holy harry. did he just let his party's real health care plan out of the bag? it looks like the democrat's goal all along was to bag private health care in america. that's not me saying it, even though i have said on it. now back to the senate majority leader and what it was saying when asked about whether he was working to scrap our present health insurance pay system. >> obama care is a step in the right direction, but we're far from having something that will work. >> so we'll work beyond the insurance eventually? >> absolutely, yes.

>> did you hear that? so goodbye private insurers, hello government-run health care. but don't say i didn't warn you. i suspect when i was covering the debate on the hill that this was ultimately the goal any way, and even though that some democrats expressed disappointment, that we didn't end up getting a single payer system, it was like a trojan horse deal ultimately leading to that. but enough about me. back to my panelists who want to congratulate me. by the way, they were also in on this. they're smarty pants in their own right. fake a look. >> ultimately that's the game plan, a single payer system. that's going to be a disaster. >> with the public plan, what it's going to do is increase costs for people who still have private insurance. >> all right. charles and dagan, with adam, gary. charles, you were saying the signals were there and now we're getting the confirmation.

>> now we're getting the confirmation, and it's going to be a painful process. ultimately, when this happens, you're talking about pushing out the private sector and all of our worst nightmares with respect to this kind of stuff. the prices are going to go up, the quality is going to go down, innovation thrown out the window. when people dis the private sector, they need to understand where we are as a nation, where we've come, from and it's because of the profit motivation. people say, well, they live longer in other countries. yeah, but we're the fattest, happiest country in the world. >> the word is calorieic challenged. dagan? >> if you're a conspiracy theorist, you would believe that the current obama care as it was written was written that way to be so unwieldy, to make it that you can't implement it, that people hate it so much that people will go to a single payer system.

that's what you heard from other democrats in congress. maybe that happens. but there's so many people fighting the idea of a single payer system. it flies in the face of everything we believe in. >> but if you get fed up where your insurance premiums, like in florida where in some cases they're doubling, you might run away from that private insurance happily, right? >> but in the long run, single payer is going to kill. the definition of single payer is they run the purse strings. they in and out the money and that's what these people care about. these are the people that created $17 trillion in debt. medicare, medicaid, social security, how those things are doing. you said it best, profit motive. there is no profit motive when government is running it, and it's going to blow up. we know the health care bill. they had to cancel things, postpone things. the price is double what it originally was. tax payer, you're dead. >> adam, i don't think anyone is ever that clever, but you could

argue that you know having 30 million not inshurd suddenly inshurd, those with preexisting conditions get insured. kids stay on the policy until you're 26. but you would know the math and premiums would go way up and people would get annoyed by that, and that would push them into the very thing you wanted all along, wouldn't you? >> it's an interesting conspiracy theory, neil. i would say it was no secret that a large segment of the democratic party, i shouldn't say large, i don't know how large, but was in favor of a single payer plan. for good reason. charles made a good point, it gets down to values and what you believe in. we have a single payer military in this country. we have decided really the government should pay for all of it, because we want our country defended well. not sort of, not most people defended, but everybody defend

it. that's what people who favor a single payer health plan favor, everybody getting medical care in this country. but i don't think that harry reid tipped his hand. he did a long time ago. >> everybody already gets medical care in this country. the thing people disagree with is the government making all of their health care decisions, where you will wind up with a finance sha financially unstable health care system and the government will have to ration care. there's no two ways about it. >> people can go to the hospital and get care, and we're all agreed that has worked terribly. that doesn't give people the sort of, you know, preventative care they need. it's extremely expensive. and i just want to say as i've said, insurance equals rationing. all insurance companies. they all ration to an extent.

no, you can't get that procedure, yes, you can get that procedure. >> when there's just one entity doing it, there goes choice. but i'll leave that aside. i'll also leave aside the military health care analogy, with branches of the military, and they have a track record that seems to be fairly successful. gary, where are we going with this? between the delays and polls now showing that most people don't like the direction it's going in, that we up ended the system which 90 % of americans were happy to cover the 10% who now -- even now aren't eager to sign up for this, for what? >> it depends on 2014. the elections are going to be very important if the democrats get the house, they're going to be able to push this forward much quicker. >> you'll never get this president to sign off on signing off on this thing. >> but they can at least fight it in a way.

i don't know what way, but at least fight it. look, my problem is the dollars with. this i would not trust harry reid to run my kid's lemonade stand -- >> when you think lemons, he might be the good. >> this is a big part of the economy. and all of a sund they're going to run it and run it well and profitably? >> he's not an administrator, he's a legislator. >> fair enough, but he is overseeing the guys who will and implementing these programs. i guess what i'm getting at is we have a monstrous system that has now left the train station. democrats argue you just can't bring that train back. the train is significantly delayed. where is this going? >> the president is not going to want to do anything despite the fact there will be a big push to delay it, defund it. but i think -- >> you think that effort is a waste of time?

>> i don't think it's a waste of time, but i don't think it will be successful initially. you have to keep the drums going -- >> would you shut down the government over it? would you attach that to -- >> a continuing resolution, i would. but i'm not running for re-election anywhere. >> neither is the president. >> would you, dagan? >> that's a tall order, isn't it? >> my thought is it would be very bad. >> you want to see what our national health care system would look like if it's single payer? just look at new york city. now mayor bloomberg is concerned what we eat, how large the sodas we drink are. it's become they have a city run hospital system and they bear the burden of higher health care cost, so they're trying to force and change behavior on the people of new york city for that very reason. to that is just the beginning of rationing. >> i'm hoping things change because they just need the change. i'm hoping that stop smart

people figure out that businesses are not going to hire that next person because of the mandates on how many people are hired. >> all i know is the things that have been delayed are the things that are going to pay for this. the things that have been front loaded and are going on, are all the goodies. >> the things that have been delayed have been for big businesses, insurance companies benefit, big businesses benefit, the people watching this show, they don't. that is just yet red flag. >> we'll see how it works out. hope springs eternal, unlike adam. i love adam dearly. when we come back, cut off cairo. it's one thing that the left and right are increasingly agreeing? so why are we still throwing good money after bad? concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+.

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live from america's news headquarters. deadly violence in egypt. the government now considering

plans to outlaw the muslim brotherhood in their country as security forces battle supporters of ousted president mohamed morsi in the streets earlier today. egyptian authorities exchanging heavy gunfire with armed men inside a cairo mosque. the death toll from the fighting approaching 1,000, making the past few days the bloodiest in egypt's modern history. also, the brother of one of the world's most wanted terrorists arrested. his brother is the leader of al qaeda, and mohammed is accused of commanding insurgents in the sinai peninsula. back now to "cavuto on business." for all the headlines, logon to foxnews.com. enjoy your afternoon. >> you know the score, hundreds dead, thousands injured and still giving egypt a lot of money. even "the new york times"

demanding president obama stop sending military aid to cairo. now, the president did decide to cancel joint military exercises next month, but don't stop there, right? >> i think it's time. this money is to buy influence. i don't think we have any influence anymore. even the last couple of days, chuck hagel has been trying to call the general there and he wouldn't take his calls. it's not just egypt. we give $1.5 billion to libya, $2 billion to pakistan. we're not seeing any love from a lot of these countries. there are billions we can keep it here and do some good for this country. >> one of the brilliant things about that "new york times" editorial, they said every time you give egypt money, you further inflame the mass. so why not just stand >> if you do, does that embolden the muslim brotherhood even more? >> then you're deciding who is going to be your friend.

you're going to take your bets on the military guys? >> if you pull the money, do you lose contact in any kind of a channel? >> i would risk losing contact with everyone. >> but then you -- i mean, does it heighten the chance of a civil war potentially? >> why do i care? why i am contributing to whatever the outcome is? >> if egypt blows up beyond what we've already seen -- >> it's blown up. >> it could get worse. >> i'm wondering whether the money we put it just compounds the problem and we don't even know who we're giving the money to. >> we've emboldened a static situation. the military supposedly, the king makers out there, they keep getting the money from us. so we pull away the punch bowl and they have to earn this money. they have to do the steps, create a real democracy or something akin to it before we can keep giving them money. we've played this game too long.

>> adam, all i know is we've given money to mubarak and military support before. essentially the muslim brotherhood briefly in power. now to the military kicking the brotherhood out. i don't know. to the world, and to egyptians in particular, clearly america is trying to hedge its bets and be friends with everyone, but no one likes us. >> let's be clear, this is not about us being loved and supporting democracy in egypt. it's about supporting stability and security. >> nothing is working. >> there is though, to the extend that our ally, israel, wants a partner to work with in egypt, and it happens to be, for better or worse, the egyptian military. >> i understand that. the most populous muslim country in that region, that i

understand. but who are you giving the money to? >> well, so far we've been giving it to the military. i think the key word in that "new york times" editorial is suspend. we should stay guess what? you're in the penalty box. no more money until we feel we can give it to you again. >> don't you think that people use that, adam? think about that. what is america saying it will withhold the money until we do what? it was like the old days when a country said unless you are for israel's right to exist, we're not going to give you a penny. one after a another, they said we'll let them exist. we don't mean it, but that's a guaranty to get american money. they just play us like a fiddle and we play the tune. >> you give them the money, they act nice a couple weeks then they're back doing the other thing. you've got to at least use it, you've got to threaten them to do the right thing. >> you would stay, all right,

you've got to stop killing? >> good beginning, but the bigger point is that, where is this money going anyhow? dictators end up with the money. they don't use it on the people, they build castles and palaces and nothing good ever gets done with it. >> when you talk about pulling the money out, though, you assume that that vacuum would be filled with greater diplomacy and greater leadership in this country. we haven't had that with the money, so why is that going to improve? >> if we're not giving them money, we're not compounding it. i know, dagan, that we can't buy anyone's love. but i'll be damned if i put a deposit on their hate. where does this all go? >> you know, i don't know. because i'm having a hard time understanding the administration's policies. >> any administration. >> more recently, though, who are we backing? it feels like okay, we're trying

to be nice to everyone. >> you can pull the money and it's an easy solution and a viable political one, but then what? >> i think these countries know us and we get used. >> to dagan's point, you stop the money and then we're rolling the dice for what? >> i think you stop it, and then you are rolling the dice. >> accountability, accountability. cobbling together a real government that's real representative -- >> i think it's like a huge cylindrum with guns, stop. >> there's no shooting war between israel and egypt and those immediate neighbors right now. >> i just don't see how contributing money is helping.

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you know, zombies are like adult kids living at home. but they just keep coming. the number of such kids moving

back in with their mom and dad, now at a record high. so when do you kick them out? according to a new study, parents think that they should give their kids the heave-ho five years after they graduate from college. charles, what do you think of that? >> we're talking about almost 30 years old. some of these kids are going to have kids. you've got to be kidding me. my son is 16. he's going to college soon. you want to come back, you're starting a business, or you need to look for a job. you're watching music videos and you tell me i e-mailed out 100 resumes today. we're not going to play that game for five years. anybody thinks that five years is a good period of time, you're not doing anybody any favors. >> if he's watching fox business, fox news, that's okay. gary? >> my son, aaron, graduated college, just left. i already miss him, and he can come back and stay for the rest of his life for all i care.

seriously. >> you're weak, man. >> that's okay. but a lot of people are going back because of necessity. there is a lack of jobs out there. so both ways. >> if the jobs aren't still that great, they can still get one and they can work and the thing is, if you want to live at home with your parents after you've been in college, something is wrong with those kids. i wanted to get the hell out as soon as i could. i was dying to get out of my parent's house, and i was willing to do anything. >> they might be watching. >> they know. they're glad i'm not there. my dad looked at me and said, i don't know who is going to give you a job, but go forth. >> you go back to, you know, italy where a -- whole generations live, you could argue that's the way of the world. it's just that we are different here. but what do you make of that? >> i'm biased, too.

i moved out two weeks after graduation and i was always proud of that. but i don't want to judge these kids. they have dead debts and what . >> don't want to judge these kids. >> oh, please. yeah, let's judge. >> i want to thank dagan. did any of you see this, when the markets were tumbling on thursday, one stock in particular was jumping. and the reason why, they tell you, why this market ain't over yet. now add the dodge part. ♪ the dodge summer clearance event. right now get 0% financing for to 72 months and no payments for 90 days on all dodge vehicles.

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going nowhere, and very solid company but not growing. a billionaire could say here are some ways you should grow. >> adam, have you seen the movie, the ashton kutcher movie on steve jobs? >> i did. i thought it was terrible. >> there you go. and "cashin' in." >> eric: forget big cities. now poverty is becoming a big proble forget big cities, now poverty is becoming a big problem in america's suburbs. and it's happening as the number of big government handouts like food stamps explodes. so is a it coincidence or the cause? plus, now we're learning nsa broke privacy rules thousands of times per years. this is going to blow your mind. and then -- >> just happy, happy, happy. thank you. [ applause ] >> and he should be happy. he just won the lotto. but wait till you hear what a majority of americans say they would do if they won. this is going to shock you.

"cashin' in," defenders of freedom and capitalism, starts right now. hi, everybody. welcome to "cashin' in." our crew this week -- welcome, everybody. first, it was the big cities and now the suburbs. poverty is a painful reality for nearly 1 in 5 americans, including moms, dads and kids. in 1964, president johnson declared a war on poverty. over the decades since, taxpayers have funded a massive redistribution of wealth. in the years since that declared war, welfare spending is up 11,000%. and spending on food stamps has ballooned 32,000%. with trillions of tax dollars to combat poverty, one would think poverty levels would fall. the exact opposite is happening. american poverty has exploded to 15.9%, and there's more.

america's biggest suburbs are now home to the largest number of americans living in poverty. the dream of a suburban house with a white picket fans has given way to the fastest growing sector of american poverty. the sad but true reality, the new face of american poverty is right next door. and amazing correlation, as the spending on poverty goes up, the more it's spreading. jonathan, break it down. why are we spending so much more and yet poverty continues to rise? >> interestingly, eric, before we began the war on poverty, the poverty level has been dropping. it fell about half from 1950 to the 1960s when president johnson began the war on poverty. since then, it's been $16 trillion spent on the war on poverty, more than we spent on all the military wars in history. and the net result is higher poverty levels. it's because the safety net creates two classes, victims, that is taxpayers, productive

of the welfare.sites who are >> so star, can we point the finger at higher spending as the cause of higher poverty? >> it's not just the spending alone. what happens with the welfare state is it rewards ill behavior. so we've seen marriage collapse as a result of our means test. when marriage collapses, you end up with the scenario you have, where 40% of american children are now raised in single headed households. so with that, you have poverty. there's just no question. and the values we're starting to see now in the suburbs that we thought were insulated are now spilling out. the white out of wedlock birthrate is 8% higher than where backs were in the '60s when they started this social engineering. that's the problem. >> bob, why is poverty spread to the suburbs? >> i hate to correct jonathan,

although it would be a full-time job if i had enough time. the reality is, in the 1950s and early 1960s, the poverty rate was falling. it was also the greatest growth of the middle class in this country and most of that were the people in the suburbs. what has happened, i think at least demographically, you see a lot of people fled the inner city. a lot of minorities went -- in prince george's county, it was almost white, now it's almost all black. >> what does that happen -- >> so bob is playing the race card. >> i'm a liberal, so i can get away with it. >> so what's your point? >> my point is, i started by saying blacks before i was interrupted -- >> bob, you have to be honest about what happened there. families moved into the suburbs. black families, in tact,

husbands, wives, children, moved to get better schools to have a better economic future. so to try to make it -- >> wait a minute, star, please. >> what we did is we allowed the inner cities full of single headed households. >> if i could just finish my sentence. blacks moved out, so did a lot of ethnic groups like polish and others who moved out of the ghettos into the suburbs seeking the middle class. but they were on edge whether they were in a position to afford to move to the suburbs. but they were in fact had to because the school system was terrible. part of this is -- you can blame johnson's war on poverty all you want. the reason poverty has gone up -- >> i don't want the war on poverty. we should end the war on poverty. >> i want to bring wayne in here. wayne, the very much reality, the reason why a lot of people in the suburbs, black or white, are falling below the poverty line is because the jobs, the

good jobs evaporated, the construction jobs, manufacturing jobs and gave way to retail and fast food jobs. >> a lot of that is true, eric. but the statistics are somewhat misleading. when jonathan quoted them the way he did. after 1996, when the clinton administration by the way changed the act, the welfare act, poverty actually was reduced for the next ten years. so this is a recent phenomena from about 2008 up to today, that we've had this massive increase. it's been a huge increase in the last four or five years. so the statistics don't tell you all that. >> that dove tails the lousy economy over the last four or five years. >> hold on, bob. we spend a lot of time on tv where you say the economy has gotten better because of

president obama. >> it has gotten better. >> the entitlement spending is off the charts. >> bob, if you're such a knowledgeable liberal, think about what president johnson said about this war on poverty. the idea was to make the system self-sufficient, not this ongoing tax on the productive members of society. >> but you can't do that when you reward ill behavior. can i address something that happened in 2008? what happened in 2008 -- >> jonathan, you happen to be wrong. after president johnson, the war on poverty, poverty did go down for a period of time. then it began to rise. >> and it's higher now -- >> just shut up a second. jonathan, you've got to learn to be quiet and let other people speak. try a little politeness every now and then. what i'm trying to say is in 1996, when the law changed under

the clinton administration, and the congress was a republican congress, am i correct, bob? >> yes. >> then it changed. poverty again went down. >> we also had a booming economy -- >> i didn't stop talking, jonathan. you have to learn to shut your mouth! >> hold only, guys. let me break this up. >> would i be able to make two points? >> star, i want you to make your point, but poverty, 15.9%, the highest since president johnson's war on poverty. star, go ahead. >> you have to look at a couple of factors. someone brought up 2008 and why did we see that shift? why we saw that shift where poverty numbers started going back up after we reduced poverty numbers because we got rid of some of the means tests during welfare reform, the reason it went back up is because nancy pelosi signed increases in minimum wage.

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homeowners to get out, as nearly 150 square miles here sun valley are now burning out of control. ski resorts in the area now using their water cannons to beat back the flames. more than 700 firefighters are now involved in the effort. back to "cashin' in" now. >> eric: the president might >> the president might have a lot of explaining to do. remember when he tried to calm fears over the nsa snooping scandal? >> there is no spying on americans. we don't have a domestic spying program. >> now new leaks are exposing the truth. the nsa reportedly breaking privacy rules thousands of times per year. wayne, can this get any worse? >> well, eric, i'm in favor of the fourth amendment. any time you violate the constitution, the constitution was written for a purpose. we're a society of law, not of men.

there's no excuse for it happening. when you start suspending civil liberties for the -- and abuse, too, it's going to get abused. the federal government abuses everything. you have people there that don't know what the hell they're doing and have no respect for the constitution and they abuse it. if you empower them, they're going to abuse it. >> bob, we took a lot of heat for standing by the fourth amendment for saying that the nsa was violating people's privacy rights. they denied it. james clapper in front of a senate panel denied doing it. now we know they did it thousands of times per year. >> wayne is right. when you allow the rules to be stretched, and in this case way overstretched, you'll have people involved in those programs who are going to take the ultimate path they can to get the most information. i think one of the people we ought to pull in here are the phone companies that have been in collusion with the nsa allowing them to interrupt their trunk lines. it is the worst invasion of privacy. they've been doing this since

the 1950s. but they used to target people that were potential enemies of the united states. >> and also in the amendment, as you well now, probable cause. there was no probable cause. >> star, they go through the fisa court, the foreign intelligence act court, and there was nothing foreign about a lot of americans being data mined. >> americans are becoming more and more suspicious about our government, and their overreach into our free throw domes. the tsa patting us down, the irs looking at us in different ways. what incompetence, to say we're listening to egypt. these bureaucrats are out of control, and i'm glad that we're looking more closely into what is happening in our so-called security arena. >> jonathan, let's connect some dots here. the irs admitted to being

scandalous. the fbi told us that they can turn on our cell phones if they want remotely. any question with what's going on with the data the nsa is holding? >> who knows what they're doing with it, eric? they're evading the actual real war. all this snooping and spying on americans is an evasion of the actual enemy is jihad and state sponsored islam. at least nigerians are trying to fight it. we can't make up our mind on the muslim brotherhood? instead, we have to worry about our own government spying working against americans. >> that's what it comes down to. they don't want to admit there is an enemy. we have to admit that there are legitimate causes for us to look into specific people and their interests instead of this blanket approach that says everybody is a suspect. that is just unconstitutional. >> go ahead, bob.

>> i agree with that completely. a lot of these abuses began with the patriot act. >> here we go. >> when we have a crisis, we pass laws very quickly. and the patriot act should go away. 9/11, i know you hate to hear this, but 9/11 is over a decade old. it's time we move on. >> time to move on from 9/11. how about this, all those that have accused of us hiding behind security and what not, not wanting to believe a secure nation by defending the fourth amendment over what the nsa has done, it's a false agreement. >> move on, bob? what about never forget? i just think it's disgusting. >> it's a day you shouldn't forget, but a date that should not tie you down for living freely. >> we've got to go. what would you do if you won the lottery like these guys? ? the boys used double miles from their capital one venture card

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>> it is a miracle and shocking and after 34 years andte almost retiring last year, this happens and you just don't have another chance. >> now that guy is leaving his job and retiring after winning the lotto. but check this out. in a in -- in a new poll 68%

of americans say they would keep working if they won money in the lottery. say you woke up and you had 10 large in your pocket. coming to "the 5"? >> i would come to "thet if five." there are a number of people wh wo have jobs that they look at and get out of bed in the morning and they don't run offhy to get there. i think that 68% is vastly overstated. >> in the break i'm sure>> people are worried are wayne and john okay. if you won $10 million you would give john a couple million at least, right? >> not to him because he is him not a charitable case, but i would give a lot away. it i think bob is right. the 68% is when you are faced with something like thatike somebody is going to give you $10 million and, yeah, i got a lot of gold bricks i will sell you too. i don't believe it. star, what about you? what is the next day after winning 10 million like? >> i am hopeful.>> i i think the numbers might be right. most americans are decent,

hard working people and i am glad to see them reflecting theer numbers. 10 million is not a lot. the government will take half and your family willwill smooching, your missingme cousins at your door.vate expru to hire private -- expru to hire private security. >> for debt 10 million. think about the people who have hundreds of millions and billionaires, the wealthy entrepreneurs.to w they still go to work in the morning. >> exactly. >> they go to work. any element of a creative life fuels a happy existence and work has a value unto itself. americans in vented the phrase make money. we are into production and creation and thinking. even if you won 10 millionople most people wouldn't want to sit on a beach for 40 years. >> ask coal miners if they will go back to work in the mines after winning 10 million. >> well maybe they will find some sort of productive work. >> i am convinced that many will.hat

they love their work. >> 68% would go back to work,>>e but only 50% said they would bac go back to the work they did prior to winning. >> that sounds clearer.clea i am worried about the 32% that won't. >> last thought, jonathon. always talk about having to work as a real negative like got to go to work. it is about dealing with reality and succeeding and producing. whatever won text either work a as a cashier or ceo there is a t value beyond the paycheck.han' >> he is probably much moreng w accustomed to dealing with ceo's than cashiers. c he can speak for ceo's. iwoul would not have him out front speaking for cashiers. >> if i won $10 million in the i lottery i would be looking forward to the next day sitting next to you on "the five" going -- >> look, it is highway robbery.c: w >> we will leave it there. thank you for joining us thisnd week.kel coming up, one of the most

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>> and you are both basically betting on the same thing. you are doing it straight upn with sagg and wayne doing leverage with tbt. >> i am not as wealthy as can't afford theaffo leverage. i don't have as much money as he does. >> we'll put nut lottery, meab you will be. thanks for joining us. jo before we go, when i took over cashing in last january i wanted to shine a bright light on washington cronyism. you have responded and oured. ratings soared.but it was a big surprise when thew new york times, usually knownknw for providing cover for ther elite democrat spending class like the clintons ran thisns story. it was a blistering investigative report showing the clinton foundation as a nonprofit ripe with crony crap tallism and deficits despiteki raking inng a half billion bil dollars from 1997 to 2007. maybe they are catching on. they are definitely watching. by the way, good job, new york."

times. it is about time. i will see you on "the five." f have a great weekend,at everyone. hello, everyone. bob beckal and dana perino and greg gutfeld. this is "the five." >> oprah winfrey's highly anticipated movie "the butler" opens up nationwide tonight. it is about cecil gains, after african-american butler who worked for presidents. oprah says it brings context to the race discussion. take a look. >> you know he got that job himself. the white house called him. he didn't call the white house. >> i want to hear all of the stories. >> i don't know how many stories you will hear. they swore him to some secret code.

>> get the hell out. >> i'm sorry, mr. butler, i didn't mean to make fun of your hero. >> a great story, but for some reason oprah has been all over town talking about race the last couple weeks. here she is talking about people using the n-word. >> a lot of people if they think they are not using the n-word themselves they physically are not using the n-word themselves and they do not harbor ill will toward black people that it is not racist. to me it is ridiculous to look at that case and not to think that race was involved. >> and now here she is comparing trayvon martin to emmitt till. >> emmett till is a symbol for those times as trayvon martin is a symbol for this time. there are multiple trayvon martins whose names never make the newspapers or the headlines. the circumstances surrounding that allowed it to be, but there were multiple emmett tills, multiple lynchings and

multiple young black boys -- >> people whose names are not remembered in history. >> whose names are not remembered and often not reported. >> is this a smart move? millions of people admire oprah for what she has accomplished, me inclusive. she is a great american success story in fact. why does she want to get in the middle of these controversial issues? kind of disappointing for me. what is the purpose of playing the race card around town? >> she wants people to see her movie. it is a good way for people to see the movie. the race debate is integral in the movie from what i understand. she has made millions of dollars. she can say whatever she wants. it is not really a brand issue. i just don't know why she would say what she is saying. we'll get to the emmett till comparison. i don't think that was fair. i don't think that was smart to get into it. but i want to hit on the sound byte where she talked about people being racist. we always confuse and she does it too the word racist with prejudice. there is racist out there, sure, but we are all guilty of

prejudging. prejudice, that's where the word comes from. i prejudge. you prejudge. if oprah doesn't prejudge she is a liar. if i am in a bad neighborhood and i see someone coming, black or white, i am locking my doors. it is not racist. if a homeless person comes up, like the guy in duck dynasty, people prejudge. >> at one point in the sound byte she talked about the trayvon martin case. she says it is hard to say it is not about race. well just because something may or may not be about race doesn't mean it is racist, true? >> yes, but it is interesting to me despite her brand and her brand is settled, she made that brand based on somebody not that fits into the race issuement the first time she did an overt race issue was when she endorsed barack obama. i think this is a departure for her. maybe selling the movie is part of. it but i think she is starting to break out a little bit. i think she has a new

network. >> some would say and i greaty with this that she should have stuck with the original oprah show. she had the huge audience and she could interview paula deen one day and interview reverend al sharpton the next. >> i don't think so. i think it had run its course. talk about somebody who helped us deal with prejudices we might have had, oprah is a great example of you wanted to tune in every day because you got to enjoy her and you got past the color thing i think. i had a chance to go with mrs. laura bush. when her book was done it was the first time i got to meet oprah and she had this amazing charisma with her audience. she was lovely. everybody that worked for her was lovely. i listen to her on this and i think the movie is coming out at a time that they didn't know the trayvon martin trial was going to end right as the movie was coming out. so as she is going to do the interviews about the movie and the movie promotion she is being asked about race a lot. these are her opinions.

the emmett till is not one i would have made. she is oprah. she can teachers and us a lot. even if it is to make us think, wait, i wouldn't think that, she doesn't try to impose her views on anybody i don't think. >> greg, i will take the other side of that. i think oprah has lost a lot of her relevance. i think this is an outcry for attention. >> i don't know. what is green and loved by millions? >> jello. >> oprah winfrey. that's how much i care. that really is how much i care. we are the last people in the planet to be giving career advice to quite possibly the most successful talk show host on the planet. to actually question whether she can weigh in on race to me is ridiculous. i live my life according to oprah. i have a cat named sstedman and a dog named gail. and every year i give out a

picture of geraldo and a fresh roll of toilet paper. every one of our audience members gets this. by the way, the only thing i have a problem with with oprah -- i think she is great. i love her. it is the health stuff on her show. that's the stuff that is dangerous that she indulges jenni mccarthy on the vaccination stuff and suzanne somers who shoves so many hormones in her body she rattles like a medicine cabinet. she should protect her audience. her audience are women who come and are looking for positive things. they look for things that help them, longevity, to look better, and they should have somebody there that acts as a filter against the quack reand she would be protecting her audience from nuts. >> i would be a hit crit if i didn't pointh this out. oprah winfrey stalks about when she was a victim of race i'm. eric holder did it and we

called him out on it. president obama did it and we called him out on it. listen to oprah talk about being a victim of racism. >> have you ever been cawrld the n-word in your life? >> i would have to say racism for me doesn't show itself that way. i don't have it in the same way other people have it. i will tell you this, i was in zurich the other day and the store is unnamed. i said, excuse me, may i see that bag above your head? and she says to me, no, it is too expensive. and i said, no, no, no. see the black one, the one that is folded over. she said, no, no, no. you don't want to see that one. you want to see that one. that one will cost to much. you won't be able to afford thatment i said, well, no, i really did want to see that one. she refused to get it. she refused to get it. >> for me rather than being so darn thankful she lives in a country where someone who grew

up with nothing can end up a billionaire no matter what color your skin or if you are a man, woman or child doesn't matter, but there is opportunity here. shouldn't she be focusing on that rather than being told she couldn't afford a bag? >> i am a little skeptical of the story. i wish they would released the videotape because you know there is a tape in the switzerland boutique. oprah has apologized for telling the story and naming switzerland. the store keeper denied that it happened. i wasn't there. i don't know. i have been in those fancy stores when i am not dressed like this and i get treated the same way. i don't even go in there in workout clothes. i have been denied a bag before. people treat me in a snob be way and i don't think it has anything to do with skin color. they are snoby stores and they act snoby and it has nothing to do with skin color. again, there is a great movie she she has and an opportunity to talk about" the butler" and she doesn't. >> i thought the movie "the

butler" was about gerard butler from" 300" and so i was really disappointed. by the way, i get thrown out of stores all the time. >> i go in in three-piece suits and they throw me out. >> she pulled an an an neck dote. annecdote. >> can i take a shot at emmett till? tell our audience he was a kid from chicago who had gone to mississippi to visit his family. he was in a store. he made a comment about white woman. that lead to him being picked up by a punch of color racists and murdered. that was the reference they made. >> brutally murdered. >> brutally murdered to say the least. >> shot in the head and thrown into a river. >> all about making a comment about a white woman that was not that offensive. >> is it fair to relate the trayvon martin case to -- >> i don't think so. till was -- really became a

symbol for that era. i don't think that was the right example. >> thoughts? >> i don't know. there will always be a difference of opinion and it will never change. why don't we just move on? i think oprah can have fun with us by constantly saying things every day and seeing if we will cover. it i don't want mayo on my tuna fish sandwich. and then on "the five" the next day we will go, tuna fish? really, oprah? tuna fish? what is wrong with you? what is happening to you? could this hurt your brand? >> i like mayo. >> i hate tuna fish, but i love mayo. >> that's weird because you can't separate the two. >> i hate mayo and love tuna fish. >> she is not immune from criticism because she is oprah winfrey. >> of course. joy she has made some -- dash. >> she has made some -- she is brilliant in what she does, but this is a change for her. unless somebody can remind me of a time she broke out of

something like, this but i can't remember. >> you know what would be good she addressed large problems that affected everyone. every large problem in america affects minorities more than the general population. if you just talk about general problems perhaps that helps. >> but her show is successful. her oprah network was the oprah network because she never saw a difference in someone's skin color. her audience was across all racial -- >> there is an interesting thing because when president bush's book came out called "decision points" and he did an interview with her and they had a great time together. and then separately on the oprah winfrey network they did these out takes and it was one of the things that people watched repeatedly because i would always -- they watched the show on the network, yes. and then on the cable channel i would hear about it all the time because oprah winfrey said she noded to apologize to president bush for things she said about hurricane katrina. after she read the book she understood part of the law piece and she apologized in front of her whole network.

it was included in the show. and then people saw it on the own network over and over again. i think there are times when she she has made a mistake and owned up to it. >> the author she had on her book, the big controversy a million little pieces which she had to apologize for that -- oprah is so rich and so successful, i do think though, eric, she is a little hungry to get back in the like because her channel is struggling. i just wish she would use it the way that she did when she had her tv show. >> that was my point. i honestly wesh she still had the tv show. >> is anybody surprised she is talking about race like this and emmett till and trayvon martin? she also didn't mention the three kids on the bus. >> but also no one in the media asked her about it. when you look at all of these interviews she is being asked to comment on the n-word. she is asked to comment on paula deen. st's being thrown -- it is

being thrown at her. >> she is no dummy. she can answer it anyway she wants. she can say how about this? how about this in the black community? she chose not to. >> she could have mentioned that instetson of emmett till. >> there is a reason she is the national spokesperson for so many places. >> if you do want the toilet paper you have to tweet me and i will send you the toilet paper. this is my favorite thing. we have to go, next on "the five," outrage is intensifying over a planned million muslim march in washington on the anniversary of 9/11. hannity gave the organizer a piece of his mind. we have the tape next.

welcome back to "the five." the million muslim march is organizing in the country. his name 1* md rabbi alam and he tried to say they just want justice. he told sean hannity that we are standing to show america we are muslim and we denounce terrorism and we understand with the solidarity that we were villain niecessed and victimized. sean hannity challenged him and said that's not exactly what your statement said. we called care, a moderate

muslim organization for comment. they said, eric, they are not getting involved in this rally at all. they have nothing to do with it. they call him an anti-semit whack job. he was on fox and friends and this rally does seem to be a little strange. >> to be clear, he is not part of care. care does president want to be be -- care doesn't want to get involved. this is not a muslim march but it is a truther convention that will happen in dc. i watched that interview with sean and the rabbi and then gasser coming in -- jasser coming in afterwards. we had nothing to do with 9/11 and muslim radicallists flew planes into the building and eventually we all realize what is going on. >> i think dana's point is exactly right. i don't think they will pull

this off at all. it is one thing when this guy is a little bit of a whack job, a lot of a whack job. >> we did call care for comment. here is their statement and i would love for you to weigh in on it. they said no mainstream muslim organization is involved with this event. care will not be participating in anyway. do you think they had an opportunity to go a little bit further though? >> yes, they always do. they never fail to disappoint because they never go except to say -- and we should be marching to give our thanks to america because the government actually does a very good job. we just have to keep working at it, blah, blah, blah. i think this proves anybody can say they will have some sort of million march. greg can have a million munchkin march and it will be an amazing event. just promote it and get people to follow you on twitter and then you can keep your followers. >> i was having a really good day. everything was fine. i had a snack before the show

and then you have to do that. >> i know. you were eating crackers and sweet butter. >> did you shave? >> no, i didn't shave. i got up and walked home. >> wait, what? >> then i ended up in the studio. and then i found this next to me on my bed. it scared me. >> is anybody else interested in the rest of greg's day? >> i have a feeling this whole idea sounded good at the mosque. you know how when you come up with an idea at the bar you go this is going to be great and then you wake up? you weren't drunk at the mosque. you say this is a great idea. my advice to him, change the date, number one, just change the date. don't have it on september 11th. and then instead of marching try melding, fit in. here is your slogan, you can't spell assimilate without islam. >> he put together the million man march. >> cane ask you this, bob? what would happen if americans

tried to organize a million man march in saudi arabia the day of bin laden's death. in their original statement this group said we demand our first amendment rights be protected and we are calling on the u.s. government. they are in this country. they can have a march. they can build a mosque. what would happen if it were the other way around? >> it wouldn't happen. that's the point. >> first of all there is no alcohol. >> that's why it is not happening. >> they had no alcohol there and then they got on a plane and they were loaded. >> listen i think it is pretty obvious the saudis particularly have covered their relationships with the most radical of all of them. they let them continue to work because they were willing to protect the kingdom and they sent all of this money and all of these guys up to pakistan to learn how to be terrorists. the saudis are really more behind this than anybody else. >> they should hookup with

comic-con and they could get a few hundred thousand jie. that would be fun. >> that is the comic book, a bufn of mar -- a bunch of marvel heros. it will be the same type of people. >> there is probably 10,000 people if they try to pull it off. >> there won't be 10,000. there won't be 100. do i think more than 100 will show up for this million -- what do they call it? muslim march? no. >> a lot of people work. >> it is like the occupy wall street crowd may show up. they masoned out a memo because they are truthers. there is probably nonmuslims that will show up. >> the people showing up for this won't be working. september 11th -- >> it is a wednesday. >> it is a wednesday. you will be working and not go. the people who show up for that will show up for anything. >> comic-con. >> you showed up for that free toilet paper give away the other day. >> how can i turn that down? the celebrities were amazing. >> this is a little of glen

beck doing his rally during the i have a dream speech. it is as insulting as that was to me. >> still to come, a duck dynasty star is kicked out of a new york city hotel after being mistaken for a homeless man. you will love hearing the story. stay with us.

that is a horrible song. >> it is a great song. the biggest creeps on earth are those who claim to love it. their love is hate for people, point, he is a greatple. greeny with a conscience. he reports that activists in the philippines have destroyed a field of golden rice. that's rice that is genetically modified to contain vitamin a. of the three billion people who eat rice every day and are

at risk for vitamin a deficiency, this new rice prevents nearly 700,000 deaths a year and half a million kids from going blind. these activists are essentially accessory to mass murder. i say hang them by their toe nails. the creeps operate from the evil notion that everything from earth is good and everything made by man is bad. it is an idea propogated by green journalists and morose health editors and loopy celebrities who condemn vaccines. for eve media loud mouth who favored natural or man made, some poor peasant dies. a million babies won't because that ban allowed them to die from malaria. natural is just the elite way of saying i am better than you to the poor. lucky for them they had no problems getting vitamin a. their maid does the shopping. while it is cool to push fake fear about genetically modified foods, it just kills people. celebrities are really marching against progress and in service to their ego they turn a blind eye to the

suffering of others whose actual blindness they cause. >> when did this to be part of the show? >> what? >> this segment. >> since this morning. >> you didn't read my notes? >> when did they put this in? >> at like 10:35. >> would this have changed anything? you wouldn't have done any preparation. >> i can talk about it right now. >> go for it. >> i lived in the philippines. i lived there for two years. it is an interesting thing, but i don't know anything about this. here is what happened. there was a tribe in the philippines that was isolated for thousands of years and they went in and decided that a lot of the green people decided to get in touch to see if they could help them and they died off. >> that was an amazing story, bob. >> good story, bob. >> that's different from the other anecdotes you told us about your days in the philippines. >> and it relates to the topic. >> just leave me alone.

>> andrea, let's try to save this. going back to rachel carson and killing ddt, it seems like millions die when environmentalists get involved. >> it is true. or thork city mayors. even here in the big apple there was a group organizing a food drive and mayor bloomburg did not think the food was acceptable because it wasn't healthy enough. >> it had too much salt. >> so would they rather have the homeless star of? >> i believe they would. ii would love bjorn to live in the field. >> he is foreign -- for it. he is the good guy. >> live in the fields and see what happens when they get hoping gree. >> how many would die without the clean water act? >> you know how to get the green activists to be for genetically modified food? you tell them it is going to help save global warning. >> did somebody answer my

question about clean air and clean water? >> the one that richard nixon passed? the one that was amended to be improved. >> since global warming is essentially dead thanks to facts , do you feel they are moving to genetically modified foods and stuff like that? >> it is crazy. they aren vie row terrorists -- they #r* enviro terrorists and they are holding up fracking for reasons and it is bringing jobs to the area. genetically modified agriculture could save the world. honestly, the other part is almost all of our corn seed and almost all of the soy bean seeds are already genetically modified. they are a little late to the ballgame -- to this dance. but genetically modified agriculture is going to bring food to starving areas around the world. >> do you think the world would be better off without environmentalists? it would be better with agricultures. >> they can't afford it right now. they need to produce --

>> and you have to have -- i can't remember the name of the company. there was an american company figuring out how to inject protein into the wheat. that was the only thing you had to eat that day and you were getting a more balanced nutrition because of it. and it -- it is scientists who are actually helping -- and i don't -- they don't have any proof on the environmental concerns. they are worried about it. >> by the way, there are good environmentalists like bjorn. they believe in nuclear power. >> i don't believe anybody that is not for the environment. >> everybody is for the environment. i don't like radical environmentalists. they would put spikes in trees. when the loggers would saw -- >> and it is the environmentalists who uncovered the love canal and things like that that were very important. >> you know what helps improve that? economic growth and having a more prosperous country and you have more to spend on things like improving the environment.

that's what helps us. when you don't have the money to develop new, clean technologies or genetically modified foods they suffer. >> i want to know why lefties don't give credit to the nixon party. >> i do give credit for that, and then the republican party tried to take it apart piece by piece after that. >> they are doing all of these things without government sub subsidees. they are doing it because it makes sense. >> i would let that one die. >> farmers benefit from the farm bill. >> you can't blame monsanto for taking money because he was getting money from the farm bill. >> we can't blame him. >> i agree. >> let's save the people before the whales. that's all i'm saying.

>> what who you do without wales? >> i am not a big fan. >> i could make a joke, but i am not going to. >> ahead, a-rod or a rat? pretty clever. did the yankee slugger alex rodriguez have his people implicate ryan braun and even one of his own teammates in the steroid scandal that threatens his own career? our baseball expert, dana perino has the low down next.

new investigations reveal that alex rodriguez ryan braun and another fore their drug usage. this information comes to light two weeks after mlb commissioner commissioner -- just kidding bud selig suspended a-rod for 211 games costing him more than $30 million in salary. discuss. bob, why are you laughing? >> it really? >> here is the deal. rodriguez's camp which is like his management team and pr people had documents about ryan braun and team mace francisco serbelli and were involved in the eio genesis

scandal. >> it is kind of important. >> is he a snitch? >> he will be perceived as a snitch or a rat. can you imagine being in that yankee clubhouse thinking your people leaked one of your teammates was using steroids and a couple of other high-profile baseball players? it will be tough for him there and tough in the yankee stands. it will be tough for hem in baseball in -- for him in baseball in general. i hahn -- believe you have to stop put the stigma on steroids. >> it doesn't make for real athletes. they are robotics. >> again. you can't police it. most are doing it anyway. why pick out three or four guys? >> i want to know more about the details of what happened in miami from dana. >> all i know is apparently -- well, let's just say -- i do know this. >> you are turning to greg now.

>> as an older person i wanted you to comment on this. if he gets success spended for 211 games he is 38 now and he will be 40. should he pack it in now? >> that is two days in a row you have offended older people. as you media hacks pump your faces full of botox and veins full of valium, as a matter of fact i want to show you what dana perino looked like before her plastic surgery. then i think we have another picture of her getting her nails done right here. everyone uses something to get ahead. just this morning bill o'reilly, saw him in the bathroom eating a bald eagle. it keeps the skin fresh. >> can we point out he is playing during the suspension? >> he will be playing during the sis specs? -- the suspension? okay, wow. andrea, help me. >> i think she should explain

like she did with the bulls. >> i know about rodeo. >> she 38 years old. he figures he will fight like hell and do what he has to do. if he takes two years off, if he fulfills the suspension he comes back when he is -- 40 years old, if he gets out and he is a jerk to begin with. i can see his point. i can see a-rod's point. he says why am i getting the stiffest punishment of the group? he held a press conference a couple years ago. he admitted to using drugs. he cut a deal with mlb and then he did it again. and then he ended up on this list and now he is snitching even else out because he feels it is unfair to him. >> is that a political leader? >> have i a question for eric though. -- i have a question for eric though. he is suspended, but he plays ? >> because he is appealing the suspension. >> what happens when he is guilty?

then he doesn't play. that's my point. >> what happens to his stats? >> the same thing that happened to mark mcgwire. mark mcgwire will not go down as hitting the most homeruns in a year. do you think mark mcgwire should have 70 the september 2 -- the 72 home runs? >> this is bud selig's fault. after the strike no one wanted to watch baseball and he let them juice and they were firing them out of the stadium. >> how was that swing again? >> i am a terrible baseball player. he let this go on because people were interested in the game and you had the greats hitting it out of the park. he loved it. he didn't do anything about it. he allowed the a-rod press conference to go on and now we have to believe she serious? >> you know whose fault this is? president barack obama. this is his way of underminding the american pastime with the assistance of oprah winfrey. >> that's exactly right. can i just say one thing about a-rod? he is still a phenomenal

baseball player. >> and a great kisser. >> one of the best to play the game. >> phenomenal though? >> he is a phenomenal baseball player. >> if i was juicing i would be phenomenal too. >> the yankees want their title back. >> they ain't getting it for a longtime. >> you know what the new rule in baseball is? challenges. >> it will be eight hours long. >> each team geds three. gets three. >> that means baseball games could be a half hour longer. >> are they going to the booth? >> you know what i can't believe? the nationals are 14 games back. i heard you say that earlier. >> i don't think the games are long enough. >> are you kidding? >> it is like a soccer game next. one of "duck dynasty" stars is a victim of facial profiling. we'll tell you about that when we come back.

andrew has a hell of a story to tell you about. the "duck dynasty" clan wept to new york to talk about their wildly new reality show. willy robinson was here with us, and they are all big celebrities now. one person in the big apple apparently doesn't have a and e. listen to what jase was told when he was told where to find the bathroom. >> the first thing that happened to me at the hotel was i was escorted out. >> why? >> i think it was a facial profiling deal. >> are you serious? >> yes. i asked where the bathroom was and he said right this way, sir. he was very nice and he walked me outside and pointed down

the road and said good luck. so i circled back around and my wife said what happened? i said i just got i can cked out. i just got kicked out. >> he just didn't know. that's fine. >> so it was facial profiling. i don't like facial profiling. >> he was very polite. >> at least he was nice. >> that is a great way to handle an embarrassing situation like that. andrea, can you tell us what embarrassing situation happened to you? >> i can. i used to be mary madeline's intern and i was invited to a picnic at their house and they had a big trampoline and i was doing kicks and jumps and everyone was watch expig split my pants -- and i split my pants wide open. bear cheeks everywhere at a picnic. >> what were you wearing? >> that's not important. >> it was a thong. >> thanks, bob. >> anyway, it turned out okay

1k3* mary loafned me a car do began to tie around my waste. >> so to say it was a thong. >> that's the way to handle an uncomfortable situation. that's as opposed to what oprah did. she came on tv and made fun of the store owner. >> everybody has butt, right? i figured who cares? >> if you have an embarrassing situation, probably not. >> there are plenty. i was thinking about how nervous i get to go into a place to ask for a restroom if i am not a customer. especially in hotels around new york it can be embarrassing to walk in and use the restroom. i am afraid i will be kicked out. i feel like i should buy something if i will use the restroom.

>> dana, that's good. >> i want to actually talk about what happened in this segment. nobody talks about reverse profiling. they talk about profiling, but reverse profiling is when people treat you better than you should be treated based on your appearance. it happens all the time to good looking people. they can be treated better than anybody. it is encouraged by dressing for success. if you walk into a place and you look like a bum you will be treated that way. as an attractive person i feel guilty because i can walk into anywhere and i can get anything i want. i can use any bathroom in new york. sometimes they say, greg, do it right here. you don't need a bathroom. >> did you watch dale carnegie? >> i got thrown out of a

hilton hotel because i had long hair and a beard. i plugged up the toilet with paper and left. one more thing is up next.

one more thing and andrea you are up first.

>> liberal policies are coming to restaurants. one san diego restaurant owner named jay porter says not tipping should be the new policy at restaurants. at his restaurant he is putting 18% flat on all of the checks. this way the servers can focus on doing their jobs. they don't have to worry about making more money. more of this stuff. this is ridiculous. he says what he does is he collects the 18% and then he hands it out to everyone. he spreads the wealth around. he thinks the people will work harder. there is no incentive to work harder. that's ridiculous. >> tell me what you think of this. how about tipping someone in front at the beginning of the meal? >> that's actually a pretty good idea. >> you give the tip up front and most people appreciate that. dana? >> hugh hewitt who is a wonderful guy, but last night he had a great suggestion. he said that mark stein, radio host, author, thinker, writer should run for the u.s. senate

in new hampshire. mark stein replied x basically he did not shut the door on it and he said mark mentam is the idea. he has a website. if you think mark stein should put his hat in the ring for u.s. senate you can go to -- >> he is not canadian. >> you can run for senate, bob. >> as an american? >> i believe so if you are a resident, of course. >> all right. they are telling me to move on. >> great guy. >> greg, you are up. >> value added phrase. >> i don't understand this. what is valued value added mean. >> shut up with your value added. shut up! >> wow. price point. >> this is the death of the greatest rock and roller of all time and i want you to listen to his greatest song.

night use a wooden chair ♪ ♪ let's rock ♪ everybody let's rock >> there he is. the king. he mixed gospel with rock and roll. if you read keith richards' book he will see elvis presley is the single greatest influence on the rolling stones. >> my one more thing, check out sean hannity's show. he has a studio audience that will take the full hour. very, very good friend of mine. his new book, the liberty man. it is fantastic. it has two great americans. >> we need to plug that book more. we need another special. maybe an hour in the morning. it is number one now. i don't think number one is enough. >> we can always do something. >> you should have an airplane as well. >> i want an hour about my book, how about that? the book comes out in march and the paperback. >> i won't tell you what the

new one is called. don't forget cash in at 11:30 and "red eye" tomorrow night at 11:00 p.m. >> and i am on "greta" to. -- t. >> i am not on everything. >> have a fantastic weekend. thanks for watching. "special report" is next. >> so good to see you on this saturday. i'm arthel nestle. nevil. >> glad you are with us. topping the news at this hour, egypt on the brink and plunging deeper into chaos. the evolving u.s. role with its critical mideast ally and all of the latest in a live report. >> and torrential downpours are leading to devastating floods in the southeast and the fleet is not over -- and the threat is not over yet. >> and we know the government is fine, but does the internet company have regard for

privacy? what one revealed in a legal brief this week that might have you thinking twice before clicking send on that personal e-mail. >> greg, we begin with a rash of wildfires tearing through the west. it is creating the -- creating the biggest cause of concern a massive 144 square foot mile -- square mile wildfire threatening several resort communities in the idaho mountains. we go live to the los angeles bureau and that is a really, really wide area, dominic. >> it most certainly is. one of the reasons they are in the headlines is they are coming peril leslie close to -- perilously close to the famous families. the beaver creek is under evacuation orders. it is known to be bruce willis, arnold schwarzenegger and tom hanks. we haven't heard if any of these stars have come close to losing their homes, but strong winds are driving the flames into the foothills and the valley around hayley 1k3*

ketcham and this is in central idaho. 6% so far and 30 mile per hour winds and a lot of dry brush is making it a hard one to rein in. some progress on the other massive idaho fire rvetion the elk fire. that's east of boise. firecrews are close to getting it under control. it is eating up 125,000 acres so far. it is now down to the south of utah. one of the fires is a bit of a challenge for firecrews. it is fortunate there are other fires in that state that they have brought under control. more firefighters can be redirected to assist but the extra resources can't necessarily compete with nature. >> i guess the biggest problem is getting them here and the other is the terrain. it is very steep and very rugged and it is sand econ decisions. we are having a hard time getting around. the crews are having a hard

time getting around. the dozier is struggling in the sand. >> no easy job. wildfire officials saying they have 20% containment. but it still has extreme rates that have spread. >> thank you very much for that update. new bloodshed in egypt as it plunges deeper and deeper into chaos and where the government and islamists appear to be digging in for a long fight. a house of worship is becoming the latest in the battle for egypt. they were storming a mosque after a 24-hour standoff. and then rounding up hundreds of pro morsi and muslim brotherhood supporters who barricaded themselves inside. leyland vitt -- vitard has more. >> what was a protest of sorts has turned into an armed insurrection in egypt. not only is the army fighting the muslim brotherhood, but armed neighborhood watch

groups have taken up and starting the civil war in the country. >> today the brotherhood used a mosque to take hotspots --hote assembled crowd, but the army nearby. they are finding heavily armed armed -- and they are fighting their way through. they barricaded themselves inside yesterday after losing the battle of a nearby police station. meantime, the army has declared marshall law. they have orders to keep the peace and they may outlaw the brotherhood and declare it a terrorist organization. there is no reconciliation with those whose hands are covered in blood. there is no reconciliation with those who have broken the law. said the country's prime minister at a news conference about the time police arrested this man, the leader of al-qaeda's brother and a

jihadist in egypt. during an interview he told me the unrest in egypt and the middle east provided groups like his a perfect opportunity to expand. the egyptian army's attempt to get out of the problem is rounding up the leadership is a dangerous gamble. for the brotherhood it is like the multi headed snake from greet mythology. cutoff one -- greek mythology. cutoff one head and two more grow in its place. >> thanks. coming up, we will talk to retired u.s. navy captain chuck nash on just how the united states can maintain its relationship with egypt while walking a fine line in reaction to the growing unrest. >> meanwhile, de fund, health care or shutdown the government. that's the debate they have been having on capitol hill. lawmakers are failing to reach a deal on how to keep the government running. with just over a month until the october 1st shutdown deadline, it appears that both

sides agree that the president's health care overhaul is the only thing standing in the way. elizabeth is live in washington. hi, elizabeth. >> hi, air they -- hi, arthel. lawmakers may not be in washington, but they remain on the biggest issue that confronts them when they return. that's the looming federal debt crisis. failure to compromise could lead to a shutdown. americans are getting protections under this law that they didn't receive before such as discounted prescriptions and contraceptive care and the ability to come pier plans on-line and tax credits. republican efforts to delay the process is hurting americans, he said. >> but there is also a group of republicans and congress working hard to confuse people and making promises that they will shutdown the health care law or if they don't get their way they will shutdown the government. >> on the other side of the aisle, some republicans say the health care law is clearly

not working the way it is supposed to. they call on the senate to delay the implementation of the individual mandate that requires individuals to buy health insurance or pay a fine. they say they are in fear of folks feeling sticker shock or companies forced to lay on the employees. >> let's delay this health care law not just for some, but for all americans. that would be fair. that would be government working the way it is supposed to. >> lawmakers return next month. republicans need to not only resolve the dispute with democrats, they also need to find common ground since some of the gop think a government shutdown could hurt the party politically. back to you. >> thank you, elizabeth. lawmakers are taking direct aim at the nsa and allegations that the agency repeatedly violated the privacy of american citizens. national security correspondent jennifer griffin

has more from washington. >> the may 2012 internal nsa audit shows thousands of privacy violations in one year alone. in some cases the nsa was monitoring the phone records of residents of washington, d.c. whose area code is similar to that of egypt. nsa compliance director said the violations were not willful or malicious and represented a, quote, miniscule percentage of ofth sa surveillance activity during a rare conference call by the super secret spy agency. nsa whistle-blower edward snowden provided the documents months ago. nancy pelosi called the revelations extremely disturbing. democratic senator pat leahy says he plans to hold more judiciary hearings to investigate. >> the nsa has become a men -- menace. the constitutional rights of americans are under a broad assault here, the fourth amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and

seizure. the first amendment right for freedom of speech. these are under attack. >> the chairman of the house and senate intel committees continued to defend the surveillance program. quote, the majority of these compliance incidents are therefore unintentional and do not involve any inappropriate surveillance of americans. republican lawmakers their legislation would have passed if these new revelations had come to light then. greg? >> jennifer griffin live in washington, jennifer thanks. we have new information on the deadly ups plane crash in alabama. the ntsb recovering data from the cock pill voice recorder >> from the cockpit voice recorder and seconds before impact. meanwhile the ntsb just gave another update showing so far investigators have found no technical issues with the plane. the ups cargo plane crashed on wednesday. both pilots on board were killed.

america's southeast is underwater right now. flooding like this in josh george and -- in georgia making a mess of the southern states. powerful storms dumping more than four inches of rain since yesterday in some areas. the ground there is already soaked from the previous storms. it is giving the water as you can see no where to go. yet another storm developing in the gulf threatening to make things even worse. accu-weather meteorologist justin povick joining us now. >> no rest for the weary throughout the southeast and the gull coast states. of course if you go back to july we saw record amounts of rainfall around panama city and pensacola and it is raining all over. another two to four inches today. we will add to the totals as we go through ut yo the course of the day. no problems here at all, but it is the gulf coast that continues to get slammed by

drenching showers and gusty thunderstorms. our tropical feature off to the south is sending all of the moisture right up to the north. we are looking at atlanta southbound to columbus. but it is along interstate 10 and panama city and pensacola and mobile. these are spots that could see a total of 2 to 4 inches of rain. some spots could see a half a foot of rain throughout the month of july. already a very wet start to the month of august. here is the set up on sunday. more heavy rain and will likely see travel impacts at the airports. could see some major travel delays and cancellations. wet weather anticipated i-10 expi-20. a lot of rain across this region. if we go back to the start of the year, 17 inches more than what we normally see around the atlanta area and to the northwest. we cannot buy a drop here, and we are looking at more heat and conditions.

we have rain in the forecast earlier next week and that's what the doctor ordered. >> indeed it is. justin, thanks very much. here in the northeast it has been absolutely beautiful. august normally is just steamy and uncomfortable. joy it is lovely outside. we are lucky. >> it is great. >> there is a big street fair outside too. you have lots of corn in the cob. stay away from. it. >> all of those people came to see arthel. >> yeah, right. back to the news. obama administration is dealing with a crisis in egypt. up next, exploring our relationship with this key ally in that region. >> plus, got google? well, don't bother searching for any privacy there. how the issue of snooping is now extending well beyond the government. >> and new information on the death of princess diana. what scotland yard is investigating all these years later.

welcome back. it is time for a quick check of the headlines. civil war is spilling into 8 rack. into iraq. they say weapons and militants are making their way across the border. 3,000 people were killed and it includes seven soldiers at

checkpoint today. >> british police examining the credibility of new information related to the deaths of princess diana and dodi fayed. the new info is believed to be that the pair were killed by a member of the british military. no word yet on whether the case will be reopened. plus this -- >> look at that. a planned implosion taking place in california. officials were afraid that 13-story tower was on top of a fault line and could have crumbled during an earthquake. in fact, that's the hayward fault and it runs to berkeley and runs under the cal bear football stadium capacity, 63,000. >> yeah that's not a good equation to have. we don't want to think about

that. we are going back to egypt and the growing chaos continues to unfold. thousands of defiant protesters continue to take the streets tonight after a bloody standoff at a cairo mosque earlier today between supporters of mohamed morsi and security fofses. with us now is navy captain chuck nash. good to see you. >> nice to be with you, air they will. arthel. >> when can we stop the bloodshed and when might that happen? >> we have to stop being one foot on the fence and one foot off and come down a one i'd or the other. the side to come down on is the side of the army which is the side of the people. when the muslim brotherhood came in after a popular uprising that took out mubarak they said we won't run in the local elections. they lied and they did and they said we won. then they said we won't run in the regional elections and

they lied and did. and then when they took power under president morsi they started to change the constitution which passed under a popular referendum. by the time they called in the silent majority they woke up and realized what was happening, voting does not mean democracy. in this case it was one man, one vote, one time. after that it would have been impossible given the changes to the constitution to ever see anything remotely resembling democracy in egypt. a popular uprising now is greater than the one that threw out mubarak is what we are witnessing, and the army again has stepped in to maintain the state of egypt. >> and then you said it is a delicate dance for the u.s. or perhaps it is not. as you know the funding continues to flow there into egypt, but the president did can sell -- ca ncel next month's u.s. military exercises. what more should the u.s. be doing at this point?

>> just be clear in what we are saying. even the saudis, the king of saudi arabia was read on their public television stations over there to let the people know that they are against the muslim brotherhood. we should come out clearly against the muslim brotherhood. the people in egypt are clear and we are supposed to be about freedom and democracy, and yet it is russia and china who are supporting what the egyptian people see as their destiny, and we appear to be supporting the muslim brotherhood. the people over there are very confused. if we pull out the rug from underneath the army that will be confusing. we have to come down on one side or the other. i recommend we come down on the side that is going to win and on the side of the egyptian people. >> captain nash, what is it the president, our president should do in terms of drawing the hard line in the sand and saying we are on your side and

we do support the military. what should the president do or say? >> that would be a very clear statement. make a clear statement. everyone has been saying, oh this is not a coup. of course it was a coup, but a coup doesn't mean it is bad. what it did is throw out another regime that was hijacking a country just as the eye toe law did in 1979. the difference is the iranian people never got a re-do because in 1980 the iraqis attacked and they got all tied up in the iran-iraq war. in this case the egyptian people have a second bite of the apple. they have a chance to get it right. the government and the army -- the current government, the interim government is in right now. they can't go back. after this bloodshed it would be like turkey. the tu rks right now are prosecuting and have prosecuted generals that are part of a 1970coup. that's not lost on the army

generals and mansour. they realize they are all in. this is about the future of egypt and they are inexplicably linked to the future. >> and the interim prime minister is suggesting the two legally dissolve the muslim brotherhood. as you know, egypt's military dissolved it in 1954 and the bry reorganized itself as a nongovernmental agency or organization, if you will. what good would it be to legally dissolve them again. you mentioned two minutes ago they keep coming back and coming back and coming back again. >> exactly. they were involved in everything from the formation of al-qaeda to the assassination of president sidot. this is a bad group of people. it does not benefit the egyptian people to have an organization like this, but it goes all the way back decades. it is inter woven into the middle east.

but by making it illegal, especially after so many of these muslim brotherhood officials have come out publicly since the fall of mubarak, the egyptian government now knows who they are and they know where they live and they know who their friends are. >> they think it would be a good idea to disso much them legally and -- to dissolve them legally and seize their assets and property? >> i do. i think the army has to be very clear about this. straddling the fence or whatever analogy you want to make or metaphor you want to use is not going to help anybody. it will just prolong the bloodshed. somebody has to win and it will be the vast majority of the egyptian people backed by the army. they are going to take the country back. where it goes from there, we don't know. we ought to be on the side of the people and not on the side of an organization and a group of people who sponsored terrorism around the world. >> i am up against time here and i want to ask a yes or no

question, do you think president obama will come out with that hard line statement you suggested he should make soon? >> no. >> unfortunately i can't let you expound, but i asked and you gave me a straight answer. i know we will be talking about this tonight and tomorrow and many days to come here on fox newschannel. captain chuck nash, thank you for your input. >> my pleasure. do you know how much obamacare is costing you? get ready for some serious sticker shock. we are going to show you the bill.

it is the bottom of the hour and it is time for news. a devastating wildfire tearing through idaho. 1600 homes near the resort of sun valley are under mandatory evacuation orders. >> major league baseball

suspending miguel tahada from the kansas city royals for 105 games after he tested positive for banned drugs. >> and the chicago airshow is going on without the u.s. navy's blue angels or the air force thunderbirds. that's all thanks to federal budget cuts. organizers are adding new acts including british military planes. obamacare, almost $1.5 trillion over a decade. special report anchor brett beir looks at how we got here, where we are going and the fact that few, if any, people understand the affordable care act. >> the status quo on health care is simply unsustainable. >> if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. the time for talk is over. it is time to vote. >> march 2010, three days before the health care vote in congress. >> by the time the vote has taken place, not only i will

know what is in it, but you will know what is in it and everybody can evaluate it on the merits. >> you couldn't tell me what the special deals are that are in or not today. >> i just told you what was -- >> is connecticut in? >> connecticut, what are you referring to? >> $100 million for the hospital. is montana in for the asbestos program? listen this is people and this is real money. people are worried about this stuff. >> and as i said before, the final provisions will be posted for many days about of this passes. >> and then nancy pelosi's comments about the bill became infamous. >> we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy. >> reporter: the fact is when the bill made it through congress -- >> the bill passed! >> without a single republican vote and then made it to the

president's desk. very few people in washington and some experts argue no one in the nation's capital really knew what was in the mountain of pages of legal ease that had been tweaked, altered and massaged multiple times to get through congress. but the stack of pages was just the beginning of interpreting the law. >> the patient protection and affordable care act was signed into law on march 23rd, 2010 at more than 2500 pages long. it is a lot of pages. but it turns out implementing obamacare is a whole different issue. when you add up all of the rules and the regulations is that come along with implementing the law you get, take a look, nearly 18,000 pages so far. that's just so far. that's thousands of pages needed to detail exactly how this maze of thank you programs must operate from regulations on benefits to

what states have to do to comply and experts we talk to say that is so many regulations that one couldn't possibly understand all of them. >> as the months tick by, even the top democrat on the senate finance committee described the health care law implementation to the hhs secretary this way. >> i see a huge train wreck coming down. you and i discussed this many times and i don't see any results yet. >> experts on both sides say it could be a bumpy start. >> in 2013 they said it wouldn't work well. >> a lot of the process will end up falling away from an actual on-line easy user friendly experience to people filling out paper forms. when they do that you will get mistakes and people will sign to the wrong program and people paying premiums they shouldn't be paying and people not collecting premiums they should be collecting and subsidees in excess of what people are eligible for. those will be major kinks. one of the real tragedies is

taxpayers could foot the bill for a lot of the mistakes. >> over 65, 70, 80% of us have coverage nowment -- coverage now. for most of us, we don't have to do anything differently unless we want to. >> dr. 11 nichols -- len knicks kolls points to polls saying americans want it fixed. 63% of voters think the health care law needs to be changed and congress should keep at it. >> the messiness is normal and it is as american as you can get. that's what we will have the opportunity to ouch what. there will be failures and lord knows it will be well magnified and people will stacey i told you so. and they have a point, but it doesn't mean you can't fix it. we always made miss course corrections in what we have done. >> which is essentially what the president said as he continued to defend the health care law. >> there will be some glitches. no doubt about it. that's true of a car company rolling out a new car. it is true of apple rolling out the new ipad.

>> but no new car or ipad model was ever rolled out like this. as of this week there are 16 state-based health care exchanges while 34 states opted not to run their own exchanges. 27 defaulted to the federal health care changes and seven opted to work with the federal government as partners. essentially it all depends on where you live as to what you will see with health care exchanges. and experts say it is all going forward no matter what you hear about plans to scuttle it on capitol hill. >> the federal government is write august lot of checks to a lot of people and subsidizing them to health insurance. something will happen in 2014. there will be a number of millions of people signed up with a new program. but the program is going to look and feel i think a lot like medicaid plus. not like mainstream commercial insurance. >> let's look at what you can

expect when it comes to obamacare. the first big day on the obamacare time line is october 1st. open enroll meant -- enrollment begins in the health exchanges. that's when you can see all of the options for health insurance and choose coverage that meets your needs. and then comes another big date. january 1st. the cufnlg begins in -- the coverage begins in the health care exchanges. that means you are required to have insurance and face penalties if you don't. there are other big changes that day as well. medicaid will expand. preexisting conditions will be covered. there will be no yearly limits on coverage and there will be a small business tax credit. you can expect a savings on monthly premiums and out of pocket costs. now, on march 31st of 2014, open enrollment in the health insurance exchanges closes and beginning the next year 2015, enforcement of the delayed employer penalties

will begin. and by january 1st, 2018, high cost employer sponsored insurance plans begin to be taxed. the president is promising not to back down, although his administration has already backed off. the employer mandate adding another regulation to the pine. >> we did have the executive authority to do so. it doesn't go to the core of implementation. >> all sides agree it is massive and complicated. this chart shows how data flows through the system for one person's enrollment into a health care exchange. the question is will the system work? when will it work? will it flow the right way in all of these places? in washington, fox news. >> it is complicated. we'll wait and see. in a week of privacy bombshells, google shocking g mail users this week after announcing that they have no,

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new revelations showing that big brother is getting a lot bigger. in a court filing, google is giving a jolt to the g mail users saying that people sending e-mails to their accounts cannot assume they are confidential. well this so the heels of a top nsa official basically shrugging off privacy violations saying that yesterday the number of mistakes has been, quote, minute minute -- miniscule. do both the government and business leaders have contempt for privacy rights?

our fox news contributor, professor of law of political science at the university of southern california. susan, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> you know, what is interesting about this is the google lawyers and let's take mess separately, but they say there is no privacy from g mail accounts. quote, a person has no legitimate expectation of privacy. in information he voluntarily turns over to third parties. in fact, susan, that's the law, right? when you use a third party in a communication there is no privacy. so people shouldn't be surprised, should they? >> no, i mean, it is healthy for democracy. privacy matters and understanding and rights matter and the professor in me , i mean, i love these debates, but let's get serious here. you are giving information to a third party. when you put something out there to third parties you

don't control how it has been used and that's been true for as long as i have been teaching law which is a very longtime. if we are going to have this debate we should put it in the proper context. we shouldn't be gambling in casa blain caw. >> there was an audit and this is the story the last couple days, an audit of the nsa that revealed it frequent rely -- frequently violates nsa rules which is the opposite of what president obama has been saying repeatedly. in fact, take a listen. >> what you are not reading about is the government actually abusing these programs and listening in on people's phone calls or inappropriately reading people's e-mails. what you are hearing about is the pros sphect -- prospect these could be abused. part of the season is because the checks are in place. >> the audit found, and this

was leaked, but the audit found they were abusing it. does it appear that the president was either dishonest or uninformed? >> oh i would say neither. if you look at the audit and these audits are a good thing, but you have tbot like thousands of these mistakes and involve a digit. it was supposed to be 20 which is a foreign area code and it put 202, so for some period of time they were listening to you calling your friends or other people calling the washington, d.c. area code. it doesn't mean they abused the information. it doesn't mean they misused it. it means they made mistakes and they have to do a better job of it. for any of us to assume that this is going to go perfectly, i mean dianne feinstein, i don't want to dismiss. it but i am much more worried about terrorism than i am about these two 02 -- 202 area code

mess takes. >> it is true that some were accidental and unintentional, but significant intrusions according to the audit were not. and yet you have this director of compliance at the nsa who says, oh, it is miniscule. i am not so sure. the audit involved one operating unit and there are a great many of them. in that one unit there were 2,776 violations. but each violation could include thousands of americans. if you extrap plate the number of units and you do the math, we could be talking about will ins of citizens who have been spied or eavesdropped upon. that's not miniscule. >> what is spied or eavesdropped upon mean? if somebody accidentally goes through my cell service while i am driving and picks up a piece of my snap shot of my conversation which they do absolutely nothing and nothing comes of. it i mean i have to

tell you that part is the background noise of living. we need to have a serious kwan veer sayings. conversation. you have these folks who are trying to take hostage to our embassies and assault our ambassadors and we do need the tools to be able to ferret that out and the nsa is not looking to see who has a girl friend or boyfriend or who is cheating on their wives. they are trying and we need to make sure they can succeed, to protect us. >> maybe giving up a little privacy may be a small price to pay for that security. susan, always great to see you. thanks very much. >> great to see you, greg. >> and don't forget, you can read susan's syndicated column every wednesday and friday. check it out. some of the best stuff out there. >> she always has good insight

no matter what the topic. consumers, greg, are borrowing at a record pace again. coming up, what they are spending all of that money on and whether or not this is a move in the right direction. >> and how a pair of small dogs turn out to be a huge problem for one would be burglar.

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>> welcome back. a possible major shift in consummer confidence. americans are taking out awe record number of loans for cars and homes and other items. how will this trend"a impact th economy? ed isow managing partner. ed, good to see you. autoloans in particular are way up. but even as consumer debt is declining. so is this a boost to the economy. >> yeah, it is still to be seen. it is not a huge move. lower special rates, the government does that to stimulate the borrowing and not surprising at all. it is way too early to tell if

that is going to boost the economy. and car loans are not the driving force to get us out of the dismral picture today. >> what about jobs in the month of july. 58% of the jobs created were low wage industry and many of those were part- time jobs and not only that, but average hours worked and the average weekly wages feel. it is dismal and awful. >> it is shocking. you talk about the debt burden going down. people are looking at the debt. and you have to remember. we'll see the amount of debt people have go down. people are like making less money and as a result of that. people are making less money and will not go out and spen if they don't have clarity going forward. there is nothing good on the

jobs front. >> unless people misunderstand their wealth. the stock market, when they go up and the dow is up 18 percent this year alone and the value of your home goes up. tlaep percent. and that creates the wealth affect. and people think they have more wealth than they do. and that is helping to drive the consume are spending. >> without question. it is happening in my household and some with a lot of money and some not. 18 percent and the money so on, you feel better and spend extra. that stock market is helping peopline if it is in the 401 k plan. >> president obama's approval rating on the economy is scant. 71 percent think that the recent economic speeches are the same things devoid of new ideas.

ed, the bottom line, free market economies will always eventually right themselves and recover even in the face of bad economic policy; is that what is happening? >> it is starting to happen. don't kid yourself. these numbers are not acceptable. the number of jobs being created is half. and you overlay on top of that. and 93 percent of those jobs were part-time. so things are not getting better in the broad scope. people feel better in certain pockets. don't kid yourself. we need a major change on how we are addressing the economy soon. >> the last jobs report was awful and at that rate of progress, it will take an entire generation 24 plus years to get american people back to work.

we are 15 million full- time jobs away from full employment? >> yeah, we need something to change. >> ed, good to see you. >> you too. >> your favorite story of the evening. a woman's two small dogs showing their bravery scaring off a thief with a gun. the would be crook was about to barge in when they chased him away. the bad guy is still on the loosz and the doggy owner is beaming with pride. >> it is a 10-pound maltease. >> and here had his gun in the hand. >> they went let them come nor with the gun. he's growling at you. >> they are fearless dogs. >> they are confident that the

dogs are ready to protect again if they need to. >> i have two small dogs and my boydog doesn't mess around. >> it is an attack dog. >> he's cute? >> and absolutely. and the mom will say he's outer. >> all right. that is going to do it with us. we'll leave you with the happy dog story. fox report weekend. healther childers is filling in and we hope you have a great weekend. i will see you tomorrow afternoon 4 o'clock eastern time. >> and have a good weekend, guys. bye-bye. >> i collected antique nutcrackers. [ male announcer ] what's important to you?

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