. >> this is a fox news alert. we are live in sanford, florida. waiting for the verdict in the murder trial of george zimmerman. we are now outside the seminole county criminal justice center where the six women who make up the jury in the george zimmerman trial continue to deliberate. they are now in their 10th hour of the verdict t. jury could come down at any moment. when it does, we'll take you right to the courtroom.

phil keithing has been following this trial since the beginning, what are you feeling? what is going on here? >> they had yesterday afternoon to get an inventory list of all the questions. no questions since then. it got here at 9:00 in the morning. they took an hour of lunch break and noon to 1:00. they i have a deliberated a little bit in there. the court is not specifying. >> the court gave them permission to deliberate very much, right? >> you always think with the pressure of the deliberations and the intensity, they might want to deliberate a little less in that lunch hour, give them a little fresh air. >> what do you make of the fact that this jury at 6:00 last night, they had been sequestered for three weeks. why is it that they decide they don't want to deliver it the first full night? >> i would assume they felt it was not going to happen, you

unanimity. >> my take is they sleep on it. you are right, they didn't come back with a decision. >> nothing like early in the morning. they are on 10.5 hours now. it's entirely up to them how long they want to deliberate tonight as well as tomorrow. sunday, church, a couple of these jurors are religious. they like to attend weekly services. if they do deliberate and skip church, the court is arranging to have a pastor come by the hotel. >> really? is that how it will happen? >> they are in a sequestered location. sequestered jurors. that's what led me to think it was a faster, longer verdict, because they have been away from life for three weeks. >> so many people were saying this verdict is going to be a simple one. it was going to be a quick verdict. i have known for many, many years, can you never predict. i think what's unusual about this bill is there are six women. this is a women completely made

up of women. i have never seen that in 30 years. >> five white women. one has panic woman. that's based on the demographics of seminole county, the jury pool. it's only 12% african-american population. still even the defense knew or the prosecution knew it was probably unlikely there would be more than one. >> african-americans that statistically and proportionally it works. but in terms of the women and not just the jurors but the people standing outside the courthouse, what are you hearing from them and, by the way, just for our viewers. it doesn't appear there are more than 75 or 100 people right behind us, which is where the courthouse is. >> the majority of them are supporters of trayvon martin and they favor george zimmerman being found guilty of either second degree murder or manslaughter. smaller percentage over there are for george zimmerman,

feeling that he was politically prosecuted here. they think he was justified and used self-defense with his handgun that night in february of 2012. actually, you see over your right shoulder on the left of your screen, that big white sign, that says not guilty. two words, not guilty. >> a lot of people would say not guilty. phil keating. it's so good to see you. we will see you in the 9:00 hour as well. >> thank you. >> with me is former prosecutor tad nelson who joins us from houston and criminal defense attorney from atlanta. page, thanks for being with us this evening. we are outside the seminole county criminal justice center. the jury did to the come back and so many predicted that they would. what do you take from that, tad? >> you know, like you said, nobody knows. i mean, usually the longer it lasts, the worst, you know, the defense starts getting more and more nervous as the hours pass.

but, you know, this could be, any time, i've had juries stay out for days, they could be hung out 5-1 for not guilty right now and they're trying to move this one person. the bottom line is, no, no, we don't have a clue. >> obviously, we're trying to read the tea leaves, guys. tad, quickly before i go to paej, have you ever seen a jury made completely of women, tad? >> never, i seen 5 and 1, never 6 and 06789 it's wild. >> neither have i, i have been a prosecutor, a judge, never seen it. what do you think is going only in that jury bviously, none of for a fact what's going on. i never anticipated they would come back with a quick verdict. >> really? >> even if they sit there, absolutely, they have too much respect for the process. these folks are people. they know the world is watch him. they know martin's family has been in the courtroom every day. they want to make sure that people know they took their time with this case.

so there possibly could be a verdict by the end of the day today, but i wouldn't expect it. >> all right. guys, let me ask you some general questions here. how do you think the prosecution did, tad, starting with you? you know, were they overly emotional with the summation? were they overly emotional when trying their direct case? tad, you are the prosecutor. you tell me. >> you know, i give them kudos. i thought they knocked it out of the park. i don't think they're going to win. i really don't. but with the facts they've had, john guy off the cane great. bernie de la rionda fabulous. i thought they had the right amount of emotions. they had a weak case. they had to keep pounding and pounding and pounding and they did. john guy, when he tied it up, the rebuttal closed, beautiful. he couldn't have done any better. he's still going to lose, he couldn't have done any better. >> paige, what do you think? i'll give you the defense, how do you think mark o'mara did?

john west obviously had his problems with the judge. as a former judge, i don't like defense o fighting with me or the prosecutors. how do you think the defense did here? >> i think it was certainly great strategy not to use mr. west. no more knock-knock jokes. didn't work. >> that was horrible. >> it was. it was important for the defense, though, to step up and go back and talk about the law and talk about reasonable doubt. leave the emotion out of it. remind the jurors at the end of the day, they're going to be instructed be i the judge they have to apply these statutes. so the drier you are for the defense in this case, the less you focus on emotion, the better chance you have of a not guilty verdict. >> all right. gentleman, stay with us. joining us is jeff gold right now, who has been in the courthouse for the last three weeks, but, we'll have much more when we come back after the break on the george zimmerman jury trial.

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this is the waiting list. there are a lot of people on that list, yeah. home. dignity. family. independence. home. . >> i don't want to have the jury sit out there and wait like they did today. we will be in recess at 8:00 in the morning. and so have i. >> i have not been able to compare or get my witnesses gathered tomorrow. i can't do it tonight. we aren't physically able to keep up this pace. it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day. weekend depositions at night. >> you've just witnessed some of the tension between the judge and especially the defense attorneys in the george

zimmerman trial as we wait outside the seminole county criminal justice center waiting for the verdict. we continue with our discussion with attorneys jeff gold, who is joining us, who has been following the triechllet talk about the judge, very quickly. was the judge out of line? did she favor the prosecution? >> i tell you one, at that one part. i know you and i disagree t. judge said the defense case was over, george zimmerman, are you going to testify? she was out of line. every trial in america the judge has to wait for the end of it. i don't care cease a judge. it's the defendant. it's the defendant's right that is supreme. not the judge's right. >> let me explain something to the viewers from a judge, herself. the bottom lean is this judge was basically saying, jeff, do you need more time to make a decision? you got to sequest the jury. they have been waiting three weeks. they want to get home. the defense said they were going to wrap that day. she had a right to inquire as to

whether or not they'd be adding more testimony and, by the way, if there is a reversal of the conviction on the incompetence of counsel, at least we can say the judge is the one who voir dired the defendant and said, do you want to testify? do you need more time to make the decision. but let's move on. because that's how i feel. all right. now, tad nelson, i'm going to go to you. do you think the judge favored the prosecution here? >> no. overall, judge, i don't. but i'll tell you, i'll tell you the one thing. i think don west, some of her arguments with mr. west were a little bit, you know, over the top. i think a couple times he stood up when he probably shouldn't have. but she liked beating him down. by the end of the trial, i think she really enjoyed beating him down. judge, i'm sure you had somebody in your court who annoyed the tar out of you. you get that chance to beat him down. that's what she did with don. she just gave it to him. >> well, you know, i have to tell you, if a judge stands up

and is ready to leave the courthouse because the objection has already been made and she's ruled on it, you don't have to stand there, you know, until the cows come home, you know, waiting for the defense to finish. she has already finished. she's ruled. let's move on to paige, do you think the judge favored the prosecution? >> i really don't. i think the judge has been fair in almost haul of her rulings, really all of her rulings. it has important for everyone in the case she has moved the case along. she's let both parties have their side. she's given them time to make their argusq'ts, but she moves the case along. >> you know and i'll tell you, the fact that there are six women on this jury, let's talk about what you think the implication of that is. >> yes, it really is an interesting thing. first there is six rather than 12. if there would have been 12, there certainly wouldn't be 12 women. just by florida cutting it down to six. >> we have six women. what does that mean to you?

>> let's be very stereotypical as men. >> you are. >> the average woman is not as confront of theational as a man. i wonder if they confronted each other with their differences. >> could that be the reason the defense was so happy to have six women on the jury, the defense seemed even happier than the prosecution, that women historically are maybe not selected for murder cases because of the enormity, the weightiness. >> i originally questioned that, the idea that this was so great. because they're moms. you noticed that john guy appealed to moms at the end. >> who just said i don't buy that? >> i don't buy it, judge. i'll tell you why. i think o'mara, he's painting this normal rockwell painting, which he's done a great job. but every time, he's given press conference every night. the minute he leaves the courtroom, he goes to cnn.

so every night he's talking to somebody. he keeps saying everything is going great. i honestly don't believe he doesn't want a guy on there. guys understand confrontation. just like you said, judge, a lot better than women do. to stand up for yourself, not give any ground a. woman is smart enough to go, hey, walk away from that nonsense, where a man will say, hey, you know, i got to fight. but a woman won't do that, a woman is smarter than a man. >> well, you know what, let's just say it depends on the woman, it depends on the man, but, page, i'm going to end it with you. this jury, do you think that they will render a unanimous verdict or do you think the time has passed and some indication that there is some tension in there, maybe a hung jury is coming? >> not necessarily. i think it's very likely we're going to get a unanimous verdict. you know, there are six people in this jury box, not 12. that's a big point. they have been sequestered together. i bet right now they're fairly close and they realize that this is a very important case.

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. >> we are in sanford waiting for the verdict. as soon as that happens, we will take you right to the courtroom. joining me now is former police detective ted williams.

thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. >> you have been here all day as i have since early this morning, what are you feeling? what is going on? what is your sense of the community behind us? >> i'm deeply concerned. you have two sides of the community out there, one, supporting zimmerman. then you have another side that want to see zimmerman found guilty and i'm very concernedant them merging together. they are very vociferous. >> what's interesting, ted, i watched them since yesterday. they don't to be more at odds with each other. it's a scenario, they are peaceful, we're for zimmerman. we're for trayvon martin. have you experienced any tension? >> i have been here the last five days. i can tell you, i have seen some tension. i can see what i intend to believe is that the tension is going to build up and according to who win or lose, that will be where the tension rises. >> you are an attorney as well as a homicide detective.

have you ever seen law enforcement take out a public service announcement basically saying, we don't want to have a problem, have you ever seen that, ted? >> in all of my days as a lawyer and as a detective, i never seen this i mean. >> for years? a prosecutor, a judge, a da, i have never seen anyone preemptively say you got to be calm, you got to be careful here, especially given the fact that they are so low key. but in any event, ted, earlier today, you had a chance to go for the the scene of the confrontation between george zimmerman and trayvon martin with one of zimmerman's friends, a guy by the name of frank cappy. let's take a look at this package. >> yes. this is where an altercation took place right here? >> this is where the initial punch according to jurors took place right here. >> right. >> then as it progressed, as the fight progressed, it moved down the sidewalk here, to eventually where the spot is between that

sec sprinkler up here. >> right in here? >> yeah. >> where was trayvon's yesterday on which portion of the concrete this. >> you mean george. >> george's head at one stage was on some portion of the concrete? >> yeah, right here, his body was at an angle here. the head positioning was here. >> right. >> that's why if you look at the -- >> and trayvon was hitting george's head into the may have beenment into the concrete? >> if you notice, ted, the lacerations line upper physically with a crease that goes across here. on a flat surface, it would have been more of a flat bruise, if you see here the concrete aligns to it. it lines upper nextly to the back of where george's head was -- >> it is very dark here? >> it sure was. do you know where zimmerman his gun? >> yeah, he kept it right back here. >> you know there has been a big controversy as to how he was able to get to his gun, if, in

fact, he was down on the ground and trayvon was on top of him and he had his gun back here, how do you think it happened? >> well, you know, there was a lot of movement here. it wasn't a static situation. you know if you are in a fight, nothing is still as it was portrayed in the courtroom. it was far remote from that. the body movement and it shifted. it could have shifted. the holsters will move with the band. >> now, there is controversy about whether trayvon actually was reaching for the gun or he actually touched the gun. what do you know? >> i believe when he saw the gun i think he was reaching for it. i don't believe he ever touched it. that was only told in osterman's book. >> how do you think they explained the fact that trayvon was supposedly on top of him covering his mouth and his mouth was bleeding and that there is no blood found on trayvon's hands? >> that's a good point the medical person says the hands were wrapped in plastic instead of paper. so we have a contamil nation

issue here. secondly, it was raining out that night. blood when he spread his hands out, think about that, when he spread it out, whatever blood was on there could have been lost in the wet grass. we are talking saturation here. >> there is other controversy that some say zimmerman got on top of trayvon and he had his handbred spread out. there is controversy some inconsistency his hands were foundp on this body. >> no controversy. from here, to do away with that. >> okay. >> we have a tipping called auto reflex f. i punch you in the gurkts where does your hands go? in that area? >> i shoot you in the chest, that's an excessive amount of pain. if you listen to the medical examiner, one to three minutes. he didn't get shot in the vocal chord. >> right. >> there was enough air in his brain that he can say, he got me. he spread his hands out, he was still alive at that time.

>> all right. ted, clearly, a friend of george zimmerman. i think one of the things that became eminently clear to me had to do with the fact that the concrete where it's joined or butted up against the grass is what they were talking about in terms of the line in the back of his head. but let's talk about the hands being out again. zimmerman says he takes the hands out, is that correct? >> zimmerman says he takes the hands out and then he gets on top of trayvon, because he's very concerned about what trayvon is going to do with his hands. so it's somewhat mystifying as to now how trayvon's hands got up under his body. >> right. when the investigators came, when the et came, trayvon's hands are under his body. >> right. remember dr. dimaio fefd in this case. >> we have to run. we'll take a hard wrap. stay with us, ted. when we come back, a lawyer for trayvon martin's family is here

to respond to this scenario he just saw. we'll be right back. agr

agree. >> we are live outside the sell nom county courthouse. joining me now is darryl parks, the earn r attorney for trayvon martin's family. still with me is former police detective darryl williams. all right. you had a chance to see that video, how do you respond to it? i assume you are going to take issue with many of the things that george zimmerman's friend said. >> yes, judge. several issues. first, there is no evidence of any blood was found on the sidewalk from where frank cappy alleges that we talk about the

reenactment, he talks about the gun on the rear part of his waistband. >> darryl, i'm going to interrupt you, hang on one second. i want to get to the gun. i want to ask you a question. how do you think zimmerman got those injuries to the back of his head? because, clearly, he had injuries. what do you think happened there? >> well, i think several things happened. number one, we know that they were involved in a very, very aggressive interaction. tussleing, wrestling. maybe some fists to head combat. maybe at some point they did touch the concrete. however, they have tried to build a theory there was some bad ground and pound situation. i really do not believe that happened. we know we have mr. good's testimony. he talks about a downward action. he does not describe the wailing

of punches the dchs tried in the opening statement. so good testimony is good for the prosecution as well. >> okay. let's go to the gun, darm him you started going there, i do not understand. i dil still do not understand if george zimmerman had that gun behind his, in the back of him, how is it that if he's being beaten that trayvon can reach for it if he's literally on top of it? >> that's why really the prosecution is going to win this case, judge. some of the stuff george zimmerman attempted to put forward are physically not possible. you heard the prosecution talk about this in this closing argument. hopefully the jury will say if you listen to what they say about george zimmerman saying that if trayvon is on top, his legs being up in the armpits of george zimmerman, that would mean he's totally focused on the

upward part of the body, thus, all the stuff that george said would be totally false. so i believe this jury, once they believe the evidence, they will clearly see in the course of this case, we clearly saw how they focused on that dummy in there. every time they would pull it out, they will focus on it. i believe they will use that part of the teary to dispel some of the untruths here. >> okay. tad, do you agree with him? >> for the most part, i definitely agree with darryl. one of the key things in this case, judge, that nobody has been able to explain to my satisfaction is that you punch the guy zimmerman in the face and there is blood all over his face. you take your hand and you cover that face that they von was supposed to have and there is no now any blood there, frank said it could have been washed away, it didn't cover his hands. you could not wash the dna away. i don't know how you do it. >> the other piece is under the fingernails, if there was that

bad a fight and so there is no blood on trayvon's hands, nothing under his fingernails, darryl, i will go back to you. how did the family, trayvon's family react to the summation? what was it like for them when the defense summed up? >> well, the defense summation was, you know, very interesting. because they were attacked in so many different ways. trayvon was mischaracterized in so many different ways. the image they tried to betray of him is certainly something i didn't agree with. tore whatever reason, the defense decided it was necessary for trayvon appear to be some young black thug in order for them to have a chance to win this case. >> well, you know, i'm going to tell you one thing, darryl, i think that trayvon's mother and father held themselves with the utmost dignitary throughout the course of this trial and the whole process and they are to be commended for that. at the end of the day, you know,

good forbid, anything happen to any of our children has happened to trayvon, 17-year-old, who was dead, i don't know if i would have been as restrained and as classy, i must tell you as they were. so, darryl parks, i want to thank you for being with us this evening and ted as well. >> sure. my pleasure. all right, guys. still with me are former prosecutor ted nelson and fred page. they are tril still behind us in front of the courthouse, i should say. what did you think, tad, of that video and what zimmerman's friend was saying? did any of that make sense to you? >> well, you got to take everything, judge, with a grain of salt here. i have never, you know, in my life seen a case that's so polarized. you look at everybody, even to the people that talk to you guys on television, the lawyers, i mean, depending on the you are a white lawyer or an african-american lawyer, it all

depend, the lines are so crazy drawn. i think i'm a liberal from texas. you know, i think it's not guilty. i want to question myself. do i have cognitive bias that i'm a white person, am i thinking this is a not guilty? you you know, everybody says something based on where they're coming from. it's so hard. we can't find maybe one or two people. >>, it's what he says makes perfect sense. i think that so many people come to this case with their own preconceived notions, more than in normal cases that the sides are based not on the fact or justice but basically on what they believe, what their perception is of the system and of people and of profileing on both sides. am i right or wrong? >> well, you are certainly rights judge, as far as the public is concerned. i think in this case the jury has been paying very careful attention. the judge has instructed them. they seem to want to do a good

job. judges, i'm sure, once you put people in that box, they change. i think they take the job seriously. they try to put those preconceived notions and perception to the side and evaluate the evidence and the law. i think so far based on the way they paid attention, they will do the same thing in the jury room. >> you know, i have to tell you, my experience as a judge and talking to jurors after they return verdicts or, you know, acquittals, they really take great pains. they take their jobs seriously. and in a way, i'm glad the verdict hasn't come back already. i think the public needs to know they are looking at everything and being as thorough as possible and anyway, i want to thank you tad nelson as well as page for joining us. tad williams. stay with us. we'll be right back with more from sanford, florida. the verdict could come down at any second. we are outside in front of that courthouse waiting. stay with us.

. >> i will submit to you even in silence, his body by evidence admits the defendant's guilt. why do i say that? because from dna, lack of blood, other stuff, his body speaks to

you and even in death that and that this defendant is lying about what happened. >> we are back live from sanford, florida, awaiting the jury's verdict in the george zimmerman murder trial. forensic evidence played a key role in testimony over the past week. but did it help the defense or did it help the prosecution? we will ask famed forensic pathologist who joins us from new york city, dr. bodin, thanks for being with us. you heard the testimony of dr. vincent demaio. >> i did. >> as to the wound of trayvon martin. many felt his testimony turned the case. in his description of where trayvon was and where vermillion was at the time the gunshot wound to the chest or the heart occurred. what do you think? >> is only so up you can tell

from the distance the muzzle is from the body at the time of discharge because it's a body that's movable. he said clearly, everybody heard, that the trajectory of the bullet was consistent with trayvon being on top. but then on cross examination, a lot of people didn't hear, but he equally said on cross examination that was also consistent with zimmerman being on top. i don't think the forensic evidence tells you the positions of the body except for the relativity of the weapon four inches away at the time of discharge and in that regard. >> it's interesting, yes, what's interesting is that dr. bao i believe a medical examiner estimated the gunshot occurred

it happened an inch to 4-feet from trayvon martin. >> yeah. >> so there with is no objective criteria by which to exactly determine how close he was. is the shoothd shooting consistent with the two of them standing and facing each other when the gunshot occurs? >> yes, they could have been standing at each other. clearly, dr. demaio's estimate of two-to-four inches is consistent with the stippling on the gun and dr. demaio stretching that to four-feet is not consistent with the findings. but it's consistent with it being standing or lying, lying down. >> all right. you know, doctor, it wouldn't have been the first time that dr. bao was contradicted. he contradicted himself many times in his own testimony. i mean, you've testified in very famous homicide cases. i mean, don't you usually read notes of what you said before so you don't contradict yourself?

>> what dr. bao says every time he does an autopsy, his opinions can change. that's all right for a student. it's not all right for somebody who has been testifying for five years that every time he reads something, his opinions change and i think that and his argueing with the judge and argueing with the lawyers is not the way experts are supposed to testify. so i think he has a lot to be taught about how to properly testify and his opinions have to be more consistent with what's in textbooks. he, every time he read something, he changed his mind. but -- >> let me ask you, doctor, sure. >> yeah, one of the things also that demaio, that's important on the medical, is the head injuries we talked about. and he was examined medically, mr. zimmerman, at the scene by emts, later by doctors and there

was absolutely no evidence that he suffered any kind of brain damage. he had just trivial injuries and the same with the nose. >> dr. dr. badin, will we ever know if george zimmerman's nose was broken, given fact that somebody put a bandage on the back of his head? he has all his faculties, she walking into the police station, he is conversing. there is no x radon of his nodes. . he doesn't go to the hospital. is there an examination as to whether george zimmerman's nose is broken? >> sure. he can go into the hospital now. if he has a healed fracture of the nose, that can show up on x-raies. it isn't that he wasn't asked. he didn't want to go. nobody thought it was sufficiently important i think it's speculation. an x-ray even now can help to determine that. >> that's my point, doctor, i'm going to bring in the lawyers

again, we got our legal team. guys, look, if you've got a guy who was charged with murder, who has a defense of self-defense, wouldn't you send him to the hospital now to see if, indeed, he did have a fracture, even though it's a year later or more than that? because it would show as dr. badin would say a healed fracture. start with you, tad? >> well, judge, how do you know they didn't? that's just it. i use experts every day. >> tad, if they did and it worked to their advantage, they would have told us. >> exactly. but what if it didn't work to their advantage? what if they sent him to their private doctor? that's why it got thrown into file 13. exactly. these guys have left very few is undotted and ts uncrossed. i can assure you if there was evidence that said he had a

broken nose we would have heard it in the last three weeks. tells me it wasn't broken. >> the doctor said if the cartilage was popped out and popped back in. so it's not a fracture. >> who popped it back in? >> the emt. >> is that what wha he said. >> the emt. but the fact of the matter, look at those pictures with his black nose and black eyes. come on, there was an injury to his nose. you can see it. it's as plain as the nose on his face. >> page hit it. i think you are shaking your head. >> right, if i'm the defense attorney in this case, i am not going to check into the extent of these injuries. you don't need injury tofs a self-defense claim the more you make that an issue the more the prosecution can rebut you and say, look the injuries around at that time bad. he has injuries. you don't need injuries to argue self-defense. >> you are a very good defense attorney, page, i'll tell you why, that is absolutely the case. it was whether or not he was

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this is the fox news alert. the media has been asked to go to the courtroom. no word yet on why. and i might also add that within the last five minutes there was an altercation behind us, in front of the seminole county justice center where the sheriff's deputies were called.

each side was asked to tone it down, they were asked to stay there and not have any problems with each other. everyone agreed, there was no physical altercation. i'm hearing now that maybe the jury has a question. and we will certainly keep you in the loop on that. i'm back with my attorneys. i'm going to give you each 30 seconds, and, you know, as we close this hour before we do justice at 9:00, what do you think is going on in that courtroom right now. >> the longer we go on, the more speculation is that that question might be about a hung jury. that's just what happens as we sit here and wait. the tensions are building out here, they may be building in the courtroom too. that's what we worry about. >> what are your thoughts now as we come to the close here. >> i honestly thought we'd have a verdict before i came on your show today. it's a tough case, there's a lot of emotion, the prosecutor did a wonderful job of using all the

buzz words. they've thrown enough of a monkey wrench in it to make reasonable doubt, even though it's out there to make it hard for the jury to find it. it's going to be a long, long today. verdict tonight. >> interesting, you think verdict tonight? >> tonight. >> okay. and page your thoughts? >> what we don't know here is whether we have several jurors with a question or only one. you know, many times a jury will come back and ask the judge to go over something again or explain one particular point simply to mullify that undecided juror. i think it's way too early to declare this a hung jury. >> interesting. >> finally, jeff, if there is a hung jury, what do you think the judge is going to do? >> you know better than i, that 90% of the time the judge is going to send the jurors back

with a dynamite charge. the judge is going to try to make the log jam, i want you to try to reach a unanimous verdict at least one more try. you. >> both agree with that, right? >> that's what i would do. >> i tell them, get right back in that deliberation room and keep duking it out, and by the way, there are only six of you, it's not like 12 of you have to agree. >> right. i do think. >> go ahead. >> i do think the judge will probably inquire if they're making progress. >> all right. and you know, for the you'res, as i sit here in front of the seminole county criminal justice certainer. all of a sudden we're hearing the helicopters again, there's a lot more excitement. something's going on, there was an altercation behind me between the two sides and now we know that they've all been called back into the courtroom, into

the courthouse because the jury has a question. the issue, of course, is have they reached some kind of a problem where they're going to ask about whether or not they can end it? or do they want or have a particular question or is there a juror that's just holding out and wants something answered. we sit here and try to figure out and read the tea leaves. >> that's what it is. in a way, you'll want a question, you don't want a hung jury. what are they stuck on. >> maybe. >> what is the issue? the alternative to that is that they're hung. >> what's interesting to me, guys, is the fact that there has been no additional request for testimony, no additional request to look at evidence. all they ask for is an inventory list of evidence. i know from 30 years, generally they'll say, can we look at

this, can we look at that, there's none of that. and they haven't asked for the judge's instructions, but, of course, i know they got those in writing. >> let's listen in to the judge. the lawyers are talking to the judge. zimmerman is in the courtroom. i suspect the judge is reading the note that the jurors have handed her, discussing it with the attorneys, which is the process every time there is a jury questioned. as you can see, the courtroom is full. they're all back in the courtroom. i'm sure that both sides are very, very nervous right now. and just for the viewers, you

cannot imagine the tension waiting for a verdict, especially in a murder case. and the crowds are getting a little bigger here, more people are showing up behind me, as i sit in front of the seminole county criminal justice center. again, the attorneys at sidebar with judge nelson. a note from the jury obviously being discussed by all parties, which is it very much the case any time the jury has been asked a question. now, of course, the media is asked to go to the courtroom. okay, i'm getting information right now. right now, the information that i have is that the jurors have asked for a clarification on instructions regarding manslaughter. ladies and gentlemen, this jury wants to know more about manslaughter. so all of the tea leaf reading about how this is going to be

quick is wrong. they are now focused on manslaught manslaughter. now, understand they would not be on manslaughter unless they already passed murder in the second degree. and what that tells me is, they are now deciding whether zimmerman is guilty of manslaught manslaughter. okay, i'm listening to right now -- i'm going to keep going on this. the issue of manslaughter and whether or not there is sufficient evidence to convict zimmerman, very much depends on how the judge charges the jury. the issue, of course, is whether or not this jury believes that the prosecution has proved beyond a reasonable doubt to the unanimous agreement of every one of those six jurors, that a manslaughter was committed and that the prosecution has

disproved beyond a reasonable doubt the self-defense. all right. right now we're going to turn this over to rick. we'll see you at 9:00 tonight. come back. a fox news alert, as you've just heard from judge janine, we've learned the court has reconvened in the george zimmerman murder trial where a verdict could come later on tonight. maybe at any moment. welcome to a brand new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> both sides of this case awaiting anxiously. to find out whether the former neighborhood watch volunteer abili abilitied in self-defense. we go to our new york newsroom where greg jarrett is standing