why people pay millions to get a job here. >> once people live in dc they never leave. >> that's our show. i am john stossel. thanks for watching. chilleders. huckabee starts now. tonight on huckabee. >> he was talking, running like 60 something. >> they'res kroing the border in droves, and they're not just looking for work. >> the flow of people coming in is astronomical. how many 9/11s can we stand? >> why are they coming to america? >> and they fought the federal government and won. >> we own over 10,000 acres of timberland in the white river system. >> how pressure from citizens caused the feds to back off their privately owned land. plus, should churches drop their tax-exempt status and tell the irs to go to hell? is

>> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. >> thank you. thank you very, very much, and welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. this week our nation marked 237 years since a group of brave men signed a document that would forever change the history of the world. could they have envisioned such a remarkable country? whatever came from that profound declaration of independence. but to create it, they had to break the law. in fact, they had to defy the very authority of the government that was over them and declare that it no longer had the moral authority to govern. now, consider this statement. i quote, "one has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust

laws." i would agree with st. augustine that an unjust law is no law at all. now, what is the difference between the two? how does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? a just law is a manmade code that squares with the moral law or the law of god. an unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. i submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust is in reality expressing the highest respect for law. if today i lived in a communist country where certain principles dear to the christian faith are suppressed, i would openly advocate disobeying that country's anti-religious laws." that sounds like a statement from some far right wing christian tea party type, doesn't it? i'm sure that liberals who live to disparage evangelicals would think, that's the kind of thing i'd say. you know what, they'd have a field day shredding me for bringing god into the

conversation at all. okay, they can calm down a bit. that statement wasn't mine. i do wish it was because i agree with it. but i didn't originate it. i'm just quoting verbatim the statement made by dr. martin luther king jr., who penned those words as part of his letters from a birmingham jail. let me be blunt. as surely as the secularist of today would be blessed to hear such a statement given their jude yoe christian world view, i think dr. king would be equally aghast to see how far our nation has devolved from god centered moral law to a nation in which everyone did what was right in his own eyes. will there come a day in which the people of this country will again have to determine they must defy the laws, the laws of man, because the men and women who made the laws defied the laws of god? our founders would understand that, and so would dr. martin luther king jr.

a couple of weeks ago at my opening monologue in the show and at a speech at the southern baptist convention in houston, i suggested that churches might come to the place that they'll want to maybe even abandon their tax-exempt status just to protect religious freedom. not everyone agrees with me, not even my good friend jim garlo of the skyline church in san diego, who joins me now. jim, it's so good to talk to you and have you on the showed today. >> thank you, governor. >> jim, i know that my point was a little bit provocative on purpose, but the point is we are rapidly getting to the place where the government is wanting to regulate to a point where churches, faith groups are going to be treated differently because of their convictions. you think we're not quite to the point where we ought to say the tax-exempt status is maybe no longer valid. i want to give you an opportunity to express what

would be a better way that we can deal with what is maybe a growing oppression on churches? >> you're certainly right on that. there is a growing oppression on churches, and it's quite remarkable. the premise of your statement in houston, i really agree with, which is pastors should worry much more about the living truth of god than about the tax code, and that's precisely right. the conclusion is how do we respond? you suggested giving up, for example, our tax exemption. it doesn't actually quite work that way. if you send a tax-exempt letter back to the irs, saying i don't want your tax-exempt letter any longer, you send it back, the church still itself is legally tax-exempt. many churches know this. you don't have to have a letter from the irs to be tax-exempt, if you are a church, you are automatically, according to tax code, tax-exempt. there's plenty of case study on this particular issue. what do we do? pastors certainly wouldn't send the letter back and turn their church into a for profit

corporation? that's not an option. nobody wants their church to be a for profit corporation. what are the options? we contend -- and i say we, that's 2,200 attorneys of the alliance defending freedom -- claim the constitution already gives us complete freedom in the first amendment for what we want. congress shall make no law pertaining to. so we have the right to say anything we want about any topic. a pastor could endorse or decline a candidate from the pulpit legally via the first amendment, until 1954, this innovative thing called the johnson amendment. for 160-plus years, american pastors could say what they want from the pulpit. then in july the 2nd, 1954, with this brand new law that was passed on a voice vote only with no discussion, lyndon baines johnson was the mover behind that. he wasn't aiming at the churches. his chief of staff admits he was aiming at two businessmen in texas who offended him that happened to have not for profit corporations. he wanted to shut them down. the irs stepped in, seized the

moment, and swept into that 501c3 category, which happens to be churches. for 58 years, the attempt has been to get that law challenged in court because it's believed it's unconstitutional. that's precisely what the pulpit freedom sunday movement is all about. pastors can legally say what we want, and we record our sermons, mail them to the irs, and say sue us because we're standing on the constitution and on the first amendment. a preacher doesn't have to preach about those items if he doesn't want to, that's up to him. but it's not up to the irs to tell us anything we can say in the pulpit. >> has a church ever been sued by the irs? >> there's been 2,000 of us that have mailed our sermons in, and we've only gotten responses back, thank you, we received your sermon, or something like that. there's some great sermons in the irs. somebody must be getting saved there. it's exciting with all the great sermons there. >> i don't think they're

listening to them yet if they continue to attack nonprofit organizations and conservative groups. but there has not been, to my knowledge, any church that's ever actually lost its tax-exempt status over take ag stand, or has there? >> there's been one for effectively a day. their irs tax letter was taken from them, upstate new york, a very well-known case a number of years ago. here's the key again. the irs can revoke your letter. they cannot take your tax-exempt status. why is that? because the irs, lead attorneys tell us, they go to every corporation, and it's either a for profit or 501c category. there's 25 categories under 501c, unions, screen actors guild, nfl. there's lots of not for profit organizations. >> the nfl is not for profit, jim? are you kidding me? is if that's not a profit, i

don't ever want to hear about churches getting too much money ever, ever again. >> exactly right. >> we only have about a minute. >> the point is all of these categories, 29 categories, they have freedom of speech. no speech restriction on them at all. only one category, 501c3, under which all churches fall, that's the only one under not for profit corporation, that has speech restrictions placed upon it. we think that violates the constitution's first amendment. >> jim, it's a pleasure. it's interesting because i think it may be that the irs and the threat of the irs action has been hanging over the heads of pastors and churches for over 60 years. the fact is it's about time to test it and see if there's really any teeth in the tiger. we shall soon see. maybe they'll sue you. i just hope not me. that's my goal. jim, thanks so much. great to talk to you. always a pleasure, my friend. >> good to be with you, governor. >> thank you. the house is going to be taking up the senate's immigration reform bill.

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last week the senate passed a landmark immigration bill that by all indications will not survive the house of representatives. they want to draft a bill with greater focus on securing the border with mexico. there's a documentary. it's a remarkable documentary, and it's called "they come to america 2." this gives us a glimpse of what parts of the border look like now. >> in this part of the world, we don't have a lot of tourist attractions, but this is one of them. this is emergency distress beacon, and most people find it

it curious that it's in three languages, english, spanish, and chinese. and since the last time we were out here, they've even been so nice as to add a 5 fwalon bugalt of water, courtesy of the united states government. >> i have a question for you. why do you think that sign should be down along the border in texas, written in english, written in spanish, and in chinese? the government made that, congressman. >> our government? is >> yes. i mean, you've been in congress for 22 years, right? >> right. >> has anybody ever showed you that picture before? >> no. >> nobody's ever gone to one of your hearings and said, look at this picture sth >> no. >> joining me is the producer of the documentary, dennis michael lynch. dennis, this is a remarkable film that you have made. thank you very much for joining us to talk about it. >> thank you. >> you've been down on these borders. you've talked to the agents who work there. this is not something you've just seen pictures of. you have physically been there

for extended periods of time. what are they telling you, especially in light of the immigration reform bill? >> well, yeah. i worked alongside them -- nighttime, morning time, all the time. it is so dangerous down at that border, and you don't see that on television because cameramen don't usually go there. what they're saying is they can't do their job. they're understaffed. they're not given the resources that they need. they're not given the support that they need, and they're very frustrated they're not allowed to speak to the press, they're not allowed to speak to the people. they want to say, hey, listen, this is what's coming through, and everything is coming through. >> what is coming through down there? >> you just saw. there's an abundance of chinese. >> chinese? i didn't know we bordered china. i guess that's a new one for me. i thought i passed geography. >> yeah. >> how are chinese coming across the mexican border? >> we're joking about it, but it's very, very serious. because, as i asked congressman

king, if i had a bus of drug cartel members, hezbollah, or chinese nationals, what don't you want to get through? and he said the chinese nationals. and the reason being is because the chinese nationals, they can create a cyber 9/11, and i witnessed 9/11 firsthand. i was like this, and i ran from those buildings. a cyber 9/11 would make that day look simple. i mean, we're talking about shutting down our air traffic control or shutting down the electric grid on the east coast. this country would not be able to get through that sort of thing. so the fact that we're allowing that to come through the border -- in fact, marketing 101, make your signs out so people are going to read them. so we have that. i'm finding -- i'm catching 60 people at a clip with the border patrol agents, and mixed in are people from the middle east. it doesn't take a lot for mohammed to transform himself into miguel, and that's what they do. they try to blend in, and they get through. governor, even if the border

patrol catches 20, the other 40 are getting through. >> you said there were three things that need to be done. what are those three things? is >> three things that need to be done to stop these people? >> right. >> number one thing is will. there's no will to stop the people. you could throw a ka zillion dollars at this problem, unless you have will, forget about it. but if i were the president of the united states, i'd walk off the set right now, and i'd call up the national guard, based on what i've seen coming through the border, and i'd have them down there now. and while they're down there, i would build a double fence because all the areas in the country that have double fencing, they've limited the crossings by 95%. so you've got will, you've got national guard, and you've got a double fence. when you get those three things in order, you'll be safe. >> the senate would argue that their bill puts billions of new dollars and 20,000 more border patrol agents on the border. so what's not to love? >> i go by -- first of all, that bill is one of those things where you have to read the same

page over and over again because you're like what did that just say? it makes no sense. so, again, i go back -- the money thing is not it. i'm in places in arizona right now where you have one border agent standing on a ten-mile stretch right outside a drug cartel, and we've got 200 border trucks sitting in the parking lot. this is not a matter of money. this is a matter of saying, immigration law protects the american worker, and it protects the american life. right now the government is just saying, well, you know, if it happens to you, it happens to you, and i'm very sorry. that's not leadership. that's not what these people voted for. >> what is the worst thing that you have personally seen at the border that ought to scare the rest of us out of our pants? >> i've seen the fact that there's nobody stopping people from coming over and that -- is this a border patrol issue? do they want to stop them? >> of course they want to stop them. they want to do their job. nobody answers the world of law

enforcement so this way they can turn their eye the other way. we have a 40-mile stretch of the rio grande. you'll see this in the film. 40-mile stretch. we have two border patrol boats traveling together, 40 miles. and as i'm going down, it's drug cartel south after drug cartel south with groups of guys just coming over. when you see in my film where i'm capturing these people, that's 100 miles into texas. the majority of people are getting through. so when president obama and janet napolitano and even the others say the border is more secure than ever before, i'm sorry. that's not the truth. it's not. my film proves it. >> maybe they'll watch it. >> they better. >> most of us will. coming up, i want to ask dennis about the immigration reform bill that's been passed by the senate. does it prevent american citizens from finding work? that would be interesting, wouldn't it?

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what do you think is going to happen if 11 million illegal immigrants are now allowed to compete for the same jobs? >> bringing more immigrants in is going to make it worse than it already is. >> i'm all about us making it over here first before we can take care of someone else. i think that's the important thing. >> i've been seeing a lot of

companies hiring illegal immigrants, paying them off the books, cash. they don't even look toward us because they can make more money for themselves and pay the immigrants less mobby. >> i just want a job. that's it. give americans a chance first. >> under the senate immigration reform bill, immigrant workers are not allowed to receive obama care benefits. texas senator ted cruz argues that's going to give employers incentive to actually fireworkers that are now here legally and replace them with immigrants. dennis, let's pick it up there. that's kind of an interesting scenario. is that possible? >> of course it is. it's exactly what it is. and as far as i'm concerned, it's the silver bullet to the american worker's head. the gang of eight, there's not one person in there who's ever operated a business. so they don't look at this the right way like i do. when i heard marco rubio cheerleading, they don't get obama care, immediately i said to myself, my goodness, that's terrible because, as patriotic as i am -- and i've been an entrepreneur since i've been 18 years old -- i understand that

the cost of health care is the difference between a business sinking or swimming. so now all of a sudden, i have my american workers, 60 people here, and i could hire illegal immigrants legally and not have to give them obama care? i saved $5,000 per head, and that is enough for me, as patriotic as i am, to say i'm sorry. you need to go home, and i'm going to hire these folks. i could do it legally. even when they say, they're not going to get welfare benefits, we're going to have to give it to them instead. this is a pathway to disaster, and we will never understand until it happens that america will never be the america we know. we will go down to a one party system, which is no good for anybody, whether you're republican or democrat. we will have unprecedented unemployment. and as we saw in the last segment, each one of these person's lives is in grave danger because, let me tell you, we just watched the city of

boston shut down for a week because of two guys who learned how to use pressure cookers. every terrorist said, wow, we don't have to fly airplanes into buildings anymore. so they're sitting back there right now thinking to themselves, how do we do this on every other tuesday across all the malls in america? >> an unemployment office in south carolina, dennis let the folks who were in the line listen to the words of their own senator, lindsey graham. let's watch. >> this is injuyour senator. >> i want it to be a win-win where somebody from overseas can come here temporarily and improve their life. >> did you hear what he just said? >> is that a gimmick, do you think? >> is that a gimmick? no, he did this in the senate hearing. >> oh. >> there's 11 million illegal immigrants right now in the country. he wants to give those illegal immigrants citizenship so this way they could also compete against you in these jobs. >> they're already getting the jobs. >> they're already done getting it. >> they're already getting the

jobs? >> yes. >> we need these jobs for our family, or we wouldn't be here. >> these were a lot of people in south carolina, they were at a job fair looking for work. explain their frustration as you talked to them. >> that was the unemployment line. i always get a little choked up when i see that because, what you don't see in that clip is people be graing my hand saying, please don't stop doing what you're doing. as far as i'm concerned now, the senate bill has passed, i've got to work even harder starting tomorrow for those folks. look, there is this crazy idea that americans don't want to do the hard work. it's a lie. americans want to work. a broken spirit is what i saw most often when i traveled the country making this film. what's the cost you put on that, governor? and i say this, i know it sounds maybe a little salesy, but it's not. it comes from the heart. if people go to theycometoamerica.com and get the dvd, i've been doing it for

a year. i send them free copies. take those copies and give it to people who don't watch fox because you are the only people who are being responsible and really telling both sides of the story. and they go out, and what happens? congressmen wind up calling me. stephen king just called me and said, i'm going to be down in front of the congressional hearings, seeing what i'm seeing on the unemployment lines, seeing what you find in the desert. americans are starving for change, governor. >> do you think there will be a very different reaction in the house than we saw in the senate? i'm expecting there will be. >> there had better be because i'm going to be on them like white on rice. >> governor, this has to stop. we are at a point in time in america where the president and many members of congress are more concerned about the well-being of illegal immigrants than they are the american citizens. that's wrong. it's just like being on an airplane. you've got to put the mask on you first before i put it on you

because i can't take care of you if i'm not helping myself. if i were the president of the united states, i'd get everybody back to work. i would get the borders secure, and then after we were solid, we were back to being that shining city on the hill, then i would reach out across the world and say, we're going to help you. >> appreciate you being here. it's a real pleasure. thank you so very much. is the federal government hijacking the heartland, or are they just trying to be helpful? coming up, we'll be talking about regulations that are supposed to protect rivers and lakes, but they have land owners fearing for their land and their livelihoods. that's next. the first time i saw a sony 4k tv, it was like opening my eyes. it's four times the detail of hd.

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memorial service is scheduled for tuesday. i am marianne rafferty. now back to "huckabee." i'm heather childers. now back to huckabee. america, the land of the free. the little known federal program caused some middle america land owners to fear it was just going to be another government excursion into freely being able to use their land, but proving you can fight city hall and the federal government. these local officials, business owners, and land owners faced some questions, and in a stunning move on the late afternoon of the 4th of july holiday, the department of interior said never mind, seeming to time the release when no one was paying attention. the department of interior unexpectedly yanked back its plans to create the white river blue ways project. ultimately, people in the heartland didn't trust a government that uses the irs to punish conservatives and

faith-based organizations, that continues to lie about benghazi and spying on citizens, and which has shown its true colors in attempting to take over our health care by implementing a plan has so convoluted that they're delaying its launch. and this time, the people won. after more than a year of planning to implement blue ways in the ozarks, the department of interior suddenly backed off, just about the time that i put the spotlight on the program on my radio show and as interior officials learned we were planning an in depth look at the blue ways proposal right here on "huckabee" on fox news. did the sunlight we were putting on the program cause the abrupt reversal? doesn't really matter. what matters is the feds found out that it might be best in the future to try getting the approval of the people and their duly elected representatives rather than just legislating by regulating. in a joint statement, senators john barrasso of wyoming, john bozeman of arkansas, and roy

blunt of missouri lauded the decision to withdraw the project due to lack of local input and public hearings. here's some background. take a look at this map of missouri and arkansas. the shaded area is the white river watershed. this area covers nearly 18 million acres and 60 counties. it's roughly three times the size of new jersey. now, i fished and hunted in that area for the past 20 years, and it holds some of the most pristine and magnificent waterways and woods in all of north america, and the people who live and make their living there care far more about it than some beltway bureaucrats who probably wouldn't know a mallard from a spoonbill. the department of interiors national blue way system sought to regulate the use of rivers, marshes, ponds, lakes, any accumulation of water on privately owned area in this land, but land owners, they weren't informed about the

details. oh, and it's not just in this area of the country. last year parts of four states in new england were also designated as blue wayses. and the goal, designate 25 blue ways across the country in the next five years. minnesota and indiana next in line. land owners feared they had no say in the matter and that the blue ways would impact agriculture in their area. while the white whichever blue ways project is over, there are still 24 others. i predict that, as land owners and local officials become aware of blue ways, more states and local governments are going to question if they really trust the intentions of the federal government. i'm pretty sure not many local officials and land owners are okay with the words trust us coming from the federal government. christie roberts is the owner of a wooden pallet making company in the white river area. the harvesting of pallets would

have been affected by the program. and darrell styles is the county commissioner. he wanted to know why local officials had no vote on the issue, and he also feared why his family's farm just outside the area would also be subject to new restrictions. christie, what involvement did you have and other locals have? you're the president of the local chamber of commerce. i assume you were asked about your input in the blue ways. >> no, we weren't asked. i know of no one in our area that was -- had any type of request for any input or contacted about any meetings or was in any way notified this was even happening right now. >> and, darrell, you're a county commissioner, elected local official by the people to look after their interests. were you informed and said, this is what we're thinking about doing? how can we partner up here? >> governor, no. i wasn't informed, or my associate commissioners weren't

informed, and i can tell you, as the information has gotten out there to folks about this program and that they've been working on this for months and months and months, and they have the nerve to call it a local initiative and talk about stakeholders, people are just absolutely enraged. i don't think i've seen an issue in our part of the country that's really getting people's attention as much as this. and all of the commissions and county governments are very upset. >> christie, let's talk about how it might affect your business. you're the ceo of roberts pallet company. you make wooden pallets. obviously, that's a wood products type company. what's the concerns? interior says nothing to worry about here. we just want to improve it for everybody. we'll all live happily ever after. >> well, that's just it. we don't know how it's going to affect our business. after reviewing the maps, we discovered that actually we own over 10,000 acres of timberland in the white river blue way

system, and we harvest that timber regularly, and we don't know how it's going to affect us. there's many regulations already when it comes to harvesting our timber, and this definitely could have affect on our future business. as a business owner, it's hard enough to take care of our business and keep our employees going without having more restrictions put on us. so we just don't know how this is going to affect us. i know they're saying that it's not intended to change anything, but why set up a designated area if there's no intentions to change anything? one year from now, there may still not be any changes. five years from now, there may be changes that we're just not aware of right now. ten years from now, it may get a whole lot worse. why do we need a blue way system now? >> let me ask you this. how long has that land been in your family? >> the majority of that land has been in our family since before

1990. >> okay. and you've had a connection to the land for a long, long time? >> oh, absolutely. even more so than that. we actually own land on currant river. my husband's family farm was on currant river and was taken from them in the 1960s. we have a connection to the river, and we have restrictions on what we can do there. i know it's all for the good so everybody can enjoy the river, but we just feel like this is a way for them to come in and tell us more about what we can and cannot do. as private property owners, that's hitting right to the heart of what the ozark people stand for. our right, when it comes to our property, is very important to us. i don't believe the people of the ozark is going to sit back and let this happen. in the 1990s, there was an endeavor to land grab a bunch of

the land here in our area, and the people stopped it then, and i fully expect that the people now will get to stop too. this is just something we're not going to stand for. >> i have a lot of friends up in that area, and i'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to mess with them, and i wouldn't want to take their land away. darrell, you also own family farm property. i assume your family has had property there for quite some time. how long does your history with that land in the ozark white river watershed go back? >> yes, our family settled the property where i live now on our farm actually in the 1800s when our -- my ancestors moved here from tennessee and settled it then in the 1800s. >> what i want to establish is this is land that has long been in your family. so the question is do you love that land? do you want to protect it? or are you interested in just destroying it and ripping it to pieces, shredding it, destroying

it so that future generations won't get to enjoy it as much as you? i'm not trying to lead you. i'd be probably stopped in a courtroom, but my point is, the question is who loves that land most? you or the federal government and some bureaucrats in washington who decided to designate it some way? >> absolutely, governor. i love that land more than anybody does, yes, and i know christy and those people, i know those folks over in the neighboring counties as well. most of those folks have connections to those lands that go back just like ours, back to the 1800s, and i think part of it comes down to people don't seem to know and understand what home is. for a lot of people, home is just where their residence is, where they live at the time. for us, a lot of us in the ozarks, home has a much deeper meaning, and we could go somewhere else and live, but it would never be home. we value, we treasure, we protect that home, we'll protect that home however we have to. and we've seen these threats, as christy mentioned earlier, from -- we've seen these threats from government agencies

constantly, constantly trying to inflict measures and things that make it very, very difficult for us to stay in our homes. i think we have a much different and deeper appreciation for those lands that we call home than a lot of people do. obviously, more than what these federal agencies realize. >> darrell and christy, i want to thank you very much for being here. coming up, wyoming senator john barrasso will tell us why he thinks the federal government can't be trusted.

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wyoming senator john barrasso is not convinced the federal government's national blue way system can be trusted. i spoke to him before the department of interior withdrew the white river blue ways

project. senator, we've had a lot of reasons to have doubts about the federal government, some of their motives and what they're doing, from benghazi and the irs to dealing with the press and the nsa, now they're saying, trust us. this is going to be good for you. we're here to help you. should land owners in the ozark area designated the blue way, should they be concerned? >> i think they should be concerned, governor. first, let me thank you for your leadership in calling national attention to this very important issue. i agree with you. the people that love the land the most are the best stewards of the land are the people that live there locally. what we see here is a washington power grab. it's unauthorized. it's unilateral. the secretary of interior can go in there and designate some area as a blue ways, and it's not just the water, it's that entire watershed. they have basically drawn a large circle over a big area, and they created this out of thin air. this is just washington once again saying they know better than the people at home.

>> senator, i've antelope hunted in your lovely state, and it's a magnificent state, as would be the ozark region. my experience is that people who are there so care about it, and they just don't want anyone to come in and mess it up. but when i talk to people who defend blueways, their response is, look, this isn't black helicopter tin foil hat stuff, this is real effort on the federal government to make it all better, to improve it. so why should i still be concerned that there may be something else behind all this? >> well, i have the same concerns that you do. what we have seen is washington with -- whether it's the endangered species act, the clean air act, the clean water act, go way beyond the original intent of any of those legislation pieces, and whatever secretary salazar was secretary of the interior at the time may have promised people, we now have a new secretary of interior, and that's why you

don't want to leave this up to individuals. you want people locally having the information, the input, and the power to control those decisions. where are the checks and balances of government in terms of having congress have a say in this instead of a secretary of interior and an administration having the full authority to put this in place? i say, if people at home don't like it, and i know my county commissioners in wyoming just hate this, how can we make sure that we're taken off a list and they're not included in a list because there doesn't seem to right now be any appeal mechanism for removing yourself from the list. what role did senators like you and other senators of rural or western or midwestern states have in the development of the blueway designation? and when did you first learn of it? >> we had absolutely no input or understanding until secretary salazar came out with his executive ruling on this kind of

creating it out of thin air, and we have been fighting it ever since through the western senate caucus. the legislative team from missouri as well as your home state of arkansas, very concerned, writing to the new secretary of interior. i expect an investigation in the house to continue into this because government is designed to have checks and balances, and you just should not leave out local people who i believe are the best stewards of the land and make the best decisions. but you can have some environmental extremist group come in once we have something with this blueways designation, whether it's the river in arkansas or in wyoming, and then say, oh, no, you're no longer able to use the land in ways that you as the private land owner would like to use it. whether that's for a development, construction, whatever, they can come in and say, oh, no, we have to protect this area, and it is a very wide

watershed. 37 counties in arkansas are included. with regard to wyoming and montana, it's about half of the state that is included in this very large swath of land, which is considered part of the watershed. >> and clearly, one of the concerns is that, once the federal government takes over control, they can determine whether you can even take a tree out, they can consider whether you add a boat dock to your own pond. i'm not saying that's what this is now, but isn't that the concern of what it could become? >> that is a concern of what it could become. to me, that is a taking. that is a violation of the fifth amendment of the constitution, our right to private property, and if the government comes in and acts in a way that takes aaway our ability to use our property as individuals, that then they're fighting the constitution. people are owed restitution for that. this is such a broad area, governor. it involves so many people and so much area, that you just worry about what unintended

consequences there may be to this sort of a designation that didn't go through congress. it just came to the secretary of interior, and with this administration, so i believe very power hungry and really top down in terms of making decisions, i think it's going to be harmful to local economies, to communities, and to basically local control. >> is senatsenator, thanks for it to our attention and for taking a stand and keeping people aware. we really, genuinely appreciate you being here today. >> thanks for your leadership, governor. we appreciate you. >> the white river blueways was on a fast track, but once we started raising questions along with land owners and local fishes and senators barrasso and bozeman, the department of interior abruptly abandoned this own program, but they did so on the late afternoon just before the july 4th holiday, giving us good reason to believe that the entire project wasn't something that welcomed intense scrutiny. oh, maybe the intentions were all noble, but given our

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