>> steve: thank you, town cryer. shirley will be in the after the show show. log on now. >> brian: you're going to stick around and talk more about your sex life, right? >> yes. >> steve: she wants to sell books. >> gretchen: see you tomorrow. bill: good morning, everybody. got a fox news alert. an out of control fire burning in the gulf of mexico. natural gas well explodes, burns into flames. only hours after the it forced an evacuation of 44 workers. an ongoing story. as we welcome, would you be the queen today? martha: town crier. >> martha's back. martha: oh, no, let's not go there. good morning, everybody. morning, bill. great to be back. great to be back. bill: she finally had the baby. martha: i know. that's the way babies are. they come when they're ready.

he is a cutie. great to be back in the u.s. of a this morning. we have a story we're covering. there is this fire that erupted off the coast of louisiana. the site clearly brings back memories. when you look at this it looks like the 2010 bp experience we all remember. it is not clear what caused the fire or when crews will be able to get out there fight it. bill: steve harrigan, has the story live from miami. what do we know and don't know? good morning. >> reporter: bill, we don't know what cause the explosion or the natural gas well to ignite. we do know the timing. it happened 9:00 a.m. yesterday. that is when the houston-based company, hercules offshore, they lost control of the rig. that natural gas ignited. we also know none of the 44 crewmembers on board were injured. when they noticed gas coming to the surface they were evacuated by two lifeboats. some we know, some we don't know as this developing situation

still continues, bill. bill: what are they trying to do to get it under control, steve? >> reporter: their main goal at this point to stop that blaze. the natural gas is burning, continuing as we speak now. from aerial surveillance there is noticed that there is large cloud of gas over the rig and also a sheen on the water. bill: 50 feet by half mile. but it is dissipating quickly. there are private specialty boats in the area trying to out the flame to put out the fire. the fire is still burning, bill. bill: bring us updates what you get them. steve harrigan watching that breaking news for us out of miami. here is martha with more on that. martha: now the authorities are post-traumatic stress disordering this latest blowout will not be nearly as damaging as what we saw in the 2010 bp oil spill. that is what the deepwater horizon rig exploded off the louisiana coast. who can forget these images? it killed 11 workers. it took crews, you remember the

efforts to go down there to try to cap that? remember that picture hour after hour on your television screens. an estimated 200 million gallons were released into the gulf of mexico. bp agreed to pay millions in damages and fines. we'll tell you how bad it looks in a little while. then there is this. he warned us, right, this could happen. we might learn about some more of his dalinaces. he did not disappoint. anthony weiner came out to apologize for other sexually explicit messages with a woman not his wife. this happened a year after this whole story was all over the newspapers and he had to resign from congress. watch this. >> i want to again say how very sorry i am, who was on receiving end of these messages and the disruption this caused. and my wife as i said, my wife and i have said are moving

forward together. martha: at weiner's side his wife, huma abedin. she didn't just stand there. she spoke. we heard from her. of she forgives her husband again and wants to put all of this in the rear view mirror again. watch. >> what i want to say is, i love him. i have forgiven him. i believe in him and as we have said from the beginning, we are moving forward. martha: going to be interesting to see what the impact on the mayoral race is from all of this. julie banderas live from the newsroom with more on this morning. he faces major political heat this morning, julie. >> reporter: basically new york city public advocate and the democratic candidate, have called the congressman to step down for the race for new york mayor as well as "new york times" editorial board which last night declared amid more sex scandal accusations former congressman anthony

weiner should withdraw. this comes on the heels of a news conference yesterday no one saw something with his wife, huma abedin by his side. weiner addressed another sexing scandal following another one which ended his congressional career. >> my wife and i said are moving forward together. to some degree with 49 days left until primary day, perhaps i'm surprised more things didn't come out sooner. i'm responsible for this behavior that led us to be in this place. >> our marriage, like many others, has had its ups and its downs. it took a lot of work and a whole lot of therapy. >> reporter: the story first leaked monday on the nightlife sight the dirty which posted images that allegedly came from weiner under the pseudonym carlos danger september to a 22-year-old anonymous woman. the woman told the website the

relationship carried on until august 2012. that is well after weiner's resignation in june 2011. they also had a picture of weiner naked from the waist down. it was blurred thank god. martha: how is that, everybody, with your corn flakes? is he shot for mayor of new york city? >> he sure does. despite media calls to drop out of the race he will stay in for what? the middle class he says. he was leading in the latest quinnepiac poll. when weiner resigned from congress he vowed to get help and learn from his mistakes. due to time hine of these alleged messages we'll have to learn if voters change their minds. martha: a opportunity for other candidates. we'll see what happens. bill: he certainly has a way to hold a press conference, didn't he? martha: he sure does. bill: anthony weiner says that part of his life is over. do voters trust him? would you vote for anthony

weiner? we debate fair and balanced inside "america's newsroom." martha: moving right along here this morning, folks, we're getting reports from the russian state news agency that edward snowden has been given necessary documents to leave the moscow airport and enter russia. he has been at the airport since than a month, seeking asylum from a number of countries. fox news can only confirm that his lawyer is at the airport. it is unclear whether he will leave the airport or where he will go. he of course is the cia contractor who leaked the story of the massive nsa surveillance program. we're watching that very closely. a lot of political implications if russia is willing to take him. we'll get to that in a moment. bill: a related matter. the house is set to vote on a bill that might severely restrict the controversial electronic surveillance program. that measure would limit the nsa's authority to collect your phone records from millions and millions of americans. the white house is against it and the head of the nsa went to

the hill yesterday to try to convince lawmakers otherwise. >> we actually just went in to give them facts about the program to help inform the debate, how we can defend the country and protect the liberties. >> you think you made some progress in communicating to members what they need to know and can make a bert decision about this? >> every time we talk it helps. bill: that the foist of fox producer chad pergram in the background. the white house and seven republican committee chairman are warning that ending the program would put americans at risk. martha: look at this little guy. look at that little head in those hands a little royal wave we got yesterday from the future king of england is spending his first full day at home at nottingham college at kensington palace. his great-grandmother, the queen, arrived this morning to get her first look at the little

guy. the long wait ended when prince catherine and prince william had their baby. here is the comparison of them outside same spot in the lindo wing where i had the pleasure of hanging out with amy kellogg last couple days to watch this unfold. boy, some fantastic pictures the world is waking up to this morning, amy. >> reporter: it was quite a week, martha, wasn't it? that wave is really what everyone is focusing on. obviously it wasn't a wave but the papers are calling it the first royal wave. it really was cute. in fact here's another one, martha. in fact, it even looked more like a wave when prince william put the baby into the car seat and placed them, the baby in the vehicle before they drove off. the hand really did appear to do this. in any event, so many beautiful photographs coming out of that outside the hospital yesterday. the press is really sort of

focusing on how well kate looked and how emotive and how protective prince william looked. anyway, here is a little snippet of that impromptu press briefing they fav yesterday. >> i think any parent having a family knows what the feeling is like. >> we're still working on a name. we'll that as soon as we can. have her look thankfully. >> no, no. >> reporter: as you mentioned the queen elizabeth ii visited with her. third great grand child. we don't know if any waving went on. we don't know exactly what went on in the visit but we saw pictures of the queen at an event. she was beaming ear to ear. not often we see the queen with such a grin on her face. very happy times here, martha. martha: why wouldn't she be, with that happy family. amy, great working with you. thanks to all folks in the london bureau. it was great for us.

>> a little built of history. terrific job by the way. martha: thank you. bill: i think they're a great couple. they look great together. she looks stunning walking out on the stairs yesterday. martha: yes, she did. i mean it is a bit of history and something to watch unfold and people there, they're is an enormous sense of pride. think about the newspapers and magazines they're selling there today based on the royal family. a lot of talk whether or not they're worth it. is this little guy worth it? i think so. when they brought charles out, in the past with the royal babies they're completely covered. we didn't even get a look anywhere near at william when he came out but they clearly wanted to show the little guy off. you got a pretty good look at him. he looks pretty middleton to me. bill: he said she had her hair. i'm happy we did not have to extend your visa because i was getting worried. martha: i know. we were really glad we heard she was in labor in the hospital. let me tell you. bill: welcome back. martha: it was a good week. thanks. bill: we're just getting rolling here. watch this, folks.

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at new york's laguardia airport. watch this. >> [inaudible] [bleep] >> open the doors? open the doors? >> calm down. >> ladies and gentlemen, we are not there you need to take your seats. please take your seats. martha: they're saying take your seats. you can hear the passengers say, somebody open the door. you can't blame them, they're trying to get out of there. they're trying to calm the frightened passengers after the landing gear collapsed up into the fuselage. here is the man that shot the video. he was on "studio b" yesterday. >> next thing you know we hit and we hit hard. as you can see it knocked the camera out of my hands. i'm looking around wondering what in the world is going on. i put it out the window and you can see the sparks flying. i realized something was going wrong. we could smell smoke and something was burning and we hoped wow, we hope engine --

really we didn't know what was going on. martha: boy, they were okay. but at least 10 other people were injured in that situation. the national transportation safety board is on the case. >> president obama set to try and change the subject today, tip it back to the u.s. economy. the white house admits it has been thrown off stride a bit by what it considers to be fake issues. >> but what has been lost in some regards because of, real issues that we've had to deal with including overseas but also because of some phony scandals that have captured the attention of many here in washington, only to dissipate. bill: so by phony scandal, does jay carney mean the irs targeting of tea party groups? or the strong-arming of journalists including james jams rosen who don't agree with the white house? the numerous spending scandals or the white house's changing story on benghazi going back to last year?

alan colmes, alan colmes radio show. rich louer i, "national review." both fox news contributors. good morning to you. let's get after it here. phony scandals, rich. i guess a phony scandal to one is big deal to others? >> i don't know any fair-minded person who would think that the irs scandel is not a scandal. suspecting one side of the political spectrem to that -- benghazi they misled the public about a terror attack in the midst of a press lendings election. that is obviously a scandal. they're successfully stonewalling that one. ns amater is certainly not a scandal but certainly a legitimate subject for debate and public concern. and my big take away, bill, the white house has really no agenda that has any chance of going through congress. never had one because the president is not interested in leading from the center or really bipartisan way. so scandals are not, he had no

agenda. was sort of dead in the water already. bill: now, alan, phony scandals? this is a phrase by the way that has been used by many members of the administration for past two weeks or so. go. >> i guess rich will have to call me not very fair-minded. >> for the first time. >> first time ever. tried to use benghazi before the election to get obama out of office. it didn't work. that to me is a phony scandal. bill: phony? >> there is no there there. the president called it act of terror for two successive days after it happened. bill: four americans killed, first ambassador in 30 years. >> it is not a scandal. they want to call everything a scandal. head of the oversight committee darrell issa, as soon as he was taking that chair he was saying i want to have hearings seven days a week times 40 weeks. that is their agenda. the problem there are real issues. i think nsa is more after scandal which rich decided it is not a scandal than the others. bill: we can discuss that. we, you mentioned irs too, rich. >> right.

the irs -- bill: i don't know what the truth is here. i do know number about groups tar guested was like 292-8, conservatives to liberals, rich. >> yeah. overwhelmingly the tea party groups. now the democrats are doing all they can to muddy the waters and shame fully, are attacking the inspector general for having the temerity to bring this to light and write a report bit. i actually think the, darrell issa, the chairman. oversight committee is taking this on in a very deliberate way and steadily working his way up through the irs, from the bottom towards the top and has exploded what was the initial lie about this particular scandal it was centered in the cincinnati office and it was all lowdown bureaucrats no one cared about who were responsible. bill: maybe in the end it fleshes out, maybe it doesn't. alan, i think you would agree there are questions that still remain. regarding targetting of journalists talk to james rosen's parents if you don't think that is scandal.

what do you think about that? >> i think there is issues like the james rosen issue and nsa issue. by calling everything a scandal republicans hurt their own cause everything is not a scandal. i'm concerned about the nsa. i'm concerned about civil liberties. i'm concerned about targeting of journalists. when you call everything a scandal, you lose whatever force you have and there is no, no discerning point of view. darrell issa was embarrassed when elijah cummings released all the information about the irs found a number about groups were not just conservative tea party groups were targeted. bill: we'll check the box on nsa for both of you. we'll continue to talk about this. rich, alan, thank you as well. martha? martha: talk about scandals, the white house may have another mess on their hands right now. it involves the president's pick for the number two person at homeland security and questions about a link to hillary clinton's brother. the great outdoors, and a great deal.

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bill: former new england patriots star player, aaron hernandez due back in court today. he is pleaded not guilty to the murderer of odin floyd, the body of the victim, floyd, was found in an industrial park fleer hernandez's home. less than a mile prosecutors say. they say he orchestrated the killing of lloyd.andez is in jad without bail in massachusetts. martha: president obama's pick for the number two spot at the department of homeland security is now at the center of an investigation. alejandro mayorkas, the director of u.s. citizenship and i am min graduation services. he is accused of giving favors to a finance company run by former secretary of state hillary clinton's brother. let's find out what this is

about. peter doocy is live looking into this. what is exactly the suspicion he might have done wrong? >> reporter: martha, the allegation that he gamed the eb-5 investor visa program. those visas are the ones that give foreign businessmen a quick path to u.s. citizenship if they invest at least half a million dollars in the united states and create or preserve at least 10 american jobs. this is a program that is most frequently used by chinese businessmen and in this particular case a chinese company contracted gulf coast funds management and its president, anthony rodham, the former secretary of state hillary rodham clinton's brother to help secure eb-5 visas. the application was denied by u.s. citizenship and immigration services. anthony rodham appealed and his clients were denied again. somehow they still ended up with eb-5 visas. the director of u.s. sift send ship and immigration services is

alejandro may york can, the president's pick to be dhs deputy director. department of homeland security is trying to find out if he gave hillary clinton's brother unfair access to visas that the agency he is in charge of didn't think they should have. martha. martha: what is the department of homeland security saying about all this, peter? >> reporter: they are saying they don't have any specific evidence that show any laws were broken. the white house meanwhile was asked about this because they didn't want to comment because the investigation is ongoing although down the street at the capitol republican senator chuck grassley is pushing hard for answers. he is the top republican on the judiciary committee and has already written a letter to the fbi asking for details about these visas and about the projects in this country that are being bankrolled very often byes men from china. martha: interesting. all right, peter, thank you. bill: there is new fallout now for the police sergeant who leaked those pictures of the arrest of the accused boston

bomber. and now that man's son says he could not be prouder. martha: new timeline in the investigation into the irs targeting scandal. what was a top irs political appint owe doing -- appoint edoing at the white house two day before the new bolo outlines were put forward. bill: they have evidence of snooping on the irs records of the former tea party candidate christine o'donnell. >> i'm not a witch. i'm nothing you've heard. i'm you. none of us are perfect but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us.

martha: there are some pretty big developments today in the irs targeting scandal a new timeline shows one of the agency's top political appointees may have met with president obama days before his office put out some new guidance on how lower level folks should be screening for conservative groups and that of course raises some questions. plus, this is the second part of the story, there's new information on why delaware state officials accessed the irs records of former tea party candidate christine o'donnell when she was running for her 2010 senate campaign. now those officials who looked into her financial background, say you know it is leakily we probably destroyed the documents already that were related to that. that has a lot of folks asking

questions today as well. one of them is our friend jonah goldberg, editor-at-large for "national review" and fox news contributor. jonah, good morning to you, let's start with the first one first. >> morning. martha: we have a record of a william wilkins which is the same name as the chief counsel for the irs and he visited the white house for a meeting. the logs show he was there on april 23rd. and we know the guidelines for how to screen for these conservative groups went out on april the 25th. p coincidence? is there anything to this? what do you think? >> well, it's obviously a coincidence and i think, i think the republican, when i say probably a coincidence, it's, timing is weird. martha: right. >> we don't know whether in fact that he got orders from the white house or he informed the white house what he was doing or anything like that. that has not been established yet and it may never be established. i think the committee is doing a very good job just sticking with

the facts and not overstepping things. at the same time we now know beyond any shadow of a doubt while the white house might still be in doubt what they did, we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the irs flatly and cynically lied about this entire operation. when lois learner use ad planted question to answer, to answer a question, make a statement about the irs screening, she tried to put it all on the cincinnati employees. we now know from these hearings that is simply factually untrue and that she planned to lie about it from the beginning. and this was -- martha: yeah. >> that's meaningful. now still remains to be seen how high up it goes. idea somehow amidst all these other scandals everyone should just take the white house's word for it seems to me to be dubious at best. martha: it raidses a lot of questions obviously and the white house has said as we pointed out at the beginning of this segment there were a lot of people at that meeting from a lot of different agencies around

the country. it was a large group meeting. it wasn't as if this chief counsel of the irs was sitting there one-on-one with the president as far as we know. that is the ray it has been presented. but, that being said, this gentleman's name has come up because he was the person that carter hull said he was requesting more information on some of these tea party groups and how to go through it. we all remember carter hull the other day in his testimony, don't look at me, he pointed the finger at lois learner, this gentleman, political appointee by the white house to this position and days later we're getting this information. it is unfortunate for mr. wilkins he was there two days before because it sure doesn't look good. >> it looks very bad. it is circumstantialal at this point but same time this was the one political appointee at the time at irs that was appointed by obama. this was a guy who was a major

water carrier, probono to defend president obama when the irs looked into reverend write's church during the campaign this guy has a, he is a political operative. doesn't mean he is guilty of anything but it doesn't look good. martha: it is interesting because we're watching fingers get pointed higher and higher up the food chain. as you say darrell issa is doing this investigation in a methodical way. everyone wants to know if this leads to the white house and this is one step move to figure this out. let's move on to the christine o'donnell tax records because this is a fascinating story to me. delaware says we looked into her based on one newspaper article and we would like to help you out to explain why we did all that but those records seem to have disappeared. sounds funny. >> sound funny in this day and age when the nsa owns every piece of information, including, you know, what movies you rented three years ago, somehow the irs

doesn't have records. i always love it when the irs says, we didn't keep the records. which is an excuse no one else is allowed to use with the irs. martha: good point. >> but, i think what this is, look, there are basically two possibilities here, right? either this was a political operation from the beginning, run bit white house or political operatives around barack obama, which would be a huge scandal, or, this was basically a freelance operation reflecting upon the culture at the irs in general which would be almost more disturbing. here you have one example of many now where the bureaucrats in the irs seem to have singled out conservatives, controversial conservatives for special attention, special scrutiny and possibly, you know, special punishment. if people at the irs are freelancing that on their own, that's not good news, it may be good news politically for obama but it undermines the very sanctity of the whole idea of the irs in the first place.

go on. martha: jonah, one of the things they found, and i think you're making an excellent point just to add to that, was a lien on a property they said she owned at the time. and all of this led, there is something fishy to this woman. she is not what she seems and there is a little whackiness and it sunk her. whether she was a good senator would be beside the point. doesn't it raise questions about tampering with an election? >> absolutely it does. it is not an isolated incident. remember harry reid talking about mitt romney's tax returns. how the irs leaked information about who, who was making donations to an antigay marriage operation campaign? chuck grassley talking about, pro-life groups being told they have to give up protesting at abortion centers? there is real pattern here. there is a culture at the irs, whether driven bit irs treasury union or driven by politics,

from above, but there's a real culture at the irs says certain people with certain views deserve to be singled out and targeted. that is incredibly damning and disturbing. martha: it is troublesome to be sure and we know from polls this is the most troublesome of all of the issues out there. that's what people are saying when they're asked this question. we'll keep pursuing it. we'll see where we go. jonah, thank you. >> thanks for having me. martha: okay. bill: 41 minutes now before the hour. there is new fallout now for the massachusetts police sergeant who went public with his pictures of the accused boston bomber. sergeant sean murphy, now on restricted desk duty at this. he said he released images seen here in response to the "rolling stone" magazine cover that featured dzhokhar tsarnaev. sergeant murphy's son spoke how proud he is what his father had done. >> my dad has always been a huge hero for me. throughout this process he has shown charactertics i hope to

some day model after. if i am one-fourth of the man he is now, i couldn't be prouder of my life. >> sergeant murphy's son praised his years of service. the investigation into the leak is expected to take weeks, focuses on whether or not murphy broke police rules. we'll see where that goes. loft folks in boston were applauding what he did when the one cover came out from the magazine and the other images came out of this man crawling out of a boat, hanging on to his life with that neon red dot focused on his forehead with an officer's gun trained on him. martha: incredible contrast, isn't it, to the picture on the cover of that magazine. on twitter, people are very supportive of this man and what he did. and, you know, it is up to his department to decide what the punishment should be and they have done that but, largely they're standing by their guy. very interesting outcome in all of that. all right. so coming up the concerns that are arising now about the pope's security on his trip in brazil.

we have unbelievable images here to take a look at. protesters clashing with the police. fires are eresulting. the pontiff's own motorcade was swarmed. is he safe in brazil? bill: crazy trip, huh? plus how a group of veterans made their voices heard on benghazi. will they get answers they are looking for? in a moment you will hear live from jason chaffetz here next. >> the first week of october, there was not a single mention of a video. there was never a video that caused this so-called protest. it wasn't true then. it wasn't true now. the administration, the obama administration has not come clean who exactly made the, those changes. there was a real consequence to that.

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martha: boy, these are the scenes of pope francis's arrival in brazil. the motorcade was literally swarmed by thousands of the faithful in rio after the pontiff's driver apparently made a wrong turn and it really got too close for comfort out there.

it should be mentioned that the pope said he never felt he was in any danger but that is kind of his way. he likes to be out in the middle of the crowds. the security rating they gave themselves in brazil was positive. you heard that, right? they say there are problems because of the closeness that this pope likes to have with the people. but they say it's not a problem. cardinal timothy dolan says he was alarmed by scenes like the wrong turn and he says he was concerned for the pope's safety. cardinal dolan did add brazil and people of latin america tend to be enthusiastic by nature and enthuse fantastic they were. bill: 60-foot long petition rolled out on capitol hill, you see it here, demanding congress hold members of the administration accountable for what they call a cover-up on benghazi, libya. a petition signed by more than a thousand special operations veterans like this man. >> i know my compatriots, both retired and on active duty were

chomping at bit to be launched, we need the guts to try. that send as message. it sends a message to those on active duty. it sends a mostage to those that serve, we will never leave you behind. bill: republican jason chaffetz, member of house oversight committee, traveled to libya after the attack. good morning. tell me about the scroll. who signed it? what do they want? >> you have people who have been there, been in the fight, fighting for this country who can not stand the fact that the obama administration has continued to mislead the american public. they lied about what happened, when it happened. they have been slow-walking us and providing the american people that information and so i totally sympathize with what they're saying and, if but for the house of representatives we would still be listen together obama administration say that this was a demonstration, which it was not. bill: there's a bit of a push and pull for house republicans too because you've been having, i think what, four different committees are carrying out hearings right now.

folks like yourself, you want a select committee to look into this. and so, you do or you don't? >> no, i don't. i think the way the speaker has this with the committees doing the investigations, i think it has gone just right. >> so you're okay with that? because the speaker hasn't gone there. doesn't see it as being necessary just yet because all these committees are doing their work. i think you have a 120 law makers in the house who do. what do you say to them? >> there have been a number, there was a number of months there where there were no subpoenas going out the doors and i think there was a lost frustration. i think the house as a whole, at least the republican side have been very frustrated on the lack proving guess given what the administration is doing. i think we need to focus our efforts on the true obstruction its which are white house. speaker boehner loosened our ability to issue subpoenas. not irv time we're doing a press conference, not every time we're coming on television. week before last we did 25 hours of transcribed interviews.

there was no media about that. there is something i work on every single day. there are lots of people that work on this we are making progress. even just a couple weeks ago, bills the administration when we finally had to issue a subpoena to get somebody up to capitol hill, we had another document dump from the state department giving us more documents. bill: i remember that. you remember general carter hamm, head of u.s. forces in africa. he said early moments, this was not a demonstration, this was a violent attack. he also went on to say a quick response was not possible. and went on to defend the decision not to scramble fighter jets. so i wonder in the investigation that you're conducting here, where you believe ultimately the issue of benghazi goes? >> well, we want to get to the truth. there are, what i call three buckets. what happened beforehand and the deathtrap that was created there in benghazi. what happened in the 20 five hours during that attack and by the time we could finally get our wounded to germany? and then the lies and the

misdirection the administration gave us avenue wards. they are looking into three so-called buckets along the way. this is taking a lot longer than anybody wants to. there is one reason for that. it is not speaker boehner. it is because president obama, secretary kerry and the department of defense. they are the ones that are slow-walking this. i wish i could wrap it up and look everyone of those families in the eye, this is what happened, this is what was wrong, this is how the administration botched this but i can't do so until i get the administration to fest up and provide us the documents. but i will credit speaker boehner lately to actually providing the subpoenas needed to drag people in there we had classified hearings. we, as we go into the fall will have a series of open hearings where the world will be able to see us question these people. we doesn't need a select committee to do any of. we can do it within the committees and that's what we're doing. bill: jason chaffetz, the republican from utah. we'll talk soon. >> thank you. bill: martha. martha: first it was a saturday

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bill: meet 59-year-old louise goldsberry. she was at home washing dishes when police surrounded her home. u.s. marshal's service said they were acting on a tip. goldsberry described her moment of panic when she saw everything going on around her. >> i was washing dishes. i look in my peripheral vision and a guy looking like rambo with a gunpointed at me with a white light. i said, oh. i dropped to the floor and i yelledded to my boyfriend, get down, there is somebody with a

gun out there. bill: she said she crawled on her belly to grab her own gun. later put that down. was handcuffed by police who realized it was a mistake. martha: hope that doesn't happen every day. all right, well the postal service says neither snow, nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night will hasten the couriers from their appointed round. i like that motto. that is a good motto. but there's a problem. the congress says the whole thing costs too much. they're billions of dollars in debt. congressman darrell issa propose the postal service balance its books by phasing outdoor to door delivery. no more, mailman, mail lady out there. they would shift to a more centralized dropbox type of service. fox business network's jo ling kent joins with us the latest on this. there is some fine-tuning to what i just said because it is not necessarily everybody who has a mailman or mail woman, right? >> reporter: that's right. we don't need to worry that the

mail will suddenly disappear based on this proposal out of the house oversight committee, martha. according to the committee this would affect just over 35 million americans, 30 million at home and five million businesses who get mail delivered directly to their door, like in a door slot or in a mailbox, attached to the physical home walls. it will not affect people with curbside mailboxes like many people in the midwest and west coast. nothing is changing for them. so right now the postal service spend $353 a year walking the mail up to each house. the bill proposes changing that curbside delivery for $224 a year or those clustered boxes often at end of a driveway or apartment complex lobby. that is $160 a year. now the proposal has the support of the postmaster general. the house oversight committee says it will not affect or cause any layoffs because what they're saying is there are thousands of postal service workers currently eligible for retirement. they will just eliminate those

positions in this proposal once they have retired. of course many of the unions and other post office supporters don't like this idea very much because it would reduce size of the postal service significantly, martha. martha: all right. jo ling, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. martha: we'll see what happens to the local post office. bill: i would say in our lifetime the mailbox will be extinct. martha: i agree. 8% of what comes in the mail is of actual interest. bill: that could be too. we've got a mysterious i willness sickening hundreds in at least six states. what the cdc believes may be the cause on that.

martha: fox news alert and brand new poll numbers out on president obama this morning. his approval numbers have taken a dive to the lowest level that we've seen in a couple of years. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom," everybody. i'm martha maccallum. bill: welcome back again. i'm bill hemmer. martha: great to be back. bill: nice to have you here that way. martha: we don't have that, delay we sometimes have.

we weren't sure whether the other person was talking. bill: nice in real-time, two seconds later. martha: yeah. bill: anyway, great job. martha: thank you. bill: welcome home and they have got a baby boy. martha: they do. bill: we await the name. all the numbers now, the polling numbers, that is as the president's approval rating falls to the lowest levels we've seen in two years. "wall street journal" polling shows 45% of the americans think the president is doing a good job, down three points from last month. does approval up three points. half the country at 50%. all this as president obama kicks off a new effort to refocus attention on the economy but critics say it is more of the same and the president is out of ideas. what does the white house say about that? senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler has more on that. this isn't the first time the president tried this strategy, to pivot to the economy. wendell, good morning. what's his message? >> reporter: bill, this is true it is not the first time he tried to refocus on the economy and partly his own fault he got off the topic if you will, to

push for stricter gun laws and immigration reform although events in syria and egypt dragged him off topic and republicans arguably pushed him off with the efforts to undo obamacare and benghazi and white house irs scandals. the president will address themes in the past about rebuilding a middle class that provide a life of security and providing ladders for people to get into that middle class. the senior advisors say he wants to do it with investments that used to get bipartisan support. >> infrastructure, for example, our roads, our bridges, our ports, he will be going to a major port in florida tomorrow, jacksonville, florida. these are a critical for business and they're 1:00s the republican party traditionally supported. i think the question is what will they get back to doing what they traditionally done and not simply say no because they think that is the best way to try to hurt the president? >> reporter: valley jarrett says mr. obama is returning to themes he spoke about many times in the past because concern for the

middle class is why he got into politics, bill. bill: what has been the republican response on this, wendell? >> reporter: senate minority leader mitch mcconnell accuses president of doing endless political road shows when he wants to change the subject. he says the president should be working with republicans instead of talking at them. mcconnell says he will push to keep the spending cuts forced by the so-called sequester. >> i know the administration is anxious to undo the commitment to the bill the president signed. i'm sure they will want to talk about sequester relief. i think it's important to tell the american people, we made this commitment on a bipartisan basis two years ago and we intend to keep it. if we're going to have any chance to move forward on spending reduction. >> reporter: republicans say democrats oversold the sequester's threat to the economy. democrats say growth would have been greater without it.

>> thanks. wendell goler leading coverage from the north lawn of the white house. here's martha with more. martha: this is a snapshot of the economy under president obama. june unemployment stood at 7.6%. that's below the rate when president obama came into office. the percentage of american workers who are either unemployed or underemployed has been above 13-point% for the last 54 months. that's the longest stretch since they began keeping track of that statistic. the median income in america has dropped more than 7% over the course of president obama's tenure. it is down to $51,500. bill: how exactly has our economy changed over the last four years? here are figures now from the u.s. bureau of economic analysis from the treasury department. gdp, a leading indicator of how well the economy's doing, has grown at an annual rate of $1.9 trillion since 2008. in that time, the u.s. has added about $6 trillion in debt, which means for every dollar added to the economy, more than $3 has

been added to our national debt. martha: this isn't the first time that the administration has tried to refocus their direction on jobs and put it squarely on economic growth. as wendell said there have been a number of distractions over the last several months but the president on monday told supporters hopes this time it will be different. listen. >> here's the thing. it will be a pretty good speech. [laughter] but, but, as we've learned, you know, i've given some pretty good speeches before and then things still get stuck here in washington. martha: good speeches and then things get stuck according to the president. he says that's the problem. mark these send joins me, fellow at american enterprise institute and former chief speechwriter for president bush and author of the book, courting disaster. mark, good to have you here today. >> good to be with you. martha: i'm struck by what the president said, sort of jokingly. we got a huge, same e-mail from

dan pfeiffer. this is something different. the president is about to do something really big here this week, right? >> uh-huh. then they also said he will not say anything new. i was a white house speechwriter for five years. i don't recall ever bragging that we weren't going to say anything new in a speech. that is sort of admitting you're out of new ideas is a novel approach to presidential communications. the president, this is like the 10th time the president shifted or pivoted from jobs. by definition if you're pivoting it means you're focused on something else. the president said in those remarks, later on in the remarks you just quoted he is really looking forward to this speech because it gives us a chance to refocus on the one thing the american people sent him to wash to do. that is stunning admission. why does the president need to refocus on one thing americans sent him to washington to do? the numbers that you put up at the start of the segment tell the story. we have the worst economic recovery in american history. we just found out by the way

recently that 3/46 the american people, an all-time high, are living from paycheck to paycheck. we have 20 million people out of work or given up looking for work. we'll not get back to full employment until after the president leaves office. that's the state, that's what you get when you don't focus on the number one thing people sent you to wash to do. martha: we heard from jay carney and, we don't need to play it but basically said what you're going to hair, we're guilty of a theme, you will heard in next and all these speeches. you go back and look at what was said in all these speeches. it is the theme of education and training an tax changes. he says the country succeeds when everybody gets a fair shot. everybody does their fair share and everybody plays bit same rules. the way i interpret that, everybody get as fair shot at education. everybody gets fair share, increased taxes for wealthy which the president is very

clear on and same rules is regulation? >> something like that, yeah. i mean it's the same theme from the very beginning. what it comes down to his approach so job creation is stimulus spending. we've had since he came into office $1.7 trillion in stimulus spending this is the largest amount of stimulus spending this country ever experienced in its history and we're 66 months into the supposed recovery and we're still down 2.2 million jobs. the stimulus, big government spending approach is not working and on top of that -- martha: mark, don't you think, obviously the president must be frustrated by these numbers. this is his job. >> sure. martha: he wants the numbers to improve. why not come out to say what seemed to be suggested at the beginning of this e-mail from dan pfeiffer that we'll try something different? >> well, exactly. what could he be doing differently? think about this. let's say the president said in his speech today, i'm going to go out and call on congress to pass legislation that will punish any american business that hires more workers?

that any american business that hire as 50th worker is going to get massive penalties. if you move people into part-time employment out of full-time jobs and keep workers at 49 or below we'll reward you. if you go above 50 full-time workers, more than 30 hours we're going to punish you. people would say he is crazy. that is what he did with obamacare. that's why we're seeing the staggering numbers right now, because we actually tell businesses if you have more than, more than 49ful time workers, which they define as 30 hours a week, they will impose massive penalties. they're hiring a 50th worker and moving people down below 29 hours. we're not only doing things to create jobs we're killing jobs. martha: we definitely heard that from businesses and unions as well which is really remarkable on that front. marc, thank you very much. always good to talk to you. >> thank you. bill: the republicans counter they have fresh ideas given the president's speech today. house majority whip, kevin

mccarthy, join us at 10:30, 20 minutes away. his take for republican ideas, what they would like to be done now coming up. martha: detroit's bankruptcy hitting courtroom now for the first time this hour as a federal judge will consider what to do with challenges from retirees and other creditors who were promised packages that they probably won't get now. city officials are seeking to put a stop to the lawsuits in other courts especially after a recent lower court ruling that state officials ignored the michigan constitution and acted illegally in approving the bankruptcy over the course of the last week. this is a mess, folks and it will not end anytime soon. bill: a lot of people see what precedent sets from detroit and how it trickles out from other communities with their eyes on it. we awe anthony weiner yesterday confessing to another round of explicit texts and lewd photos. this is mower than a year after he resigned from congress for the same thing. >> these things that i did were

wrong and hurtful to my wife and caused us to go through many challenges in our marriage that extended past my resignation from congress. bill: after that his wife stepped to the side and said she forgives him but will voters? our political panel takes this up in a matter of moments. >> that will be interesting. dr. ablow is on that too. we have brand new footage of a deadly earthquake. we have first look at real-time images on a quake that sent thousands of people running for their lives. we'll show you what that looks like. bill: the battle over government spy programs with lawmakers squaring off on effort to limit nsa surveillance on millions of americans. >> the debate really comes down to whether we want to allow the nsa to collect these records or whether we want to deny them th funding to do so. love, warmth. here, try this. mm, ok! ching! i like the fact that there's lots of different tastes going on. mmmm! breakfast i'm very impressed. this is a great cereal! honey bunches of oats.

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bill: we have brand new images of the deadly earthquake in china. this captures a quake rocking the northwestern part of that country.

panicked people running in the streets. cars slowing down and power lines shaking. 95 people were killed in this earthquake on monday. more than 1,000 others in china were injured. martha: well, he has received forgiveness once. should he get it again? new york city mayoral candidate anthony weiner asking voters for a second chance after confessing to another batch of explicit texts and photos folks just got a look at over the course of the last 24 hours. they were sent a year after he was forced to resign from congress and made those first round of apologies when it seemed all this was going to be put into the past. yesterday his wife huma stood beside him. weiner reminded us all that he warned this could happen again. >> i said there were more things out there. there were, this is, you have, as a fixed times the resignation as the important moment in the public discussion. that was when the public got a

glimpse into something that we had been working on before, during and since. and, this behavior of mine was part of that. and when we, we went through this process an we became closer and worked through, through some of these challenges, this, we put it behind us and i put it behind me and frankly we're in a lot better place today or else i would not have run for mayor. martha: there it is. look at this great group we have to discuss this david webb is the host of the david webb show on sirius xm. cofounder of tea party 3656789 leslie marshall a syndicated talk show host and dr. keith ablow, forensic psychologist and member the fox news medical a-team. boy, does dr. ablow have his work cut out for this one. thanks everybody, for being here. this is huma abedin when she stood next to her husband yesterday. let's listen to that. >> i made the decision that it was worth staying in this marriage.

that was a decision i made for me, for our son, and for our family. anthony's made some horrible mistakes. both before he resigned from congress and after. but i do very strongly believe that it is between us and our marriage. martha: all right. david, let's start with you. what do you think? >> it would be great if it was between him and his wife and that was all it was but, look, we have someone here that is, one, continued bad behavior, who is going to make public policy and has shown that he can't even be honest. you just said i, martha. that august 2012, the continued texts, the explicit online messages. that this didn't end with his resignation. he didn't have his road to damascus and say i'm going to do the right thing here. who, who, standing up next to the husband, i always ask why for these women. but this guy will make public policy.

he is potentially compromisable. he worked for government since he left college. went to work for chuck schumer. he knows no other way. do we want to put someone like that in leadership in new york city who has proven he can not do the job without compromising not only his position but potentially the city? martha: that is the question before voters in new york. leslie, what do you think? >> well, i know everybody expects me as a democrat to champion one in my party but i'm a woman before i am a democrat. you know, i could forgive somebody for making an error, seeing the error of their ways and moving forward. the problem is, know that old cliche, do it once, shame on you, do it twice, shame on me? well there's a lot of shame here. my problem as a woman, the treatment of other women. the sexual inappropriateness of the position and although i have great respect for his wife i would have kicked my husband to the curb personally. when she stands there says it is between the two of them it really isn't because when you

are in public office you put before the public a lot of your personal life. and david, honest politicians, really? so the bottom line here, for me is, i don't think he is ready to run for mayor because i don't think he has truly moved on from his inappropriate, bad, sexual and perverse i behavior. martha: we'll see. narcissism is a word associated with this story, dr. keith, and you wonder when you've got so much at stake, your wife, this little baby that they brought into the world as well, what, what pushes somebody to keep going through this when they have got all of this going on and to drag the wife out there and do the whole thing? she says she is out there because she wants to be and she probably is but it's a mess. >> yeah, listen i'm all about figuring out why people do things and the answer in this cases not reassuring as to the electorate. the why of why somebody would, despite being found out once,

feel compelled to keep sending out naked pictures of himself to strangers, relates to feelings of incredible low self-esteem, questions about one's man hood. you can't trust such a a persono not do things in the public domain that pump him up which make him feel good or but not good for the city or when he was a congressman for the country. so you have a guy who is psychologically hobbled entrusting with the public good who may not be able to exercise that because he has private demons. should his wife keep him as a husband? i don't know. i don't favor dissolving families over sexual pecadillos but should the country have him as a leader or the city? of course not. he is not well. >> what about the reality that this guy is essentially a internet sex predator when you look at what he said and what he has done? you are right, any one of us did this, especially the guys we

would be labeled and possibly be prosecuted as internet sex predators. we would face -- >> not, if the person was of age. martha: it appears outhears not a factor, at least in this cson. what i would just say, where is shame and humility? peggy noonan wrote a great piece a week or soing a about the affair in england and it was a huge scandal. he dropped out of public life and turned himself to charity and wife and his family, ended up being honored by margaret thatcher at end of his life by being humble as he was. have we lost that honor in our society, dr. keith? >> i think we have lost it in a haze of internet pictures and post es. shame is the victim. if you're celebrity that's all you have to be. notorious is as good as honored in many spheres. look if anthony weiner wants to come forward and say this is my sexual orientation, i'm a

sexter, that is who i am, people could judge him and make a determination and his wife could judge him. he doesn't want to be want that. he wants to be mr. inside and mr. outside. that doesn't work because you can't trust such a person. martha: great to hear from all of you on this. david webb, leslie marshall. dr. keith. >> take care, martha. bill: a medical mystery in half a dozen states a rare virus making a lot of people sick but where is this coming from? we'll ask dr. siegel about that. plus there is this. >> oh my -- [bleep] [bleep] bill: oh, man. a couple of surprised divers with a whale of a tale to tell. wait until you see this. ♪

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♪ martha: gee go figure out this story. nine months after superstorm sandy, it appears we're getting a glimpse of what some folks were doing on the jersey shore with no power entertainment, no lights. what do you do, right? doctors say they are on track to see a 25% increase in births this month the post-sandy baby boom causing many hospitals to add extra staff. look how cute the little folks are. it is baby week, right? some are expanding to expand the nurseries and postpartum rooms as a result. what better way to spend your time when there is no electricity. bill: pretty soon these kids will be on the shore. this guy called that, the baby boom. you don't have to be physician for that. you're not on tv yet. there's a new health warning for the government. the centers for disease control looking at a mysterious outbreak of a mysterious stomach bug.

it affected 250 people in at least six different states. here is the man, dr. marc siegel, part of fox news medical a-team and professor of medicine at nyu langone medical center. doctor, how are you? what is going on with this thing? >> it is cyclospora. it is a tiny parasite. usually people get in from traveling to other countries. it is on food and in water. you can not get it by touching somebody who has it. that is really good news. if you're in one of the states, nebraska, iowa, wisconsin, that is having this outbreak and someone you know in your family has it, you shake their hand, you will not get it from that. you will get it from the food or the water. wash your hand before you handle the -- bill: foodborne illness? >> exactly. bill: that comes from people handling food that have not what, washed their hands i assume? >> exactly. i want to point out how it could be in several states. why is it in several states? because usually in the irrigation. you're growing produce in one

state or growing spinach or whatever it ends up being on. then you package it. it goes to another state. you sell it in a third state. that is how it tracks across state lines. it starts one place and people consume it. bill: what is the effects of this, cyclospora? >> it causes really profound diarrhea. that is programmatic in the heat. you can get very dehydrated. usually takes about a week to get it. here is the good news, bill, it is treatable with an antibiotic called bactrum almost 100% of the time. for people out there in these states we're talking about, sudden fatigue, flu-like symptoms, nauseous, cramping mainly diarrhea, that is what you think of. bill: one more point. the cdc is interested in this and they're concerned about it. country of 300 million people and only affecting 250. is that a big deal? >> well, first of all it is much more than 250. you have to think who is actually reporting things to the cdc. it is not everybody. plenty of people get sick. they don't know exactly why they

were sick. they go to see the doctor. it is never quite figured out. they can test for it but it is much more than 250. but it is also growing. it is a growing problem. bill: the point you made earlier in medicine you look for trend and this is a trend you find. >> among produce, water and a trend in the united states. bill: wash your hands. thank you, dr. siegel. >> good to see you too. bill: thanks. martha: there a new showdown over a potential government shutdown. republicans are willing to play hard ball to get the economy back on track they say. majority whip kevin mccarthy will tell us what the gop strategy will be. bill: we have a vote coming up in the house that could potentially end the controversial nsa surveillance program. is that a good idea? general jack keane, his thoughts moments away.

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martha: republican lawmakers gearing up for a new showdown with the obama administration. backing up a proposal to shut down the federal government this time unless there is a complete defunding of the residents health care law. will he get them anywhere? we are with mike emanuel live on capitol hill. mike, what is this all about? >> well, martha, senator merkley is floating a letter to his

colleagues asking them to sign a letter asking them not to fund obamacare for a continuing resolution in september or any budget resolution. here are a couple of key republicans on ice. >> this is the last stop on the obamacare express before the obamacare law kicks in on january 1 come to 14. >> i have been a repeat supporter of the defund obamacare effort. certainly we know that even obamacare of its own is going to fail. reporter: senate republican leader mitch mcconnell is being pressured to sign a letter promising not to fund obamacare. this could be one leadership gets gray hair because he would probably love to defund obamacare but may not want to own a government shutdown market. martha: what are the leading

democrats reaction to all this? reporter: senator harry reid said that they want sessions in terms of raising the debt ceiling and increasing the governments authority. here is senator harry reid on that subject. >> we are not negotiating on the debt ceiling. the president said this, i have said it, and i don't know how many more times we need to say it. reporter: but the push continues here on capitol hill. martha: thank you. we will see where it goes. bill: what will the republican strategy be an all of this? earlier we talked to kevin mccarthy about all of that right here. kevin mccarthy is my guest from hell. welcome back to "america's newsroom" sumac thank you for having me to what does the republican strategy? >> is actually to produce in

turn produce a progrowth economn and we had 35 but democrats joining us. bill: they say that you have no plan and dan pfeiffer said other than indiscriminate as far as the eye can see, and to repeal obamacare is a way. what do you say? >> one thing i will say is that the president says obamacare won't work. he says we don't have a plan and it is the only budget that will balance. the president, you know, he's going to give another economic speech about jobs. i don't how many times you dharmas. nineteen times.

but we see no actions. if the president really wants to work garments, we have 20,000 jobs right there. it has energy that makes it energy independent by 2020. bill: we don't know if i that will be the case, but perhaps that will be in the next month or two. here's the polling number. 51% disapprove in the latest wall street journal reporter. you have a message about the economy today, as you mentioned. speaker boehner had a message for him yesterday. welcome back. what does that mean? >> it means welcome back because the president has excellent economy for too long. in the last term we passed the jobs act. the presidents own administration -- he signed this in the rose garden in april of

2012. why doesn't he get the fcc to make the move going forward and let entrepreneurship struggle more time in america? that is the problem. it is too much rhetoric and not enough action. there are a number of bills inside the house that they have been working on. you will see tax reform beginning to move. we want america to be able to compete worldwide. with jobs creation, it would be nice if the president were indigenous. bill: i think both will be telling us later today. however, in the house, there are proposals to cut the et by 44%. proposal to coach fish and wildlife service by 27%. they may pass in the house, but will they ever come through? >> one thing in the houses that we are taking up appropriations and doing so in the department of defense right now.

we are trying to find ways that you can eliminate waste, live within the means, and the most important thing to do -- we are the only congress since world war ii that has been able to cut discretionary spending year-over-year. but what we really need to get to his major portion of the budget. the president can do anything on that. that is going to harm the economy. we want to make sure that we can balance the economy and grow the economy and that is whreform ano important to get this country moving again. >> both sides are laying the groundwork now in late july. these will be huge economic battles come the fall. sir, thank you for your time strategy for having me. bill: come back anytime. he is from "the hill." martha: many lawmakers want to cut the controversial benefit -- and in the same program. we have our guest to weigh in on what that might mean with impacs of security.

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♪ ♪ bill: a concert that she won't forget. beyoncé is attacked by a rogue fan. on stage in montréal, stagehands struggling to free her beautiful locks. through it all she never broke a beat or stop singing. she was not injured. we joked about it later on. martha: it was one of those crazy scenes, she sat on the

edge of something while they try to extract her hair, like when your hair gets caught in a blow dryer and you have to turn it off and get it out really quickly. but she doesn't have what you and i have, she has like 16 people all trying to attack your hair. bill: i have those issues all the time. i mean, her hair is like 8 feet long, isn't it? martha: it was bound to happen sooner or later. bill: she is good. martha: the hot button issues of privacy and national security are front and center in congress today because house lawmakers are expected to vote on a measure that was cut. the governments authorities are to attack the defense spending bill and it's getting a lot of value. it is collecting metadata, the records of phone records into this area. let's talk about whether it is a

good idea or not. the chairman of the institute for the study of the board, we add that to our list this morning. good to have you with us today. >> good morning and welcome back. >> thank you, it is good to be back. i was looking at what you had to say about this. you were sort of their initial discussion and inception of this idea. can you tell everybody about that? >> well, i was in the pentagon that day and i lost 85 teammates and sadly had to attend 40 plus euros for the week after i traveled over to major general keith alexander was the chief of the army intelligence and to understand what had happened to us. and he showed us what ad happen in july and august. and i said, who are they talking to. and they said that we were not able to determine who those

numbers were, nor you nor can we monitor those conversations and i was astounded by that. i didn't know that myself. weeks later president bush provided those authorities to the national security agency to be able to do just that. then it was codified in the law month later in the patriot act. which this is not a part of it is being discussed. so that's the question. i don't think we would ever know for certain if we had these authorities prior to 9/11, if it would have prevented this disaster. i believe that we can say that it is probably likely because it has prevented so many attacks since 9/11. since 9/11. >> that is definitely what they there is one attack and i keep hammering home this, but what happened in boston knew the way that this is laid out, it should allow them this.

my biggest concern is that the program that we have works. is it too overbroad, and are we just gathering this data and we are not able to focus in on the two people that have every reason to be on that list to be watched? >> i do know that that is an issue and hopefully we will get to the bottom of what were the failures associated with that. but this much i do know about this program. and it is appropriate to discuss the balance between security and privacy in an open democracy like ours. martha, the enemy that we are dealing with his worldwide network spoken up into cells that are decentralized. the sole means of communication for them and that worldwide network using a phone and also using the internet and they are in the shadows and they're using that to conduct and coordinate

these operations. electronic surveillance is the primary means for us to gather intelligence and the value of that is greater than the combination of all of it means that we use to gather intelligence. the degree of success that we have had is largely dependent upon these electronic surveillance programs and we have to put that reality on this table as we try to balance privacy and security. >> yes, i know that you are a big proponent of the program. i understand the reasons behind it. but i think that he needs to be some attention to the fact that maybe overbroad and maybe that they are not able to cut this as a result. you have libertarians on board, also democrats. interesting bedfellows that we find here. you think you can pass politically? >> i do not like the process. this is an amendment and it should be discussed in the

entire patriot act and let's have a discussion with hearings that are not a rush to judgment on amendment. let's bring this to the critics of the program. with the american people be exposed to this. and we can make some judgments. >> it's an important discussion. general jack keane, always good to see you, sir. >> good to see you as well. bill: 12 minutes before the hour. cooking up some things on happening now. let's check in with what they are doing. jenna: both parties are on the defense today, we will have live reporting on that. plus, the fda cracking down on so-called natural remedies and what you should know before you buy. a new browser and then revelations of the trial of whitey bulger. we will have that coming up on

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martha: a close call for two divers off the coast of central california. you can't really see them, but the divers are right next to where this whale came out. their friends are reacting on the bow. here they are, scrambling for a humpback whale was swimming. these guys manage to escape unharmed. they say that the whales could

have swallowed them were capsized the vote. but they don't eat people. but, you know, they could get confused. bill: that's right, they could. martha: then we would have to call them jonah. bill: they would have to change their name. [laughter] bill: meet robert kennedy is your known him before. the john f. kennedy presidential library has sealed some 7500 papers from his days at the kennedy white house until now, that is. james rosen is live from the library in boston with more. reporter: good morning to you. his brother of the president, the files released today of robert kennedy released say that bobby kennedy as we knew exercise influence in areas far

beyond the typical purview of the attorney general and he was involved in every decision making in counterinsurgency, vietnam, and it relates to nuclear proliferation and intelligence operations the u.s. was conducting against the soviet union. he was also a driving force in the kennedy administration to overthrow the regime of fidel castro, an issue that ultimately came to include plans to assassinate castro using cia and organized crime figures. this program was operation mongoose and it shows the attorney general offerman refereeing hywel mongoose should be prosecuted. the cuban missile crisis was underway and the gung ho master who is was in charge of this rookie bobby kennedy and said when the president asked for something coming should get it. he has asked for action to topple castro and yet the cia,

and he wrote that you will have to indicate his actions and be ready to go. it's a bit the overthrowing of castro will support this. the cia continued and that's that said there is little proof bearing out allegations in the latin american government. and if the genesis was the president's desire to knock off castro without counting the cost, there is no need to justify the operations in those terms. other documents we have found include some programs that they were developing months before

the discovery of missiles in cuba, but preparing for a contingency. it is a fascinating trip through cold war history. bill: indeed, it is. perfect man for the job as well. james james rosen, think you. martha: thank you for that. it has happened again. we are learning a prayer birding out of control near the gulf of mexico. it could be that we are looking at another environmental disaster like the bp oil spill. we hope that is not the case. we will be right back hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios

has oats that can help lower cholesterol? and it tastes good? sure does! wow. it's the honey, it makes it taste so... well, would you look at the time... what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. martha: i noticed the sky. who is that? he has his hands over the edge. this man photo bombing anthony wiener, he said that when he got here this is the only place to stand so he went we went there behind him. just doing his job. bill: just like whack-a-mole.

how good are you with this fish and chips? martha: i'm pretty good right now. bill: "happening now" starts right now. jenna: brimley stories and breaking news. jon: michael bloomberg making headlines again. what happened while she was in custody. also an amazing rescue caught on tape. police pull a man from his car just seconds before blows up. and amanda bynes detained for her antics. we will have the story. a fox news alert concerning the man who spilled some of america's most