as always, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled, the news continues right here on fox and we'll see you back here on monday. nce, i'll see you tomorrow, thank you. 2,000 years ago, one super power, rome, dominated the world. it became famous for its military and for having rule of law and a stable currency. people could rely on it. they built beautiful buildings. rome, aqueduct. they created art and literature. rome flourished for more than 200 years in relative peace and prosperity. but then it crumbled. why? well, political leaders grabbed power. that power turned many into tyrants who indulged in did he bauchry and corruption. they raised taxes to pay for war and increased regulation. when the masses complained, they

tried to please them with handouts. sound familiar? is this what's happening to america? well, a thousand of us gathered here to debate that question. and that's our show tonight. [ applause ] and now john stossel. [ applause ] tonight i'm in las vegas, nevada, for a special edition of our show. i'd like to say that all these people came here just for that. but they really came for freedom fest. the world's biggest gathering of free minds. this year's topic, are we becoming rome? now, free minds, that's a phrase we libertarians like to use to describe ourselves. this is basically a big conference of libertarians and i think our minds are unusually

free, right? [ cheering ] [ applause ] >> we had to free our minds to but a lot of people think we're crazy. but on to tonight's topic. rome. is the united states about to fall as rome did? here's the depiction of barbarians sacking the city. is this our future? first we hear from a conservative, historian and a libertarian. the conservative, steve forbes of forbes media. you have some libertarian leadings, but conservative, i would call you. the historian, carl richard, an expert on rome. the libertarian, matt kib i, a group that fights against big government. first, are we becoming rome? >> i think we are. the parallels are ominous. the debt, the expansion is foreign policy, the arrogance of executive power taking over our country. i do think we have a chance to

stop it. >> carl? >> i think there are similarities not only with the fall of the empire, which is what most people talk about when they talk about the fall of rome. most of the fall of the republic which was 500 years earlier and there i see romans engaging in unconstitutional acts, political leaders and so on and i see some of that. >> unconstitutional acts like stuffing ballot boxes, corruption, what -- >> that did happen. the sort of under the table corruption. and that's bad obviously. but it doesn't bother me as much as the overt things. for instance, marius was elected council six years in a row even though it was term limited to one year. people just kept voting for him. they knew it was unconstitutional. that kind of stuff. >> now we have congress passing laws they haven't read. >> right. we have presidents of both parties legislating by executive order. saying i'm not going to enforce

certain laws because i don't like them. we have bureaucrats, legislating through regulations. we have supreme courts saying it's constitutional for the government to take your property and sell it to someone else because he can give us more tax revenue. there are a lot of examples. >> steve? >> well, yes, you can always find parallels. but the fact that we're meeting, i think, shows that the antidote is coming about. we the people have not gone the way of been corrupted the way the romans were. we're not passive. we saw it with the tea parties and despite irs suppression, the tea party movement is coming back again. you'll see it in 2014 and 2015. [ applause ] >> and they may try to feed us to the lions, but we're going to own the lions because we believe in free enterprise. [ applause ] >> that's a happy thought. i wish i were as optimistic as

you. but i fear we will become rome. let me just poll the audience. are you as optimistic as steve? how many think we're going down the tubes, we're in deep trouble? [ applause ] most. >> how many of you think we're going to turn it around? they can't both be true. [ laughter ] but, again, you are not a normal audience because you're libertarians, right? [ laughter ] wacko birds according to senator john mccain. that's what he calls the libertarian minded politicians. but walking around here at this conference and seeing the tea party booths and people selling investments in gold and game show quizzes that test your knowledge of dead austrian economists. [ laughter ] you have to kind of understand why we get our reputation as

eccentric and wonkish and different. is this unfair? is this fair? >> no. >> come on. isn't this group mostly men, mostly badly dressed men? [ laughter ] my going to libertarian events, this is what i notice. people who care about numbers, less about how they look. i think steve forbes is a perfect example of this. [ laughter ] the epitome of the wonkish geek. is this unfair? >> you're sounding like my opponents. i didn't expect that from you. but let's face it. people who make things happen. you could describe our forefathers, our revolutionaries in the same way. there are always minorities. see something wrong, become

agitators and change the world. we've done it once, we'll do it again. we are going to be the leaders. >> you of all people should know. don't look at the superficial. look at the substance. we've got the substance. that's why we're going to ultimately win. [ applause ] >> i admire -- this is the optimism that makes america possible. matt, what about my libertarian slur? i look at your sideburns and i think people would say, this is not a normal guy. [ laughter ] >> definitely guilty as charged. >> you go to a thousand of these meetings. are the people different? how? >> we're different because we have read books and we do care -- [ applause ] >> but social awkwardness is not

a sin in the defense of liberty. [ applause ] >> and any psyche lodge -- i'm socially awkward too. i overcome it because i have to, because i have a tv show. ask my friends or imus, he'll tell you i'm socially awkward. what is it about many of -- people who like to analyze, i mean bill clinton the opposite, he felt your pain and then spent more money. personality type? >> you know, economists would argue that everything we do when we fight for freedom, when we show up at rallies, when we care about the future of our country, economists would say that's irrational. we happen to think it's the best thing to do because we care not only about our country but our future and our kids' future. that's not normal in this country. that's what we have to fix. >> it's part of our culture. entrepreneurs are always outl r outliers when steve jobs said do

you do marketing surveys, he said no. because people don't know what they want until we show them. that's a typical entrepreneur. put it out there and see if they like it. oftentimes you fail. but that's what freedom is about, take a chance, fail. do it better the next time. we could still be living in caves if we accepted conventional wisdom. >> we'll try to show them tonight. do you have more historical perspective thinking about comparing america to rome. >> i'm talking about the late empire. the high spending -- >> they had high def and high spending. >> evaluation of currency. there's another one. the empire owe so so so-called silver coin was 2% silver. it got to the point that the roman government would not accept its own currency in taxes. you had to give goods. we're not there yet. >> thank you, carl. matt kibbe.

steve forbes. coming up, gladiators, devalued currency, a growing welfare state. other ways america is just too much like rome. [ applause ] [cheers] [applause] ready? happy birthday! it's a painting easel! the tide's coming in!

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welcome back to freedom fest. now, the welfare state. america didn't invent the welfare state. europe had one and even rome had one. i didn't know that until i came to this conference. and two people who have educated me are charles murray, author of losing ground, the book that woke america up to the destructiveness of welfare. and larry reed of fee, the foundation for economic education. larry, i learned from you shall the welfare state began about halfway through the roman empire. >> that's right. it took the form first of payments to recipients in the form of subsidized grain, government gave it away at half price. but the problem was that they couldn't stop there. later, there was a man who ran for the office of tribune on a

platform of free wheat for the masses and he won. it was downhill from there. >> and they gradually raised taxes and gave stuff away. >> including a free salt, free pork, free olive oil, other staples of the roman diet. >> people would show up and -- >> yeah. there would be long lines. they had a means test at one time and did away with it so that anybody could show up and get this free stuff. >> and they decided that everybody had to be educated by the state. >> well -- >> not everybody. but they started public schools. >> well, that was late -- much later. in fact, rome grew to greatness with largely home-schooling. the first public schools -- the first public schools didn't appear until the -- around 250 b.c. and they were not funded by the government until very late. >> the greeks mocked rome for

being backwards about this. >> that's right. they didn't last as long as the romans did. >> so charles, you have educated us about welfare, about these handouts. you see parallels with rome? >> yeah. i mean, if you take a look at roman society as it started to decay, it looks a whole lot like we do now. it's not just because of the welfare state and the people on the bottom. it's also because of the people on the top who are increasingly living isolated lives from the rest of them. i find the parallels between rome and the united states right now to be very scary. >> so clearly the welfare state has unintended consequences. do we just get rid of it? let me ask libertarians. you're pretty hardcore. should america get rid of all handouts?

all? [ applause ] but what would happen first time somebody starves? >> they say charity. charles murray, you wrote losing ground. what's your answer? >> well, in fact, i think if we got rid of the entire welfare state, that the ability of this very wealthy society to deal with the problems would work. all right? but i also would say -- i'm going to go wimpy on you now. don't applaud. i'm about to go wimpy on you. i don't think it's within the realm of possibility for an industrialized advanced society with as much wealth as we have to ever do that politically. and i think that libertarians are going to have to strike a grand compromise with the leaf. in effect, saying, all right, we'll give you a big spending if

you will give us freedom from government interference. and so i'd say, look, i'm with milton freed man, use a guaranteed basic income for everybody over 21, deposited monthly electronically into a known bank account, that's a very key thing and let people take their lives back into their own hands. they will have the wherewithal that they can deal with the material necessities of life. if they do not do it, they have to talk to friends, neighbors, churches, the community. they're going to have to make their case. i think that's a better way to go. >> you wrote a book about this. >> called in our hands, yes. >> i'm going to push back. first i would say his better book is in pursuit of -- happiness and good government which really brought my mind around. but this -- you're telling me, you're going to give them the money and the crack head is

going to spend it all in two months and then the social worker is going to go on tv -- >> no social worker. >> "the new york times" reporter will go on and say, you're going to let this woman's children starve? it's not their fault. and then a whole new program. >> here's what you're going to have, john. you'll have somebody who smokes it up in the first two weeks. he's got another two weeks before a new deposit in his monthly account and say gee, i don't have any money. he doesn't have the option of going to a social worker. he has to go to the people he lives around and say, i really need help. they're in a position of saying okay, we're not going to let you die. but it's time for you to get your act together. we will introduce once again the kinds of human connections that are the only way to change human behavior. >> and some who don't find those connections will die in the street. and they'll be screaming. >> united states has never let people die on the street. what we will now have that we

don't have now, now we have bureaucrats who can't make a distinction between who needs a kick in the pants. we'll put them back in the venue of human relationships whereby you can apply the feedback loops of incentives and app row bags and disdain and stigma and all the rest which can make these problems solvable. >> and this audience is different from most in that they understand that before the welfare state, there were mutual aid societies everywhere which helped people. larry, tell us about that. >> absolutely. there's nothing about being a politician that makes you more compassionate and caring than the people who send you there. >> compassionate with other people's money. >> absolutely. i start from the premise, it's not the business of the government to redistribute our stuff. it's the business of the -- [ applause ] of government to protect our liberty. >> and in rome when they gave

out stuff, it often went to the wealthier people? >> well, without a means test, which was the case in most of roman history. anybody could line up to get these goodies. which contributed to the ultimate bankruptcy of the roman state. >> and one telling graph about the poverty rate is that the advocates of the war on poverty, welfare can say look how the poverty line dropped sharply for five years after the war on poverty began. but then you look at what happened before the war on poverty began and the line was just as sharp. people were lifting themselves out of poverty, government kept things improving and then stopped progress. >> the great untold store i have the poverty rate is that there was a miracle that happened in the early 1960s. it was cut from 40% of adults below the poverty line to about 20%. the war on poverty starts, the line continues to go down for a couple of years and it flattens

out where it's been ever since. >> because we taught people to be dependent. >> the way i put it, we changed the rules of the game that made it profitable for low income people and especially young low income people to make it look like gee, this makes sense. >> the primary beneficiaries, i think are the politicians. not the people the welfare is intended for. >> somebody once said the welfare state is so named because the politicians get well and the rest of us pay the fare. i think that's what's happened. >> thank you larry reed and charles murray. coming up, do you know that one roman emperor held orgies and threatened to execute senators' wives who did not attend. the creepiness of rome when we return. [ applause ] all business purchases.

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welcome back to this special edition of the stossel show. we're in las vegas for freedom fest. now, most people here are libertarians. we want to shrink government. we don't like taxes. but hey, we need national defense and local police. some pollution control rules, too. there's some things most of us say government must do. how are they going to get the money? taxes. got to have some, right? yes? >> no. >> it's a tough crowd here. i see why. our taxes always tend to go up. and that was part of rome's problem. say two people who tried to spread the word about the damage taxes do. persuaded many politicians to pledge to never raise taxes. economist steve moore. -- [ applause ] >> covers these issues for the

"wall street journal." so grover, rome had high tax rates. >> not always. at first for about 400 years they had no real direct internal taxes because they looted their neighbors. >> we're not advocating that, right? >> we have talked to canadians. even that wasn't enough. so they started having dramatically higher taxes. the amount of money spent on armies. it cost more perhaps than they were able to extract. >> they started with tariffs. >> they had tariffs, augustus brought us the first death tax. cons tan teen, brought the income tax. all the stuff we're living with, they were thinking up. the property taxes. so rough that people were actually abandoning their property than to say leave me alone. then they had to pass laws to not let you leave your property. so you had to stay there and

farm it so they could loot you. things got -- towards the end it got very, very rough. it's part of why things didn't work. >> one penalty for not paying your taxes being sold into slavery. >> or killed. people in modern day irs, that's what they do to us now. >> when they would demand payment in gold and silver, the only way to get it was to sell, in some cases, children into slavery. to get currency. it was that bad. >> but 1% i read was the highest income tax. >> what happened, grover is exactly right. what happened in rome, one of the reasons rome fell was they kept collecting more and more money from the tributaries, the outlying areas and it all went into rome. you had a massive revolt among the people all over the country who weren't in rome. by the way, that's happening in america today, i think. people are sick and tired of seeing their tax dollars sent to washington and none of it coming

back to the states from whence it came. that's one of the reasons you should lower federal taxes and let states do it. that's one of the great things about america. we're a federalist system. the states created the federal government. the federal government did not create the states, right? [ applause ] >> the reaction to the farmers that they had, they would go out and collect the taxes. >> they called them tax farmers. >> tax collectors. one revolt in asia minor, he they killed 80,000 in a day or two. >> we don't advocate killing tax collectors on this show. >> it was a four-year war that this fellow waged to put down that revolt. it was clearly a serious tax revolt. >> john to your point, the 1%, i don't know what the tax rates were in rome. when we created our federal income tax in the united states back in around 1913, 1915, the top income tax rate when the

income tax started was just 7%. within ten years, the top income tax rate from 7% to 70%. it's remained high ever since. that's why i've always believed steve forbes had it right. we ought to go back to an 18% flat tax, get rid of the deductions, all the loopholes. make it as simple as possible. collect the money you need but don't create the special interest groups. by the way, the people most opposed to the flat tax are people in washington, d.c. because you take the power away from washington. >> when we went into revolt 1774, 1775, americans in the colonies were paying 2%. our oppress sores, the brits in london were paying 20%. it's expensive running an empire. we need to go back towards 2%. i like that better than 18. [ applause ] >> 2% would be -- to be clear, we're at 40% about if you

include state and local. >> that's right. want to get towards 2%. we function fairly well. beyond that. the reason the british were taxing themselves at 20% was that they were running an empire. >> thank you grover and steve. coming up, when governments can't raise taxes anymore, they find other ways to police people, like dee valuing the currency. rome did that. america is doing it now. what does that do to a country? didn't work out so well for rome. that's next. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat mo dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better.

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purina dog chow. help keep him strong. dog chow strong. . . . fest conference. the world's biggest gathering ol people like me. people who care first about liberty. now, most of this audience hates taxes. actually, even many politiciansy

don't like them because taxing people makes people mad. so forever politicians have found sneaky ways to fund their spending.be roman emperors put less and lesm silver in issues that caused an inflation. a bushel of wheat that cost 8 na roman dollars by the next at century cost 120,000 roman dollars. ben powell, an economist at texas tech and jeffrey tucker of la say fair books.cu they say we got to be careful ha the american dollar is already going down the tubes. inflation is low. >> are you kidding me? look over time. there's grandmothers rolling over in their graves right now.r in fact, in the audience seats right now. any young person has heard ung someone say i remember when than cost a nickel. things didn't all of a sudden n get more expensive in terms of the labor we have to use. what's happened is the currency

lost value. it takes $23 to buy today what $1 could in 1913. wha when the federal reserve was created. >> you have to go all the way back to 1913. paul krugman will tell you what, inflation is, what, 2% a year historically. that's pretty good. this isn't a big mystery, b though. the federal reserve has created a lot of money with qe whatever we're up to. the banks are holding most of it back. it's not going into the price level because they're holding it as extra reer was because the k"tr# that's length out, we'll t higher price inflation. ts >> that's a form of robbery, actually. >> explain that to people. >> yeah. it's a serious issue. you can't get a return on your s money anymore from saving. really, you can't sustain prosperity without saving and s investment. that's precisely what the policies are discouraging. >> let's go back to the rome parallel. freele trade rule, they prosper

and they did what politicians ty do. >> their empire kept expanding i and bringing in more people that they could loot and bring moneye back to rome and eventually around 100 a.d., they hit the d maximum extent of their empire and there was no one left to steal from and started dee basing their currency and continuing to take the silver out of their coins. raising tax rates and over time, this was the downfall of rome t was a big government destroyed rome. >> it wasn't the barbarians. they came as the government was collapsing under its own weight. >> nero issued coins that were 95% silver. the next emperor, it was 85% silver. alls the way down to -- >> you've got a good one. 85% silver. it ended up becoming one 5,000th by that time. >> they can't tax people. this is essentially what's gone

on for the next 100 years. with the creation of federal reserve, we basically nationalized the dollar. put it under socialist style control under a cartel arrangement. we've seen its quality diminishe over the 100 years which is fascinating that it happened if you think about it. >> people worked up about this l because they look around and an they say, by and large, americao is doing pretty well. >> you know, there's a great deal of distortion in the system. people thought the real estate markets were doing pretty well in 2007. there are surprises around the corner. especially with the government that refuses to fund itself honestly. this is dishonest funding. you existence of the fed makes it too big to fail. they don't have to worry about restraints so long as the credit card is there.its there's no default risk offer i u.s. treasuries. we have this unlimited spending.

there will be no spending restraints as long as the fed is there to bail anyone and everyone out all the time. >> when inflation comes, what will the government do?wh >> the romans issued wage and sd price control. >> the united states government has already done this. when the dollar was divorced ni from gold in 1971, what came right afterwards, a decade of high inflation in the 1970s and universal wage and price controls under nixon. nixon was kind of a softie compared to the roman emperors. when it was done in 300 a.d., it was punishable by death. even still, you had the same bad consequences. decreases in quality products, distortions throughout your economy. >> and distortions, they wouldn't let you change jobs ge either to get around the control. as was said, anyone who violates requirements that they remain in their current occupation may beo bound with chains and reduced ti a servile condition.

he blamed greed. some people are always eager to turn april profit even on blessings from the gods. our shared humanity urges us to set a limit.ds >> i hate it when people use greed to explain something. greed is. constant. it's always there. pe that can't explain a price spike or a price decrease. the greedy oil companies are driving up prices. whoever says hey, look the oil companies got less greedy the price came down.rk it doesn't work like that.ike greed doesn't explain. >>. [ applause ] >> all right. one solution some people say top government playing with the currency is a gold standard. we had one for a while.re didn't really work. >> it would be a great thing.>> the t problem with the gold tender -- >> before you answer this, for this libertarian audience, how y many of you own gold either actual gold or investment? just about everybody. i imagine you watching out there, it's not so high.

you're different. why? because you don't trust those federal reserve notes? [ applause ] >> take it away. >> no. gold, really great gold tender wouldn't have the government involved. >> gold has fallen from 1600 ton 1300. some of you people lost a lot oe money. maybe this is bad advice. >> well, gold investment and the gold standard are two separate things. always a speculation what you're buying into.tion. just because -- you're not sn't necessarily recommending gold as an investment. >> seems like they would go together. that you would believe in gold -- >> it entirely depends what people's expectations of the future are. that should be embodied in the price of goal now. do we think everybody is pessimistic or optimistic. >> what about bit coins. >> listen, i'm a big fan. i think coins is one of the great innovations. it only came about four years ago. it was one in a long succession

of attempted digital currencies. >> for those of you who don't know, internet form of currency, that is limited and ought to protect you against devaluing dollars. >> that's a good way to summarize it.rs it's both a currency -- by comparison to dollar, big claim makes the dollar look like a dinosaur. like there's been no improvement in our money. big coin is a currency for the digital age.e it's more like physical property. the best thing is the government is not involved with it at all. it was created by the market it sechlt it's a beautiful thing. the most i am plausible sort of currency. if you had asked me about it ten years ago, will the market create a new digital currency that allows me to exchange with anybody in the world and central america and africa, all the rldn world's poor even if you don't have a credit card, will that happen?ha no, that won't happen.exchange but it did happen. it's brilliant. >> on that note, thank you jeffrey tucker and ben powell.

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[ applause ] welcome back to freedom fest and the question, are we rome? meaning on the route to collapse. ancient rome's rulers, trying to keep the people happy despite the base currency and corruption offered distractions and bribes. one roman poet called it bread and circuses. sometimes it was an actual circus or chariot races or gladiators sometimes fighting to the death. now, america doesn't allow that yet. but sports economist j.c. brad bury says government still does fund circuses. they take the form of sports stadiums. what do you mean? >> it's a very common thing in a community where politicians say boy, we really need something to pull our community together to keep us happy and a sports stadium is just what we need to

increase economic development, community will rally around it and we're all going to be richer. >> they say they'll pay for themselves. they don't. in atlanta, the county would receive $200,000 county will receive $30 million in parking revenue and they got $30,000. >> they said we're going to get parking rights revenue, didn't happen. >> it will pay for itself from day one. >> and these facilities never do, and the thing that's so frustrating for me to see is that it's been studied so much. >> economists like you have explained it, you say, gee, t thefootball team is going to have eight -- that is not a positive comment about human species. they're being placated. just give them bread and circuses. i think citizens today, they like sports, sports are popular.

they say why don't i go ahead and support this. >> let's go back to the rome parallel. our stadiums do pale compared what they do. was this entertainment to keep the people pacified because they were getting ticked off? >> not even just that they're ticked off, but just forms of entertainment to distract them from things that were going on. if i know a politician put a football team on the field, i'm going to focus on that. i'm not going to focus on the declining schools or the decaying roads. it's certainly something that individuals and citizens can focus on and say this is a positive thing for our community and that's why they're so popular among politicians. >> most gladiators were slays or prisoners of war.

95% of them were spared because if the owner of the slave was killed, you would have to pay the owner. >> it was a time where death on the street wasn't that uncommon. it was something people enjoyed and wanted to see. luckily we have much more pacifistic sports and we don't have deaths and we're trying to make our sports safer. so it's sort of a difference in the way we view those -- >> the arrogance of the emperors increased in 169 b.c. >, 63 african lions were hunted down in a single two-day show. they would bring them in from all over the world to kill them and the emperor would sometimes kill them himself. today we have sausage races,

club seats, luxury boxes. but it's deafinitely the same thing, it gets more and more extravagant. >> at least as problematic as our politicians are, they are not that bad. thank you j.c. bradbury. when i said that bad, we have barely touched the surface of how bad the roman rulers were. that's next. we wi goodnight.

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is america rome? no, thank goodness. we're not as bad, in 100 ways. our taxes are actually higher than rome's, but we don't have plague and we don't kill people for sport. when we go to war, misguided or not, we don't conquer or plunder. and when we win, we usually ollie, th leave, that's different. we have google, painkillers, our presidents actually leave office voluntarily. and although our current president wastes money on

extravagant travel like his recent 100 million dollar trip to africa, niro was much worse. he never wore the same clothes twice. and when he traveled, he traveled with 1,000 carriages. the emperor, however you pronounce his name, set up a brothel in the palace. siberia set up an office of imperial pleasures, which gathered beautiful boys and girls from all over the world, so the emperor could defile them. caligula is said to have made his favorite horse a senator, as pictured here. >> allow me to introduce, a new senator on the throne. you will treat him as our peer, in every decision. >> even president obama wouldn't do that.

so arrogant as our politicians are and repugnant as many of them are, they are at least not emperors, like caligula, and executed the senators wives who didn't show up. but rome matters because empires do crumble. rome lasted the longest of all of them. the ottoman empire, is the next one that lasted 600 years, then the spanish, and the british, we have lasted less than 300 years. we're doing better than alexander the great, but in our 200 careers, we have accomplished amazing things. amazing prosperity. we just can't take it for granted because free and prosperous is not the natural state of things. in human history, it's rare. we now are starting to look a

lot like rome and we ought to worry about that. that's our show, thank you for coming. see you next week. tonight, on "huckabee." >> trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. >> why is the president inserting himself in the george zimmerman case again? >> and -- >> too often you hear politicians get up and talk about having a sign of steel. i actually have one. >> he sued the obama administration over 200 times, now he's running for governor of texas, how he plans to continuing fighting obama care, a "huckabee" cloouf. >> he's a teen idol. ♪