>> gretchen: kicking off the soldier ride here. tomorrow, all summer concert series, cody simpson will be performing. >> brian: the wounded warriors might have left, but didn't leave without first making their logo on the cement. >> steve: miss usa in the after the show show. see you back here tomorrow. bull * is the irs scandal tied directly to the white house? that's what republicans will try to prove today. you will hear from the two irs officials for the first time under oath when they go public and we are waiting for that. good morning. martha: i'm martha maccallum in london. but first what could be an uncomfortable hearing for the white house today. one current and one former irs employee will tell america what

they know. bill: the lead republican claims this leads to the white house. steven hayes, good morning to you. you say this is a big development. what can republicans prove now do they believe? >> i believe this is quite a significant development. you have three irs officials by name on the record saying william wilkins, an obama administration appointee knew about the targeting of conservative groups. this contradicts something the white house said in may when they said it was done by low-level employees in cincinnati. bill: if you are going to try to place this inside the white house, you would think if the chief counsel was appointed by the president you expect him to know what's going on?

is that the theory? >> it gets it close. what republicans want to found out is what conversations wilkins had with the white house and treasury officials about this targeting. those are legitimate questions. i suspect we'll learn more about them today where members of congress are talking to people who worked for him. bill there are beginning you said that's not what the white house said originally. what do you mean? >> it's not what the white house said originally. when the story first broke the white house was clear this was a rogue agency in cincinnati. this was done by bureaucrats and didn't have any relevance or ties to the white house. we learned over the course of several months and particularly today, this does get closer to the white house. we don't know that the white house directed this or other claims some republicans have made. but this gets us closer.

it contradicts what the white house said earlier. bill: you are saying this is a possibility this waits irs said to the white house meaning they could have been misled by the leading agency irs in the first place. >> it will be interesting to watch the white house reaction as this part of the story unfold. the white house by telling the american people they didn't have anything to do with it, there were no ties, this wasn't done out of washington. now it seem clear it was done out of washington. an obama administration appointee was notified of what was going on. if you are the white house and that you have been told by irs officials would i expect the white house to show to outrage. bill: steven hayes, thank you, out of washington. martha: there have been many

developments since this story inquiries broke it started three years ago when the irs began inappropriately screening conservative groups who applied for tax exempt status. 500 groups fell into that net and they were subjected to unfair and overly burdensome questioning. what books they were reading, in some cases they were asked what they were quote praying for. very bizarre stuff. some of these groups with tea party or patriot in their name waited three years to have their applications processed while two elects came and went. bill: these witnesses expected to detail how involved lois lerner was in targeting the conservative groups applications for fax exempt status. remember lois lerner the last time she testified before

congress she took the fifth. >> because i'm asserting my right not to testify many people will assume i have done something wrong, i have not. one of the basic functions of the fifth amendment is to protect invent individuals and that's what i'm doing today. bill: learn lerner underpaid leave because she refused to resign. later this morning here on our program the chair of today's hearing is congressman darrell issa, how high does he believe the orders went to target the tea party? he will be our guest this morning. martha: the senate could vote on a compromise bill to keep it rates on student loans from spiking. stuart varney joins me on that. >> reporter: this rolls back

the recent spike in student loan rates. get a college loan, the rate will be 3.5% and there will be caps on how high rate can go in the future. headline number two, not good news for taxpayers because the subsidies roll on. these are taxpayer subsidized student loans. it does nothing about the rising cost of college or the lack of jobs for student when they graduate from college and we have an 11 per delinquency rate -- 11% delinquency rate on the outstanding student loans. martha: we learned about the student loan debacle turning into a housing-type situation.

>> it does not address the underlying problem which is the very high cost of college. and the lack of good jobs for when student graduate from college. essentially this move is a punt. students will get low interest loans for a couple years. then the rates will begin to rise. so you are punting for a couple of years. you are making it fairly easy for students to get those loans at a low rate in the immediate future. but the underlying problem high cost of college, no food jobs and that 11 per dle -- that 11%y rate lingers. bill: they are federally turned student loans provided to student through the department of education available to title 4 eligible schools. first year dependent undergrads

can get up to $5,500 in that loan. martha: jobless benefit applications fell last week. they were down to 334,000. the numbers have been consistently below that 375,000 so that is good news and that should signal steady hiring. bill: it's hot out there. they are talking about dozens of states that are well above 90 degrees today. you have got damaging winds and hail, possible stayed and a of will plow into the summer's heat wave we have seen in 2013. that's some deep hughs of orange and red behind you. good morning to you. >> reporter: we are talk

temperatures already into the 90s very early into the day. i want to point out yesterday's high temperatures we saw. your actual high temperature was 96 degree. then you add a couple degrees because it's so humid. in detroit, michigan the heat index in the afternoon was 105 degree. today we are expecting more hot temperatures. 96 will be the high. add in the humidity and talk a look at the forecast heat indk value. it will feel like 100 in new york city. 102 degree will be what it feels like in solutio in st. louis. we are starting to see the impact of this system by basically a slight chance of severe storm that will be see

today. tomorrow that of starts to dip down. parts ofn will be seeing it and by saturday the entire northeast shaded in yellow because they have a chance to see strong to severe thunderstorms. damaging winds, large hail. the good news, temperatures. new york city, rotat -- the rotw low 80s. bill: the heat wave is causing major illnesses. the body normally cooling itself by perspiration but in some conditions the sweat isn't enough. high body temperatures can damage the brain and body organs. the young children up to age 4, people 65 and older, those who are overweight or on certain medications.

be warned, stay cool, america. martha: we are trying to pick up cues in london from the royal family. the fact that william extended his stay in bucklebury seems to indicate the birth may be imminent. he was supposed to head back to his raf duty but we are learning he is still in bucklebury. that would tell us there is no reason to think we are still days or weeks perhaps away from this. so we are watching his movement very closely. there were royal helicopters in the area that got people buzzing but he seems to be staying put. back in town the odds makers are getting so many bets on the baby's sex. people are betting on the name, the hair color, ginger is what they call red hair which would be like harry. those odds are 6-1.

also what color kate will wear when she walk out with the baby. but they have so many bets coming in they had to suspend the betting because they were overwhelmed by it. we have been talking about the press coverage over here. i want to show you a little bit of what's going on. this is the kind of magazine cover you see all over london. there are pages a to z about what to expect, what sort of pram the baby will have. this is the big story yesterday. this is queen elizabeth. this all over the papers because she basically came out and a little girl said do you think it's going to be a boy or girl. she said i don't much mind but i would like them to get on with it because i'm trying to go on vacation. this came from zara the first cousin. she afound she is pregnant.

bill: the queen mum need a holiday, don't we all. new backlash over this magazine cover shot. the boston bombing suspect. what some americans companies are doing to protest this. martha: the house voting to delay two parts of healthcare. what it means for you? >> we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy.

bill: a new development in the fight over obama-care. the house voting to delay two major components of the law. understand requirement for big companies 50 and more. and the one for individuals.

the republicans arguing this is the fair thing to do. >> during the consideration of obama-care then speake speaker i said you had to pass the bill to know what many tonight. we believe individuals should be treated the same. we know obama-care will harm our healthcare, raise our costs. that's what you are seeing today in a bipartisan move inside congress. bill: they did have some democrats vote with them. welcome back here. good morning to you. what did this vote accomplish? >> sending a clear message that americans believe this is not a workable law. the more we know about it the more we know it's too expensive to afford it's too cumbersome on business and too difficult to implement. we had 25 democrats join us and

22 in delaying the individual mandate. bill: you are making the case if big business doesn't have to do it every day americans don't have to comply. because big business has been delayed a year. >> that's correct. the president can't pick and choose what he wants to implement, delay or defend. we are saying this is not workable and people don't want it. they are delaying it for a year. we took the action legislatively which has to be done. only congress can delay that law because congress is who passed that law. and delaying it for employers and individual is the fair thing to do and that's the action we took. and democrats joined us. bill: this goes nowhere in the democratic-led senate. >> i'm not so sure about that. bill: tell me why. >> the democrats in the senate are looking at this saying the

president said the employer mandate needed to be delayed and he's trying to do it by executive order which he doesn't have the authority to do and the individual mandate if you delay it for big business you have got to side with everyday americans and delay it for them also. it many the right step to take. we know that this is driving up insurance costs. we don't want individuals having to pay this penalty and face higher prices in exchanges. so making the delay we think the senate will join us in this and then send it to the president. i think that's what's going to be underring to see. if the president will concur with us in matching what he wanted to do by executive order and what we have done legislatively. but we do anticipate the senate taking this up and taking action. bill: do you think you can put

enough pressure on democrats in the senate to get this through, then i guess the president wouldn't need that, right? he gave an exam shun, he has five months according to the law the end of december, 2013 to make any changes he wants. the big business changes made and you think this could be enough to force his hand again? >> yes, we do. the other thing is public opinion. i was looking at some polling results this morning. you have got 66% of the american public who believe -- they are worried about the impact this is going to have. they think it's going to have a negative impact on their healthcare access. their healthcare delivery. and so you are looking at an increase -- in the past year it's gone from 51% to 66% of all americans. people know this is not having a positive impact and it's not going to have a positive outcome

for them. so therefore they are saying stop it before it starts. bill: a lot of republicans say it's an opportunity to chip away at the law. >> that's right. >> thank you for your time. >> absolutely, thank you. martha: new reaction from the parent of trayvon martin in the george zimmerman trial. miewtrial. mike huckabee joins us. bill: a boycott against "rolling stone" mag soon. the editor is accused of glamourizing an accused american terrorist. >> i was surprised and disgusted. i thought it was irresponsible of rolling stone to put that picture on the cover of that magazine. >> i don't think he's a victim. i think he's a product of his own beliefs and ideals.

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shot of the accused boston marathon bomb. now some companies are refusing to sell the issue in their stores. what are people saying about this? >> reporter: it's easy to find people who are upset about this. the "boston herald" saying "dumb as a rock." they say it reward a terrorist with celebrity treatment. do the survivors of the boston marathon attacks deserve coverage? >> the survivors and first responders. why are we glorifying a guy who

created mayhem in the city of boston. i'm in touch with the publishers to tell them how i feel about it. >> reporter: many retailers are pulling the august issue from their shelves, including cvs. they say they believe it's the right decision out of respect for the victims of the attack and their loved ones. martha: rolling stone has gotten a ton of attention. what is their response to this outrage? >> the editors put out a statement saying their hearts go out to the victims but this cover story falls within the traditions of journalism and the fact that dzhokhar tsarnaev is young and the same age group as many of our readers makes it important to gain a complete understanding how a tragedy like this happened.

of course, a lot of people are not happy with that cover shot. bill: more in this next hour. also big labor is a big obama supporter. but unions showing signs of regret for obama-care. we'll ask a key democratic senator whether he's concerned about the rollout of this law. man: the charcoal went out already? ... forget it.

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martha: house republicans voting to delay two key provisions in president obama's healthcare law that require all americans to buy understand by next year. this move comes after the obama administration announced they would delay the employer mandate until 2015. meanwhile some of the law's staunchest supporters are calling for big changes in the law. 3 of the nation's top unions have sent a lower the democratic party leader saying this. we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the affordable care act that will destroy the health and well being of our members along with millions of other hard working americans. that's from the union. nor jo -- senator joe manchin js me. this is a strongly worded message from the unions. you have a lot of unions in your

state. do you think they feel this way? >> something has to be done with healthcare, but people have to be held accountable and responsible for their own health. one size doesn't fit all. so what we are looking at, how do we put responsibility. but on the other hand they are saying if you have 50 or fewer you don't have to belong. if you are larger, are they putting more people on part time now because the penalty is not going to be passed on and the government will pick it up for taxpayers? there is a lot of things unanswered. a lot of questions people have been asking and it's got to be addressed and fixed. martha: i wonder if the unions are looking back at the beginning of this process saying they wish they had listened to what some of the critics for saying. all along the critic were saying this would force companies to push people to part time so they

wouldn't have to cover them. that seems to be the biggest contention point unions are screaming and yelling about. >> as americans we don't like to be told what to do. that's been the hard thing for all of us. in west virginia, our preamble, we have a hard time understanding that. how do we get people in a healthy lifestyle, how do we give them incentives. obama-care was a carrot stick and penalty. the unions i understand worked with what they thought was moving in a direction and now they might be getting caught in a quid pro quo. are they going to say wait a minute. we had people with full coverage before and now they are only working 29 hours and they will be thrown on the back of the taxpayers and wouldn't have insurance plans we negotiated for. that puts them in a dilemma.

martha: what happens on this now? what are your constituentsing you to do when you talk to them about the affordable care act? do they say we want this repealed, or are they thinking some changes around the edges will fix it for them? what are they talking about? >> i think we'll be needing more than just changes. this is not just a trim job. in west virginia we got our financial house in order. we worked hard. we were disciplined in doing that. i think people understand you can't have things you can't pay for. this is a bigger, costlier program than people intended and it has far-reaching tentacles. can you make it workable? we want people that are going uninsured to have insurance but necessity ought to also have the responsibility of being healthy. just not having unlimited access

to healthcare that will drive up costs, but basically incentives and rewards. temperature. this is what we talked about and how our families taught us to be responsible and contribute back. that's the thing that has to be done here. you can't penalize and take away from doing that. >> it seems like -- i also want to ask you about no labels. you are part of a group of senators and congressman who are trying to reach across the aisle to get things done. healthcare could be one area where there could be room for a lot of leadership. foaks on either side don't seem interested in negotiating on that. how is that going? >> it's going great. it's the only venue in washington that brings people together that are concerned more about their crown dry than they are about their political party. it's the on thing i know of and

it's growing by leaps and bounds. we have people from all over the country coming in today. this is not heavy lifting. this is low-hanging fruit. the general accounting office said if you have four agencies doing the same thing don't you think we ought to consolidate versus duplicating? just make it work. not chastising either political party. just bringing people together to make things happen. we rolled out 9 good cost-saving initiatives. martha: i think the issue of duplication in washington is something we have been hear being for most of my lifetime. if you can get something done on that front you will have a lot of bipartisan support where that's concerned. it's always a pleasure to talk with you and we'll see you soon. >> she said they will put pressure on senate democrats. we'll see. a great grandmother staring down

an armed robber. she refused to budge when a crook pulled a knife on her. >> i said i'm not opening up that cash register. that's it. i'm not opening it. i said you can have all the tootsie rolls you want but i'm not opening that cash register. i said i'll press a button and i'll have somebody here in seconds. i said i think you have got to punishment coming. it will be a little bit more than scrubbing the floor. she held the thief at bay until he noticed a security camera. that's when he polite. police are look for the bad guy. martha: there is a hash tag great kate wait on twitter getting a ton of activity. we are looking at it in the morning and seeing what's going

on. but there are a lot of folks on the streets getting impatient which must be hard for this woman you see pictured here to deal with. here is some of what's being said on the streets of london today. >>'s special occasion for a royal baby. royal babies do not grow on trees. it's a special baby. >> hopefully we'll know when it's happening though nothing is happening at the moment. just to be here really to lend support. >> the baby will come friday or saturday because the queen wants to go away. martha: we'll get you some of that head gear. bill: lovely. nice touch. the great kate wait. i want to free martha maccallum. you are locked in london for i don't know how long. i'm going to start a campaign to

free martha. thank you, martha. talk to you between. the parent of trayvon martin have gone public now. a number of interviews earlier today speaking publicly for the first time since the verdict. governor mike huckabee on the lesson he wishes people could learn from the grieving parents. martha: imagine this ... you head home and you realize your house is no longer there. a mess of epic proportions now a town with a lot of explaining to do. >> we came around silver creek and we were looking for the lot and my wife said the house is gone. we looked up there and sure enough, it's gone.

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martha: a city in texas is investigating how demolition crews knocked count wrong house. the three bedroom ranch-style home is gone when crews were

given orders to tear the house next door down. >> we walked around the slab and it was smooth. as we left, i saw two city margs on patrol. i said what happened? somebody tore down our house. he says that was your house? it's an accident, let's just move on with it. bill: good luck for them. tracy martin and sybrina fulton went public about their son. they were asked about race. >> you believe this was racial profiling and this happened because of that?

>> we didn't know of details about the case. we knew some of them. but some of the details came out in the courtroom as far as previous 911 calls and i think it was, you know, obvious their was a black person, a black young person that they were looking for. but trayvon simply was not that person. trayvon was not a burglar. he wasn't doing anything wrong. he simply went to the store and was head back home. for somebody to look at him and perceive him to be a burglar, that is the problem that up initiated everything. bill: governor mike huckabee my guest. sir, good morning to you. it's almost as if they were asked if race was a factor and she would not go there. they have been an absolute

model. >> they have, bill. they have comported themselves with an extraordinary level of class and dignity. as a parent i can't even begin to imagine the pain parent feels when you have to bury your child. so whatever emotion they might have expressed i could have given them all the leeway in the world yet i think they have risen above any peck takes. they have shown themselves to be people of great faith, great character. how anybody could find anything other than comfort in their words is a beyond me. even in the response directly after the verdict, did they go to streets and demand marches? no, they went to the church and prayed. i wish the reverend al sharpton could have exhibited that same

spirit. some are he can moisturing the tragedy for their own purposes. i do understand how people are frustrated. he was a teenaged boy unarmed. he was killed. shouldn't somebody have to pay something for that? i understand that. sometimes it's hard to understand the law of what it is to what we think it should be. but the unique thing here is the people who have the most right to complain and to be very vocal about the injustices of the justice system, namely the parent of trayvon martin have shown the most sense of perspective and i think they have been a model of how people respond to their own grief. bill: al sharpton is calling for rallies in 100 cities this weekend. i'll met the airport won't show

up. >> he's calling for rallies in which he will be the centerpiece of them. they are not about trayvon or the parent or justice. they are:al sharpton and that's unfortunate. even those calling for toy cots, people ought to boycott florida, stevie wonder has called for that. the foolishness of all that is the state of florida prosecuted george zimmerman. they did what they reasonably could do. it was a jury within the system that decided he wasn't guilty as charged. we don't always like the verdicts. a lot of people didn't like the o.j. simpson verdict. there was a blackman allegedly killed two people but i don't remember al sharpton was outraged and called it a race crime. it was a horrible tragedy. a young man died who shouldn't have died. that's something we won't be able to bring back.

but the parents have done something spectacular. bill: alan dershowitz had pointed comments about the attorneys for the state. he said angela barrishould be disbarred. what happened when tornd said we have to respect the verdict and move on. >> alan dershowitz was unbelievably candid as he tend to be. but he excoriated the prosecutor not on for what he thought was inappropriate behavior on her part withholding important evidence from the defense team. but then her reaction which really kind of goes against the dignity of the court, the dignity of the justice system. once it's over, lawyers whether they won or lost are basically

to suck it up and be goo sports and say good game we did our best, that's all we can do. bill: we'll see you soon. we'll see you this weekend as well. martha: waiting a potential bombshell hearing into the irs scandal coming up in a very short time. the chairman of the committee on what he expects us to hear today from high-level executives at that office in cincinnati. big stuff coming up soon. sizzling temperatures. when are we going to get some relief from the heat out there. we'll be right back. nature's true celebrities

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martha: ever wonder how many calories are in that beer or glass of wine? but possibly coming soon in an alcoholic beverage near you nutrition ag --nutritional labe. do we really need this? >> reporter: the government sometimes just does what they are going to do no matter what the consumer wants. on pasta you can look and see the carbs and total fat. but how about labels on something like this, beer. it could be on wine. also even on spirits. even at restaurants like here at louie's. it could be required right now. the federal government says they

can it on their bottles but it's voluntary at this point while the feds consider whether to make it mandatory. people we talked to said they didn't mind the idea, others said it won't influence their decision. >> i don't want to know how many calories are in my drink. i just want to dringt and relax. >> lots of calories tonight, you might say i'll just have a soda. >> when i go to a restaurant i don't always think about that because it's not offered. >> reporter: it was proposed in 2007. this is volunteer and it could be mandatory. martha: as we are learning from those folks you talked to, not everybody supports this. >> reporter: brewries think it's ridiculous. because they have so many

different beers. wineries and spirit company, restaurants, they would have to put it on the menus. you are talking with having to put nutritional information there. they also say it's complicated because there are so different ways and so many different thing you would have to try to get it right and if you are wrong you could get in trouble. they are absolutely against this. >> they will fight this every inch of the way. companies don't like to disclose their products may contain preservatives, playerings, foam enhancers in beer. there are all kind of things companies use to doctor their product. >> reporter: when you talk to the feds they say they want to make labeling more consistent, according to the fed. martha: put me in the rather not

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martha: well, president obama will defend his health care law today just one day after house republicans voted to delay two major components of the bill. the individual and the employer mandate which the president had already kicked into gear. the president's attempting to renew support for obamacare out there as criticism grows on both sides of the aisle now. >> these union leaders say it not only is going to be bad for health care, but they say it's going to be bad for jobs. it will actually harm the 40-hour workweek that the union community has been about for so long in this country. it is going to be bad for working families. we've got common ground now between democratic union leaders, between the white house

who says that this thing is not ready and republicans. so let's move forward with this common ground. martha: welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum live in london. bill: hello again, martha, i'm belle hemmer -- bill hemmer live here in new york. this is the 38th time republicans have voted on obamacare. it's not expected, some argue, to pass the democratic-controlled senate, but marsha blackburn made a strong case last hour that, indeed, it could. but many outspoken supporters are joining the chorus of critics now, martha. martha: yeah, bill, that is exactly right. let's bring in brent baer, anchor, of course, of "special report." bret, good morning to you. this letter has provided some pretty useful fodder to the gop, and it's a tough one for the white house to look the other way on. >> yeah. in fact, that's probably one of the reasons the president is out today with another speech. you'll remember leading up to the health care law he gave a

ton of speeches, more than two dozen i think, trying to get that law passed, the bill passed to become law. now he'll try to shore up what has become a crumbling pr campaign about obamacare. he will talk about lowering premiums in states that are guesstimating premiums will be lower in new york, oregon and california. he'll talk about rebates being sent out by insurance companies. but he's not going to talk about, likely, the unions and their objections. he's not going to talk about the 35 democrats in the house that voted against what the white house wanted them to vote on the employer mandate. 22 democrats voted against the individual mandate for this delay. so you're seeing a lot of parts of this law challenged, and it's not just republicans even though a lot of people say, you know, 38 votes to repeal, essentially, health care, what is that really

doing? martha: yeah. you know, bret, we heard from jay carney talking about how people are starting to get rebates from insurance companies, you know, it remains to be seen how large those are or what the real meaning of those is in the big picture here. but it begs the question whether or not they are not focusing on some very real concerns that a number of groups now, an increasing number of groups now seem to have about this whole thing. >> yeah. there are a lot of cracks in the obamacare as a whole. the union letter about the concerns they have about the 40-hour workweek, about middle class families taking it on the chin, about being able to get out and get a different doctor as the president promised you could keep your doctor, it doesn't look like to these unions that that is going to be the case. you also have the question about these insurance premiums in these states. in new york, for example, there's already state

regulations, a ton of them, that require insurance for all the people that submit applications. so because of the unique regulations in new york and california and, i believe, oregon those premiums are going to be lowered. republicans are pointing to a state like ohio where they estimate that individual premiums could go up some 88%. martha: yeah. all right, bret, thank you verye president has to say on this later today. looks like a bit of scrambling going on in some regards. we'll see you tonight. bill: certainly will. also, a wildfire raging out of control and forcing evacuations in southern california. the explosive flames threatening several mountain resort communities near palm springs. about 6,000 people being told to pack up and get out of there. neighbors say they've never seen it like this before. >> this is hard because it's so big. there's not anything people can do about it. you just have to sit and look at

it. my daughter got burned out. everything she had was in it. people have brought clothes, they've brought everything, and they've taken up donations for her. >> are as you can see behind us, the fire's still very, very active. we have active burning in the north and the northeast. >> we're trying to take out any heat in the black area, the already-burned area, so that doesn't cross our todayer line in -- dozer line in some areas and get back in the green. bill: there are about 2,000 firefighters working that blaze. triple-digit temperatures, dry conditions, a lot of shifting winds. crews have it about 15% contained at last check. martha: well, so far 2013 has been a really active year for wildfires. firefighters across the country have already contained 194 wildfires. they've burned more than two million acres of land across the country. that's far less than in 2006 when in mid july wildfires scorched more than four million

acres. bill: sizzling temperatures now punishing a lot of people in the country. millions of you across the plains and northeast are sweating it out. some of the highest temperatures we've seen, for that matter. supposed to hit well into the 90s in a number of states, and with the humidity, it are feel even hotter. david lee miller is live in lower manhattan now. this weather's going on nor five days -- for five days now, starting to take a toll. david lee, good morning. >> reporter: it is hot, bill. there are now 130 million people in some 22 states, plus washington, d.c., who are being affected by this ongoing heat wave. we are now in battery park city, and to give you some idea where that is, as we pan north, you can see the skyline of the upper west side. this is lower manhattan, this is a beautiful park area, but for the most part it is pretty deserted. a lot of people deciding to stay indoors today. so far this heat wave has caused at least one death.

authorities say that a man suffering from alzheimer's disease wandered away from his home in kentucky, and he died of a heat-related illness. also in maine a man there has been charged with four counts of child endangering after he allegedly left four of his kids in a parked car despite the fact the temperature there, 97 degrees. those four children all treated for heat exhaustion. here in new york city, bill, hundreds of cooling centers are open, and in case you're wondering, my friend here says it is now just over 90 degrees. it's a little past ten in the morning. we're going to approach 100 by the end of today. bill? bill: wow. it's a dry heat, david lee. the utilities, how are they holding up? a lot of memories from ten years ago about a blackout in the northeast. how are they doing? >> reporter: so far so good. the utilities are advising their customers, though, to take precautions. keep your thermostat at 78 or higher, lower the blinds, don't use those major appliances

during peak hours. but so far here in many new york city con edison, the utility company, says there are no major problems reported. listen. >> we're halfway through without any major disturbances, blackouts, brownouts or anything that our customers would notice up through this point, and we're, i would say, cautiously optimistic that the rest of the week will be the same. >> reporter: con ed says it is now supplying power to some six million air conditioners in the new york city area, and it is very possible, bill, by the end of today we could see a record when it comes to power consumption. utility does say it has a comfortable margin of excess power, and they do not foresee any problems. but new yorker, of course, very concerned that there could be blackouts or brownouts. con ed said so far that's not an issue. bill: like a hair dryer in your

face when you're walking down -- >> reporter: no, bill, i do that to cool off. [laughter] bill: point taken. well done. talk to you later, david lee. thanks. here's martha again. martha: south korea is asking the united states to delay plans to hand over full command of their armed forces. there are more than 28,000 u.s. troops stationed still in south korea, and in the event of a war, the u.s. would be set to take command of south korea's military. that is a responsibility that america assumed after the korean war. but it's set to transfer back to the south koreans in 2015. so if this delay happens, it would be the second time. the last time they delayed was in 2012 following hostilities with the north. bill: related matter now, we're learning more about the stash of weapons that cuba was having shipped to north korea when they were seized in the panama canal earlier in the week. we are told the shipment included soviet air and missile defense systems that could be upgraded as something capable of shooting down modern military

aircraft. the u.n., by the way, prohibits the supply of all weapons to north korea. panama says the crew tried to hide the equipment underneath loads of sugar onboard that ship. we're also hearing reports that during the search and seizure, the captain had a heart attack, and then he tried to commit suicide. martha: wow. all right, well, it is shaping up to be an explosive day today on capitol hill. we are waiting right now for a new hearing on the irs scandal. the two officials from that local office in cincinnati that were blamed for all of this are going to testify under oath, and we expect them to say that it goes higher up in washington. house oversight committee chairman darrell issa will join us, he'll tell us what he expects to hear from the whistleblowers today on capitol hill. bill: that is moments away. also, investigators saying they now know what caused this rocket to crash seconds after liftoff, martha. martha: plus, no money? no problem, folks. how one city is using a wild west fire sale to try to pay

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bill: a home in atlanta burns to the ground after apparently struck by lightning. luckily, no one inside at the time. the neighbor says he saw it happen. >> the lightning hit a tree and, apparently, ran to a propane tank or some type of tank which caused it to, you know, burn even faster. the house had a lot of wood in it. the interior and all, it just was nothing really to stop it. bill: wow. that fire destroyed everything inside the home. fire crews also say lightning struck a nearby tree. martha: we are waiting for what could be a bombshell hearing today if the reports are correct, and it's going to look into the irs targeting scandal.

the agent from that infamous cincinnati office that we heard so much about in the beginning of this will actually get a chance to tell her side of the story before a house committee. now, after the obama administration repeatedly blamed the targeting of these conservative groups on just a couple of rogue agents back in a small office the way it was portrayed in ohio, now we've got to hear from this woman. now, remember, the then-acting irs commissioner, stephen miller, talked about this when he testified back in may. watch. >> people in cincinnati decided let's start grouping these cases, let's centralize these cases. the way they centralized it, troublesome. the concept of centralization, not. and it's not, we're not targeting these people in that sense. martha: well, congressman darrell issa is the chairman of the house committee on oversight and government reform, and he joins me once again now. congressman, welcome. good to have you here. when we listen now to those

words from steven mill or who claims it was these couple of agents, they thought it was a way to cull through these applications, elizabeth hoffacre is about to say something very different today, is she not? >> exactly. she's going to describe how she began the process, she was there early on, and it was quickly sent to washington where the orders continually seemed to come to do what the former acting commissioner called not distressing. you know, the truth is that decisions were made as far as we can tell properly in the beginning, and then this grouping was a way to stop literally hundreds of applications, and you will hear testify that it went to washington, then a washington 48-year career veteran, carter hull, is going to testify that it went from there to high ranking people including the office of the counsel. and is the general counsel is

one of the political appointees at the commission. martha: you know, i find this part really fascinating, congressman, and so carter hull, you know, you've got sort of everybody pointing at the next person up the line here. so elizabeth hoffacre's working in cincinnati, she says, no, no, i got my orders from carter hull in washington. you're going to hear from carter hull and he will testify, no, no, no, i was shocked myself to be getting information and input on this from even higher up, and from what i read, he said it's never happened to him in his whole career that that was the case. >> you're exactly right, martha. and what's so amazing, carter hull is believable because he is a real expert. 48 continuous years of service. this is a person who dedicated his entire life far beyond when he could have retired to doing this and doing it well, and he found himself frustrated. he's going to testify to that. and then we're going to have the inspector general testify

because the minority on the committee would still like to shift from what they can no longer defend, this idea that it was rogues in cincinnati. they want to shift to it was progressives too. and the ig's prepared to talk in detail to the greatest extent possible about what he saw and how he saw this targeting, this grouping and then targeting of hundreds of conservative groups. martha: yeah. well, no doubt they're going to want to know from russell george, the inspector general, why he didn't talk earlier about the fact that progressive groups were also targeted. hopefully, we'll get some of that flushed out and understood in a better way today. i want to go back to carter hull. who will he say directed him to this deeper investigation of these groups that he says was unprecedented in his experience? >> well, he's going to say two, and i won't use the word unprecedented, but the treatment was unprecedented. one, he's going to say lois lerner. you might remember she botched her taking the fifth sometime ago, and we're still dealing with that.

additionally, you're going to hear the office of the counsel and several specific attorneys there, and what's important there is that is most unusual for it to go there, be worked and die and, again, this is one of only two political appointment positions at the irs, and that's a particular concern. it's the reason that we will follow this information to the next series of our interviews. martha: you wonder what the white house response is going to be, because we all remember hearing from jay carney that this was an unfortunate incident and that it went back to these rogue agents in cincinnati. if this woman's story is what you're telling us it is, that's going to make that story appear to not be the case. >> well, there's no question that jay carney has to say what he's told to say and that the inaccuracy eventually gets corrected. but this is another example where the assumption which we could never make and i hope no one makes that somehow it's the first answer is the right

answer, get the facts. it turns out it's not rogue agents in cincinnati, it's not even rogue agents at the next level at the irs, and we need to get to the people really responsible and find out why. martha: yeah. well, the white house has said they want to do that as well, so everybody's going to be watching what these folks testify to today very closely in your hearing. congressman issa, thanks again for being with us today. >> thank you, martha. bill: that hearing coming up later this hour. you know, medical costs can be crazy expensive, but we will show you how you can lower that medical bill if you do one simple thing. we'll tell you what that is. plus, the mayor of the major american city called to resign after a sexual harassment scandal in his town surrounding him. the unusual approach that city is taking to deal with this controversy. >> i'm a hugger of both men and women, and if it turns out that that -- well, as it turns out that those are taken in an

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martha: well, investigators say they now know what brought down a massive russian rocket just seconds after liftoff. they say a stabilization sensor was installed upside down. that'll do it. that sent the rocket crashing down to the earth in this fiery mess. it was carrying hundreds of tons of toxic fuel, we're told, along with a payload of three satellites. russia's space agency says that all installations will now be photographed to record it on video to insure that that never happens again. bill: how to lower your medical bills. apparently, you have to negotiate. it is possible, and gerri willis is anchor of "the willis report"

on the fox business network. gerri, good morning. >> good morning,. bill: bill you're doing a five-part series all week and it's especially relevant given the impact of obamacare and how things will be changing for all of us. you say you can negotiate the price of medical costs. how do you get prepared for that? >> all right. here's what most people don't know, bill, is that prices vary dramatically, 300-500% for the same tests, the same procedure. you need to know what's the average price so you can negotiate from there, right? well, there are two web sites that you can get the information for your area, health care blue book.com, new choice health.com. now, think about this bill. the variation on price on, say, a simple colonoscopy in new york city, $2,000 to $25,000. what's the difference in those two tests? nada, nothing. so you've got to know what the prices are, what the going rate is. the very best time to negotiate is before you even have anything done. you can get discounts as much as

50% if you walk in and say i'm willing to pay you 50% up front now for this test or procedure or even big things like delivering a baby. bill: wow. i'd imagine most people did not know that. >> i think people are reluctant to negotiate with doctors, but doctors are under pressure, too, because of all the changes in health care. so they may be willing to talk. bill: all right. another question for you, how do you ask your doctor or the hospital for a price cut? >> well, bill, again, you need information to do that, right? so you need to line up what your doctor is charging you for. so, you know, if you're sick, you're under stress, right? as you're leaving the office, ask for a list of what's happened to you today, what are they going to charge you for and compare that to the explanation of benefits that is you get from your insurer. compare those two things. look for duplicates, look for tests that you never had, for procedures that maybe don't apply for you. maybe for a charge for something that you didn't even have.

now, 80% of bills out there have some kind of mistake, so the likelihood is high that you will find some kind of error. and if you can't negotiate, let's say you call, you ask for help, you don't get it, there are professionals who do this for a living. medical cost advocate.com, bill advocates.com, go there, check it out. this is not a free service. they may take as much as 35% of the money they get for you, but if you are spending thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars out of your own pocket, you need help, and those are the pros. bill: got it. gerri, great advice there. >> thank you. bill: we'll check out the series only on "the willis report," every night, 6:00 and again 9:00 on the east coast. gerri willis, thank you. great to see you. back to martha now. martha: well, you know, cities across the country have been collapsing under financial pressure. pennsylvania's capital city got a unique way to get out of their debt, and americans raging today

at "rolling stone" after the magazine puts a glamour shot of the accused marathon bomber right on the coffer. the magazine is now defending that decision. >> we have a store at 717 boyleston that was right between the two blasts, okay? we had employees that were affected, that saw what happened. we have a lot of our customers adversely affected, some of them traumaticically, by this event. we don't think it makes a lot of sense, we don't think it's right.

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bill: outrage growing, martha, over "rolling stone"'s controversial new cover featuring what many are calling a glamorized picture of suspected boston marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev. people are still realing from the attack in april. they're furious. here what the mayor of boston said about it. >> this is should be about the survivors, first-responders. why are we glorifying a a guy that murdered people in the city of boston? >> i understand the substance of the article is not objectionable. it is apparently pretty good reporting but the cover is, out of taste i think. >> monica crowley, radio talk show host and doug schoen, former advisor to bill clinton. both are fox news contributors and both have a lot of opinions on this. good morning to both of you. we're talking about "rolling stone" magazine. when was last time that happened? when it was four years ago with stanley mccrystal?

monica, what do you think about the decision. let's get you on record? >> of course they did it on purpose, a ran a sexy picture of this islamic foreign terrorist acting in the name of islam. they chose a sexy picture to move magazines. get us talking about "rolling stone" magazine which hasn't been in the news for a couple of years and certainly dwindling in terms of subscription and newsstand sales. so they wanted the buzz and they certainly got it. the problem here that the image is in a way, it almost doesn't matter what the article says because everybody is looking at the photograph. everybody is looking at the image. the left has a long-standing history, bill, of doing exactly that, of exalting and glamourizing dictators lick fidel castro and mohammed saeed al-sahaf. terrorists like yasir arafat and anti-american radicals bill airs who got a glowing order well. of himself. this is what the left it is.

takes anti-american zealots and dictators and put them on a pedestal and glam orizing them and exalting them in words. bill: doug, will you argument first amendment, free speech? >> i say there is a first amendment right. i have a more fundamental argument. i'm somebody on the left. i worked for bill and hillary clinton, mike bloomberg but i reject totally the notion some out left glam orizing terrorism or dictators. i've written and attacked mohammed saeed al-sahaf. i think the threat from russia and china, authoritarian regimes is palatable, iran and north korean. this cover is outrageous, it shouldn't have been done. they have a right. this cover is wrong. bill: he has been in business for a long time. >> this is not business.

this is morality. bill: this is what the magazine says, the fact that dzhokhar tsarnaev is young and in the same age group as many of our readers make its all the more important for us to examine the complexities of this issue and gain a more complete understanding how a tragedy like this happens. i mentioned it off the top. we're talking about. and, monica, if you read the article they say it's important to understand the context for how a guy who grew up in america essentially as an american citizen with a lot of college friends and a lot of people around him, how he can go from this picture, to a murderer. >> yeah. listen, i love doug. he is a dear friend. he is the exception to the rule of those who are on the left. the left and, this is a epitomized by "rolling stone" and has been for decades. they have had this tendency to take these people who are fundamentally anti-american, who hate this country, who are out to destroy this country and put them up on pedestals. they have done this over and over again.

fidel castro in cuba. sean penn talking how fantastic he is and what a great regime he has. when you put a sexy picture after young islamist terrorist own the cover of "rolling stone," you're sending a message. they don't have him in the hospital. don't have him doing a perp walk. they have him looking incredibly sexy and young and glamorous. the message, maybe he was a misguided youth who had a dysfunctional family. there are always making excuses for the anti-americannism, bill. that is you see on the left. bill: got it. final word, doug, what monica is arguing, this is more dangerous and meaningful than people think. i will give you the last word. >> it is certainly dangerous. the issue of why he turned to terrorism is a fair issue but this glamourizes him and i would just end where i started. all americans who of all beliefs who believe in our country, our values, liberties have to find this abhorrent. i reject the notion of any one

of good will would embrace this. >> we as consumers, bill, you see it in the stores like cvs, kmart, walgreens who will not carry it, stores and consumers have the right not to buy it. >> monica, is completely right about it. boycott this magazine. bill: doug, monica, i have got to run. thank you. 22 minutes till the hour. >> thank you. martha: pressure is mounting on san diego's mayor, robert filner. have you heard this story? he is rejecting demands for his resignation following allegations that he groped and harassed multiple women. many reports of this in fact. so now san diego's city council has taken the unusual step of stepping in to try to deal with this scandal. william la jeunesse joins us now live with the very latest on this in los angeles. william? >> reporter: martha, city managers told filner he can not be in a room alone with female staff or constituents. the city attorney is drafting a policy to protect women working with the mayor.

>> the best thing is for the city and for the mayor's office to not put the mayor or any city employee or constituent of being alone. >> reporter: last week filner apologized for his behavior. may be smart politically but legally a mistake. here's why. city policy says all employees are entitled to a work environment free from harrassment including unwelcome, or unsolicited or unwanted behavior. listen to filner and why one attorney think hes already admitted guilt. >> am embarrassed to that i failed to respect the women that worked for me and with me. >> the mayor already admitted violating the sexual harrassment policy. >> reporter: that means taxpayers could be on the hook for millions. >> i really don't think that we should be paying for the mayor not being able to control his urges. i mean he brought this on himself. he needs to pay the bill.

>> reporter: now the city is obligated to defend filner legally if and when those claims are filed with city. martha? martha: so there are allegations, william, three unnamed women say they were victimized by the mayor. is it believed there are more than three? >> reporter: well, seven additional women say filner while in congress physically or verbally harassed them. one's a lobby it who told a local tv station that filner touched her inappropriately during a photo-op. a former state assembly woman said six women went to her and filner physically or verbally harassed them. she took their complaints to the local democratic party which confronted but accepted filner's denial. >> i want to leader elected leader of the counterparty. i expressed to him my concerns. ure that things wouldough action improve? apparently not. >> reporter: so far allegations

against the mayor are anonymous allowing him to remain defiant though he said they're not untrue. tonight the democratic party will consider asking him to step down. martha? martha: william, thank you. >> we have breaking news. want to take you to maryland city, maryland. this is the halfway point between our nation's capitol and baltimore where a plane has crashed. this went down into a trailer with a one male subject down on the ground. a bit hard to pick out. looks like, is that a building or airport hangar or is that a double-wide there? difficult to say right now. but we're working with authorities down there to figure out what happened. maryland city, maryland. it is breaking news. we do not have any indication how many people are on board or whether it was flying or coming to or takeoff or landing. all that will be flushed out -- fleshed out and we will in two

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martha: the world is waiting for a baby windsor at the moment here and it is now known as the great kate wait here in london. meanwhile a new survey that came out this morning of 2,000 pregnant women in the u.k. shows that the royal baby is weighing on them too. look at this. 82% say that the buzz around the royal baby is having a big effect on their own pregnancy and some of them say they will name their baby they will wait and name their baby after the royal child. some say they want to find out what the royal child's name is because they want to steer clear of that name. 42% say they're willing to wait until after prince william and kate's baby is born to name their own child. so they will have baby no-name hanging around, could be for several weeks. i'm joined by emily smith, editor of page six at "the new york post." emily, some people say they would like to have the same name as the baby.

some people don't want forever, you were named after the royal baby in the same year the royal baby was born. funny. >> it will be so much attention on the baby. i could understand why expectant mothers saying i don't want to have the same name because the baby is in the papers and talked about all the time. maybe at the sail time they will pick a beautiful name and it will be a iconic name and other people will name their babies after this child because it will be the most focused upon baby of all time. martha: it is funny because in the stores we went out to look for some of the souvenirs and things they have and they're trying to make a buck off of it before the baby is born. you have her royal highness cup and if we take a look and his royal highness cup. they are covering with the pink and blue. they have stuff in the back room they're waiting to push out. they want to make a lot of money off this child after it is born

but there is a lot of discussion by which hospital. >> it is interesting as you've been saying kate and william are up with kate's parents north of london having a bit of quiet time before the birth. everybody is waiting outside st. mary's hospital in london which is nearly 55 miles away from where they currently are. yes there is contingency plan if she goes into labor and they need to get her to a hospital she would be taken to reading, which is 30 minutes away from her parents house. that would take everyone outside because everyone is outside of st. mary's waiting for it to happen. the other thing at st. mary's you have the security, private ward and everything set up. her doctors are there waiting. so, if it so happens there's a panic and she needs to go to reading they will have to change everything around. martha: yeah. it seems like st. mary's is still the place from what we're hearing for exactly the reasons

you stated. everyone is watching for any movement from the middleton home to see when it gets started. let's get this thing going, we all agree on that. emily. thank you. thanks so. we'll talk to you later. bill: the 22nd which is monday. thank you, martha. they are hurting so much for cash. so much so treasured artifacts in one city may be sold to raise enough dough to get out of the red.

bill: well this is certainly novel. how bad is it in harrisburg, pennsylvania? that city is so deep in the red it is having a fire-sale with some of the most coveted items from the american wild west. earlier i taked with the man

running the auction. with me, harlen edinger, head of guernsey auction house. what event that this must be when you have a struggling city that is bankrupt with decisions from the past selling off coveted wild west items. why is this even necessary? >> well as you pointed out-years ago the then mayor had a vision for creating a city full of museums to attract tourists who in turn would help the city's coffers. he went out and purchased thousands of historic artifacts. many are relating to america's old west with hope of filling museums. he bought the things, spending millions but then the museums were never built and these objects have languished for years and years in city warehouses. rumored about in the collecting world but no one really knowing what was there the new mayor, mayor thompson, took the step

that something had to be done and chose our company out of many, many, competitors to oversee this massive auction. bill: this is a remarkable story. we think how many cities across this country are struggling, harrisburg is one of many. you've got items here, you've got a theodore roosevelt case gun set. how much could this go for? >> well, no one, you know, so many of these objects and there are thousands of objects, are so unique that it is hard to predict what they will sell for but that specific set that you're referring to, which consisted of a rifle and shotgun combination, three barrels, in a beautiful case, was theodore roosevelt's name all over it, sold just the other day for about $115,000. bill: holy cow. do you expect that? >> not quite. we had estimated from 10 to 15,000. that would be a pleasant surprise.

bill: there is away i can't thinker pistol that brought in -- wyatt earp pistol. and away i can't think earp saddle, last one he rode in his life. an any oakley swayed coat. a wild bill hickock knife in a box. i'm looking at jesse james wanted poster, buffalo bill's pipe, holy cow, what a collection. >> we're still findings things up to the last moment. there was a letter written the other day by a gentleman named william bonney. what some knew, mr. bonney was also known as "billy the kid." and that that is one of the only written documents known in the world to exist from that famous outlaw. bill: i'm reading you could raise $2.5 million. if you get to that number, does that put a dent in harrisburg's financial problems? >> certainly think it puts an

emotional dent. the folks from harrisburg have been terrific every step of the way pulling together to help us, guernsey's, make this event happen. it has been a very difficult thing because these thousands of items are really just thrown in over the years into city warehouses, very much unloved but the current administration and all the folks in harrisburg have pulled together to help us make this happen. and i think it's an uplifting event, whether we'll be the salvation of the city, i doubt but i think it's a step in the right direction. bill: well, sign of the times too. thank you, out of harrisburg, pennsylvania. that auction continues. thank you, sir. good to be with you. auction is four more days. if you want to get on it you can, online. back to martha. martha: very interesting story. we're moments away now from the irs hearing on the targeting scandal, one that oversight committee chairman darrell issa

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martha: soon as we're done here we'll head over to st. mary's hospital. we'll see what we can find out bill to see if we can get things shaking and moving over there. my bet is, i'm going with july 20th, which is saturday in the morning, bill. bill: any special reason for that? why did you pick that date? martha: just a hunch. just a hunch. bill: got cha. maybe when you go to the hospital you will find a baby over there and then the great kate wait will end. martha: i have three already. thanks. bill: we can free you from london and bring you back home, martha. take care. have a great afternoon. "happening now" starts right now. catch you on friday, everybody. bye-bye.

jon: fox news alert on three breaking stories we're watching right now. we are about to hear from president obama in the east room of the white house. he will be promoting the benefits of the affordable care act, also known as obamacare as critics and even supporters attack key provisions. brand new testimony in the irs scandal bringing the tea party one step closer to the white house. how high did it go? we're live on capitol hill. brand new developments in the murder of an employee in a family dollar store and the kidnapping of his 20-year-old coworker. police say they have found a woman's body not far from the store. first, brand new stories and breaking news. jenna: a key ruling in the wikileaks case after the defense asks the judge to dismiss the most serious charge against army private bradley manning. we'll have more on that in a moment. also a train derails sending four cars off the tracks. where this happened and how many people were hurt. plus,