>> i think that area of the country is beautiful. beautiful land out there. a great discovery. >> great they can find that stuff after all of these years. >> thanks for joining us. >> have a great weekend. >> america live starts right now. >> a financial disaster in motor city leading up to a beens. the city that once gave birth to the nation's auto industry can't pay its bills. it was a city that once helped to drive america's economy. i am greg jarret. >> i am jamie colby in for megyn kelliy. when the white house briefing begins, we'll expect questions of what washington is expected to do with the mess created in detroit, michigan.

the city is unbelievable to pay the bills despite searching for solution. >> does anybody think it is okay to have 40-year-old trees. greing through the houses. dow think they should call the police and not come on time because they are on calls? no. the doctorin is designed to answer those questions. >> mike to bein is live for us. and that is historic. and they are making up for 60 years of bad management and taking this action they are creating a new beginning for the motor city. >> i want to emphasis i don't vow this as a terrible answer in the sense that now is our opportunity to stop 60 years of decline. this is fundmental.

does anybody like the detroit of 5 or 10 or 15 years ago. how long has this gone on and people are not saying stop kicking the can down the rod. >> the population is more than cut in half. exodus from detroit has left i bloit and small rev now stream. it faces a staggering debt of 18 and half billion dollars. there is no way to dig out of the hole. and the pensions are underfollow-uppeded by throw and half billiop according to a contested figure. they are in the early stages of figuring out how badly they were underfunded and haven't gotten in negotiations when the city manager called. it they say that there is only 18 a month to get the tea of detroit solvent again and filing

for beens. they create breathing rom for the city and maintain city services like police and fire while they tackle the staggering debt. >> the ball is moving forward here momentsing on. and the clerk of the court made a formal request to appoint the judge in the beens foilingment nmotorcycle, thank you, greg? >> right before the election last november, the president promised he would not let detroit go bankrupt. and weeks later. wattson made head loins when she suggested that the president repay detroiters for their votes by offering a federal bail out, take a listen. >> at the election, the honorable coalman alexander young went to washington d.c. and came back home with some bacon. that's what you do. that's what you do. this is our people in an

overwhelming way supported the reelection of this president and there ought to be i exercising leadership on that, not just that, but why not? >> you know, chris, with fox nows digital and host of fox power play. he ran for reelection bragging that he saved the auto- industry and the president did vow, i will not let detroit go bankrupt. he did didn't he? he rejected the bail out. and was that because it was economic sense or bad optices? >> i think probably both. you know, mitt rom no was taken to task again and again and again by the president and vice-president in their campaign for having said when he said detroit, he was talking about the big three automakers let

them go bankrupt and reinstruct and you are come out with a business model that works to shed the liabilities that are unaffordable. and the president so manies to be taking the same approach with destroit proper. and doing what mitt romney. and go through all of the pain and anguish of the beens and on the other side. and it is i am sure mitt rom no must be looking at rueful satisfaction that it was the president that let detroit go bankrupt. and this is a freedom example, is it not of just promises that were utareally absurd. and is that because the leaders say the good times will roll

again and we'll pay it all back which was incredibly follish or did they think it is going to be someone else's problem and not mine somewhere else down the line? >> it is a little of both much we so it in illinois and california and other places where labor unions and government worker unions and democrats can perpetate a monoply. they patronnized democrats who made it better for government worker unions and lavish pensions. and that was a hold on politics. it happens in a lot of places. the problem is, eventually the cycle breaks and becomes unsustainable. the president doesn't want to be associated with the infamous failure of that relationship

between democrats and government worker unions. >> you know, destroit is just the death star of major cities, and violent crime is ram papt and police response time. and half of the street lights don't work. you write about it in power play, much of detroit is simply falling apart and reclaimed by the world of motor city and the domain of raccoons and coyotes. is there a lesson here for organized labor, chris? democrats in the president obama, makes big promises 2008. when it becomes politically invoent for democrats to help labor unions and we see as labor

leaders commrap it has a wrecking ball, the new democratic coalition doesn't have much more for the rom. >> there is something interesting. thea lee who is an economist. you pointed out her recent comics describing the president's economic policies as pathetic recovery not within spitting distance of full employment. and they are facing tough times and detroit has an analogy and it is the grease within the pene pone union. here's the thing. for labor unions, they are facing the same sort of death spiral that the city of detroit has faced and the model is

unsustainable. and if they don't spend on infrastructure and training that they think will create more union jobs and private sector unions are heading to a vanishing point. >> it is a lesson not only for unions but all- american cities. don't promise and overspend. chris, many thanks. >> bank rupsys, towns and villages, filing. 28 percent taking place in 20/2008. it is in collapsing under 700 million in debate.

fox news conference. there is an investigation in the asiana air crash. officials announcing that one of the two women who died was killed by an emergency vehicle that run into her on the tarmac, trace? >> it was the coronnor that confirmed the 16 year old was killed by a fire truck, the exact statement was consistent with the injuries of being killed by a fire truck and died of blunt force trauma but say she was alive after the plane crash and deepens the mystery. her body was found nor the left wing of the aircraft and she was sitting in the back of the plane along with the other two girls that died. survivors gathered outside of the plane, there were no signs of bodies nor that area. and the concern is, how did she

get there? was she ejected and walked over to the area where she was run over? was here body dragged over there? it is unknown. you can so the foam a round the aircraft. her body was found under one to the of the foam. and that's why the fire engine didn't see her. fire chief said we are in the business of saving lives and this will be fully investigated. and we should know that asiana airlines will not sow the television station. ktvu fox affiliate in san francisco for broadcasting those fake and insulting names of the pilots. asiana will focus solely on what happened in the game. the pilots are in the hospital in south korea under going psychiatric trauma. unclear how long they have been there and stay.

head loin here, one of the 16 year olds was in fact alive when the plane crashed and was killed presumably by a fire truck after the plane went down. >> a tragic twist to the story, thanks, trace. >> we have new evidence that president obama may be considering a tougher approach when it comes to russia. the now plan for dealing with vladimar putin and what it means with our relations with the former soviet union. >> rolling stops, what critics call bestowing rock status. a cop made a stition that has his suspended from his job. >> a college student wanted to wen campus election so badly. he was sentenced to a year in jail as a result. we'll debate whether the

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♪ >> we are seeing some chilling new videotape from a big story, a couple of weeks ago, it showed the moment a building came down. it was a force so strong a person was knocked to the ground and covered in a plume of dust. it collapsed on a salvation army store. six people killed, dozen more injured. a heavy kwpt prettier facing charges in what they call a botched demolition.

>> a possible cold war chill in u.s. relations to russia. the president may be taking a tougher approach to moscow. the white white is considering cancelling an upcoming summit meeting between president obama and president putten. there is growing concerns on a host of issues. the tipping point may be stand off over the nsa leaker edward snowden. it is great to see you, thank you for joinings us. >> does pulling out of the summit on putin? >> president obama's idea of getting tough is hitting with cotton balls instead of feathers. cancelling the moscow summit

between obama and putin will have 0 impact. it will irritate him. but obama would have to move to shift the g- 20 summit from petersburg, russia or just stay home and epicourage our allies to. in the end, i hate to say this, the only thing that will get putin's attention from really standing up to him which is unlikely, is cancelling our winter olympics. i am proud of our athletes and i don't want to do that. but if that is what it take tots get ed snowden back here, i am for it. we can't ask only the military to sacrifice and no one else. >> how soon should president obama take a firmer hand in

this? the issue with russia is not only snowden, that is huge, but providing weaponry to assad and the regime in syria and support of iran's nuclear. >> and obama said nothing and putin has systemically dismantled the russian democracy. journalist are in jail and puts opponents in jail. and the obama white white burps a bit but nothing happens. jamie, the key to understanding vladimar putin is not ask a washington think tank. they expect people to act rationally. vladimar putin is a classic school yard bully. and he has sized obama up as a weak kid with glasses and

books. putin takes emotional delight on obama and he beats up weaklings. putin is trained as a kgb officer. he has trained well to size up other people. he got obama's number from the start and he knows he can run all over him. i will be delighted if i am wrong and our president stands up to putin. obama wants arms treaty and nukes nonsense and pretents the reset works. it is an administration that plays hard ball domestically and whiffle ball internationally. >> whatever information they want to get from snowden. they have enough and want him to leave. do we have options to get him back so he can pay the price? >> you are absolutely right. now they have the intelligence snowden had with him. putin is enjoying playing with

obama on this. he is it not want snowden as an albatrosz. snowden is not important. he has to figure out a way to get snowden out of the country to venezuela or elsewhere in a way that gives putin in his mind plausible deniabilityine if the excuse is ridiculous. putin doesn't want to give snowden back to us, because it makes him look weak. and putin wants to look like a tough guy. >> he continues to throw that in the mix. we'll watch it carefully. it is great to have you here. >> there are more than 50 democratic votes cast in the house this week. so why are the law makers voting for this thing so worried about seeing it take affect? we'll investigate. >> we have graphic new images

that shows the boston bombers minutes. >> and a mom locks her keys in the car. high temps and her son in place. rrn

>> fox news alert on the big bankruptcy feeling in detroit. vice-president joe biden said that white house officials were briefed on the situation in detroit and unclear whether the administration could even help. the president promising last october that he would not let detroit go bankrupt. the white white briefing is expected to begin shortly. >> one massachusetts state cop making a controversial decision

releasing this and other graphic images of one the accused boaston bombers after rolling stone bestoued the status of the 19-year-old. and now that officer is suspended from his job. here's more on that. hey, trace. >> you are right, greg. officer shawn murphy is not fired yet but relieved of doubt and he's been investigate asked they have taken away his gun, bag and vest and peppy spray and told him he is not allowed to speak to the media. what officer murphy has said is applauded in boston. murphy released the photos because he wanted people to so a more accurate portrait of a terrorist not someone fluffed and buffed. i believe that the image portrayed by rolling stones

magazine was an insult to any person winning uniform of the military branch. and family members who lost a loved one in the lone of duty. glamorizing the face of terror is not only inshutting to those killed in the lean of duty. but may be a incentive for those who may do something to get their cover on the rolling stone magazine. he shed people it was not a television show. it was the real deal. as real as he gets he said. and he was doing it as a way to pay a tribute to the officer collier who died and officer donahue and who nearly died. officer murphy may lose his job over this. some people may say he broke the rules. but in boston, comments have

been if he loses his job, he will not have to buy's drink for a long time. a lot of people are applauding what he did and believe he is be on the cover of rolling stone, greg. >> he and a great many other heroes on that horrible day. trace, thank you very much. >> it is a punishing heatwave out there and hit a new peak. where is the relief? it may not be better. a live report from the fox extreme weather center on what to expect. >> accusations for a deadly cover up. a congressman saying he has evidence that the obama administration is putting a muzzle on those who survive. >> and there are more than 50 democrat votes cast for two measures to delay the president's health care law from

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>> the fox news alert. we'll bring you the weather in a second. in the moan time the president is stepping up to the podium and

we'll make sure you don't miss what he has to say. there is humid heatwave in our country and experts are warning that the so- called relief, don't bank on that. it may not be much better. rick, with a quick wrap up. and i will give you a hard time on this. it is stifling. >> it is. sunday will be a lot better and monday and tuesday will be below average. at lost on the northern tier it will be hot. nwe'll go live to the white house. nwatching the debate over the course of the last woke, i thought it might beousful to expand on my thoughts a bit. first of all, i want to make sure that once again i send my thoughts and prayers and

michelles to the family of trayvon martin. and to remark on the incredible grace and dignity with which they have dealt with the entire situation. i can only imagine what they are going through and it is remarkable how they handled it. there is going to be a lot of the arguments about the legal issues in the case. i will let the legal analyst and talking heads address those issues. and the judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. the prosecutions and the defense made their arguments, the juries were properly instructed in a case such as this, reasonable doubt was relevant and they

rendered a verdict. once the jury has spoken that is the way it the system works. i want to talk about the context and people responding and feeling. you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that, trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. when you think about why in the african-american community at least, there is a lot of the pain about what happened here, i think it is important to recognize the african-american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that

doesn't go away. you know, there are very now african-american men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store, that includes me. there are very few african-american men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. that happens to me at least before i was a senator. there are very now african-americans getting on a elevator and a woman hold clutches her purse and holding her breath until she has a chance to get off. that happens often. i don't want exaggerate those,

those sets was experiences inform how the african-american community interprets what happened one night in florida. and it is inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear. the african-american community is knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the criminal laws. everything from the death.and to enforcement of our drug laws. and that ends up impacting and concerning how people interpret the case. now this is not to say that the african-american community is nieve that african-american young men are disporportionately involved in the criminal justice

system. and they are victims and perpetrators of violence. it is not to make excuses for that fact, although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical complex. some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods in the country is born out of a very violent past in this country. and that the poverty and dysfunction that we so in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history. and so the fact that sometimes it is unacknowledged adds to the frustration and the fact that a lot of african-american boys are painted with a broad brush and

the excuse is given there is statistics that show african-american boys are more violent and using that as an excuse to so some treated differently causes pain. i think the african-american community is not nieve. he was particularally more likely to be shot by a peer than somebody else. so folks understand the challenges that exist for african-american boys. but they get frustrated if there is no context for it and that is being denied. and that all contributes to

a sense if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different. now the question for me at lost and for a lot of folks is, where do we take this? how do we learn lessons and move in a positive direction? i think it is understandable that there are demonstrations and vigils and protests and some of that has to work its way through as long as it remains nonviolent. if there is violence, i remind folks that that dishonors what happened to trayvon martin and

his family, but beyond protest or vigils, are there concrete things we might be able to do. i know eric holder is reviewing what happened down there, i think it is important for people to have clear expectation. traditionally they are issues of state and local government. the criminal code and law enforcement is done at state and local levels and not at federal levels. that doesn't mean though that as a nation we can't do some things that would be productive. so let me give a couple of specifics that i am still bouncing around with my staff so we are not rolling out some five- point plan, but areas where i think all of us could potentially focus. number one, precisely because

law enforcement is often determined in the state and local level, it would be productive for the justice department and governors and mayors to work with law enforcement about training in the state and local levels in order to reduce the kind of mistrust in the system that exist. when i was in illinois, i passed racial profiling legislation and actually did two simple things. it collected data on traffic stops and the race of the person that was stopped and the other police departments in the state on how to think about potential racial bias and ways to show

what they are doing. and police departments were resistant and they came to recognize if it was done in a fair and straightforward way. it would allow them to do their jobs better. and in terms be more helpful in applying the law. and obviously law enforcement has a tough job. that is one area where there is a lot of resources and best practices that could be brought to bear if state and local governments are receptive. figure out ways to push that coined of training out. and long the same thing, i think it would be useful for us to example state and local laws to see if, if they are designed in such a way that they may

encourage altercation and tragedies that we saw in the florida case rather than diffuse potential altercations. there is commentary that stand your ground law in florida was nottoused in the case. but on the other hand if we are sending a message in our societies and communities that someone who is armed, potentially has the right to use those firearms,ine if there is a way for them to exit from a situation. is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we would like to see. and for those who resist that idea that we should think about the stand your ground laws, i ask people to consider if

trayvon martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that side walk? . and we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting mr. zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened. and if the answer to that question is ambigguous we might want to examine those coineds of laws. and number throw, this is a long- term project, we need to spend time n and thinking of how to bolster and reenforce our african-american boys? this is something that michelle and i talk about. there is a lot of kids who need help and getting a lot of

negative reenforcements. is there more than we could do to give them a sense that their country cares about them? and values them. and is willing to invest in them? i am not, naive about the federal program but as president i have convoening power and there is a lot of good programs in the country on this front. and for us to gather together. and business leaders and local elected officials and celebrities and athletes and figure out how we are doing a better job, helping young african-american men feel that they are a full part of this

society? and they have pathways and avenues to succeed? we'll think about that. and finally, it is going to be important for all of us to do some soul searching. there is talk about should we convene a conversation on race? >> i haven't sewn that be particularly productive, when politicians try to organize conversations, they are stilted and politicized and folks are looked into the positions they already have. on the other hand, with families and churches and work places, there is a possibility that people are a little bit more honest and you at least ask

yourself your own questions of am i bringing as much bia s out of myself as i can. and am i judging people as much as i can based on not the color of their skin but the content of their character. that would be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy. and let me just leave you with the final thought, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, i don't want us to lose site that things are getting better. each successive generation seems to make progress in changing at to youeds -- attitudes. it doesn't mean that racism is

eliminated. but i talk to ma lia and sash saand see them with their friends and interact. they are better than we are and better than we were on these issues. that is true for every community that i have visited in the country. and so, we have to be vigilant. and we have to work on these issues and those of us in authority should be doing everything we can to encourage the nature and as opposed toousing these episodes, heightened divisions. and we should also have confidence that kids these days have more sense than we did back then and certainly more than our

grand parents or our parents did and along this long difficult journey you know, we're becoming a more prefer union. not a perfect. >> all right? thank you, guys. now, you can -- now, you can -- >> the martin family, mr. president, have you talked to the martin family? >> wait one second, april. i'm here to take your questions, traditional briefing. i would understand if folks need to go file. that's fine. i leave it to our friends in the front row to tell me how brief we can keep this. >> keep it short. >> keep it short. let me go to julie.

>> i guess just to start off, can you tell us a little bit about the process of having those remarks happen? why did the president decide to do it now the end of the week almost a week after the verdict? >> i will say a couple of things because the process is far less important than the words the president spoke. he -- he wanted to say something and he came out and said it. he's obviously mindful of the discussions that have been going on. i think some of us had discussions earlier this week when he was certainly prepared to take questions on this issue when he had some interviews earlier this week. and would have answered them in probably similar fashion, but he felt like today was a good day to speak about it. >> and the vice president said in his event earlier today that the situation there, is there

any type of federal response or federal assistance the white house deems appropriate in this situation? >> you have heard leaders in michigan say, and we believe they're correct, this is an issue that has to be resolved betwe between -- >> very unexpected during the afternoon regular press briefing with the white house spokesperson, jay carney, suddenly the president appears in the briefing room and decides that he is going to address the trayvon martin case. he acknowledged that's how our system works. but then he went on to talk in broader terms how african-americans are treated. he said for example in stores, they are often stopped, including himself, out on the street, they are stopped, includi including himself. and then he went on to talk in broader terms, more specific terms rather about the trayvon martin case, saying had trayvon martin been white, quote the

outcome and the aftermath would have been different. joining me now to talk about it on the phone is juan williams, fox news political analyst. juan, that last remark suggests that local prosecutors, local police and indeed the jury may have been racist because the outcome, the result would have been different had the alleged victim been white. now, is the president easing racial tension or stoking racial tension? >> caller: his intent is to ease racial tension but the risk, greg, he took by coming out, is that he will stoke racial tension because it politicizes this whole tragedy. the minute he speaks out, as he did, if you'll recall, in the professor gates aware in boston, in that case, he said he thought the police had acted stupidly, immediately left wing-right wing locked into position and, as he described it, there was not very

much productive dialogue that came afterwards. i think that's why he says he's not now in favor of that kind of public airing of this whole complaint. i just wanted to say in response to what you said earlier, i'm not sure that he was indicting the jury or the process by saying if trayvon martin had been white -- i think what he was saying was he believed that once zimmerman saw trayvon martin was a black kid wearing that hoodie, that it fit a lot of stereotypes of black male youth as suspect, if not criminal, and played into the high number of convictions of black or violence crime. >> yujuan, trayvon martin's own mother said this is not about race. even the prosecutor, in his rebuttal closing argument, looked those jurors square in the eye and said this case has nothing to do with race. and yet the president suggested

that it does. he went so far as to recommend that local law enforcement needs to be better trained regarding race. again, isn't he presuming that local law enforcement made decisions based on race, and they insist, as well as prosecutors, they did not. >> caller: i disagree. i think that this case was, in terms of a courtroom, not about race. but i don't think there's any doubt that the country right now is locked into this as a racial controversy, greg. i think it has stirred lots of discomfort, if not outright questions about how we deal with race, about whether or not, even if trayvon martin was, you know, stereotyped as a criminal because of the way he was dressed and because he was walking between houses, did it matter then if he had turned around and been a white teenager

opposed to a black teenager. that's not to say that the case was about race, as it was presented to the jury, and the fbi has said, there was no evidence that zimmerman was pursuing a raciist agenda. so that's not it. >> the president's second proposal is that we reexamine some of the gun law, specifically the president said the "stand your go around" law. the president likely doesn't realize stand your go around had nothing to do with the case. >> absolutely. >> a procedural maneuver waived. retreat was not an issue in the case because zimmerman said and there was no other evidence to the contrary he had no ability to retreat, and yet the president unknowingly seems to invoke it and he also seems oblivious the statistical fact that in florida, more african-americ african-americans avail themselves of that law. but, look, overall, juan, we've seen people take to the streets, mostly african-americans

protesting what went on. some of those protests and demonstrations became incredibly violent. doesn't the president now run the risk that he is going to provoke even more demonstrati demonstrations, and let's hope not, but potential violence? >> he said explicitly that these demonstrations that turn violent d dishonor trayvon martin's memory and his family. >> that may be lost on the people who are now potentially going to hit the streets. >> i'm saying as matter of politics, i think he said it quite explicitly that's not acceptable behavior. but to your earlier point about "stand your go around," it did have nothing to do with this case. it was not introduced by the defend and not introduced by the prosecution as an issue. i think that what we're seeing there is attorney general holder and president obama unlikely to be able to find any evidence of racism that would justify a civil case against george

zimmerman on the basis of hate crime legislation, are now trying to focus all the energy, all the upset about this case into repeal of those "stand your go around" laws. i think they're trying to direct that energy. that's a very strong political move for them. >> look, he's the president of the united states, a busy man. i doubt he sat there in front of the television and watched the evidence unfold and yet he's offering a judgment here, the same way he did in 2009, you know, in the case of henry lewis gates, the harvard professor, who was arrested. the president, with racial overtones, said police acted stupidly. why is the president of the united states weighing in on local criminal matters, juan? >> oh, my gosh, greg. this is what i said to you at the very start of our conversation this afternoon. the president is taking a tremendous risk by speaking out because people immediately, in reacting to him and not his words and not his intent, not

his call for soul searching and increased consciousness and better sensitivity on racial issues, will take sides, based on president obama spoke out. but i think that what we're seeing here is this must have been troubling him on a very deep level. i don't think any political advisor would say, yeah, mr. president, we think you should go out there and just go ahead and expend some of your own political capital to do this. they know that there's going to be a lot of blowback for the fact that he spoke out and people who will say he not only politicized it but people who suggest, as you just did, he might be giving some sustenance to people in the streets who might turn violent. he took a tremendous risk here. i think this is something that speaks the idea, he's our first black president, greg. he's been under criticism from near and wide not doing enough in terms of addressing high black unemployment particularly,

i might add, among teenagers and teenage boys and dealing with the problems of gun violence in inner city communities, notably his own chicago. i think that maybe it's just, you know, it's like the straw that broke the camel's back, and what we're seeing here is the president in emotional turmoil and reaching out and feeling that he had an obligation to enter into this national discussion about race in the aftermath of the trayvon martin case. >> juan williams, many thanks for your thoughts, sir. appreciate it. >> my pleasure, greg. this is such an important conversation. the fox news alert, dramatic remarks from president obama just moments ago, about the george zimmerman trial, and the shooting of trayvon martin, welcome to a brand new hour of "america live." i'm gregg jarrett. >> i'm jamie colby in forlly. a half hour ago the president walks into the briefing room

unannounced and unexpected and launches into roughly 20 minutes of remarks on this highly charged acquittal that happened last saturday. it is now friday. here are some of those remarks. >> i did want to talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling. you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. >> james rosen is live on the white house lawn with more on this. james, completely unexpected? >> reporter: it was. in fact, at the beginning of the event, jamie, the president joked to jay carney due to the sparsity of presence in the room is this the kind of respect you get and with the president speaking in the briefing room we all rushed up and witnessed what

was an extraordinary set of presidential remarks the president speaking on race in america in the wake on the acquittal of george zimmerman and shooting of trayvon martin last week. this was expansive. this was thoughtful, at times eloquent, highly personal and far from dispassionate. i say that last sentence because the president, for example, offered words of condolence to the trayvon martin family and complimented that family how they have handled this entire episode but the president had no equivalent words or any kind of words for the zimmerman family and the ordeal they have been through as a result of this shooting and this tragedy. the president at times spoke about having been a young black man in america, and having himself followed when he went sh shopping, and listening himself to the sound of car doors clicking as he would approach cars on a street as a young african-american man. he said that that has been him.

he also gave several points for further -- what he called producti productive enterprise in the wake of this tragedy and aftermath talking about a national conversation on race although he said he doesn't want to convene it because politicians when they do that tend to ferment only stilted politicized conversations and talked about doing more to bolster african-american men in this country. he also talked about evaluating the stand your go around laws. show talked about martin luther king at one point. it was truly extraordinary. he also took note of the fact that america today is not the america he grew up in. let's listen. >> as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, i don't want us to lose sight that things are getting better. each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race.

it doesn't mean we're in a post racial society, doesn't mean that racism is eliminated. but, you know, when i tack to malia and sasha, and i listen to their friends and i see them intera interact, they're better than we are. they're better than we were on these issues. that's true in every community that i've visited all across the countr country. >> the president said any protests that continue should remain peaceful. he said if violent protests erupt as a result of the verdict in the zimmerman trayvon martin case it would dishonor him. his main point was to put this all into context from his point of view and said african-americ african-americans perceive these kinds of episodes through a long history in america and said african-americans are not naive about the fact it is african-american men who make up a majority often of perpetrators

and victims of this kind of violence, jamie. >> james rosen at the white house, thank you, james. earlier this week, we turned to david webb about the question of race in the trayvon martin and zimmerman case. he's the host of "the david webb show" on sirius radio, co-founder of the tea party. he's joining me on the phone now. thanks for being with us. >> good to talk to you, jamie. >> let me ask you your reaction to these commentings by ts by t president. first the decision came down nearly a week ago. why today? >> today has all the appearances of a political insertion into what's going on because we have the rallies that are coming up this weekend across the country. the president's the head. the department of justice the head, the branch of the executive. they're following up on a federal civil rights, or they say they're looking into potential civil rights charges but yet they have very weak evidence since they didn't find anything in florida to charge under state law, and the fbi fun

to no evidence of it. what my initial reactions is that this is pure politics. the president with the presidential microphone inse inserting himself into this situation once again. i'm not that surprised. i frankly expected something. this, i think, caught me off guard like many americans. >> it seems to me, david, the president went even further beyond this case and it's result, the outcome and the aftermath, as he calls it, talking about the experience of african-american men in general. let's listen to some of that. >> i think it's important to recognize that the african-american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away. there are very few

african-american men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping at a department store. that includes me. there are very few african-american men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. that happens to me at least before i was a senator. they're very few african-americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. that happens often. >> david, i have to ask you this, because the president went so far, starting this by stayin trayvon martin could have been him. he says the new generation is different and he wonders whether trayvon martin would have had the benefit of stand your go around which greg correctly brought up didn't even apply in

the case, forever he had been armed, that the outcome would have actually been different if trayvon had been white. does that calm any of the expected rallies that you raise or is it really stirring the pot on a case that was decided a week ago, and at the same time he complements the judge running a fair trial, the defense and prosecution for presenting their case properly and the jury for following instructions that were prope proper. >> this is president obama, jamie, doing what president obama has done best since his days organizing. he wants all the bites at the apple. he presents one side, then he presents all sides so he can placate the people he needs to play to. that's what i find disingenuous about this. the president puts forth the idea that the black community is one monolithic block, that most of us, black people, have been profiled. well, that's antidotal at best.

what supports that? i'm not saying that doesn't happen. people clutch purses and clutch purses when people white with dog collars and spiked hair and tattoos walk by. what the president has done is taken us backwards, not forwards. there is racism. you can't pretend that racism doesn't exist in america. but you can't pretend that racism exists everywhere. the president is doing no different than jesse jackson when he calls florida and apartheid state. he could have made a very clear statement. he could have talked about the concerns of americans, because if there is a white-black dynamic, there is a white side to that dynamic. >> you know what -- you know what, there may be anti-semitism too in this country and in europe. >> yes, there is. >> there may be prejudice against elderly workers desperate to get jobs in this economy because they're older. you're an african-american man.

at this point, was there any benefit to saying the african-american community is impacted negatively by this decision? does the president not believe that white moms and whites in this country also felt for trayvon martin's family? >> well, they can't have you believe that, jamie. they can't have you believe that there are many americans who fall on both sides of this or different sides of this issue. because if due that, then you can't play into the black-white racist dynamic. that's what's really dis disingenuous about this from the president. these are carefully thought out remarks, carefully targeted remarks. >> what's the upside for the president today making these comments as he did? >> it divides us. this is something he has done well as a candidate and done well as an activist and organizer. you divide people into groups, say, black, this is your issue, hispanic, this is your issue, women, this is your issue and then he emall go mates their

gui guilt, their fear and this becomes a voting block for his agenda. this is really what it's about. it's politics. could the president have been more responsible? absolutely. i wish presidents wouldn't inject themselves regardless of party into everything but this is no longer the current situation. this is a president who said law enforcement didn't go far enough. they didn't wander into redistributed justice, this is social engineering, this is about social justify, as he sees it, not about the justice system, as it exists and as as -- has worked. >> great to have you here as it was a surprise to have the president take the podium. thank you so much. we're trying to get reaction from the zimmerman family or george zimmerman's attorneys for that matter. we hope to have that for you very shortly. chris is up next on what juan williams described as the political risks the president

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fox news alert. we just got off the phone with mark o'mara, the attorney for george zimmerman. he says he is not ready to react to the stunning remarks from the president of the united states just a few minutes ago. mr. obama talking about the trayvon martin case in florida and suggesting that the jury had actual actually -- this is how our system works, he said.

he expressed sympathy for the family of trayvon martin conspicuously, no remarks about the zimmerman family. here is the president talking about the protests we've seen this week. >> i think it's understandable that there have been demonstrations and vigils and protests and some of that stuff is just going to have to work it's way through as long as it remains non-violent. if i see any violence, i will remind folks that that dishonor s what happened to trayvon marti martin. >> fox news digital politics editor, host of power play on foxnews.com joins us once again live. chris, there will likely be a debate in america whether the president eased racial tensions or stoked them. our own juan williams made it pretty clear not once but twice a few minutes ago when i talked to him, this was inextricably risky on the part of the

president. what do you think? >> it's pretty obvious something he was not eager to do, given how long he waited to do it, the timing of doing it on a summer friday afternoon. but you can also tell this was something he sincerely wanted to say, to talk about race, as it relates to this crime or not this crime but this trial, to talk about race in this setting, is something that obviously this was an intro respective, sometimes a little rambling but obviously heartfelt from the president. it is risky. he was under pressure from some on his left, the congressional black caucus and others, to come out and be stronger on this point and make it more implicitly about race. he did that today. there is risk in that. it's something he obviously felt like he needed to do. >> when the mother of trayvon martin says, you know, this is not about race, when the

prosecutor literally argues in front of the jury during closing argument this case has nothing to do with race, then one wonders what motivates the president to elevate that issue? i want to play a sound bite here. i don't want to misrepresent what the president said, but he did repeat the sentiment of african-americans that had the roles been reversed, had the teenager been white, the aftermath and the outcome, i presume he's talking about the verdict, would have been different. here it is and i'll get your thoughts on the other side. >> folks understand the challenges that exist for african-american boys, but they get frustrated, i think, if they feel there's no context for it, and that context is being denied.

and that all contributes, i think, to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in of scenario, that from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different. >> people can judge for themselves what the president is doing there. but some will interpret trerpt president of the united states giving voice that the shooting was racially motivated and if trayvon martin had been white that wouldn't have happened or at the very least there would have been a different jury verdict, if no trial at all. >> remember, we have ongoing in washington and down in florida, an investigation by the justice department to recheck the work of state law enforcement down there and looking for a civil rights component. the only way you can really get the justice department involved down there is if attorney

general eric holder and his team make a conclusion that there was a racial inec x equequity here a hispanic man killed a black teenager, whether it was found to be in self-defense or not, if it was deemed to be a racial matter or racially charged in some way, it opens the door for federal intervention. the president seemed to be leaning in that direction in those comments. >> although the fbi, a branch of department of justice a year ago, did a fairly thorough investigation interviewing 36 witnesses and found, i think i'm quoting it correctly, there is no evidence of any racial bias or annimus in this case and the interviewed the very same people who testified at trial, which invites the question how could it now be any different? we'll have to leave that eventually to the department of justice. chr chris, many thanks, chris. >> you bet. >> a lot of discussion about trayvon martin and his family. just three minutes from now, we

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i know a lot of people were expecting sooner or later to hear from the president and i'm glad he spoke out today. >> why? there are so many trials in this country, so many murder cases, why would you expect the american people to want to hear from the president with everything else going on in the world on this case? >> caller: you know, i think this case, we are where we are today. no matter what your opinion of the verdict is, there have to be things that bring us together. there have to be teachable moments that we learn from what happened here, and more importantly, we have some kind of a game plan going forward for what's going to help youth, in particular, is what struck me about the president's speech,

going forward to help them out. the president talked about encouraging african-american youth but i would say also youth of all colors. it might be in situations in their life that they don't feel like they're getting the encouragement from society that they need. that's one of the things my brother was doing before this incident. >> i know your brother did mentor minority teens as part of his work. but the president also said one of the initiatives he'd like to see is training of law enforcement. do you think he was talking about your brother? >> i'm not sure if that specifically is what he was saying. i know that george, when he was mentoring these kids, he was mentoring children whose father was serving a life sentence in prison. i think mentoring all children of all colors is one of the ways we break the cycle. i would just add to what the president had to say, sometimes the right encouragement and the right role models and sort of the right shoulder to lean on in very difficult times in life can

prevent any kind of engagement with law enforcement or the criminal justice system whatsoever. so i think that he made some good points about training law enforcement. he talked about a program in chicago that had worked. he also asked for some soul searching. i think a lot of us -- i've done some soul searching. i'm not a person who has mentored children of any race or color. perhaps i could do better in that regard. perhaps many of us can do better in that regard to kind of, you know, prevent this kind of engagement with law enforcement all together. >> one of the things the president said, robert, that if race were reversed, and trayvon martin would have been white and your brother not, that the outcome and the aftermath of this case white have been different. is that part of the soul searching your brother is doing now? >> i don't know. i don't know that that's what george is doing. i think that we are where we are today. we can speculate a lot about what would have been or could

have been. what i can say, what will be, if we all really do some soul searching, in terms of how much of a hand we're having in shaping our youth's expectations of their future, we can have a better country if we all do our part in helping out youth any way that we can. these kids were very very disadvantaged in the sense they had one parent who was incarcerated. there's youth in all different situations affected by poverty, affected by their parents being unemployment or underemployed, affected by schools that don't have the resources they need to educate them appropriately, affected by having a lack of resources generally, even access to food that the first lady's been very positive, you know, force behind getting access to food and nutrition. that's important, too. when we soul search, i don't think it should be focused so much on, you know, speculating about any one person's race in this other other scenarios. i think it should be about promoting a colorblind america

where all children regardless of their race have someone they can reach out to, a mentor or other role model or figure in their life, that can kind of, you know, give them the encouragement that the president talked about they so desperately need. >> you no what, robert, you're going a step further than the president did. he only talked about the african-american youth in our country and you're saying we should not look at color or race and that all kids should be afforded the opportunities in life that we want for our children. should he have broadened it out to say that he would like us to soul search about all kids in america and the opportunities they may not be getting? >> you know, i think the president was speaking off-the-cuff and i think he was very sincere in his remarks. i do think that sometimes when we get bogged down into politics of it all we forget that the missing link is just sometimes a person who a young person can relate to or feel encouraged by. so i think no matter what any child's race is or creed or

whatever political stripe they come from or we come from, it should be beyond politics to stand united in the sense we can organize ourselves to better address the needs of children. and i do think that is the missing link sometimes. if you ask kids themselves what helped you most in your life when they're older they'll also point to some kind of role model, be it teacher or sports coach, or member of the clergy. >> mentor. >> sure, mentor or someone there, authority figure they don't have expectations in terms of them getting an a in school or getting x number of touchdowns or what have you but there to be an ear and kind of make sense out of the things that don't make sense to any young person and that person was george specifically for african-americans. >> understood, robert, this is a very noble idea we can all reach out to the youth of america. i understand that. do you feel, though, first of all, i'm curious if your family has had any contact with the

president or any from the white house or administration. do you feel that the reaction to the verdict is divided among racial lines? >> no. we haven't had any contact from the president or the administration that i know of. but i think, you know, moving anything along racial lines is just a disservice to our country and why there are people right now misunderstanding kind of what happened then. my concern is along racial lines we don't misunderstand any other scenario in the future, that we do everything we can for children who are having difficulty. i mean, i really see eye-to-eye with the president on that, difficulty with life because life, when you're young, is very complicated. and school is just one element of it, so is funding and so are politics and people have this way of getting that missing link. they sidestep it. i think mentoring -- yes. >> i know that that's something

your brother did and that your family believes in and certainly trayvon martin's family, the president has correctly given them credit for handling all of this with such grace and such heart for our nation, they don't want violence either. let me ask you this. the department of justice will look to see if civil rights charges can be filed, any other actions against your brother in this case, in what happened. you've been fiercely defensive of your brother and outspoken as well. what's your message to the justice department about whether or not they should pursue any other action against your brother? let's get it out there. >> i should be clear that i have defended my brother when he was a defendant. he is no longer a defendant. so my comments and remarks really reflect my opinion about any person who's been exonerated and about the process generally. if the justice department is within their rights to investigation then they are within their rights to investigate and it's my understanding in this particular case that the investigative arm of the justice department, the

fbi, has investigated. i'm not sure that necessarily an investigation is a bad thing. i do -- i'm a little bit concerned sometimes that our leaders are responding to pressu pressure. i think, you know, clear leadership, in terms of respecting the rule of law is something that's called for now, and i think it's something that the first time the president issued a statement he did say we are a country of laws and the verdict or the jury has spoken. so i would like to see those kinds of messages coming from leadership because i think it does a greater service to the american people. i think the american people need to have some time to digest what really happened and to do that soul searching the president spoke of and hopefully the answer will be that we can all do more to support our youth throughout our communities. >> robert zimmerman, so great to get your perspective on this today and we thank you. >> thank you. >> greg. fox news alert. if you're just now joining us,

we are continuing our live coverage of very dramatic remarks of president obama about an hour ago in the george zimmerman trial, in the shooting of trayvon martin, the president walking out to the white house briefing room. this happened about 1:30 eastern time today and then he launched into roughly 20 minutes of extended remarks on this highly charged acquittal last saturday in florida, saying that the jury did it's job, but then argues that he could have been trayvon martin, the president could have been trayvon martin. in this case, highlights the experience of young black men in america. here's some of what the president said. >> the judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. the prosecution and the defense made their arguments. the juries were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was

relevant and they rendered a verdict. once the jury's spoken, that's how our system works. i think it's important to recognize that the african-american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history. that doesn't go away. there are very few african-american men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping at a department store. that includes me. there are very few african-american men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. that happens to me, at least before i was a senator. there are very few

african-americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. that happens often. >> joining us now to talk about it, alanco, a host and the president little doubt his remarks were quite heartfelt. i'm wondering to put it rather plainly if he helped matters or made them worse. >> certainly, his intent is not to make them worse. i think he helps matters. we have our first ever black president who broke that ceiling and to not address those issues the big elephant in the room. when he doesn't speak out he gets accused of being d dispassionate or not involved. when he doesn't show emotion he is accused of being aloof.

here he showed emotion of personal experiences. this clearly is personal to him. and demonstrations coming up this weekend, it is a risk the president making this kind of address, with the demonstrations coming up, a call for calm and to say we won't stand for violence is an important statpresident. >> it was a very nuanced remark. i looked at the verbatim on it. i actually missed it the first time around the president talking about had the roles been reversed, the teenager been white the outcome and aftermath would have been different. it's very nuanced. if you look closely, he's saying this is how the african-american community feels about it. he can attribute it to the african-american community, but doesn't he, by repeating it, doesn't he elevate it? doesn't he as president of the united states give it credibility, this argument that had the teenager been white, it

wouldn't have come out this way? >> yes. yes, he does. and the reality is -- and i've been talking a lot about this on my radio show, of course. it's been a very very lively discussion, the president has if not added fuel to the fire, he's added oxygen to the fire. you've got al sharpton out there doing what al sharpton does, a very very polarizing figure, barack obama according to gallop our most polarizing president ever and this is going to contribute to that. this is a case that is about race if you are all about race. the president came out and framed it in the context of race. an hispanic man shooting a young black man. it's all about race. now, if that's what the president wanted to do, then he succeeded in that. i think he gives more momentum to the idea that this is a racially charged situation, by the way, there has been a good

deal of violence. nobody dead yet thankfully but a good deal of violence and apparently the president has missed out on that. alan is also right that the president is going to be criticized if he says nothing, usually by the left in this case, not a generic situation where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, this is a very specific set of circumstances and he's the first black president of the united states. i understand he has pressure to come out and say something. if you're going to come out and say something, perhaps you shouldn't come out and frame it entirely in the context of race when he knows that it's already a highly polarized situation, that it's a very divisive case, that a lot of people on his side of the fence overwhelmingly have seized on to advance their own political agendas, which always go to racial polarization. so the president jumped in with both feet. i don't think it's helpful. >> alan, al sharpton has issued a statement and he applauds the president for his remarks, no

surprise there. he said i think he set a tone for direct action and needed dialogue tomorrow in an unprecedented 100 city movement that we organized in less than six days, shows the outrage of our community. alan, al sharpton is using the esident to sort of gin up his, you know, outrage protests. do you worry that the president now might felt blaget blamed fo outcome of the protests? >> i don't have any hand wringing and don't think anything is being ginned up. >> you don't think al sharpton is ginning it up? >> i think al sharpton has evolved quite a bit over the years and a lot of people want to be heard and have peace fful organizations when there is so much pent up interest a good thing. i'd like to disagree with chris on this. the president is not making this

racial, the president is addressing those calling it a racial matter and let me give context as a black person who had some of these experiences so you might understand why we have this dialogue going on in this country. >> chris, i want to ask you. sharpton seizes on this, too, we intend to raise the issue of "stand your go around" the president wants to re-examine that. that ignores the fact stand your go around had nothing whatsoever to do in the zimmerman case and statistically in florida, african-americans benefit more than anybody else from acquittals in "stand your go around" cases. is the president either op blifious to that fact or is he, you know -- oblivious that fact or simply trying to bring on more acrimony over a controversial subject? >> i think that's certainly part of it. this is another example of never let a good crisis go to waste. the president has an agenda. they're anti-second amendment, for stricter gun control laws.

this is an opportunity even though stand your go around didn't come -- "stand your go around" didn't come into play in this case and eric holder said he was going after "stand your ground" even though it didn't come into play in this case. if the president is going to seize on something a tragic situation, he was a community organizer in chicago and in chicago everyone knows at this point, it's practically a killing field. fourth of july weekend there were 74 people shot in chicago, 12 of them killed, including a 5-year-old boy who wasn't killed but had organs taken out because he was shot by a 24-year-old. and for some reason, al sharpton and president obama don't have anything to say about any of that. that's the real issue. more than 9 out of 10 black people that are murder in very disproportionate murders in the black community. 9 out of 10 are murdered by

other black people. seizing on this is a completely out of proportion. there must be something else behind their interest in this. >> got to leave it at that. alan colmes, chris plante, thank you. >> there's even more on this story. while the president was making his remarks, the congressional black caucus was talking about the department of justice and it's investigation into possible new charges for george zimmerman. you heard me ask robert zimmerman about that. we're going to have more in three minutes. >> i just ask people to consider if trayvon martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his go around on that sidewalk? and do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting mr. zimmerman, who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened? if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me we might want to

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♪ fox news alert on a very busy afternoon at the white house. to say the least, the president surprising reporters at today's briefs by making some unannounced and extended remarks on death of trayvon martin. moments before that we heard reports members of the congressional black caucus are meeting with the department of justice with some suggestion what the agency should be doing in the aftermath of this controversial case. we'll play you some of that. >> they are talking about trayvon martin. they haven't gotten to the other stuff yet, explaining what you guys already know about doj investigating and it's members asking questions. >> what are your concerns and what maybe doj should be looking at after the martin verdict? >> i just want them to look at the whole case from soup to

nuts, from, you know, when mr. zimmerman called the police until the very end, what we have now, to make sure, you know, to look at trayvon's civil rights and human rights and all of that. i just want other eyes on the investigatio investigation. >> a former prosecutor and defense attorney and doug burns is a former federal prosecutor. welcome to both of you. let's get right to it. doug, what is there for the doj to look at? >> politics and law don't mix. you're right, the fbi already took 36 interviews, 302s they call them, reports of interviews and it doesn't support the idea. this is just legal reality. this has nothing to do with politics, sociology, political science or legal history and everybody's jumpling all these concepts together. legally speaking there is no evidence in this record to demonstrate that the young man

shot and killed the person because of his race. and all of this political talk not withstanding, that has the reality and why the attorney general first said career prosecutors will decide this. that was a way to pass it off on them. and then, b, the president, you have to look at that carefully, said this is a state issue. that telegraphs- >> often it is, he said. >> all right. fair enough. he's going to want it to be a state issue in this case. >> as they tykeake a look at th case, given the president's remarks, what's the impact the president said on the obligation of the department of justice and the way in which they will likely move forward? >> i think the doj is going to have even additional pressure on it now to take a look into essentially, jamie, nothing, because i agree wholeheartedly what doug said, there is nothing for the feds to look at here. for them to spend one minute or

one tax dollar on an investigation as to whether trayvon martin's civil rights were violated vilifies and innocent man. how do we know george zimmerman was innocent? every person that sits on the every person that sits on the courtroom that he did is innocent until proven guilty and he was not guilty. innocent man. why do we have to vilify him? why are we net okay with an acquittal? >> what many people likely heard from the president, and i want to keep you guys over the break, i want to ask you this. president said that he him could see himself 35 years ago as trayvon martin, and the president also said he believes if the race were reversed the outcome and aftermath of this case would have been different. is that the roll -- roll -- role of the president, the role of the department of justice? that's when we come back. n@ñ@ñ

>> a former prosecuting defense attorney, former federal prosecutor, both continue to be with me now on the question of the department of justice and what they'll do regarding the zimmerman outcome. what do you think happens sneer. >> i don't think much can happen here. as we pointed out earlier, the fbi has already investigated this. a state court, a jury in florida, has already acquitted this man. there is absolutely no evidence that this crime was racially motivated. period, end of story. i can almost understand if the president wants to open some sort of discussion about race relations, this really isn't the case to do it with, but, okay, ask since it is getting such national attention, i guess you

can use it in terms of weather george zimmerman should face additional charges, federal charges for this, please, it's got to stop. george zimmerman deserves to go on and live a life. he was tried. he was not convicted. this is a tragedy on both ends. got to live the rest of his life knowing that he took a life, whether it was justified or not. >> but the civil rights part of this case was not part of the florida trial. this is a totally separate issue and now, doug, in unprecedented hex has being relatablet has to being a trayvon martin, he has been followed and women clutch their purse when they saw him before he was elected to office. there's more prow on the doj to do something, and if they don't, what about the riots and potential violence then? >> the matter is a theoretical disconnect, and what i mean is that of course any scholar of

legal history knows this country had horrific racial prejudice in many, many criminal cases. you can then theoretically disconnect and it anoint this case as a representative of the ongoing nature of that, because it doesn't work. >> there's a disconnect -- quickly, only a minute left. there is a disconnect when the president says if the races were reversed he believes the outcome would have been different? >> no but that's notgroundded in anything that is in the record of the trial. and one of the points that it want to make very quickly before i forget, the justice department has what is called the pettite policy, which means no federal reprosecution after a state acquittal unless a substantial federal right went unvindicated, and the reality is this is not the case for that. >> that the standard. guys, great discussion, thank you for jumping on this for us. >> my pleasure. >> we'll be right back. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004.

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>> certainly been a remarkable hour and a half has the president weighs in on the trayvon martin case. >> potentially unprecedented. much more coverage ahead. thanks for being with us. "studio b" with trace gallagher in for shep again right now. >> greg and jamie, thanks very much. i'm in for sheddard smith and this is "studio b." president obama made some very surprising comments on the george zimmerman acquittal, and the victim, trayvon martin, what the president had to say about the verdict, race relations and the nation, plus george george zimmerman's brother weighs in. a police officer in boston has released photos of the moment the boston bombing suspect surrendered and he said he did so out of anger over rolling stone's cover and now that officer is -- facing suspension. a former boston hit man joins us to talk about the "whitey"