rubbing is racing. that's what they say. as always, thank you for being with us. with us. >> rubbing is racing. that's what they say. we will see you back here tomorrow night. this is a fox news alert a. alternate juror telling all. all about the george zimmerman trial. tonight, you will hear what you have never heard before. but first, did alternate juror e-54 agree with the verdict? he spoke exclusively with fox orlando's valerie boey. >> thank you so much for being here today. first of all, what did you think of the verdict? >> well, i was -- i supported the verdict. i agree with it. >> and was there anything in the evidence, in the system that really came out at you? >> i think the things that i focused on when i was -- when i was doing my own little

deliberation was the nonemergency phone call. i did pick up on some things out of rachel jeantel's testimony. trayvon martin's phone records or her phone records when they were talking. >> of course, rachel jeantel is the friend that trayvon martin was talking to right before the shooting on the cell phone. >> yeah. i call them the ear witnesses. the ones that heard the noises. they helped me fill the gap and a couple of the eyewitnesss but i think the one thing that stands out the most is the injuries. just to mr. zimmerman. >> what did you think of neighbor john good's testimony? talked about mma style, ground and pound. >> yeah. i mean, you know, what i -- i got from that was just the motions he saw. you know? whether it was ground and pound or mma. you know? it wasn't relevant to me.

it was just the motions and the fact that who he saw on top and who he thought was on the bottom i think those were more relevant features of his testimony to me. >> did you think rachel jeantel was credible? >> i think -- i did have some -- i did pick up some credible information from her so, yeah, i think she was credible. >> whose voice do you think was on the 911 call? >> i -- personally, i can't tell you who it was. but from the witnesses' testimonies and from the injuries to george zimmerman, i believe it to be him. >> you believe that it was george zimmerman voice? >> yes. >> so you would have voted not guilty? >> correct. >> what did you think of b-37, the juror who spoke out? did you see that interview? >> i did. yep. to be honest with you, i was surprised that anybody could come out that quickly and talk about this. when i was asked about what i

thought, i -- i didn't know where to start, i didn't know what to say. so i was a little surprised she came out as quickly as she did. i'm not surprised that it might have been -- that it was her that came out but, you know, i just -- just think that that was a little bit too soon. what is your reaction to all the protests, demonstrations and talks of a civil rights complaint now? >> yeah. i just don't understand the civil right complaint. i didn't see the evidence there that -- in the courtroom that would make anybody believe there's a civil rights case for this. the protests, you know, people are going to be angry no matter what the verdict was and there's nothing to do about that. so i hope that they're peaceful and, you know, they just do it, you know, as calmly, as best they can. you know? and there's not destruction and not hatred and not, you know, a lot of anger towards the jurors.

>> i know from the news perspective, you know, we talked about some of the key witnesses, whether it be john good or rachel jeantel, who to you were the key witnesses? >> well, i think one key witness to me was george zimmerman during the nonemergency call. i mean, as far as i'm concerned, that was -- it was direct evidence of what he was doing and how he was communicating and i think that was the key to his mentality at the time. you know, there was a lot of emphasis on whether he was showing ill will, spite or hatred and i didn't see that. there was no evidence to support that. in that phone call. >> so you didn't think he was profiling? >> i didn't think he was profiling, no. there's no evidence to characterize that.

he characterized him as a suspicious character, suspicious person and that was all. >> and then what else was there? >> you know, another key thing for me was the tying or rachel jeantel's testimony to when she was on the phone with trayvon. and, you know, you can't really -- you really -- you can't say what she was saying when except for when the phone disconnected. and then she called back and she called to talk to him again. at that point, trayvon said he had lost the man and he was at this -- where his father was staying. he was at that place. at the same time of that -- that happening, george zimmerman had only just gotten out of his car 25, 30 seconds. he was still up at the "t" and trayvon -- according to rachel's

testimony would have been down the other end of the buildings at that point. so somehow those two got back together up at the top of the "t" and, you know, we don't know how that happened but -- and in all likelihood and my mind, you know, even if george zimmerman walked down to where trayvon was, they both walked back up to the "t." so that would have implied that trayvon followed george zimmerman back up. if he didn't, trayvon walked back up to the "t" somehow because then the ear witnesses heard the noises up there, most of the ear witnesses i believe. one of them said the noises went the other direction but the majority of them had the noises coming from the top of the "t" count to the truck where john good saw him laying on the ground or trayvon on top of george zimmerman.

and i believe that john good said that it was -- i believe -- i believe it was zimmerman because he had the color of the jacket that he had. and so, tying all those together and the injuries that george zimmerman had, that's where i -- that's where i came to my conclusion that it was justifiable. >> b-37 criticized zimmerman for not going back to his car. what do you have to say about that? >> you know, there's -- i was fine with that. you know, he was -- i think at the time he was trying to keep an observation and communicate to the police and was not being confrontational. he had the right to be where he was. and, you know, i don't have -- i don't think he had to go back to his car. >> when dr. bell took the stand,

the medical examiner, what was going through your mind? >> i was trying to figure out what was going on with -- you know, a guy in his -- with his experti expertise, i understand that that they're not going to be able to remember their autopsies from two years ago or a year ago, every one of the autopsies that they do. i would have thought he would have prepared himself bet we are the notes of his autopsy rather than spending time researching why people can't remember things because that wasn't relevant. so, i was confused about what -- you know, about all that with him. you know. probably best stands out with in my mind with him. >> were there other witnesses that confused you just as much? >> you know, i should remember this. i'm just drawing a blank now. >> how about that dna, going through all that dna, was that tough to follow? >> that was interesting. that's one of the things i was focused on. looking for the evidence,

looking for what's there. you know? and so no. it wasn't hard to follow that for me. >> was it to tough to look at some of the pictures of trayvon martin's body, listening to those 911 calls of, you know, the screaming of whether it was him or zimmerman? >> you know, for me, it wasn't. i was -- i was just focused on -- on what i was hearing and what i was seeing and not what it was, not who it was. >> did you ever look over at the families when all that was going on? >> no. no. >> purposely? >> yes. yes. >> what was the importance of that? >> out of respect. my respect for them. you know? it was hard enough for them to see it. and, you know, i had no right to be looking to see how they were reacting. >> joining us, our legal panel.

diana tennis, jim hammer, bernie grimm and ted williams. ted, first to you because you sat through some of the trial. your thoughts? >> well, i sat through the trial and i have listened to this alternate juror. as a matter of fact, i think i know who this alternate juror is. i was very observant of the jury. i think he called it the way he saw it. i mean, he -- focus specifically on the injuries. he apparently -- you could see looked at the stand your ground portion of it as here. i don't have a problem with this juror, greta. look. the prosecutors and the defense had to present evidence to this jury. they presented the evidence. some of this evidence was very flimsy and to be candid with you, i don't believe some of the evidence should have come in but the jurors did their job, i believe. >> diana, you're also there listening to this jury thinking -- paid attention and weighing the evidence or irresponsible or anything else? you have respect for him or not?

>> well, it's not in me to not respect a juror. that's a tough question, greta. could have -- >> me, too, by the way. >> i think when you get the fresh perspective of a juror and keep in mind this is not somebody who had the advantage of pouring through 13 hours worth of reviewing the evidence and every single tape and every single video that the regular jury got to go through. this guy put all this together alone without anybody else helping with his memory or perspective or assisting his recollection in any way so i think that's pretty impressive. i think it's important for us to see the jurors' perspective. the first juror that came out i thought she seemed a big racially biassed. just in the assumptions she made about trayvon martin and his motivation and what he was up to. this juror really seemed to focus on just kind of here's what the evidence was, this is the pieces of the puzzle i had. i didn't hear from him anything

that cued me in to he thought that tray jvon martin is blamed for anything. i'm hoping that the more the public hears about this the more they'll get there's validity. this was a reasonable conclusion that come to. >> jim, your thoughts listening to this alternate juror? >> well, the one thing to emphasize, greta, you made this point. this is one of the jurors that the prosecution picked. for the grassing about this jury, this was a person hand picked by the prosecutor in this case. and having listened to him, you know, there's evidence in the case, there's the law, but there's also jurors take sides at the end of the day. do you think the defendant is culpable, a guilty guy. he said he didn't have to go back to the car. at the end of the day, the juror didn't find fault with zimmerman. a law-abiding citizen. he took the side of the zimmerman. the d.a. failed to convince this juror at least it was zimmerman's fault. >> and of course, the added fact

that he said that he believed trayvon was on top of the defendant and that -- >> yes. >> -- and he was paid attention to the injuries that george zimmerman had as bearing heavy listen oiz thoughts. bernie. >> great comments by the panel but the one that's most compelling is ted's comment. it's a man. there's six women on the jury, ted. >> i don't want to give it away, bernie. >> should we both hit bernie? >> you're a detective, bernie. >> i'm going to hit him. >> i think i know who this is. >> yes! >> this is -- this is fascinating, though, greta. >> it was so sold in there and hard to see. but go on, bernie. >> at any rate, this is fascinating, to get inside the mind of a juror. people say jurors don't pay attention. this guy knew every single detail. he remembered testimony, weighed credibility. simply fascinating.

this guy came to work. and whether you like the verdict or not, i think greta said it last week. there's no winners in this case. nobody wins in this case but this juror believes he would have gone with the verdict. and he did his homework, that's sure. >> if the goal of the jury is to listen and to weigh the facts and not listen to the noise or the emotion or the passion which, you know, i know people genuinely feel and because it's terrible when there's death but this juror was actually dispassioned. so far, only heard facts. >> very objective. didn't think someone was a liar. that's something to evaluate. he did his homework. very impressive. >> you get the sense, too, ted -- >> i wanted to punch bernie. i'll do that later n. a serious vein, i felt he was credible and what i like ed about this was everybody's dumping on rachel jeantel and at least this juror found her to be credible and when you look at that instance of a question mark of where

trayvon is coming towards zimmerman or zimmerman is coming towards trayvon, that appears to be confusion with the jury. >> but the interesting thing about rachel jeantel i thought is she didn't hurt the defense. she was a -- sort of a, you know, an interesting person on the witness stand but not atypical of all walks of life on the witness stand. >> i thought west was somewhat bullying to rachel jeantel and unacceptable. i thought he lord -- >> manners. but that's manners. >> horrible for a lawyer. >> manners or tablctic or straty but she said evidence. i didn't obviously not. >> a lot of commentators said she was the star witness. >> she wasn't. >> because you call that person first doesn't mean this is your star witness. >> because someone may be outstanding or

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and how did it make you feel? >> well, what went through my mind was first impression was that i thought that it was an accurate verdict and the next thing that went through my mind was how hard i know that they -- the ladies worked to reach that verdict and, you know, that they -- proud of them for putting -- looking at the evidence and doing what they had to do to come up with the verdict. >> and what was your reaction when you found out that you were an alternate? >> disappointed. i had a feeling i might have been an alternate because of where i was sitting but would have liked to have been in the room with the five ladies and had a chance to talk about it and, you know, you couldn't talk about it the whole time we were together and would have been a great time to sit down and get their thoughts and what did they see? what did i see? you know, to compare and deliberate.

i wish i had an opportunity. >> in the very beginning, when i watched it, seems as though you're tired but as days went on your energy picked up. >> i was tired the first day. and i don't know why. maybe just because it was the opening statements. but i really focused on the witnesses, the questionings. i really wanted to make sure that i didn't miss anything. that was, you know, that could have made a difference between which way the verdict went and, you know, it's just -- the energy picks up when the trial -- as the trial's going on. the end of the weeks got a little bit draining but -- >> did you ever get bored, lose your focus? >> no. it was just too much going on there to do that. i could have never got bored with that. >> what did you do when you were excused? >> immediately after? i went home and kissed my wife

and then sat down and watched the trial until it was over. i wanted to be there the whole time while they were deliberating and be there for them and i just watched it. >> what did you think of all the coverage after that, too? >> expect it. it was -- you know, it was a big, big national event. and didn't surprise me one bit all the coverage that was there. you know, it's interesting. you just don't -- when you're on the jury you're not exposed to any of that. no feeling that was going on out there until i walked out and got home and saw it on tv. >> and what did you think of the six women on the jury? >> i'm proud of herman cain of those six women and the other two, too, i served with. you know, i'd do anything for them. they're like sisters to me. and, you know, i have all the respect in the world for them. >> so did they argue with each other? you have ladies together.

>> i was surprised. there really wasn't any arguing. and there was a lot of comradery, you know, while we were together. and, you know, might have been some things -- maybe a little bit here and there but nothing -- there was no really bickering or arguing going on. >> were there times you were just drained and said, i can't do this anymore and picked each other up? >> no, no. i think we -- i say, no. we never got the sense anybody was drained and couldn't do it but i think we always knew that everybody was there to pick you up if anything did happen but i don't think i saw anybody feel that way. >> i naelt you had a presence up there almost as a protector. tell me about that. >> well, you know, it's -- i guess maybe because i was the big guy, the only guy, too. but you know, i'm -- they're ladies to me.

and i don't want anything to happen to them. just the way i am. you know? and so, you know, yeah, i look out for them any way i had to. >> what was it like sequestered, especially with the family? >> it was tough being away from your family. the good thing is the way they handled it with visits. we were able to have visits every sunday. and when we had fourth of july off, we had a visit on that day, as well. >> what is your thoughts on al sharpton wanting to get rid of stand your ground law and boycott florida now? >> i don't understand that. actually, it's first i heard of al sharpton wanting to -- >> stand your ground law. >> stand your ground law. you know? you know, we didn't do anything wrong. you know? the jury did what they were asked to do. and that was to interpret the law they were given and review the evidence and make a decision based on that. they did everything they're

asked to do and they're supposed to do and i don't understand that. you know? stand your ground, stand your ground, to me, i don't think stand your ground was an issue in this case. it was justifiable use of deadly force but i don't think it's the same thing. >> coming up, much more from one of the jurors who the prosecution and defense selected. he has more to say and hear more from the legal panel and is the justice department doing something unusual with the george zimmerman case and all about politics? about politics? we'll tell you what doj i want to make things more secure.

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we're back with the legal panel and jim, first to you, this is why i get so enraged at people who are so uninformed about the jury system and how hard jurors work in every single trial. the second guessers. this man just said, i really focused on the witnesses, the questioning. i didn't want to miss anything.

and shame on anybody out there who's trashing this jury verdict and thinks that he can second guess it and say it's wrong. we should say thank you to this jury and jurors on every and appalling. maybe you don't feel the same way i do. >> hi, greta. i do. i have my own critiques about the law but they didn't choose to be there. they were picked by prosecutors and defense attorneys, sworn in we the judge. they deserve nothing but respect for what they did. on cases that i lost or didn't get the verdict i wanted, i'd look at myself because i picked the jurors, i put on the best case i could. people ought to look at themselves like the prosecutors in this case and not attacking the defendant or these jurors. i find it despicable to attack the particular jurors. they were picked to be there. they didn't volunteer for the duty. >> deb, diana, i'm upset with the attorney general of the united states. he's a lawyer. he -- fbi already said that they have investigated this.

according to the "miami herald" and no evidence george zimmerman is a racist and he's just fueling this, stirring up people as we heard what that juror said and that's every single juror in all these cases, whether it's the o.j. simpson case or this one. they work hard and that's the thanks they get. >> yeah. no. i totally agroo e with you, greta. you can tell and this is what i find in every single big, serious case like this. by the end of it, it's not usually i want to be on the jury but by the end of it, they're invested. they're connected with each other. they're connected with the process. they want to do the right thing. and the reality is, you could get six people plucked out of many different parts of florida and get many different verdicts in this case. that doesn't mean this one's the wrong one. it just is the one that they came up with and worked at it really hard. >> ted, alan durshowitz is

enraged by the prosecutor and they nekted to talk about the fight between trayvon martin and zimmerman. there were facts left out of it. it was dirty. the more it goes on and now for people to take this further and want to investigate this man further and stir up trouble. >> well, you know, i take a different look at it. i'll tell you why. i don't think it's so much stirring up trouble. i do believe that there perhaps in some prosecutorial misconduct in this case but also if we remember in the rodney king, there was a not guilty verdict and then a civil rights -- >> police officers. he is not a police officer. >> but i understand that. but i do believe that the naacp and any other group has a right to look in to it. i believe that -- >> i think they can -- >> holder can say what he wants to say. >> they have a right to do it but when you have a chance to look at the evidence and if your own fbi have said, if your own investigators said to me, you know, that there's no evidence

of racism -- >> who gave fox news alert the other night? ted williams. i said that there's not going to be any civil rights investigation. there's not going to be a civil rights prosecution and whistling in the wind with that. >> but then why is it attorney general holder asking -- >> you ever heard of politics? ever heard the word politics? >> the attorney general is the chief law enforcement officer and you and i both know -- bernie knows him. he was a judge in the supreme court. there's a lot of racism in the criminal justice system. we saw it down at superior court. this isn't the instance. >> listen to the juror. the issue of race didn't come up at all with this juror or the jurors who decided the case but i guess when's troubling and i liked the attorney general as a u.s. attorney, a judge, right down the middle but what happens here is giving people hope and exec takes that this is going to happen. >> right. >> this case is over. it's over civilly. over civil rights. over criminally. >> wouldn't it be that he has

the courage? we all know it. why doesn't he have the courage to do that? >> the fbi did 40 interviews. this is going to hurt but the case is over. if you didn't like the verdict, this's the verdict. the system worked. >> nothing to do with courage. it's politics. >> but i expect more from eric holder because i knew him as a judge when he had courage. >> he is in the political mainstream now, greta. >> we have more of the interview with the alternate so let's listen to it. >> how much did you know about the case before all of this? >> well, i knew what i said i knew in my jury selection. i knew a little bit. i knew the incident happened. i knew that george zimmerman was charged for -- initially not charged for anything. and then later he was charged by the state after investigation. and, you know, i knew that there

was some demonstrations and protests that i think urged on the investigation. but about the extent of it. >> back then, i mean, did you support a person's right to carry with the permit? >> i don't have any problem with that. with a permit. it's lawfully using and carrying a firearm is fine. >> and what was your reaction to west's knock-knock joke? >> my reaction before he even -- once he started the joke, i was all to myself i wasn't going to laugh no matter what it was. how good it was. with all due respect to don west, i didn't have a problem with that. i didn't have a problem with holding back the laughter because it was not a good joke. and i don't care what he says about it, his presentation. it was not a presentation but not a good joke and doesn't seem appropriate to me. >> in bad taste? >> in bad taste, yeah.

>> what about the interaction between the judge and the defense? what did you think of that? >> you know, i don't have any thoughts on that. that to me is just -- it's part of, you know, trial. and, you know, i don't -- i don't know what it was all about. i just know, you know, that there was, you know, that she was firm with him. and, you know, but, you know, i don't have any other feelings about that. >> what did you think about opening and closing arguments? >> well, you know, i think the opening arguments kind of set the tone for and closing arguments for the state. >> yeah. >> for the fact -- >> i should say opening statements, closing armee ining >> they set the tone for how they were going to approach the

case. and at the end, john geiss closing arguments with trying to focus on the heart and the feelings of the jurors, you know, it wasn't going to affect me. you know? i think i was more -- more in touch with what the defense's -- with the details and that was what i was there to focus on were the details. >> how they presented the details going through each witness at the very end or what was it that got you? >> well, it was just the fact they focused on the details. i think what struck me more was the way that the state presented no details. no evidence. you know? that could support their position. >> and did you think they needed to curse in openings? >> no. i didn't think that was appropriate. you know? those comments to me had

nothing -- no bearing at all on the outcome of my decision in the case. but i know the other fact was that he was trying to get -- he was -- there was just a different approach to get the people's decision. >> are you concerned for your safety? >> yeah. i am. i wanted to show my face today because i wanted my ladies to see my face and let them know i was here and stood out here for them. but, you know, it's just not -- i think it's too early yet so, yeah, i'm still concerned. >> concerned for the other jurors? >> absolutely. >> have you talked to them since? >> no. >> you plan to? >> i hope so one day. i hope we can. i mean, i did send them an e-mail. immediately after the verdict to let them know i was proud of them and stood by their decision. let them know that i was there with them. so i did reach out to them that way. >> did they respond at all? >> a couple of them have.

>> do you want to share that? >> no. that's between us. >> okay. what's it feel like to be finished with this? >> it's gratifying. it's -- i mean, it's -- you know, it's -- it was a long five weeks. a longer three weeks while we were there. and but, you know, it's not really over yet. it's still going on. you know? until i feel safe and finally feel safe, until the other jurors feel safe, it's not over yet. >> is there a message you want to put out there, people who are upset with the verdict regarding peace, racial tensions? >> you know, i understand there's anger and hatred out there in the world but, you know, should be focused -- focus it where it needs to be focused on and not the people who had to make this decision. >> would you do this all over again? >> absolutely. this is the responsibility that i welcome. >> right back with the legal

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test test test test too early to show his face. it is absolutely appalling. we let the jurors be terrorized after he does this -- you know, after he serves on the jury. almost cruel what we're doing and then he says at the end, would he do it again? he says, in spite of his fear, yes, because it's my responsibility. what's everybody else, screaming about the work and not everybody. i'm appalled at the people disrespectful. >> well, i'm glad you bring it up. listen. we have talked about the issues of the case and issues of race and the system. but what we should say loud and clearly is these jurors are honorable people who took an oath, you wifulfilled the oath have a gripe, move to change the system. move to get jurors of 12. move to change the law of

manslaughter. do attack these people. it is disgusting and undermines the work of prosecutors i'll say to people. prosecutors rely upon jurors to be willing to have the guts and patriotism to serve so you're really doing the system a huge disservice feeding in to that. >> speaking of prosecutors, we have this here that alan durshowitz. he said about the knock-knock joke, he was serious. >> he was so disciplined and anticipated this guy to invoke some laughter. west, he's a lot of things but one thing he's not is funny. knock-knock joke and front row is trayvon's mother and father. >> with a dead child. >> what viewers should know, superior court jurors paid $40 a day. and they need to buy their own lunch. get transportation. not to mention all the headaches of child care and work and

everything. it's really a slave's work. >> there's something i need to say because this segment started off wrong. bottom line is i knew there was one juror and talking of emphasizing his expressions as the -- during the cross-examination and examination by the lawyer. bernie picked up on that. however, having said that, i have to tell you, i was concerned about some things with this juror. he kept calling zimmerman by the first game, george, he also said that he had some concern about george and i'm wondering how much concern he had about trayvon martin as he went through this process. >> look. this is a tragedy. a young man was shot and died. but a trial is whether or not a crime has been committed, has been committed by this person, beyond a reasonable doubt. and, you know, and that's what the juror is supposed to do. the jury makes that determination. it's not about the pain we all feel that someone died and you should feel pain and not the job. i'm taking the last word on

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doj asking americans to e mail tips and information on the george zimmerman case. is there a problem with that? karl rove joins us. >> you thought it's had an impact on a lot of people this, trial. >> yes. i am troubled by the holder's comments, attorney general holder's comments and troubled about, after a normal, ordinary case, law enforcement, local laement would ask for comments and it would ask for information from eye witnesses and so forth, tip lines we're used to that stuff. crime stoppers and so forth but that is at the beginning of the process. it's not at the end point of a -- of the court's action and deliberation s of the jury we do this. if this looks political. looks like they're stretching and looks like they want to go get this guy after a jury found him not guilty. it does not leave a good

impression skpismts also dumb. i mean, people say it's being done for politics maybe for politics but maybe it's being done in order to stir up part of the democratic base in order to reassure african american community we're with you and going to go get them. on the other hand this is a nation of laws and i have yet to hear vm serious lawyers on your program and others say that they think there is likely to be cause found for an action. we had 40 some odd interviews is the fbi so incompetent at the beginning of the process that somehow or another they missed something? >> thing that is troubling to me is attorney general holder he used to be down here in superior court. for 12 years i represented poor african americans around the clock. that was 99% miff cases, were african americans. there is racism in the system. and eric holder knows that. this snot the problem when you

have a hispanic out there. this is a terrible thing that happened to trayvon martin and his family, so sort of put the lid on and knows fbi says there is no racism to let this stew when we know there are problems in the system. go fix those. >> two days ago he went to an african american meeting and said i share your concerns about the outcome of the case. this is chief law enforcement officer, the officer of the court. ultimate court. he has a responsibility to calm the situation not pour gasoline on the fire chz is, i think what he's done. unfortunate for him, importantly, unfortunate for the country. >> greta: where does this lead us? there is not going to be a six rights action. nobody think that's but in the big picture? political? >> this is where i don't get it. at the end of the day, we are some 15 months before an election. 14 months before an election. if there is no action how does

the african community feel? they have an african american president spoke about this in deeply personal terms referring to trayvon martin as if i had a son he'd look like trayvon martin. attorney general says i share your concerns give me all of your tips. what happens if the end of this when nrkts african american community if they don't take action or action and it doesn't pan out? >> greta: no idea we'll find out, karl, thank you. >> you bet. >> greta: coming up more of the interview everybody will the interview everybody will be talkinge dla enar iinout.methrementgh tfor os for e

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