>> gretchen: we're back and we'll have after after the show show with tickle. >> clayton: we're getting into a deep discussion about moonshine. >> the show starts tonight 10:00 p.m., discovery channel. >> eric: "duck dynasty" on "the five" today. a fox news alert. word that the white house is pushing back another key part of the new healthcare law. why would that be? i'm bill hemmer. welcome to america's newsroom. you came back to more pain. martha: would you like me to leave again? it's raining outside. there is no reason not to be at work. every day there is a new delay it seems, what provision under the law that's supposed to set limit on everyone's out of pocket costs and the white house put that off for a year. ththe limit was not supposed to

exceed $6,350 for an individual, $12,700 for a family. bill: now insurers can set a higher limit or no limit at all. what's this all about? >> reporter: apparently it's about computers. they say we didn't have the computer systems in place. we need another year. in the meantime people watching the show you could probably end up paying more out of pocket expenses. some of these insurance policies could have no limit at all. bill: i thought the law was designed to help the uninsured. >> this is the second major thing that's been tweaked. they also got rid of the

employer penalty. big businesses don't have to pay a penalty. and you still have to pay a penalty if you don't have the insurance. and if you do who knows how much you are going to be paying, but it feels like it will be a lot more. bill: some consumers may have to pay more, if some have to pay more then they are paying for others somehow some whelan that ends up a hidden tax to americans. >> the point is. it's a tax that keeps growing. nothing about bending that so-called cost curve. someone with a chronic illness, cancer, m.s. someone who goes to the doctor's office a lot uses up their deductible rapidly. this is a disaster. it's elementary at the basis of it was supposed to stop -- at the very least it would stop

this kind of stuff. bill: you say the insurance companies are been figure it from this. they were the bad guys in the debates over this law. >> they were the bad guys writing up this law. the verbal rhetoric we heard on the campaign trail is the insurance companies helped write this. when this is all said and done a lot of big by businesses, insurance companies, hospitals, the pool of people that have to carry the burden for the entire country will get smaller and smaller. funny how that works. >> this delay is hardly the first. there have been 10 provisions of the healthcare law that is supposed to start taking place in october that has been delayed or revised back on july 5. state-run markets were put after for a year. they were supposed to verify

employers' claims about whether they receive or provide insurance. july 2 the administration delayed the employer mandate. that would have forced businesses to provide work were healthcare insurance. that also was put off until 2015. bill: so lots to talk about with kentucky senator rand paul. the fight to defund obama-care. should republicans draw a fluent sand there. plus a possible run for the white house in 2016, rand paul. minutes away on america's newsroom. martha: three teenagers accused of brutally beating 13-year-old on the school bus. watch some of this.

>> leave them alone! leave him alone! you know you all going to jail. you all going to jail. martha: at the beginning of it he's just laying on the floor on that school bus. these are the three atearks. they are due in juvenile court. the police say the suspects repeatedly punched and kicked the victim, a lot of which you can see on the video. the boy was trying to crawl up the seat. the bus driver got up and verbally tried to stop them. did not physically intervene. and there is some discussion about that. do these defendants have anything to say in court this morning? >> reporter: all three 15-year-olds arrived here an hour ago and none of them would answer any of my questions. apparently their public defenders have told them don't

say anything to the cameras. however, i was able to talk with one of the fathers. all three boys are upstairs in the courthouse. they are all charged with aggravated battery. and one is charged with stealing $5 from the 13-year-old victim. this is what julian mcknight the father had to tell me about his son. >> do you want to say anything to the victim in mr. mcknight would you like to express any -- this has consumed much of the country. now your son has his picture on the internet. >> i'm sorry for the victim. but that's the way it is. he's not a bad person.

a bad school. that's it. >> reporter: are you sorry? >> he's sorry. >> reporter: hours later another of the three suspects and his mother arrived. i asked her if she had seen the school bus beating video and she gave me a reaction like oh, yeah, they had seen it's many times. clearly for these parents not. >> proud day at the i courthouse. martha: have we heard from the victim? >> reporter: we are thinking the 13-year-old, he's a 6th grader, would show up. the victim suffered injuries that day the beating happened, july 9. he was punched and kicked and tomorrowed a total of 50 times in 6 seconds.

the injury was a fractured left arm. he is getting along recovery and doing quite well. the on person that was charged with anything other than the aggravated battery was joshua redden who picked up the $5 that was in the sock of the victim after the beat down. it's possible all three 15-year-olds may enter their plea today. martha: thank you very much. this incident raising more questions about why we haven't heard more from civil rights leaders like reverand jesse jackson and al sharpton. what does their silence mean on this now? and does color matter at all in these situations? we are going to have a fair and balanced debate on that coming up in a little while.

bill: house republicans saying the irs is still singling out tea party groups seeking tax exempt status three months after the irs became embroiled in a scandal. what are the new allegations now? >> reporter: this new testimony shows political applications are automatically getting second look and irs screeners have no guidance on how to proceed. this testimony come from an unnamed irs agent in the cincinnati office and it's being held up as evidence that problems continue with the agency and tea party groups are still being singled out. in a lower acting irs commissioner he said irs screeners continue to flag applications for secondary constitutional right any based on name alone.

senator levin says this screener is not screening certain applications but sending them owl for scrutiny out of an abundance of caution. bill rrl where are we on the investigation into the irs. >> reporter: it's dragging along. rand paul appeared with hannity on fox, here is what he said. >> reporter: the president said within 30 days someone would be held' responsible. my question is how come lois lerner is still collecting a check. >> reporter: lois lerner is head of the tax exempt division. she has been on administrative leave for the past 10 weeks. martha: the mystery of the

so-called angel priest has been solved. we now know the identities of this man who comforted a teenaged crash victim when prayed with her and then left. bill: senator rand paul was the first to raise issues about unsecure weapons in libya. senator rand paul is on deck. martha: should republicans draw a line in the sand and let democrats shut down the government over healthcare? karl rove and senator mike lee with two opposite opinions on this issue. >> good policy here is to fight with everything in us, do everything we possibly can to

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martha: an avalanche in the french alps has killed two mountain the climbers. the trail was backed dozens of climbers at the time. another person was injured when the snow gave way. two french mountaineers also found dead a few miles away. it's unclear how they died. senator rand paul in kentucky -- nice to see you. senator welcome back to new york city. i want to get your first reaction to the president's comments on healthcare. roll this. >> i think the really interesting question. why it is that my friend in the

other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting healthcare their holy grail. their number one priority. the one unifying principle in the republican party at the moment is making sure that 30 million people don't have healthcare. bill: his argument is quite clear. if you defund obama-care you prevent 30 million americans from getting health insurance. >> i think the opposite may be true. my fear is pell make insurance so expensive people who currently have insurance may lose their insurance and people who have insurance through their employer, may lose their insurance because their employer says i would rather pay a $2,000 penalty than providing 12,000 worth of insurance.

bill: but then they would go to the government exchanges. >> maybe, maybe not. if you maybe $30,000 a year and you are working for someone who is not required to provide you insurance, it may be more expensive than they could af the president would argue every program like this has growing pains. medicare, social security. he used the example of a car company rolling out a new model. he talked about an ipad and apple. >> here is the problem, the way our country works is legislation is written by congress, passioned by your representatives. the president doesn't get to write legislation. it's illegal and unconstitutional. if he says to you you are a political contributor of mine. i'm going to give an exemption.

that's illegal. that's not exemption under the law. he's given exemption to specific restaurant and contributors. he's giving the employer an emshun. he can't do that. it would be against the law for him to write the law. >> as it stand today how many democrats in the senate would vote for it? if that is the case, what is your option? if you have got zero democratic senators. the idea stops in the senate. >> here is what would happen. the house is controlled by republicans and almost to a person we don't believe in funding obama-care. if we were to defund it in the house the senate would pass the funding with it included and you would have a compromise. when the house disagrees with the senate you go to a compromise committee. if you don't strive for what you

believe in, if you don't try to defund the thing you just go with what the president wants. it should be a meeting in between. it shouldn't be my way or the highway. bill: you asked this of hillary clinton back in january. january 23. >> is the u.s. involved with any procuring of weapons, transfer of weapons, buying, selling trance transferring weapons to turkey out of libya? >> to turkey? i will have to take that question for the record. nobody has ever raised that with me. >> you are saying you don't know. >> i do not know. i don't have any information on that. bill: the inference was weapons were going to syria by way of turkey. now today we have this attorney who has been working with a lot of people in benghazi suggesting 400 surface-to-air missiles have

gone mission and are likely in the hands of al qaeda operatives. if that is the case that's a big deal the administration has to handle. >> i'm concerned about surface-to-air missiles being in the hand of islamic radicals. i'm also concerned about hillary clinton not telling the truth. i don't think our public officials come before a committee and not tell the truth. the "new york times" reported she was the largest and most vocal advocate of arming the syrian rebels. the "new york times" also reported the cia has been involved with providing arms to the syrian rebels for over a year. we had no discussion of that so far. bill: was she not telling the truth? >> i don't know. i think she needs to be deposed again. bill: will you bring her back? >> i can't because we don't

control any committees. i hope chairman issa will bring her back. did it have anything to do with the misdirection campaign and did she have anything to do with not allowing the marines to aid their wounded brothers. bill: there are tv documentaries on the likes of hillary clinton. she is writing a book, there is a series of policy speeches she'll roll out. what do you make of that? >> i don't know, maybe she is going to run for president. bill: would she be. >> good president? >> i think her decision making process over benghazi should preclude her from being president. for six months leading up to the attacks they asked and asked and plead for more security and she says she never read the cables. that's her job. i think that's inexcusable. bill: thank you for your time.

south carolina in june, two trips to iowa. whawould you make a good presid? >> i'll leave that to others.

martha: a terrible tragedy at turner field after a baseball fan fell to his death. atlanta police say he fell 65 feet from an upper deck to the parking lot. it happened during a rain delay. the man was brought to an area hospital in critical condition but sadly he died shortly after that. we are starting to learn more about this story this morning. what can you tell us? >> this morning the medical

examiner released the identity of the victim as ronald homer of conyers, georgia. that's a suburb to the east of the atlanta. the associated press is reporting the victim was 30 years old and his mother described him as a lifelong braves fan. police are investigating the incident but say there is no indication of foul play. this appears to have been a terrible accident, martha. martha: what about the structural issues at the stadium. is there any suggestion that was at fault? >> this is a state-of-the-art stadium like other new stadiums around the country though this is not the first time something like this has happened. last year a 20-year-old from tennessee died after he fell over a railing at the georgia dome, a venue also in downtown atlanta. that happened during a college football game. authorities determined in that

incident alcohol was involved. in 2011, a fan at a texas rangers game fell to his death after trying to catch a baseball for his young on who was also attending the game. each time one of these incidents happens there is talk of raising the height of guardrails or installing netting to protect the fans but those proposals are always balances with strong consumer demand for unobstructed views of the game. bill: the fight or obama-care. republican against republican. should the gop draw a fine the sand and shut down the government? we debate that moment away. march first fire then the rain. a year after a devastating wildfire, a town in georgia, harrowing mudslide and flash

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martha: utah senator mike lee says conservatives should oppose any spending bill that would fund the law that could result in shutting down the government.

karl rove says that would be a huge mistake. here they are battling it out on hannity's radio show. >> the senate democrats have the votes to amended it to send it back to say we approve spending for obama-care. and we are serng it back to you. and the onus then is on the house. the question is where are the votes to make this pass? where are the votes to pass it? i just don't see it. and this assumes the democrats are going -- the democrats are going to be scared of a shutdown. they don't, they want it. they know what happened to us in 1995 when the government got shut down and they would love for to it happen again. this is the one tactic to guarantee the democrats pick up seats in 2014. >> you mean to suggest we are not going to fight and we shouldn't fight? simply because we are so afraid

of being blamed for it? this is how we get into this mess when we say we are afraid the other side is not going to cave so we have to. so we cave and we cave and we cave and we get obama-care and new entitlement programs that never go away. this is how we get into trouble. good policy is to fight with everything in us. do everything we possibly can to stop obama-care funding. >> interesting, right? what do you think about that? let's bring in doug schoen former pollster to president clinton, and brad blakeman. >> we have divided government. we have the house and democrats have the senate. and the president has the final say in signing a bill. i don't think we have enough votes to override the

president's veto. separate the current crisis of the debt ceiling, the continuing resolution for funding. surgically defund obama-care. the president admitted it's not ready for prime time by delaying the mandate for businesses. unions are against obama-care and they have been the biggest supporters. let's keep our eye on the prize. martha: bill just spoke to senator rand paul and aweighed in on this as well. here is what rand palm said. >> if we were to defund it in the house the senate would pass the funding with it included then you would have a compromise and the compromise might be a delay. you go to conference committee. when the house disagrees with the senate you go to a conference exit ian that's where a compromise is found. if you don't strive for what you believe in and don't try to defund the thing then you just go with what the president wants

and there is no compromise. the democrats control the senate and the republicans control the house and there should be a meeting in between. not it's my way or the highway and that's what the president is saying. martha: doug, you are the democrat in this discussion, what do you think about this? >> i have been a political strategist when the government was shut down. i was advising president clinton when the republicans when they rover -- when the republicansover reached they were blamed. brad is right. you want to say delay the individual mandate to surgically try to defund obama-care that's one thing. it is unpopular. martha: let's put up this poll. in this case the polls -- the

limb ple -- the iam plim -- the. people say it's a joke. 57%. >> we have a government with the rule of law. the rule of law says when legislation is passed, you i am plummet it gets fund. if you want to delay part like the president did for small business you can try that. but bottom line you can't defund every law that gets passed and say we are doing what we think is right or popular. martha: the gop has not come out with a comprehensive alternative. the president wants to see this go through. he may be open to change in this. that we don't really know in terms of -- as long as you can still say it's obama-care.

maybe there are changes that can be made that would make less than 57% make the whole thing seem a joke. where is the alternative. >> in 2014 when republicans hopefully take back the senate, then we have the leverage -- martha: they have to come forward with some ideas. >> you are going to see that as we get closer to 2014. right now the battle is the continuing resolution the debt ceiling. once we get past that the bat will take place in the spring and summer of next year as we approach 2014, and if the republicans are able to ghain the senate -- martha: doug was saying, martha, you are right. >> there is no republican narrative. republicans negatives are at an all-time high. brad blake man knows i'm right. he doesn't want to admit it. but the republican party is

ideologically bankrupt. they are out of business in terms of ideas. >> come on, doug. that's not so. we need to get past the current crisis. so once we do that. we are going to unite in the spring and summer and we are going -- i think we'll make tremendous strides in 2014. martha: there is no time like the present so we'll see. doug schoen. thank you. brad, always good to see you. thank you. bill: i say martha is right. martha: that's why we get along so well. bill: the mystery of the angel priest. a priest pulled up to a crash scene anointed and prayed for a teenage girl as the rescue girls cut her out of the car and he vanished. he was traveling between mass

assignments when he saw the crash and got out to pray. >> if you have faith, you stop. that is the only explanation i have. i didn't hide i just stood there praying for paul mighty god to intervene. there was something exceptional there in the manner of her rescue. the sergeant was quiet, but totally in control. people who are not part of the scene were moved. everybody worked his or her job according to their own expertise. it was just well organized. bill: the teenager is on the mend and her family and friends say they hope to find the priest and thank him, now they can. father patrick well done.

martha: they have no photographs that showed him there. but people saw him there and he was there. it's a good story. we wish her well, that teenager in that crash. doing better, we hear. let's get back to politics for a moment. hillary clinton is starting to give the first of what are called the series of quote policy speeches. is this the start of a presidential campaign? plus this. bill: that is new video within that giant sinkhole swallowing a luxury resort in florida near disney. people are running for their lives. authorities are looking for the next spot where the ground could open up. [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. trusted heartburn relief that goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster.

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resort outside of orlando. watch this here. that is home video. someone was there. they saw it. they show it. now, you get the day time aftereffect. a family with a baby had to jump through a window to be safe. common sinkholes across florida. every blue dot on there represents one of them. it's a lot more populated than it was 60 years ago. ted corliss, sinkhole attorney. why florida and are other states susceptible ache the sunshine state. >> we are close to the water table.

we love to hang out on beaches. most of the popt property that this property was sitting on was sitting on shallow limestone which means because it's so available and responsible for supporting the particular property, when it's affected by acid water or water hat has a certain kind of mineral tonight then you will find these holes opening up. bill: the state wants to do a study to find where the next possible sinkhole may be. the rain water becomes acidic and filters through the soil. here is the sinkhole. the limestone is important in trying to understand this. the acid breaks down the limestone and cracks and these cavities form. the home is sitting here. the explanation gets deep here. the collapsing sinkholes happen when the clay that hold the top

soil form bridges over deteriorating limestone. then you see things start to give way. as long as that's strong and solid you are okay. but the moment the decay comes down near the limestone you have got problems. one graphic we can show our viewers. the soil collapses from the changes in the weight and the pressure above pore below the ground. that is important, too. you have got the limestone that may be solid sat one moment, unsolid the next and unstable in part because of the amount of weight you are putting on top. it could be from a home, it would be from a building, it could be from a strip mall. >> one thing about this particular property is the association president indicated that they had been tested prior to construction. but your point is well taken which is these processes of additional pressure and additional water and additional movement could occur over time. even if they accurately assessed whether there was sinkhole

activity at the time of construction it could appear much later. bill: what can a homeowner do for themselves? is there some sort of device where they can check it out for themselves? >> i do look at the particular test that would have been done at this property at it time of construction. the accuracy is nominal. for homeowners the boast thing is to be aware of the condition of your property. bill: there was a tropical storm, debbie, in 2012. the state is saying the growing sinkhole risk was likely sparked by that storm, a storm i can't even recall, frankly. and we cover tropical storms all the time. it poured heavy rain into a state suffering from a drought. >> a lot of times what happens

is the water is affecting the clay, not so much the limestone. any time touch large changes in terms of droughter to deluge you will see an increase in these problems. most of the problems are much more simple. i don't know if you are aware of the fact that tiger woods whose not far from this location also had a problem, but all it did was damage his dining room. bill: he's got a $60 million property. there are reports he may have one under his house as well. ted corliss out i in vancouver today. martha: we'll show you the training the army is going through to deal with a potential nuclear attack. bill: this video goes on and on. it's just absolutely incredible. and harrowing first-hand account

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martha: we have incredible video coming out of colorado showing the moment a 70-year-old man was nearly swept away from his car as he tried to escape a flash flood that came through the area over the weekend. >> what is he doing? >> there is a person getting out of his car. >> get back in your car. >> oh, god. don't get out of your car. >> no, no, no, no. >> he just got out of his car and he left it and he fell. >> scary, you can see why they wanted him to stay in. but the couple was urging him to stay there. he did make it across that

raging water and did make it to safety. there is another story of survival of a colorado woman nearly swept away in her own living room. >> water started pouring into my living room window. real quickly i had no time to gather anything. not my pets or anything. i thought i'm going to grab that tree and pull myself out. i straddled that tree and flung myself on to the ridge, zwront embankment and crawled up to higher ground and then i noticed that my -- i'm walk on a broken leg and broken foot. thankfully the water was really cold so i'm sure all the adrenaline prevented me from feeling any pain. i survived. martha: she clung to a tree and

pulled herself to safety. police say one person was killed in that flood and two others were reported mission and then found safe. -- reported missing and then found safe. bill: garrett, good morning. >> reporter: here is the scenario for this exercise. three days ago terrorists is mowed a nuclear bomb the size of a large crash can. now 50,000 people are dead and hundreds of thousands are wound and rescuers are rushing into help. as fires burn bodies of life-like dummies lie in the rubble and victims walk around in a days asking for help. this scenario is a chance for military and civilian workers to gain real-life experience

responding to a nuclear terrorist attack on one of america's cities. >> the nuclear threat. that's the friday the 13th event for us. the radiation threat is an unseen. >> reporter: -- teams walked through the rubble in has mat suits checking for radiation level. the survivors burned from the radiation are taken to decontamination areas where they are cleaned and checked for injuries. soldiers practice working with these victims who would likely be hurt, confused and upset, making this exercise as close to the real thing as possible. >> what we replicate here can never approach what we may encounter. we train a set of skills we hope and pray we'll never have to

apply. >> just as would be the case in a real national disaster, the units include the national guard, the air force unit and active military personnel. martha: there is new outrage over the president's healthcare law after congress and their staffers got a special exemption. this has a lot of people scratching their heads. we'll talk to a law make more says there is only one way to solve that problem. bill: only hours after a voter i.d. law was signed that law becomes a target of a new lawsuit. at coca-cola we believe in giving people choices.

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martha: north carolina becoming the latest state to pass a

sweeping voter i.d. law and less than 24 hours and here come the lawsuits. bill: the governor of north carolina says it's just common sense. >> you need a photo i.d. to board an airplane. to cash a check or apply for most government benefits. in fact just recently both democrats and republicans joined together to require a valid government-issues photo i.d. to buy sudafed at your local corner drug store. our right to vote deserves similar protection. bill:n why is this so controversial? >> it's not just what's in the bill but the way it got signed away from the cameras and the press. he announced the bill on youtube. the new measure set to take

effect in 2016 is designed to prevent voter fraud. it required voters to present voter i.d.s at the polls and short bees the voting from 17 days to 10 days. and changes must be made 25 days before any election. >> protecting the integrity of every vote cast is among the most important duties i have as governor and it's why i signed these common sense, commonplace protections in the law. >> reporter: the governor says any vote more doesn't have a voter i.d. can get one at no charge at any dmv office in the state. bill: what is the reason for the lawsuit? >> reporter: there are a couple of lawsuits. democrats and libertarians say

the true goal is to suppress voter turnout among blacks, the elderly and the poor. the naacp is among those challenges the law. the aclu which also filed suit says this law is a disaster. eliminating a huge part of early voting will cut off voting opportunities for hundreds of thousands of citizens. lit turn election day into a mess, shoving more voters into even longer lines. the aclu says the law violates the equal protection act. martha: voting rights is the topic of discussion yesterday by hillary clinton. the former secretary of state delivered the first in a series of planned policy speeches that are intended to lay out her ideas to rear to faith in

government. that's the moniker of this campaign tour. it's the stylist one. everyone is wondering if hillary is about to announce down the road a white house run. it certainly -- you know, fit walks like a duck and talks like a during it could be a presidential campaign. but big picture issues, voting rights she spoke out strongly about, anyone who says racial discrimination is no longer a problem in presidential elections, where are we going here. >> she said she wanted to take some time off after she left the state department it many only been a few months and she is back in the public sigh and she is taking on serious controversial issues. what's interesting is how her agenda the next couple months, she'll start these new speeches lines up or goes against what

president obama has done whether on the nsa, voting rights. let many not forget when it comes to the voting rights issue it seems controversial. but 70% of people support some kind of voter i.d. law in their state. we'll see where she goes when it comes to pandering to independents or she'll try to lock down that base before going into the general election. >> she talks about running potentially as a woman. something she ignored or pushed to the back of the agenda and perhaps she feels to run in some way if she decides to as the first woman president potentially, that that was something that might have been a good arrow in her quiver that she might have neglected. >> in the 2012 election the war on women theme worked to gain votes. gallup polls show it worked for democrats. democrats want a woman to be

president. they can say historically they elected the first woman to the office. she'll probably use that to her advantage. but she is taking on other issues that aren't necessarily women's issues as well. it will be interesting to see how she plays with those. a lot of people have buyers' remorse when it comes to obama's policies and regret not electing hillary the first time around. martha: she said she is not interesting in running. she said i don't believe that's something i will do again. meaning seeking any public office. i'm so grateful i had the experience of doing it before. she talked about going home and relaxing. she has worked hard for a long time. none of those are too difficult to take back. >> they all have some i they are not running before they are running. everything has been set up for

mrs. clinton along the way. hillary clinton has served in pretty much every office you possibly can. and now this is the last one on the list. she has a lot of support behind her. her got roots efforts are set up. it's time for republicans to get something on the road. >> what do you think is the biggest hurdle? benghazi or something else? >> her main theme toys regain trust in government. people have distrust in government whether it's benghazi. the irs. the nsa. there are a lot of things that haven't been addressed that she'll have to address if her real goal is to establish trust with the american public. martha: it may take spending cuts to convince the american people the reins are being pulled in. her husband did that kind of reform when he went in for his second term.

katie, thank you, we'll see you soon. bill: anthony weiner may have let slip a plan for a hillary clinton run. he was asked if his actions hurt his wife's chance of working with clinton, then there was this question. do you know what the role will be in hillary clinton's 2015 campaign? >> i do. >> what else it? >> i'm not telling. bill: how is that relationship with the clintons going these days. report oreither he knows she has a role and the campaign is happening or he knows she doesn't have a role because that would make her seem out of the loop. he's trying to present a united front of being in the loop. bill: the clintons and wieners

at dinner ... bill: we'll give you a fox news alert. the administration has delayed until 2015 a cap on the amount of money people may have to spend on their own healthcare. that's a decision republican senator rand paul who was with us last hour says is not only unacceptable, but illegal. >> the way our country works is legislation is written by congress, possibled by your representatives. the president doesn't get to write legislation and it's illegal and unconstitutional for him to try to change legislation by himself. so if he says to you you are a political contributor of mine and i know obama-care will be hard on you a and i'll give you pane exemption. that's illegal. it's not equal protection under the law. he has given exemptions to specific restaurants and unions to people who have been his contributors. they are getting exemptions to

obama-care. bill: this is the second time the obama administration has granted a grace period for obama benefits. report * the first was a year's extension for larger businesses. this involves the limit on out of pocket costs. it was supposed to be $6,300 for individuals, $12,700 for families'. some insurers and employers use separate companies to administer drug benefits. different companies have different limits on out of pocket costs. they need a way to keep track of the out of pocket costs people are incurring. bill: what are republicans saying about this hiccup. >> reporter: most republicans are saying i told you so. they challenge the administration's assertion obama-care is work. republicans have been insisting the affordable care act is so

complicated it will be impossible to administer it. the delay on administering out of pocket costs was approved in february but it was buried in legal and bureaucratic language on the web site and no one noticed it until now. people with cancer or multiple sclerosis are likely to rack up hire out of pocket costs next year. martha: nice of me to let him go there. my personal vineyard. it was kind of me. and the president as well. there is a controversial new law that is meant to stop discrimination in schools. >> rather than singling out kids specifically who are entrance gender identified, this is a way for them to feel they are just like their peers. they are treated the same way. martha: kids able to pick what

gender they want to be based on their identity and not on their biology. we'll talk about it coming up. bill: what may have set this off in a moment. bill: a school bus beat down caught on tape. we'll debate that. fair and balanced. [ greg ] i like to golf all morning.

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martha: there is a controversial law in california raising eyebrows:'. governor jerry brown signed a bill that allows transgender students in public schools to choose which restroom they feel they identify more with and then they can use the boys room or the girls room depend opening how they identify. they can also choose which teams they want to play on for sports depending on which way they identify, not on their biology. california is among 14 states that have laws that protect transgender students from discrimination and harassment. let's get into this. thanks for being here today. peter, what's your reaction? >> my reaction is you are talking about a bill that sets biological sex which is

expressed in our internal sex organs, our external genitalia and at chromosomal makeup of every cell in our body against transient feelings and emotions of young people of adolescence in this case and saying we are going to ignore the biological reality and define a person based on these transient emotions. it makes no sense even apart from the radical implications of it for use of bathrooms, locker rooms and sports teams. martha: it's a chris triple nation principle that this law is based on, tamara. and it says that you can't be successful in school if you don't have the freedom to go to the bathroom you choose and what sports team you choose. >> i would like to address what peter says about the transient

emotion. this is typical of pete more have no empirical evidence. they just speak on feeling. proposition 8 couldn't put forward any empirical evidence to show that this was bad for children. so yes there are biological differences. but these are not transient feelings. if you speak to many gay or transgender people they will tell you they have experienced these feelings their entire lifetime. and also, martha, the reason why we are seeing this is because of bullying. there are teachers unions and many people at the bottom level are say we need this law because these children come to schools -- martha: why do you need a boys room and girls room. why not have one huge bathroom that everybody goes to. you are going to have a buy or girl who says i feel more like a

boy today. but down the road he feels more like a girl. there are a lot of confusing things that come into this. i know people have deep-seated conflicts that can be painful. it does effect a certain number of people it am not a big problem. i would suggest in a state where you have 50% proficiency in reading and math that perhaps we need to put our focus on those issues before we kind of, you know, sart opening up something that may be problematic for those children and for everybody else. >> i agree with everything you just said. i would point out that if we were to oppose in principle that people can change a fundamental biological reality such as their sex. but the legislators introduction this are unwilling to compromise even on the radical aspects of

this, such as the bathrooms, locker rooms and sports teams where there are fundamental biological reality. talking about young people, you are going to talk about people who have not had sex change surgery. you are talking about a change in their identification. martha: so what happens if a parent comes forward and says, you know what? my daughter is traumatized because there is a boy in the bathroom with her and she is not comfortable with that. how do you protect her rights? >> i think that's a big issue here and i'm not here necessarily saying i'm in favor of this kind of legislation because you brought up a great point about why don't we just have one big bathroom. so there are privacy issues. but with lawsuits, there isn't only liability. but you have to show damages. if this an allegation, then the girl or the parent are going to have to show the woman was

damaged. martha: the transgender students have to prove that their success was hampered in the education sphere by not being able to go into the other bathroom? >> they will have to show -- it's protecting the other students who are being bullied, the transgender students who only successful in school. 50% pro efficiency, that could be a lot because of their school environment. maybe when we make these kinds of issues more equal in the schools, then children will be able to learn properly. martha: i think reading for math proficiency is a much bigger problem than anything touched upon by this particular discussion. thank you, tam rap. obviously a hot issue. but you have got to ask the big questions about where we are headed with the big picture. bill: a surge in it legals forcing border officials to rent a hotel room, and not just one.

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martha: very interesting here. some controversial comments from disgraced former baseball great pete rose, when he was asked during a radio interview about the current steroids scandal involving a-rod and 12 other players.

rose said, you know what, those guys are lucky. he would have given anything for a second chance. here he is on 97.3, the fan in pittsburgh. listen to this. >> i picked the wrong vice. i should have picked alcohol. i should have picked drugs or i should have picked beatings up my wife or my girlfriend because if you do those three you get a second chance. they haven't given too many gamblers second chances in the world of baseball. martha: rose was banned from baseball more than 20 years ago for betting on games. boy, what do you think, bill? bill: well, i'm biased. i grew up with the guy but listen, his point about some of these getting busted for drugs already, they will get a second chance. martha: yeah. bill: already proven, take a 50-game suspension you will play baseball next year. on that point he is exactly right. martha: you think that -- bill: vices, but vices are bad, however. martha: well, yeah. but, i don't know. i mean i think you got to be across the board.

no drugs, no steroids, no nothing allowed. bill: watch pete. there is new outrage over subsidies for members of congress and staffers on obamacare. some republicans accusing the democrats of pushing the president to change the rules again. only way to solve the problem fairly is to repeal obamacare entirely. texas congressman steve stockman is on the foreign affairs committee. thanks for coming in. you're in las vegas today. i guess if you don't like the rules, if you don't like the law, you just amend it and change it. is that the way it works in washington? >> well, apparently the president chengs it without congress which is illegal. this morning i think he exempted or allowed the insurance companies to write themselves a bigger check. so, what we're, our office wanting to do is committee staff gets exempted, we would like to see everybody in the united states become a committee staffer. therefore, everybody would be exempt individuals. this law -- bill: that's a good question because what the exemption means

is that there will be subsidies for members about congress and some of their staffers. as they go on to these exchanges as government employees. question to you and the people working for you, will you take the subsidies as a member of congress? >> well, they had subsidies prior but what they did, they wrote out the health care law was writing out 70% of the bill, taxpayers were paying for all federal employees. we don't intend to take the subsidies. what we want to do is grant everybody a waiver by making them all honorary members of the committee, subcommittees or committees. so this bill, as i was mentioning is written by pell pell staffers. they exempted themselves. -- nancy pelosi. all the staffers on the committees. this is something should be an outrage. like going to a restaurant but this is fine dining restaurant but the chef doesn't want to eat food he prepared for you. this is outrage and congress should reject it.

bill: congress has taken the deal so far as we can tell right now. how many members of congress will take the subsidies? it is unbelievable thing you can pass a law and change the rules and take taxpayer dollars to fund your health care. and to get subsidies that are not granted to every-day americans. this is ridiculous. >> you're absolutely right. you're absolutely right. this is when the president came down to speak to house democrats, apparently the deal was cut then. i don't even know if the speaker is aware of it. we inquired about it, how this is happening. this is unilaterally coming from the white house at the request of the house democrats. we still don't know the parameters of it. we still don't understand what is going on. >> we'll not let go of it. we'll figure out in the end what it is about. >> we love you for doing that. bill: jewel 2009, president obama, if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan, period. no one will take it away no matter what. that was june 09.

how do we read that now? >> oh, it was, this is another campaign tactic. it wasn't based on facts. i mean, even nancy pelosi said you have to pass the law before you find out what's in it. no one knows what is in it. it is 1200 pages. most americans know one or two things about the bill, whatever adult child is. that's a new definition. you have continual unrolling of bad things in the bill. and now the democrats, even, even the head of the democrats on the senate side, such a horrible bill, unions say it is horrible bill. it needs to be repealed. it needs to be stopped and we need to stop the president from issuing edicts instead of participating in a demcracy and a republic. bill: enjoy august. there will be a lot of answers needed when you guys come back in september to d.c. >> i agree. bill: what a grand system it is. martha. martha: grand indeed. how about this? a once powerful political and social force, the american union may now be in real trouble.

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martha: firefighters in southern california are finally getting a handle on a massive wildfire that has threatened hundreds of homes. the silver fire as it's known destroyed 26 homes, charred more than 30 square miles of the mountains east of l.a. at its peak, the flames forced the evacuation of nearly 2000 people. 10 firefighters and a mountain biker were hurt in this fire. the cause of this blaze is under investigation. bill: there has been a sudden surge of illegals into the u.s. it has forced immigration officials to rent hotel rooms to relief overcrowding of immigrants near san diego. a growing number have been apparently learning that they can get asylum by using a few

key words, claiming to have quote, a credible fear of drug cartels and that to many, that looks fishy. >> this clearly has to have been orchestrated by somebody. i mean you can't, it is beyond belief that dozens and dozens or hundreds or thousands of people would simultaneously decide that they should go to the united states and make this claim. bill: julie myers wood, president of immigrations and customs solution. former assistant secretary of homeland security. how are you, and welcome back to our program here. what do you think is going on? >> i think the surge is very suspicious. you don't normally have an instance where there are hundreds of individuals, all coming to the border and claiming asylum. while we welcome the u.s. being a place where refugees and can come, it is troubling. you have to think about asylum fraud in this instance. i note credible fear is just the first stage in the process. so what's happening here, is that these individuals are being

given, granted credible fear and then are allowed to pursue their claims in immigration court. so they still have aways to go. what is concerning and troubling if they're released from detention maybe they won't show up from the hearings and ultimately will they be granted asylum or not. bill: the end part of your answer is they would have access into the united states and disappear and they dissolve into the country? >> that is certainly the concern about this what the government needs to do, given the increase in numbers is to create an asylum fraud task force and start looking. are there similarities in the story? is asylum really warranted in each of these cases. bill: do we have, do we have a task force like that, julie? >> they have in the past had a task force that looked at certain trends. it is not new for there to be, immigration hucksters that try to help people get asylum via fraudulent means. but i think we need one down at the border looking at this particular issue. the other critical thing we need to have, have enough judges so that the process moves quickly.

right now -- bill: i understand the point you're making. let me cut through this for our viewers at home. somewhere along the line if the rumors and reports are true, that hundreds of illegals are trying to become legal, and they have got this quote, credible fear of drug cartels, well, where in our policy did it change that would signal to them that's the excuse you can use to get into the u.s.? >> well, just a couple of weeks ago a group of individuals called the "dream 9", who were in the u.s. without authorization, left the u.s., went into mexico and then came back in the u.s. and they were granted credible fear. and you know it is very, very uncommon if you're worried about persecution in your home country to go back there. and some think that the act of granting credible fear to the dream nine has really encouraged others to seek asylum. bill: would that be written in policy somewhere? would we be able to nail that down? >> well, u.s. cis makes

individualized determination of credible fear and that is appropriate. bill: i see. >> there may be some individuals who would be valid for. think of a policeman from mexico being targeted by cartels. to have a wholesale group of individuals to come in to complain frankly about country conditions that is not a proper case for asylum. bill: if you were coming in from iraq you make a case but mexico you're saying no? >> i think it is individualized determination. if the complaint is simply about country conditions, the right way to address it is through temporary protected status or through immigration reform and not through asylum. bill: can we prove it is an orchestrated sham? could we prove it is coordinated? >> i don't know. i think i.c.e. has a lot of great investigators and a lot of great lawyers who could look at asylum fraud. i have to say getting judges down there to decide cases quickly is really important. even though they have been granted credible fear, at the end of the day they start getting asylum cases denied and returned to mexico, that is going to send a message. that will be a deterrent.

without that deterrent, people will continue to come, think that they can get a credible fear determination and be released into the community. that is where you start to have problems. bill: you make a great point. to the earlier point, i.c.e. estimates 600 tohundred thousand illegals a year do not show up for the court date and they disappear into the u.s. this point about dissolving. julie wood, thank you for your time. >> great to see you. bill: martha. martha: well a brutal school bus beating was caused on videotape and now critics are wondering, where some of the outrage is about this awful situation that happened to this young boy on this bus. it raises questions about civil rights leaders and parents and who should be speaking out, about all of this. plus this. >> [screaming] [gunfire] bill: remember that russian

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was caught on tape. watch this. >> got to get somebody here, quick, quick, quick. they're like to beat this boy to death. they're still doing it. nothing i can do. of leave the boy alone! leave him alone! leave him a! you know y'all going to jail. y'all going to jail. martha: you can see the three teenagers who were beating this child and punching him. he was a 13-year-old. he is a white boy, the three boys were throwing the punches are black teenagers. now you have several critics who are wondering why civil rights leaders have remained so silent on this case, especially after the george zimmerman trial provoked so much discussion about all of this. former florida congressman, alan west, ad this to say last night with greta. watch this. >> you know, jesse jackson called the state of florida an apartheid state. he also has been leading a sit-in in the state capitol in

tallahassee. where is this voice on this? al sharpton led all the marchs, where is his voice on this? they can't continue to do things that elevates them and really cause them to be seen as, you know, the hustlers that they are martha: called them hustlers. richard fowler, joins me, host of the richard fowler show. trin stovall is child advocate. what do you think about alan west had to say there. >> if you asked reverend jackson or reverend sharpton said how they felt about the particular incident we need to make all our schools are safe. we need to make our children are safe whether black and white. dipping distinction with this case where there is no racial implications at all and george zimmerman trial and "stand your ground" law where there is racial implications. martha: we do have a piece of sound from jesse jackson receipted to this. this is what he had to say about it on saturday. >> we're trying to make contacts with the family of the kids we

should discourage people attacking people, whether black white, black, black, people should stop attacking people. hard to make a comparison. in one case a man was unarmed and killed by another man. martha: jesse jackson's statement. we have video from this morning as these young people were walking into court. trini, what do you think about this discussion? here are the boys as they came into court this morning. sad day really all around for everybody involved in this case. what are your thoughts? >> i don't know that there's any information that shows that there was a racial motivation to this instance. however, racial inequality, disparity of treatment of a child because of their race in anyway is an injustice and an issue for all of us. so i don't agree that there's a comparative as between cases and i think there should be a response by all of the public figures to say that this young white male should have been protected by all of the people

in authority, who were supposed to protect him. martha: and i think that's what alan west was getting at as well. this boy apparently came forward that one of the other boys he suspected of selling drugs at school. the beating, according to what i read this morning on this was because they were angry with this 13-year-old child for ratting them out, basically and it was in retaliation. so i mean i agree that this could happen between kids of any race what happened on this bus. does it not, is it not incumbent though upon some of the people who have been so outraged about mistreatment in florida in the trayvon martin case to top core ward? would it not help everybody's credibility to come forward and outraged. the driver of the bus thought the boy could die. he thought he was beaten so severely that he could die? do you have a thought on that? >> i think it is absolutely incumbent upon us who have a platform and voice to speak on this issue. this is child violence.

if there are racial under tones there should be a conversation raised about that. there is disparity as between young white males in a minority situation just the same way it would be if the situation was turned around. so i do agree the platform should have been used to ask the question, are there racial implications here? martha: richard, go ahead. >> i continued to agree with that point. if you ask anybody calls into my show during the week they would say the same thing. there is rac both side. in this particular instance unlike the george zimmerman trial. there was no rarely implications here. the reverend was right to say, people should stop injuring and victimizing people period. martha: agreed. it is helpful if the parents come forward. we heard a little bit from one of the parents and say, you know, what my child did was wrong. i mean i think that is something we don't see enough of in society today. come forward to say my child will apologize to your child. this is not behavior we condone. this is wrong. i think we need to see a lot

more of that, from a leaders and also from families in these situations. we're going to have leave it there we're short on tame. thank you so much for being with us today. tough tape to watch. bill: jenna lee is coming up a couple minutes. what are you working on, "happening now." >> hi, there, bill. another roleout to obamacare. there is delay on limit of out-of-pocket expenses on us. a key promise of the administration. we'll have news and reaction on thatch. steve moore joins us on the topic ahead. how would you like a one-way ticket to mars? one-way ticket? 100,000 people already signed up. we'll explain. a new report that moderate drinking may make you less likely to gain weight than someone who doesn't drink or someone who drinks a lot. what's up with that, bill? we'll tell you. bill: i'm watching to find out. >> can you have a beer for lunch or not? that is what this will determine. bill: i don't recommend it. you're of an adult mind.

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over a cushion of air, like air hockey puck at speeds over 700 miles an hour. phillip ross, senior he had are to have ieee spectrum magazine. nice to see you, buddy. right on. for our viewers at home we'll rewind some of the graphics and animation. you will tell us what is doable and suitable. what is this? >> this is the version released by elon musk. it sucks air from the beginning of tube and pushes it through the floor or in the back. i'm not sure about that. look like skis. they both, protect the thing from the side of the wall and also draw energy from it. in the form of kind of a linear accelerator. form of a electric motor. that over there are people strapped down for g-forces. it will be pretty wild in the beginning because it will accelerate so fast. bill: what will they feel? >> pushback in their feet when it is accelerating. i suppose pushed back in the

seat when it decelerates. bill: is it pressurized cabin? >> it cabin is pressurized because the tube outside is depressurized is -- bill: lea to beijing in two hours. >> go from l.a. to san francisco in 30 minutes. that is $10 billion maybe. that is what he says. bill: so the state of california right now, building a high speed rail system. it is expensive. it is $70 billion. >> yeah. bill: how can the hyperloop be built at $6 billion? >> he claims it is cheaper to build this thing. you saw the double barrels hanging over the ground like a monorail sort of. it is cheaper to build it that way to build a rail bed. funny enough, less work done on the ground. and there's less land to be taken up. less farmers to be paid off. he would use existing right-of-way for the highway, i-5 i think it is. bill: i think this is a fascinating diagram too. do you think this is, obviously it's a concept. is it conceivable?

is it a reality? >> he worked hard on it. he imagined all things that could go wrong and taken safety into account and earthquakes. the problem you can't figure out an engineering project without building it and birthing it through the building. bill: would you take a ride on this. >> i would. i'm an engineering rider. i get paid to do that. bill: you will be back in the office in the pod. we'll see whether or not this happens sometime soon. back over to martha right now. martha: thanks, guys, very interesting. investigators are trying to piece together what went wrong when a man fell from the upper -- of atlanta's turner field to the hard pavement below and to his death. more on that investigation is straight ahead

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