander from tennessee, and richard burr from north carolina: it would link student loans to the financial markets rather than having congress set the rates. >> this would be fair to the tax

may payers an taxpayers and fair to the students. under their plan it would be fair to the students because we would not be reducing the federal debt on the back of the students. >> reporter: among the concern for senate democrats on the student loan issue is how long rates would last and whether it would generate a surplus. senate democrats were backing a plan that would extend the current rates for two years. >> we have to insure that when students take these loans out they deserve predictability and certainty that they won't get locked into very, very high interest rates. so any adjustable rate should have a reasonable cap. not only do we embrace these principles, student organizations embrace these principles. students across this country would rather have no deal than a bad deal. >> reporter: experts say a cooling off period with lawmakers back home in their home districts may help the matter. >> the broader point here is i think in some ways letting the rate expire would actually be a

good thing in that it brings people back to the negotiating table. once constituents see that this will hit them in their pocketbooks the tends to get people back in a compromise mood. >> reporter: house republicans are enjoying the fact that they passed what what they call a common-sense plan and they are blasting 4 senate democrats for leaving town without taking action on behalf of the students and their families. jenna: nsa leaker spilling u.s. secrets again. this time edward snowden managed to infuriate some of america's closest allies. how much could the new charges complicate relations with our key partners? we'll talk about that at the top of the hour. today marks the 150th anniversary of the three ao-day battle of gettysburg. a turning point, a true turning point in the civil war. re-enactments of that epic showdown are already playing out today. we'll go live to that historic battlefield next hour.

>> right now, branded new stories and breaking news. >> the 19 brave firefighters lost in arizona as investigation into their death continues. some of the deadliest fire fighting disasters in our nations history. all this, and millions of americans with sweltering heat. how much longer will we have to suffer through triple digits? a live report out of los angeles. in the toddler being held at knife point at a grocery store. the frantic 911 call and tell police brought the scene to an end. ♪ >> some brand-new outrage over the latest revelations from nasa leaker snowden. >> hi, everybody, look into our second hour of "happening now."

snowden disclosing new documents at th "the guardian" newspaper f how services spied on european union with dozens of missions and embassy for targets. germany, uk, france and italy. now some of those countries are infuriated by this. france demands the u.s. stop reported eavesdropping immediately. sector states john kerry explains many nations use lots of different kinds of activities to protect their national interest. our next guest writes this, espionage is a fact of life. the technology exists and will be used either by friend or foe. europe's problem with the continued belief neutrality and goodwill are enough against the

world's threats. liberty is not the world's default position. the man who wrote that, michael rubin, resident advisor at aei. so no big deal? what should our response be when our allies are so angry about this report, how should we respond? >> a lot of this is actually faux outrage. a minister revealed the british had been spying on the united nations including u.n. secretary-general. and also, the french according to financial newspapers maintain their own economic warfare school, so this suggests this will be a teapot that will blow over however the europeans may huff and puff. jenna: does it concern you about the comments of the economic treaties in place and some of the language we have seen, some

of the relationships may be at risk? >> the real threat when it comes to espionage in europe and the united states is when the russians and the chinese, therefore suspect cooler heads will prevail once they get the briefings on with the europeans themselves are doing and from their own security services where the real threats lie. jenna: why would we just keep an eye or an ear was going on with the allies? >> when it comes to diplomacy and discussing trade treaties we are going want a competitive advantage and that is nothing unknown. that is why governments have classified systems.

the other thing have to watch out for, however, have a lot of technology which we share with europe. we want to be darn sure the europeans aren't leaking any materials to the chinese, russians are those who might have a greater cause in the produce and democracies. jenna: do you operate under the assumption that our embassy is buzzed under great surveillance on the seas? >> indeed, it is not just my opinion on this. ask any diplomats and they'll tell you their basic assumption is we are constantly under surveillance whether they are in russia, in cuba or frankly in london or france. i doubt the target or the perpetratorno" is simply a sine country, simply the host country. the russian, the chinese and others operate all the time in

this manner. turkey was mentioned in the snowden leaks as united states conducting espionage on it. when i was in the u.s. government whenever i would go to the capital turkey on official business, they would always put me in other officials in the same exact hotel room and we were under the assumption that is because those hotel rooms were bust i. jenna: thank you for sharing that with us. we have been following the developing news of vladimir putin coming out in his comments about edward snowden. the president in africa today mentioned high-level talks going on. our sister network overseas says officials are under negotiation between the countries did president putin says this that his country will not hand over snowden to the united states but adds this, if snowden want to

stay in russia must stop the work at harming our american partners. interesting language, i wonder what you think about the back-and-forth developing. >> trusting vladimir putin on any of this is like cressey are safe to put out the fire. we have to be careful of the negotiations we enter into in russia because perhaps the concessions the russians would demand are greater than the price of these leaks already coming out, many of which have been empathized to start with regarding the national security agencies activity. jenna: great to have you on the program, we look forward to having you back. >> thank you for having me. gregg: fox news alert, 19 elite firefighters killed in arizona in the deadliest wildfire involving u.s. fire crews in decades. they are known as the hotshots, all wiped out losing 19 of the

20 members. the out-of-control wildfire in the small town about 85 miles northwest over phoenix. the flames overtaking a firefighting unit now those who knew them are bracing. >> bear in mind the families are in terrible shock. fire departments are like families and the entire family, interstate is devastated by the magnitude. if you ever met them, they are some of the most dedicated guys. they will walk 5 miles with equipment, they will sleep out there. creating the production between homes, natural resources, these are quality people. gregg: a fire destroying dozens of homes forcing residents to head to higher ground.

we will have more details for you as they come in. tragically so many other wildfires have claimed the lives of firefighters. let's take a look at some of the deadliest. nine people killed in california when a helicopter crashed taking them back. in oregon, eight killed on their way home that of an in idaho. fighting a tractor-trailer. july 1994 a wildfire in colorado killed 14 firefighters who were overtaken by sudden explosion flames. back in 1953, july, the rattlesnake fire in southern son california claiming the lives of 15 firefighters. in august of 1949, 12 smoke firefighters killed in montana being overtaken. extreme weather alert and the brutal heat wave with the deadly

wildfire in northern phoenix and record temperatures now spreading across the west. the mercury soaring high in the triple digits coming close to the hottest temperatures ever recorded on earth. folks trying hard to beat the sweltering heat and stay cool. live in los angeles with more on that. where are we seeing the most little temperatures right now? >> really across the southwest a lot of temperatures continuing for a number of days. in l.a. downtown expected to be in the 90s. but much more humid than we ever see in southern california. a little to the east you start getting into the high desert regions. vegas 117 were told today. in death valley expected to be 130. close to the highest temperature ever sent back in 1913. i got 128, we are told of a number of tourists who have

rented cars in southern california or vegas just to drive out there to be in death valley, the hottest days of the year. not necessarily the most intelligent thing to do. a number of elderly people in the vegas area have succumbed to the heat because there is no air conditioning in their houses. it has been difficult to get across the west. and we have the fire conditions. the reason why it is so tough, we spoke with the national weather service over the weekend of what is heat wave in particular has been so difficult on much of california, arizona and nevada. take a listen. >> it lasts many days and when that happens, the longer class the more stressful it is on the entire environment and livelihood of people. >> people it impacts. we have overcast skies, don't want to fall you, already starting to warm up pretty good and still a ways to go before the high downtown.

gregg: roll up those sleeves put on the sunscreen. the heat not only health risk obviously for people, but a risk of wildfires, right? >> yeah. as w visiting with you with our colleagues over there and the 19 firefighters lost, all this does is add the difficult fire season in the southwest. tinder dry as we have seen. with the dry conditions, when you add this kind of intense heat, all it does is make those conditions that much more difficult. firefighters across the region, across the southwest say we don't need the heat especially this early in the summer, watching conditions very closely and if the wind was to come up to make it that much worse. a difficult time in the southwest with this massive heat wave continuing for a couple more days. gregg: my sister e-mailed me and said the air is so hot and heavy outdoors it is hard to breathe.

120 degrees in the desert area where she is. thank you very much, adam. stay cool in the pool. thanks. >> or in this fountain. jenna: a key american partner under increasing pressure today, millions of protesters filling the streets of cairo demanding the resignation of the now president as a nation's military warns it may step in to stop the chaos. a live report straight ahead. and it has been called the battle that saved the unions. we remember gettysburg 150 years later after its first day of that battle. and writers going the extra mile for coast to coast all the way to the boston marathon finish line. >> just overwhelming. people here, all the heartfelt,

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gregg: right now a tidal wave of anger sweeping over egypt. millions of protesters filling the streets of cairo and other streets across the nation for a second day demanding president marcy step down and offering ultimatum to the united nations. >> aegis long-running political crisis seems to be entering a new phase today. hundreds of egyptians took to the streets: i'm president mohammed morsi to resign his presidency. other supporters of morsi took to the street and some of the largest protest we have seen in egypt in months. a short while ago the powerful

military issued an ultimatum to morsi, the muslim brotherhood and protesters, military called on the nation's feuding leaders to agree on a roadmap to end the turmoil in the next 48 hours. the military says if they do not, it will step in essentially just issued an ultimatum and a threat to sue. they do not want to get involved with politics, but it clearly is a threat to intervene and take power away from the democratically elected morsi government. anti-opposition groups are angry and have been protesting for months. critics complain he has failed to fix it just failing economy, he and the muslim brotherhood have curbed religious freedom. it is not clear they want this level of involvement by the military. many have called on the military to intervene and protect protesters but it is not clear they want the military to

overthrow morsi or even get involved like this. military ruled egypt for decades. they upped the ante. now they're setting up a real challenge to both the morsi protesters to see this will involve into more violence it is still unclear. gregg: thank you very much. egypt is on a tinderbox right now. the fumes were lit last year, mohammed morsi won the presidency after he divided election. he then makes a power grab last november stripping the judiciary of the right to challenge his decision pting himself above the court and the law. he sign signed the constitutiono law creating a legal system based on islamic law.

and then tensions boil over in january roughly 200,000 people taking to the streets protesting against president morsi marking two years since the overthrow of mubarak. jenna: this next story is a great one, 24 days and 3300 miles later 1000 runners now crossed the boston marathon finish line in the final stage of the one run for boston relay race. a cross-country nonstop race organized to raise money for terror attack victims. one runner described her experience. >> i was so overjoyed to see the finish line, when i got see the finish line, it was indescribable, a life-changing event for so many people. my father's life will never be the same. he has worked so hard to get to

today, i really wanted to do this. gregg: they called for runners all of the country to sign up for one of the more than 300 sections mapped out across 14 states. they ended just before one 1:0. this morning. gregg: congratulations. i want to talk about new changes sparking massive protest across one state, 100s of people are absolutely outraged. plus, stunning new surveillance video. a man holding a toddler at knife point inside of a grocery store and how one man's brave actions saved this little girl's life. >> prior to knowing the situation, knowing the situation was deteriorating actually walked around to see he had a round in the chamber because he knew if he was going to take the shot, he had one chance.

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jenna: right now dramatic new surveillance video showing a man who grabbed a two-year-old girl in a grocery store and then put a knife to her throat. live at the breaking news desk with more. >> this is really startling video. i started as a horrifying scenario for any parent. and mom takes her two-year-old girl shopping and then this 911 call. >> there is someone with a knife holding a little girl hostage. jenna: and it was all caught on tape. watch as a deranged man is seen on the surveillance video snatch the toddler out of her moms shopping cart, walking around holding a knife to her throat.

they got him a chair at one point and sitting in it in an aisle with a man sat down with the girl. when he moved to the knife and got the knife closer to her throat, that is when an officer shot him point blank in the head. listen. >> he made sure he was at point-blank range so there's no ability to harm the child. there's always that chance, he thought the child was being harmed or stabbed, he would not have shot him. jenna: he had a history of mental illness according to the family. the girl was not harmed. back to you. jenna: thank you. gregg: right now new changes to state unemployment law sparking a protest in north carolina. police arresting more than 600 protesters. the so-called moral monday demonstrations continue today.

jonathan's live in atlanta with the details. >> over the weekend cutbacks went into effect. protesters say this is just the latest reason i plan to return to the state legislative complex late this afternoon. protesters say they are advocating for the poor who they say are being harmed by legislation passed by the g.o.p. the first time in more than a century republicans control the governorship and both chambers of north carolina legislature. they say the issue is and morals but money. >> to $7.1 billion in state debt, top of all that we owe the feds $3 billion in unemployment insurance so we have been working hard to get the fiscal house in order. >> that opted out for the program for 500,000 people. g.o.p. legislators have proposed reducing state income taxes and increasing sales tax.

as well as cuts in public school funding and restrictions on early funding. >> simply because it can. >> state and local authorities have spent $60,000 the past eight weeks providing extra officers and processing roughly 500 protesters who have been arrested. >> with a losing team of the super bowl protest in the locker room because they lost the game, they fumbled the ball? they are wasting taxpayer resources. >> this is just the beginning, we're going to mobilize our voice echoed from the mountains to the state. >> republican lawmakers insist the demonstrations won't distract them from their agenda but protesters say all the media attention they're getting outside the general assembly makes up for some of the political power they lack on the inside. gregg: jonathan live in atlanta.

jenna: new questions about whether nsa leaker edward snowden had his hands i getting information and if it came from the reporter who broke the story. coming up. plus a president making big headlines on his final stop, ed henry has more. >> that is right. he's going to go with an unlikely partner, george w. bu george w. bush. george w. bush. that story coming up. hey linda!

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jenna: right now the president making headlines today in tanzania on the final leg of his african trip, mr. obama weighing in on russia's refusal to hand over the fugitive nsa leaker during a news conference with the tanzania president. ed henry is live in tanzania and has the details. >> reporter: good to see you, jenna. kind of a festive end to this

week-long journey. the president was dancing to some of the local traditional dances. he arrived here with the first lady. but, you know, dancing as this he didn't have a care in the world, in fact his foreign policy very much on defense right now. he got questions at this news conference about his policy regarding egypt and whether or not he's too close to mohammed morsi of the muslim brotherhood who is facing all the massive protests. he got a question about about edward snowden as you mentioned. it sound end as the president was pressed on that case that the u.s. is not any closer to tracking the leaker down. take a links. >> we don't have an extradition treaty with russia. on the other hand mr. snowden, we understand, has traveled there without a valid passport, without legal papers, and we are hopeful that the russian government makes decisions based

on the normal procedures regarding international travel and the normal interactions that law enforcement have. so, i can confirm that. >> reporter: so this trip ends on tuesday and the president will end it with an unlikely ally, former republican president george w. bush, the two of them will be appearing at a wreath-laying ceremony at the u.s. embassy here in tanzania. of course that was the sight of the terrible 1998 terrorist bombings. they are coming together on that issue and also on the issue of aid to africa. the reason why the former president is here with his wife laura is they are putting the finishing touches on a health clinic helping women in africa with cervical cancer. they have been battling hiv aids and malaria making sure he pushes back on all of that as well. it's a rare opportunity for two u.s. presidents to be in the same foreign country at the same

time. jenna: we'll be watching for that. thank you so much. greg: right now stunning new reports that fugitive nsa leaker edward snowden may have had help with his plan to reveal state secrets long before he took the job that landed him as a contractor at the nsa, the national security agency. jim pinkerton joins us. and alan colmes host of the alcombs radio show and good to see you both. snowden told a chinese newspaper that he took the job with the intent, the advanced intent and purpose of stealing classified information and then publishing that, and now you've got "the washington post" reporting that in fact before he took the job he had glen greenwald get an encryption key for skype, so that he, snowden, could give the classified intel to greenwald,

the stolen intel. and let me quoted ward epstein from the "wall street journal," quote, so before mr. snowden proceeded with this nsa penetration in march of 2013 he had assistance either witnessing lee or unwittingly in a arrange thanking the secure channel of encrypted communications that he would use to facilitate the publication of class tpaoeu tpaoeud intelligence. does it look to you bike glen greenwald was more complicit in all of this than we knew before? >> no, because that is old news. the news that they had got even an encryption key to share information was reported at the time of the original guardian leaks. the real news i think of the last few days on the snowden case has been the role of contractors. "the washington post" reported last thursday that the company that vetted snowden actually did a bad job and apparently that is

in violation of the rules with the office of personnel management, and in fact 45% of all the background checks in the country, including nor n for snowden are done by private contractors. we have contractors vetting contractors. it think it's much more disturbing that he got hired by the u.s. government as a contractor than whatever he did with greenwald and any other journalist. greg: alan what do you think? is there a possibility here, glen greenwald may have crossed the line and done more than mere reporting. >> i think that is idle speculation. he's getting his information in anyway he can, and indeed if he takes an encrypted channel to get it it may be because he wanted secure means of getting the information like any reporter would do. greg: the point i'm trying to make is that all of this as you arranged before snowden ever went to work. >> i agree with what jim said. there is no evidence that he was a participant, participating in anything that was done illegally. he was trying to get the information and i think, jim also had a good point in saying that how is this person vetted? how is snowden vetted before he

got his job? it might be good to do some investigative reporting on that. but as far as we know glen greenwald is a are the roer, certainly an advocacy journalisy that makes sense for him to get private information and not to be scooped by other officers. greg: the other thing about greenwald is he keeps appearing on television and referring to edward snowden as a whistle-blower. he ought to read the whistle-blower statute as a lawyer, because snowden doesn't qualify as a whistle-blower. it was a legal act because a judge approved it and second of all snowden didn't follow the reporting requirements. isn't greenwald continuing to mislead the public? >> a whistle-blower is a loose term. but, look -- >> it's a legal term. >> well, no, it's a loose term when you're saying it like we are saying it. the burden is on snowden here, he is the guy who worked for the government. he's the guy who took -- agreed to all the rules about classified information and then broke them all.

greenwald, like me, like you, like alan, like our friend james rosen is a journalist who has a different set of rules and obligations, and first amendment protections to deal with. he's not a -- >> he's not a partisan or advocate. >> of course he's an advocate. we are all advocates for something. the editorial, the ep teen piece takes it away from snowden and tries to put it on dash cash. >> glen greenwald continues to exist that what he published did not harm national security, and yet you've got general alexander, the nsa head, who says it caused significant and irreversible damage. the two intel chairs, dianne feinstein and mike rogers both say it caused severe damage, i mean even john ker raoerbgs secretary of state said people will die because of this disclosure. how in the world can greenwald claim, oh, none of this harmed national security. he doesn't know that, does he?

>> jim and i actually are in total agreement on this particular addition in that the burden should not be on greenwald. the burden is on snowden, that is where the focus should be. and indeed just like james rosen, or jim or myself, and particularly greenwald happens to be an advocacy journalist who stands for something. he does have a point of view, the word journalist encompasses a lot of things and and that's one of the things that greenwald does. greg: would you agree that there is no way that glen greenwald would know that this harmed stphaeugs tphal security? >> susan rice has said she doesn't know of any evidence. greg: would you agree that dianne feinstein and mike rogers and secretary of state john kerry would know better than glen greenwald whether it hurt national security? >> look, if it's true that the burden falls on reporters, reporting news we are all in trouble, including this segment here. we are doing that much more to distribute information about the nsa and so on. the burden has to be on the leaker not the leaky. if greenwald is guilty then so

is fox news and "the washington post" and every other media outlet that has reported a part of the story. greg: good to see you guys. >> thanks. >> thank you. greg: right now there is a title wave of anger sweeping over egypt. we'll show you more are the pictures coming up. jenna: it's going to be one of our top stories of the day in fact as we hear from the military now that there is only 48 hours. something is going to happen over the next two days in egypt. there is going to be something that comes of this. and we'll be talking to walid faris or foul of this what it means to our country and national security after this break. we are live at gettysburg the site of one of the most decisive battles in american history. a battle historians called the turning point in our civil war. the first shots ringing out exactly 150 years ago today. we'll mark this major milestone coming up. connect 1200

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jenna: turmoil right now in egypt. rehave live pictures from protestors gathering in tahrir square, the heart of the revolution just two years ago. they are demanding the ouster of president mohammed morsi. there is a big question about who they would liken stead. that is something we'll talk about. the military in the country issued an ultimatum threatening to intervene unless calm is restored and only if mohammed morsi meets with opposition leaders. moments ago check out this image. those are military helicopters flying over the crowd in tahrir square. hanging from the helicopters are egypt flags. we'll leave the image up on the screen and bring in waleed faris a fox news middle east and

terrorism analyst. what are we watching here? >> we are watching actually probably what woul could be the real arab spring in egypt, the one that began in the first wave in january of 2011 that ended with the mohammed morsi gentleman skwraoepl taking over. let me give you an idea about the numbers. those protesting, against hosni mubarak january 25th were 1.5 million people. yesterday across egypt close to 20 million egyptian citizens have protested against mohammed morsi. and today we have the press release statement read by a high ranking official of the armed forces demanding indirectly that the government would listen to the people. what that means basically is that mohammed morsi will have to dialogue and will have to make a concession, although they did not say it. what we see today are demonstrations across egypt and in cairo basically demanding the departure of mohammed morsi. i don't think the armed forces will go as far as demanding directly, but they are signifying to mohammed morsi

that these masses on the streets are the majority of egypt. jenna: big picture you mentioned the arab spring. one of the concerns about the arab spring and how it played out specifically in egypt is the thinking was the islam *ses whoever they are in whatever country are the best organized, best funded, best connected in social welfare to the people. for that reason among others they will be the strongest parties as the political process, if it's democracy that will play out. that raises a concern here for us in the united states that we'd see islamists governments across the middle east. what is this telling us about that notion? is this saying that egypt wants to be secular, is it saying something different? what is it telling us on this particular point. >> in my point that i published in 2010 i predicted basically there will be a right of of civil society. and i made a projection that the most organized are going to win the first chapter. now we are the second chapter. the egyptian people understood what mohammed morsi and his

muslim brotherhood are going to to in egypt, that is the establishment, gradually though of an islamist regime. what you see on the ground and the streets of egypt is not the first wave, it's not the muslim brotherhood taking over. you see a deeper wave, 20 million people ricing against the brotherhood. the only problem is the leadership. if that wave is able to push back gains mohammed morsi and it's not done yet. mohammed morsi will resist this. and there is another very important point, the u.s. position. the administration -- jenna: i'm glad you brought that up. that's exactly where i was going to go next. the president made interesting comments on what is happening in egypt at this moment in africa a few hours ago. he said our commitment to egypt has never been around a particular individual or to a party, our commitment has been to a process. and he goes onto talk about democracy being the priority not necessarily naming someone that the united states wants to get behind. what do you think about that? >> well, that of course pictures are speaking.

the obama administration now realizes that what it has done over the past two to three years was to coop, partner with the muslim brotherhood. i can tell you one thing, look at many delegation -gs who came from egypt to washington and they were received at the state department and the white house. who were they? the muslim brotherhood. there was a major mistake in d.c. in not recognizing that there was an opposition to the brotherhood. now it's becoming reality: i assume the president will have to revise his policy with regard to egypt. jenna: do you expect him to come out and say i'm behind the head of the military in egypt? is that something that you don't see him doing? and what is the effect of that? >> no, everybody in egypt actually -- there is a consensus between the military and those rising against mohammed morsi the seculars they don't want a neutral regime. the brotherhood are saying the military will come back, no. everybody is conscious in egypt. what the administration needs to do is to call on these representatives of the seculars, of the 20 million people who walked yesterday in egypt to come to the international

community, to be recognized, and there should be a dialog between the two parties. at this point in time mohammed morsi cannot rule egypt any more. 20million people marched against him the biggest demonstration ever in the history of demonstrations. >> it's not just kr*frg conversations or meetings taking place at the state department in washington d.c. but billions of our taxpayer dollars have gone to egypt during the last few years of mohammed morsi's rule. we hope to have you back this week to talk more about it. thank you, sir. >> thank you. greg: the turning point in our long civil war and the first shots at gettysburg rang out 150 years ago today. we'll look back at why the bloody battle played such a pivotal role in our nation's history. we are live on the battlefield next.

jenna: 150 years ago ta the country witnessed one of the events that really defined america forever, the battle of gettysburg seen by many as the turning point of the civil war. one of the only papers still around today that covered the battle of gettysburg was the saturday evening post. their reporters and i will straighters risked their lives to cover the civil war, and joining us now is jeff kneel sopbt historian of the still published, still around saturday evening post. jeff, great to have you with us today. it's remarkable to see the newspaper around that time, a few days before this battle started and how the journalists knew that this battle was going to be a defining moment. why did they know that? >> well, it was probably a good about judgment based on the number of troops coming into gettysburg at the time. there were 675,000 confederates marching into pennsylvania and

90,000 coming up from the army of the p patomac. and the size of battle with that many soldiers was going to be decisive. it was decisive politically because at that cause the union cause was at a low point and lee was gambling on a victory convincing the north that it should couldn't win the war and it would have to start negotiating with the south. jenna: very interesting. i think that is one of the things that struck me most about your writing recently is that description of the north being weak when we really hear a lot about the north having the better supply lines and better organization than the south. jeff, what do you think is the most untold story about gettysburg? i just want to mention to our viewers we'll see some of the folks that are at gettysburg right now that are reenacting some of the battles when we show some of the video. what about the untold stories? >> i think one of the most remark anal stories that i came across, gettysburg has been covered in books and in movies for so long that we are all fairly familiar with it, but what i found interesting was the

role that women played at gettysburg. of course they weren't on the front lines, but there were about the time a quarter of a million women in the united states working for the sanitary commission, the christian commission, a number of support programs providing medical supplies, food, clothing, and support for the wounded soldiers. these were -- this was aid that was not available through the u.s. m so it was very valuable and very life-saving for a lot of the soldiers who might not have survived otherwise. jenna: a that is fascinating. i hadn't heard that either. thank you for sharing that with us. we talk about it being a defining moment. how do you see it as a historian? how did it define our country? >> i think that after 1865 the end of the war, this country was definitely launched towards what we would recognize as the modern united states of america. you know, prior to that moment coming into the war there are two versions of the united

states that were in conflict, a version that supported slavery and a version that wanted slavery abolished. they were coming towards each other, they had tried negotiating. it hadn't worked. starting in 1861 the war began and everybody knew that coming out of this war it's seats going to be a divided nation with a north and a south, would than for civil rights and one for slavery or a united states where all slavery is abolished. whichever way it happened it was going to be a different country than it was before. and the nature of the war that was waged, the technological advances that came about, there is a lot about th the united states in the civil war that look similar to today. jenna: thank you for being on the program. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. jenna: we will w be right back with more of "happening now." let's play:

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