i'll see you back 1:00 eastern. o'riley factor is on. tonight. >> some of the biggest names of the movie, music world, television, enter the no-spin zone. >> bill: five kids? >> five kids there might be more. i haven't talked to my wife in an hour. >> just all the babies at home to make you feel uncomfortable. >> academy award winner ben affleck. >> i am not worried about what my liberal friends are going to say. >> bill: getting real about gun control. >> i believe that there could be more comprehensive and effective controls on the sale of guns. >> and dynasty guy proves his program is such a huge

success. >> family values and. >> the factors most interesting right now. >> so funny to be here with you after seeing you all this time. i it's not a compliment, it's the truth. [ laughter ] >> bill: caution you are about to enter the no-spin zone. factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ >> bill: i'm bill o'reilly. for special edition of the factor, we begin with sports guy bob costas who stepped into a highly charged controversy about gun control. >> first up, how do you feel about the right to bear arms? >> obviously americans have a right to bear arms. i haven't immersed myself

in the issue my life. i didn't call for any specific prohibition on guns. never used gun control. i quoted by a column by jason whitlock. >> current gun culture ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and more convenience store con fron tliagsz loud music from a car will lead more teenage boys bloody and dead. handguns exacerbate our flaws and bailt us into confrontation. >> it's the mentality towards guns that always lead to tragedy rather than safety. >> bill: we'll get to that in a moment. gun control, some people felt different. it's an emotional issue. second thing, is mr. whitlock is really far out. >> i'm not agreeing.

>> bill: when you associated yourself with a guy a lot who is that far out there. >> i was unaware about the remarks about the kkk and other things. >> i was unaware and i would disagree were that. >> bill: i'm not scolding you. >> scolding compared to what else, last 72 hours. >> bill: let's advance the story. gun control in america is an emotional issue because it is clear that the founding fathers gave the right to bear arms for two reasons. number one, because they felt the government might go into tyranny and founding fathers they had to settle this giant country. there ought to be laws out in west and people need guns to protect themselves from bears and native americans. there is a history here. all right? most people don't even understand the history. americans grow up with the right to protect themselves against the government and

against bad people. then you enter into the modern age where you have a debate about, well, what is the government's responsibility here because these are lethal weapons. that is where you come in, right? so you are saying that you want a more stringent program by the authorities to make it harder to get guns. >> you are saying i'm saying that. >> bill: you are not saying that? >> if you were to ask me, i believe there should be more comprehensive and effective controls on the sale of guns. >> bill: what does that mean? >> that is not where i was coming from. >> bill: what does that mean? >> roughly 40% of the guns purchased in this country do not require a background check for purchase. >> bill: so you wanted a background check. >> you talked ab stricter penalties for criminals. there is that. there are training programs for those that purchase

guns. i don't see any reason why someone should be able to purchase military style artillery and body armor and automatic weapons, only the police or military. >> bill: all of those reasonable. >> none of that impinges on the second amendment rights. >> bill: i agree with most of that. but here is where you made your mistake. are you ready. >> i would like to hear it. >> bill: roll the tape. >> it demonstrates in the wild west, dirty harry mentality of people that believe that if a number of people were armed in a theater, they would take down this nut job in military style artillery and every policeman would tell you that would increase the tragedy and added to the carnage. >> bill: no. >> what do you mean. >> bill: you and i are in a theater in colorado. we're watching the batman

movie. nut comes in through the backdoor with his guns and he opens fire. >> he has body armer. >> you and i are looking now. >> he can fire hundreds of rounds. >> bill: you are seeing other people go down. answer my question, i'm a simple man. would you rather have the choice of ducking down on the floor or having a handgun on you to pull out and defend yourself against the man? >> hypothetical you present presupposes someone dressed like a joker is going to show up with a bazooka. colorado happens to be a right to carry state but many armed people who just be sitting there watching the movie. i would suggest that if that were the case, it's far more likely than somebody playing dirty harry and taking this guy down and there would be

somebody dispute. >> bill: you are evading my question. we are in the theater. do you want to hit the floor and hope you don't get shot or do you want a gun to protect yourself? >> i don't want to to have a gun on me. in that situation, in the dark, in the confusion, it would be highly already mor likely there would be additional, bullets would be flying all over the place. >> bill: you are in the theoretical now. you don't want a gun, i want one. i want to be able to protect myself against that loon with a gun rather than being on the floor. in colorado you would have been allowed to. >> you are taking me in a direction of a debate that i did not make. >> bill: you said the gun culture and you objected to this kind of thinking. i have this kind of thinking and millions of people have it. i want to be able to

protect myself against that guy. we have an honest gentlemen's disagreement. >> bill: more of the factor, darrell hanna. >> you live in a home. you have a room for a trash can so you have room. >> and comedian on the perils of fatherhood. >> do i look like -- imagine you are drowning and somebody hands you a baby. >> bill: we'll be right

>> bill: actor daryl hannah believes fossil fuels are causing global warming and to switch energy sources throughout the world. i wanted a cleaner planet. >> my goodness. you should know that you i'm not a big fan of oil companies. think we're getting hosed

and they manipulate the prices all day long. i have a nice house on long island, its regular house. beaver could live there, beaver and cleaver, but i have to heat it. >> do you have solar panels? >> i looked into it. do you know how expensive it would be. >> many states that are participating in these leasing programs. you can actually lease them for -- you show them what your electric bill is. they charge you less than your electric bill and they put the solar panels and you just lease them. >> bill: the construction and stuff. >> they pay for the installation. all you do you pay your monthly bill. >> bill: sign a contract with them. so you would recommend solar? >> that is one way and many options. >> bill: what else? >> it depends. talking specific in long

island or regionally it's different. some places wind is better. if you decide that you really want to use liquid fuel, there are alcohol burners that can heat homes. >> bill: alcohol, pour a six pack in there? >> almost. it's closer to old style. >> bill: they give you booze to put in it? >> you can have organized deliveries. are you sure? they advertise everything under the sun. solar panels i've seen. i'll come to your house with alcohol. i have heard that but not in this context. [ laughter ] >> liquid fuels, basically we started making alcohol fuel back when we realized that it was too laborious to go to the coast to get a whale to light lamp oil.

so every guy and that brother had a still in the backyard. they would drink the best and use the rest for fuel. >> bill: so you believe alcohol based and solar panels is a solution? >> it's a combination. there are multitude of combinations. most important thing when you are talking about any kind of liquid but oh fuel is a feed stock, biofuel. >> bill: i flunked chemistry. [ laughter ] >> bill: i'm going to look into the solar panel. last time i did was cost was so prohibitive. >> look at a company that leases the solar panels. zblbl i can't fit into the honda thing that has the plug. i'm not real good with machines. what do i do?

>> find the most efficient car for the best mileage. >> bill: i have a pretty good one? >> its fuel injected as opposed to a post '80s car. once again you can use alcohol fuel. it's not the diesel you can use alcohol fuel. >> bill: where do i get it. mohammad the guy that runs the gas station, he didn't have a alcohol. >> you live in a home, so you have a room for a trash can and you have room for fueling station? >> i can make my own fueling station. >> no, because it's not toxic. it's non-toxic. >> i would have to figure this all out. >> and non-flammable. >> bill: you are going to have to come my house and help me. >> all right. you know what, if you share that information with your viewers i would be happy. >> bill: they are hearing it now. you believe this is all

viable, that we can get away from oil and gas. >> we can. we have solutions available to us. we just don't have the political will and the legislative will. >> bill: i think folks would do it if it was convenient. we're all busy. >> i agree hundred percent. >> if i put a still in my house and it's going to blow up and i'll die. >> i wouldn't trust with you a still. but we have the tools available to us and can make a shift. >> bill: i'm going check it out and if i find it out, i'll report it. we appreciate you coming in. >> stimulated ahead, academy award winner ben affleck and movie. >> i made a movie my friends were democrats and friends republicans can both watch. >> bill: and why is the show dynasty so popular. one of stars shares the secrets of the success moments away.

>>. >> bill: ben affleck, argo won the academy award for best picture. you may remember that. affleck starred in the movie that was based on the 1979 iran crisis. iran is still a major problem. we spoke to affleck about it. >> so you make a movie about a time in history that a lot of people forget, 1979, iran has the american hostages. it's hurting the carter administration, one of the reasons he lost to ronald reagan. why do you want positive make a movie like this? >> for one thing, it's a comedy with a hollywood satire. it's a complicated c.i.a. movie. it's a political movie and

it's all true. >> bill: so entertainment about a serious subject rescuing americans from a dictatorship? >> the serious aspect this a tribute to the folks in clandestine services and foreign service who are risking their lives over there, tragically we've seen expects of that and what they do to give up for our service. >> bill: so this is something from the ben affleck to intelligence community. the same people that waterboarded. what are your liberal friends going to say to you? >> i'm not worried about it. my friends that are democrats and friends that are republicans can both watch. >> bill: you said i'm glorifying people that may did bad things in the name of the country? >> i've been to the c.i.a. i met david petraeus. these are extraordinary

honorable people at the c.i.a.. >> bill: that is good to hear. iran again influencing presidential election because of a nuke thing? >> i'm worried about it because there is trouble spots. this is same regime in my movie and this is the same thing and we're still dealing with them. if they got a bomb, everybody thinks that is trouble. my feeling about it is, one also has to be judicious. frankly i don't think there is a lot.... >> bill: what does judicious mean. here the choice you strangle them with sanctions which seems to be reacting. >> they are in bad trouble. >> bill: or you give netanyahu the okay to go in and whack them. >> my understanding that netanyahu or israel is not capable of whacking to the extent they need to be whacked. i wouldn't outsource

foreign policy to any other government. i would be judicious, they don't want to see war and one would have to be careful. however,, we have to have a line beyond which this is not acceptable in iran. >> bill: if that line were crossed by iran and they were very close. you wouldn't oppose military action to stop their nuclear program? >> i wouldn't oppose military action, the question is where the line is. i wouldn't be backed into the line. >> bill: you are big obama spobter? >> i think obama has done a good job. >> bill: if you were to point to one thing that he accomplished that impressed you, what would it be? >> that may be tricky and he advocated and his major policy goal of changing the tax structure, so the wealthy pay their fair share to me is towering of

importance. any time you change the tax code -- that is not what i'm talking about. changing the tack code. >> bill: there is a philosophy among liberal americans and we are 1 percenters, they can pony up 45% what thisgot and we will spread it around. >> yes. i think you and i, i don't spend so much that i can't afford to pay a little bit more in taxes. i think that is important. it was a good thing by and large. i think it was absolutely necessary to get deeper in a recession. i'm not here to give obama talking points. >> bill: the movie is "argo." we appreciate it. >> factor moves along. and interview with former

mary tyler star. >> and getting personal about singer

>> bill: second personal story, actor and actress, cloris leachman makes a living. they talked about their lives and families. we begin with jim. >> so you got five kids and ten years. >> five kids, there might be more. i haven't talked to my wife from an hour. >> people stop congratulating you after your third kid. >> what is hardest thing about being a dad? >> there are so many things about being a dad i wasn't prepared of. dads are vice president of the executive branch of the family. the mom is the president.

feeling their pain and we're al gore telling them to turn off the lights. >> and why this open door policy where one of our kids has a nightmare, they are welcome to come into our room and be in our bed. >> the dad was dictator, or the pharaoh, he had us doing yard work but he was really second in command. >> my father was the commander of the ship. and he was the king of the castle. but things have changed now. that is for sure. >> things have definitely changed. my dad essentially just brought home the bacon. by that, he didn't even shop for the bay can or cook it, he ate the bacon. not that my father and his generation didn't do anything but they didn't feel guilty. >> bill: am i bringing the bacon home and fi lelt home and lobster tail gets in the mix? >> that sounds amazing, but

you are writing -- how many books do you have out right now. >> bill: with my books. >> my book, the title came from my now seven-year-old son "dad is fat." he showed it to me and put him up for adoption. >> i wrote a column about my son's little league team because they, it's hot. where is the air-conditioning on the field? it's a softer generation. their expectations of dad are not the same that they were. why do you think that so many parents these days put their kids on a pedestal and almost adoring of the child. where again, post world war ii, 50s and 60s. those children were there to shut up. now, they are like little

idols. i don't know what happened? >> i think every generation we try to figure it out. we sit there, the baby should sleep on the stomach. no it should sleep on the back. we're trying to figure it out. that is why i have five kids, all i have to do is one for five, bill. i've got a lot of pancakes. >> i try to pitch in. i do diapers. i don't change them but i do this diaper. [ laughter ] >> bill: final question, you live in new york city when usual not in vae gas with cher but five kids and two bedroom. how do you do that? >> we live in two bedroom apartment? >> it's not like we're setting a goal. we're still in had a two bedroom. her wife when she has her annual baby, that steers the relocation off a little bit. >> bill: i want to make a

pitch to buy your book and you can afford to live out in the suburbs. >> maybe i could move in with you. >> bill: i don't think that is going to happen. we could discuss it. it will be a short conversation. all right, jim, dad is fat. we appreciate you talking to us. >> thanks for having me. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bill: one of the swimming th innings that surprised me, you said you were a pain in a butt on the set of mary tyler moore, is that true? >> it would be something like this, what a -- what? >> i would be on the phone with five children or whatever. >> it is an obscene call. it's rhoda.

>> bill: you kept the cast waiting? >> i have been late all my life. everybody is always nice to me. >> this is big night for you, two aha's. >> bill: what made you turn around? >> because of valerie. never wavered. she was just tenacious with her supported of me. >> have a little respect for your mother, kid, call her aunt phyllis. >> bill: people didn't know that much about her. how was mary on the set? >> she had to be protected. >> bill: protected against what? >> getting worn out. she had to do a lot to salvage her. a lot of interviews and other things. >> i did a couple of things

while shopping. >> bill: when i was a kid, young frankenstein -- you position yourself. in your book you explain why the horses whine. tell us. >> i didn't find out many years later, mel brooks, why that? because luther in german means glue. >> bill: nobody knew that. >> he didn't tell anybody. >> bill: that is unbelievable. isn't that funny. >> brooks himself, he is a crazy guy but you can't be crazy making a movie, you have to be disciplined? >> very. we were completely focused. >> say it! >> bill: looking back over

your xlard life and it was extraordinary. what was the most fun? >> i suppose the mel brooks film. >> good night, doctor. >> good night. >> it's so funny to be here after seeing you all this time. >> bill: thank you. it's not a compliment it's just the truth. [ laughter ] >> bill: i take it as a compliment. it could be. >> i'm delighted to be on your show with you. [ laughter ] >>. >> bill: ahead, jon stewart and d.l.huely. >> president obama i think we were at a more transformative time and i come to expect a certain steadiness with him that i

don't necessarily agree him. >> bill: how mariah carey became such an

♪ ♪ >> bill: here a question that the pop music industry is helping the democratic party big time. in the last presidential election, bruce springsteen, mariah carey give big money to the democrats or actually campaigned for the president. now the top pop world has lost luster in the pop world but still a very powerful industry. earlier this week i talked with tommy motola, written a new book called hit maker the man and his music. >> i want to get some insight into the minds of these big pop, rock performers. a person like bruce

springsteen and giant liberal guy. >> he is fwig fund-raising guy for the president and very outspoken. >> i tend to think most of the artists look at things these days through that lens. >> bill: it did change, a guy like elvis presley was traditional guy. then the and everything changed. ♪ ♪ >> music industry never has gotten away from that. that has been part of the tag of the culture along with the music, came the parties and rock and roll things and all the things you've read about the rolling stones or lots of those things that people have heard about. >> bill: these people are crazy. they are all nuts. michael jackson kills himself, elvis pretty much killed himself, janis and jimi hendrix. they never seem to learn?

>> it's hard to predict what goes on in the minds of an artist. that is what makes they them an artist. the thing that makes them tick pushes them to extremes sometimes can cause fatalities and things that end up not being good. >> bill: what was the most dynamic talented you've seen? you are looking for the next big things? >> when i came so ny i signed mariah carey. ♪ >> i had to chance to work with michael jackson who was brilliant as they come. ♪ ♪ >> you couldn't get through to him on social level though. >> it wasn't my job to do that. my job was to get the best possible music to make and sell for him. >> bill: was that a difficult process? >> it wasn't easy, it could take years. it's like any artist. you can paint many can

advances but you may labor over one canvas. >> bill: i do this every day and i go home. if i'm laboring. >> i should be managing you. >> bill: you discovered mariah carey and actually married her. >> we signed her when she was 19 years old. she got to stardom very quickly, by the time she was 21, she had won two grammies and continued a path of 17 number one records in a row. >> bill: then it all blows up. beyonce, sings the national anthem. ♪ ♪ >> i think that technical aspects of whatever goes on makes it very difficult for anybody to sing. she probably made the call.

this is going to be best suited for what i'm going to do. but beyonce says is one of the greatest singers in the world. ♪ ♪ >> bill: two more questions. for me, best person ever, elvis. stage presence, command and everything. do you agree with me? >> hundred percent. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it was riveting for me. >> bill: beatles most successful group of all time. there was something else there? >> it was a catalyst of fashion and music and the drug culture and everything that was going on at the time. they represented that. >> bill: did they do anything themselves, the four of them to be considered the greatest rock group of all time or, us a say, did d they just

hit it right? >> i think the combination of work. ♪ ♪ >> i think it was a perfect timing and consistency of what they did when they were together. >> bill: you know what is fascinating, billy joel is a friend of mine. all of them have a run of hits in, i hear it in my mind. then it stops. >> there is a burst of energy that comes when your dreams and all the aspirations you think about are there. it's different after you've done it. it changes. >> bill: mr. motola, fascinating book. >> still to come, john stewart talking politics with me, and things get wild moments awa

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♪ >> bill: on the segment tonight, hollywood and politics, there is no question the country is divided. we wanted to chat with jon stewart and d.l. huely to find out why. >> barack obama, you have criticized the president. you said he let you down a couple of times when he didn't do a far left thing that you wanted. [ laughter ] >> how far left am i? >> bill: it depends on the ratings. >> you don't know much about me. >> bill: stewart, it's nice to come in here. would there be a scenario where could you see not voting for barack obama and voting for a republican? >> sure. >> bill: what would that be, what would barack obama have to be beside kicking you in the head? >> what he would have to be, if i didn't have a sense he wanted to move the country and somebody else has a more logical sense.

>> bill: so usual open-minded? >> i don't think i would be able to convince you of that. but i consider myself. >> bill: millions of people of watching and i'm asking the questions they want to know about you. right now, grade president obama going into obama, going into the campaign? >> i can't -- i don't do that. i don't know. >> the jon stewart scale. you voted for him. lived up to your expectations? >> no. >> yes. >> but i don't know if my expectations were fair to the individual. i believed we were at a more transformative time, and so -- but i've come to respect a certain steadiness of his craft that i don't necessarily agree with. i think he had an opportunity more in the reagan mold to be a bully pulpit president than what he appears to be, which is more of a tip o'neill president. like a legislative worker.

more of someone who understands a bureaucratic method as opposed to something that is more, you know, teddy roosevelt, ronald reagan type. >> appreciate you coming in. >> i'm really nice guy. >> are you a standup guy. >> i will always defend my positions. i don't put this out there lightly. >> no. the thing i like about you, you do take cheap shots all the time, but you defend the cheap shots and do so very well. >> that's not the only thing you like about me. your respect grows for me in leaps and bounds. you are like the grinch right after they realize they don't need presents for christmas. are you like a shot of b-12. we come from the same people. >> i think i'm going to commit suicide. jon stewart, everyone. i've interviewed president obama twice and president bush three times, and i respect the

office of the president. but i was not going to allow that interview to turn into any kind of propaganda for either man and people thought i was disrespectful for interrupting, i thought i had toto keep it on track and get my questions answer answered. >> the difference between interrupting the president dozens of times and once or twice, in the middle would have been better. >> have you seen my interview with george bush? >> i have. >> i interrupted the same amount of times. >> you had to, he didn't know what was up. >> oh, really. >> i have never seen the level of disrespect of this president, calling him a layer, terrorist, to a person who has -- doesn't have america's best interests. >> this is a long, long tradition in our history. >> i thought it was disrespectful and i think a lot

of people have taken the president to task. it was as if american ran great and all of a sudden this black guy got into office and it tumbled off the cliff. obviously, i will be much more sensitive and protective of him than i would be of any politician. >> next up, the popularity of "duck dynasty." >> what is that smell? >> you didn't just spray that on you? yeah. >> that would be doe urine. >> what m

"back of the book" segment tonight. duck dynasty. and it's just that. the television show is a massive hit. there is a best-selling book out about it, and it's a kind of mania, around a company called duck commander that makes hunting stuff many only in america could this happen. we talk with the ceo, willy

robertson. "duck dynasty" did all right, got renewed, second year, grew it, third year, you are beating "the factor." >> are you supposed to be working! >> oh, yeah. >> we're taking a break because there is rain. >> we're inside, idiot. >> i think it's the family values, something positive. kids can sit and watch. grandparents, not a lot of filth on it, and it's funny. hard to be funny. >> you guys are characters, that's for sure. >> pull, pull, pull, pull, pull, pull. >> now we're getting somewhere. i'm about to pull this truck all the way across louisiana. >> there has to be something more to it. what is that? >> we have brothers, sisters, mom and dad, all of us together. all of the bickering and fighting, which is realize playful, people can see themselves in that, see the

brothers. >> they are identifying. >> imagine themselves. what if we all worked together. a crazy uncle thrown in there. >> willie, i'm worried the whole country will look like zz top. >> that would be awesome. >> every girl crazy about a sharp-dressed man ♪ >> we're just 100 years off. in 1850, this was in. >> and the age expectancy was 12. everybody died. >> but the beards were awesome. >> how would i look in this kind of -- >> i don't know. i can see it. >> i don't know. yeah. "the factor dynasty." you do this consciouslily to look this way. what's that message about? >> well, i think my father had a lot of anti establishment in him, came through the '60s. >> got all the chicks after him, so all of the young dudes of

america, start grinning and staring at the ground and shut up. >> when he got out, and lived on the river, and build duck calls, no more cutting my hair, no more shaving my beard. >> you could be a hell's angel. >> i'm trying to change that image. make it more positive and friendly. >> your dad, amazing story by the way. he beat out terry bradshaw as a quarterback, and he started duck dynasty to lure ducks to you to kill them. >> quack quack, to eat them. >> blow them out of the sky. >> to eat them. >> anyway, he starts this, and then the whole family gets involved, and now you guys are all rich, but you don't act rich. >> i guess rich people act differently. we can buy better things, but we're not all about money. >> no, you're not. i know you a little bit. ran into willie at d.c. at the nats game.

but are you rich, you don't act rich and i think that might be the secret to your success. >> we grew up not rich at all, very poor, and so for us, we can remember what it's like and we try to stay humble and lord willing, we're doing it and we've been successful. god has blessed us. >> and you do incorporate god in the show. >> we have a family friend right at the end. >> amen. >> anybody bothered you yet on that? >> no, everybody's -- >> you guys are big "factor" viewers down there. >> that's how i work on my debate skills. my wife doesn't always like it. because i just -- i tell her keep it pithy, let's go. >> i met willie's wife, i tell him i'm not debating o'reilly here. pretty funny. all right, willie, continued success. thank you for coming in. >> thank you, bill. thank you for watching this special edition of "thefactor."

i'm bill o'reilly. please remember that the spin stops right here and we're definitely looking out for you. hannity. thank you for being with us. we'll see you back here soon. tonight, high drama in the george zimmerman trail. tray vob's mother testifying that the voice here on the 911 audiotape screaming in the background belongs to her dead son. and the attorney for trayvon's family is here to go on the record. >> have you ever heard him while he was growing up, heard him cry or yelling? >> yes. >> you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> there just were gun shots. >> just heard gunshots? >> yes. >> screaming or yelling, do you recognize that? >> yes. >> and who do you recognize that to