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my response to left news wing anchor, the right wing host reverend al sharpton. i'm sean hannity. senator rand paul will be here to take us behind the feet that is dividing some republicans. first, late last week the chief, outspoken executive of new jersey, chris christie, put himself in the limelight by criticizing one of his gop colleagues. let's take a look. >> this strain of libertarianism that is going through both parties right now and making big headlines, i think, is a very dangerous thought. and that the governor now of a state that lost the second most people of 9/11 and still seeing those families, john, i love all of those esoteric debates that people are getting in. >> senator rand paul, for example? >> he's one of them. i mean, these esoteric

intellectual debate, i want them to come to new jersey and sit across the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. and they won't. >> and joining me now with his response to this and much more, the man himself, senator rand paul. welcome back. good to see you. >> good evening. >> your reaction to that? >> you know, i think it's not very smart. he may have heard that, you know, the republican party is on life support in the northeast. republicans are in danger of becoming an endangered species. it's not smart for republicans to be attacking republicans. but i would remind him that what is dangerous is to forget that we have a bill of rights, to forget about privacy and give up on all of our liberty that you have to live in a police state. it's really, i think, kind of sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims and say, i'm the only one who cares about these victims.

hogwash. if he cared about protecting this country, maybe he wouldn't be in this give me, give me, give me all of the money that you have in washington or don't have and he would be more fiscally responsive and know the way we defend our country, the way that we have enough money for national defense is by being frugal and not by saying give me, give me, give me all the time. >> i think you ratcheted up for lib bear generals. specifically, what i think he was referring to is your criticism of the nsa. i support the patriot act but who wrote that bill did not include what happened with the nsa. there's a distinction, is there not? >> you're absolutely right. we fought the american revolution due to the fact that we didn't want a warrant to apply to millions of people. the fourth amendment says it has to be a specific person, a place, and you have to name the

items and you have to go to a judge and say there's probable cause. and here's the thing, i'm all for getting terrorists. i'm all for -- if i were the judge, absolutely, say yes. get the records. i'm first spying on terrorists. i'm not for spying on every american. and so people like the governor who are, i guess, flippant about privacy, flippant about the fourth amendment and flippant about the rights, they are laying their lives on the line for the bill of rights. if we're not going to stand up bill of rights, we're going to say at all costs i don't care about liberty, then i think it's a mistake and we've gone too far. >> does the patriot act, as the author says, prohibit exactly what was going on with the nsa? does it specifically prohibit what they were caught doing? >> yeah. senator wyden has been saying

this for three years. they are secretly interpreting the patriot act to mean something that even the authors of the patriot act did not intend to do. it does allow them to look at some records but it still is supposed to be individualized. it's not supposed to be millions of americans with one warrant. that is not what the fourth amendment intended. it's also not even what the patriot act intended. >> all right. let's go to the issue that you, ted cruz, mike lee, marco rubio, i think, have come up with a great idea. instead of symbolic votes, repealing obama care, you are suggesting, explain -- >> everywhere i go, people say, defund obama care and so that's where i am. let's don't spend money on something that's going to be a failure. that's going to bankrupt state government, that's going to cause people's insurance premiums to rise and really i think could destroy one of the great valuable things that we have in our country, which is modern health care in our country, that's been better than anyplace in the world. i'm afraid of destroying that.

even the president now says he's not going to institute half of it. the employer mandate. let's delay all of it until these people figure out what they are doing. >> okay. but the point is, why are some, i guess, establishment guys saying, this is terrible, you can't win this debate. not a great idea politically. what is your response to that? >> we don't have control over government. we don't control the president and the senate seat. we do control the house. we should utilize the leverage of the house to pass things we think are good and we should stay the course until the democrats and the president compromise. we won't get everything we want but if we announce from the beginning, oh, we're afraid of our shadow and we're never going to, you know, push democrats to come to the table, then i think, in essence, we announce our surrender. so by all of these republicans coming out and criticizing mike lee and others, they have sort of announced surrender so they've used the leverage to try

to get rid of some of the funding for some of the most egregious parts of obama care. >> let's say you fund the rest of the government and the house funds the rest of the government except for obama care and then the president, nancy pelosi, harry reid, shut the government down but every other part of the government that you fund, what should the reaction -- how should -- politically, how should the republicans position that considering they are going to be blamed? >> well, the thing is, the republicans have already announced there's going to be a shut down of government. myself, mike lee, ted cruz, we're not arguing to shut down the government. we're arguing to defund obama care. but the republicans announcing surrender, they have already taken the next leap. they are saying, oh, you want to shut down government. no, we don't. we want to defund obama care. we want to defund a disastrous program that is going to cause them to lose insurance and really hurt precisely the people

you want to hurt, the working class people that are working hourly jobs at mcdonald's or working in the service industry, we are afraid they are going to be part-time workers as people discover how expensive insurance is going to be. we are standing up for what we believe in and we want to use the leverage for people who voted for us to try to get reform in government. i don't see how anybody could criticize that. >> didn't most republicans run on repealing obama care? isn't this really the only chance you have to do so? what do you say to those republicans who don't -- who are afraid to do it? >> well, that's what i get when i go home. people say, well, aren't you going to at least try? i can't guarantee victory. i can't guarantee that the democrats would accept this. they probably won't. but why don't we push back and say what we want? we were elected to represent the people who said defund obama care. so i think we should represent them. >> all right. senator, good to see you. appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. coming up, al sharpton

lashes out at me. tonight, i'm going to respond to his outrageous comments coming up later on in the program. first tonight -- i will under no circumstance afford a continuing resolution that funds even one penny of obama care. >> the battle to defund obama care is well under way but is killing the law possible? we're going to debate that after the break. and then, the fast food industry is demanding higher pay. you're going to hear directly from the employees who walked off of their jobs today. plus, the obama's extravagant vacations. that's when "hannity" returns. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewas for his small business take theseags to room 12 please.

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unaffordable. we now also know that it's going to be unfair. what i'm saying is that if the president is not ready to implement the law, if the law is not ready for primetime, congress shouldn't fund it. >> in 63 days, the continuing resolution expires. that's what funds government right now. i have publicly pledged, along with senator mike lee, marco rubio, and others that i will, under no circumstance, support a continuing resolution that funds even one penny of obama care. >> not all republicans are on board. some say the effort could restore the gop. tom coburn has come out strongly against the charge. >> shutting down the government to get your way over an unrelated piece of legislation is the political equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. >> with us is christy stutzer

and dana. dana, reagan talked about bold colored differences should define the republican party. is this a tea party establishment battle in that sense? >> oh, i don't think so at all. still to this kay "the wall street journal" released a poll just last week showing that obama care is more unpopular now than it ever has been before. it is unworkable. it is so not ready for primetime. waivers have been issued and a portion has been delayed until conveniently until after the election. that has nothing to do with the tea party but with the fact of the matter which is that it's unworkable. >> how do you explain the mysterious explanation. >> they are terrified of media reports and narratives. that's whatever one of them have said. instead of them willing to fight back on the narrative that democrats and mainstream media

like to push that this is just republicans eager for a government shutdown, they should be instead asking why is president obama absolutely bent on making sure that he's shoving this down the pipeline when, again, it's unworkable, we can't afford it, we're not ready for primetime. we talk about compromises all the time, sean. can't we have a this is workable, we don't fund it? >> christy, james hoffa jr. and others say it's not workable. why not delay it, from your perspective? >> the house has already voted 40 times to repeal part or all of obama care. they can vote on it 100 times, all day long. they don't have the vote for it and they don't seem to realize that this is not how grown-ups behave. if you don't like government,

you don't have to serve in it. but don't take a law that is the law of the land and destroy it because you don't like it. >> if it's the law, why aren't we implementing it? after all, it is the law. >> we are implementing it. >> so you're telling me that the business provision is going to be implemented fully on schedule as promised during the election? because that's not what the president said. it's the law. so why isn't it being implemented? >> there are plenty of sections of the law. >> i'm not talking about plenty of sections. i'm talking about the whole law. why isn't it being implemented? >> dana, you can look and see what the rates are going to be. >> yes, premiums are up by 2,000. >> particularly blue states. >> let me jump in. >> the rates are way down, way down by 50%. >> wow. that's -- >> christy, you mentioned government but constitutionally the president doesn't spend a dime without the approval of congress. all spending goes through congress. they have the authority to fund every other aspect of

government, debt obligation, social security, medicare, but defund obama care. they have the ability to do that. do you understand that? >> they can certainly try. they can certainly try to defund it, sean. that's exactly the point. what i'm saying is they do not realize that this is never going to be defunded by the president with whom this is his signature law. >> so is the president going to shut down the government if he doesn't get his way? >> i don't know. i guess we're going to have to see. >> dana, one thing that -- i know the republicans voted symbolically 35 times. why don't they -- why the resistance, then, to vote for the real thing? >> yeah. i mean, this is -- this has happened before. i think 2011 was one of the times that they voted for it and it passed through the house and it ended up being discarded in discussions with the president. i mean, the bottom line is this. it can be done in the senate so long as republicans are willing to stay on the same page. but while we're talking about

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welcome back to "hannity." thousands of fast food workers walked off the job protesting what they call unliveable wages. chicago, sabt lewis, detroit saying that while the fast food companies are making billion, the workers cannot get more than the minimum wage at $7.25 an hour and they want to get double that and get paid $15 an hour. >> we are not going to get there incrementally but getting people who break into the middle class. we live in new york city where rent is approaching $2,000 a month. you can't afford to pay rent on 9, $10 an hour which is why fast food workers are advocating a wage of $15 an hour. they are making billions and billions of profits. the ceos are making millions and millions every single year. they can afford to give workers

a raise. >> what make as liveable wage ved. there is one person who is not paying attention. that's president obama. he's heading out to the swanky's martha vineyard. it will be his fourth vacation on the island. he's been playing golf, and has gone to hawaii. he's going to be staying in a $7.6 million mansion. how nice. joining us is melissa francis of the fox business network. the a.p. had an article today talking about what four out of five americans are going to be struggling to just barely make ends meet in the course of their life. right? it's that bad? >> i think it's absolutely true. that's not what this fight at mcdonald's is all about. they say this is not a liveable wage. it's not meant to be a liveable wage. more than half of them are 16 to

20 years old. more than half of them do something else with their time, like go to school. this is a way to get into the workforce and, yes, those folks are right. you cannot support a family on a job at mcdonald's. but that's not what a first time part-time job is supposed to be about. >> patricia, your reaction? >> for some people it's a part-time job and for other people it's a full-time job. they are paying people to work 40 hours a week who are currently living in poverty. people who live at mcdonald's cannot order at mcdonalds. they cannot feed their family mcdonald's because they are getting paid so little. and it's well within the workers' rights to ask for $15 an hour. i think the people who go to mcdonald's, go to wendy's -- >> what would happen, though, if you raise the wage to $15 an hour. that money has to come from something. you can raise prices, fire

workers, or cut into margins. if they raise prices, a more expensive burger, they are going to sell fewer of them. they can't cut into margins right now. most of these are small franchise business owners that don't have those margins. and if you think mcdonalds a big bad global corporation, do you honestly think that they would cut their margins? they are going to cut back on workers and labor. they have a certain amount of money that they spend on labor. whether you have 10 people or 112 people. >> speaking of the fact that money doesn't grow on trees, those people are on food stamps. that money doesn't grow on trees. those are federal taxpayer dollars going to feed families for people who work at mcdonald's. they are not paying their family enough to feed their families. >> do you want to pay twice for a wendy's quarter pounder with

cheese? you think most people are? >> yes. >> you are? >> yes, i am ready to do it. >> do you think most americans are willing to do it? >> if they work 40 hours a week, they are not on food stamps. >> i think most americans are having trouble paying their own bills. four out of five people have had a hard time living above, you know, have felt economically threatened. those people are not going to buy a more expensive cheeseburger. they are not going to buy a cheeseburger at all. >> it's a simple economics. you're going to take the emotion out of it and just see the map. you're going to sell fewer cheeseburgers or employ fewer people. >> what was the -- we keep hearing -- >> i don't think it's emotional to say that people need to make a living wage. >> they absolutely do. it's not going to happen at a part-time job at mcdonald's. >> what about the implementation of obama care, a lot of people -- companies are not going to let people work more than 30 hours. are people going to work 20

hours at wendy's, 20 hours at burger king, 20 hours at mcdonald's? >> if you can get away with it, you're absolutely right. that's another thing holding back employers from having them there for more hours, is that if they have to pay for health care, that's another cost. >> thank you for being with us. coming up, on "hannity," the reverend al sharpton takes a shot at me on race in america. i'll respond directly to the reverend and i'll remind him of his irresponsible rhetoric from year's past. join hannity live and share your thoughts and go there and vote on the video of the day. we don't have one tonight. you'll have to leave your comments straight ahead. i gotta go deposit a check, transfer some money. so it's your uncle's turn. what? wait, wait, wait... no, no, no, wait, wait. (baby crying) so you can deposit a check...

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. welcome back to "hannity." reverend al sharpton has been out talking about me about

relations in the country and the aftermath of the george zimmerman trial. here is a clip of what he has been saying. >> a father turning his personal tragedy into national action. that's the real issue we're facing in this country. but the right wing spin machine doesn't want an honest conversation. they are trying to distort the truth and rewrite history. >> now, earlier today a guest on al sharpton's radio program said this about me. >> they are professional hitmen professional assassins of african-americans, the image of all the things that we fight for, that we struggle for and all of the challenges that we are facing. that's their job. they are paid assassins. and i agree it's almost ridiculous to trade barbs with these guys.

they have an agenda and we should have our agenda. >> al sharpton and his guests have widely inappropriate comments. he should not be throwing stones. why? you may remember these instances. >> you are nothing. you are a punk [ bleep ]. now come and do something. >> white folks was in the cave when we had built empires. we learned to admire them. but they knew to admire us. we built pyramids before donald trump ever knew what architecture was, taught philosophy and as strolling and mathematics before socrates and them knew about it. you want to be the only [ bleep ] on television, only [ bleep ] in the newspaper, only [ bleep ] that can talk. don't cover them. don't talk to them. cause you got the only [ bleep ]. cause you know if a black man stood up next to you, they would

see you for the [ bleep ] that you really are. >> chief strategist of the tea party, he said here that hannity and the crowd, desperate not to have a real conversation about injustices involving race. have i been to your national action network? how many times have i been there? >> you have been there several times. >> several times. >> i have another question. did i not offer the reverend al sharpton internships on this network for my show, for kids that he thought were needing an opportunity? yes, i did. >> okay. but that has nothing to do the point that he was making, sean. i think over the last week -- right? i mean, everyone was touched in one way or another by the trayvon martin case and, in some respects, there were many discussions that needed to be had and many that were led even by the president of the united states. some felt that you and others

sort of tried to change the script. >> michael -- >> so when you begin to talk about, for instance, the black on black crime in chicago and things like that, that's important. >> 61 people died during that trial. >> that's important but at the same time it's not necessarily the same discussion as having a discussion about exactly the effect of the trayvon martin -- >> i've known you a long time. we've had some passionate debates and i've had debates with reverend al. but on his show he's calling me a professional paid assassin of african-americans? i want an apology. >> that wasn't him. >> that was on his show. he knows better than that and i want an apology. >> well, there are guests that come on your show and whoever the person that said that should apologize. certainly that may not be the opinion that reverend al sharpton has of you. >> well, he made the comments himself that i -- i said to him -- >> sean, if reverend sharpton demanded an apology of everyone that may have been a guest on your show that said something

outrageous about him, you guys would be apologizing to each other every day. >> this wasn't one instance of reverend al over the years, o'reilly, david dinkins, this was like all the time over the course of years. do i really need to get lectured on his show about this stuff? >> well, you know, it's amazing, they talk about these assassins and allege that you and bill o'reilly are assassins. i'd like to ask reverend sharpton, if i'm an assassin, if don lemon of cnn is an assassin, in rod wheeler, democratic consultant, all who have said the most pressing crisis in the black community right now are the 50 trayvon martins that are killed every week and they are not killed by the clan, they are not killed by white races, they are not killed by geor

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all right. this just in, she is mad as hill. now, according to an exclusive report, hillary clinton and his famous philandering husband are outraged that they are being compared to anthony weiner and his wife huma. the clintons are pissed off that weiner's campaign is saying that huma is just the same ace hillary. i'll admit it's a bit more extensive than huma but whether they believe it or not, the similarities are too similar to ignore. don't believe me? watch this. >> i want you to listen to me. i'm going to say this again. i did not have sexual relations

with that woman, miss lewinsky. >> this is a prank that somebody posted on my twitter page. >> indeed, i did have a relationship with miss lewinsky that was not appropriate. >> to be clear, the picture was of me. >> i will take responsibility for my actions both private and public. >> i came here to accept the full responsibility of what i've done. >> i'm not sitting here little woman standing by my man, i'm sitting here because i love him. >> i love him. >> i have forgiven him. >> and i respect him. >> i believe in him. >> this is not an arrangement or an understanding. this is a marriage. >> and i made the decision that it was worth staying in this marriage. >> i misled people, including even my wife. i deeply regret that. >> i'm deeply sorry for the pain this has caused my wife huma and our family.

>> so is it fair to compare? here to debate, bernard whitman. do you believe it's true that they are livid? >> i think that they probably are. here is why. the differences couldn't be more stark. bill clinton was a political genius and was propelled to office -- >> stop. stop. >> sean, it's the facts. >> created more jobs than any president in the modern history and fought off a ridiculous effort to remove him from office. >> i asked, is it fair to compare? and if not, why not? >> the reason why, anthony weiner is a complete political lightweight, he served 12 years in congress and didn't get much done. he's a disgraced citizen with electile dysfunction. >> and most people want him to drop out. bill clinton, continued to fight for his job because 60% of the american people wanted him --

>> i didn't ask you that. isn't that a problem he had, having sex with an intern in the oval office? >> that's worse. >> that was a private act and unfortunately for weiner his public sex antic sort of reinforced the notion that he's creepy and annoying. >> you don't think bill is creepy? >> one is a difference? >> he's internet and social media. he broadcast himself. i don't think most women would agree with that. >> it's paula jones. the only difference between the two of them is that anthony weiner said he would never do it again. bill clinton didn't. anthony weiner stood at that press conference last year and said i will never do this again. bill never made that promise to hillary or the public and, look, arguably, bill clinton paved the way for anthony weiner. if bill clinton wouldn't have had his sex

this is a fox news alert we're getting word of a series of explosions in central florida look at this video. several people reportedly injured or missing at this point. this is a live look at the scene. the first explosion happening about 11:00 p.m. local time almost two hours ago at blue rhino plant northwest of orlando, florida. more explosions followed for the next few hours and over next hour at least the blast so strong that they blew the roof off the building there. fire crews and emergency officials are there on the scene. we're being told a number of workers are injured and the city administrator is saying 10 out of 24 plant workers are still unaccounted for. residents reportedly being evacuated up to several miles away. many roads are closed, and

some witnesses describing explosions sounding like gunshots or fire works going off. other reporting the sight of flames from five miles away. again, fox news is just learning that a series of explosions in a propane gas plant northwest of orlando, florida in central florida. no word on injuries or fatalities. we're being told people are missing. some people were injured but none of this so far has been confirmed. now, stay with fox news for latest on this developing story if you're just tuning in there was an explosion at a gas plant in central florida. we're watching local coverage from wofl which sour sister affiliate down in or are lando, florida the reporter talking about a set of ambulances on the scene taking the first set of individuals away. oxygen masks were involved. she was talking about people being burned we're being told at this point that 10 out of the 24 people that work there are still missing and

unaccounted for. we'll keep you posted as this news continues to develop. for now i'm ainsley earhardt, back to "hannity" already in progress. k, if you want to go t security and compromising security, bill clinton pakistan nuke. >> because he had sex with monica lewinski, pakistan got the nukes? come on. the reason you want to drive this parallel is you're still ticked off he did a better job as president far better than the republicans. >> hillary would have been a better president than obama. >> nothing to do with economic record, bernard. it has to do with the fact that he paved the way, he paved the way for all of these sex scandals. now we have a country that's owe o. >> i thought john kennedy did that. >> women are supposed to stand by their man and go yes, lovely. >> no, they're not. >> and be a permanent victim. >> when ken starr went on the witch hunt, it was 23 years of marriage for the clintons.

the weiners have been mard less than a year. very different situation. >> i'm not sure which is worse. >> i think bill is worse. >> for what it's worse, they're both awful. >> that's true. fox business own charles gaspar inowe is going to join us in the crackdown of insider trading. all the details, brand new book is coming up next. "circle of friends." straight ahead. weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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>> always? always works against the little guy? >> i think the markets are rigged against the small investor. if you're going to go in there and trade against steve cullen of s.e.c. capital, against warren buffett against these guys, you'll lose. there's a delusional aspect to the waisome business channels present the news. we don't at fox business. you can trade with the big guys. you really can't. i mean, you can invest. markets aren't skewed against long-term investors. but if you're going to trade against them, they have access to information you'll never have. some of that information is called illegal inside information. that's what i wrote about. >> you've named names in this book. how is the vetting by the attorneys? >> it was heavy. it was grueling. it was like a workout but it was worth it in the end. listen, one thing i pride myself in is trying to get stuff right. you don't want to get stuff wrong. i want to be fair. everybody in this book got calls. >> who are these people that you name? let's go through the names. the people that you talk about.

steve cullen, s.e.c. capital. everybody thinks warren buffett is the greatest investors in the last 40 years. in the last 20 years, it's steve cullen, s.e.c. capital. huge firm and fund. returns 30% a year. everybody tries to get in his fund. the government, however, i'm not saying this, the government is, the government believes he deals with -- he or the people he work for him, deal in inside information. but i have to admit, insider trading had nothing to do with the financial crisis. >> you point out in the book that the government failed to bring a single criminal case against the culprits that caused the financial crisis in 2008. >> absolutely true. >> through the community reinvestment act, weren't they mostly responsible themselves? >> yes. i have written a book about that. i was on your show. yes, responsible for the bubble that occurred. there's no doubt. they promoted housing prices that -- they put people in homes that shouldn't have been in homes. that obviously drove up the housing prices. along the way, there was a lot of fraud that went on.

people at major banks, while imploding, were saying we're fine. we didn't do anything wrong. we're going to be here for the next 20 years. ten minutes later, they were out of business. that is something that was very hard to prove. by the way, when you can't prove something like that, the public wanted scalps, they went after this. insider trading. once something is on tape, it's much easier to prove. >> what do you tell the average person? granted, the difference between trading and long-term investment. i mean, i would invest in johnson & johnson, procter & gamble, mcdonald's. that's as far as i go. conservative, fits my personality. real estate, things like that that have inherent value. >> i would say this. when you turn o n a business channel and some guy is saying buy buy buy, turn that channel off. >> any names? >> i can think of one guy that dances around and screams and

sleeves rolled up. >> i don't want to use names. change that channel. remember, you can invest for the long-term in a very easy way. index funds, there are fortune 500 companies, there are big companies that reflect the economy in a low risk by the way, you can diversify into gold and bonds. don't be out of the markets. but this is a cautionary tale of why the markets themselves, if you want to play with the big guys, roll the dice, it's skewed against you. they have access to information you will never have. >> can you follow them? in other words, watch what they're doing and move in or it's too late? >> they're in and out of stock so much. you can follow warren buffett, he gives you investment ideas and has broad themes, but it's actually hard to follow him. these are traders. but you see, that's the culture that we're in right now in investing. a lot of people profess trading go against the big guys by trading against them. it's never going to work and this book tells you why. >> all right. great insight. circle of friends. they're not really your friends. charlie. >> not my friends.

>> thanks so much. >> thank you. that is all the time we have left this evening. as always, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues, greta van susteren standing by live to go on the record. greta, take it away. tonight, oh, brother. there is more new accusations against the irs. now, this scandal is spreading. so why is the obama administration still calling it phony? >> it's not phony in our minds. we've been living with this for three years. we had to answer the questions, put all the hours into gathering the information together. >> we have to like look at the facts. there's no evidence of any political decision-maker who was involved in any of those decisions. i think the attempt to try to keep finding that evidence is creating the kind of sense of a phony scandal that was being referred to there. >> an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals. shift focus from what needs to be done. >> i haven't heard from