lot like rome and we ought to worry about that. that's our show, thank you for coming. see you next week. tonight, on "huckabee." >> trayvon martin could have been me 35 years ago. >> why is the president inserting himself in the george zimmerman case again? >> and -- >> too often you hear politicians get up and talk about having a sign of steel. i actually have one. >> he sued the obama administration over 200 times, now he's running for governor of texas, how he plans to continuing fighting obama care, a "huckabee" cloouf. >> he's a teen idol. ♪ you better love something

>> but rick springfield still has the girls screaming. ladies and gentlemens, governor mike huckabee. thank you. great audience here. and welcome to "huckabee" from the fox news studios in new york city. okay, detroit is broke. belly up. busted. bankrupt. largest city in the history of the u.s. to file for chapter 9. but a city the size of significant of detroit doesn't go straight to chapter 9. for over 100 years, detroit has been the leading edge of trends in america. chapter 1 was the birth of the automobile and creative geniuses that invented the combustion engine. much faster than horses and much

more individually than trains. and chapter 2, was when henry ford conceived a new method of manufacturing the car that would revolutionize the making of cars. cars became a you bick wit to us figure. was detroit saving america? it was precisely the motor city's prowess of turning steel, rubber into transportation to making tanks and trains and ships that gave us the tools to win world war ii. without detroit, we might all be speaking german or japanese. americans should never forget chapter 5. chapter 5 is that after the war america unleashed it's magic turning the post war era into a nation of -- and whose heavy

lifting created the happy days into which baby boomers like me were born and the middle class that gave their parents the steps of the ladder to climb beyond the poverty of the depression and the pain of the war. chapter 6 was detroit's contribution to the culture. it was the green house of the music of our lives, from the immortal moves of barry gordy's motown sound to nugent, mitch rider, the mc5, america's pop culture. it's influence would shape our taste as much as white wall tires and bucket seats. chapter 7 was one of america's largest cities, being rocked by the race riots of the 60s and the beginning of the polarization that led to the white flight to the suburb an the beginning of a population decline. chapter 8, that was detroit being utterly ruined by

breathtaking corruption at its local government and by union demands for a bigger piece of a shrinking pie both in the public and private sector. the city's government didn't have the will to reign in the corruption nor the guts to say no to the unions and that took them to chapter 9 bankruptcy. the saddest part of the detroit story, is not that it's the story of a failed city who couldn't, it's the story of one of the world's great and most successful cities who could and who did great things. but then was willing to sell its soul for lesser things and to tolerate unthinkable things. its unemployment rate is triple since 2000, twice the national average. it's street lights don't work a whole lot more regularly than its people. 40% of its street lights stay dark and for 20 years it's been considered one of america's most dangerous cities. it takes the police in detroit

an average of 58 minutes to respond to a call, compared to 11 minutes average elsewhere. just under 80,000 city structures have been abandoned. detroit was once the leading edge of america, and now the bad news, it still is. take a good look at detroit in all of its former glory and current gore and know that as it has been on the front of america's trends, it still is. detroit is today what the rest of america is on track to be in another 20 years. reckless spending, corrupt unaccountable government and caving in demands from those who are dependent upon its cowardice to never say no. if we don't learn from detroit's collapse, the rest of america will be the next chapter. >> that's detroit affiliate

reporter and pulitzer prize winning roadwayer set out to golf across detroit. but he didn't shoot just 18 holes, he golfed across 18 miles of the city. and the obstacles that he found along the way are a lot more challenging than some of the world's toughest courses. >> reporter: right from the get-go, i'm realizing this here might be the stupidest idea i have every had. it's 100 degrees, i'm wearing black and i can't golf. but i'm committed because they're talking about reinventing this city, what does that mean with millions incuts? what does the city really even look like block by block? wholies here? what do they want? what do they need? has anybody asked them? besides, how many cities are so

empty, you could take a full on swing. oh! >> they won't do nothing, they won't cut the grass. so let's all play golf! >> i'm golfing the city. i'm on fire. # how's the city? >> the city's on fire too, man. >> reporter: detroit today reminds me of those old black and white photos of the dust bowl, and like everywhere in america today, people are desperate for help from a government they don't trust. >> got to make the neighborhood.

downtown you're doing more for downtown, but what about the people who live outside of downtown? >> nobody's coming to cut the grass. they don't make enough money to cut this grass. >> i'm stick and tired of this administration, i'm sick and tired of the economy. it's just time for a whole clean slate. >> you got to work on the streets, not in the country, but in the world. >> joining me now, above the law editor and communications director for california congressman dana robacher. this breaks my heart about detroit. the people of michigan are wonderful people. now we see it in tatters. president obama, i want to play a little clip because i think it's significant before i ask each of you to respond. this is what president obama said about detroit a little over

a year ago. >> we refuse to let detroit go bankrupt. i bet on american workers and american ingenuity and three years later that, debt is paying off in a big way. >> okay, he said i'm not going to let it go bankrupt. these bets are paying off in a big way. what happened? >> i think what we see, right, is that maybe there's a big difference between betting on american corporations and betting on american people. i think what we see perhaps is that corporations are not people and that maybe we should bail out people and not the corporations. go ahead, terry. >> so we're blaming capitalism for the downfall of detroit? no, how about we look at the corruption, the generational democratic rule in that city, the unions that held that public sector hostage, the city hostage as things were changing in the industry, in the car industry there, they didn't adapt. and the level of corruption and democrat rule, throw money at the problem, we're going to do whatever the unions say, that's

what led to the downfall of detroit ultimately. not american corporations. >> this is a clip from detroit councilwoman joanne watson who i think put in perspective what a lot of people are looking for from the federal government. watch this. >> after the election of jimmy carter, he went to washington, d.c. and he came back home with some bacon. that's what you do. that's what you do. >> is that what you do, elliott? i mean that's the problem, isn't it? that they just kept waiting for uncle sugar to come rescue them. >> there's also a math problem here. the tax base left. when we talk about public unions, remember we're not just talking about private unions, we're talking about public unions, police and fire and things that a lot of people don't want to cut services to. the question now is do we invest

in public service ors not. >> i hear the word spend and i hear the word spend to a government that is utterly corrupt. the population is half of what it was in the 50s. >> the crime rate went up after the riots, they never recovered. and people said, we're not going to live here, it's not safe. then you had the police and firemen union are not the unions that bankrupted this city. a lot of people say, oh, the policemen and the fire. i grew up in a family with a policeman and fireman grandfather, my father-in-law is a police officer. these unions are not bankrupting these cities. >> if we're not going to invest in detroit, we need to just sell it to canada because canada seems to be able to balance government services and creating a strong business environment. if we're not going to put money into our cities, maybe we should sell it to somebody who will.

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on friday, president obama made a surprise appearance in the white house briefing room and he made his first comments about the verdict in the zimmerman trial. >> if -- from top to bottom, both the outcome and the after math might have been different. >> the president said that this would be different if the teenager had been white.

but the bigger issue, race was not a part of the trial. it wasn't a part of the fbi, they said they couldn't find any racial issue here. the trial judge didn't bring it up, the prosecution didn't bring it up. why does the president bring it up and attach it? why didn't he rise above it and say race is an issue, we need to talk about it. but let's not tie it to trayvon martin, that's a whole different kettle of fish. >> clearly he didn't believe that, and there's a lot of people who do believe that race was a part of this. >> does he know the fbi and the prosecutor and the judge in that case? >> i think what obama is saying as a black man, yes, and he has the right to say this as a black president, he does have a special insight into this case than perhaps other people. if george bush can run around saying don't mess with taxes, then obama is allowed to run around saying stop messing with black hail children. >> i looked at this with great

sadness, as i watched this unfold yesterday live from my office in washington and i said to myself, how dare the president of the united states lower himself to the same level of these race merchants who are out here trying to gin up riace relations. he's the president of the united states, he's not the black president, he didn't run that way, he ran as a man who was supposed to transcend race. and this was a missed opportunity for him to come in and say, you know what? this case was not about race, this case was about the rule of law. actually he never should have commented on it in the first place, it's a local place and he should have kept quiet about it. >> he's not the president of just black people. >> he was yesterday. >> but he is a black president. >> he was the president of black people yesterday afternoon. >> he is a black president and as a black president, he had

something to say about this and i don't think that it's right to say that he's not allowed to speak about it. >> i didn't say he's not allowed to speak about it. i just thought it was beneath the office of president to inject race that way. >> wouldn't it have been more appropriate for him to talk about the big role that race does play in this country. a young black kid who does fewer drugs than he admitted to -- >> i understand that not everybody agrees with me here, but as a parent to a black son, i don't know how many bigger issues you can talk about than black children being followed and shot. this is a big issue. >> but more are shot by their own. are you going to explain to your son that he needs to be fearful of his own black peers? >> i have to explain to my son that he will be looked at

differently than his white friends. >> and why is that? >> and that is the sad thing that i think obama was trying to talk about yesterday. >> there also needs to be reflection within the black community why that is, why aren't we talk about the fact that 70% of black children are born without fathers, the level of poverty, what's going on. not saying that trayvon martin deserved to die, i don't want anyone sending me hate mail on twitter about that, but this was a tragedy. where was barack obama and jesse jackson and all of these other race merchants, someone used that expression, i love it. where were they all when what's going on in chicago, in any urban city, where black on black crime happens every day. we don't want to talk about that at all. >> there's a sound bite i want to play, it was robert f.

kennedy the night that john f. kennedy was shot. that was something that was in fact a race crime. absolutely a race crime. i want to see that because i think it will put into perspective what we look for when a leader stands up in a moment of crisis. here's robert f. kennedy. >> what we need in the united states is not division, what we need in the united states is not had threat, what we need in the united states is not violence and lawlessness. but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another. feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country whether they be white or whether they be black. [ applause ] >> that was from a speech in indianapolis april the 4th, 1968. >> all right, he's running for

governor in texas, he's trying to best to his obama care out of his state. greg abbott is going to join me in a moment.

on thursday, texas governor rick perry signed into law new abortion limits that would outlaw abortion after 20 weeks. it would also require doctors and hospitals to meet much stricter standards. attorney general greg abbott announced hiss candidacy to succeed perry who's not going to be running for a fourth term. mr. greg abbott joins me. let's talk about the legislation that was signed.

i know thatg advocate for it. it now has passed, it's been signed and you're getting sued. it will be your job as attorney general to defend it before the supreme court but it's not something new to you. >> i have been involved as the attorney general in texas to defend life in court and that's what i will be doing with this new law. i took the lead among state attorneys general in defending the partial birth abortion ban and we won at the united states supreme court. i took the lead as the state attorney general in defending the parental notification law and we won both in the united states supreme court and in texas. i have taken the lead in defending a texas law, the sonogram law and we defended that and we won. now we have this new law passed out of the state of texas that's going to, the governor both better protect the health care of women who go through the abortion process, but also do a

better job of protecting innocent life. i believe when this case goes to the united states supreme court, that we can win in this case also. >> one of the cases that you have been involved with is that texas was one of the first states to sue the state of texas over obama care, saying it was an encroachment over what the state has the right to determine in terms of insurance. now the president himself has backed away from a major component of obama care, namely the employer mandate. does this vindicate the lawsuit that you and other attorneys general filed across the country? >> the very day that the president signed obama care into law, i joined with other state attorneys general to file a lawsuit. but we also knew at that time, the train wreck that obama care was going to be with regard to our health care system and how completely unworkable it was going to be to try to try to

implement it into law. it looks like president obama is just now realizing what we have known all along, and that is obama care is completely unworkable, they're not going to be able to implement it. it is harmful to employees, to workers in this country. if you look at just what the national labor unions came out and said this last week, they said that this is going to be a disaster, a nightmare was their word for the average, every day worker, harming both their health care system, but also harming their ability to have a 40-hour workweek. >> we just have been talking about detroit earlier. texas has had the opposite experience of detroit, you have so many people moving in, business is booming, the unemployment rate beats that of the national average. you have seen the plight of detroit, now the largest city in u.s. history to go bankrupt. maybe you ought to offer them some advice. and what would it be, maybe when the election is over, governor greg abbott says to the people

of detroit, here's how you fix a bad economy? >> the texas model has worked. the texas model has been based upon several things, one, to keep government small. don't increase the size of government like they did in detroit or like they do in california. two, keep your tax policies low so that it attracts business enterprises and allows the small business owners in burglparticuo keep more of what they make. the third thing is that texas has been a right to work state, so that we are free from some of the union abuses that led to the downfall of detroit in the first place. if you believe in free enterprise, if you believe in seeking economic opportunity, the texas model is the right model for you. >> well, mr. attorney general, it's always a pleasure to visit with you and look forward to talking with you again soon, mr. greg abbott, attorney general for the state of texas, thank

you for joining us. my reaction in the quotes of the week is coming up next.

live from america's news headquarters, i'm robert gray. a gruesome scene in ohio tonight as police are going door to door searching for bodies. east cleveland police uncovering the remains of three women bound and wrapped in garbage bags. one suspect is in custody, police picking up this man on friday after a standoff. he reportedly told police he was influenced by another notorious serial killer. past due or right on time in that's the question as the world awaits a new addition to the royal family. kate middleton's due date has been shrouded in secrecy see. she may be two or three days overdue, whether it's a boy or a

girl, the baby will be third line in for the throne. i'm robert gray, now back to "huckabee." well, there's been a lot of outrage over the current rolling stone magazine cover, many claim that this glamorizes the boston bombing system, dzhokhar tsarnaev. this guy's getting rock star treatment, but he's not a rock star, so we're not even going to show the cover. this was the cover of rolling stone when jim morrison was a rock star. dzhokhar tsarnaev is not a rock star, he's a murder and a monster. >> what rolling stone did was wrong, this guy is evil.

this is the real boston bomber, not someone fluffed and buffed for the cover of "rolling stone" magazi magazine. sergeant murphy got in a little trouble. his disciplinary hearing has been suspended with pay, but to most people in boston, sergeant murphy is a hero. because he stood up to what he believed was something horrible. he probably should have some disciplinary hearing to keep things all clear, and people understanding that there are rules and we need to abide by them. but after being suspended for a day with pay, he will experience something else in boston, a ticker tape parade, because most people in boston don't appreciate the cover of "rolling stone" not because they put his picture, but because they

glamorized and glorified this guy who did nothing but bring mayhem to the people of boston. to you sergeant murphy, i join the people of boston in saying, way to go. cnn's chris morgan interviewed -- talk show host larry elder who's been on our show many times. he reacted by tweeting this. piers morgan describes rachel gentell is one smart cookie, it explains why the 19-year-old is still in high school. later he invited her on the show, and let's just say, it did not end well. >> i want to say to black people. i think you're stupid for staying that kind of thing. >> that wasn't my question. do you think she's stupid,

larry? >> racism is not a major problem in america anymore. the number one problem facing black people is the number of black people born outside of wedlock. >> he said it well there, so i don't have to repeat it. but the interesting thing is all in the name of trying to bring greater understanding, there's been more hostility this past week as people are trying to divide over the race issue in the george zimmerman case. as we tried to establish in the earlier segment? this issue was not about race. it was a horrible tragedy. what's even more horrible is that people of all colors are gunned down in this country every single day and most of the time it's not self-defense, it's just cold blood ee eed savage m. let's giver a birthday shoutout,

one of our -- the lander one shot antelope hunt that happens every year. one of the greatest events in america. she's turning an impressive 105 on tuesday. she is celebrating as many birthdays as new york has temperature right now, 105. happy birthday and i hope you have many, many more. coming up college football coaching legend lou holtz .

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earlier this week after receiving complaints, the pro football hall of fame in canton, ohio removed a photo of aaron hernandez from the museum. hernandez who has been charged with the murder of 27-year-old oden lloyd is one of four nfl players to get arrested this year alone. there's been 650 arrests involving pro football players just since the year 2000. one of the most notorious cases was the dogfighting conviction of michael vick who served nearly two years in prison for his crime. but it's not just football players who have long rap sheets, dozens of professional baseball, basketball players have been arrested over the last decade. including jason williams who

pled guilty of assault of a limousine diver and served an 18-month prison sentence. but why do so many of these athletes feel like they're above the law. steve lawrence is a hall of fame football coach who led notre dame to the championship in 1978. in 1978, he suspended three starting players, including his two top scorers right before the orange bowl because they happened to break some team rules. they were going against heavily favored oklahoma. the razorbacks won the game, 31-6. i had the chance to speak to coach holtz earlier. these football players, baseball players basketball players get to a level they sometimes feel like that they don't have to play by the rules what's gone wrong? >> i think whether we're talking about politicians, business people or athletes, when they become successful, they think they become invisible, they can

go anywhere, do anything they want. they also think they become invincib invincible, that nobody's going to hold them accountable. life is a matter of choices, governor, if you choose to do drugs and drop out of school, you choose to have problems in life. and these people have made bad choices and they have never been held accountable. it's always been somebody else's fault. >> how much can the coach influence some of these players, i know it's a little different at the nfl. go back to your experience, the light before the game, you sa suspended three players and everybody thought you were crazy, because they thought that kills the razorbacks chance of winning the series. >> discipline is not what you do to somebody, it's what you do for somebody. if you overlook certain things, you're saying this is okay to do that for the rest of the team. if you say we have rules and

regulations, then everybody has to adhere to them. i didn't decide to suspend the athletes, the athletes chose not to play the game when they chose to violate the rules. you say these are our core values, we aren't going to compromise them. if you choose to do this, this happens. choices have ramifications, but we always have people making excuses for everybody else. well, he didn't have a father, he was abused, et cetera. but there were other people who had these same experiences that went on to live very, very urba yours, is it even fair to bring up former coaches for some behavior that has exhibited itself in the nfl? >> i think that's totally unfair. i know urban meyer very well, and i promise you, he has great morals, values, he would not

under any circumstance compromise the integrity of the university or the football team by overlooking things. once again, now it's somebody else's fault, it's not aaron hernandez's fault, it's somebody else's fault. i think as a football coach on the college level, you have an obligation to make sure that that individual receives an education on how to make a living, but also an education on how to live, that's your on gra obligation, when they leave your program, they should be better people, i never felt i coached football. i felt i coached live. i also coach in the nfl. i had a quarterback by the name of joe namath, he partied all the time, there were all kinds of stories about him. however when he showed up for football, he was a great football players, a great leader, a tremendous player. i have no problems what you do outside campus as long as you

show up and play football. but at college, no, if you choose to do this, you're choosing to fail at life. so i'm going to do that at the college level. >> coach, you have had a remarkable career, specifically at the college level. if you could council some of the coaches who are in the ncaa ranks today what would be your advice to them to keep your guys in line? >> i would say this and it's not very complicated. one thing that should be emfized at home and re-enforced at school, respect for the law, respect for teachers, respect for elders itself. you have to make people make good choices and say this, if you make bad choices, you're going to have to live with the consequences of it. how do i make good choices? do everything to the best of your ability. you have want to fail, you have the right to fail, you do not have the right to cause other people to fail because you don't live up to your obligation to do

the best you can. when you join the team, when you join a spouse, you have the obligation of responsibility. third, just show other people you care. we understand if we follow these rules, we'll be totally committed and let people know we care about one another. there's too many we'll who don't care about young people so they're always making e ining e. if you care about young people, you make sure they fulfill their obligations. you're the leader, your job is not to be well liked, your job is to make people be the best they can be. >> you have been one of my heros in life and it's been such a pleasure having you on the show today. coming up, rick springfield tells us why he's so close to his legions of fans and he'll be

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[ music ] >> whether they're up on stage, at the end of the wlnchs they're up on stage at the end of the show. ard at a ceremony, celebrities often thank their fans, claiming they owe all to them. how many of them truly mean it? rick springfield truly does. three decades after topping the charts with hits like jesse's girl and love somebody, he continues to tour. over the years he's developed personal relationships with many of them. the story of his relationship with his fans is told in the documentary an affair of the heart. >> when i first started out in the '80s, it was all about me, i thought. eventually i turned around and became the joy of connection to people. >> i've seen him over 200 times.

>> he's been a part of my life since i've been eight. >> regular people. just over the top fans. he really makes himself available to fans. i think it's phenomenal. >> it's a really special connection i have with him. i'll always have. >> mike: rick springfield joins me now. rick, it's great to have you back. >> thanks, huck. appreciate it. [ cheers and applause ] >> you know they're not going to quit that easily. >> mike: this is an amazing documentary because it's all about your fans and some of them are very personal stories of how their lives have evolved over the 30 years that they've been following your career. >> right. right. i know. we go back a long way, you know. we started early. i think there's a window at a certain age, you know, early teens where you let everything in and you find where you are based on that, and then you get on with your life and your family and your career, and the window closes. i think i was -- i came in

through that window for a few people, and i think it's -- you know, all i can do is basically do the best that i can do and write the best music and perform, you know, the best of my ability and hopefully it still sticks. >> mike: well, you've brought millions of fans through the years, some of them, i mean, we've got some here on the front row in our audience today who have been following you for many years, some of whom have come from california and michigan and florida and all over the country, but they just came to be in the show. they didn't come to see you. >> right. did they know i was going to be on? >> mike: we told them after they got here, and they're thrilled. they did ask that you do a song. we'll ask that you do that now. rick springfield! ♪

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>> mike: wow. you know, the fans were out there, they were mouthing every word to the song. i know they've heard them. >> i rely on them for the lyrics, basically, most of the time. >> mike: it makes me think i should have been a rock star. you get followed by all these attractive women. >> i wanted to be a politician. >> mike: the difference is you attract beautiful women. i attract flies, roaches and mosquitoes. there you go. i think you made the right choice. rick, it's great to have you here. always a pleasure. that's it for us tonight. thank you for joining us.

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welcome to this brand new special audience edition. we'll focus on race relations and the george zimmerman murder trial. while race was essentially a nonissue inside the courtroom. now that the case is closed and the defendant found not guilty, the controversial topic has once again been thrust to the forefront of the debate surrounding this tragedy. >> you know, when trayvon martin was first shot, i said that this could have been my son. another way of saying that is, trayvon martin could have been me 35 years