records when they were talking. >> rachel is the friend that trayvon martin was talking to right before the shooting? >> correct. the witnesses that heard the noises, they helped me fill the gap. and the eyewitnesses and i think the one thing that stands out the most is the injuries to mr. zimmerman. >> what did you this i of neighbor john good's testimony? >> i got from that was just emotions he saw. whether it was, it was just the motion and fact who he saw on top and who he thought was on the bottom. those were more relevant features. >> did you think rachel was credible?

>> i did pick up some credible information from her. i do think he is a credible. >> who's voice do you think was on the 911 call? >> personally, i can't tell you who it was. from the witnesses' testimony and george zimmerman, i believe it was him. >> you believe it was george zimmerman's voice? >> yes. >> so not guilty? >> correct. >> so b-37 the juror that spoke out. did you see that interview? >> i did. i was surprised that anybody could come out that quickly and talk about this. i know when i got done and released what i thought. i don't know where to start or what to say. so i was little surprised.

i wasn't surprised that it was her, but just think it was a little bit too soon. >> what is your reaction to the protests and demonstrations and talks of a civil rights complaint now? >> i just don't understand the civil rights complaint. i didn't see the evidence there in the courtroom that anybody believe that it was a civil rights case. the protests, people would be angry no matter what the verdict was. we can't do anything about that. i hope they are peaceful. there is not destruction and not hatred a lot of anger towards the jurors. >> i know from a news perspective we talked about some of the key witnesses, whether it be john good or rachel, who were the key witnesses to you? >> i think one key witness to

me was george zimmerman during the emergency call. there was direct evidence of what he was doing and how he was communicating. i think that was a key to his mentality at the time. there was a lot of emphasis on whether he was showing ill-will or spite or hatred. i didn't see any evidence to support that in the phone call. >> you think he was profiling? >> i don't think he was profiling. there is no evidence to support that. he characterized trayvon martin as a suspicious character, suspicious person and that was all. >> then what else? >> another key thing for me it was rachel jeantel's

testimony to when she was on the phone with trayvon. you can't really -- you can't say what she was saying when except for when the phone disconnected and that she would call back. she talked to him again. at that point trayvon said he had lost a man and he was at that place. at the same time that happening, george zimmerman had just gotten out of his car in about 25-30 seconds. lay von rachel's testimony would have been down at the other end of the building. somehow those two got back at the top. we don't know how that happened.

in all likelihood in my mind, if george zimmerman walked down to where trayvon was, they both walked back up. that would imply trayvon followed zimmerman back up. then trayvon walked back up somehow. the witnesses heard noises up there mostly witnesses, believe one of them noises went the other direction. majority of them had the noises coming from the top down to the drunk where jeantel saw him laying on the ground on top of george zimmerman. i believe -- john had said, i believe it was him because the color jacket he had.

tying all those together and the injuries that george zimmerman had, that is how i came to my conclusion. >> you criticize not going back to his car, what do you have to say about that? >> there is -- um -- i think of the time he was trying to communicate to the police and was not being confrontational. he had a right to be where he was. >> when you heard the verdict, what was going through your mind and how did it make you feel? >> i thought that was an accurate verdict. first thing through my mind

was how hard i know the ladies worked to reach that verdict. looking at the evidence and did what they had to do to come up with your verdict. >> what is your thoughts al sharpton trying to get rid of the stand-your-ground law? >> i just don't under that. first i heard about al sharpton on the stand your gun law, the jury what they were asked to do. to look at the law they were given and review the evidence and make a decision based on that. they did everything they were asked to do and supposed to do. i don't under that. stand your ground to me, stand your ground was -- it

was justifiable use of force. >> are you concerned for your safety? >> yeah. i am. i want not to show my face today. it's just not yet i'm still concerned. >> and concerned for the other jurors? >> absolutely. >> greta: coming up, what is social engineering? does it have any place in the trial? that is next. with diabetes, it's tough to keep life balanced.

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sharpton to press for civil rights charges against george zimmerman who was acquitted one week ago in martin's death. helen thomas has died. she was the first woman to serve as the white house bureau chief. starting in 1943 with upi wire services. she covered ten presidents to john k.kennedy to barack obama. she died after a long illness. he was 92. i'm arthel nevil. get you back to "on the record." for all the headlines log on to foxnews.com. >> greta: what is social engineering? our a lawyer for trayvon martin's family, social jeering is part of her job description. since talking about the trial i took her to task for what she said. >> to weigh the facts, we draft them and sit there. they don't want to be there.

we present the evidence and the judge then says here is the evidence and here the law and it is your duty. it's not mine, it's not yours but the jury's duty to weigh and all of a sudden after them, they can't do their job? >> to be a social engineer. when the law doesn't get it right. we have right to object to the statement of the jury. doesn't mean that we believe overturned or it will or respect the decision that those six people made. there are millions of people that don't agree with the decision. >> greta: that is deeply disturbing. when you say millions -- you know and i know that millions of people who may not like the verdict whether for or against this case or another didn't a watch the case. didn't sit in the courtroom. didn't weigh the evidence. didn't listen to the jury instructions, that is just noise.

that is why we have court systems so people and both sides have an opportunity to be heard. this social engineering, it's like social manipulation but actually justice is presented in the courtroom with a jury deciding and bottom sides have an opportunity. that is justice and jury decided it? >> you are aware of the civil rights movement. you are aware --. >> greta: my career set up civil rights and what we have done in the courtroom for poor people. i will put my career any day you want to, jasmine. >> i haven't been practicing law as long as you have but i would like an opportunity to finish my answers and explain my answers to you. >> greta: go ahead. i'll let you? >> i think that when i'm talking about being a social engineer, george zimmerman would never have been

arrested except for the out cry for black people, democrats and republicans. he was arrested and he was tried by a jury of his peers. i don't believe the jury got it right. fal government has every right to bring the claim. >> greta: defense lawyer ted williams is back the with us. she also says never been arrested, arrested by the mob because one prosecutor had passed on it. mob influence and the jury considering the evidence not guilty perhaps the first is right and not the second. your thoughts? >> i listened to that shootout between you and jasmine errand and i have done research on social engineering. if jasmine can walk it back she would explain it in this manner. during the 50s, a howard university professor named charles houston coined the

phrase with social engineering. it had primarily to do with thorogood marble and those individuals walking through the south to bring about social justice and change. that had nothing to do with respecting the jury. i think that is when ms. rand got her words mixed up. the fact about it, that jury sat there and listened to the evidence. we may not like the decision but we have to respect the jury's decision. we can't take on and become bullies against the jury. perhaps if you want to go in some other direction, do other things, fine, but social engineering to me has nothing to do with the jury verdict. >> greta: i don't think i can say another word so thank you, ted. straight ahead, you will hear from an expert with it. zimmerman defense calling the use of force expert to the

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$1500 consulting fee and $125 an hour by the defense. the zimmerman team is callingm him an expert in self-defense, but on cross-examination prosecutors tried to turn thepr tables. >> there are alwayso options in every force event. a it is a matter of what you as an individual see as being your options. >> the defendant didn't use any other options, did he, other than pulling out theidn' gun? >> well, i mean, if we go downe the path where he was the one he vocalizing he was screaming for help and there were other options. he obviouslyhe continued to try to resist. he was doing the -- they refer to the shrimping technique w where he moves around. as far as drawing a conclusion, i don't know what else he could have done based on his abilities.on h not to be offensive to mr. zimmerman, but he doesn't seem to have any. >> dennis root joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> you were not a factness

witness.re you were an expert witness which means you are allowed to give an opinion. what was the opinion that you gave to the jury? >> well, i had to be cautious in what i said to the jury. my overall opinion is that based on everything i had reviewed i had determined thath mr. zimmerman hadat not violated any florida statute out in the use of deadly force and this event was objectively t reasonable.us unfortunately i couldn't actually say that to the jury so i had to relate the information as best i could and providing them with insight into how the event unfolded. >> the reason that you would not be allowed to do that,d. because that's the ultimatehe issue, and that is the jury'sat job and not yours. that's why you were not permitted to do that. you testified that trayvon martin was capable of physically overtaking george zimmerman despite the weight differential.pabl was that one of your opinions? >> absolutely. based on everything i had seen and learned about both of thed n individuals during my review

of the evidence in this case, i came to that conclusion. >> would it be equally true though that george zimmerman was physically capable to overtake trayvon martin? would the flip side be true inin your opinion? >> when you say physically capable, you know, i have to take into consideration effing i know about the gentleman. weight wise is the only thing you can use as a comparison in m that regard. based on his background and training and effing about him, h i didn't think he would have thee physical prowess tos overtake trayvon martin. is >> what is it you knew about his physical abilities or lack there of?k what did you review specifically? >> the biggest source of information or the greatest source of information i hadi was from the gym owner that own assisted him in training andng a developed the programs for him m to lose the weight and try to get into some other physical type training programs to -- for weight loss and skill development. he was the greatest source where i learned that in fact was not

progressing in any of the physical rs -- physicalses. course. >>ta the justice department is doing something unusual. they are soliciting comments from the public about george zimmerman. why are they doing that? the answer is next.

when i look at what happened in this trial there gre seems to be no evidence of racial animosity by george zimmerman.aci i think the prosecutors, the defense team, witnesses have said that race wasn't part of this case. i think this will be a high par hurdle for the department ofill justice to make a decision to fr move forward on the civil rights violation. >> the justice department is investigating whether to press civil rights charges against zimmerman or not. in an unusual move the doj setting up a public e-mail address asking for tips or information about george zimmerman. and now the fbi telling the sanford police not to give zimmerman a gun back yet. th is that the start of a civil

rights case? thanks for joining us for this special edition of "on the record." good night. this is a fox news alert. this afternoon the president of the united states once again put himself and his office in the middle of the trayvon martin controversy and the heated race debate. listen. >> when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. when you think about why in the african-american community at least there is a lot of pain around what happened here. i think it is important to