in it. but our system, with all of its flaws, is still the best system on earth, and i wouldn't trade it for anything. the verdict watch continues. next with judge jeanine from new york. goodnight. the power is enormous. the process overwhelming, the consequences dire. it is the decision to engage and put into motion the criminal justice system, the decision to charge someone with a crime, the decision to put everything about the accused at risk, their reputation, their livelihood, and the one who makes the decision, who carries the ultimate power, the district attorney, the chief prosecutor. hello and welcome to justice. i'm judge jeanine pirro. thanks for being with us.

tonight as we await the verdict in the george zimmerman case, the nation grapples with the difficult issues played out in that small courtroom in the seminole county courthouse just behind me. struggling with the arguments of self defense, profiling, and now manslaughter. the duty of a prosecutor is not merely to convict, but to seek justice. the duty of a prosecutor is to be fair and objective to both sides. the duty of a prosecutor is to follow the law. the job is a weighty one. it is a difficult one, but it becomes even more problematic when public pressure becomes part of the equation. it's a problem every elected prosecutor encounters. i know. i've faced the public outrage of unpopular prosecute i don't oral decisions. any prosecutor worth his or her

salt knows politics ends on election night and have no place in the courthouse and should be abandoned on the courthouse steps. the job is about the law and the fajts, nothinfacts, nothing morg less. the obligation to bring charges and engage the system only where the prosecutor believes the case can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to the unanimous satisfaction of the entire jury, and the question of whether the indictment of george zimmerman was a ca pitch lation of public pressure by the governor and the state's attorney assigned as a special prosecutor is one yet to be decided. while six women deliberate in a jury room in that courthouse directly behind me, we wait for the ultimate answer to the question. was this charge justified based on the law and the facts? coming up later in the show, we're going to speak with state's attorney james glasgow,

the state's attorney from illinois who was voted out of office because he refused to prosecute a man, it turns out an innocent man. but first, phil keating is with me this evening. he's been following the trial. phil, there's a lot of noise out there right now. what's going on, do you know? >> reporter: we've got 150, 200 people. it's saturday night. there's a sense that maybe a verdict is going to come down here in the next couple of hours because the jurors have decided not to go back to their secret hotel and pick things back up for deliberations on day three tomorrow. >> you know, it's interesting you say that. last night at 6:00 the jury said we want to go back to the hotel. now, the jury obviously having been is he quested for three weeks, and now they're working. >> a lot of us thought they would go late friday night as well because of the whole sequester issue. the sense is they had a question about manslaughter. how the jury instructions words, how manslaughter is applicable

to what the evidence and testimony and facts of this case show the jurors. the judge said the question is too vague, ask us something more specific. maybe the court can then instruct you better. we have yet to hear back from the jury a more refined question about the manslaughter charge. >> so the judge says tell us what especiall specifically youd that was like two hours ago, wasn't it, phil? >> we were expecting a pretty fast retort from the jury. we're talking specifically about the fourth line in the third paragraph on page x, you know. they haven't done that yet. what it does tell us is that this jury is seriously considering. >> ma manslaughter. >> convicting george zimmerman of manslaughter. >> and that's something most people thought wasn't even a possibility. >> the prosecutors got it in thursday morning when they were arguing over what lesser offenses to include in the jury instructions. it had just been second degree murder and the defense of zimmerman wanted that, all or nothing. second degree murder or you acquit him of everything. this is why george zimmerman's

father, his mother, his wife, their demeanor inside the courtroom tonight, very somber, very serious. >> no doubt. >> because manslaughter, while a lesser charge, with a gun, that still puts zimmerman potentially serving 50 oserving 15 or 20 yea florida prison. >> as i said to a jury many times, the sentence of a defendant is not something that you can consider, and i'm sure they don't know that there is an enhancement on this manslaughter charge, but it appears, though, that murder 2 is off the table. >> i think so. that they've moved down to manslaughter. i'm going to ask the lawyers when they join us about what that tells them. what does it tell you, phil? >> it tells me that the threshold for second degree murder clearly wasn't fitting with the brains of the jurors. manslaughter is certainly more room to fit the facts of what they heard over the past three weeks, fit that into an applicable charge, but it's also very important to say this jury still has the option of not guilty, and they still may find

him not guilty across the board. >> right. we don't know as we look at, you know, the women who were making the decision this evening as to whether or not many of them have a question or whether one person is a holdout in which case there's possibly a hung jury, but then they'd come back and the judge would order them to get back to work, right, phil? >> in the words of judge nelson, the jury is driving this train. they can deliberate as long as they want. they're deliberating through their dinner break and probably their lunch break earlier today as well, so if we see a verdict tonight, it's going to happen in the next couple hours or we're coming back tomorrow. >> right. phil, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> we may be seeing more of you throughout the hour. much more on the george zimmerman murder trial. we're live for the hour from sanford, florida outside the seminole county criminal justice center. stay with us. could save you fifteen percent

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>> they should be righted to prove it if they can. if they cain prove it, then that is the failing of the prosecution. had they wanted to charge him with manslaughter instead because they think that's a better chance under their theory of prosecution, whatever it may actually be since we haven't heard it yet, they could do that, but we object. we want this to go to the jury on second degree murder only. >> judge jeanine: tonight the jury asking for clarification on that manslaughter charge. the six women are clearly considering manslaughter now. i'm joined now by defense attorney jeff gold and former prosecutor courtney piltzman who joins us from irvine. we now know the jury has come back, and the judge said to them what specifically do you want to know about manslaughter? that was a couple of hours ago. now, jeff, they have not

responded specifically what it is they want. what does that tell you? >> they might be afraid of the judge. the judge has been a little stern to some of the lawyers. look. let's talk about what this means. could they reach manslaughter? well, if they find no ill will, that takes out second degree. >> i'm going to assume -- excuse me, jeff. i'm going to assume that murder 2 is off the table, that the jury is going down the list as they would do in most cases and they've taken off murder 2 whether it's because of self defense or ill will, and they're moving down to manslaughter. courtney, would you agree with that? murder 2 is off the table? >> absolutely. i totally agree with you. >> judge jeanine: i didn't hear what she said. >> yes. absolutely, judge. i totally agree. i think they put that aside. i think they're focusing -- i think what they're trying to do is hold george zimmerman responsible for something. i mean, contrary to what mark o'mara argued in his closing, george zimmerman is not an

innocent man. i think we can all agree because of his conduct, we are here today discussing the tragic death of trayvon martin, so i think that what they're trying to do, what they're trying to figure out, if there's a way in which they can hold him legally responsible, and they're struggling with that. >> judge jeanine: okay. jeff, what do you think? >> what i was going to say if you take out ill will, that takes out second degree. if you take out self defense, that leaves you with manslaughter. there's a way they can say manslaughter. i'm not predicting that. on the other hand, they may be confused by this archaic manslaughter law. >> to prove the crime of manslaughter, the state must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt. trayvotrayvon is dead and george zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of trayvon martin. he cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negativ negligent act ore killing was justified. >> it goes on further, if you read. >> yes. >> to talk about what the justification might be.

heat of passion, prov provocati. if they find that this killing was sufficient provocation, then it was in self defense. >> right. >> isn't it a fact that at that point he's got to be reasonable in his assumption that there is imminent death. >> they had to prove this. >> jeff, it's almost like it is a compromised verdict and it's almost inconsistent. if they come up second degree murder, then they pretty much agree that there was some sort of self defense. that's going to then apply to the manslaughter charge. >> no, no. courtney, they could have made the decision that there was no ill will and that's what took it off of murder. the question is maybe it was self defense, but they would have known. if there's self defense for murder, there's self defense for manslaughter, correct? >> that's exactly right. no ill will takes out second. you say there's also no self defense. you can get to manslaughter. i think they're working all night. they're working on whether it's going to be manslaughter. i certainly don't think this means a conviction. it could mean an acquittal.

>> courtney, go ahead. >> i was going to say i think that was the biggest problem with the prosecution's closing argument. they failed to articulate what facts applied to what part of the law. nobody really explained to them the law. i think that's what they're struggling with. i've gone through these jury instructions, and they're very, very simplified compared to what we have here in california. so you know, the fact that didn't, you know, respond to the judge's note doesn't surprise me. there are two elements, really. i truly believe that these ladies are thinking about how could george zimmerman not be responsible somehow, somehow for the death of trayvon martin. >> have you ever seen a jury of completely women with, courtney? >> never. i was really surprised to see they were all women, and frankly, i think that was probably the smartest move the prosecution has made to date. >> okay. in other words, if they would have sympathy for the victim? >> i think that -- i think it's keeping -- i'm not saying that

we're not confrontational because we can be. the point i'm trying to make is even those 9-1-1 callers, the women were staying back and staying home. we don't typically go out and seek danger. where as the men, mr. good, and jeremy, the caller's boyfriend, they were trying to venture out. women are not going to understand why george zimmerman was following trayvon martin to the extent he was. why didn't he retreat from that situation. >> courtney, the interesting thing i is is, as you well know, in any homicide case, one person is dead, generally the only other witness to what happened, and the other one is the accused. jeff, given that scenario, i mean, it's true that he could say that train 2r5eu von was trg him. maybe trayvon was running from him. >> i said in the beginning when others said it was a slam dunk for the prosecutor or for the defense that they were all

women, i said watch out for the fact that there are five moms on this jury. sure enough, the prosecutor honed in his rebuttal on the child in the dark being followed by a stranger. >> right. >> tugging on their heart strings. >> the judge didn't allow for that child abuse in a murder charge. courtney, having said that, do you think that the defense felt that maybe all of these women, you know, would not be inclined to render a verdict as significant and as tough and as long lastin lasting as a verdicf guilty in a case like this? >> thoot that's a great questio. i did hear mark o'mara be interviewed. he objected during the voir dire process that the prosecutor was systematically getting rid of women. he objected and he said in his enteinterview that the judge agd with him so they had to stop kicking off women. i thought that was really interesting. i'm surprised he didn't allow them to keep kicking off as many women as they wanted so they

could have some men on the jury. that was shoc shocking to me. >> all right. so it appears that each side wanted women, jeff? >> no. they were really focused on more about guns than they were about women. >> and many of these women jurors have guns. >> that's exactly why -- that's exactly why they thought that, you know. >> all right. >> yeah. the case centers on gun as well. anyw, jeff gold and courtney piltzer, thanks for being with with with us. up next, our coverage of the george zimmerman trial continues live from sanford, florida and waiting for the verdict. stay with us. meet the newest member of the quicken loans family: j.d. power and associates has ranked quicken loans highest in the nation in customer satisfaction... i say "family," because we've been blessed with this honor

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>> and the person could walk or do all this other stuff? okay, so you take out the heart and the defendant kind of moves him and spreads out his hand. he's taking even more blood pumping out. the victim just kind of happens to kind of just lift himself up and put his hands underneath? i don't know. you decide. why did he have to say that? because it's part of him wanting to be a cop. that's what police officers do. even when they shoot somebody. >> police officers want to shoot somebody? that's what the prosecutor said in his closing arguments this week. so what will the jury make of the state trying to portray zimmerman as a wanna becopy cop. with me, former police detective

mark fuhrman who joins us by satellite. hi, mark. what do you think of that opening? what do you think of the prosecutor saying that? >> well, i think bernie was -- the prosecutor was pretty much over the top just about every time he got out of his chair. when he says that there was something wrong with him wanting to be a cop, i guess it's okay to want to be a criminal but to want to be a cop, that's something wrong. i just think george zimmerman was an experienced -- he didn't really understand the job of being a police officer. he was interested in it. if he was a police officer, i think that everything that happened that night would be seen in a different light, not self defense, but something else. now just wanting to be a cop, that's not bad. >> let me ask you a question, mark. what do you think of this whole thing about when he shot trayvon and there's obviously experts who disagree with each other on how close trayvon was or where

trayvon was in relation to zimmerman, but you know, the idea that he took his arms out and then the arms ended underneath him. have you figured that one out yet? >> yeah. i mean, it's actually very consistent. in that situation a police officer would handcuff even an obviously dead suspect, so he -- in the initial observation, he said he's got something in his waist band durin or in the fronf his jacket. he felt that there might be a weapon. he's laying on his stomach, he stretched his arms out so he could see his hands. i'm sure that there was still some movement, and he tucked those hands under his body, you know, in the last few moments of life. >> well, and also what about the fact that zimmerman had the gun underneath or behind him? if zimmerman's on the ground, how did zimmerman grab that gun

out to shoot trayvon? >> well, you know, i listened to the prosecutor' prosecutor the o explain the impossibility of this. when you're in a street fight, there's never been two street fights that actually go down the same way, and how your body reacts and gets to certain things and does certain things is probably still kind of a mystery to everybody it happens to, but it happens, and he got the weapon. he managed to get the weapon no matter how that occurred. that is really irrelevant to the actual elements of the crime. if you want it to be murder, then it's not an element. if you want it to be self defense, you make it an issue. i don't think they were successful at doing that. >> mark, have you ever seen a jury of just six women, you know, one sex? >> no. i've never seen that. i was kind of surprised that it was ever even allowed to happen.

it just seems like you would want a couple of males on there just so they could maybe kind of align themselves with george zimmerman and actually being in a situation of danger at some time in their live with a gun or without. >> all right. and you know, i'm sitting here still with jeff gold. jeff, you were shaking your head when mark was talking. >> i agree with mark. the thing is this. we're all forgetting there's an eyewitness, john good, who sees with his two eyes trayvon martin pummeling george zimmerman. effect about the small details. it's not as if the whole story was made up. he just walked up to him shot him, and that was it. we know from one eye witness who was the state's witness that trayvon martin was on top pummeling him, and of course, we know that the forensics say trayvon martin was on top. effect about the details. >> all right, mark fuhrman, i'm going to you. there's also a witness that said zimmerman was on top.

>> no. they didn't say zimmerman was on top. they were farther away, and they were going on colors of jackets, and they were actually farther away, and it was never definitive. john good was absolutely the closest to this whole situation. but could i add one thing, judge? in the prosecution's case, the most objective person that the prosecutor has in his quiver is the lead detective. the lead detective in this case actually said he believes everything zimmerman said which means he says that he believes it's self defense, and then the prosecution had to overcome that which i don't think they ever did. >> they never did, and i think that, you know, seriano said he found zimmerman to be credible. the prosecution is stuck with that. anyway, mark fuhrman, thanks so much for being with us. coming up, more from

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jackson who joins us from chicago. good evening, reverend. >> to you too, judge. >> it's nice to have you here, reverend. are you concerned about the issue of violence as it relates to a possible acquittal of george zimmerman within the community? >> i hope that will not happen. hopefully we'll choose due process over any kind of street justice. his parents do not want any such riots or behavior. it would tip the scale of balance of, should i say, sympathy from trayvon to zimmerman, and trayvon deserves sympathy and zimmerman does not. we've been here before and out of our frustrate engaged in riots and behavior. a lot of innocent people have been killed. we hope that will not happen. i hope that the outcome of the jury will cool any temptation to do that. >> and reverend, last year your

tone was somewhat different as it relates to what had happened to trayvon. i mean, you seem to have softened compared to what you said in that spot. >> my resolve is as strong as it was. an innocent boy going to his home, his father's castle, trailed by or stalked by an adult who was armed, who was told not to pursue him. he murdered him. the altercation to me can be thrown out. what's really the fact of the matter is a boy going home, innocent and by himself, killed by an adult and that to me should be a -- the result should be a strong deterence of the jury. >> and reverend, you know, the tea leaves people are reading seem to think that murder is off the table, that the jury of six women has moved towards manslaughter.

do you think that if there is a verdict of manslaughter that it will be one that will be accepted by the community? >> well, you know, i don't know. there's a pattern here, judge. there's killing cold blood in oakland. the movie, fruitville, there's the man killed in new york. 41 times he was shot by police and they waited. his wallet was his weapon. another young man shot and killed in a church in rockford, illinois, a 15-year-ol 15-year-. he was shot in chicago. there's a pattern. 57 shootings by police in chicago of civilians. 93% were black and brown. there's an ugly pattern here. that's why trayvon is part of a bigger pattern other than just sanford, florida. >> yes, but reverend, you agree that george zimmerman was not a

police officer. in fact, he was never accepted by a police department. so i don't know if you can tie him into this pattern of law enforcement that you're talking about. can you? >> well, he was a wannabe, and he was armed, and he had contact with the police department. that's why he called -- they told him don't pursue, and he violated what they recommended and did it any how. after he killed him, he walked away. it took protests to get him even in court. i mean, he literally walked away and suggested the police department had some degree of corruption in the process. >> all right. so what you're saying is that it was -- the governor was correct in assigning a special attorney, a special prosecutor to actually bring the charges in this case, but it's interesting, reverend, that that special prosecutor made the decision on her own. she did not take this to the

grand jury. do you find any significance in that? >> i do not know what to say as a non-lawyer, but i mean, six women, no men, no blacks. that's a strange combination given the nature of the case between zimmerman and trayvon martin. six women, no blacks, no males. that's a bad makeup, it seems to me. >> well, and you know, when you compare the number of african-americans the truth is here that proportionally and statistically the jury pool was reflective of the community, but reverend, last question. will you accept the verdict, whatever it is? >> we'll accept the verdict if it's a verdict that does not give us murder or a at least manslaughter, no doubt there will be an appeal. i certainly hope the people do not try to go from court justice to street justice. that would be a big mistake. lots of innocent people would be hurt or killed and that will reflect badly on the legacy of

trayvon martin. trayvon deserves sympathy, not zimmerman, and a riot will shift sympathy to zimmerman. >> reverend, will you accept an acquittal here? >> that would be a bitter pill to swallow. the jury is somewhere between i think yo murder and manslaughter and are hung. i doubt they can hear all of what they've heard and know what they know. i doubt that will be the result, judge. >> all right. reverend jesse jackson, thank you so much for being with us this evening as we wait for justice in this case for trayvon martin. thank you. >> thank you. all right. more from sanford, florida outside the seminole county courthouse after the break while we waitr for the verdict as the jury deliberates. [ whispering ] uh! i had a nightmare!

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with the body from the time it comes in. >> with me, dr. john garavaglia, chief medical examiner for the contiguous county to seminole county. we saw the questioning of someone that you worked with for ten years. >> yes. he was my boss for ten years, i know him well. >> and he came in and basically said that the shooting of trayvon martin occurred between 1 and 4 inches, that the muzzlele didn't actually go against his chest, but it was about four inches away. >> it was about two to four. he's right. that's forensics 101. there's no question about that. that part is not debittable. the debate is how that occurred and to say that it just occurred one way, i love the doctor. he's a great guy. he comes off as a little authoritative. >> you think?

doctor, do you think? i've been in the courtroom with him, too. >> you have to see where they're coming from. whenever anybody comes in as a defense witness. >> an expert. >> or a prosecution witness, you have to kind of see where they're coming from. >> okay. but what's interesting, doctor, is that dr. booed b bodden saidy could have been standing facing each other and had the same forensic result. >> you look at one piece of the puzzle. the doctor was putting it all together. grass stains. >> what do you think. >> how do you know trayvon's not getting up and he's pulling the sweatshirt down and he's getting up. there's a lot of things that could be going on. >> okay. the truth is that trayvon isn't here to tell about it, is he? >> right. he's not here to tell about it, so you have to look at the forensics. we know that it's contact to the sweatshirt but not to the skin. i'm saying you can't a hundred percent say he's on his back

exactly that way when it occurred. >> what about the nose? i think we have some pictures of the nose. was that nose broken or not. >> you don't know. it looks like there's a blow to the nose. i don't have any problem with the fact that just because the injuries are minor doesn't mean the next one will not be. we know in retrospect they're minor because he walked up and got away. you don't know that when your head is being hit on the concrete. the next one may kill you. that's a scary thing. >> you don't have any problem with dr. demaio talking about, saying you get stunned when something like that happens? it's almost like that was a medical thing. >> that's not a medical thing. how does he know? it could be a concussion. i mean, if your head is getting hit bad enough, but it doesn't even matter. all you have to do is one blow to the concrete and somebody's got control of you. you're worried that the second one could give you a subdural and kill you. >> do you think that he should

have been taken, he being george zimmerman, i to the hospital gin how he appeared in the pictures that we saw? >> he was walking and talking. i doubt it. >> okay. you're a tough la lady. you know, doctor, this case will not depend on the forensics. it really will depend on the state of mind of george zimmerman and that appears to be what you're saying, that even your science isn't objective enough or is not capable of saying what really happen. >> no. we can give, you know, what's reasonable, what we can tell. like certainly he could have moved his arms in that probably minute to two minutes. >> even though the bullet wound went through the chest, the heart? >> right. we have -- we know that people can walk and run with that, but it's variable. people can collapse suddenly and we've had other instances where they're running a half a block away, so it's variable.

just to move your arms in, and if you look, they're not under his body like people are saying. his one arm in particular, just the forearm is brought in. the elbow is still out. i mean, he could have been trying to get back up. >> okay. or maybe even protecting himself. >> whatever. i mean, it's not -- >> do you think it's unusual for the injuries that zimmerman had that trayvon martin debit have any blood on his body, any dna on his hands, anything from zimmerman? >> i don't have any problem with that. you have to always worry about the lack of dna. it doesn't tell you that much. it's when it's present that it tells you things. there's many reasons for you not to have dna. the lack of dna is never an answer por me. >> all right. the rain certainly contributed. >> the rain and the way the hands were not bagged. doctor, we love to have you on. thanks for being with us this evening. we'll be right back to continue our coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial live from

sanford florida in front of the seminole county justice building where the jury is still deliberating. stay with us.

fox news alert. the verdict is in an in in the e zimmerman murder trial. i'm harris faulkner. you're watching fox newschannel as we alert in with this breaking news. and we are just getting this coming into fox news newsroom. no more details than that, but a verdict has been reached in the george zimmerman murder trial. all day long and really since yesterday we knew that this jury had asked a couple of questions. the first one, they wanted a complete list of evidence in the case. the second coming just a few hours ago on this saturday.

what they wanted was some more detail about manslaughter charges against george zimmerman and the death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. back on february 26th, 2012. and now we know just a few hours later and really i should mention just a short time after they came back from a dinner break, they have reached a verdict. what's key for you to know in all of this, there were a few possibilities for george zimmerman. one would have been second degree murder, and as we have guests tonight on fox newschannel, we he learned from those legal experts if they had moved on from second degree murder to talking about manslaughter, they may have completely taken second degree murder off the table. we don't know that for certain, but that was the instruction. you go from one and then you go to the lesser charge of manslaughter. the other possibilities would be a complete acquittal in which case the man you see there on the left of your screen would go free immediately. and then they could have reached a situation where they were a

hung jury. just six people deciding this. maybe three of them couldn't figure out what to do in agreement. we don't know. but whatever it was, now we know that there has been a verdict reached, so we'll take that off the table, the hung jury part. we potentially can take off second degree murder, and now we're looking at a manslaughter charge or an acquittal for george zimmerman. we're going to pause right now for one moment to let our fox broadcast stations join in.

>> we than you for your patience. that was quite a long pause for our viewers on fox newschannel. our broadcast stations across the country joining us on fox broadcast. fox news can now confirm a verdict has been reached in the george zimmerman murder trial. i'm harris faulkner live from new york. we've been on verdict watch for more than 24 hours. they haven't been deliberating all that time. they took a break, came back at it, and have been going all day long with the exception of a quick break this ash and then over dinner. we learned they could still talk about the case during dinner and likely would have done that if they reached a verdict so quickly. the jury of six women had a question in the case about manslaughter charges.

the judge said specifically what do you want to know? they never answered the judge back. we've been waiting for a couple of hours. this is a sanford, florida. it's 9:53 eastern. they would have been deliberating about 16 hours at this point. george zimmerman was seen earlier shaking hands with his attorney after the first break in the case, and now that they've come back from this dinner break, everybody in the courtroom, now the media have been called back. we're waiting for this verdict to be read. i do want to mention an interesting detail. george zimmerman throughout the trial had a 10 p.m. curfew as the defendant. you'll notice the time. we're just shy of 10 p.m. on the east coast. now, the trial had been going beyond the 10 p.m. point last week, the closing arguments, the witnesses, and each time that

happened, the judge would then have to extend the time that he could be out and about. but tonight just shy of 10 p.m. here on the east coast, there sits george zimmerman and we could in the next four or five minutes hear what that verdict is. i know that we do have some guests on stand by and on in onr studios right now, and i want to bring in judge alex and mercedes column win if we can possibly do that get their perspective on this. in the meantime, i want you to draw your attention to what's happening on the screen. you see people with their heads in their hands. they're tired. it's been a long day. you've got assembled inside the courtroom, the defendant, his attorney. you've got the prosecution. you do not have judge nelson. she's not there yet. obviously she'll sit between the flags. she hasn't been brought in yet, but we are all assembled. we are all assembled and we've

got geraldo rivera who is south of new york city. sanford florida. geraldo, this went very quickly after that dinner break. >> it did. it was a surprise. we never, harris, resolved that whole question this jury had about the manslaughter statute, the manslaughter, the lesser and included offense that the judge allowed at the last minute. we heard that they had a question about the context of that statute, its import, its meaning. the question is thought to be too general. the judge sent the note back to the jury and said what do you really want to know? as far as we know, harris, the jury never came back and asked the specific question that they had. i surmise, and this is just supposition based on my following this case so closely for the last 16 months, that they have, i believe, said wait a second. does self defense apply in a

manslaughter rap as it did obviously in murder 2. we know murder 2 is off the table. there's no way on god's green earth this man, george zimmerman, will be convicted now of murder. as it turns out in terms of manslaughter, we similarly believe it will be very difficult for this jury to find him guilty on manslaughter. i'm not going to put my head in the place of those georgia now. we have waited so long. we can wait for these six ladies now to come forward and tell us what they believe. the judge now, judge nelson, coming into the courtroom. the defendant, you can imagine how george zimmerman, harris, is feeling right now. let's listen to the court proceedings. >> go ahead and bring them in.

>> i will remind everybody in the courtroom that there's to be no outburst upon the reading of the verdict or afterwards.

>> please be seated. members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? >> we have, your honor. >> would you please poll the verdict form and hand it to deputy jarvis? thank you. okay. if you'll please publish the verdict. in the circuit court of the 18th judicial circuit in and for seminole county, florida, state of florida versus george zimmerman, verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. so say we all foreperson. >> ladies and gentlemen, i mean, ladies. as your juror number is being called, please answer whether this is your verdict. jury b, what is your verdict.

>> jury b, 76, this is your verdict. yes. >> juror b, 37, is this your verdict? >> he y juro juror b51, is thisr verdict. juror e6, is this your verdict? >> yes. >> juror e40, is this your verdict? >> yes. ladies, i wish to thank you for your time and consideration of this case. i also wish to advise you of some very special privileges enjoyed by jurors. no juror could ever be required to talk about the discussions that occurred in the jury room except by court order. for many centuries, our society has relied upon juries for consideration of difficult cases. we have recognized for hundreds of years that a jury's deliberations, discussions, and votes should remain their private affair as long as they wish it. therefore, the law gives you the unique privilege not to speak about the jury's work. although you are at liberty to speak with anyone about your