that is all from florida tonight. thank you for being with us. we'll see you again tomorrow night. make sure you go to gretawire.com. there is an open thread to talk to us. time. any time. hello, i am eric bolling with kimberly guilfoyle, bob beckel, dana perino, greg gutfeld. it is 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." the second week of testimony has gun in the george zimmerman trial. zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder for the shooting death of trayvon martin in february, 2012. a shooting he claims was in self defense. joining us from sanford, florida, on the record host greta vansusteren who was in the courtroom for the dramatic testimony. there's no one better to see and hear the drama than you.

give us a sense what went down from your perspective. >> eric, it was fascinating being in the courtroom. i watched it on television, but when you're actually inside and get to see the players, fascinating to see the prosecutors and the defense lawyers, then there's the defendant, the one in such deep trouble, and who could end up going to prison for a long time. if you swing your eyes to the other side of the courtroom, you see the family of trayvon martin, obviously grief stricken, they're there to find out what happened. and it is terrible, both sides have a hostility from the defense and prosecution and you have the jury, and it is only six people here in florida, unlike most juries where there are about 12. the judge takes the bench, a woman judge, no nonsense, won't let the people in the media have a keyboard or ipad. she's very strict. a voice expert that works for

the fbi and the purpose is -- when 911 calls were made in the background, you could hear people yelling for help, the question, who was that, was that george zimmerman or trayvon martin who is not here to say he did it. george zimmerman says he's the one, and that he's the one calling for help. why that's so important because the question is who is the aggressor in the brawl. today this expert, fbi, called by the prosecution, gets on the witness stand, says he can do some scientific to determine voice analysis but not in this instance, they don't have enough clean time to do the analysis. the expert can't say it is george zimmerman, can't say it was trayvon martin. what he does say, the first good thing to happen to the prosecution in days, he says one person or two people who can give you an opinion about whether it is likely trayvon martin is his family, his mother. so we expect to hear from her

soon, expect to hear she will say that is her boy. there's been some discrepancy, his father was asked about it early on, not in the courtroom, said he couldn't make an identification. expect that will be quite a cross examination. but imagine having the defense lawyer cross examine the mother of the decedent. that was the high point for the prosecution. after that, it seemed downhill from there. they called a policewoman who said on the night of february 26th she went to the police station and george zimmerman was brought to the police station and she sat down with george zimmerman and she took a statement from him. this is before he had a lawyer, right after the incident happened. i think you have 30 seconds of tape, eric, audio, you can hear exactly. you don't have to have me tell you, listen to this audio. listen to what george zimmerman said within an hour before he had a lawyer to tell you what happened. >> i was walking back through to where my car was, and he jumped out from the bushes and he said

[bleep] problem, homey. i got my cell phone out to call 911. i said hey, man, i don't have a problem. he said now you have a problem and he punched me in the nose. i fell down, i tried to defend myself. he just started punching me in the face. i started screaming for help. >> greta, we have a bunch of questions. can you react to that watching george zimmerman as he listens to that testimony of his own. here he is in front of trayvon martin's parents. go ahead. >> think about this, this is bingo. kimberly will tell you it is bingo for the defense. here is george zimmerman getting his story about what happened before the jury, that's a good story to him, and he doesn't have to take the stand and be cross-examined by somebody like kimberly, like a prosecutor, it is unbelievably good news for

the defense, but it is played by the prosecution. i should add they went on a little longer in the testimony, had another officer, chris sereno, who four hours later did another audio interview with george zimmerman, frankly a terrible interview. he was coaching him what to say. it was a little strange. then the next day on february 27th, the same chris sereno takes george zimmerman back to the scene where we were last night, by the way, back to the scene, and walks him through like what george zimmerman says happened, and not only that, he has a big bandage on his head. there he is with a bandage on his head. the jury sees it, 24 hours later, doesn't have a lawyer, still telling his side of the story, and doesn't have to be cross-examined. >> kimberly, sounds like all of the prosecution witnesses are falling on the side of the defense. does the defense need to put a case up at this point? >> greta said, it is fortuitous for the defense, don't have to expose the client to cross examination. you had a number of witnesses

very strong for the defense. the defendant not having to take the stand, getting in multiple consistent statements, then with a female officer that greta mentioned, they talked about religion and how surprised he seemed to be, upset that trayvon martin was deceased, and talked about god and the catholic faith, and that it is not okay to kill somebody, he was very concerned about it. how is that going to show some kind of implied malice for a second degree murder when you have someone so concerned about the decedent, surprised he is even dead, upset, and asking about that, talking about the sanctity of life. that was helpful to the defense as well. if i had to blink, rub my eyes, i would think they were in the defense case, the prosecution already rested. >> interesting you say that, kimberly. you know how the media, we sit in one section of the courtroom, there's a little bit of mumbling, has the prosecution team joined the defense team? that's the cynicism. but remember, only in the second

week, a lot more could happen. the jury may be seeing this differently than i do, and they get to make the call on this, they get to render the verdict. >> this is bob. i read 17 pages of this stuff and by the end of it, i couldn't decide who was on the aggressor on top, who was on the bottom, but one thing strikes me. it still baffles me that he was told to not pursue this kid in no uncertain terms, we do not need you to do that. it seems to me if that's the case and he pursued anyway, he lost him, thought he couldn't find him, went after him anyway. does that not tell you he was not after this kid in a malicious way? >> it is an interesting point, bob. the question is who is the aggressor and at what point. he was told not to pursue him. if you believe one version that we walked through last night, and i think it is consistent with what george zimmerman says, he was returning to his car along a dark walkway, and we walked it last night, and that

trayvon martin jumped out and confronted him. that's what george zimmerman says. trayvon martin is not here, he can't tell us what he says happened. he says he jumped him at that point. is that the point of aggression? said he made some remark to him and they got into a brawl at that point. sounds like if you back up a bit, it is george zimmerman pursuing him, making phone calls, when he is headed back to his car, according to george zimmerman, that's when trayvon punched him, confronts him, punches him in the face. that's a point of aggression for the jury. >> if i ask that question on camera, do i have to repeat it? only kidding. >> go ahead. >> greta, when you're in the courtroom do you get a sense the people there and jurors, do they have any idea how much media attention the case is getting? >> i don't think so, but they get the instruction when they

leave not to talk to anybody, so they might get it. i tell you what worries me, i am a big jury fan. i look at the jury panel, look, there's no question there's a racial undertone to this, there were protests when it happened in february of 2012. and you know, i got to tell you i certainly wish to try to put the lid on whatever happens, that we had a mixed jury. we don't have a mixed jury. they're all -- there may be a hispanic woman among them, it would help down the road if we had a mixed jury. that's the big fear here. we all should be going into this saying no matter what the jury decides, we respect what they say, they decided it and not pick sides. trials aren't about picking sides, trials are about facts and what happened. >> greta, i have a question. you talked about how the jurors aren't allowed to talk to anyone. why is that now when we're watching it on tv? isn't that kind of an irrelevant

thing? you should be able to talk about it with anybody, right? >> no. we poison them. absolutely not. are you kidding? do you want a juror talking to greg gutfeld? let's go around the room. i have seen that five table. >> i would give them some tremendous insight. >> i am sure you would. i am just not so sure the rest of us could live with it. >> we haven't seen any forensic evidence brought forward. so far it has been witnesses and tapes and what not. do you think the forensics will change the nature of the trial? right now it seems like it is going in the defense's area fairly solidly. >> here is what i am looking for, eric. like i say, trayvon martin he is not here, can't tell us his version. we only get george zimmerman. we have to get evidence to corroborate either way, why the voice is important as to who is yelling. the medical examiner, you raise an important point, the medical

examiner could be key. what george zimmerman says is he reached to his right side as trayvon martin is on top of him, and picks up his gun like this and shoots him once in the chest. in order for that to happen, the bullet in the chest has to have a certain trajectory. the medical examiner can tell the trajectory, give us some idea. it may seem like a tiny fact, but anything we can seize upon to dispute what george zimmerman says or corroborate it is important. the forensics, obviously if the bullet goes that way, it won't happen with a right-handed person, it will be like this, not this. so that can be instructive. >> i have been in brawls, everybody hitting each other, nobody ever shot anybody. the fact of the matter, it was two guys about maybe equal strength and the guy still took a gun out and shot him. seems to me that's the crux of the thing. why not fight like a man, not take a gun and shoot him.

>> i tell you what the defense would say, he is getting his head banged against the cement and he has bruises to the back of the head, and you have the situation where he's lying down, he has according to george zimmerman at least, he is lying down on his back, trayvon martin is on top of him, and shirt gets pulled up, the gun is exposed. he says he thought trayvon was going to go for the gun, so he did. so that's what he is going to say. your law does allow you to defend yourself. now whether or not that's true, what the jury decides, that's their business. that's what the defense will say. >> let me add one other thing. we were out there late night, you have to do it at the same time, it was pitch black. if someone jumps you, for both of them, i think they both scared each other. i mean, this is like a horrible

tragedy. i think in the darkness that they both were terrified of each other. that would be my assumption. >> and greta, i tried to explain this to bob, but they would both have the same right of self defense. it might be somebody who initially makes the call, and whether or not he continues to follow him or doesn't, at a certain point, if they are both afraid and fighting, you have the ability, the right to be able to defend yourself, and under florida law, bob, the prosecution has the burden to prove it wasn't reasonable self defense. >> so the legal question is -- >> ask kimberly, will you? >> i will. batting cleanup, greta, the other great lawyer on the show today. if they do not call him to the stand, if he doesn't testify, what's the technical difference between that and pleading the fifth? is it the same? >> you don't have to, you can't

be compelled to testify against yourself. this case has to be proved by the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant doesn't have to say anything. if evidence has been presented that's favorable, if the prosecution doesn't make the case, they will wait until the end to see if he takes the stand. right now, he doesn't have to so far. >> and you know what, at this point, kimberly, if i were trying the case, i obviously don't have the wealth of the information that the prosecuting lawyers have and defense lawyers, as an outsider, if i were making a call now and i was defense, i wouldn't put on one single witness. i would put the test totally to the prosecution, say they hadn't met the burden. even if there's a tie in the evidence, not sure who to believe, trayvon or george zimmerman, it has to be a verdict of not guilty if it is a tie. right now, the prosecution is on the run. and the last thing the defense needs is to put witnesses onto fill in the blanks. >> don't help the prosecution if

they fail to meet their burden. i put this squarely on the burden onto the judge to dismiss the case, saying they haven't met the burden of proof. >> kimberly, i would tell her that as soon as i say let me use my keyboard for the ipad. i am going to tell her that. >> i have been watching your tweets in the courtroom. it is fantastic. thank you for that. thank you to greta. >> did you see my live tweeting last night on the plane? >> i was watching a plane crash movie tweeting that on the plane. tune into on the record for more analysis on the george zimmerman murder trial. up next, the hunt for edward snowden heats up as vladimir putin says he won't hand him

over to the united states. is putin playing hard ball with obama? the latest on the standoff when we come back.

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♪ you can tell my producer is back, joshua fixed that, i don't know what it was. welcome back to "the five." edward snowden has asked for political asylum. it has vladimir putin saying snowden has to stop leaking u.s. secrets to stay in russia, and he has no intention of sending him back to the u.s. former president george w. bush asked about this in africa, said he doesn't like what snowden did. >> i know he damaged the country. and the obama administration will deal with it. >> meanwhile, in tanzania, president obama had this message for the russians. >> we are hopeful that the russian government makes decisions based on the normal

procedures regarding international travel and the normal interactions that law enforcement has. >> i'm sure the former president was thrilled to take a question about snowden while he was in africa to promote activities, as was president obama, but has those responsibilities. it was released on reuters that ed snowden has broken his silence in a letter to ecuador, seen by reuters. he is saying the united states is illegally persecuting him for revealing electronic surveillance program p.r.i.s.m. and thanked ecuador for helping him get to russia and for examining his asylum request. that's a little bit of a clue into the puzzle. bob, let me go to you as the resident diplomat, i am being serious. >> well, i was a resident diplomat. >> do you think he put himself into a bit of a box? he said at first he was thinking snowden was a hero, wouldn't extradite him, wasn't in russia, now says you can stay, but only if you don't continue to hurt

the united states, which undermines the first argument. >> he is saying i've already got the information, i don't want everybody else to get it, number one. something interesting happened over the weekend. >> true. >> some of the information that snowden leaked indicated that the nsa was spying on our allies, not the least of which was france, spain, greece, and european union. this is right in the midst of the united states and europe trying to do a trade agreement, the biggest trade zone in the world. i think it is time for him to come back, face the music, and time for the nsa to finally tell everybody what they're doing. >> former cia director michael hayden was on a sunday show and had this to say about the point bob just made. >> number one, the united states does conduct espionage. our fourth amendment that protects privacy is not an international treaty. number three, any european that wants to go out and rend their

garments with regard to international espionage should look first and find out what their own governments are doing. >> what do you think about the fake outrage like the french, how outraged they are there might be espionage. >> there are a couple things going on, because snowden is an american, putin calls him a dissident. if he was a russian, he would call him dessert for a bengal tiger. it is different than he handles people in his country. as for the french and germans and phony outrage, it is like a pitcher that scuffs a ball in sports. the other team will express display, but do it, too. everybody understands that spying exists, and without spies, what does the united states do. it protects bob beckel, not bore is becker. it is not a treaty. we should spin it so that we spy on you so we can make your own foreign policy better because

we're better at it. >> what about people trying to do business in these countries, eric, if you have a situation, you're a corporation, have business in russia or ecuador, are you rethinking things? >> i don't think so. i think hayden made a good point saying they're doing it, too, we're doing it. the whole issue isn't, look, first of all, hayden makes a point that what snowden did is probably not treasoness, and they're doing it, too. the issue isn't whether they're spying, the issue is are they spying without probable cause, are we operating outside the rule of law, without accountability, without any sort of transparency, and certainly without any sort of report to the american people on the effectiveness or cause. >> i think they're breaking the constitution. >> so that is one of the issues. i don't know if it is the main issue. snowden has decided he is just going to try to throw everything against the wall to hurt the united states to see if he can

save his own skin. >> what kind of hero is that? listen, he is going to be back here whether he likes it or not, this charade of him running around like a james bond will come to a swift end, you're not having friends with the russians and chinese, they're going to suck it out of him and find a reason to expel him. they don't have any need for him now that they have the information. >> speculation about what information he has. he says the nsa is spying on americans unconstitutionally and that we're spying on allies. >> the ambassador business. >> and run from the u.s. and run around with this game, save the best information to cut deals with russia and china and find people to help him out. >> don't crucify him for what you think he may -- >> i don't think you can call him -- two sides of the same coin, i don't think you can call him a hero without knowing what he was talking about and say it was unconstitutional, that we don't know either. >> i know his dad is making

arrangements, giving conditions to surrender himself. his father knows, he says listen, my son needs to come back here, be held accountable, if it is unconstitutional what he has done, let the courts figure it out. do not do that with our enemies. >> you know what else, this kid doesn't come back in two years, there will be a bullet to the back of his head. >> i told you that before, too. >> all you have to do is look at the people that surround snowden, they don't care about the verizon piece, about the phone records, that's not what they're interested in. they're overjoyed they're helping destroy foreign intelligence capabilities. why should we be there celebrating the downfall of for en intel. if there's fal ability involved, that's a different story. >> how is that wrong. >> there are two separate

pieces, the verizon part and prison part. nobody has proven there's been invasion into phone records other than the phone records themselves, anonymity of the numbers. if you find that out, different story. >> why not bring it before congress, i work for the nsa, i believe they could be breaking the law. >> 30 seconds of my block. >> we want to get to your block. we're going to do a gutfeld monologue. michael bloomberg, after comments about the police department stop and frisk program and minorities. does the mayor have a point?

♪ critics of new york city stop and frisk law claim minorities are stopped more often than they should. on his friday radio show, mayor bloomberg responded with a fact that whites are stopped more than they should. listen up. >> one newspaper, one news service, they just keep saying oh, it's a disportion at

percentage of a particular ethnic group. that may be, but it is not disproportionate percentage of those witnesses and victims describe as committing. in that way, we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little. it is the reverse of what they say. i don't know where they went to school, but certainly didn't take a math course. >> burn. so critics are now saying that comment is racially charged. racially charged is the new way of saying a thing is not quite racist but could be construed as racist. it allows you to avoid addressing the statement's truthfulness, which according to city hall bloomberg passed. whites were pegged as 7% of murder suspects. nothing i like less than defending bloomy. i am wary of the gotcha nature of discourse that turns all debates into a mine field.

someone tells an off color joke, tweet in anger, tweet a fact you don't like, we are experts divining what's in people's hearts. one critic called his words hurtful. i don't know, bullets, they're hurtful, knives, fists, but words? we need to remind ourselves the virtues of imperviousness. thick skin builds sound minds and bodies. sticks and stones may break your bones, but words, you can handle that. you listen to them more before you hit the outrage button, you might learn something. bob, bloomberg, did he say the wrong thing, even though he stated the wrong fact? his fact backed him up but said it insensetively. >> you look, there's 40,000 police officers in the city. the overwhelming majority are stationed in white and suburban neighborhoods, there are not as many in black neighborhoods. >> where are you getting this,

bob? >> look at times square! there are more cops in white neighborhoods here than in black neighborhoods, that means not surprising to me, white gets stopped and frisked more than blacks. >> bob, where are you getting that statistic. >> walking through times square. >> i love your science. >> perfect. >> beckel institute strikes again. >> find out how many cops are in black neighborhoods and how many in white neighborhoods. >> maybe talking by overwhelming numbers opposed to proportion proportionality. >> that may be right. >> eric, what happens when stop and frisk makes the neighborhoods safer. minority neighborhoods are safer. is it still bad because it is considered profiling? >> it is definitely considered profiling, as a lot of things are considered profiling, and has profiling has proven to be great crime deterrent. what are they catching and

stopping? >> i think they're seizing weapons. >> are they? if they are, then you should be happy with that type of profiling. pulling handguns off the street, illegal handguns off the street, you have to be okay with it. >> i have no idea what they're pulling off the street, haven't got the personality of it. >> bob is hoping to be stopped and frisked. square.s why he is walking up and down broadway. >> that's because i used to do that all the time. i wanted to go back to my old roots. >> wanted to ask kimberly, you're the legal mind. are there lawsuits trying to stop the stop and frisk thing, which is frisking people they believe to be a suspect? >> i am very concerned as a matter of public safety, it is one of the most effective weapons law enforcement have in their arsenal, interested in crime going up, continue to mess with the police department trying to do their job, keep the streets safe so crimes don't happen.

what they're doing in new york is working. we should continue to do programs that have proven to be beneficial, not try to strap the police's hands together. >> am i a hypocrite here? i might be, right? because if i am okay with stop and frisk, without probable cause, you don't need probable cause, right? >> that's the contention. >> if you don't need probable cause. >> stop and frisk them for anything. >> suspicious activity, criminal activity is afoot. >> got to say something, that violates the fourth amendment there. right? >> you're right. >> there is a problem. there is a conflict with these beliefs and i think people are figuring that out. last word to you, dana. >> refreshing comments from him, i hope he continues to. when you say that's racist or that's offensive, we stop having the conversation and nobody gets to the root problem, which is how to fix our urban areas which are dealing with a lot of crime. >> racially charged. >> you're saying stop and frisk

is constitutional? if it is, i am all for it. >> one thing we have to learn is recording bloomberg on a radio station is not exactly the most aesthetically pleasing thing. >> called radio for a reason. >> that's true. that was a bit snobby. >> i mean if he is going to do it, do makeup, production, lights, like we do. don't scare the people. >> i had a face lift. jennifer lopez is in hot water performing at a celebration for a notorious dicta dictator. what's her explanation? kimberly has the low down next. >> i do not! >> yes, you do! ♪

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superstar jennifer lopez issues a rare apology after singing happy birthday at a lavish celebration for the president of turkmenistan, a notorious dictator. >> sing happy birthday. happy birthday to you, happy birthday, mr. president. >> that president's regime has been described as, quote, among the most repressive in the world. lopez's publicist later issued a statement saying it was not a political sponsored event, had there been knowledge of human rights issues of any kind, jennifer would not have attended. >> can i bring up something about the happy birthday? >> no. >> you think i am talking about -- how do you say when you get to that part where you say the name, happy birthday to --

that's hard. >> let's put it in perspective. this was paid for by the chinese oil company that pays for these things in repressive regimes because china is repressive in and of itself. she vetted this thing. how could you vet this and not know this thug is one of the great torturers of the world. >> i don't know how you tie it to china. >> they paid for it. >> it is not even china. >> china oil companies. >> turkmenistan probably does have a lot of chinese influence. >> okay. let get it back on the track. bolling? >> good idea. >> i think there's no way she didn't understand what she was doing. she went there to put down 1 million or 2 million bucks. whatever they paid her. >> i bet it is a lot more than

that. >> when she apologized, her staff said -- >> is there really turkmenistan and is this guy really a dictator? >> yeah! you don't know where turkmenistan is? >> i am going to say there is no dictator and turkmenistan. >> her spokesperson said had there been knowledge of human rights issues of any kind, jennifer would not have attended, which means jennifer is definitely overpaying her staff, because if you just do google, put in his name, whatever it is, people in hollywood are not held to the same standard and turn a blind eye, i know what it was like, cool five million for it. if she was going to apologize, she should donate to the people that have been victimized by him. he is a horrible, horrible person. >> go to google. endless numbers from human rights watch, he is near the

top. and it ain't newark. >> they need to hire a consultant, one person that works from republican and democratic administration, write you a memo that tells you what the countries are like. >> celebrities do this, there's probably 4 million in a swiss account, gutfeld. >> doesn't it say how stupid celebrities are. they get out of the country, forget what happens worldwide. what happens in turkmenistan doesn't stay there any more. thinking you can leave our borders and no one knows what you're doing, that's over. we know. >> real quick, what about the golf caddy fired by the female golfer, quick. >> shows how elitist golf is, you can play golf and fire someone at the same time. >> during the round. >> and hired her boyfriend on the spot. >> that's pressure. >> i think that's a classic example of somebody having a bad day, not playing well, fires the

caddie. >> male golfers do that. so what. >> they don't fire caddies in the middle of the round. my wife fires me once a week. >> i heard about that. new developments in the tragic wildfire that took the lives of 19 brave firefighters in arizona. don't go away.

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do you miss the old days where everyone said please and thank you. breakdown in manners on social media could land you in legal trouble. a rapper in philadelphia -- anyway, that's who was in court, he was shooting his mouth off, he was being vile, got his whole community of supporters out there to go after -- he goes out, travels, makes money.

oh should be taking etiquette classes before he goes one inch out of philadelphia. >> your block is over. >> he said there's a rapper and he was in trouble, had a parole officer, wasn't checking in, was doing tweets that were offensive. the judge ordered him to go to etiquette classes. this is a thing moms and dads used to teach you, now apparently the state, government, is in charge of teaching etiquette classes so they tweet better. >> are you serious, that's what bob said? >> i took etiquette classes. a breakdown in manners? >> it is worse than a breakdown in manners, it is inability to restrain yourself in public places, that's a bigger issue. you see young people escalating from arguments to harassment to violence in malls and places like that, i don't care what you do on twitter, it is when you're on the street and crowds are kids are beating up on other people. >> i think he has a right to say what he wants on twitter and

facebook. you have a right to not follow him. >> doesn't have a right to go after the parole officer. >> he didn't go after the parole officer. >> got his people to go after the parole officer. >> you have a right to say what you want. greg's monologue was fists hurt, words don't. >> he is a punk and should have to take etiquette class. >> i am going to agree with you, i like manners. i want miss courteous -- >> one more thing up next. with the spark cash card

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♪ time for one more thing, around the table, starting with kimberly. >> i think very important, many of the viewers wonder if we will get to this, wanted to save it for the end of the program to pay our respects to the brave firefighters, 19 men that died, part of granite mountain hot shots, they were there trying to contain a zero contained fire, deadly fire that's still burning now as we speak. so temperatures went up to 90 degrees, so far it has taken 8374 acres and destroyed more than 200 buildings. they're fearless, incredible group, highly trained, a big loss for the fire fighting community. >> they're the bravest people. i had a place in wyoming, unbelievably great people. mine is about a little girl. got a picture of this little girl, swims in her pool.

what? yeah, video. you got the video. show the video, she's 16 months old. she swims across the pool with one breath. watch this. >> you can do it. go, go, go! >> i can't believe she made it across the pool! >> good job! >> that was kimberly when she was a little child, swimming across the pool. >> that was me a week ago. >> anyway, congratulations. don't throw your kids in pools, let them not be afraid to swim like that, she did it on her own, and congratulations. >> don't throw the kids in the pool. tomorrow morning, exclusive interview -- >> stop it! >> don't listen to that. focus on this, 7:20 tomorrow on

fox and friends, exclusive interview with glenn greenwald, the guy that broke the edward snowden nsa leaker scandal, whatever you want to call it. check it out. put the dvr on for that. >> promo. >> had to do that. >> that's a great interview. i didn't hear what bob said, joe i have maintained my innocence for the show. this is a great thing. mary anna long, 75 years old, solved a problem greg and i have, she says she is not short. my feet at the table, i have to put my foot on this thing. she created foot nest. you put it over the chair in front of you on an airplane. see how greg is demonstrating? it is the foot nest. she sent it to me. it was helpful. see how it works, greg? >> people in the front seat. >> i don't think it bothers

them. i don't. >> if you want it back, it will ruin your thing and his thing. >> i love you had greg demonstrate it, like a really bad -- >> we should celebrate this entrepreneurialism. >> i have no idea what you're going to use this for. >> greg? >> bad phrase. selfie. tired of adults using that when they take a picture of themself. >> doesn't mean -- >> taking a picture of yourself, and it is sad. if you can't find somebody to take a picture of yourself, that's sad. >> bob -- >> for what you've heard, i am next to him.

>> bob, will you be in times square, walking up and down? >> the massage parlor. >> the massage parlor. welcome to "red eye." it is like "wizzard of oz" if by wizzard you mean a gnome and by oz the men's room. andy levy, what is coming up on tonight's show? >> germany, france and other european nations are upset over revelations the nsa bugged their offices. some say this is hour rabble, but others say who cares? and the fox news poll shows the majority of people think the founding fathers would be unhappy with the way washington works these days. except for the metro that franklin said is cool. and the world would be better off without the internet causing the internet to say the