>>. >> neil: ongoing mess at irs is phony scandle, why is it so messy. i'm neil cavuto. and on top of president staying on top of this message. >> so far for most of us here, we have seeing an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals. >> neil: how about an endless parade of new revelations involving those same scandals like this one at the irs. new emails released this week by congressional investigators suggesting that lois lerner may have been sharing taxpayer information with folks the federal

election commission in cases involving conservative groups. is the white house keeping this up because they are afraid that more will keep coming out. to our panel, i do want to thank my buddy charles payne for filling in. i was really told i could take off a couple more weeks. [ laughter ] >> neil: i got back here as fast as my little hieny could. let me take apart what the president is picking apart here. he is saying phony, sham, but at the same time we're getting more and more data and info and stuff that comes out. >> it's quite the opposite. some of us were on planning a family vacation in africa and some of us didn't see all the things. what it means the initial policy the president gave was

insincere. it sorts of belittles all the victims of the phony scandals which in some part is almost every american. he won't acknowledge it. it's all about this. that is wrong path he is going down. he should have more of an honest discussion about thi >> ben? >> it reminds me of ron zieg ler calling watergate a third rated burglary. obviously some systematic harassment on. he can call it phony as much as he want. the news organizations will cover up for his nieny and full scope of things will come out. >> neil: i want to give you another related scandal in the case of benghazi, now cnn are doing that. dagen, what do you make of this and obviously part of it has to be based on the idea

that the irs is going to assume a far great are role. so it's in the interests to say the scandal is phony because then you are saying gig more power to the irs would a sham? >> absolutely. part of what was going on here is that the white house was using the federal election commission to target a specific conservative group, it was the american issues project. now, we find out the federal election commission and people there were in touch with the woman at irs overseeing the targeting of conservatives in that agency. not only does it smell bad at the irs, that stench is moving from one government organization to another. again, how do you fight it off? you say, you talk down to people and belittle and say there is nothing here. let me be clear -- as the president says.

sit working? no, it is not. >> neil: and when this first erupted this was serious and president will get to the bottom of this. >> i think it's the scary thing is the media reaction. they actually do follow him. i was a kid when water gated broke, then it was everybody was in on this county. >> that was a republican president? >> right. i say that is scary part. this does underscore the media bias as known as mainstream media. there are other outlets. in the old days there were just a couple. mainstream media holds a lot of sway. every tv network, most tv networks in america get their talking points from the "new york times," from the "washington post" and established players. that is the one of the problems with the story. it's hard to pick up steam when the establishment won't

go after the president over something that is really sleazy. you set the precedent that this president can get away with it, other presidents can get away with it. that is why it is hioshlg. >> neil: julie, if you will pipe down. [ laughter ] >> i'med by meig time. >> neil: do you think the irs thing is, indeed, a scandal or very least the revelations that are coming to light appear scandalous? >> i think what happened at the irs is a scandal. i have no evidence that it reached up to the white house or barack obama anybody in his inner circle. i think they are jumping to conclusions about any evidence is presented. no, you are right. i think fox news has done a good job of looking at it but no evidence whatsoever emanated from the white house. >> neil: you think its scandal there was enough going on in the irs that went

beyond cincinnati. >> there are two things, i would like to get to the bottom of what happened. >> neil: do you really? >> i really do. [ laughter ] >> i really do to the point i said many times..., no, but on this very network it's an independent prosecutor, darrell issa can take a break. the other issue that i think people are missing and issue i think people need to focus on. both democrats and republicans completely abuse the irs tax code, nonprofit or other things. >> here is the scary thing. i read a lot of books about water gated. woodward and bernstein thought about the president being involved with that from the beginning. they put a couple things together. this reeks of overreach.

it smells too good. that is the scary thing. i can talk about it all day but not on the front page of "new york times." >> you and i both know this station which is covering it extensively have incredible reporters that have been digging in and.... >> you know, here is the thing. >> neil: wait a minute. >> it took over a year for them to get anything on nixon himself. it took over a year. there was some suspicious of it but -- suspicion. the executive branch was not part of it right away. there was a lot more going on. >> you remember the coverage going on, it was very incremental. i know when you cover a story like this. you cover it incrementally. we're not getting the incremental coverage from everybody else. >> neil: bottom line the

possible issues, irs is going to be entrusted with this healthcare law, enforcing it, policing it, handing 90 financial parts of it. obviously the administration, democrats in general supporting the healthcare law will not want to see the irs dragged through the mud because it is going to slow that process down and slow implementing the irs controlling it. they have a vested interest not to pursue this. >> billions and billions of dollars are going into building of army at the irs that will go after individuals and small businesses. small amount of credibility they have. the guy in charge of irs, he is not interested. >> excluding obamacare and increase power of the agency. i'm worried about abuse within w an organization that can ruin someone's life financially and otherwise. that is the power that the irs has. the fact there is this going on, we need some answers.

>> this is coming from the white house can makes it more frightening. >> neil: we should have known. every correspondent has said this, it's always in all cap letters. that to me is the sign. [ laughter ] >> neil: you got a monster on your hands. >> more and more fast food workers taking their wage beef to the streets. if they get their way, they see a doubling wages, would it end up drying up the job market. and getting pat-downs to getting a shake down. why a new report of the tsa have travelers off the hook and calling for the agency to just fly away. [ male announcer ] this is george.

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stealing a whole bunch of laptops. one guy stole 80 in a year. charles payne, wow! >> there was a guy who had a great operation, him and his wife. we've had the discussion before. >> neil: we try not to say that. >> the reason i say that. [ laughter ] >> new revelation that some of the greatest fears are coming true is new aspect of it. this report is amazing. i don't think you would see this if it was run by a private company. >> neil: i don't know about that. >> a private company it can replaced. unionized tsa could be a unionized policeman, anybody with a union cannot be fired. >> neil: a lot of companies have unions don't have unions. >> a lot of private companies

big private companies, slack off and steal. hope any they get caught and punished. >> neil: not at fox, but i know what you mean. >> that is what this report is about. i have no problem with the tsa. we nationalize this industry, because 9/11 happened. president bush did that. hopefully we can fix it. i personally love tsa workers. >> i can understand. i don't think this is evil but just a boring job. i take nothing away from the agents. if you had to all day like this, this, you would go nuts. it's as simple as that. >> i'm with dagen, i losttsa. some famous tv hosts get private jets. rest of us have to go with the rest of them. [ laughter ] >> neil: it's delayed and

rerouted. >> some of us get to go on private jets. >> you don't mind the whole tsa process. >> i think they are great. >> i have to say i have flown a lot. they are great at their job. >> they are great? >> they are not great. >> best day they are maybe good. they are not great. maybe it's a lousy job that you have to pat down people for hours, but there is nothing great. >> flying experience back in the '90s was more amazing. come on. nobody wants to go through that hassle but we do it because we want to stay safe. if you got rid of the tsa.... >> neil: the gist of that report there were a lot of cases where they were waving their friends and family in. by the way, if i worked there and i was waving my family in,

i would be afraid, i know some of them. that was the problem here. >> you have a bunch of airports, san francisco, they privatized and outsourced. they are doing exactly on average the private ones as exactly the same as tsa ones. it's the same thing. >> i know the bottom line, you go to the post office and you see how slow the work is. there is certain mentality that comes along with the notion that you don't want to lose your job. >> my experience with tsa is not that with the postal service. >> i love the postal service. >> neil: you are a celebrity. love on all sides. so when you show up at a line, "a" they bring you to the front and "b" you are universe lal li a star.

>> i have a lot of hassles because i bring with me so much stuff. they never wave me to the head of the line. >> by the way. >> incredibly wonderful people. >> i was at san francisco airport two years ago and they waved in, cindy sheehan. she was celebrity so the point of story, you remember cindy sheehan. >> you are making my point. they let in certain people that they shouldn't. >> this is privatized. >> you know what though, tsa agent in laguardia and she looked to me, you look grumpy, can i have a hug. and i gave her one. [ applause ] >> that makes me suspicious. >> what are they trying to grab, maybe trying to do a

pat down. >> i hope. >> neil: be leery at the airport. for me it's going to be a long day. all right. it would be like giving you diet and workout tips. now, the government is going to teach you to save and behave. >> really? >> in fact i'm already doing it.

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on behavior modification, getting you to use less energy and save more money. ben, what do you make of this. >> i think the next step is the big poster of mr. obama staring intently with his eyes and saying that mr. obama is watching you. it becomes more orwellian all the time. trayvon martin was like that and this is even more. >> neil: this would be like me telling you to eat a salad. you are thin, beautiful, say i am not and i'm not going to go there. yet the government giving advice financial. it seems kind of dumb ass. >> david cameron in britain. >> david cameron in britain,

what you are talking about wanting to eradicate and under control. >> worst thing in britain they have sign nine of ten britains pay the taxes on time. think is dividend here. >> this is complete arrogance. it's one thousand arrogance and it is not what the country is built on. put me down. >> so stupid but where are they going to start with me? [ laughter ] >> it's perfected. >> i'm not giving up those martinis. never, never. >> you can maybe through pamphlets and advertising a change people and their behavior. there is something to that

but should the government be involved with it? >> it's going to be unvoidable because so many people are on government assistance. so many people are going to be on healthcare that is in some way related to it. why is it orwellian? it's bother some. they could try to influence your behavior and mandate your behavior which they do. >> does everybody not think this is going to be political? >> neil: do you find it political? >> we did this with anti-smoking. the whole anti-smoking campaign. who is going to tell you to pay your taxes? >> all political correctness. >> just going to play it straight. >> my signal is to end so my

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