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greta vstanding by to take it o "the record." george zimmerman has to be er of hours, his fate will be in the hands of the jury. the prosecutor made plain what he wants. he wants a conviction. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through now fault of his own. >> he bought a skittles and some kind of iced tea. that was his crime. the defendant claims the victim was -- how is he going to talk? or is he lying about that? you hear what he's saying now? he is saying that armpit, how does he get the gun out? the defendant realizes, oh, that doesn't look good, that means
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i'm chasing him. that means that trayvon martin is the one that's scared. what does he say? oh, he's skipping away. la, la, la. that's what he's claiming. unfortunately, because his assumptions were wrong, trayvon benjamin martin no longer walks on this earth. it's good citizens get along, but he went over the line. why does the defendant get out of the car if he thinks trayvon mart sink a threat to him. why? why? because he's got a gun. he's got the equalizer. he is going to take care of it. a want to be cop. he brought a gun to a struggle to a fight, that he started, and wanting to make sure that the victim didn't get away. they can't take anymore photos. and that's true because of the actions of one person.
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the man who pointed the gun, the defendant, george zimmerman. the man who is guilty of second degree murder. >> the latest from inside the courtroom, wofl fox orlando reporter, holly bristol joins us. >>ed good evening it seems two straight hours we heard a couple of things repeated over and over and over again. george zimmerman was a want to be cop, a liar, wrongly profiled a 17-year-old boy that only had skittles on him. followed him, murdered him, and the prosecutors kept telling the jury the same thing. go back and remember what was presented in the case. you want to remember the law, you want to remember witness testimony. eyewitness testimony, and you want to remember your god-given common sense and backed that up by saying this was a man who got out of a car, knew he had a gun and going after a teenager. >> any sort of reaction from the
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defense team tonight after the -- this is the first part of the closing arguments. they will gelt a rebuttal tomorrow. any rest for the defense team? >> none so far. they look like they are pretty confident going into tomorrow. >> the judge -- >> oh, oh. >> a little testy. >> i had say it's evident she is getting sick. sniffling, voice sounding a little scratchy. defense, didn't agree with some of the decisions. and she said you need to honor the court and listen to the court and not arguing and fighting back with me. >> same sort of exchanges with the prosecution? >> not the way that she has with the defense and it doesn't seem to be with lead defense attorney, mark o'mara, all with don west. i don't think we'll see those tomorrow, because it sounds like mark o'mara is putting the show on for the defense. >> family of trayvon martin
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there today? >> they were there today. a tweet this morning from trayvon's mother, she has had a hard time, but she's going to put herself together and strand strong. >> george zimmerman's wife was there, mother was there, uncle who testified was there and two cousins there. >> convicted of manslaughter, the lesser, do you know the penalty? >> i think it's at least 15 to 20 years. >> a lot of time. thank you, holly. >> certainly. a big scene at today's closing arguments. the prosecutor calling george zimmerman a liar. >> where did he go, which direction? and i said i don't know. he cut down from here and made a right. >> did you catch that? did you catch him in one lie right there? he originallyly to the police over and over, before anybody -- even after his interview, didn't
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know the name of the street and when they let him talk, he gives the name right there. common sense. only three streets and lived there four years. again, why does he have to lie about that? because he does not want to admit that he was following this innocent young boy. >> the defendant, george zimmerman, two people. one shot to death, one who lied about how it happened. why? why might that be? you wonder? because one is shot to death and the other one lies, why would that person lie? >> joining us, our legal panel in washington, bernie grim, jim hammer, and here in sanford, florida, ted wall yailliams, di tennis. hammering on the issue of liar,
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why is that such an important point for the prosecution? >> they have a really tough road to hoe, has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that self-defense does not apply. they need the jury to believe not just that this is a follower, profiler, they need to believe that george zimmerman's story is a complete lie. if they believe the essence of george zimmerman's story which i submit has been very consistent, they will believe injuries caused him to draw the gun. that's self-defense in a nutshell. they need to poke holes in the story. i don't think they went far enough today. they will have to really bring this together. we don't know what the prosecution theory is. >> we'll get it into a little later. i was surprised the prosecution in closing argument, i thought they threw in the towel on murder two, and they really
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pushed manslaughter. that's why the defense has to be really worried about manslaughter. the whole attack on credibility of george zimmerman. why that? >> well, it's all we've really got. talked about the past couple of weeks. the problem in self-defense case, the othered side of the fight in this case, he's not with you. all -- i remember prosecuting a case like this. convinced it was a murder case, and they found him not guilty of murder, guilty of manslaughter. one hope is to convince him he lied about the key facts in this case and get the jury to say he's lying and guilty and making up a self-defense. a tough case to prosecute. that's what they are trying to do. >> how many years convicted of manslaughter? >> gun involved, maximum 30, no minimum mandatory, but u.s. still harsh. a harsh reality. >> ted, the credibility of the defendant? >> well, i think that the
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prosecutor is trying his best with the weak i believe evidence, that they have to work with. and when it comes to inconsistencies and these lies, one of the things we must remember is when one of the police officers got on the stand and said that, hey, i believe zimmerman, that really hurt. now, the next day they said we want to strike it, but, hey, that was still in the minds of the jury. >> with the murder two, i totally agree, let me hammer home, i would be terrified of that manslaughter after today. bernie, your thoughts about the closing argument today of the prosecutor. >> greta, you and i know better than anybody. we hate these lesser included, and a very difficult conversation on with your client. sometimes the judge will give it over your objection, but you're right, mr. zimmerman should be concerned about that.
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the state is pounding the lies, because there are no eyewitnesss. so they need prove he is lying about it. i think they exaggerated things like zimmerman got out of the car and didn't know what street he was on. if he was concerned, maybe he didn't know where he was. it's obviously very dark out there. that's minutia. that's misrecollection as the court calls them. >> i set all four of you up on the whole issue of credibility. i want you to hear something, and i can't believe the defense just sat there with this. lets listen to another argument by the prosecutor, and i'll tell you something. >> a man who after shooting trayvon martin, claims to not have realized that he was dead. recall also what happened when mr. manaldo came out and recall also what happened when the officer came out.
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and as they handcuffed him. recall what he told mr. manaldo, please call my wife. mr. manaldo was taking too long and he said just tell her i killed him. >> that george zimmerman is a lawyer, because liar, because he said that to the neighbor. here is the actual testimony about that phone call with zimmerman's wife. >> i had a connection with her right away, and i said your husband has been involved in a shooting, he's being handcuffed and held for questioning at the sanford police department. and around that time, he kind of cut me off and said just tell me i shot someone. >> so, diana, let's talk about that. what the witness really said was shooting. and when the -- when the prosecutor today says to the jury that he's a liar, he acts
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surprised when he hears it an hour later. who is the one that has a draw? the prosecutor or not? where is the defense? i would have been on my feet, i would have jumped up, objected and asked to strike that. >> tomorrow night, we are going to talk about this. i guarantee you, the defense caught that, plus a lot of other things, they argued evidence that wasn't anywhere near. >> the minute i heard, i thought object, object, object. say that's not true. misleading the jury and instruct the jury the truth. trying to make my client a layer, and he's dead wrong. >> i want us to wait until tomorrow. i believe every misstatement will be rammed down the throat of the prosecution. >> right then and there i would have done it. >> i do believe we'll say tomorrow -- >> never would have gone past me. >> no, it would not have gotten past me. they missed a lot of objections
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in this case. clearly one that they should have objected. this is what the prosecutor has to worry about. those jurors have taken copious notes, and if the prosecution is giving them inconsistencies, they will use that against the prosecution. >> such a missed opportunity to disrupt the prosecution's closing argument to point at the prosecutor and say he's trying to mislead the jury on something so critical. >> greta? >> yeah, jim. if i was sitting across bernie, you have to be on your toes. if he doesn't cut you off today, he will cut you off tomorrow. everything depends on credibility. are you supposed to be wearing the white hat and being the good guy. if you misstate the evidence, you might not be the good guy. i have picked up the real inconsistencies. if the d.a. crewed up and he gets called on that, it's terrible for the prosecution. >> he did screw up. we just played the tape where
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he's trying to make it look like that zimmerman is lying when he talks to the cops. >> i'm surprised bernie -- >> it's a total missed opportunity. >> i'm surprised bernie didn't object from his office in washington. >> the judge was going to say, everybody keep in mind what your recollection of the evidence is. that's what she will say. >> tomorrow. go ahead and say that. and you know what i would do? >> they will actually play it. >> let her make that mousey statement to the jury and just sit there and then the next, i would say remember when the judge made that mousey statement to you and didn't want to tell the truth. that's what i would do. >> then he will really go to jail. >> and greta may go with him. >> bernie, are you on my side or are you with these other mousey people? >> i'm on my side, and what o'mara is doing right now is watching this show saying let the prosecution continue to make the misstatements, because
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hammer is right, at the end here. the lawyers, they respect the base, if they all of a sudden bail out on this and say, you know what? not telling the truth anymore, o'mara is setting him up. just like you just said. >> bernie, here is the difference. why it should have been done today. it disrupts the flow of the prosecution to be called out on something so important, you ral rattle the prosecutor and tell the jury to be on their toes. he doesn't get it right intentionally or something else. i would have called him out right there. >> watch tomorrow, and i will -- >> you mean they are not going to be sitting there tomorrow. >> o'mara is going to say, la ladies of the jury, what happened yesterday with the inconsistency. >> i can't believe you guys. the passion about these things. >> greta, i'm with you. if the defense really did that, i would cut them off embarrass
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them in front of the jury. game, set, match. >> we'll take another sound bite. something else that the prosecutor said. >> the defendant is guilty of murder in the second degree. i mean, do you believe that there is an innocent man sitting over there right now? >> the problem i have with that. >> presumption of innocence. he shifted the burden. i would have been on my feet, judge, now he's trying to shift the burden on this. that's what i would have done. been all over this prosecutor. >> but, greta, in listening to you, you would have -- apparently if you were representing zimmerman, would you have been standing through the state's whole closing argument. different lawyers do it different ways. i feel that i can give -- >> he's facing life in prison. >> i feel i can give a better closing argument than the other side. in the courtroom, you have to
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believe that. let the state make as many lies as they want. i will shove it up or down their notes tomorrow. >> this is not a judge that will make them look wrong. not going to say, well -- >> let me tell you something. not a popularity contest with the judge. if the judge has a problem, you say i would like to make my record for the court of appeals. your not there to make a friend. >> why do that if it's only going to look like you are trying to interrupt. >> if they walk away with a manslaughter discussion because they weren't aggressive, we'll have this discussion. >> yes, we will. >> george zimmerman's own interview with sean hannity in the closing argument. listen. >> on the 911 call, you say he's running. you said that to the dispatch. any chance in retrospect, you look back on that night, trying to get into the mind-set. we also have learned that trayvon was speaking with his
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girlfriend supposedly at the time, that maybe he was afraid of you, didn't know who you were? >> no. >> you don't think -- why do you think he was running then? >> well, i might have said running. >> you said he was running. >> yes. he was like skipping, going away kw quickly. but he wasn't running out of fear. >> you could tell the difference? >> he wasn't running. >> he wasn't actually running? >> no, sir. >> and let me ask you a very simple question. perhaps trayvon martin is scared of you, since you're following him, and he's running away from you. so he realizes at that time, the defendant realizes, oh, that doesn't look good, because that means i'm chasing him. that means trayvon martin is the one that's scared. doesn't look good for me, so what does he say? oh, he's skipping away. la, la, la.
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>> well, that's interesting. do you skip in the courtroom, ted? >> oh, i don't know. >> oh, come on. i know you're a skipper. >> sometimes. but come on. look, these minor inconsistencies. >> oh, but that one -- >> it's not minor. >> it's not going to mean anything. >> but it's not minor. >> not with that manslaughter sitting there, it's not minor. >> greta. >> it's noty are minor. but george's story didn't change anymore often than the prosecution story did. on the top, on the bottom, stanning, did he his hit head on a tree, electric box? >> i couldn't disagree more. >> you might be -- you might be true in a clinical setting, but the problem is manslaughter is sitting there. and any fear of any defense lawyer, we can't -- we don't think it's murder two, but trayvon is a nice young man and only had skittles and tea so
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we'll do manslaughter. right, bernie? >> can i just say, when you listen to that, and we've heard liars on the stand, at home, or on the street, this sounds like a liar. i don't mean running, i mean skipping. are you kidding me? he was skipping? >> jim -- >> real quick, real quick. it sounds like someone very intentionally minimizing and changing his statement. and the prosecution's one hope is listening to this guy, they go, wait, he is a layer. he is making this up. on key points he did this, and i think it's huge. >> panel, stay with us. so much more to talk about. first, tonight's hot button issue on gretawire.com. do you think george zimmerman was a want to be cop that crossed the line or good faith citizen trying to protect his neighborhood. go vote in our poll.
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and coming up, is judge nelson out of line? way out of line? judge nelson getting testy with the lawyers more than once. you can see the heated exchanges and decide. coming up. but first does trayvon mart you know's family think the prosecution made its case today. much more live coverage from much more live coverage from sanford, florida, ahead. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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defendant, george zimmerman. the man who is guilty of second degree murder. thank you. >> trayvon martin's family in the courtroom here in sanford every day. their lawyer, darryl parks joins us now. >> thank you for having me. >> always on the other side of the cases doing defense. thinking the family of the victim, how tough it is in the courtroom. do they feel hostile toward george zimmerman? what is the feeling? >> obviously, there is no leave and probably built the volume that for the fact of attempts to apologize half hearted. we tried in the courtroom, what he said on the "hannity" show. didn't seem to be very contrite. didn't seem to be very sincere. you get a person like that, taken your child's life, and for the general public it may seem to be impersonal, like you
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forget it's real. you hear tracy martin say trayvon was his best friend, that's very real. when i see sybrina having a tough moment, when it's going through her whole body, the pain she's feeling from the loss, that's very real and see the guy that caused all that pain walk past you as if he's just having a lovely day, right? goes to the core. and the heart of all of this is that emotion, and you have to always remember that, because i think people really lose sight of that when you see all of the other stuff going on around them. >> it's so clinical to us, in the sense that the lawyers, even like on television, so removed. we oftentimes forget, and we know whatever happened out there, the hypothetical, trayvon martin, if he's the aggressor, nonetheless, their hearts are broken and they did nothing
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wrong, the parents, the brothers, the sisters and we oftentimes forget in our clinical analysis and pushing people through the system, the people in the system. >> well, let me tell you this. one day i was having lunch with sybrina in miami. i wasn't at the funeral, i had never been to his burial site. and for me, when i do serious wrongful death death cases, i like to see the final resting place. i went to the mocrypt, trayvon martin. for me, it helped mean the finality of what we're dealing with. it made it very real for me. no matter what else, i remember that moment and where he is today, and so that puts me in a different mind-set when i listen to some of the other things that may go on in the case and trayvon did nothing to cause that. >> we talk to our clients and
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prepare them for all possibilities. one possibility, here is acquittal. have you prepared them for that? and can they accept that? can they accept that there was a fair trial? and six jurors, can accept an acquittal? >> this is the first time we tried to have that conversation with them, right? that is not a conversation we can have right now, not a conversation to have right now. so we have to place it in god's hands. >> do you sort of like -- the rule of the lawyers, oochb coft complex. we shepherd them through situations. you have to have that conversation sometime so it's easier if that happens. not that this is ever easy. >> here is what i decided after having that conversation today. i broke the meeting and said, you know what? we'll decide after what we do after we get the verdict in hahn. we'll rally up and make
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decisions then. >> that stuff comes fast. >> it's so heartfelt right now, greta, they can't have that conversation, they really can't. we have taken steps to make sure privacy which you will see when the jury comes back tomorrow, saturday, whatever, but as it relates to let's say other matters that we have to do post-trial, we won't decide that until after, because they are feeling very, very heightened level of emotion at this point. >> do they watch these shows at night? >> somewhat. at the end of the night, they'll ask me what am i doing? they are very tired. tomorrow morning, we have an early morning. in court at 8:330. we have to leave early, so they can't stay up too late. >> they shouldn't watch the stuff, it are alwalways makes i. coming up, judge nelson getting testy with the lawyers. was the judge out of line or did the lawyers deserve it? the lawyers deserve it? what is the most compelli my mantra?
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we are live outside the sanford, florida, courthouse, where the zimmerman trial got heated. lots of testy exchanges between the judge debra nelson and the lawyers. is the judge out of order or the lawyers? >> how much longer do you think how long this will take? i have had a jury sitting there until 9:00. i stayed late to get this accomplished and i was told i didn't have. we will be in recess until tomorrow morning. >> it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. had full days every day. weekends, depositions at night. >> have you made a decision, sir, as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> your honor, i object to that question. >> overrule. have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify or not?
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>> objection. >> overrule. >> the case is not concluded yet. >> i understand that. i asked mr. zimmerman if he needs more time. if he does, i had afford it to him. >> on mr. zimmerman's behalf. >> i am asking your client questions, please, mr. west. >> i object of the court asking about mr. zimmerman's decision to testify. >> your objection is overruled. you disagree with the court every time i make a ruling. >> had a double level of security. we know that. >> and i know any 7-year-old can learn the passwords and get into that. they do it all the time. if i made a mistake in this case, you will appeal. if there is a conviction, it will get appealed to a higher court and they can review it to determine whether or not i made a mistake. >> this was a trick. doesn't the judge realize this was a trick? >> my intention right now is to get through the rest of the jury
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instructions, because if we have any arguments about the others, i would like to get them resolved. we will come back to this one. >> our legal panel is back. diana, you are a lawyer in florida. let me say one thing. i have certainly heard judges a lot worse. however, is he presumed innocent, and it's her job to be a referee and not ever be a bully, even if she's annoyed by the attorneys. what do you think? since you practice here. >> i have known don west for 20 years, i don't know that person. so close to the line, i swear to up. >> the lawyer was. >> yes. >> so you are on judge nelson's side? >> no, no, no. it's been building up for so many weeks, but he's like the zen guy. never seen him upset.
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the night she made them work until 10:00, telling them you will be back at 8:00 and walking out on them when they were telling her i can't do it, unreasonable, unacceptable, but all of that goes away when she does not let the state of florida argue their degree felony murder, because let me tell you -- >> oh -- >> wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! that was ridiculous. totally ridiculous to begin with. >> hold on! >> pulling the punches. >> category two, on the watch for it, they were not. >> honestly, when you read it, she could let them go that way, legally in the state of florida. she gave them that this morning. she is forgiven to me. >> bottom line, not is she on knox shouse to the lawyers when the jury is not there, but is she fair? >> the judge has to be the
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referee of the empire. ted has seen some, diana has seen a lot of it, i trust you guys' judgment. i love this guy, west. i didn't come out of blocks real hot on him, because he came out andly to a knock knock joke, which really troubled me. is he a cool cat. doesn't raise his voice, not disrespectful. too bad for the judge. this guy's job is to zealously represent his client in the bounds of the law. if an ethical violation is the goal line, your heels should be on it the entire trial. >> and she ought to -- even if the lawyers are annoyed, she ought to, since the defendant's life is on the line, life in prison, they need to make a record when they object, they ought to be a record. >> look, i don't have any problem of anybody making a record, but you have to give respect and you have to get respect, and you have to respect the court. hold on, greta, there were times
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that he was out of line. >> you know what? ted -- >> when she was pummelling the defendant about whether or not he is going to testify or not, that was so -- that was so over the top. >> we're all soft, greta. >> 100% wrong. not only wrong. i don't have a problem with that. i know what happened today. she was trying to keep control of her courtroom and she was right with that. >> you are all soft out on the east coast. come out to the west coast. until a judge throws someone in jail, we've seen that, until a judge threatens somebody with jail, she is working 12 hours a day, she has jurors with kids at home, god bless her for keeping that case moving. >> god bless her for moving the case along, the defense isn't over, and such an important question. and she's pummelling about him, she was dead wrong on that.
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>> a very fair trial. bernie is right, his defense attorney has done a great job. >> agreed. >> when a judge makes a ruling, and when she rules, his or her ruling and for you to say something afterward, that's inappropriate. >> he was upset. very, very upset. >> i don't know, ted. you throw some elbows, punches. you let the jury decide. >> kwissing up to the judges, come on! >> diana has to practice here, so we give her a pass. >> she knows who has the power. up next, physical evidence up next, physical evidence convict or acquit george [ brent ] now steve's looking pretty good so far. [ herbie ] eh, hold on brent, what's this? mmmm, nice car. there's no doubt, that's definitely gonna throw him off. she's seen it too. oh this could be trouble. [ sentra lock noise ] oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ] oh, he's down in flames and now the ice-cold shoulder.
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>> you recall one of the things we talked about, dr. dimaio, the distinguished doctor, this photograph that the defense keeps parading. do you recall what i did? i said what do you expect? blood. and i'm going to show you the photographs. not just that the medical examiner, saying, no, that doctor, he is incompetent. the photographs at the scene show what? no blood in his hands. oh, it was raining that night. wow, and i guess the blood on the defendant's head just stuck there, right? but on the victim it just kind of vanished? can't have it like that. >> forensic pathologist dr. michael baden joins us. >> can i make a suggestion? please have ted teach bernie a little bit about shirts and ties.
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>> i will certainly do that. i will talk to him after the show. let me ask you a question. if you were the seventh juror on this case, what piece of forensic evidence caught your attention, and whether it helps the defense or the prosecution? >> greta, in putting all the forensic evidence together, it doesn't distinguish the position of whether they were stanniding lying, which one was on top. it does say, and dr. dimaio clear brought out, the tip of the gun, about four inches from the left chest of trayvon martin, and it was slightly at an angle from left to right. that's what we know, but it doesn't tell us how the wrist was, if the muzzle was extended, bent up, down, pointing up or pointing -- while both were
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standing up. they all could give the same gunshot track. so the -- the injuries to the head and nose, unfortunately, were not further evaluated medically, you can't tell if u. it's a nose fracture unless you x-ray it. the injuries on the back of the head, i agree that it looks like two impacts possibly against that sidewalk which would lean toward at some point, zimmerman being on the bottom. but the -- the shirt being out a few inches, could happen if trayvon is on top or trayvon is on the bottom and the shirt is pulled out, shooting and pulling out the shirt at the same time by the shooter.
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so the positions of the two people, since nobody saw them at the moment discharging the gun depends largely on the credibility of the various people who gave opinions and that's the jury decision. >> well, it seems from your recitation, almost like a deadlock and a deadlock always is to the advantage of the defendants since the prosecution bears the burr of proof. no compelling piece of evidence that said it was self-defense, second degree murder. nothing so riveting. >> that's right, greta. that's right. it could be interpreted either way, and it -- depending on the credibility of the people giving their testimony as to the positions of the body. >> dr. baden, thank you. it will turn on whether or not we assume largely if the jury is -- believes those statements by george zimmerman. a huge impact. >> especially -- especially a
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sequestered jury. >> indeed. dr. baden, thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. up next, the controversial ♪ show map. [ whines ] ♪ [ man ] show weather. [ male announcer ] fully trained to obey your every command. ♪ the 2013 ram laramie longhorn, featuring uconnect with voice command. [ horn honks ] [ barking ] guts. glory. ram. [ barking ] do you guys ride? well... no. sometimes, yeah. yes. well, if you know anybody else who also rides, send them here -- we got great coverage.
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closing argument defense may see animation. the judge may not prevent the defense from seeing this video but committing the defense to show it during closing arguments. our legal panel is back. if i were a prosecutor boy have seen a fault. how now, the jury gets to see this if it had been presented now that doesn't happen. it's a one sided thing. the defense to show it tomorrow, big loss, i that i ruling for this prosecution. >> you're right, greta. there is one way the prosecution could have got even that was to do their own video recreation. you're allowed one set of images to not have your own, huge mistake, greta. >> greta: ted? >> certainly right. >> you're not? >> you are, also. >> because this is going to be so in the juror's minds in
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this closing argument. >> it's so one sided right? i mean, as all evidence is, you put forward on behalf of one's side this, is a video animation. >> i mean technology is amazing more and more in the last 10 years you're seeing it in the courtroom. it's color coded. it's pro portional. one producer noted when trayvon martin in animation strikes zimmerman he's striking with a left hand. i don't believe he's left handed but you're right. >> greta: but do you know what? that may be because it was presented in the defense case, prosecution never got to establish that system. >> the prosecution makes this crack about the animation the jury going to hear? well they're showing this age from 1982 that says what if across the top of it. which is perfect. perfect, reasonable doubt in this card board. >> what i'm hoping this will show is that zimmerma
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zimmerman -- trayvon hands are over zimmermans and questions be the use. >> yes. yes. >> that is the strong part. they show a picture today meaning in closing arguments. he said if trayvon put his hands over zimmerman's mouth where is the blood? vain not going to get rid of it. >> greta: how about the gun? >> you and i were back there. very dark back there. zimmerman said trayvon saw his gun. listen, it's highly impossible and improbable you can see that gun in that darkness back there. pitch black. >> greta: now let's do voo doo. how long is the jfr going to be out, jim? this is voodoo. >> it's i think the jury knows how important this case schl i think saturday. a rushed verdict would be bad for everybody. i'd say saturday or monday. >> we've got head shakers not
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i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that? geico. just a click away with our free mobile app. >> greta: jury here is expected to get the zimmerman case tomorrow, first thing in the morning george zimmerman's defense lawyer will give his closing argument then the prosecution gets a chance. prosecutor will give the final rebuttal then, the judge instructing the jury on the law. the jury expected to begin deliberations sometime in the afternoon. the jury will consider two charges second degree murder and manslaughter. we're going to bring you latest developments including notes, verdicts, anything fwr that jury. thanks for joining us tonight. join us again tomorrow night. for latest we'll be back live right here tomorrow night. right now go to gretawire. gretawire is a completely new look. so have you to go to gretawire
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right now. start wlog blogging. wait until you see the new look. it's a special new look g night, see you tomorrow night, good night. hello. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five"." we will celebrate our two-year anniversary! a very dramatic day in court as the prosecution delivered the closing arguments in the george zimmerman murder trial. here is some of what the jury heard earlier. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through no fault of
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