next. >> congratulations to travis his family. >> if you ever get sick or something. >> i am taking early retirement, travis and warming up the chair for you. that's it for us. america live begins right now. >> fox news alert. welcome everybody here on my last day on america live. egypt a lot of news happening there as it is on the brick of a second major revolution for a key american ally. a military coup is underway and that is a big headline, welcome to america live everyone,im megyn kelly. tension is running high in the heart of carotene. and demands that the president of egypt step down. huge crowd, huge. some are saying it could be the biggest that have been anywhere gathering in protest. pouring in tar i square and other locations in the nation,

waiting to see if the military will act to forcibly move yesterday. and jennifer griffin has the news live in the pentagon. >> the pentagon has been in touch with egyptian military leaders. the pentagon is reluctant to give out readouts for fear of engineering a coup. u.s. officials continue to urge calm and respect for the

democratic process. george little said there is no change overnight in terms of the u.s. military prepositioning assets in and around egypt in the event they are called upon to assist the u.s. embassy. right now the u.s. embassy is guarded by the egyptian military which is standard worldwide. the u.s. embassy remains closed today and there are no evacuation orders given as of yet. the pentagon has a contingent of several hundred marines in italy when tension began to mount in egypt and north africa. that is usually based out of moron, spain. it is established in the wake of benghazi. from siingonella marines could get there in three hours fly time and also a unit in the med

terian. >> it is irrelevant what president obama said. there are 30 million people on the streets. the only thing he can say to call on morsi to reling quish power and leave egypt in peace. that was christian opposition leader who we spoke to yesterday. pentagon officials are watching and assessing what appears to be a military coup underway in carotene, megyn. >> the pictures are incredible, as you can see the numbers that turned out. keep watching as one of our critical allies in the middle east threatens to implode. we are hearing a different tone in the course of the a rab spring. where is our president on this? right where he needs to be? or an absentee leader as some of the critics have charged. we'll discuss that with ralph peterson in a bit.

>> it is a huge train wreck. you and i discussed it many times and i don't see any results yet. that was democratic senator max ba ucus referring to the train wreck he saw coming over the law he backed. he was one of the men who spearheaded it through congress and that's the president's health care plan, obama care. a lot of confusion over how this thing gets put in place and what kind of fines and.sthey will have to pay if they don't do it. this part of the plan that requires employers to insure workers or pay a.. they say it is going to be put off by a year until at least 2015. there are-9ñri suggestions tha are watching the senator's projected train wreck unfold before our very eyes. chris is host of the power play and host of fox news.com, live.

ba ucus with i did it and i am out of here, 0. (laughter) >> sorry, sorry. now we see the president in africa sending out a tweet, oh, guess what, it is going to be an extra year for the employers and you puts it as serving the dessert before the vegetable. >> people like free tough and don't like to pay for. it we know that. and in politics tis generally to be good politics to be the free stuff rather than the paying for. it paying for it guy, is a nerd and no one likes him. >> free stuff, we'll cover your preconditions. >> you get it all. >> and cover the people who don't have insurance and welcome to obama care. and the follow-upping mechanism and the stuff that is unpopular

and employers will choose to dump their employees off of the health care. snishgs like 8 million. >> that's not going to be popular. we'll postpone that. let me pick a date. after the midterm election of 2014. that is a cynical take. >> are you suggesting that politics play a role in the timing. >> that's what i read in the papers. >> we would never do such a thing in washington and never make bad public policy in order to take political advantage. it is not a train wreck if you wreck it on purpose. the goal here is, no one received the benefits of the law. 26 years old can stay on parent's insurance. but free insurance and they tried to sign up li brarians and nfl and hollywood celebrities. no one is on the train yet.

they are trying to herd them before it crashes and then it crashes and bankrupt and not do what they say it is. and they are trying to get them signed up now, so when the problems occur later, it is too bad that it doesn't do what it said it d. we can't throw the people off of a program they depend on. it is creating a federal entitlement regardless of a train wreck. can you tax more or pay more later o.>> your theory in reading power play what barak obama is after what many people said he wanted all along, single payer, you know, it is not the man date, it is much more of a government program that would get everyone on board, explain. >> they call it the public option. government run public insurance option or medicare and medicaid for all.

that was the idea. when hillary clinton and barak obama were duking it out in 2008, this was the fight. a man date and obama would let a program of attraction and well designed work out for everybody's benefit. max ba ucus and all of those senators worked for years and putting stitching together parts and thousands of pages. as it turns out they could have written a law that said what ever the president said he would do. they ignore and key components of the law and put it in however they want and it turns out to look like what he wanted in the first place than what was put together in the united states. >> is there any question he could do this? >> that 2014 date is written in legislation. it is the treasury department, they are saying 2015. this is a huge, huge, and

dramatic alteration to the way the law was supposed to work and implemented. can he do it via a tweet from africa and once again, we are left asking where is our president on it? you know, we haven't heard from him on, he didn't come out with respect to syria and now we are arming the rebels and so many times recently, he had major announcements and we don't get to see or hear from him. >> it is working for him. his numbers may not be that great, but the leading from behind approach and the deputy undersecretary of health care or whatever put it out in a below post or somebody do a background briefing and you just let it trickle out, you know, the advantage for the government in-laws like this that are so complicated and triggers and thousands of pages and comprehensive, that no one understands them to begin w. you make a change like this.

folks at home and they get away with it. >> we know a major piece of the legislation is delayed by a year and moved to after the midterm election in a time when the democrats are worried about the chances of holding on to power in the senate and don't feel very optimistic about regaining power in the house in the midterm election. chris, thank you. and i will see you after maternity leave. >> see you soon. be well. >> this is the last day after the maternity leave and the baby is due shortly after. >> continuing to celebrate a texas law maker that helped to derail a state bill that would require women to get abortions earlier in their term. the bill said cut off should be 20 weeks and not 26 weeks. we'll meet a texas doctor and law maker who believes that wendy davis is no heroine and

that law maker is next. >> outrage over reality stunt that mocked a tribute to a firefighter who died on 911. and mark my last day anchoring america live, it has been a great run. we are sharing some of our favorite moments over the past few years. >> isn't that incredible? you want to know more about that if you keel over from a heart attack. they get a frozen blanket and have your spouse frozen in the freezer. not really you need a big freezer and really your spouse is not going to like that. (laughter)

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>> fox news a all right out of the egypt. we are hearing reports that a change in power could already be underway. it is a major american ally. the bbc reporting that a notice is going out to airport security and blocking certain politicians from leaving egypt. and we last heard from the egyptian president he said he was holding on to power and be willing to die. listen to the crowd. it is getting overwhelming. we'll at a on top of it. and bring you the latest as it unfolds. and that made it possible for me to stand the 13 hours. that's what we are fighting for

now. taxes for every women who overcomes the unique challenges and she had the same choices and chances that i had. (applause) and addressing crowd of supporters on monday. miss davis got national attention after leading a filibuster against a bill that puts restrictions on late term abortions. that bill moved a head and slated for a vote next week despite miss davis' efforts. while they continue to celebrate davis and her filibuster, another state senator and doctor is fighting for the public to hear the other side of the story. she's so passionate about the bill, she shed up in a rally in her scrubs. >> those that oppose the bill love the predator abortion industry more than the health of

a woman or the life of a baby. >> you hear the ret riblg about the government doesn't need to be in this. i am thankful that i am a voice in the government to stand for life and stand with you. >> joining me now, dr. donna campbell a republican state senator in texas and supporter of the bill that places restrictions on the late term abortion. >> senator, doctor, so many to choose from in your title. we heard from wendy davis and her supporters and so many that feel as she does. the government and you reference in your remarks to keep its hands off of their bodies and they view it as an issue of women's rights and women's health. your thoughts on that. and first of all, she doesn't speak to the voice of majority of women and texans. texans and texas families are

pro-life. they don't want the government involved when it comes to the actual procedure, yet they want government dollars to support the procedure and when we simply ask that the same standards be brought up for abortion facilities as they are in amulatory surgery centers, there is an outcry. who would really be against bringing the standard of care up for women. that is a safety issue. lots of people and not the majority. a lot of people are objecting. it is not just the left. it doesn't divide that way. a lot of people who are pro-choice and proabortion and however you want to describe them are saying this takes the ark borgz clinics down from 42 to 5. there is a map that shed that. ine the planned parent hood are not amulatory and would not comply and stop abortions and

access would be restricted. >> there is nothing in this legislation that will close down an abortion facility. if an abortion facility closes it is because the millions of dollars in the abortion industry is putting profit over a person. we have over400 amulatory surgery centers in texas. they have to meet a certain standard to protect the safety of the patient and as a physician, that is important to me. and to ask them to bring their standards up to the same standards for any amulatory surgery center is not asking too much. >> what do you think of the lionization of senator wendy davis in the wake of her filibuster over the past few days by many in the media who, she doesn't get challenged when she comes on as celebrated and i

understand there is a real issue of the women's access to the clinics and an issue of where we should cheer in any sense somebody who is pushing for the right to abort a fetus, up to 26 weeks of pregnancy. in the state of texas, you can actually abort up to 28 weeks, but we know that there are babies born that live just a little bit over five months. and to think that we don't have an outcry to bring modern-day medicine and cutting- edge technology up-to-date in the amulatory surgery centers brings in question of who are they supporting? a predator abortion industry or looking at the life of the unborn and protection and health care of a woman. we also know that there are

increased complications in a woman begin birth or having an abortion late term or earlier in the stages of the pregnancy. nearly term abortion is far less controversial as late term. you want to recontradict it to 20 weeks. then after 20 weeks the baby is sucking the thumb and yawning and kicking and stretching the and the bill that wendy davis would allow abortions in the life and health of the mother, she wants to be able to abort healthy fetuses up to 26 weeks. i will dpief you the last word. >> that's correct. we are pro-life in texas and the bill protects the safety of women and unborn by banning late- term abortions. that's what the bill does. it is a great bill and i can't understand why it is a partisan or gender issue. >> thank you, senator for being

here with your perspective. >> we are hearing from the mother who watched in stunned horror as a stranger grabbed her child out of a walmart shopping cart and put a knife to the child's throat.

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he's pushing an empty cart and he suddenly reaches in and out of the mop's shopping cart and it is horrify and this 12-year-old sister kind of looks on stunned and the mother told guild morning america at this point she starts pleading with the man. please, please, don't hurt my baby. we weren't age to have children and i prayed for her every day that the lord would give her to me. please don't hurt her. >> the suspect then handed the mom a cell phone and told her to call 911 and a lot of other shoppers had called. listen. >> 911, medical injure. >> there is a machine with a knife holding a little girl hostage. >> that is in the 30 minute stand off and the suspect is identified sammy wallace, tried to talk to the office and they

gave him a chair and he sat down and he kept rambling and put the knife to the little girl's throat and put a 60 sunday and shot the suspect point blank. here is made sure there was no ability to harm that child and there is always that chance and he thought the child was being stabbed. >> hardest thing to do is leave my baby in this man's arms. i was never more thankful to have my baby. >> had he just wounded the suspect, there was a chance with the knife to the throat he could have killed her. the baby is fine at least physically at this point. unbelievable. you can feel the mother's relief. trace, thank you.

none of our most critical ally in the middle east threatens to implode we hear a different tone from the administration than the one we heard in the a rab spring. where is the president on this? >> and a september 11th firefighter hears what they call an offensive photoop. >> and some of our favorite moments since we first began the she. >> kelly's court is back in section. on the docket today. when toilet paper attacks. not on your shoe but an angry dispenser with an appetite for human flesh. she would be a squatter and down goes it. we know what probably happen.

>> fox news alert on our top story today. crisis in egypt. for the second time in two years, the nation's powerful army is positioning itself to remove the country's leader. troops in key facilities and huge crowds are filling the tari square and waiting to hear more from the army. some are suggesting that the obama administration is striking a different tone on what we are seeing today than it did in 2011 when hosany mu barak was forced out. joining me now is a fellow in the american enterprise and a speech writer for president george bush and ralph peters who is the author of hello richmond and can't at gettiesburg. >> look at the crowd size, it is overwhelming.

ralph, they say it is dwarfing what we saw on the a rab spring. our president is reluctant to get behind the protestors and look, this guy morsi, love him or hate him was a democratically elected guy. and there is a process for replacing him. >> the administration's response is idiotic. democracy is not just one election. it is tollerance and concessions and working together. and as son as he won the election, morsi started islamizing the government and putting his people in key positions and shutting out all other voices and what we are see nothing tar i square and what we want. tens of millions of muslims rejecting radical islam and don't want a country governed by sharia law and absent without

leave and his ambassador on the ground is issuing pro morsi statements. >> that's what the analyst are all saying. the people in the square, many of them believed that the united states stands with morsi and should we be leaving them, mark with that belief as opposed to we stand with the democratic pushing protestors such as they are in egypt. and similar to what president obama suggested we felt in the a rab spring back in february of 2011. >> yeah, this is a huge lost opportunity. the protest are one of the most promising developments in the middle east since the a rab spring began. you have people out in tar i square and protesting against the muslim brotherhood. the largest protest in the history of egypt and who should america side with?

it is a two minute decision. you side with the people with the muslim brotherhood. we are repeating the same mistakes that we made in the revolution two years ago. we stood with mu barak and guide bide said he is not a dictator and hillary clinton said he is a family friend. and people got furious. and angry and betrayed. we got out of bed with one ph a roa h and now we are out supporting the muslim brotherhood against the egyptian people. it is a lost opportunity. if morsi falls tis a blow to the muslim brotherhood and radical islam not only in egypt but a rab world. we shouldn't stand with the ph a roa hs. >> and president obama talked about how it is an inspiration to see the protestor calling for

mubarak's ouster and it is those who believe in the inevitably for the human freedom and we hear your voices and today. it is not our job to choose who egypt's leaders are. we make sure everyone's voice is heard and done in a peaceful way. >> still it is the in a i'vity of the foreign policy. clearly our state department is obsessed with illusionary stability. anything stable is good. and i got to tell you, megyn, we are hearing everybody on the left and administration warn of a military coup. the egyptian military is trying to referee this. they are trying to save their country. and the dictator here is morsi and the muslim brotherhood. >> what would happen if a coup

is underway and if it is successful? who is likely to fill that power vacum. military stepping in and get the technicrates and what happens next? another democratic election? and the people of egypt choice morsi. >> look, what happen under mu barak he gave no space for the democratic opposition just only the muslim brotherhood. when he fell, they were the only ones to step up. and they came in and took power and morsi came in and shutting down judges and consolidating power and refused to have a constitution and all of the rest. the army will take him out and do all of the things that morsi was supposeed to do. the egyptian military does not want power. they don't want to be in charge. they want to hand it off to someone else.

and the democrat opposition will be more organized. >> it is amazing to watch this unfold and see the changing dynamics for our own administration and what they will or will not do. thank you so much. >> thank you, megyn. >> and coming up. george zimmerman murder trial about to resume. judge alex joins us as we wait to see whether one of the three big witnesses of the prosecution will take the stand. possibly the mother of trayvon martin. >> and a dramatic call for help just a head. no, i am stuck and there are two large alivators out here and i can't ka yak, i'm, i'm, i'm sinking. >> are you by yourself. >> yes, of course.

fox news alert. george zimmerman murder trial is

expected to begin any moment here. we heard testimony on critical evident about the shot that killed trayvon martin. listen. >> the clothing, displayed residues and physical affects consistent with a contact shot. nmeaning the muzzle was up against the sweatshirt when it was fired? >> correct. did you do any examination to identify the distance the bullet travelled before it hit mr. martin's chest? >> no, i only examined the clothing for distance determination. >> no, she doesn't know what the distance was between the sweatshirt and body. >> and host of judge alex. is with me. they spent a lot of time on the

gun and bullet today. i think the best i can figure megyn, what the defense is trying to establish. there was a distance between the contact wound on the clothing itself and the impact of the bullet to she that trayvon was on top. and the clothing was separated from his body and indication that the wound was not a contact wound. it he been on the back as the prosecution suggested in the theory of how it happen, the shirt and the sweatshirt and his chest would all have been becomely against each other and the contact wound would have been a contact wound throughout. the defense will she the testimony of the medical examiner even it was contact with the clothing, the clothing was hanging down and no contact with the skin itself and further evidence to support john good's

testimony that trayvon was on the one on top of george zimmerman. >> that's what the defense was trying to get out. he intentionally had to pull the bullet in the chamber and he put up against trayvon's body and she the intentional act. the other thing that happen this morning, it was weird. with george zimmerman's old criminal justice propeszor on the stand, what was the point of that? >> the state fought to introduce george zimmerman's prior school records to she that he is a cop want to be and rejected by a police department and he took classes on self dance and testify and things like that. they are community college entry-level classes here. they fought and won it. and the defense accounted and as they did throughout the case. they turned professor carter, who was the professor who was

teaching. he looked at george zimmerman like he was seeing a good friend and george smiled and humanized him more and went on to explainly self defense and namely, you don't have to wait until you are about to die to use self defense. things change rapidly where you don't need to use it and until you have to and point after point that helped the defense establish in front of the jury their theory of the case. it was a lose for that witness for the prosecution. >> was this when he told hanitty that zimmerman didn't know about the stand your ground law in florida which allows to you shoot with immunity and then this guy talked about one of the things they discussed in class. did that help. i have said many times. ask me, just list the names of

ten courses you took. i am not sure i could do it and list the names of the courses and all of the stuff. >> i can't remember what i took in community college and you were a baby when i did that. let me just say this, the defense made a good point, the prosecution introduce the hanity interview. you can't open the door and walk through. and they introduce today and now he didn't know what stand your ground was. we'll she he d. this witness didn't help them in that regard. stand your ground is a nickname. i taught the defense statute and not called stand your ground. it is possible to that george zimmerman had no clue what stand your ground meant. >> and now we don't know for sure, but we expect the mother of trayvon martin will take the stand. many things she may say.

but we believe she believes it was trayvon's voice screaming for help. how important is that. >> if they are going to rest now, i expect her to be the last witness. but if she the last witness. no matter when they do it, it is impactful and the mother of a sdoesed child. my mother lost two sons. it is the most devastating thing anyone can go through. and jury of all woman will feel her pain. she will be an impactful witness and say that is trayvon's voice on the tape. whether they believe her or not. who knows if she ever heard trayvon in that kind of a panic mode and tracey, his father heard the tape and said that is not my son's voice and that is george zimmerman's voice and changes his mind later on. >> will they get what the father

said. i don't expect the prosecution to call him and say that. >> when they know the defense is calling a callsa witness, they may call him out preemptively to put him in front of the jury anyway. i expect we will hear it in the defense case. i think the defense will put on a case and don't think there's any reason to put on george zimmerman. >> yes. sounds like in our primetime he expects to put on a case but not made up his mind about butting zimmerman on. thanks. we'll be back to you in a bit. in court, they're arguing motions. we'll get you there when the action starts. imagine alligators circling around and a woman who thought she was about to be lunch. and another memory. >> he was lying? is this your answer to that anybody claiming they lost donations? >> you are putting words into my

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fox news alert, taking you live to the george zimmerman trial. this is what they're arguing over. the defense wants to take the deposition of benjamin crump, an attorney for the martin family claiming he was part of interviews they need to depose him about. the judge is saying why ask that now? you knew about it a long time ago and didn't ask it in the middle of the trial? they will be shut down for the july fourth holiday, tomorrow, thursday, and now you want us to shut down friday as well? i'm not doing that. we have to move forward with this trial. which is good. the judge needs to put the pedal

to the metal. we'll see if she bends. so far, told the defense no. and the prosecution indicated it will close it's case today. it will rest it's case today. if that is true we do ex pect trayvon mother's to take the stand and has every indication she's testifying and could be the last witness. i'm watching the screen now, george zimmerman is standing which could mean the jury is coming in, show respect when they enter and exit the courtroom. we'll see. can we hear the audio so we can hear what's happening? she's doing her preliminary, i'm told, she will have the jury file in and ask them, did you discuss this at lunch zblrvegs avoid social media and they say,

yes, yes, yes, and then resume. we don't know. that's the mystery of this trial the lawyers are not required to tell the media the order they're calling witnesses. let's listen. as we wait to find out who the witness is, once again, consider this. it's 2:00 p.m. eastern time just about. if the prosecution is about to rest it's case, would they like to go out on the testimony of trayvon martin's mother, who promises to be a very compelling witness. she's giving her admonition to the jury to find out if they obeyeded the rules during lunch. the martin family has served as an example in this case, whether you believe zimmerman is guilty or not, trayvon martin's parents at virtually every turn have provided an example how to act, while everybody else tried to -- so many others tried to

ratchet up tempers and race questions and so on, they tried to tamp it down from the very beginning, just asking for a fair trial. we will resume right after this break with -- we'll find out. me. my doctor. my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal. citracal. [ female announcer ] you trust your doctor. doctors trust citracal.

fox news alert. it is not trayvon martin's mother on the stand. it is anthony gorgone a crime lab analyst and dna expert. we're being told the prosecution would like to rest it's case today. they want to go long today and see if they can rest before the july fourth holiday. he's testifying to his credentials. you have to as a lawyer establish your expert as a true expert and have him certified as an expert in the eyes of the court and he's allowed to opine on subjects like dna you and i and regular folks wouldn't be allowed to do that in a courtroom. let's listen to him as he talks about his analysis in this case.

>> it can be left behind in bodily fluids you leave behind such as blood, semen, saliva and bodily fluids i call a dna profile to analyze the dna at certain locations on a dna molecule and develop the dna profile to be used for comparison purposes and comparison. >> are there other uses for this other than forensic or criminal setting? >> yes. several fields use the same dna testing that i use. it's used in medical and genetic research. it's used in organ and blood transplant, donor recipient evaluations. it's used to test the -- test the abnormalities in the fetus during pregnancy, when they do the amny yo centesis.

it's used in identification of mass disaster victims and innocence project and paternity testing as well. >> is the dna profiling and comparison method using str you're going to talk about that your lab uses accepted in this scientific community as being reliable? >> yes, it is. >> is your lab, fdle, been accredited and been through all the hoops in terms of their accreditations or findings that they're proficient, et cetera? >> yes. we are an accredited laboratory. >> i want to talk about the laboratory procedure for a few minutes, if we could. do you all have an established protocol, method an item comes into your lab you make sure there's no contamination and that kind of stuff? >> yes. we have a quality assurance program. we have documentation of all the quality procedures. we have standard operating procedures that gives specific instructions for every test i do

so that every person working the lab is on the same page and one person isn't doing one thing their way and another person doing another thing their way. we have written protocols, all our quality assurance program is in writing. >> are there any controls within the testing themselves in terms of positive and negative controls to verify what you're doing is accurate in terms of not getting misidentification or contamination? >> yes. there are positive and negative controls at just about every step of the way. before i even do the dna testing, if i'm screening for the possible presence of blood, i need to test a positive control and negative control of blood to make sure the chemicals i'm using are working. during the dna testing, i have positive controls. where i have a dna profile i need to get that expected dna profile at the end of the process to know not only the chemicals and instruments are working but that my techniques are good as well. there are also negative controls

at a few steps during the way. those would be blank samples and those samples need to remain blank the entire process. >> in the lab, while you're analyzing evidence submitted in the lab, do you wear any kind of clothing attire to make sure you don't cross contaminate anything? >> yes. whenever i have an item of evidence open and i'm physically examining that item, i'm required to wear a lab coat, mask, gloves and sometimes a hair net depending on the item. when i'm actually working with the tubes and doing the dna testing process, i'm also required to wear a lab coat and mask and work in chemical hood with a sash that covers in front of my face. >> are all these procedures for quality control methods you all utilize at fdle, are they used at other labs in terms of being accredited? >> yes. any lab with a quality assurance program in place will have very similar protocols as far as quality control.

>> to tell us if you could, briefly about proficiency testing, testing yourself and your lab to make sure what you're doing is working properly? >> a proficiency test is a test given to me by an outside company mailed in. samples i have to work as if it were a regular case. i perform that testing and send the results back to that company and they send a notice back s saying, yes, you got the correct results or no, you did not get the correct results. i'm required to take an appreciatecy test about every six months and take one about every may and november of every year i've been doing independent case work since august of 2008. >> is the lab, the entire lab subject to proficiency testing, the lab at the department lab also? >> yes, all crime analysts ahav to go through some type of proficiency tests every year.

>> let's talk about what was tendered to your lab for analysis, in terms of making sure you have the right exhibit in front of you when you're analyzing it, what kind of quality control do you have? >> we will resume in a minute. i want to bring on judge alex ferrer. they're bringing in a dna expert to tell us what? >> several pieces of conceivable evidence they might want to extract from him, that trayvon's hands did not have a trace of george's dna on him and george said he was trying to smother him and had been punch ed in th nose and might have had that but he said he was on his back and it might have gone down his throat. it's helpful except if the police officer's dna is not on the gun. the police officer took the gun off george. if the police officer's dna is not on the gun and we know he

touched it, it totally undercuts neargument trayvon's dna not being on the gun. trayvon on george or george entree von, things like that or george on trayvon. things like that. >> thank you. we'll go back. >> an item, if i can't mark that item, i will mark that item as well with thatrmation. >> let's move onto the dna testing you did in this specific case. i believe you used str dna testing, right? >> yes. >> tell us what we mean by that or what you mean by that, i should say. >> str testing is short tandem repeat testing. i'm analyzing short segments on the dna molecule that are highly repetitive segments. they don't actually code for any

physical characteristic or molecule inside your body doing a job, they are just repetitive non-coding regions of dna. i can take advantage of that fact, the fact that those repetitive sequences vary from individual to individual. i can use these short segments of dna to develop a profile for that individual. >> if you could, i'd like you to break down, in terms of the str process, are there three or four steps you have to go through in order to first determine whether you have enough dna to develop it? >> yes. the first step would be analyzing the item of evidence for the possible bodily fluids, blood, semen and saliva and skin cells. once i stain the portion i test i take a small portion of that stain and use heat and chemicals to perform what i call an extraction. that breaks open the cells in

that stain and exposes the dna molecules and hopefully i can isolate that molecule and wash away the debris and chemicals in that sample. the next step is calmed quantification, i take that sample and see how concentrated, how much dna was i able to recover from that stay in. i use that for the next step called amplification. i'm basically makeing xerox copies almost of the dna molecule but only at 13 or 15 different regions i'm interested in testing to develop the dna profile. i make millions and millions of copies of the molecule at these specific regions so i can analyze these regions. the last step is called electrophoresis, where i actually separate out the dna molecules i was able to amplify by size. i get a data readout, i interpret that, and create dna profile, a set of interpret. i can use those numbers for

comparis comparison. >> when you're going -- i'm sorry. need a minute? when you're going through the ex traction process, stain, or what you believe is a stain, might you be given the actual exhibit itself, like if i gave you this pen or there be a swab from that pen that you're first looking at? >> it varies. sometimes i get an actual item, like a pen, say who was possibly handling this pen, and then i have to take a swab and swab that pen for any skin cells that might be left behind. sometimes i get a swab that was collected from an item, collected by the agency that submitted that, say stamford police department or orlando police department, they swab the pen themselves, put that swab in a box and send that box in to be tested. i just have the swab to work with. i take a cutting of that swab with a scalpel, put that in the tube and perform the testing. >> in terms of that second step you talked about,

quantification, do you need a certain amount of dna in order to get a result. what's the minimum you need? >> there's really no minimum. that step tells me about how much dna i have in the sample. i use that information for the amplification step. the amplification step is kind of like a recipe, like if you have a recipe that calls for one cup of sugar, ideally this recipe called for 1.5 nanograms of dna. i'd like to have that 1.5 or 1 nanogram of dna to put in that tube in order for the reaction to work right for me to get a dna profile i can use for some kind of comparison. if i have less than that i'm still going to go through with the rest of the steps to see. sometimes i can get less information than the full complete dna profile but still enough for me to make comparisons. >> what this is still are the preliminaries. he's trying to lay the foundation for his approach, how

he analyses his evidence, all part of trying to establish his credibility to the jury so they believe him when he gets a to that part of the testimony, it could be, where blood found entree von m-- trayvon martin that could be george zimmerman's. and we will be back after the break as the prosecution gets ready to call the last witness and we will see if the last witness is trayvon martin's mother. and how a parasailing adventure ended horribly in florida. on my last day on "america live," a climb of one of the more memorable segments, a recent conversation of the nature of men, women and work. >> thanks for being here. i'll start with you, eric. what makes you dominant and me submissive and who died and made you scientist in chief?

resuming now the zrm trial with anthony gorgone, a crime analyst and dna expert, during the break once again talking about how you analyze dna. that's part of it. he can't really get to his own analysis of the dna in this case before he establishes the generalities about how it's done. let's rejoin. >> there are times i can determine a dna profile for the lesser contributor, usually if the mixture is only of two people. most of the time mixtures are -- i can't tell if a mixture is from two people, three people, four people. there's a lot of overlapping information in that data. i can't -- usually can't determine any dna profiles for the lesser contributors. lot of times i can pick out a major profile, at least from a mixture. in times i cannot resolve that mixture into individual profiles, i can still make a comparison to the known standards. i can compare those known standards to the mixture as a

whole, to see if their dna profile is represented in that mixture. if it is, they would be included as a possible contributor to that mixture. if they are not -- if i feel there's enough absence of their dna profile they could no way have contributed to that mixture, they would be excluded from that mixture. there are times it's somewhere in between, i can't include them in this mixture and can't exclude them, based on what i'm seeing so i'm not able to make any kind of determination for that person to that mixture. >> sometimes, when you examine an exhibit, do you do a preliminary test and determine whether it's even blood? >> yes. >> tell us about that briefly, that testing, what that involves. >> depending on the case scenario, when i open an item and look at it, i could be looking for any of those bodily fluids i discussed earlier. if i'm looking for blood and see a red-brown staining on the article of clothing or swab or whatever it is, i'll take a rubbing of that stain and try to

rub a little of that material onto a small piece of filter paper and i apply a series of three chemicals. if get a pink color change at the end of that series, that would give me an indication that would be positive for the possible presence of blood. >> before we get into the heart of why you're here, i want to talk briefly about the significance of your findings. assuming you get dna results, i want to talk briefly about the population matters. let me ask you some of questions regarding that, if i could. >> when you examine the results and get an str test, do you determine the probabilities of a match? tell us a little bit about that. >> when i have a match, when i have a single source profile or mixture and someone matches that profile included in that mixture, i need to put a relevance to that match. if i got a result at one location at one of the 13 locations that i test, and it matches an individual, what is

the relevance of that one location matching an individual. there could be maybe three other people, four other people in this room that match that location. i need to put a statistical relevance to that match. when i have 13 locations, i perform what's called a random match probability. when i have any amount of locations that i get, i perform a random match probability. if the possibility that you would pull a random person off the street and test their sample and that they would match that unknown dna profile that i got, whether it's at one location, two locations or all 13 or 15 locations. >> is there a database that you have as a baseline in order to compare to determine, in terms of the percentage of the population? how likely is that to occur? >> the different results i could get at the location, they aren't ev evenly distributed in the population. some results are more common than others. so i use population databases that were put together for the

purpose of estimating about how rare or frequent these different results are in certain ethnic groups. >> and are you familiar with the database that you all use? >> yes. >> has that been accepted in the scientific community being reliable in terms of do you use the pop stats for fbi or what do you use? >> i use two different databases during the course of working this case. we used -- for years we used the fbi's population database. that is generally used within the scientific community. i did test a couple samples later on in this case where we switched to a different database. we call that the butler database, because it was created by dr. john butler. that has the one we currently use in our case work. >> has that been accepted in scientific communities being reliable? >> yes. >> do you use the product rule in some way? >> hopefully they will get to the heart of it soon. we're told that the jury is riveted and taking notes at a

fast and furious pace inside the courtroom, as they listen to this. we'll have more of the testimony in the george zimmerman murder trial momentarily and kelly's court is just ahead what the jury might be focused on as they go to break for the holiday weekend. >> as we wrap up, my last day on "america live" has gotten some calls. people think i'm quitting. i'm not quitting. i'm about to have a baby. i will have this baby and take a brief maternity leave and when i come back, fox news announced i will be moving to primetime. this is my first day officially on "america live" but not fox news channel. we have taken time to look back at our favorite favorite moments of the show. there are so many to choose from but this one made the cut. >> it's been this way for years. it is mine. i want to keep that hairline as low as possible. it's really not even that bad. >> i see. >> it's not that bad. >> everybody thought it was a combover. it's not a combover.

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now they got the witness to say he analyzed both samples of the defendant, trayvon martin and george zimmerman, let's see as he approaches the witness. do you recognize state exhibit 186? >> i do. >> how do you recognize state exhibit 186? >> the package has our fdr casely bell and also my initials and daylightte i opened this pa and the internal package has my initials and date i opened and took a cutting from this sample. >> what do you understand exhibit 186 to be?

>> this is a blood stain card from trayvon martin. >> let me show you state exhibit 188. i ask you if you recognize that, sir? >> i do. the outer package has our fdle bar code label, my initials the day i opened the package, the internal packages with the swab also have my initials and the date. >> what is that, sir? . >> this would be a buckle swab taken from george zimmerman, swabs taken from the inside of the mouth. >> may i show that to the jury, your honor? >> yes, you may. all this writing on here

with your initials would be on here, would i be right? i got it right? what would your initials be on here? >> right here. >> okay. that could be true of all the exhibits in other words, you can verify you actually did analysis on this? >> yes. >> it would have your fdle numbe number, i think you said the print card label fdle? >> yes. the yellow card is from fdle. >> now, i think those were referred to as standards, correct? known standards from george zimmerman and also trayvon martin, is that correct? >> yes. those are known standards used for comparison to all the unknown samples in the case. >> you did the process, you go through the extraction, quantification, et cetera, you get some results, i'm assuming, right? >> hopefully. >> did you get some in this case? >> yes. >> do you then prepare, and for the record i will show you

state's exhibit 206, briefly shown to counsel and no objection. i'm going show you -- may approach the witness, your honor? let me show you the actual exhibits. you have it there. i want you to talk about this in explaining, i believe 13 markers on this one. let me show you state's exhibit 206. thank you, your honor. tell us, when you talk about all these markers, let's go a and -- you don't have your light up thing, do you? i need mr. guy's assist stance, if i could, your honor. may i approach the witness, your honor? i will give you this fancy pad, i guess, or whatever you call

this. i think the button's rig right -- you see it? okay. let's talk about -- you have three columns here. actually, i think i can do it here. you agree on red. let's talk about this description. what are all these? what does this mean right here? >> this column right here is the -- they are the names of the 13 locations that i tested for these samples. loci is like a scientific fancy way of saying location. i test 13 loci. loci would be plural and locus would be one single location. >> wow, numbers. okay. we'll stay with it. the jury's riveted, apparently. the prosecution is trying to wrap up it's case. they thought the jury needed to hear this. clearly, whether they needed to go into quite this much background, in any event,

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george zimmerman murder trial. they have not gotten to the heart of why he's testifying but you heard them give a preview of why he would be on the stand likely from judge ferrer. we will go there but to get thoughts on what happened. former prosecutors, now defense attorneys. let's face it. this is boring. right? this is boring! >> there has been a lot of boring stuff. i can't believe all the networks are covering it. you wake up in the morning, when you do this for a living, who are the witnesses today? oh. it's the lab technician. we can get by that. the prosecution team is like, you want to do it? you can call them as a witness, right? >> it's necessary, don't get me wrong. this is the kind of stuff you have to go through but you summarize this in summation in three sentences. look, the lab technician said a, b, c, dna indicated x, y, z, and

then move on. >> why does it have to be this long and painstaking, john, at 2:30, they started at 2:00, what we now understand will be the prosecution's last day of it's case, they're hoping to rest today, this will be one of the last memories the jury -- do they will have to go through this much detail to get him to say trayvon's dna wasn't on the gun and zimmerman's dna wasn't on trayvon's knuckles or whatever he's going to say. >> exactly. you don't want to put the jury to sleep on the last day, you want to end on a high note. am i the only one waiting for an ah-ha moment that never seems to come from the prosecution in this case? i agree that's what they're building up. why can't they just say it shows this or that and not the math. >> it's what they teach you to do. >> they will lose the jury. >> and the audience. >> they have to check this box, so they can argue this in

closing. but we are told, have reason to believe maybe the final witness will betray von's mom, who's been -- will be trayvon's mom, who's been in the courtroom every day and we're told that's the last witness. that's a different story, this is six female jurors, i think all are mothers. >> five. >> five out of six are mothers. the prosecution will end it's case, we believe, with the mother of the victim on the stand, who's been an exercise in class act. >> right. >> in this case from the beginning. she promises to be a powerful witness. >> conventional wisdom has it, as homicide prosecutors do, you either start with that witness, the next of kin or you end with the next of kin. here, i will tell you, everyone's been asking my opinion, family, friends, et cetera. people agree with what my colleague just said, there hasn't been that ahow mome hah-.

the jury will what is five to six feet away are a mom and a dad who lost a 17-year-old boy having skittles and arizona iced tea, didn't seem -- there was no indication he was committing any crime. he doesn't have a criminal record. it seems like the worst case scenario he was in a fistfight and worst case aggressor in a fistfight and he gets killed. it will be hard for these six women to look them in the eye and say, sorry, it was just a bad mistake and nothing happens. >> there's been next to no, i won't say no, but next to no implication in this case that trayvon martin was doing anything bad, untoward, illegal, you know. they tried to sort of get in, didn't you find something that could have been used as a weapon in the bushes nearby, the defense did. that wasn't very persuasive and only a passing reference. she will get up there and

underscore this was a good child. my child was a good child. i loved my child, all he was doing was going to the 7-eleven for a snack that night. and now he's dead. she's a god-fearing woman and may invoke that before this jury, how do you expects it to play? >> she will be a very sympathetic figure in this but in light of the overwhelming evidence that supports the self-defense defense, sympathy alone is not going to get these six jurors, five of whom are mothers to vote not guilty if you way the sympathy. she has been a class act but the evidence is not supporting a guilty verdict at this point. >> i would like to know why is she testifying exactly? what's the relevance. >> she's going to testify that was trayvon martin's voice on the 911 tape. that's the hook that gets her on the stand. >> the judge is going to allow her to give her opinion because the fbi expert said there wasn't

enough there in those three seconds for an expert to understand, you would need someone who knows that person's voice to be able to identify the voice. >> the judge is giving the prosecution every leeway on every ruling so far in this case. >> she has, hadn't she? >> the prosecution has won everything. >> over the request of the defense objections, even that weird one we saw yesterday, which was, we slept on it and realized some really bad stuff came out for us. could you strike all of that, judge? >> fix it. >> even though we didn't object. >> sure. >> have you seen that happen? jo john? you missed your chance why you have to be ready to object and why you see the irritating lawyers popping up saying objection, objection, because if you don't get it in the horse has left this barn. >> not in 20 years. on the outside chance the defense loses this case, you can bet that will be one of the notions on appeal. >> right. they will take it up and say this judge had no business

sustaining objections made 24 hours after the trial testimony. even so, arthur, what they got stricken was this officer, lead detective testified he believed george zimmerman's story and thought he was telling the truth. they got that stricken technically but they did it by refreshing the jury's memory it was said in the first place and calls even more attention to it. >> in my opinion, that doesn't work. let's face it, as part of the strategy, i ask questions and try to put things in jurors' minds that, yes, get stricken. it's this judge's word. strike that from your brain. what do you do? cut out a piece of your brain? of course not. having judges very pro prosecutorial is not exactly a strange phenomenon when you're in the defense bar. they usually tend to lean in the direction of the government. >> you guys can both say that because you both prosecuted and defended cases. there's been so much spin. when you watch these news channels you can predict how

they come down on the case whether they're a prosecutor or defense attorney. you guys are good because you've been on both sides. you both put bad guys in jail and gotten them out of jail or kept them from going to jail. i want to ask you honestly how you think this case is going now with the understanding the caveat you can never get in the juror's brain. let me start with you. >> i honestly believe the defense has been winning the entire time. i hate to use the word winning. this is not a game to be won or lost. this is a search for the truth as any trial especially a murder case that involves a child, it lends itself to, let's not call this a game with a winner and loser but having said that, i think the prosecution has done a fantastic job of proving reasonable doubt, which is ironic because that's not their job. >> right. >> thus far, there's been no ah-ha moment. the defense is clearly.

they've already shown there's a valid self-defense defense. >> arthur. >> with your last 19 minutes to go in daytime i will put my neck on the line and say i'm saddened this case is covered the way it is all over the place. it's based on race, megyn. i've done this 20 some odd as a prosecutor. if these two men were from the same race we would not be here, i don't care what color of the rainbow you want to make them this is a quote-unquote typical self-defense case that happens around our nation all the time. the media has blown it into something it shouldn't be. how this case should be settled real prosecutors and defense attorneys without the pressure of the media, a plea bargain. look, we don't know which way it will go but give him an offer the risk of going to trial is not worth an acquittal. let him take 3 1/2 years on lesser included charge or five years on lesser included charge opposed to risking 25 years.

that's how this case would be handled in a typical fashion, that's the truth. >> even if he's only convicted of manslaughter one of the lesser includes he could get charged on for second degree, he could still go to jail for 30 years because the victim was under 18. not like he will get manslaughter and get 3-5 years in jail. >> there's tremendous pressure. >> and the jury doesn't know that. >> thank you. as we mark my last day on "america live" and then maternity leave before my last broadcast we are sharing some of the best moments including this one. >> we are tracking one of the hottiest -- one of the hottest -- hottest media controversy controversies and we don't mean the english river.

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this dna expert on the stand. he just testified mr. zimmerman's dna and blood was found on his gun but trayvon martin's dna was not found on the gun. you recall yesterday they had a friend of george zimmerman testify -- he had written a book about this case -- and said zimmerman had told him trayvon martin had grabbed his gun and then he changed it to yesterday to, or may have been reaching for his gun but obviously the prosecution looking to undermine any notion trayvon actually handled that gun in any way. let's listen. >> mr. martin. >> the stick from the right hand had red-brown staining on it so i performed the chemical test for the possible presence of blood and it tested positive. the dna profile i obtained was a single source profile. it was -- it matched the dna profile from trayvon martin. in a sample like this, i call

this an intimate sample because it's collected directly from an individual's body. so when you collect a sample from an individual's body, their dna profile is expected to be seen on that swab or on that sample. so what i'm looking for on an intimate sample is anything foreign to that person. in this case, because the dna profile matched trayvon martin, that means there were no dna foreign to him on that sample. >> in other words, from the right fingernail scrapings of trayvon martin, you did not find any of george zimmerman's dna there, is that correct? >> no. there was nothing foreign to trayvon martin. >> if we could move to the second part i believe would be the finger nail scrapings from the left hand, your findings as to that? >> as to the left hand, stick was not tested for the possible presence of blood. it did not have any staining. i swabbed that to perform the

testing and i did not get any today results from that swab. >> i believe you also examined some swabs, possible dna swabs from the skittles bag and also from the flashlight, is that correct? >> yes. >> may i approach the witness again, your honor? >> you may. >> i'm showing you state's exhibit 169 and i ask you if you recognize state exhibit 169, sir? >> i do. the outside as well as the inside contain my officials and the date. the outside also contain mice bar code, fdle bar code label.

>> are these two exhibits, the swab from the skittles and also from the flashlight? >> yes. >> more of this and couple more favorite moments as we get ready to sign off, at least i do here from "america live." we'll be right back.

want to get you back to the george zimmerman murder trial where they are going through the dna evidence and showing the witness the hooded sweatshirt, the hoodie, that trayvon martin was wearing the night in question. let's watch. >> circled right here are the numbers or the letters or something. how did they get to that? >> those are the stains that i saw during my visual examination of the item for possible blood. i performed the chemical test for blood on those items, on those stains, and i labeled them a, b and c.

>> and we are going to get the photographs and we will also -- let me turn this around. did you examine the whole thing? >> yes. >> now this cutting, did you have anything to do with this cutting there? >> no, that was in tact when i examined the item. >> there appears to be on the backside of the item some writing here and some i would refer to them as holes. but can you explain that, sir? >> that would be my stain c that i examined and those are the cuttings that i took to perform the dna testing. for this one i took three small and put them in as a sample. >> as opposed to the prior sample you have to swab you are making cuttings? >> correct. >> there also appears to be on

this exhibit, i can't testify, so tell me what that means over here. >> that would be stain b. stain a was on the front bottom. stain b is right here, and then this is stain c. those are the three stains that i examined. >> so from the hooded jacket or sweatshirt recovered from trayvon martin you found three separate stains, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> you have labeled them as b, c and then i think on the front is a, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and does this accurately show the area where you made a cutting in order to determine that was dna or not on there? >> yes. >> and how can you say -- >> up next, one of the sweetest moments we have had on america live. back in three minutes.

i now have three minutes until the start of my maternity leave. after that the start of a prime time show here on fox. we have played about half a dozen clips of our favorite moments for you and here is one of my top favorites. my husband, doug, making a

special appearance on the show talking about his book "ghost of manhattan" and why he decided to take up writing. >> it is something that everyone experiences when they want to make a change in their life. for me i made a change from a job i didn't love, and you did the same. you were a lawyer and working hundred-hour weeks. you were exceptional at it. i remember going to dinner with a lawyer who said to me, doug, it doesn't matter how good she becomes as a journalist. she will never be as good as she was as a lawyer. he was wrong. >> this is supposed to be about you. >> well, you are the best -- he was wrong. you are the best journalist. i don't know where the camera is, but anyone watching at home knows that you are the best. >> he is the best. to doug and our children and to the staff and the crew of "america live" and our viewers at home, i want to express my sincere thanks today. we launched this show over three years ago, and we have done our very best to bring you an informative and dynamic

program. my colleagues have put up with a lot over the last nine months. pregnancy can make a gal a bit spicy, but they never complained. you kept tuning in. i thank them and i thank you, and i will see you all after sunset this fall. thanks for watching, everyone. i'm megyn kelly. "studio b" start next. >> so proud of you, megyn. >> thank you, shepherd. >> i can't wait to meet the baby. >> we are about to find out what the baby is. >> i wondered if you would make it through the program. >> can i tell you i had labor pains on the set on monday? my brothers here were getting a little nervous. >> that would make good tv. >> i'm sad we fired o'reilly. i know you needed a time slot. >> it is awkward for him to find out this way. i'm glad you put it out there. >> i'm sorry, bill, but you need more time to write books and it will be great. you will be on from 8:00 until 11:00, right? >> thank you. that's three hours. let's put