when george zimmerman looked at trayvon martin, he saw, you know, another perpetrator in his mind just like all the others. >> laura: that's true. geraldo, good to see you. again, thanks for watching tonight. i'm laura ingraham. i'm in for bill o'reilly. remember, the spin stops right here. glnk. >> sean: this is a fox news alert. we are on verdict watch in the zimmerman smured trial. the jury began deliberations 2:00 p.m. eastern standard time today and they recessed 6:00 p.m. after three and a half hours. they will resume deliberations tomorrow at 9:00 in the morning. welcome to this live studio audience edition of hannity. just a moment, he we will bring in our distinguished group of attorneys, law enforcement experts, political pundits for complete analysis of the trial. but earlier today the defense team presented closing arguments reiterating what they believe the evidence points to, and that is that george zimmerman shot trayvon martin in self-defense after being viciously attacked. so, we eagerly await the verdict. let me bring in this great studio audience.

welcome all of you. good to see you. all right. let me start with a question for all of you. is there any of you that think the verdict will come back second degree murder? show of hands. manslaughter? 1, 2, 3, 4. 5? yes or no? >> hopeful. >> you are hopeful for that? >> yeah. >> how many of you think it will be not guilty? all right. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. hung jury? >> yes. [ laughter ] >> hung jury. two hung juries. all right. i felt today how many would agree with me that the jury instructions were really important today? peter, you are a great attorney. >> they are absolutely critical. it's so important that we understand that it is not actual feelings. it's not actual harm. it's the perception of harm. perception of serious injury or death in terms of justifiable homicide. and that's key to this case. what george zimmerman was

feeling at the time he shot. >> sean: how important was it, you are a prosecutor. >> extremely it lays it out. they are succinct. they explained to the jury what they can and cannot use. what peter was saying what was in the heart and assistant of mind george zimmerman. not only what was he thinking but was it reasonable. no matter where you are in this case, people are thinking very differently what is reasonable and what isn't. >> sean: i'm going to put up on the screen for our studio audience here. these were the jury instructions that the jury was given today and this deals with the issue of self-defense. let's start at the beginning. an issue in this case is whether george zimmerman acted in self-defense. it is defense to the crime of second degree murder and the lesser included offense of manslaughter if the death of trayvon martin resulted from the justifiable use of deadly force. de force means likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

i will continue. a person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself. i will will move one more. if george zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and he had had the right to stand his ground to meet force with force, including deadly force, if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. now, as i read that, when you add the eyewitness, the one eyewitness that ground and pound mma style fists going down and the injuries con sis stent with that story, does that -- should that be end of the case? how many of you agree that's powerful argument? even though you think it will be -- most of you. who disagrees?

>> okay. why? >> because, there is a narrative that took place immediately before and a narrative that takes place during the actual confrontation. and one of the elements of this instruction is that george zimmerman could not have been conducting -- he couldn't have been committing a crime when he actually pulled out his gun. the question is, was he attacking george -- was he attacking trayvon martin when this altercation, this confrontation turned itself on him? >> didn't the eyewitness say that -- identify trayvon on top of george? >> there was an eyewitness there was a neighbor that said it there was also another who came in and said it was certainly clear tore that expert that it was zimmerman on the bottom. but here is the big issue. was it reasonable? is that person, meek that george zimmerman reasonably believed that he had imminent fear of harm. >> what precipitated it immediately before. we don't know. you can't attack somebody. you cannot attack somebody.

>> in florida it doesn't matter. >> sean: wait a minute. let me go to tacopina over here who is an attorney. >> in florida the way -- when i come up to you, can i just attack you on the street for no reason. start mum ling you, you being as strong and mighty as you are could overcome me. hypothetically speaking. overcome me and pummeling me. putting my head to the i may die from this or suffer severe injuries. at that point i'm entitled by florida law to take out my gun. >> not if you were -- >> it doesn't matter if i started the fight. it does not matter if i started the fight. >> you don't actually have to have been injured. that is an important thing that the judge did not instruct them on what great bodily harm is because it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. under the supreme court. >> sean: for those of you that don't think that this is justifiable, i ask you, based on what these instructions say here, if you believe it's great bodily harm, is not reasonable to think if ground and pound, the one

eyewitness, that's not reasonable? >> expert -- there was expert testimony that specifically said those injuries were not life threatening. had you a fractured nose and lacerations to the back of the head. >> wait, wait, wait. >> if he believes that they were life threatening or possibly -- and by, look, the expert for the defense who was i think the best expert in this case. >> the most renowned. >> i think it was unimpeachable and he said, listen, it would be reasonable for someone to think that they might die. >> the point is that anybody who has been in a fight rolling on the ground which i have been involved in a lot of them, if you have got a guy's head on the ground and you are starting to come down with some punches and his head has no retreat on the concrete, you can catch -- you can catch a lucky blow and you could really hurt that guy seriously if not kill him. >> sean, that's why the concrete as a demonstrative evidence today was so great. when he used the concrete

during his closing he showed that can be used as a deadly weapon like bo said. >> also, the prosecution was never able to negate the use of force expert that the defense had. so, the jury has to go and say that was never controverted. that's the only evidence we have. >> shepard: important words you said we don't know. if you don't know, rebekah? >> if you don't know you must acquit. reasonable doubt. that is exactly what is here. we have reasonable doubt no matter -- yeah, something tragic happened there was reasonable doubt. there should be an acquittal. there is no question. >> the fact that zimmerman did not testify, it's going to go to the fact of the jurors have to decide what they consider to be reasonable. we don't know what he thought. and if it is reasonable or not, the juries have to say. i don't think it was justified. >> sean: why? >> because based on the injuries that were presented during the trial, i don't think they justified someone believing oh i was about to be killed or seriously injured. >> sean: i want to -- >> we don't know that the

witness had him straddled mma, ground and pound, injuries, broken nose, lacerations. bumps on his head. >> that's reasonable to have happen in any fight. >> no, no. >> it is. >> if zimmerman believes that that pounding was going to either kill him or force serious physical injury if it was reasonable to believe it. >> we don't know. >> yes, but of course we don't know that's why you go on the witnesses and the experts. >> all right. hold on. hey, sean, sean. >> got a bunch of attorneys. >> sean, it's not a close call. >> shepard: peter will calm things down. this is a bunch of smart people. the issue is actuality vs. perception. some of us are saying oh he didn't really have injuries. there is no equal damage. and joe has it right. it's the perception of injury. it's the perception of great bodily harm. even if it is not met by

actuality and reality. and mma, if you had your head being pounded on the ground, two times or three times, and you think that it's going to cause you great bodily harm, under the state of florida law, you have the right and it is a justifiable defense. so you. >> sean: peter, you think it should be acquit but you thing hung. >> i think it should be acquit but i am afraid it might be hung. the emotionality that we are seeing even in this expert audience. >> there is a lawsuit of lawyers here. >> sean: we have to take a break. we have three whole segments just for you. [cheers] >> sean: i promise we will get everybody in. we have got to take a break. rod wheeler and mark ferman will be here to weigh in on the case. our special edition of hannity continues. thanks for being with us. i did my research. my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment.

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>> sean: welcome back to this live audience edition of hannity. jurors will resume at the:00 a.m. eastern standard time tomorrow. joining me now with analysis. reporter boyd she was in the courtroom during the entire trial. rod wheeler and mark fuhrman. bring us the reaction if any by the jurors. >> well, when george zimmerman's attorney mark o'mara spoke for three hours during closing argument, the jurors were very focused and some of them took notes.

i notice that b 29. the only minority on the jury, she actually nodded her head and looked at trayvon martin's parents as well as zimmerman's parents. i also noticed that one of the jurors actually smerkd when o'mara was mocking one of the prosecutors. that was kind of funny. six women also, of course, they were very focused as prosecutor john guy said that zimmerman lied. >> sean: mark fuhrman we have been talking a lot. have you been with us throughout the case. what was your reaction today and the jury instructions? >> i thought the defense did a great job at laying out every witness statement and every piece of evidence. and then clearly showed how they believe the entire incident went down. and, the second time i saw the arguments both prosecution and defense, something struck me, sean, and that was that the prosecution was clearly afraid of the evidence and witnesses. sometimes their own. and the defense really embraced every piece of evidence and every witness, whether it was prosecution

or defense. it was clearly that they were more comfortable than the prosecution was with all the evidence. >> sean: rod, you too have been with us the whole way here what was your reaction today. >> actually, sean, i was very disappointed with the defense. omar are a did north do a good job, let's face it with the closing arguments. he did a great job with the case itself. with the closing arguments, he didn't leave the passion. he didn't leave, you know, this is what it really is we didn't get that out of omar are a. but we did get that out of prosecution. that is a fact. and i think this case is going to really be settled based upon the fact that who has the most passion and who actually presented the most evidence in this case that's convincing. >> sean: am i interpreting you right because the prosecution was more animated. >> they were, sean. >> sean: played more on emotion they get points for that, style? >> sean, let me tell you and the viewers, this is the reality.

you have known me a long time. i have been involved in homicide cases for years. that plays heavily on the jury. the emotion of the prosecutor plays on the jury. if you come across, sean, like o'mara did in the closing arguments, that wasn't a good closing argument for the defense. >> shepard: forget the law, the one eyewitness, forget the injuries as long as what you say is emotional and powerful, that's that sir couple events the law? the evidence in the case? >> yeah. not necessarily, you don't forget it but, all i'm saying, sean, is that it definitely plays a role. in my homicide detective, including my colleague mark murman will tell that you plays a significant role. the closing arguments, the passion. behind that closing argument. that really matters with the jury. i mean, it does. >> sean: mark? >> i have never seen a prosecutor act like these two prosecutors. they weren't passionate. they were angry. they were bitter. they were in your face.

they were accusatory. and they ignored to address the evidence head on. some of the witnesses they had like the medical examiner, that last medical examiner who said he knew zero. he should have already been fired. the level of witnesses. why didn't they have a use of force witness for the prosecution? they certainly have them at their disposal, every law enforcement officer in the state of florida is available to them. why didn't they have one? why didn't they have a real medical examiner? why did they have two people that sound like they were in grade school? >> wow. pretty powerful statement. valerie, you were there. was there a difference in the reaction close rg arguments for the prosecution or for the defense earlier today? >> well, sean, when mark o'mara played that animation of what they thought happened the night of the shooting, i thought the jurors were very, very focused. they stopped taking the notes. they just sat back and they were watching very focused. very concentrated. i thought he actually was

seemless using that animation and he made it very easy to understand. he also went through each witness and, you know, kind of put doubt in people's minds with the state witnesses. so, i thought, you know, i thought he did a good job. >> sean: i thought also, look, i think visuals are always a good thing to use. it makes it more powerful. not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. not guilty. i thought he was laying out for them the standard. i thought that was a pretty effective. did you get any reaction out of the jurors at that point. [for the most part they are stone faced very blank unless sag emotional comes out. oweo'mara used a lot of props, block of cement cut out figurines to show that trayvon martin was taller than zimmerman. i thought it was interesting when john guy got up there, he admitted he didn't have all the props that o'mara had. >> sean: all right,

valerie,. >> by choice, sean. >> sean: last word. >> by choice he didn't have those props. they certainly had the availability and the money. they didn't present a prop or animation review of what they felt the evidence showed because they couldn't. if they did, they would have been proving the defense's case. >> sean: thank you all. have you been with us from the beginning. we will be checking back with you on monday. thank you all for being with us. coming up, i have my theory on what i really think happened that night. i will ask studio audience about that coming up next, of the always outspoken ann coulter and the rest of the show we will turn it on over to our evidence of experts as we await the verdict in the george zimmerman trial. stay with us here on audience he addition of hannity. mmmm, nice car. there's no doubt, that's definitely gonna throw him off. she's seen it too. oh this could be trouble. [ sentra lock noise ] oh man. gotta think fast, herbie. back pedal, back pedal. [ crowd cheering ] oh, he's down in flames and now the ice-cold shoulder. one last play... no, game over!

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>> sean: welcome back for special coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial. still ahead, we are going to turn things back over to live studio audience. first, last night on this program the always outspoken ann coulter blasted the mainstream media for their coverage of the trial making headlines across the country. she is back again. how are you. >> fine, thank you. >> sean: headlines today. >> one of the most important things actually something i talked about last night was showing the cardboard cutouts the size of the two of them. the way they keep showing childhood photos of trayvon

martin. you have the idea that this is bruit shot an 11-year-old. no, trayvon martin was taller, weighed more, was young, and fit and a fighter i remain sorry that they couldn't get the social media parts in. and i mean that's something that is being ignored by the media we certainly hear about every, every altercation george zimmerman has ever gotten in. and if you are trying to figure out what happened, forget the legal standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. that george zimmerman was not in fear of imminent bodily harm. but just for the news media's coverage of this, it is just all negative about george zimmerman and all angelic and precious about trayvon. it's the media trying to gin up riots if there is an acquittal. they are the running doing this and keep hinting at it and insisting on it. it's really ugly. >> sean: you compared it to the duke lacrosse case. media got that wrong, too. >> yeah. many of the same people. >> sean: many of the same

people what's from us stralgt to me. i don't think this case, you tell me if i am right, would have even been brought if not for the media and activism the fact that it fit into narrative white america constantly oppressing black america. they will grab at anything even if they don't have a fully certified white person good enough. we got george zimmerman and it's like so many cases i tell or stories i tell in my cases in my book mugged, racial demagoguery from the 70s to obama. this would happen all the time where you get the confirmation photos first confirmation photos of the alleged victim and just ugly, ugly stories of alleged white racism, you know, here in new york, this is not a jim crow state then, you know, six months later reading the newspaper on page a 18 the truth. the black man was mugging the cop. it turns out no one did put white paint shoe polish.

it was a hate crime to get into a new school. the way liberals tell us the truth of the story. it's like they are whispering the end of a bedtime story to a little kid so they will go to sleep. they just his fer softly. you have to go poor through the harr cifs to get the truth. i hope the jury got enough of the truth. this is -- george zimmerman is looking at spending up to 30 years in prison. why should he be being put this? why does the media love tearing the country apart on race lines like this? >> sean: let me ask this question of our audience and take a quick poll here. how many of you in the audience think this case should not have been brought in the first place? >> how many think it should have been brought in four. what about the irregularities. the police bringing jeantel over to give her story in front of trayvon martin's

mother. >> right. and the father. we have two policemen who have testified that the father when he asked was asked was this your son, yelling for help? he said. no so, in order to get the correct answer, there is a meeting of the family members in the mayor's office with no law enforcement present. i mean, all of the irregularities here have been on one side. self-defense cases, i mean, i really disagree strongly that this case would have been brought. i think it's preposterous that it would have been dropped if the case were reversed. >> sean: the police chief said as much that all of the political pressure was brought to bear on him. >> look at the case i described in my column this week of -- you usually don't hear about legitimate self-defense cases because they are not brought to trial. you don't know how many cases like this there are. a few of them are kind of famous. one i remembered from one when i was a decade ago up here. a man in his home black man in his home in new york and

a mob of whites show up at the end of the driveway, they are yelling, screaming, like midnight. is he safely locked in his home and is he goes out to challenge the mob at the end of the driveway, there is a scuffle, the gun goes off, he ends up killing one of the white kids. and i can tell you, and can you see it now on the internet. the public opinion was solidly with the homeowner. because these were degeneral -- dejennifer -- degenrits looking for trouble. george zimmerman has much more recent memories of what nearly weekly, monthly robberies and burglaries in the -- i also really resent this attack on zimmerman as a wanna be cop? what being a wanna be thug is a better thing to be? that is the snobbery of the elites who live in nice

neighborhoods and don't have to worry about regular burglaries. these people did. as we saw, he was part of a neighborhood watch. yeah, he was following in the sense of being able to be able to tell the police where he was and, of course, yeah, it's not illegal. but, i mean, to be watching and the eyes and ears of the neighborhood and people are angry at him for that? what kind of society is this? >> sean: ann coulter. i appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. when we come back, we will turn things back over to our live studio audience of attorneys, experts and political analysts. by the way we always want to hear from you. join special companion site hannity live foxnews.com and join us on twitter at sean hannity. share your thoughts on the zimmerman trial what you think the verdict ought to be. hannity live at foxnews.com at sean hannity on twitter. we will continue. could save yo or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that.

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>> sean: welcome back to the special george zimmerman audience edition of hannity. i will give you my theory of what happened. i think that this was a tragedy. you have a lot of crimes in this neighborhood and george zimmerman is part of a community watch. he sees somebody he doesn't recognize walking near a home, thinks he is suspicious and i think he has a reasonable -- a reasonable thought is though says going into that. trayvon martin buying skittles. walking close to the house why? because it is raining pretty hard that night. there the two shall meet and there are questions we will never know. answers to questions we will never know like why did trayvon bunch george zimmerman and break his nose with that first shot? it became a tragedy but i don't think a crime, especially because of the position that the eyewitness puts trayvon on top of george zimmerman. how many of you think that's plausible? how many don't?

>> there is no broken nose. >> sean: it was banged up pretty bad. >> bloody nose. big bloody nose. punch nose kid. slawn sean go ahead. >> dr. testified it could have been broken and somebody could have put it back into place. >> that's the way you could have -- could have. but the only way you could tell if he had a broken nose is if he had an x-ray of the nose. [several talking at the same time] >> he certainly has a bloody nose but he is not a broken nose. and he doesn't have any significant injury to his head. >> sean: one at a time. >> i grew up in brooklyn tacopina. [ laughter ] >> i was in lots of fights. we had bloody noses. we had injuries on our head. this didn't require any stitches. it required band-aids. he didn't go to the hospital. the emts did an examination at the scene and found absolutely no evidence of

any brain injury. >> sean: what about the next punch? elbow would he see, the woman from her bed testified said quote the nose was very disfigured and we saw that picture. >> you asked at the beginning what do you think the verdict is going to be. murder, manslaughter, not guilty. i raised my hand for manslaughter not because of the evidence in this case or the law. if it case were decided on the evidence the facts presented and the law it's not a close call. this should be a not guilty within a minute. and by the way i have never seen more proof of that than that rebuttal summation by the prosecutor who stood up there and asked the jury to look into their hearts who told the jury that this kid was a child. 13 times. a child. i mean, that was an emotional pitch. when you have facts you don't apply emotional -- >> he wasn't a child. he was 17 years old. he was appealing to sympathies because he had no evidence. that's why. >> that's not what the law is. >> sean: deneen borelli, go

ahead. >> i wanted to make a point. this is a very tragic situation. my heart goes out to the parents. >> sean: i agree with you. >> this was a local issue that became a national front page story. we are hearing about this every day. these crimes happen all the time in cities across the country of all of races, all ages, especially young kids in chicago. why is this national headline news? i think it's because the national -- the liberal black establishment made it so. you had obama inserting himself, al sharpton, the new black panther party members. they made this an issue about race. in fact, this happens all the time across the country. david, go ahead. >> there is a very important point about what deneen is making here. same time in florida, trevor dual y.y a 69-year-old black man shoots a 41-year-old white man who is choking him and uses stand your ground law. that doesn't become a national case. once the race hucksters and the special interests god involved the special unit

which we have the foia request show they are down there facilitating rallies against zimmerman. joe madison, al sharpton, all of them, this takes it out of the local issue and out of a due process issue and that's where we get emotion involved. >> i disagree. you know who made this case about race? i say zimmerman when he made that statement those people. who was he talking about? >> no. [several jeering] >> what about crazy ass cracker? >> who said? zimmerman did not. >> sean: hang on. >> racial profiling there was racial profiling here. >> sean: prove it? >> there was no racial profiling here. >> you had the entire -- >> -- with the trials we may not always have direct evidence but it's circumstantial. >> you look at that comment. >> all right. finish your thought. >> when you look at the comment he made, those people and he referred to a holes always get away with

this. >> no. >> mercedes? >> you played the entire 911 tape and, when they asked what did he look like? zimmerman said i don't know. i mean, he started to say that he is white. he wasn't sure what color. >> he didn't know what color he was. >> he never mentioned color. he did not say it's some black kid. nothing like that. he was specific he says i'm not sure and then he started maybe white, black, but he was not saying black. >> if you want to note truth about the case. the moment that the prosecution asked for a compromised verdict, it was like a get smart moment. the whole trial is he evil. is he bad. is he a hunter. is he a vigilante. >> murderer. >> is he a murderer. if you don't believe that he broke the law. >> the prosecution. insulted the jury. >> this is not the way it works. prosecution the case for 17 years. homicides since 2001. i am not so overly confident even though i believe in my cases with everything in me, i never know what a jury is going to do. i believe that someone is

guilty, the right thing to do in my opinion is you give, excuse me, is you give. >> excuse me. you. >> once a homicide prosecutor. >> you give them the top. you never know what a jury is going to do. if you believe is he guilty of murder. then he is also guilty of manslaughter. because of the various issues in the case, there is nothing wrong with giving another. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. if you believe is he guilty of murder as a prosecution. you should not be arguing emotional arguments to a jury. this is not a game. you are the prosecutor. this is, no, no, no. stand up, joe. >> closing arguments for you. >> as a prosecutor, i have never heard a prosecutor ask a jury to look into their hearts. you don't ask that that's what the judge tells them. it's wrong though. it's wrong. it's wrong. that means they don't have the facts. >> that's not what he was doing. he used those words but his point was to talk about -- excuse me again. >> let her finish. >> he was talking about zimmerman's state of mind. he was saying what is in your heart and ultimately

means what is in your mind and that's what is important here. >> sean: trayvon's heart creepy ass cracker? that. >> is the way he was talking. [several talking at the same time] >> for joe to get on his feet and jumping up and saying you don't get emotional about. this you are talking about animus. you are talking about ill will. appropriate comment for closing. the most important point though. i think you will agree with me. finally i agree with dr. bae den compelling point. i don't agree with it george zimmerman said that trayvon martin was going for his gun. and he told you that. and there is no evidence to contradict it. >> that is uncontroverted. uncontradictory. >> i was a decoy cop. mugged 500 times. guys with knives and guns. if somebody is trying to get your gun and take your gun away. you have got it do what you have got it do. that goes into his mind at that point.

if this kid got ahold of that gun. this kid was going to shoot him. >> the quote to me that george zimmerman gave me, it wasn't my gun at that moment. it wasn't his gun. it was the gun. >> everybody? we will come back with our very low key studio audience and we will continue the special edition of hannity. goodnight. thanks, olivia. thank you. so you can make a payment from your cell

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>> sean: welcome back to this special live studio audience edition of hannity and of course, we are talking about the george zimmerman trial. a lot has been made about the fact that this is an all-woman jury. there are six women. what we know about them, the state tried, tried to strike two of them but they got on the jury. a lot of pet owners, i don't know if you noticed that number related to attorneys. either children or their husband number of them had guns in the home. a couple either they or family members have been victims of crime. what do you think? >> i like that composition. i thought it was strange initially that we this six women and no men on the jury. women make decisions. we do -- sometimes we act with our heart. >> sean: women make decisions. all right. [ laughter ] >> sean: my house they make all the decisions. i'm teasing. >> obviously pet owners and

compassionate. i think the key here for this jury is that most of them are mothers. my fear for the defense because i think the defense should get an acquittal here. my fear is that they are going to say to themselves this could have been my kid and compromise on the verdict. >> sean: yeah. >> go ahead. >> that goes both ways it could have been have been my kid who was trying to protect the people in his neighborhood it could have been my kid woman testified she was hiding in the bedroom protecting her children. one of the things. >> vs. guns. that talks about kids vs. adult. kid vs. man. >> the defense should have done was to look george zimmerman has parents. we don't know because of the media that he has a mother and a father. is he a husband. he was loved by members of his community. and that was important. >> here is something. it seems as if everyone through the coverage of this case is trying to put what he they would like to see come out of it. look at these women, they also have the ability to look at both sides. i have a lot of faith in women who will sit there and deliberate it and come out with a decision on the

facts. >> very thorough and organized. >> intelligent jury. it's different -- i'm not going to say -- in new york. if we had this case in new york. >> sean: what's burrow. >> i'm not going to say a brooklyn jury. i have been 10 dead, shot 10 children in the head and they gave him manslaughter because he was on crack cocaine. >> brooklyn a fair jury? do they have fair juries? absolutely they do. >> palm sunday massacre. 10 dead children. manslaughter. >> just one thing i want to say. >> a little more quiet. >> the one thing on this jury i want to say. this having tried so many cases where we have had protests literally outside the courthouse where the jurors are deliberating to. me that's the scariest part of this case for the defense that there is going to be a compromised verdict if they come back and say not guilty. this place is going to be a different world. i would have liked the defense to address it head

on. you need the courage. you need the courage. >> i hear how many agree with joe on this point. >> i agree 100%. >> that they are feeling the pressure because the country is watching? do you agree with that? >> 100%, definitely. i think about that all the time that this -- these jurors have an enormous amount of pressure because it's a big issue and in society they are looking at, okay, if this man is acquitted, i'm sure the jury is worried about oh my god, am i going to be to blame? if he is he convicted, are we going to upset people that feel he is -- >> -- very important, the howard beach case we were on the defense side. two of the kids in that came to to light during the trial pulled knives on the -- it came out not during the grand jury they lied in the grand jury but you had sharpton's fat butt there all day long slapping these kids going in and out security. they weren't convicted there. the' people were convicted on that mob.

>> sean: dr. bae den? >> i think that the sequestration of the jury changes a little bit and there is less pressure just like in the casey anthony case there was less pressure on the jury because they were sequestered. >> sean: tacopina saying -- >> -- when the bus is sequestered. >> they ear them outside. >> they hear the chants i hear today which is we want justice and that chant that goes -- you know -- >> over here. go ahead. yeah, go ahead. >> okay. but the point is the same jurors, their heads have to hit the pillow and if you they can go to sleep saying i sent someone away for the rest of his life just to calm racial tensions, no way. they'll do what's right. >> i think they'll take that responsibility seriously. >> very seriously. >> real quick. >> i have tried so many cases and i have such faith in the american people and in the jury system. they actually do take this to heart. they listen to everything. and they do not want to put someone in jail if they don't think it's justified.

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the system. big, big time. that's why it's important that you focused on the evidence. that's why it's important to focus on the evidence. color of skin should not be the issue here. the issue should be justifiable or not. whatever, whatever the outcome is, we will deal with it in this country. but to have a vision of race riots in the street, that's wrong. >> that's frightening. >> that's wrong. for some people and other networks to be pushing that notion, that's wrong. >> putting the thoughts out. >> that is wrong. >> anna, the irregularities, the fact that the political pressure is brought to bear, you're a prosecutor. you don't want that to be surrounding a case you're prosecuting, you do you? >> no, you don't. but it brings up feelings and emotions and this is a case that hit people very hard on both sides or somewhere in between. >> the race? >> for a lot of reasons. for a lot of reasons. race absolutely -- gun control came in to this. you know? younger kids, whether you

believe 17-year-old is a teenager or a child. people wanting to protect themselves. important things but you never want it the affect obviously criminal case and what i have to believe and what i do believe is even though with all the things swirling around and i believe mistakes were made, as a result, that ultimately a case was put together and brought based for reasons that case should bring, bring it to a jury. showed them the evidence or lack thereof and let them decide. >> al sharpton stays out of s are low. but let's hope he doesn't fan the flames of racism because he has a history of doing this. >> if these are two black men, we would not be talking about it here. and although miss coulter seems to think -- >> who pushed it, though? >> the issue that race is a part of our criminal justice system. we have incarcerated -- >> no, no. >> it is fundamentally part of

the criminal justice system. >> finish your thought. >> it is part of the criminal justice system. lock at the jails. i was just trying a case last week and the prosecutors call my client -- don't tell me that -- >> does it because somebody was close to a house in a neighborhood and didn't recognize him or profiled him a hispanic-american profiling an african-american? do you think that happened? do you think that happened? >> i can't personally say what happened. the bottom line though is that race does play a part of this system. and that people are -- >> go ahead. >> you know what the problem is? injecting this whole idea that race has to be a part of it. >> it is a part of it. >> the trevor dooly case, similar circumstances. he goes to work on monday. black on black crime in chicago. not brought up by you. here's the problem. the race hawksters in this are not in it for justice. they're in it for their own -- >> there's a -- sean, you

touched upon a great point. there's a false narrative out there and portrayed by the prosecution this is black versus white. zimmerman, he is very much latino. he can have whatever surname he wants. his mom is latino. w what's the issue? >> you're right but how does a self described hispanic -- >> it's absolutely offensive. >> what if he said that about the president? >> exactly. >> self described -- >> exactly. it is not fair. that's because the media is behind this, as well. >> a great president -- whacked. remember, abraham lincoln? >> yes, sir. >> we're all the same. you can't say black-white. it's the evidence of the case! and that's it. >> sean? >> last word. >> when lady justice is blindfolded, should be color blind. >> all right. you guys have been amazing. i think you really reflect how the country feels about this.

i want to thank you for -- i'll give you a hand for being here with us. and that is all the time we have left this evening. let not your heart be troubled. agr gretel is in orlando and coming to you live. >> it's up to the fate of six women. now in the hands of the six-woman jury and both sides getting one last chance to plead to the jury. >> the reality of what happened is very straightforward and it proves absolute innocence. >> do you think for a second that if trayvon martin had seen that gun ever there would be a gunshot at 90 degrees in the center of his chest? >> one piece of evidence, just one, just one i ask for, one that supports that contention. where is it? >> if that defendant had done only what he was supposed to do, see