to it. we will. that is all the time we have left this evening, as always, thank you for being with us, let not your heart be troubled, we will have greta van susteren coming up with on the record. >> if the irs targeting is a phony scandal, why are people taking the fifth? and while i would very much like to answer the committee's questions today, i have been advised by my council to assert my constitutional right to not testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of this hearing. >> and president obama is still pushing that phony scandal line, he said it again today. the point is with an endless distraction of political posturing and phony scandals, lord knows what, washington keeps taking its eye off the ball. >> he told everyone how bad the irs scandal was, we just could

not permit this. but now that is a phony scandal? >> i think the only phony thing going on is the narrative that the white house is trying push off on to the american people. >> i think it's interesting that he calls them phony scandals when at the time they broke, he professed to be concerned about them. >> the point is, with an endless distraction of political had cal posturing and phony scandals, and lord knows what, washington keeps taking its eye off the ball. >> the department of justice seizing news media phone records the nsa data mining of millions records. niece are phony scandals? these are very real scandals. >> and tea party member said she knows first hand the irs scandal is very real. martha said the irs is targeting her. martha, we read about your story in the washington examiner.

what happened? >> well, it was my childhood dream to be a farmer and i started farming. i never imagined that, you know, trying to you fulfill my dream would involve so many hurdles with government over regulating and they cited me for having a birthday party on private property for eight girls. >> that's the county. >> there's an environmental group, you have an organic farm, so the environmental group and the county were going after you and giving you a hard time about a birthday party and other things on your farm? >> that's correct. >> and that is something still going on, you are in a turf war with them? >> yes. >> and at some point, the irs decides to audit you? >> yes, and as was reported, what is unusual and unique about it, one of the officials in my county had disclosed that i was the subject of an irs audit to more than one individual in my county before i ever received the audit. >> so he -- do you have any idea

how this official in the county knew about the audit before you knew about it? >> that is all part of the investigation right now. >> and in fact, the irs watch dog is looking at this, our treasury? >> yes. >> in terms of the audit that you had, what kind of questions were they asking you in the audit? >> a lot. a large volume of questions. what was unique about it, some of the questions were directly pertaining to the issues that i had with the county. >> all right. now one of the things that the county was upset about, and made an allegation that you were running a boarding house? were you running a boarding house? >> no. >> ever running a boarding house? >> why did they think you were running a boarding house and accuse you? >> good question. that is what made the audit unique. the questions were about a boarding facility, whether i had a boarding operation. >> so you have the county asking you or accusing you of having a boarding facility, and you said you do not have one and then suddenly you have an irs audit and they ask you about a boarding house. in your tax return, did you ever

take any deductions or get any income reflected for a boarding house? >> not at all. >> so the idea of the boarding house comes out of the air. other than the county is asking the same questions? >> correct. >> is there anything else about the irs investigation that was peculiar? >> of course, the volume of questions was absolutely enormous. and you know, an auditor did come to the farm and ask me questions while i put eggs into egg cartons. >> so this is -- how many acres do you have? >> shy of 70. >> it's organic? >> yes. >> you farm it yourself? >> we farm it ourselves and have people that help us. >> how do you sell your product? >> until recently, people came to the farm with their families and they would, you know, collect their vegetables and eggs and honey and that is what we did. before the county came in and started over regulating it and putting in place restrictions.

>> you are a tea party member, what is your affiliation? >> i'm a member of the tea party. and i am affiliated with a number of tea party groups throughout virginia. and you know, most of all, i think that this issue not only effects tea party members, it effects all americans, nobody should have to live in fear of being targeted for who they are or what they stand for and believe in. >> you ever been audited before? >> no. >> first time? >> yes. >> anything peculiar about your tax return? is it complex? >> other than i have a farm, i don't know that there's anything particularly unusual about it. >> martha, has been this terrifying or scary? >> it's absolutely terrifying. it's terrifying to know that my -- that my irs audit, my personal private tax returns were disclosed public cally by somebody before i was aware of the audit and the process has been absolutely terrifying for me and my family. >> and i should say, they are saying it's a mere coincidence.

>> they say coincidences do happen. >> meanwhile at least the treasury inspector general is looking into it? >> yes. >> well, good luck, martha, there's a lot of complaints about the irs these days, we are hearing more and more. >> thank you. >> and the president of lynch pins saying that the only thing phony about the scandal is the president's response. thank you for joining us. >> i got your name wrong. >> i know, it's not an easy one. >> all right, tell me, what do you think, what is your response to the president saying these are phony scandals? >> well, as you said, the only thing phony is the administration's response. they continue to pretend that they have not violated the constitutional rights. they have unlawfully delayed and obstructed my petition for tax

exempt status. and the irs continues to insist that i disclose the identity of those that i teach, some of them are minors and where i teach and my political views. >> has there been progress in terms of your getting exemtion? >> unfortunately, there's been a huge problem with my business in that on june 5th, 2013. which is the day after i appear odd this program and the day after i testified at congress, i received a call from a dear friend, long time client, that expressed that they were uncomfortable with me speaking on political views, that they did not want to be in business with me.

that was 75% of my business. i want the administration to tell my family it's phony. >> he said, i reviewed the watch dog report and the misconduct that is uncovered is inexcusable. i don't know what happened between the inexcusable on may 15th, to yesterday and today that it's phony. i don't know what happened. any thoughts? >> he is contradicting himself. which you pointed out. fortunately, the truth does not depend on what barack obama says. it exists separate and apart from it. if he does not master the truth, the truth will master him. >> how painful is this for you? >> well, of course it's painful in the way that it effected my family, affected my business. remember, before i had explain they'd also, as i have testified before congress, i lost a $30,000 grant. in addition to that, when you speak the truth without regard to the consequences of speaking

the truth for yourself, the inspirational part is that it gives voice to the concerns of many people. and i received after my the, over 200 e-mails from people all over the country and china and poland who were excited that i stood up for what i believe. yes, there's the negative side, but there's a positive side that someone is standing up. i'm not the only one, there's deferently, a group of us standing up together, and that gives us strength in numbers. >> thank you for joining us. i will try to do better on your name next time. >> thank you so much, greta. i appreciate it. >> we heard it from president obama and we heard it from press secretary jay carney, repeatedly calling the washington scandals phony. joining us, rick santorum. >> you messed up my name too. you got martha right. >> i did. not a good night for names for me. he said that the misconduct is inexcusable. we have government employees taking the fifth amendment and

now he is saying it's phony. >> it's all crisis management. i think he believed that if he just said this was in excusable that they could bury and put it off the front pages, but it's bigger than he obviously believed he could handle and now he has to do what every president who has got caught doing something that they should not be doing that has large ramifications and that is trying to divert attention away from it, lie about it, call it things that it isn't is. what is the big problem is with the scandal, the big intrusion into people's lives. this is scaring people and now we have obama-care people coming in. we have the health records, and all the government control of the health care and dollars. now you have the angst, look at what they are doing now. the size of government and it's scheduled to get much bigger and

people are saying, wait a minute, and you see his numbers going down and that is why he is reacting. >> i think it's cruel. because someone like martha, she has 64, 65 acres, an organic farmer by herself in virginia. she is just trying to do business, and you have the irs giving her a hard time. they are asking her questions about things that is not in her irs return. he thinks that is phony? i mean, it's not phony to her. this is important to her. >> the fact of the matter is that you have a liberal environmental group who knew before she did. what is going on is these liberal groups across the country that barack obama has energized have tremendous access to the halls of washington in d.c. it should scare the left and right, it's them now, but imagine we get a conservative in office, and they do the same

thing. it's just wrong, and the size of government is too big. they need to end obama-care, it's time for republicans and conservatives to start fighting now that the ground is ripe to fight. >> i don't think it's some liberal environmental group. it's a bunch of rich people that do not want a farm. they are using the environmental group, i think it's a bunch of rich people in virginia that do not like it and they are using whatever tools they have. >> the smell of organic farming. >> yeah. let me tell you something else that bothers me. the continuing resolution expires on september 30th. the house and senate did not do their job in and they have the debt ceiling. so what are they doing? president obama is going to martha's vineyard and the house and senate take a recess. many say they are doing constituent work, i believe they are. but in terms of prioritizing they have done a lousy job with the national finances and they are going away without doing

their jobs first? >> i agree with you. four years ago, we were going through the same thing with the whole health care situation, and they went home and the american public rose up. and so, i would just say to the folks across this country, and i know you have a very active group of folks who follow you and are very active. this is an opportunity to see a rerun of 2009, when at the town meetings people came out and said, we are tired of government doing this to us and whether it's irs or nsa or boobama-care it's time for us to send our representatives back to start fighting the enormous expansion of government and intrusion in our lives. >> i do not care if it takes six months to do their jobs. i stay here and do breaking news, the fact that they go home during a crisis is a problem. >> well, i'm hopeful that they will hear what their american people will say. it's up to the folks at home to

make that happen. >> they will not hear it from the president in martha's vineyard. from the beginning, washington irs officials blaming workers in the cincinnati irs office, people say they were targeted testifying before state lawmakers. justin thomas was one of them, he joins us, nice to see you, sir. >> nice to see you again, greta. >> you have been listening to the targeting business, is this a phony scandal, give us your thoughts on this? >> phony impacts quite a few of us here. i don't know how many thousands of people qualify before we go from phony to real? >> what do you think when you hear the president say this? i mean, the president said, on may 15th, it's serious and he will not tolerate it and it's terrible. and now six or eight weeks later, something that was serious before is now phony? >> yeah.

a bit of consistency issue. i can tell you it's not funny to me. my name on the questionnaire is a serious issue and has serious ri risks for me and my family. >> when you talk about your name on a questionnaire, as i understand it, it's a questionnaire given to one particular tea party group, not one that you were a member to. they basically said, what do you know about justin? what can you tell me about him? do you know him and what is going on with him? is that sort of the way it happened? >> exactly. it was a group that i had not worked. and the question said, explain your relationship with justin. >> how did they know who you were? you were in another tea party group and they just decided to ask another group about you? >> i guess that we all look the same. >> what do you want to happen? >> well, we need to make sure this doesn't happen again. it's not acceptable behavior to call out an individual and you know, to use the words of lois

learner, it's an appropriate action to target the conservative groups and now we know it's larger, religious groups are in the mix as well. >> if you use her words, you may want to add i will take the fifth. and the president's word, the president now says it's phony although it's real to you and martha and other people. you know, if you want to use everybody's words, i do not have an abiding conviction that people are taking this particularly seriously when they are calling it phony. >> i agree. >> well, it is indeed, you know, it's disheartening and if all the politicians, republicans and democrats if they go home and talk to their constituents they can get a piece of everyone's mind that might like to talk to them. justin, thank you. >> thank you, greta. >> now to tonight's hot button issue on greta wire.com. should president obama apologize for saying phony scandals? yes or no. go to gretawire.com and vote in

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employer mandate off the table. the president wants to keep the employee mandate off the table. look, the reality is, i think that the democrats in the states like south dakota, montana, arkansas, louisiana, where the president did not win over 42% of the vote, they want nothing more to get the obama-care off the table for the next 18 months, why? because we are going to ring it around their necks for the next 18 months. >> the biggest challenge, for obama-care to be viable, it requires all of young and healthy people under the age of 30-35. >> they will pay $300 a month they do not want. >> all those people, first of all, they feel they are never going die. so they do not want health insurance, number one and number two, it's cheaper to pay a

penalty than to get the insurance. so they are not likely to buy it. and then if they do not buy it, we do not have the money to finance it. >> if the employer is not required to provide the insurance that meets the obama-care standard, how in the world do you require the individual to meet the same standards. what do you have? you have places like white castle today saying we may make everyone a part-time worker around here. because we do not want the deal with this mess? what about the fraud and abuse. >> the reduction in funding to do the investigation for fraud? >> think about what you introduce this thing. rick santorum said, if we cannot trust the government with information like cell phone numbers and things like that, can you imagine what they would do if they had your medical records for the entire country. how do we trust them to keep track of this information? >> why do you think the president is out giving these speeches now? >> it's bizarre political

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sense of humor and he had a sixth sense for danger and told them when to get out of danger. >> it was not until now that we had permission to show this, i watched it last fall. it's a heart break, he seems warm, that smile that he has. today, someone in our staff said, what do you think? and they said, he looked awesome. he did look awesome. >> he was a former seal and we had this video back in november, out of respect for the family, we didn't run it at that time. but, his mother, barbara, gave us permission to run it because she wants people to know, this is -- this is an american hero, it's something that people need to know a little more about. >> we never get to know these people. so often, there's three others that i do not know who gave their lives. they were over there defending the consulate and we do not know them. and time marches on and you lose their names and they are one of four who were killed. >> well, that is why i think

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sometimes i think he should stick with the suits. [ laughter ] scott is a hippy. scott is a former marine, former navy seal officer who is a total hippy. i mean, if that guy was not getting drug tested he would be smoking weed in his room right now. so, we have been on a couple of sites and we left these targets and scott has mentioned, did you feel the weird energy on that target and i'm looking over my shoulder and i'm going, shut up, you hippy, you serious? and this beaded necklace, it's the northern california upbringing, scott, it's his dirty little secret, you are a no kidding hippy. i'm outing you. i'm vain, scott is vain, we are vain. like our people are vain. but rodger takes vanity to the next level.

i mean, i swear to god he has a whole suitcase for all of his man products that he drags behind him. despite that he wears the same clothes every day. he is in there grouping himself right now as we speak. i said to scott, i can't picture rodger in uniform. i just can't. because here, it's all hair and profile and come on men. and i just can't see him out in the countryside carrying a gun and kicking a door down. i can, but i can't. but i saw one time, rodger working out and rodger still wears the same stuff that was issued to him in the military. and i walked up to him in the gym and i said, rodger, just let it go, brother. the brown t-shirt, the little tiny black silky shorts. let it go. you can buy other stuff. oh, my god, he is like, it's all i got. >> this is something that i would do on a stake out, i would do this. wow. >> really? >> yeah.

>> to keep yourself awake? >> slap yourself in the neck? >> in the face. >> back of the neck is supposed to do well. >> i go right for the face. i do that when i'm driving too. sometimes i go both hands. yeah. >> glen's benghazi assignment was supposed to be his last for the cia, he had been offered a comfortable job. he was going to be out of the line of fire. but he told his employer, his future employer that he wanted to go back and finish one more job. one more job in libya. and that was the benghazi assignment. >> it's so painful to watch this, because you finally sort of get a face on someone who was working for us, do you have any information, are we closer to getting the killers?

>> the killers. i have spoken to numerous sources who have been on the ground in libya, who say that they have had eyes on targets there. those who they think who are on a list that are believed to have been involved in the attack, and theysurvailing them for the last few months and nobody will decide what to do. whether to try to arrest, or bring these folks to justice. and there's a great deal of frustration in the community that is being asked to look for the benghazi killers that they feel that they have had opportunities and missed opportunities that they have not been able to act on. >> well, he seems like someone i would have liked to know. i admire him and i appreciate him and the sadness for his family is overwhelming. jennifer, thank you. coming up tonight, a town on

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>> tonight the clock ticks to the reliease of a dangerous criminalal. the springfield police chief, good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. >> this man is about to be released or has been released, do you know where he is going? >> no, at this time, we don't. what i was advised, he would be residing somewhere outside the state of vermont. >> if the state of vermont is

lucky. he is not obliged to leave the state of vermont, is he? >> he does not have to apply. before he gets released he has to register where he is going to reside. so, the corrections department will know -- will be notified of that. >> all right, now, tell me how many years ago did he go to prison and for what crime? >> he went to prison, the crime was committed in 2000 and he was convicted in 2001. he has been in prison probably since 2000. this was not a springfield, vermont case, it was a -- this occurred in rockingham, vermont, just south of springfield. >> and the warning is that he particularly has whatever, likes to commit crimes against young blonde haired blue eyed boys, those are the most at risk, is that the information you have

received? >> yeah, that is the information that i received from the corrections department, they have done a risk assessment on hip before he has been released that is what they came out with, is he is a high risk to re-offend again. this is his preference with his victims. >> and he was supposed to, it was expected that he would go to his parents in springfield, vermont, because there's no civil commitment. and then what happened in the people got upset and the neighbors in the town got upset? >> well, we have done a lot of publicity on this, notifying the town people what was going on. we originally had planned to do this last wednesday evening to notify the neighbors in the area that he was going to reside in, and we along with the corrections department, were going to go and knock and talk on the doors to the residents, i

was called about 4:00 in the afternoon last wednesday advising that everything was on hold for doing that because of the change in plans of where he was going to reside. >> chief, thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> should dangerous sex offenders be kept locked up after serving their sentences. former prosecutor, jim hammer and washington defense lawyer, ted williams. you go to trial, you get a conviction, you serve your time. and then, you are allowed to leave and then nobody wants you in the community. so, what is the solution on this one? >> well, the solution is in california is in the right column here, about 20 states in the united states have civil commitment laws. even after convicted, if you are deemed dangerous, and i cannot think of a more dangerous guy, you can have civil proceeding, and lock this guy up, so that

13-year-old boys and parents do not live in terror. it's a nightmare. he will be released and this guy has a high chance of offending again. >> here is what i see, i will go to ted on this. ted, the guy has done his time, he has not done another crime, he has done everything that society asked him. everyone is terrified and everyone knows that pedophiles, they just, for some reason, they just keep doing it and you cannot just sort of lock people up if they are not crazy and meet a civil standard, and in some -- >> just say it, you cannot lockup people and throw away the key. there's is as jim represented a civil commitment. >> there's not in vermont. >> not in vermont, but in about 20 states. greta, and i think the chief o police did not tell the viewers, we need to say what he did. he went down the river, shooting a gun. a 13-year-old child came down,

he gave the child miles an hour miles an hour after giving the child marijuana, he handcuffed the child and sexually molested the child. a horrible offense. >> i have murderers who have done horrible, bad things as clients, who did their time and they get out and there's not this community up roar about it, because it's not a sex offender. you know, that is what makes this so different. >> yeah, ted left out one fact, he then threatened to kill the boy. and then this boy was afraid to testify. and then the prosecutor and the parents are in a terrible bind saying i'm going to force your 13-year-old on the stand, so prosecutors got 20 years, to answer your question. child molesters in my book are more dangerous than most killers. >> jim, jim i don't want one in my neighborhood. get it straight. >> the viewers are clear.

pedophiles have a re-offending rate that is higher than murderers. they do it again and again and again. shame on us that he will walk the street. >> gentlemen, we do not have more time, this is a disappointing and terrible story. thank you both. straight ahead, your first ♪ there's a new way to fight litter box odor. introducing tidy cats with glade tough odor solutions. two trusted names, one amazing product. uh-oguess what day it is!is?? huh...anybody? julie! hey...guess what day it is??

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