thank you very much. that is all the time we have left this evening. as always thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. greta is next to go "on the record" we'll see you tomorrow night. here. thanks for being with us. tonight sharp knives are out for the media. >> you guys, the media, he was like a patient in an operating table where a mad scientist was committing experiments on him an he had no anesthesia. >> he never would have been arrested if it wasn't the outcry from black people, white people, christians, muslims, he would never have been arrested except for the outcry. >> it means there wasn't a reason to arrest him. the only reason he was was because a bunch of people started belly aching and intimidated law enforcement to firefighter police chief and then angela correy starts

running around hiding evidence and so forth. >> the country is focused on what case what do you make of it? >> it's surreal. i don't like that they rush to judgment the way they have. >> he didn't know why he was turned into this monster. you guys had a loot to do with it. >> the race profiteers, they have a business model. they have a script. this was a profitable event for them. and they spun george's race as a white man and then later when he became hispanic the media spun his race into white hispanic. >> you took a story that was fed to you and you ran with it and you ran right over him. >> even after the verdict, there was not even the decency to acknowledge that this man, mr. zimmerman, was wrong in assuming that trayvon martin was going anything but abiding by

the law and minding his own business. >> nothing of course like this with the media attention. nothing that had the case tried over and over and over again in the media. nothing where the media was accused of such irresponsibility early on, frankly, being swept along with this narrative that simply then shown not to be true. >> but after george zimmerman's lawyers have to say about the media coverage, mark o'mara and dan west join us. good evening, gentlemen. >> good evening. how are you doing? >> i think it's only fair because we've certainly had at it with all the lawyers and judge and everybody else at trial. so i want to let you have a chance to have at it. let me start with you, mark. tell me what you think about the media coverage. >> again we talked about that at the beginning. it what just outrageous. because what they did was buy into the media or the perspective given by the trayvon martin attorney, the family an just ran with it. unfortunately they didn't look at any of the background and ran straightforward. and it really set this case up

to be the racial frenzy that it became. >> don? >> well, from the very beginning, george had to prove his innocence, an incredible uphill challenge against almost unspeakable odds. but we did. we did. >> what is the impact on the actual trial of the media coverage? forget the noise aspect of it. was there anything that the media coverage, good, bad and ugly, agree, disagree, did it actually have an impact on what you think is the actual fairness inside the courtroom of the trial? >> i think that inside the courtroom we didn't have a lot of media bias or media exposure. certainly the jurors were kept away from it. there's thousands of analysts who are going to say what they think about it. but i'm actually more okay once my jury is protected. so i wasn't too worried about that. alled media that led up to it caused us to have a lot of of inquire rest of the jury regarding pretrial publicity.

and i still think that they were affected by the media blitz. but hopefully they put it all aside. >> i suppose, don, if there hadn't been the impact of the media or the interest of the media your jury would not have been sequestered and general defense lawyers don't want their jurors sequestered. neither does the judge and prosecutors but less so for the defense. do you agree? >> oh, sure. once we got our jury, however, we turned them over if you will to the seminole county sheriff's office who did a remarkable job protecting them. and that was truly remarkable. >> don, what about this nbc lawsuit? they did a pretty bad hack job on some editing, what the nbc version was that your client said this guy looks like he's up to no good. he looks black. and what the actual 911 call was, this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. it's raining and he's just walking around looking about. the dispatcher said okay. and this guy is he white, black or hispanic? zimmerman answered he looks

black. all that middle part of the dispatch was cut out. what are you going to do about that? you've filed suit. >> well, i'm going to ask mark to answer your question. because he's directly involved in that litigation himself. >> i'm helping out with an attorney in pennsylvania, jim beasley, who's sort of taking the lead on it. what they did was outrageous. they took an information, cut out the middle part. and i think they did so to sort of cut corners. i think they presumed that george zimmerman was a racist murderer. so if he was, no harm no foul. they were wrong. they sort of were part of the process of all of of this turning against george. and thank god he was still able to get a fair trial in light of all that. >> you know, i don't know any of the people involved in this. i know nbc did i think fire some people as a result of that. my wild guess on this to both of you is that it's probably some young person who was not particularly supervised by other people or someone inexperienced. i mean, i can't even -- we're

all competitors but i really can't imagine that they were trying to sort of stick it to you or to your client. but that's just my guess. >> true. i guess we can give them the benefit of that doubt. it's just that it was so egregious that taking out that 45 seconds had such an impact on the case. >> horrible. >> you can't sit back and go, get on a national program. it wasn't on a local program this. started national. that they just have to have better safeguards in place. i think that they just rushed through it, not caring because they figured again if he's a racist, you can get away with almost anything. >> well, my advice to nbc is to make a quick settlement and everybody move on. let me move on to something else, gentlemen. there's been a lot of talk about the judge in this case, judge debra nelson taking heat for her tessity testy exchanges with the lawyers mostly you, don. >> have you made a decision as to whether you want to testify in this case? >> i object to that case. >> overruled. have you made a decision about as to whether or not you want to testify in this case?

>> i object to that kiss. >> ov-- that question. >> overruled. have you made a decision on whether you want to testify? >> objection. >> i am asking your client questions. please mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. >> i've been in the courtroom. >> so have i. >> not being able to prepare or get my witnesses gathered for tomorrow. and i can't do it tonight. >> we're not physically able to put up this pace much longer. it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day. weekend, depositions at night. >> don, your reaction i might first add that your job in the criminal court not to be chummy or make friends with the judge but to represent your client much and i tended to fight with junction. but what in the world was going on between the two of you?

seemed like it was part of the entire trial. >> i don't know if it's fair to say it was the entire trial. it was situational. unfortunately i suppose there were lots of those situations. the first one in the clip was when judge nelson wanted to ask george zimmerman whether he was going to testify and what that decision was. and frankly, we weren't done yet. we still had a couple of witnesses to go. and separate and apart from whether she should ever ask that question, i didn't think she should ask it then. he had the absolute right to testify. >> i thought she was out of line asking that question before the defense case was over. absolutely out of line. i agree with you on that. >> and the other clip that you showed was late at night after we had worked a full day before the jury. we had several hours of proffers on critically important evidence, frankly. it had to do with the text messages on trayvon martin's phone that addressed his previous fighting. i thought that was critically important evidence.

i'm not going to say okay without putting up a bit of a fight. >> the job is to represent the client aggressively. mark, there is pending this issue of sanctions. you made the accusation that the prosecution withheld information and information you believe that was exculpatory that would help your client. the trial is now over. you won. number one, did they with hold it, was is what we call the brady violation and are you still going to pursue some sort of sanctions? zblrt. >> part of the frustration that don evidenced throughout the trial was the frustration we had pretrial. it was enormously difficult to get discovery from the state attorney's office. 30 years of practice i've never filed a motion for sanctions. in this case i file six against the same state attorney's office. because yes, they were hiding the ball. they had information that was entro on trayvon martin's phone. we know they knew about it in january because the i.t. guy testified to it. when we tried to get the information he told the judge very specifically the prosecutor told the judge he never had it.

that's conflicting with the existing evidence. that was very frustrating. it took me six months to get a picture of my client's face injuries in the jpeg portion. first they gave me a black and white, then a pastel color. so yes, they were not playing the way they should have played and it was enormously frustrating in such a difficult case to begin with. >> does it make a difference that those text messages that were withheld from you later got by whistle blower that the judge said they weren't admissible in the trial? is that to make a no harm no foul or not? >> as it turns out, we didn't need them. but what if there would have been a conviction? then we would have had an issue on appeal where the court had decided that george zimmerman's criminal lit court two years before was significant and relevant enough to tell the jury, but trayvon martin's experience with fighting, knowing about how to ground and pound, knowing that when he was on the bottom he could do nothing and knowing if you hit

somebody in the nose you can win a fight, that the decisions that that was not relevant was confounding to me. and frustrating. >> i wonder how many prosecutors, every night there's that fight and every day in the courtroom that fight about whether prosecutors are withholding information. all the stuff with defendants, not your client but across the country. that such an important piece. exculpatory information is withheld from a defendant, it is the most -- it's one of the most egregious mistakes, isn't it, or errors? >> sure, it's across the board. it's not subject to the discovery rules in florida or any other specific state. it's guaranteed by the constitution. exculpatory evidence must be provided by the prosecutor to the defense without demand, frankly. it's their obligation once they see it to provide it. >> did either one of you have a conversation with the judge or the lawyers, the prosecutors afterwards like hard-fought fight and thanks for talking or whatever and go on your merry

way? any handshaking or not? >> i didn't shake their hand. and in this case, yeah, good game we'll see you next time. no, not in this case. it would be like shaking the hand after a baseball game of the pitcher who spent nine innings throwing at your head. it was not an honorable prosecution. and i think the comments that we've heard in the last day or so clearly establish that. >> mark, you agree? >> well, they came on record after the jury decided that my client was not guilty and said that he's a murderer, said he was a coward for not getting on the stand. that is egregious conduct in my opinion. how dare they denigrate the jury verdict and by doing that the very process they are sworn to uphold and sit back say the constitutional right not to

testify cowardly bow avenue behavior. there were cowards in the courtroom who decided to prosecute based on politics not facts. but the coward was not my client. >> martin family lawyer jasmine rand going on the record. i took her to task for what she said. i wonder what you think. >> i have a greater duty beyond being an attorney. that's to be a social engineer. and when the law doesn't get it right, i believe it we have the right to peacefully and morally conscientiously object to the decision of the jury. that doesn't mean that we believe that it's going to be overturned or that it will or that we don't respect the decision that those six people made. but there are millions of people out there who don't agree with that decision. so it's not just the legal team. [ overlapping speakers ] >> now, that's deeply disturbing to me on the tape. because i happen to be a big believer in the jury system even when i lost the case. but she says the job is to be a social engineer. mark, do you have a thought about that? >> sure. give up her j.d. and go get an

engineering degree. that's probably the best thing she can do. because we are bound to an ethical consideration. we are in effect the soldiers of the constitution when we look at a case like this. and we have to instill in the people who we want to believe it our system that they should trust the system, respect it and listen to it. if we have people social engineering away a not guilty verdict, given by a jury after a fair trial, what she's doing is infecting the system with a virus that's going to come back to burn us all. and she needs to rethink her social engineering or at least her degree. >> don, i've been sitting on the sidelines watching. i realize sitting on the sidelines a lot easier than being in the arena like both of you have. i confess i was surprised the night of the verdict you didn't express more empathy for the trayvon martin family. i felt like you were still in the battle mode and talking about all the horrible things that happened to your client.

a client that goes through a trial it is a horrible thing. but am i wrong? or do you feel like you showed sufficient empathy? do you have empathy for the martin family? >> definitely have empathy for the family. they went through the tragedy of a loss of a loved one. i evidenced that the first week i was involved in the case when she said she wasn't sure why mr. zimmerman never apologized. i reached out to the family through the lawyers and said i want to have a private, confidential communication where my client wants to apologize for having to have done what he did. that was rebuffed which is the only reason why i ended up doing it then on record in the bond hearing. and we sort of had to go forward with that. so we have always been very respectful to the martin family. i wish that their lawyers had been more respectful to my client's constitutional right to a fair trial and not try this case improperly on false facts in the media for a year and a half. >> well, i will say i agree with mark when i was surprised when the statement was made by the prosecution post verdict about

cowardly not testifying. because that is a rather sacred constitutional right. why do you think she said that? >> why do i think the prosecutor said that? >> yes. why? >> because they're desperate grasping at straws, looking for anything to avoid accepting this jury who was extremely conscientious and deliberative. they looked at all of the evidence. we had a couple of hundred pieces. before they deliberated for 1an their verdict but the unquestionably right verdict in this case. their comments are a distraction. and they should be viewed as maybe i'm being too flippant, sour grapes if nothing else. at the other end of the spectrum outrageous. >> gentlemen, thank you both. >> sure, thanks very much. good chatting with you again. now to tonight's hot button issue. how do you rate the media coverage of the zimmer man case? go to gretawire.com to vote.

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fox news alert. tonight we are hearing from some of the zimmerman trial jurors. four of the six jurors released a statement but requesting privacy. the statement says "we the undersigned jurors understand there's a great deal of interest in this case. but we ask you to remember that we are not public officials and we did not invite this type of attention into our lives. we also wish to point out that the opinions of juror b 37

expressed on the anderson cooper show were her own and not in any way representative of the jurors listed below. serving on this jury has been a highly emotional and physically draining experience for each of us. the death of a teenager weighed heavily on our hearts. in the end we did what the law required us to do. we appeal to the highest standards of your profession and ask the media to respect our privacy and give us time to process what we have been through. thank you. jurors b 51, b 76, e 6 and e 40. and just days after the zimmerman verdict, growing call to get the stand your ground law off the books in a speech to the naacp, attorney general eric holder saying these laws actually undermine public safety. >> these laws try to fix something that was never broken. there has always been a legal defense for using deadly force if and the if is important, if no safe retreat is available. but we must examine laws that

take this further by eliminating the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat outside their home if they can do so safely by allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety. >> daryl parks is a lawyer for the martin family. he joins us. nice to see you again, daryl. >> hi, greta. nice to see you as well. >> i want to first speak about jasmine rand who is on your team. last night she told me that she obviously disagreed with the jury verdict and said she was into social engineering i think was the term she used. does the team not have respect for the jury and the jury system? >> we have tremendous respect, greta, for the jury system. in fact, up until last night i really was of the opinion that the jury was off-limits and the providence of the jury should be

respected. when you listen, though, to what that lady said last night, i was so disheartened as i drove back up to tallahassee. i got on the phone with my client and said i can't believe what she's saying. >> what are you saying? >> the juror. >> i'm talking about your colleague on this team, right? talking about the juror. >> let me explain what jasmine was saying. there's a point, certainly as lawyers we try cases. we respect what the jury does. but we also respect the fact that law evolves. and then the issue may be with the law itself, not necessarily with the jury itself. the jury as they see it was following the law. the law has a kink to it that need to be addressed. >> let me talk to you. i was so disheartened with her. i expect so much more from lawyers. she said -- i would think she had profound respect for the jury system and these jurors who we drafted to do that. i was profoundly disappointed

with her. as to the law evolving, this is one of the most ridiculous discussions about the stand your ground and self-defense. they are one in the same. i spent the afternoon reading them. self-defense you have a right to defend yourself just like withstand your ground. i don't know why in the world people are getting these two things confused because i've been working on it. i don't get the attorney general. but fact is that wasn't even what was argued to the jury by the defense. the somehow we have morphed into this other discussion. maybe that's the social engineering that we have a complete disregard for the facts and what happened in the trial and a complete disregard for the responsibility of the jurors that they took it. so i don't get your team. >> let's go back to the jury though for a second, too, greta. because when you listen to this juror, and when she talked about rachel jeantel and how she described her, for whatever reason this juror associated with being uneducated with bean untruthful. i have a fundamental problem with that concept. >> then prosecution did a lousy job arguing its case.

look i've had lots of clients, daryl so have you that haven't had much education and aren't good. that's our job not the jurors. maybe the lawyers are louisianalouisiansy. why are we pick okay the jurors who we draft, tell them to do the job. everyone agreed with them. suddenly people don't like it so suddenly they're the wrong ones, they're the bad guys. >> one other issue, greta. it became clear to me that i've listened to her now about six times. very troubled by it. the biggest problem i probably had with it, every chance she could draw an inference from key evidence in the case, the inference was always taken against trayvon martin. for whatever reason. and that's a problem. >> why did the prosecution agree to this jury? they picked it. maybe it was because the inferences because it wasn't argued well. maybe the prosecution didn't present well. but why are you indicting a juror? why are you saying the system

doesn't work? i've had so many cases, dai dar where the verdict has gone against me but i've never been so disrespectful to the citizens who gave up their time to weigh the evidence. i just haven't. >> let me say this year. if you would look at any of my interviews i gave before last night, i really thought they were totally off-limits completely, right? however, do i have a real issue though, greta, when a juror shows up with a literary deal within 48 hours of a verdict. i'm sorry. i just have a problem with that. >> you'll hear about that. we've got a report coming up on that. frankly i got to confess i'm curious what the jurors have to say, how the experience was for them. so i actually may be in the minority. i don't particularly mind that. but we have a report on that. but i'll tell you. a far deeper issue to me is when lawyers who should know better go out denigrate the system we work so hard to get justice in. when we people who work in the system and try to get justice,

when we don't like it we go out and trash the very system which is the only thing we have to get justice for our clients. >> if i may, greta, i don't think she was trashing the system whatsoever. i don't think that was her point. i think what she was saying was that we believe that the response that the system has right now to this issue is an issue that we need to address to see if we can improve it. >> i'm always in favor of improving it. actually, daryl, a lot of problems with the criminal justice system. one is that there are so many poor people in this country that don't have access to lawyers and get really lousy representation. but that's an issue that no one's paying much attention to. daryl always nice to see you. >> you know, people just have to understand. sometimes i can understand, i listened to what mark and don said. and yeah, maybe the law favored zimmerman to some degree that he was able to get this acquittal. but please understand as people -- >> i don't think the law favored him. it's not the law that acquitted him. >> the law did favor him.

he fundamentally should go to jail. fundamentally the law helped him on the situation. >> i read the jury instructions. i read them this afternoon. it's routine jury instructions. it's the constitution. and it's the facts. and people don't like it can throw darts at it. but i'll tell you one thing, it was not the law that favored him. >> no. he was awn an unarmed teenager. greta. an unarmed teenager shouldn't die at the hand of an armed man. >> my heart bleeds for the trayvon martin family. but by denigrating the jury who weighed the facts we're not doing anything for him and his famil family. >> i think if you have a lawyer come on like jasmine rand, if you have her come on at night and she says we don't like the jury but i'm into social engineering. what in the world is that? she should be out there supporting the system, to do everything we can to make it better. >> i think she does support the

system. she respects the system. i can assure you that -- i think that part of it maybe was emotion. but we respect the system. we thanked these people for their time. they've done their service. we accept their verdict. but now we must go on to work on changing this law. >> well, i don't know what law you want to change. i've looked at the law. if you're talking about stand your ground, stick around listen to conversation about this. for the life of me, i even blogged about it. i can't figure out what's the difference between stand your ground and self-defense. with self-defense you get to stand your ground against someone coming at you with a deadly force or in imminent fear. i don't get it. maybe i'm wrong. but daryl, stick around. maybe the lawyers will teach me something. thank you, daryl. always nice to see you. >> thank you so much. coming up, rush limbaugh on what else social engineering. you're going to hear what rush has to say. plus our legal panel's thoughts on social engineering and stand your ground law. that's next. and a grammy-winning singer stevie wonder. now he is jumping into the zimmerman controversy. did you hear what he's doing or

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so what's so what's social engineering. last night a lawyer for trayvon martin family telling us social engineering is part of her job description. >> the whole point of the jury we assign the job to weigh the facts, we draft them, we make them sit there. a lot of times they don't want to be there. we then present the evidence and the judge then says here's the evidence. here's the law. instructs them in the law. it's your duty, it's not mine, it's not yours, it's not everybody else in the community but it's the jury's duty to weigh them. all of a sudden suddenly afterwards they say they can't do their job? >> i have a greater duty beyond being an attorney. and that's to be a social engineer. when the law doesn't get it right, i believe that we have the right to peacefully and morally conscientiously object to the decision of the jury. that doesn't mean that we believe that it's going to be overturned or that it will or that we don't respect the decision that those six people made. but there are millions of people out there who don't agree with

that decision. so it's not just the legal team. it's millions of people. [ overlapping speakers ] we've received reports from all over the world. when i'm talking about being a social engineer, george zimmerman would never have been arrested if it wasn't the outcry from black people, brown people, white people, republicans, democrats, christians and muslims in this nation who demanded his arrest. he was then arrested and tried by a jury of his peers. do i no believe the jury got it ro right. the federal government has every right to bring a claim. that's what we call federal pre-emption. >> now rush limbaugh has something to say about social engineerings. >> last night on fox, greta van susteren interviewed one of the martin family attorneys, jasmine rand. or maybe it's jasmine rand. and this woman kind of let it all out of the bag for everybody on the left. she's a lawyer. but then she let it out of the

bag. she says, i'm not really a lawyer. i'm a social engineeri. everything i do is about social justice. greta who is a lawyer and very serious lawyer and has deep and profound appreciation for the law, took this woman to task. and they didn't get this verdict, and start crying like a bunch of impertinent kids. spoiled brats. nobody. these people were not personally invested in trayvon martin. so when it didn't go her way, then all of a sudden she stops being a lawyer and she's a social engineer. and she has to make sure that what happened it didn't go her way does go her way by hook or by crook. >> our legal panel in orlando, san francisco, washington, jim

first to you your thoughts on the social engineering just outside of the jury verdict. >> greta, really good interview. last night was one of the best interviews i've seen that long long time. you could see you were offended as a lawyer. you practiced law a lot of years by this woman basically participating in the bashing of these individual jurors. i've been very disappointed in some verdicts sometimes as a prosecutor. i have never come close to attacking jurors who did this public service. i think it's a very dangerous thing for any lawyer, especially the prosecutors in this case when you start besmirching the work of those jurors, the verdict. we have a high high obligation to honor that system. we can make comments about changing the law but i think people have crossed the line in this case. it ticks me off too. >> bernie? >> as lawyers we think a lot of ourselves but we're not transcende transcendent. if the jury wants to engage in that in the jury room that's none of my business. i can't argue that to the jury.

the jury wants to do it fine. but lawyers have no place in there especially mocking the jury if they didn't give you the verdict they wanted. >> ted? >> i try to listen to miss rand. i think if miss rand could do another interview with you she would probably walk it back. but what we also must realize and keep in mind here is that you had two brilliant lawyers. ben crump and dale poggs who went out when nobody wanted to even touch this case, they went out and sought social justice. they were not social engineers. the social engineering thing, i don't know the definition of it. i don't think that it has anything to to with a jury. we have to respect what the jury did. >> let me go to you, diana, slightly different topic. the attorney general of tunited states said today in this country you have a duty to retreat. i have gone to the jury instructions in florida. it says in part that the defendant had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground. then i go to the federal jury instructions for reference. i've gone to other states and

the federal. you think that the attorney general would know this. another jury instruction. the law recognizes the right of a person who is not the aggressor to stand his ground. this is fundamental, basic self-defense. now we've got this whole sort of thing swarming around us. stand your ground is something anything different than old-fashioned self-defense? your thoughts? >> right. many many states have taken away the requirement to be in your home before you can stand your ground. this is not unusual. this frankly is not as mark o'mara has said over and over, it's not a stand your ground case. he was -- i believe the jury believed -- was proven on his back and being beaten. so there wasn't an ability to retreat even if that part had still been in the law. this is apples and oranges. frankly i think this is just a way to get the topic off the reality that they cannot charge him federally and still have something to say to appease. unfortunately that doesn't take any of our conversations about the real issues, race, justice,

guns. it doesn't take any of that any further. it's apples and oranges. >> when i listened to the attorney general say that in this dthis country we have a duy to retreat. it's simply not true. he could have done the research we did this afternoon. >> some states do require the duty to retreat. florida did until stand your ground. there is a difference greta state by state in this case i listened to that jury interview last night, she said they discussed the stand your ground law. having said all that, it still comes down to self-defense. this jury -- >> self-defense always is. self-defense whether stand your ground or not, self-defense is if you have fear, imminent fear that deadly force is going to be used against you and essentially going to get killed you can respond to it. standing your ground self-defense. >> the key word if it's reasonable. this jury held it's reasonable. they may not like it at the end of the day said this was reasonable fear and he was justified. that's why they said he's not

guilty. >> my point is you can always stand your ground in self-defense. if someone's chasing me with an ax, and i can shoot the person, i don't have to see if i can outrun them first. >> it wouldn't be reasonable to expect you to retreat. you're correct. >> but this whole thing of stand your ground is confusing everybody. it's just self-defense >> well, i think it send a signal. i think it is a dangerous law i'm go on the record and say. it sends the signal you don't have to do anything else. it suggests you can more use a weapon. if you have a reasonable opportunity to treat before reasonable force you should. that's still the law in many states, greta. >> we need the attorney general to do more legal research. panel thank you for take the last word on that. coming up retaliation violent attack on a hispanic man. was it a response to the zimmerman verdict? you'll hear what witnesses say next. come to a delightful end. then i better use the capital one purchase eraser to redeem my venture miles for this trip. purchase eraser? it's the easy way to erase any recent travel expense.

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on the streets of baltimore? a witness saying she saw a group of african-american teens beating this man. she heard the gang yelling something. good evening. >> good evening, greta. >> what does this woman say she saw and what did she hear? >> well, she was out and watched as i guess a group of black males were beating a hispanic man in the streets. and what she had heard, at least a few of them said multiple times this is for trayvon. >> is there any way to corroborate? any other witnesses? one of the things i'm always suspicious of in instances like this that there's sort of almost hoaxes. i mean, is there any way to suggest this is legitimate? >> i don't know. but we are trying to get to the bottom of that. we've certainly -- police are looking into it. they're investigating it. we spoke to the victim actually today. he doesn't remember what was being yelled at him. another witness in 911 tapes says that the man was being beaten because quote unquote because he's a mexican.

which kind of alleges that race may have played a part or not. but police are treating this very seriously. obviously it's a sensitive topic. baltimore hasn't been a very peaceful place since the verdict. this was just sort of one little thing. but obviously the allegations sort of raised some alarm. >> i suppose now what you say the 911 call which was done in a close proximity to the beating makes it in my mind not a hoax a legitimate story. >> i think police like i said, they are reinterviewing both the victim and witnesses about this. so they definitely are looking into it intensely. >> justin, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. straight ahead, another man who says he was attacked in retaliation for the zimmerman verdict. he is now telling his story. you're going to hear from the mississippi jogger coming up. also, no one predicted this one. after taking heat for her trial

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the huffington post tweeting "syrians supporting trayvon martin's family." likening zimmerman to immune criminals. >> rachel jeantel radio host tom joiner has made her an offer she can't refuse. he tweeted "rachel jeantel told me she wants to go into law enforcement and i want to help her. he offered her a full scholarship to any historically black college she chooses. >> turns out now a juror is backing away from a book deal. 20 hours ago she had a book deal and literary agent. now b 37 putting out this statement saying "shielded her from the depths of pain that exist from the general public over every aspect of this case. after a little r and r with the

family, the juror now says writing a bock may not be the best idea." maybe the real pressure came from twitter and facebook. the news of a bock deal started sparking outrage online some directed at her literary agent. lauren led the campaign saying "hey please drop juror b 37. do not help the person who let a murderer get away profit from this tragedy." why do you think she dropped the book idea? go to gretawire.com and let us know. use #greta. coming up you'll hear from a white jogger who says three black men attacked him claiming it was for trayvon. what does he want to tell his attacker? you'll be surprised. you'll hear it next. commitment . commitment . bp supports nearly 250,000 jobs here. through all of our energy operations, we invest more in the u.s. than any other place in the world.

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zimmerman verdict. he says three men forced him into a car at gunpoint while jogging then they beat him he says saying this is for trayvon. he survived the brutal beating. >> whoever did this used the trayvon martin as an excuse to do it. they probably no no details or facts of what happened in that case. some people are saying these black guys beat up a white guy. it's not that. what should be said is, three guys beat up another guy and left him on the side of the road. that's the story. and people make bad decisions. and the three gentlemen that did this made bad decisions that night. i don't hold a grudge. and if i seen them face-to-face i'd ask them why they did it but then i'd tell them that i forgave them. and i'd thank them that they didn't kill me the. >> stay with fox news for updates. we'll see you tomorrow night. check out the gretawire.com.

there's a lot going on on gretawire.com. it goes on long beyond "on the record". it goes on 24/7. good night from washington, d.c. hello, i'm andrea tantaros with bob beckel, greg gutfeld, eric bolling, dana perino. this is "the five." some of the peaceful protests turned into riots three days after george zimmerman was acquitted in florida. in los angeles alone, at least 14 have been arrested. rioters broke windows, attacked people on sidewalks, even raided a walmart store and more. as violence escalates, george zimmerman's parents fear for their lives and for the safety of the rest of their family. >>