again, thanks for watching. i am bill o'reilly. always remember, that the spin stops right here, we are definitely looking out for you. this is a fox news alert. tonight there are major developments in the george zimmerman murder trial. in a moment, we'll have all the highlights and the newest revelations from inside the courtroom. welcome to hannity, i'm tucker carlson sitting in tonight for sean. earlier today jurors heard testimony from george zimmerman's friend, a medical examiner and many more. the focus of the day was sean's exclusive interview with george zimmerman from last july. the interview was introduced as a piece of evidence. >> we will formally play the hannity interview on july 18th, 2012. there's a preliminary

obstruction. >> at the direction of the court, certain portions of the defendant's interview with sean hannity on july 18th, 2012 have been excised or redacted based upon legal determinations made by the court. the parts excised or redacted are not relevant and you are not to concern yourselves with why this occurred or with the contents of any excised or redacted portions. you may proceed. >> thank you, your honor, for the record, state exhibit 1-a. >> and tonight in an interview you will only see right here on hannity, george zimmerman, charged with second degree murder of trayvon martin breaks his silence. >> the jurors heard about 23

minutes of sean's interview before the prosecution called in their next witness. here with reaction to what happened today, that would be day seven of the zimmerman trial. defense attorneys really a dream team to analyze what happened today. the most controversial segment of those 23 minutes played today was this. when zimmerman said these now famous words. >> do you regret getting out of the car to follow trayvon that night? >> no, sir. >> do you regret that you had a gun that night? >> no, sir. >> do you feel you wouldn't be here for this interview if you didn't have that gun? >> no, sir. >> you feel you would not be here? >> i feel it is all god's plan, and for me to second guess it or judge it -- >> is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit.

>> no, sir. >> i feel it was all god's plan. what -- how do you read that? >> well, what i don't think is going to really impress the jury one way or another -- i think what he was trying to say in answer to sean's question was, look, i didn't do anything wrong, i got out of my car, i'm a lawful gun holder, i got out of my car, i questioned this guy, and what happened happened, i'm not going to apologize for that, because i did not break the law. in his mind, and he could be right, that's where he's going with that. >> he's saying it's god's will he survived that exchange? >> that's exactly right. i mean, the state made the decision to introduce this video at the trial, is very surprising. this was an interview that zimmerman set up with his lawyer, and it was a self-serving interview. he explained and the jury now has heard that he did nothing wrong. that he was defending himself. why the state would give the defendant the opportunity to testify in the state's case in

chief is really odd. now, maybe they're expecting that they're going to impeach him in some way, maybe they think he may testify and he'll contradict what he said to sean in that interview. but it almost seems like the state is slowing their arms up in the air and saying, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you decide. this is what he's saying, you decide. as if, perhaps, they didn't want to bring this case to the courtroom in the first place. >> well, as, of course, you all remember, they may not want to have brought this case, there was tremendous political pressure brought to bear on the authorities here on the chief of police by different interest groups, et cetera, do you think the case is being made by the state here? >> i think the state is in deep trouble. i think the state is in deep trouble to make a second degree murder charge system with this jury. >> why not manslaughter? >> i think they overcharged, i said that from the beginning. >> do you think they got -- >> well, we'll see, we don't know yet, right now, where we are right now, even that i would say would be a really a tossup. with this, why would you put the

defendant on the stand and not subject him to cross-examination. that's what they did by introducing sean hannity's interview. allowing him to speak without cross-examination or without direct questioning by the prosecution. it doesn't make any sense. why they did that, i've yet to see, nor can i predict how this will help the prosecution. i think it only hurts -- >> i have no special insight into this. he doesn't come off in that interview as a monster, someone motivated by race, hatred -- is it your experience that prosecutors ask for more than they think they're going to get? if they come out with manslaughter and said, we're not saying he was a racist or crazy or motivated by hate, but he did kill this guy. could they have gotten that? why didn't they do that? >> it might have been smart for them to go there, but from a defense perspective. self-defense is self-defense. it doesn't mean i'm going to get a lesser included manslaughter. self-defense means i'm not guilty or the killing is justified because of the nature

of self-defense. i don't know if that would have helped the prosecution too much. to shed a little light on where the prosecution is going with this, they put all of these videos into evidence. stupidly, we can agree on that, now what they're trying to do is by other witnesses show that zimmerman was lying. for example, zimmerman said that trayvon reached for a gun and -- there are no fingerprints on that gun. >> there's one little piece -- >> this may be a unique case where a defendant can put on a self-defense without ever having to testify, thanks to what the prosecution is doing. typically, when you say, yes, i did this, but i did it in the defense of myself or the defense of others, you are obligated to get on the stand, put your hand on the bible and tell the jury what you did. but he doesn't even have to do that any more, because of what the state has done. >> it's so interesting now, a friend of zimmerman's testified today that zimmerman initially believed there was a videotape

of his alteron martin. and his first reaction to learning there was such a videotape was excitement, he was grateful, relieved. that sounds exculpatory. >> the lead detective on the case, questioned him in some different ways, one of the ways was, well, there was a videotape. apparently george zimmerman said thank god. clearly from almost the beginning of being questioned he was thankful that the truth would come out. which is what we're hearing, and what the defense's strategy has been all along. let's see the truth. the truth here is self-defense. >> right, so you all -- you're all, of course, defense attorneys, very familiar with this, can you evaluate your peers in this case. let's go right down the line, give them between one and ten rating. so far the defense in this case. >> so far, the defense is doing well, because the prosecution is

doing poorly. they have a good step in the forward direction when the prosecution does things like they've done lately, and the witnesses. the witnesses are telling the truth, apparently. >> this is the state case right now, we'll see if the defense is going to put on a defense. but the way it is looking today. this case for the defense, it's theirs to lose. >> if you're facing second degree murder charges would you want this defense team defending you? >> i would want to be prosecuted by this prosecutor. >> that sounds look a proverb. thank you all very much. breaking news out of washington. the white house announced today it is delaying the implementation of a key obama care provision that will affect millions of americans. they have no choice, it's a disaster, and we have details on this embarrassing concession later in the hour. first, our coverage of the zimmerman trial continues. our legal experts are here to analyze the injuries sustained

with the defendant. and whether or not they prove he was acting in self-defense. also, a quick programming note. be sure to tune in tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m., you'll see sean's exclusive interview with george zimmerman in its entirety. >> i made a comment on the air one day, and i got beaten up by saying this could have been a terrible misunderstanding or mistake. do you think maybe -- is there any possibility he thought you were after him, and you thought he was after you and there was some misunderstanding in anyway? >> i've wrestled with that for a long time, but i can't -- one of my biggest issues through this ordeal has been the media conjectu conjecture, and i can't assume or make believe -- >> the parents of trayvon martin. they lost their son. this is your first interview. what would you like to tell them?

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welcome back to hannity. the prosecution called medical examiner valerie rao to the stand. she testified about the seriousness of george zimmerman's injuries. take a look at part of what she had to say today. >> when you said re-enactment, was that an interview, where he conducted a walk-through and led investigators through the scene and explained to them what happened? >> yes. >> after reviewing all those items, in terms of severitseverw would you classify the injuries to the defendant's head? >> they were not life threatening, they were very insignificant, they did not require any sutures to be applied. so as i would refer to them as

insignificant. >> are the defendant's injuries consistent with having repeatedly been slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> why not. >> because if you look at them, they are minor. to me, slam implies great force. the resultant injuries are not grateful. >> how bad were zimmerman's injuries. i'm struck here by what the medical examiner, valerie rao said, she never saw in person as far as i understand it, zimmerman. she didn't examine him as a physician, did she? >> no, no, not at all. she was working from photographs, not that that's necessarily precluding her from giving an opinion. medical examiner's often work

from photographs in their normal work. they're also working with exa examses of bodies. she did opine that injury to the nose wasn't significant and the injury to the head did not seem significant. the cuts in the back of the head, the bruising and things like that, they could have come from one strike, which i felt a little hard to swallow, and i tend to believe that if valerie rao had been injured with a nose like that, she wouldn't think they were insignificant. that being said, the prosecution scored some points in trying to play down the severity of the injury injuries the problem is, that's not a factor in self-defense. the person doesn't have to be injured. all they have to do is be in fear for their life. that's what the jury has to look at. >> i'm not a physician, i have no real understanding of the severity of mr. zimmerman's injuries or not. it sounds to me like valerie is a bit of a flake, who just found this from a jacksonville paper.

she's been the subject of complaints from her co-workers going back to '09. according to letters sent into the city, ro has been seen touching cadavers with her bear hands, washing her feet in the autopsy sink and performing unnecessary autopsy on inmates to create a revenue stream. it goes on to catalog incidents of medical examiner rao. >> she may not be the most wonderful person out there, but she does have a medical background and she does have some experience to back up what she has to say. but, you know, i listened to her testimony, and i saw the pictures. and she lost me in several places, because what she was saying didn't make sense to help, i'm wondering if the jury's sitting there listening to her, thinks the same thing, maybe his injuries didn't require stitches, but like judge alex said, that's not what is

relevant here, what's relevant is how did george zimmerman feel, how did those injuries feel? even though they weren't significant enough to have sutures, were they significant enough to cause the pain or disorientation for him to feel like he needed to protect himself? the fact that she might be a flake or have these weird tendencies, it might come into play. i think the jury is going to use a lot of their own common sense listening to what she said and looking at those pictures. >> these allegations suggest dishonesty. that would go to character. now, what did you make of christopher serino's characterization of trayvon martin being armed with concrete. the idea that concrete could be a weapon. >> what happened was, that trayvon martin was unarmed.

the defense has pointed out that one of the allegations and the injuries on george zimmerman's head, is that he was getting george zimmerman's head and bashing it into concrete. even if you don't have a weapon, if you arm yourself with concrete by taking your victim's head and splashing it on the floor, that's just as good as if you had a weapon. serino agreed that was the case. >> he agreed, that's correct. >> i don't have a problem with that. >> monica, do you agree? >> i agree, you can take anything in your environment and turn it into some type of weapon. maybe he didn't have the intent to do that, which is why he wasn't armed in the first place, at some point, he intended to cause that pain and injury, and you could call the concrete a weapon. >> sounds like in this case, it certainly was. thank you both very much. i appreciate it many. >> it's a pleasure. >> new reports are surfacing that florida police may have covered up trayvon martin's past

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welcome back to hannity. questions are being raised about trayvon martin's legal troubles before his death. the washington times at a site called the conservative tree house are reporting that police in florida might have covered up

his history of truancy, firearms related issues, possible marijuana use and maybe burglary. it's suggested that martin engaged in discipline activities. martin's history of legal troubles was not mentioned in his history. bo, what exactly do we know about trayvon martin's school records? >> well, you know, a lot of times when they're juveniles like this, they could commit robbery. they classify as a juvenile delinquent type of act. the problem here is, if there was -- the cover-up is always worse than the crime. these crimes are not severe. there's something about him doing gras feta, marijuana

involved. these ain't the crimes of the century, that's not the problem. if this was covered up, that becomes the problem, i.e. watergate. >> do you think jurors have a right to know? >> i think they do. when you start looking at both of these individuals in the case, their backgrounds, it paints the picture as to what people came to this incident. >> i agree, why is more information bad? >> i don't think there's anything wrong with having information. i think at some point someone in law enforcement decided this was not something that they wanted to have included, and perhaps because word comes down from the top and everybody follows it, it wasn't put into the record. >> well, that should have been -- you're exactly right, the chief is charles hurley, and he was the head of the miami-da miami-dade police department. apparently these offenses that trayvon martin committed is because the police department has to change its practices as it relates to being heavy handed

and arresting juveniles, particularly children of color, such as african-american boys. the child was handed back to the school administration, and suspended. he was killed during that suspension -- >> well, you know, again, the crimes that we're talking about here, let's not make this bigger than it is. >> that's not the problem, if you want the history, you want to show a picture that's 5, 10 years old, that's one fact. let's let the cards out there, whether you believe that zimmerman was right or wrong, justified or not, that's for the jury to decide. but you want all the facts out. he did have a run-in with the law, but as far as i'm concerned, graffiti and marijuana and all that, that's not the end of the world. the cover-up site -- >> actually, the allegation is, and i don't know, and i certainly -- however, the allegation is that he had burglary tools or what the

school described as burglary tools, possibly stolen jewelry, i don't know the truth of it, i'm merely saying those are the allegations, why is that not relevant? >> i understand why with a juvenile, you don't want to get them involved in the court system. maybe they get intervened and on a school level -- >> and it's a good thing. >> they get someone on the right path. >> maybe now. now, it's a second degree murder trial. >> you want to shed some light on everyone. what they came to this incident with, what they carried with them in their past is very important to the way they behave. >> zimmerman sees trayvon martin and he reacts in a certain way, the question is, did he react that way because he's a bigot or a want to be cop or a weirdo. >> they're trying to paint the picture that george zimmerman was a zell out, he was a want to be cop, so they're trying to take his background and meld it into it. i think have you to look at the

composite factor. >> i agree, i don't know what happened. >> you know what we're missing here, i carry a gun, and i'm sure bill carries a gun. a lot of people are missing one thing here, he had one chamber, that means if he didn't have it chambered, it wouldn't have gone off. he had a chamber, when that went off there was no safety on there. and during the confrontation that went off. is it right or wrong? do you have a right to put one in the chamber? of course you do. that's going to come into play. >> what do you think that suggests about zimmerman? >> i don't know, what does it suggest? i carry a nine millimeter, i have one in the chamber right now. what does it suggest about me. >> it suggests that -- no fast movements. >> it suggests that someone's getting stuck up outside or someone's going after cops, i pull my gun i am ready to use it, i think that's exactly why he had the one. >> i think you're right, if someone's carrying a weapon, it's for this self-defense and

for being able to use it -- and, therefore, if you're going to use it, you're going do use it. it's not firing warning shots -- >> no, no, no, if you pull a gun out, and you're challenging someone, you intend to use it. what i'm trying to bring out, you have one in the chamber, that's a lot easier for that to be an accidental shooting when you're rustling with someone. that bullet can go off. say your wife -- you carry a gun, and you put one in the chamber, wrong thing, don't put it in the chamber, when you take the gun home, take the bullet out of the chamber. if she starts clicking, nothing's going to happen. >> i think that's really good advice, thank you. gentlemen, that was illuminating. >> coming up next, we'll have live coverage of the breaking news out of washington, the white house announced it's delaying the implementation of obama care's employer mandate. our political, legal and medical experts are higher to explain what this means for you and your

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the white house has announced it will delay a key part of obama care, earlier today, the administration said it would push back the employer

mandate until 2015. in case you're keeping track is after the midterm election. this is the part of the law that requires businesses who have 50 or more employees to provide health insurance for their workers or face a fine. the treasury department released a statement. it reads in part this way. we have heard concerns about the complexity of the requirements and the need for more time to implement them effectively. the vast majority of businesses that will need to do this reporting already provide health insurance to workers, we want to make sure it's easy for others to do so. we have listened to your feedback and we are taking action. the administration is announcing it will provide an additional year before the mandatory employer and ensuring requirements begin. as for the individual mandate, the one that applies to you, that remains in place. now, joining me now to explain what all of this means are for the american center for law and justice, fox news contributor

joe trippi. this is an admission of defeat, when you have the administration saying, our law is so complex we don't even understand it that's bad. >> and we'll bail out the corporations but punish the individuals. the mandate still goes for you. even though the whole idea was, pay our fair share. that was the shared cost of obama care, the employers would have some incentive to keep people on the insurance. which is a majority of people that are on employer provided care. now your individual mandate and the penalty that comes with it for you and your family kicks in. >> i love this, joe. so korpgs get a pass but you don't. this can't stand, can it? >> no, they don't get a pass the

employer mandate wasn't really going to have much effect. when it is in position, because companies that employ over 50 people in the united states already provide health care it really is about the reporting and the red tape that was built into the system to record it and make sure they were doing it that caused the problem. the administration -- >> wait a minute. >> let's be honest -- >> this pass -- >> it's about dropping people. >> this law passed years ago. they've been mindsful of the political calendar from day one this is on hold until after the midterm. if that's an accident? >> i think it gives the republicans one more reason to go one more time and try to repeal obama care.

>> but it's not going to -- that's the point, you can't repeal the law until people feel the effects of it. >> they're going into a slow walk. >> no, it's not. the exchanges are going in as planned, the individual mandates. >> the individuals have to pay the mandate, but the employers don't. >> i think that's -- >> isn't that against everything you stand for? >> i think you raise an important point. the whole aren't employer mandate is there, is that so those companies that do provide health care don't just dumb their employees off of it, i'm very interested in how the administration is going to answer that question. because i do think you raise an important point. that was indeed the only problem with -- >> you're glossing over, i would say -- >> i'm not glossing over it. let me say. >> let me ask this question, which is, you can't look -- either of you look me straight in the eye and say, that

political considerations played no role in the implementation of the less popular parts of this incredibly complex -- you can have -- health insurance now, everything's free. but the bad side, the bitter core of this law was delayed until after you got to vote for obama again. that's not an accident. correct? >> we won't see mass layoffs until after the midterms. it was a political move there's some in the administration offrecord reporting that. the idea we're playing politics with people's health, but the irs and mandate for me. but not for my employer. >> well, again, the rand study said it was independent, the employer mandate wasn't going to have any real effect on how -- >> if it didn't matter, why didn't they just suspend it.

>> no, the reason -- the only reason it was really there is to prevent companies that do provide it from dumping their employees. you're now saying they're going to do that i'm not sure that's going to happen. >> we'll have to have a single pair system, which is what obama wanted. and said, if we didn't rely so much on employer provided care, we'd want to go with a single pair system. now we can do that. can't trust your employer, we'll wave them for a year, now you have to pay a penalty. how about we do a single pair system. >> that's not a bad idea, jordan. >> that's exactly what they're thinking. >> there have been a number of employers who have been granted waivers to obama care, we can't find out how many, because they have stopped releasing that information. do you think any individuals have been granted waivers? i know businesses have, big businesses have been granted waivers, has any individual

gotten that? >> i doubt it. well, first of all, i don't think it's -- i don't know what -- i don't think so -- >> of course not. right, so this administration is supposed to be standing up for the little guy. they -- >> let me try to answer your question. >> the answer is no. i don't have the data, but i bet you anything -- >> i don't know that anybody's asked for one. >> i'd sure like one, i'm officially asking for one right now, please, give me a waiver. thank you, both. up next, we'll have more on the breaking news involving obama care, we'll check in with our a team to see what this means for physicians across america. and later, jerry bruckheimer, the hollywood producer whose name is synonymous with the word blockbuster sits down with sean. he's back with a remake of the lone ranger. tonto included. he'll be here with a sneak peek into that. alky.

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this is a fox news alert, we continue to follow the breaking news out of washington, where just hours ago, the obama administration announced it will delay the mandate that will require businesses to provide employees with health insurance. that won't take effect until 2015, after the midterm election.

surprise, surprise. joining me now to explain how this will affect doctors and businesses are from the national review magazine, and from the fox news medical a team dr. mark seagulls. we get the political effect and the medical effect. doctor, tell us how is this going to affect the average american's interaction with obama care? >> to start with, joe trippy is totally wrong, businesses have been anticipating this problem, and the insurance policies they've been able to offer their employees has been changing. under obama care, the kind of insurance that employers offer is more and more comprehensive, it costs more and more, the premiums are higher, the deductibles are mandated to be lower and lower, they have less they can do with flexible spending accounts. the bottom line dollar that it's costing businesses is astrono c astronomically high, that's causing them to dump employees, they're going to have to go to the state exchanges, it's causing them to make employees

more part time. i in my office are faced with more and more employees, who don't have coverage. or who won't have coverage or are worried they're going to lose their coverage. their current policies, high deductible, low premiums are jeopardized, they're endangered species. if the playing field is changing, of course, employers would rather pay the penalty when it happens. the obama administration knows this, hhs knows this, this is the white flag we're seeing here. >> for people who just want to be covered and don't want to pay for other people's hair transplants or sex changes, they're out of luck. i keep hearing democrats saying, implementation of obama care at the end of the year is going to be a disaster. >> max baucus said, this is a train wreck coming. this is the first light out of the tunnel heading back at us.

if they can blink once, they'll blink twice. there's going to be more things suspended. >> like what? >> last week gallup announced they surveyed small businesses around the country. one out of five said, we have cut back on hiring because of obama care. another 40 percent said we have suspended new hiring this is a jobs disaster, we are already seeing a small economic recovery. obama care could literally put a blanket over that, in order to avoid losses in the 2014 election. i think the next thing they may delay is the individual mandate. >> it's hard to argue that businesses ought to get a pass on the mandate, but individuals shouldn't, no? >> of course, it has to be consistent, the problem is, the man date is pretty much unenforceable. there's also the amount of money -- >> the initial mandate? >> both are unenforceable. this is going to cost them $5 billion. which they're counting on. bahama care has to suck money out of everywhere, medicare.

i can't work with medicare any more because i'm getting so restricted by regulations. suck money out of medicare, penalties, businessman date they're going to lose now. suck money from the individual mandate. patients are going to have to go to the state exchanges, because employers are going to continue to drop them. without the mandate, even more employees are going to have to go to the state exchanges. we're starting the state exchanges this year, sure, but they're going to be overloaded with employees who are going to be dumped. >> exactly. >> this is the easiest way to bring back a cash economy into health care. a lot of people will drop insurance, will be thrown off insurance by their employers, i think you're going to see a black market development. people will say, right up front i'm only paying cash, let's negotiate. >> which will be a problem for efficiency. >> there's a guy in california whose hospital bill was $20,000,

he only paid $16 of that. he should have paid more than $16. this actually might create a black market. unfortunately, it's not the way -- >> or maybe a more efficient market. what expedia and hotels.com have done for the hospitality industry. >> john's making a great point here, there's a great doctor shortage. they can't work with all this insurance. over 50% of our time is spent with paperwork. we're going to say bring us a chicken. a gift. barter us, bring us some money. cash up front, i'll take care. >> why not a direct payment. >> there's no aren't doctors are going to have to do this, deloitte & touche has a survey. many of their colleagues are going to retire in three to five years because they canned handle this mess. >> or we'll scale back. the ama has a survey that shows 70% of physicians are restricting the amount of

medicare we take. we're either going to retire only, restrict our practices or take cash only. >> the republican congress has been unable to repeal it. >> the white house did this only because democrats and congress are panicking. this will collapse -- >> look at what happened in the last midyear election because of obama care. this is an albatross around them. >> the biggest atrocity is patient care. >> that's the thing we never hear in washington. coming up, the legendary hollywood producer, jerry bruckheimer sat down to talk to sean about his latest summer movie. what it's like to work with johnny depp along with other startling facts. with our "name your price" tool, people pick a price and we help them find a policy that works for them. huh? also... we've been working on something very special.

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welcome back to hannity, his name has become synonymous with big hollywood box office productions, jerry bruckheimer, his credits include "top gun" and "pirates of the caribbean," he's back with another box office hit. sean recently sat down with the producer to talk about his new movie, the lone ranger. >> the one, the only jerry bruckheimer. you doing all right? >> i couldn't be better. >> lone range summer. >> that's right. bringing them back. 1933 on the radio in detroit,

he's back. >> isn't that amazing? i have all the old radio classics, green hornet, lone ranger, great stuff. >> this is a reinvention of the lone ranger, we have johnny depp and army hammer, we fell in love with him. he's 6'5", a movie star, he's handsome, terrific actor, and he brings the freshness to the lone ranger. we'll be out there in moab in 120 degrees. day 100. season the this great? this is fantastic. everyone's dying, he's wearing a wool suit, nothing bothers him. >> he plays what part? >> johnny is tonto. >> some people say, what do you mean the lone ranger and -- they want to be critical of everything, you dealt with that much in your career? you work with every big actor there is? >> always, you always have naysayers. we have the native american

community that's behind us. someone will say, how come johnny's not native american? but he is. >> you worked with him in pirates, the whole series. >> right. >> you have a who's who, tom cruise, eddie murphy. james cannes, richard gere, gene hackman, bruce willis, denzel washington. ben affleck. everybody. >> i'm lucky. >> and you come from a pretty humble beginning. your dad was a clothing store manage summer. >> yeah, he was a salesman, and i grew up in detroit, in lower middle class family. first came to new york. decided to follow my dream, and make movies. i moved to california. they were paying me $500 a week or less. it was 200 to come to california. take a chance, 10,000 a year. >> i was an associate producer on a western, the first movie in the early '70s i did, got no

money for it, but started building a career. we shot it in mexico for a million bucks. you can't do anything for a million bucks any more. >> what was your first big movie. i know you can go back to "american gigolo" and some of these other movies "flashdance," these are all big movies we're talking about, "dangerous minds" what was your big break? >> "american gigolo" and "flashdance" really broke us out, that was the big one. >> how did you break out, when all these people move out to hollywood and become waitresses and waiters. >> you work hard. everyone thinks they can make a better movie than what's on the screen. it's really hard to do. telling a good story, having great characters, plots and themes, that's not hard, that's really hard to do, it's not easy. >> as i was going over your list of movies before you came here,

i was kind of surprised, because you work with the same people over and over and over again, denz denzel, johnny depp, why is that -- there must be a reason for that. >> they're enormously talented and they make me look good. you try to get great actors, writers, directors and then i come out smelling like a rose, because they're so gifted. >> there's a lot of people, i've always felt like, if i have a good caller on the radio show or a good guest on tv, the audience benefits and i benefit too. some people that are insecure, won't allow someone else to shine. >> that's exactly right. i'm a better guest when i have a great interviewer like you, that's what makes my life easier, when you sit in these interviews and we do sometimes -- every three minutes they bring a different interviewer in, some of them stare at you. why the lone ranger, why would you want to work with johnny depp? because he's the biggest star in the world, he's a great guy. >> you told me before we came on the air what a great guy he is.

he comes off as dark, mysterious. >> no, he's a guy from kentucky, same like me, grew up with a nice family, he has sisters, great to his parents, loves his kids, takes them to school every day when he's in town. he's a real terrific kid. >> why have all of these old classics? superman, batman, now the lone ranger, why have they come back bigger and better than flynn ever dreamed? >> because we're always looking for intellectual properties. something the public is familiar with. that's why these comics keep coming back and getting bigger and bigger. >> they get more expensive as time goes on. >> inflation, look what a car cost you 20 years ago. >> the one question you knew was coming, okay? >> okay. >> why is hollywood seemingly to me, as a conservative commentator so liberal? >> i guess it's guilt. i think they feel guilty that

they're doing so well, and other people aren't. i think that's part of it, it's their upbringing too. a lot of them grew up with strong democratic ties. >> i don't know your politics and i don't want to drag you in, because it's not fair to you. that's my frustration, i want to put the special hollywood check box on the irs form that says, okay, you want to donate more money, can you donate your jet, your limo, you can give a little more in taxes and you'll be guilt free. >> i'm conservative, just so you know that. >> i wasn't going to out you and get you in trouble. as long as i keep making good movies, it's hard to deny us. >> congratulations, "the lone ranger" in theaters everywhere july third. >> thanks for having me. it's a pleasure. >> that's it, all the time we have left this evening. thanks for being with us. we toss it now to greta van susteren who is standing by to

go on the record. greta? discuss tonight we are live in sanford, florida, outside the courthouse where george zimmerman is on trial for murder. and we have a sizzling question, will it be the gunshot forensics that tell the real story? >> the medical examiner's report does not support a contention, an allegation that mr. zimmerman pressed that gun against trayvon martin's chest before he fired it. does it? >> not from what i -- >> as a matter of fact, the known evidence completely contradicts that type of suggestion, doesn't it? >> from what i understand, yes. >> after reviewing all those items, in terms of severity, how would you classify the injuries to the defendant's head? >> they were not life threatening. they were very insignificant. >> no pressing of the gun against the chest? >> not