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who needs a paycheck from work when staying at home might work out to be a better deal? welcome everybody. good to have you. good luck getting folks to leave home. not if a new study says welfare related benefits are topping $38,000 in several states. that doesn't mean that everyone getting welfare is lazy. but i trust a good nanny can do math. the math doesn't make it all that compelling to get off the couch. to ben stein, melissa francis, along with adam lashisty. charles, what do you make of this? >> i talked about this a long time.
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i've been blasted on comedy central for being heartless. the fact of the matter is i've seen it in my own eyes. >> medal of honor, wow. >> they figured out what we already know about you. >> all right. >> john, go ahead. you were saying. >> the bottom line is it's just, listen, we should be making it where people are urged to get off welfare instead the idea of making it comfortable. i've always said they made poverty comfortable enough not to get off of it. it's not the one where they pay for the house, food, rent, cell phone and sit at home and make a lot more money than people doing minimum wage jobs. it's simple math and it crushed generations of people. crushed them. >> it does make it tough to leave that because even if it isn't exactly the same, child care issues, it doesn't have to be. it's daunting. >> in new york, especially. you receive the benefits, of course, you're not getting taxed.
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in new york, you have to make $21 an hour in order to take home the same amount of money as if you were on all these programs. and then i mean because they're talking about a single mom with two kids, you also have to find someone to watch your kids. so it's just impossible. the real thing is then you have no incentive. how are you going to go from a total stand still of having no job at all to leaping up to a job where you make more than $21 an hour? that's impossible. >> you have to make sacrifice and transition. >> that's what people have to be incentivized to understand. the first step you take an economic hit. now you're in the system. now you work your way up the system. it's a hard sales pitch. >> whatever happened to the welfare to work program? >> welfare reform, right? in the early 1990s, you had all the great thinkers, people saying we need to change the system. we need to incentivize people to go to work. deincentivize people to stay home and collect welfare. in five years, barack obama has essentially changed that. we are now going away from --
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>> this trend has been going on through the bush administration, as well. but i guess this time -- it's a bipartisan sort of a rant here. benefits are out of control. ben stein, here's what i heard from a lot of folks who were noting fox is condemning this new trend. well, obviously for reason to dramatically hike if not double the minimum wage. what do you make of that? >> well, that's a good way to double the unemployment rate. i mean the situation is very difficult for poor people. we can just start at the beginning and say if you're a poor person, if you're a person who does not have much education or much ability to earn money, you're screwed no matter what you're doing. you're not going to live well on $38,000 a year. you're not going to live well on $21 an hour. you have to go back farther and start explaining to people they must get education. education is the capital from which people build careers, lives, homes, families.
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that somehow has to be drummed into people's heads. we don't know how to do it. we don't know how to do it. >> i don't think we should be incentvising people to do this stuff that puts them into welfare. >> having kids, starting a family -- >> that's one of the problems. you get paid more money when you have more kids. >> go ahead. >> ben was starting to make an important point which is we sort of -- >> then i guess he did. >> i'm going to finish. >> all right. >> we overgeneralize. ben said it's hard to have a good life on $38,000, especially in some of the states that we showed on screen. we're also overgeneralizing here. these programs are not a bed of roses. it's not like you sort of lounge around eating bon-bons. and the check shows up. they check up on you every day. >> what, go out and do push-ups
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every day? you get the money, dude. you have to enroll in the program. you have to participate. you have to check in, et cetera. >> oh, come on. >> if we're saying that our public policy should be to encourage people to work, to not work, i completely agree. by the way, i think most people who were on welfare would rather have a job, would rather have that good feeling that you get from working. that's absolutely what we should encourage. >> i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. i hope that is the case. what worries me is we live in a society where at least some of the major protests over the last year have been for government aid and benefits and not for jobs. >> exactly. or to skew the pay system somehow so that the kid who drops out in tenth grade can be rewarded at the expense of someone who worked their way through college. i have to disagree with adam. the way it works, it's not just one person in the house over $38,000. there are two or three brothers and a mother. soon the household income gets around $70,000, $80,000. people can buy $200 sneakers. let's talk about the real world for a minute. deincentivize. how do you do it? i know too many people who dropped out of school won't take a job at mcdonald's. they tell me flat out.
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they want to work. they want outlandish salaries. for their skill sets. >> how difficult is it to get into the programs? >> you can get a new phone almost every month. go back to the program with a new cell phone. >> fill out a few papers. that's a big thing is absurd. >> the bottom line is the benefits are very generous. they're getting more generous to adam's point. i don't think they're life sustaining. they're clearly not. i think it's very hard to breakaway when they get so generous and to your point on childcare issues, you actually can make a very good math argument not to, right? >> you can make a fantastic math argument not to. it's impossible to go from that stand still to having a job where you make more money. like everything else, it goes back to parents trying to teach kids the only way they get ahead and sustain a middle class life is to get out there and get the first job and get promoted and get the n one and work their way up. they have to accept that no matter what you can get for free, it is not as much as can you do on your own. you have to be willing to work
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hard. >> i'm sorry, ben. charles wrote a brilliant thing about this in his book and experience growing up in harlem. it does get to be a cycle, doesn't it? >> it's generational. it's a shame. it's sold as a way of caring for people when, in fact, at some point you're not caring for them because you're enabling something that -- see, the idea that people won't ever live the american dream or attempt to is heartbreaking. it is called subculture poverty. sociologists have been talking about for years. if you incentivize people to do things, they keep them in poverty. like having kids out of wedlock, they stay in poverty. >> i know. but it's not realistic we're going to break this cycle any time soon. any time you talk about changing this, what are you going to take the food out of the single moms with kids? no one is ever in favor of that. any time you want to cut back on programs -- >> rudy giuliani did. >> so if that is the case then ben stein, where are we going with this? >> we're in real trouble.
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americans are not acquiring human capital in the form of education and skill sets to use charles' very wonderful phrase that is going to build this country and build up self-esteem and self-worth of the people of this country. we have a whole culture that's not starving but it's starving for self-esteem. they resort to violence, drug addiction, premarital and extramarital sex. we have a whole culture that is just dying from lack of self-esteem and that's from lack of work. >> people like him perpetuating it, right, adam? >> i know you don't want to comment on that for me. >> i don't, indeed. stick around, we're going to take a break. in the meantime, no way to the nsa. why the lawmakers are saying the best way to defund the agency right now. the "cashin' in" crew is all over it at the bottom of the hour. one of the largest stock exchanges stopped cold for three
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live from america's news headquarters. president obama meeting top national security advisors on the escalating crisis in syria as the pentagon confirms the u.s. is preparing for a possible strike against the assad regime. today humanitarian groups are claiming nearly 400 people were killed and thousands injured in the suspected chemical weapons attack this week. last year the president said any confirmed wmd strike would provoke a u.s. response. also in the capital, tens of thousands of american s gatherig on the national mall commemorating since martin luther king jr.'s 1963 march on washington and his iconic "i have a dream" speech. he told the crowd "the journey is not complete. we can and we must do more."
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get you now back to "cavuto on business." at least the nasdaq got ahead of naming its latest flub a flash freeze. sounds so much better than flash crash. i don't know if a three-hour shut down counts as a flash or anything. charlie, i don't know. not encouraged. >> this is really bad. the biggest culprit is the securities and exchange commission which three years after the flash crash, when prices imploded in 30 seconds, i can't remember how fast and how far. they've done almost nothing about market structure and we have a market that's convoluted and makes no sense. mostly computers, they break down all the time and we actually have many markets, not just two markets. how do you know the real price of a stock. >> the more you say this, you
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wrote a book "circle of friends" the more you say this, a smaller and smaller circle. like two people. >> yeah. i will say this, though, you know, the securities and exchange commission needs to step in right now. they need to step in and do it like a blue ribbon study about our markets and whether they're working, whether they're functional and whether they're good for the small investor. you know, small investors are not engaged in this market not because of insider trading. they are worried about facebook blowing up and something like this. >> you have investors and you deal with this for a living. this is rigged against me y don't, i feel like i'm getting -- >> all of that, i've always tried to say, listen, let's just think of this in two different ways. a big difference between being an owner of a great american company and wall street and the shenanigans that go on there. flash freeze, flash crash, and insider trading. try not to let that impact you. to charlie's point, obviously,
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it does. for me, i think the problem was after the fact the nasdaq had -- they weren't contrite at all. as i said, they're like, so what. we kept it closed for three hours. the big boys knew what we were doing. we're not putting in more money. >> the arrogance. be like the captain of the "titanic" saying, yeah, but we missed the big glacier. >> a lot of us who had sources there they went radio silent halfway through and not providing information. i had the ceo of bank corp right afterwards and just switched from the nasdaq on wednesday when this happened. he said he wasn't worried, which is great for a banker. you know, you want them to be solid and calm but at the same time he received one e-mail, maybe two e-mails from the nasdaq saying, don't worry. we're working on it. it is going to be okay. no further information beyond that. they went silent to the media and then also to the people who are paying them fees.
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>> get to the issue, so many of the names that dominate nasdaq are big technology names and names you have written extensively about and the microsofts and the googles and on and on. they were kind of frozen in time as trading was all but halted. i am wondering whether it affects them, as well. interest in those stocks if there is a sense that, you know, you can't always trade them cleanly, whatever. >> i think this points up the pros and the cons of technology. technology has really lowered the barriers for all sorts of investors to be able to trade. but it doesn't, when it goes down, it really goes down. you know the pits are not going to go down like that. i think charlie is absolutely right. the sec has totally failed here. the nasdaq needs to have a fail-safe system. they, obviously, don't. they shouldn't be allowed to operate until they do. >> you know, ben stein, i do remember the days when you look at the floor of the new york stock exchange crowded with people and now tumble weeds.
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nicole and like a couple of guys. i'm just wondering, what has happened and is that the problem. have we taken the human out of it and made it so high tech that it's high problem? >> well, the only way that there would have been something like this happening if there was the crisis and lots of live human traders and they the question -- >> that happens sometimes. >> the question we have to ask, it could happen. ask us how much better off are we with the computer system? i don't know that there has been any data showing we are better and there is more liquidity and prices are lower for the investor. for the very long run, stocks are certainly a heck of a lot better than the ordinary investor. >> but does it inhibit trading? you don't see it in volume figures, but could it inhibit trading? >> listen, it could be really bad. by the way, studies all over the place on net net, which is better the humans or the
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computers. yes, they'll say more liquidity and you can trade easier so it's better. but execution and all these other factors go into what are stock prices. i will say this, though. i think the nasdaq did a great job with the big guys. they did a great job talking wall street and they did a great job with the regulators and dealt with the issue pretty well. like put a cork in it very well. they dealt very well with their big customers and list of companies. >> two e-mails. >> you got two e-mails. >> i guarantee the apple people were on the phone. >> i'm telling you, it's how in 2001 and the computer has just started taking over here. >> but it hurts the retail guy. that's who really got screwed here. the average investor sits back and says, why am i in stock? i'm not a guy that pumps stocks up, but doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out it went from 6 to 15 in a couple years. if you were out of it, you missed making a lot of money. >> we like to have people think
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at home it does take a rocket scientist. >> it actually doesn't. >> well, that's good. >> when we come back, the people working here can learn from this college sophomore in atlanta. still listening, washington? [ male announcer ] this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. [ groans ]
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>> if you want to change the world, you're at georgia tech. you can do that. if you want to build the ironman suit -- you're in georgia tech. you can do that! if you want to play theme music during your congregation speech, we're at georgia tech -- we can do that! i am doing that! >> no matter how many times i hear that, i love it. days after nick selby's epic welcome to college speech he went national, naturally talking to me first for his television interview. what was your assignment here? just to sort of help the freshman, to prepare them for what life at georgia tech was like? what did the administrators think you were going to do?
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>> well, yeah, coming in these freshman had just gone through a very exhausting but not necessarily exciting day. so, it was my job to just pump them up and get them excited about why they were here. >> a quick ps to that, i got hundreds of e-mail from folks after that, it was like neil and mini me, i don't need that. i didn't look like that. actually, he was a lot more handsome. charles, good lesson for d.c. or anyone in leadership? >> anyone in leadership, but especially in d.c. whenever someone in washington speaks, we can't, they won't, it's their fault, it's their fault. i have to tell you, they need, they should have been in the front row. everyone in washington, d.c. should have been in the front row. >> background music may have helped. >> somebody like this, he's not going to go to washington to be a politician where we would need him to pump people up. he's going to sell something useless on late night tv. >> he has no interest, when i asked him about that, no
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interest in politics but we did have an engineering major in the white house. his name was jimmy carter, but my point was that, you know, there might be something to this. what do you think? >> talk is cheap. i agree. >> oh, no, no. >> didn't you used to write speeches, young man? >> i did write a lot of speeches and that's how i know that talk is cheap. >> but you never set it to music. >> but i never set it to music. but, look this guy is an inspiring entertainer and i'd love to see him on tv and love to see him have his own show and he's a country preacher and reminds me of a very famous old-time child preacher and god bless him for his speaking abilities. says absolutely nothing about the future. >> the fact that he goes to georgia tech and he's in the engineering school, that says everything about him. >> i found this guy so incredibly annoying. if i was sitting in the audience as a freshman, i would have thrown an orange at him. >> adam, as a fellow nerd, only
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slightly older than this young man. what do you think? >> it's so funny to me that most of you criticize barack obama for giving lofty speeches, but we're celebrating this kid. i'm with charlie. >> you know, the fact he never proposed building an ironman suit, hello? that will do it. i want to thank charlie and melissa -- >> i'm a nerd and i loved that. >> you're not a nerd. up next, stocks go rocking for the year. even after getting rocked this week. time to rock with our gang safety stocks that will still [ all gasp ] oj, veggies you're cool. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! 'cause i'm re-workin' the menu, keeping her healthy and you on your toes. [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure.
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ultrasafe dogs of the dow strategy, neil. >> ben, what are you doing? >> hatteras financial way underpriced at this point. >> gentlemen, i want to thankl. rocket through that and just get going here because continues now on fox. boycotting over a thrill kill. >> 911, what is your emergency? >> he's been shot. >> tell them to hurry. >> a young australian college ballplayer gunned down allegedly for fun by thugs here in the u.s. now, some australian officials are calling for a boycott of the u.s. with violent crime on the rise, will our economy take the fall? plus, just when you thought the nsa scandal couldn't get any worse, now this. reports out the agency can snoop on three quarters of all internet traffic and those being watched not just terror suspects, but innocent americans like you and me. then, a rare moment, a
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hollywood heart throb making waves in a good way. what ashton kutcher told kids that has conservatives like ted cruz, rush limbaugh and sarah palin singing his praises. "cashin' in" starts right now. our crew this week, wain rogers, jonathan, katie and juan williams. welcome, everybody. australian chris lane was in oklahoma to have fun while playing baseball at college. they allegedly gunned him down for fun and now some australians are calling to boycott tourism to america and given the number of violent crimes that is on the rise in the u.s., wain, you say this is a very credible, real threat to our economy. >> oh, yes, eric. i mean, you have, for example, the ten most dangerous cities in the united states, you have poverty on the rise and unemployment on the rise and you have crime on the rise. now, when you have crime on the rise, you have to do something to counter that. the police tactics and things
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that the police have to do to bring the order back to it has to increase. now, not at the sacrifice of personal rights, but it has to increase in some way. one of the things, for example, juan who is on the show today said the other day that i think is very key that the civil rights workers in this country, i'm talking about the al sharptens and those kind of crazy people have to take responsibility to go in these neighborhoods and leave these neighborhoods and say something positive, not be negative all the time and i think, juan, you did a great job on that. i saw that and i think that's a terrific idea and that's what has to take place. >> juan, go ahead and respond to wayne there. weologist know, detroit, 41% poverty rate and st. louis 21%. the ten most dangerous cities in the country have the highest, most elevated poverty numbers in the country. >> yeah, poverty, unemployment, failure drops out from school and, guess what, a high percentage of minority.
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it hurts my heart. but, wayne, this is what you need. you need leadership that will come in and speak to kids who are not advancing and who are not making any progress and, instead, get involved with gang activity and with violence and this is how they can prove there is somebody in this world. that's a losing prescription. you have to believe in education. you have to believe in a job and building a resume. i don't think that this is a mystery if you want to make it in america. >> jonathan, there is -- >> even maybe a minimum wage job that would keep a young person out of trouble and focused on producing on the future. i mean, there's no question the gang has already pointed out. less likely to be this type of violent crime in a stronger economy. young people and, of course, we have a youth unemployment rate north of 18% and young people are less likely to see a future where they can achieve and achieve their goals and suck said. i tell you, it's not just here at home. look at spain, look at greece. terrible economies and a massive
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spike in not only sued, but violent crime, as well. >> let's keep it at home. one of the economic theory is the broken window theory. if you see broken windows in the area, crime will get elevated. if you fix the broken windows, there is a perception of it's safer, cleaner and businesses come back and jobs come back. >> we've seen this in washington, d.c., and when you turn it into a place that has business and people employed and has the jobs that can get people in the workplace and keep them busy, it's very important. going back to the arguments that juan has been making all week about the family and these communities, you, the statistics are there. when the family homes are broken, kids who come from single parent homes are more likely to live in poverty and more likely to commit crimes and that in return has an impact on our cities and has an impact on our prison systems and costs us money in lives and in dollars. >> go ahead, juan, if you apply to this horrific killing that happened in oklahoma, outside of
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oklahoma city where three young people shot someone for fun, how does that apply here? >> well, look, these are teenagers and in most cases, you know, no dad around, right? or parents who are not involved. i saw one father was in the courtroom and said, oh, my son couldn't have done it. wake up, dude, come on. what we have here are kids online and they're spewing hateful messages and they're not, there's no structure around it. i don't see this as much as a mystery, but these kids needed some direction and they're bored and they think it's okay to track somebody like an animal and, it's pretty sick. >> very important word juan used. they were bored because they weren't working. >> that's true. listen, you've got to get, you've got to get them involved, too. i don't care, you know, it could be community work. you could do anything. it requires some kind of leadership and some kind of responsibility if the parents are absent, we all know it's a parental problem. we all know the destruction of the family causes this.
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we know that. now, in the substitute of that. if the family is not going to be around, then you have to some kind of a leadership in that community that's going to take that. you can't have people, as i said, like jesse jackson going out and saying things like he says and not take some responsibility. he will not be responsible. that's the problem. >> eric, i mean, to that end, a crime isn't so much a real threat to the economy. i think it's a by-product of the economy. we look at these horrific crimes, this one in particular and say this is completely irrational and it's disgusting and it is. i think it happens in less strong economies where people, especially young people don't see a future where they can actually succeed, produce and achieve their goals. >> jonathan, i'm not sure. i agree with you on so many things, usually constitution, but i'm not sure crime is a by-product of a bad economy. katie pointed out, rudy giuliani came in here and cleaned up times square and the crime went down. katie, which is it?
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the dog chasing its tail. which one is the dog and which one is the tail? >> when you have a bad economy, people, obviously, aren't employed and therefore doing other things than working. i think you have to bolster areas so that people can come in and work. if you don't clean up in the areas, even in a good economy, people aren't going to want to be there. the bottom line in this case, since we're talking about teenagers here, we're not atalking about adults. teenagers under the age of 18. it starts at home. revamp areas of new york city all you want to and leaders from the civil rights era come in and talk to young people. but if you don't have parents at home, one of the young men charged with the murder in this case, the mother is in prison and the d.a. for duncan county said these kids are basically raising themselves. >> juan, just address -- let me get to juan. very quickly, the reverend al sharptons of the world, jesse jackson, they all take victory laps when things seem to be going well in the economy. how about this, shouldn't they weigh in on this type of crime? >> oh, yeah.
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i mean, to me, they should be saying, you know what, this is not the way to go. they should be out in front. they shouldn't be reacting defensively like, oh, somebody wants us to say something about this. what i say what you say, forget. they should understand that if they want credibility on larger issues with main stream america, they've got to speak out about this. and they should be speaking to these kids in real terms about here's how you can be a success in this country. here's how you can move ahead and they shouldn't be getting into this alternative. >> look at all the disincentives we put for young people like this to get hired whether it's more regulations in terms of hire young people and get them working. we make it very hard to get the opportunity -- >> we can go on and on and we have a little bit more on this later in the show. it's fantastic. coming up, just when you thought snooping couldn't get any worse. a three in four chance the nsa may be watching you on the internet. wait a minute, i thought they said this wouldn't happen.
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live from america's news headquarters. i'm arthel neville. a wildfire gaining strength and threatening thousands of homes and now the water and power supply to san francisco. california declaring a state of emergency as the growing fire forced the shut down of hydroelectric plants and threatens to contaminate the reservoir feeding the city. a california memorial held for the mother and son killed in a murder/kidnapping that gripped the nation this month. christina and ethan anderson were found in the rubble of the burned down home of james dimaggio. dimaggio allegedly killed the two and kidnapped teenager hannah anderson. fbi agents killed dimaggio after a six-day manhunt earlier this month. i'm arthel neville get you
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back in to "cashin' in." all the business news you need. well, logging on to the internet today, be careful because there's a very good chance the government may be watching you. a new report from the "wall street journal" says the nsa can snoop on up to 75% of our e-mail traffic. in addition, the nsa admits to intercepting 56,000 domestic communications per year, that's 56,000 annual assaults on the constitution. so, what's the government doing with all this intel? check out this massive spy building in bluffdale, utah. $1.5 billion to store our e-mails, our phone calls and even our clicks online. the enormous facility will burn 65 megawatts of energy and will require 1.7 million gallons of water per day to cool those massive computers. it will even have its own police force. all that adds up to taxpayer money snooping on taxpayers.
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the obama administration, while claiming to be transparent. >> there is no spying on americans. you know, we don't have a domestic spying program. >> has been anything but. let's go to jonathan first. lots of money. lots of taxpayer money, jonathan spent on snooping on the taxpayer. >> yeah, eric, this whole idea of either spying against national security, it's a false choice. despite all the monitoring going on, we missed ben gaghazi and boston bombing and iran grows and jihad around the world continues to grow. spying does not keep americans safe. it would have been like trying to win world war ii by monitoring who is going to sushi restaurants or binging on german sausages. how we win a war is by naming the enemy and taking military steps to actually defeat them. so, a proper war on state-sponsored islam would leave us free not to have to worry about government spying. >> you got the german sausage comment in,i i know you were
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working on that all morning. >> president obama promise aed this wasn't going on and to the tune of 56,000 occurrences, per year. >> i think it's an outrage because i'm big on civil liberties. i think we should be protected in terms of our privacy, but i must say, this is not so much directed at us, it's about keeping us safe. jonathan says that you can do it without it. but i'm not sure and i tell you, if there was a terrorist incident, boy, would we all be up in arms. remember, a lot of this takes place under the patriot act. >> there's been dozens'. >> you're playing both sides of that fence. either you're for this stuff or not. >> don't mistake me. if i was, you know, sorry, eric, i'm for it. you know, ultimately, i don't want to get blown up. >> okay, so, as long as you say terror in the sentence, it doesn't matter what you say. wayne, help us out here. >> no, there is no helping out, eric. a violation of the fourth
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amendment. by the way, this thing is called the foreign intelligence surveillance act. foreign intelligence surveillance. it starts with the word foreign. it doesn't say anything about domestic snooping. we've got domestic snooping going on all the time. by the way, this can happen because eric holder, you know whose veracity is comparable and eric holder can start this kind of stuff and they have a law that says special needs. you can take an exception to this and call it special needs and therefore start blanketing everybody. it is outrageous and it should stop. >> katie, i'm guessing, we're a couple months into this. there's more, we'll find out what goes on behind the scenes. >> the nsa looks like the tsa. looks like they're doing a whole lot of good, but they aren't doing a whole lot of good. we did not see a lot of results. we saw boston bombing and benghazi and what worked, which obama got rid of is waterboarding and taking prisoners and asking them
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questions. that's where we got our intelligence from. we're no longer doing that and now spying on americans, instead. the patriot act was written in a way. john sensen brenner came on and said, look, i wrote the patriot act and this is not what it is used for it has been corroborated and time to scrap it and start over. >> do we pull funding for the nsa or too important to keep in place? >> i think, what's important, eric, actually to win the war. i think politicians on both sides of the aisle have resigned that we're always going to be in this endless conflict against militant islam. by naming the enemy and taking steps to defeat them. we don't have to worry about not only them hurting us. >> wayne, you say defund it? >> i say defund it and i say do anything. but the first thing is, you have to do it legally. that is to say the supreme court who appoints these, the head of the supreme court appoints these new members of the other court. you've got to stop this because it's a violation of the fourth amendment. it's a constitutional issue and they're not paying, they're
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paying no attention to it. they're just saying for expediency sake, we'll get everybody. >> we'll leave it there. coming up, applause for ashton. not from hollywood, from conservatives. why his speech to young kids about work is getting a big thumbs up from ted cruz, sarah palin and rush limbaugh. >> i really am not familiar with ashton kutcher's all i know is that what he said is right on. all i know is that what he said is exactly what young people in this country need to hear. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts,
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>> talk about a hollywood plot twist. conservatives like rush, sarah and ted cruz all praising actor ashton kucher this week for something he told kids aboutkids work ethic at the teen choice awards. take a listen. >> and i've never had a job in my life that i was better than. i was always justh lucky to have a job and every job i had was a stepping stone to my next job. i never quit my job until i hade my next job. and so opportunities look a lot like work. >> katy, you agree, this is thee exact message kids should be hearing. >> absolutely. kids these days, right. i think the attitude is that everyone wants the next fancy iphone. everyone wants the next fancyin. thing. they don't understand that takes work to obtain these things. i've seen a lot of young people turn their nose up at these entry level jobs that do get you to your next paycheck and your
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next job. so i'm glad to see someone with such a platform talk about how hard work gets you places and opportunities, not pretending like you're entitled. l >> you make a good point. at the teen choice awards. a lot of teens are tuning in.od wayne, hollywood gets a bad rap. you're from hollywood, spend a lot of time there. are you surprised to hear ashton kucher come out in favor of jobs? >> no, i'm not. i'll tell you why. the man is making $750,000 an episode, you know. he's been preeminently successful. it's pretty easy to talk about getting jobs when you're making that kind of money and i certainly don't need rush to limbaugh to explain it to me. but let me tell you something,ct he's absolutely right. he's right on and he's an example of it because he has produced. that's what's good about it. >> he almost makes as much as>>h you made per "mash" episode, if my research is right. >> we produce add whole episode on that. >> good message, right, john? >> it is a good message.ood my experience, young people want
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to work, they want to trade and produce. they make lemonade stands. they understand work is empowering not just for money, but self-esteem. then they get to the public schools and then they teach them life owes them freebie, thatget they're guilty for wanting to pursue money. so i'm happy to see ashton, any young person, standing up for capitalism and americanism and saying yes, your life matters and you've got to get out and headache it happen. >> juan, hard work, good work ethic, good conservative values, right? >> yeah. i think they're good liberal value, too. they're good values, period. what i really loved when he said, if you want to be sexy, the sexiest thing is to beho smart, to beug thoughtful, to be generous. that's like eric bolling. >> there it is. sexy, smart and cool. katy, we'll say thank you to katy and juan williams for joining us this week.or coming up, the cast of "duck
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time for what do i need to know for next week. eri wayne, kick it off. >> in these time of when the stock market is not necessarily what you would like it to be, i'd go back to some of the solid things that are in the drug are 'cause it takes a long time, but it's solid and i like ibb, which is an index for that. >> you like this? >> captain say that i'm into t drugs oro pharmaceutical companies right now, eric. but i am bullish on cocoa. i'm not talking about the character from fame. i'm talking about the commodity itself. cocoa prices are at eight-month high. i don't like gold or oil or any commodities. but cocoa is one i'm looking ata over at capital.com. it's the hot weather in africah forcing prices up. also cold weather is cominger i here.
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buy before hot chocolate season and reap your profits later. >> buy the chocolate now so you don't have to pay a higher price later. we have to leave it there. >> don't own hershey stock, but look at cocoa. >> going to have to leave it. there. thank you very much for joining us. before f we go, "duck dynasty" n pace to become the most watcheda show in cable history. if you haven't seen it yet, you're missing a lot of fun. y a ton of fun. one liners, practical joking around. and something you don't see much on tv anymore. at the end ofth every show, the robertson family says a prayer as a proud bible clinger myself, i highly view it. you can weigh in on all the topics we discussed on twitter. let your voice be heard. i'll see you on "the five." s have a great weekend.
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♪ >> i still have a dream. it is a dream deeply rooted in the american dream. we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. [ applause ] ♪ >> 350 years ago, dr. martin luther king, junior, stood on the steps of the lincoln memorial to deliver one of the most powerful speeches in american history. "i have a dream." it was a dream that set into motion the changing of america. on that day dr. king and those who organized the march for jobs
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and freedom had no idea how many people would show up in support of their noble cause. as people from every city and every hamlet began arriving, king marveled at the size of the crowd. 250,000 people, the largest in history at that time. they came with a sense of urgency, a sense of now. now was the time to break free from the advicages of slavery and segregation. now was the time for black americans to be treated as equal citizens under the law. now was the time to embrace a dream. if he were alive today, he would be 84 years old and what kind of america would he see? what would he say about the state of race relations in america? what concerns would he have about education, about poverty, crime and other problems that we now face? just a few questions for you to ponder and think about as we look at life in america now and
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ask the question: beyond the dream, how far have we come? >> i have a dream. >> dr. martin luther king's dream and life is still making an impact. he has inspired people around the world. on the campus of moorehouse college in atlanta, students are reminded of dr. martin luther king, junior's legacy. he completed his undergraduate degree at morehouse. students there are findful of his belief that education is a vital tool to escape poverty. former president of morehouse, dr. robert franklin, talked to me about the impact of king's dream on the school's campus and the nation. >> we hope that every man of morehouse who graduates and becomes a morehouse man will take with him those virtues that we seek to instill commitment,
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to academic excellence, ethical leadership. >> you're talking about how american men can pursue the american dream, accomplish the american dream, and then live beyond that dream by serving their community. >> absolutely. service is the price we pay for the space we occupy on this earth. i think that's the foundation for rebuilding and renewing families, houses of worship, schools, and other organizations that will change the future prospects of our nation. community by community. >> today i'm going to talk to you for a few minutes about turning setbacks into comebacks with an attitude of excellence. >> taught motivational -- top motivational speaker willie jolly says he followed the example of dr. king. he says he's amazed to seat positive changes king helped make based on a dream. >> what would happen if we
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hadn't had a martin luther king as a 15-year-old student and what would have happened if martin luther king hadn't stood on the steps of the lincoln memorial and said i have a dream? you've got to have a dream. it's not a nicety. it's a necessity. >> beyond the dream, bishop t.d. jakes points out that dr. king was concerned about the soul of america. he believes it's important to follow dr. king's example of love and forgiveness in order to heal the wounds of racism, the scars of the past, and even a divided nation. >> dr. king or countless others of that ill o'clock who have donte andry extraordinary things because -- done extraordinary things because they have done things for the individual watching, doing things that are good for you. good for your children. good for your relationship. sometimes you have to recognize that forgiveness is the best path to take for long-term success.
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>> dr. king once said time is always right to do what is right. when we return, we'll talk to a veteran of the civil rights struggle, reverend jesse jackson will join us. as we go to break, juan williams gives some reflection of beyond the dream, how far have we come. >> when the king memorial opened here in washington, d.c., i had a unique opportunity to take my two sons to see the memorial and when we went down there, i felt so emotional because i could imagine my father, their grandfather, standing with us and the world that my father, their grandfather lived in is such a distance from the reality of what these two young men were seeing, that there would be a memorial on the national mall to a civil rights leader. the only man memorialized there who wasn't president of the united states and a black civil rights leader who in his day, was often vilified.
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but today we honor him with a birthday and with that monument and in so many ways through the words that are carved there in stone. we honor america and america's ideals, the ideals of our founders that we continue to aspire to reach higher to achieve the dream. yeah... try new alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heartburn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i'm feeling better already. [ male announcer ] new alka seltzer fruits chews. enjoy the relief!
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later, how far, sir, do you think we've come in pursuing and fulfilling the dream? >> two things. it was one dream, the dream unfolded, but the day he gave that speech, we were on the racial anarchy. there was not a black elected official nor juror across the whole south. from texas across up to maryland, we couldn't use a single public toilet. my high school class could not take pictures on the state capitol of south carolina. black soldier high school to sit behind lots of prisoners of war on american military bases. that's why he made the case. mr. lincoln, you made the promise. congress, you made it. we have come to that ex tents. when louisiana plays the big game, we're choosing my complexion. the second part of the dream was of a bill to make that kind of behavior legal, the civil rights
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act. then the dream was the right to vote. 18-year-olds would not vote. you couldn't vote on campus. you couldn't vote bilingually. we went to open housing and fair housing. that was another part. last dream really was about the issue of poverty. too much poverty at home and too much war abroad. that remains unfinished business today in a nation so blessed with so few and such abundance, too much poverty. >> he would at this point in time be 84 years of age and if he looked out across the landscape of america and saw 46-plus million people were still languishing in poverty, how would he address that? >> he would challenge the white house and the congress to make it a priority. we have the capacity to wipe out malnutrition.
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we can make the -- most poor people -- lyndon johnson was ingenious was helping people in appalachia. if you made that into a black community, no, they don't want to work or something, most poor people in america are not black. the white, black or brown, all americans are all of god's children. so we're capable -- people cannot make a bank loan. they see the dream because they can not live beyond day-to-day survival. so the issue of a renewed commitment i think when president obama speaks, when new commitment to constitutional rights to vote, revive the war on poverty, student loan debt
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forgiveness, something profound, structural legislation and appropriation. >> he loved this country and i know you do, too. looking ahead, where do we go from here? >> we love the country and we made it better by fighting to make it better. you couldn't have had the carolina panthers and the atlanta falcons behind the curtain we tore down. you couldn't have had the olympics in atlanta, georgia. we tore walls down. you couldn't have had the hyundai and toyota behind the curtain. so this new south, may have been and dixon come together, where we can be under one tent, no southern government can block doors. the civil rights war brought down those wars. we're a better nation. >> unfinished business that we will continue to pursue. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. bernice king, the youngest child of martin luther king joins us
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>> i have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. i have a dream today! [ applause ] >> joining us now, bernice king, the youngest child of dr. martin luther king, junior. thank you for being a part of
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this special. this is an incredible anniversary, 50 years since removed from when your father gave a famous speech called "i have a dream." we're here at the willard hotel where he actually did the finishing touches of that speech. what are your recollections of watching your father as a child and doing all the great things that he wanted to do for this country? >> well, i mean, kind of emotional knowing that you're connected with a man that has had such great impact across the world. you know, when people speak to me invariably from different places in this world, the first thing they want to bring to my attention is the "i have a dream" speech and how it has touched them and their life. it's an humbling experience to know that that's my dad. >> where have we gone astray in
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fulfilling that dream today? >> i think it still goes back to economics and spirituality, those two issues i think are very critical. and the whole fervor of materialism in a society, in our society and self-centeredness i think has taken us away. so instead of people focusing more on god first and everything else next, we've reversed those priorities. so our values and our priorities are off. daddy talked about that in '67. he foresaw most of this, you know, that if we're not careful, we're going to become such a thing oriented society and all these crises will emerge and that's what's been happening to us as a community and even as a nation. we think about my father and we think about other people dr. king -- what defined him was his ministry, his past oral
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calling, his personal commitment to christ and his kingdom. everything that he did came out of that and, you know, he was a man, but he was a man that had an extraordinary faith in god. i remember at the beginning that he was about to give up 'cause he got that call that threatened to blow up his home where my mom and my sister were. it actually happened. three days before it, he was in his kitchen at midnight and he was at the end. he told god, he said, i'm at the end of my powers. i'm just down here trying to do right. i'm just trying to do good stuff. why do i have to deal with this? this is not him. i'm paraphrasing for people today. why do i have to deal with all these evil and wicked people? why are people so mean spirited? why can't people learn to stand goodness and good works that we're trying to do?
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why is there so much hate? and he said he was weak now and he couldn't go any further. he said, i'm at the end. it was at that point of admission that he said he heard the voice of god say, martin luther king, stand up for justice. stand up for righteousness and lo, i'll be with you 'til the end. but there are people that are benefitting from the life and ultimately the sacrifice that he made. every generation is benefitting now from what happened during that movement. >> bernice king, thank you. >> thank you. >> up next, a panel discussion on "beyond the dream: how far have we come?" [ girl ] there are man-eating sharks in every ocean...
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>> joining me now to discuss the dream and now far we've come 50 years later is our panel. fox news political analyst and best selling author of the book "bamboozled." joe freeman, author of "a white man's journey through black history." and jack gains, an author. and fox news political analyst and author of "i on the prize juan williams." thank you for being here with us. this is such an important time in our history as we reflect on the 50th anniversary of the march on washington and dr. king's, i have a dream speech. juan, based on that, how far have we come in pursuing and fulfilling that dream? >> well, i don't think there is any question that my dad, i was nine years old in 1963, so my dad was at the march. he was a man who would have been as a black man living in a segregated neighborhood, his children would not have been able to attend integrated
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schools. his job opportunities would have been severely limited. he certainly could not be working at a major network as i do or writing books. so it was a wholey different world. there is just no getting away from that. it's one of those situations i think best captured by dr. king who said, we've come a long ways, but still have a ways to go. >> jack, i don't want to indulge your age, but you've experienced racism in the segregated south and went on to overcome. how? >> well, it was -- i have to attribute that to my parents, the way that we were raised. we were raised with absolute no pie i can't say in our family. my family started a little league team when we were about ten years old and 1955. and we had two young white kids that played with us. so i learned how to get along cross culturally very early in my life. and so when i did sign a
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professional baseball contract in 1962, i was able to deal with the situation that i was put into, but there was still some things that i couldn't understand. when i went to spring training the first time with boston and california, i could not stay at the hotel. i had to stay at a house about a mile away. i've seen tremendous strides made since my early childhood. >> how far have we come, especially with jack talking about in terms of reconciliation between races? >> i think -- i echo what has been said, we've come a long way and a whole lot more to go. i just think the way i look at it is white man from canada, left home when i was 17, hitchhiked all around north america and long haired hippy and all the rest of it. i just see that it's part of the human condition. we're always going to probably be dealing with biases and stereo typical thinking and just
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like anything else, every day we take a look at our own selves and say, i want to be a person that is helping the cause and not coming against it. >> you grew up in mississippi? >> i did. kelly, i am two generations short from maids and farmers. it's because of my father, the late reverend james thomas mcclowen, that my mother got to go to high school. he built the first black high school in mississippi, my town. we have a long way to go. my father worked heavily to help integrate schools in mississippi. but today we don't have a level playing field when it comes to education. today the new plantation is the prison system. we have more black males in the prison system. so with the hard work that my father did and by the way, he was assistant warden also in the prison where before my father got there, there were chain gangs. my father really believed that you could rehabilitate the criminal.
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so we have a long way to go with the inner city, with people now on welfare, more so than ever before. so we have equal opportunity. do we have equal access? >> jack gains, thank you. joe freeman, good friends of mine. thank you both. juan williams, always good to have you. angela, thank you for this panel discussion. now some closing comments. dr. martin luther king, junior, they called him a dreamer. but as he said 50 years ago, his dream was deeply rooted in the american dream. everyone has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. with this dream and with this faith, dr. king challenged us to learn to live together as brothers or die together as fools. he said, darkness cannot drive out darkness. only light can do that. hate cannot drive out hate. only love can do that. king, a man who dared to dream
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that some day we could all sit together at the table of brotherhood and become a beloved community. beyond the dream: how far have we come? i'm kelly wright. >> gregg: hello. i'm jig jig and welcome to america's news headquarters. >> arthel: i'm arthel neville. topping the news, new word from the white house on the president meeting with his natural security team reportedly considering all option in response to reports of the deadly chemical attack in syria. we'll get a live report from washington. >> gregg: and brand-new allegations of abuse coming out of the nsa scandal. this time involving workers spying on love interests. really? didn't we used to call that stalking? we've got details. >> we are today standing in the midst of that eternal flame.
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if we could all but catch a flicker from that ferocious plan of freedom, we could each light a small candle with courage and in our own voice cry out, this little light of mine. i'm gonna let it shine! >> arthel: and remembering a dream. events this weekend recalling the reverend dr. martin luther king, junior's leading the famous march on washington 50 summers ago that changed america forever. we begin with this fox news alert. the west is on fire with little sign of help from mother nature. about 200 square miles burning along the edge of california's yosemite national park. san francisco in a state of emergency with power and water supplies threatened. more than 2500 firefighters are battling the blaze, but they're not even close to bringing the so-called rim fire under control. several homes are destroyed and thousands more threatened.
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mixed relief in idaho as storms drop rainwater on a fire near sun valley. but lightning sparked new blazes. let's go to dominic dinatale. in northern california, a city is threatened and it's threatening san francisco. give us the details, dominic. >> certainly. yeah. the weather here is getting hot this afternoon and that's going to keep the fire going. they're saying this could jump out of its containment area partly due to bad weather. the big worry is what might happen in san francisco. part of the yosemite park caught fire near one of the major dams that provides 85% of the water supply to san francisco. on top of that, some of the power lines coming out of this area that also feed the city have been affected by the fire. the governor, jerry brown, saying it might disrupt both power and water supplies. they're already taking power from elsewhere on the grid because some of the power had to
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be taken off line. we're not sure how far it could go. tomorrow expecting bad weather if the winds pick up and that could send the fire in any direction. right now we've got an extra 2,000 firefighters that have been brought in today alone to fry prevent damages to property here. obviously to the utility life lines to the city of san francisco. >> arthel: and it could send the wind in so many directions. it's one of the fastest moving fires so far this season. so far, how much acreage are we talking about that's been scorched? >> we're looking at 125,000 acres. what's happened is that number hasn't really changed for the past 15, 20 hours or so. but what has happened, there were spots, interior islands they call them, inside the area that hadn't been burned. that's what the fire has been doing. we're hearing from the firefighters they're having to actively tackle those areas, as well as try and defend the homes here. take a listen. this is what one of the fire officials described the fight
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that they're facing at the moment. take a listen. >> right now we're look at shifting winds this evening, which are not going to be in our favor. that's why we moved equipment here and other areas. tonight will be a difficult fight for us. we prepped the area, putting contingency lines and have firefighters at the ready. but tonight is definitely going to be a battle. >> i got to say, we were talking early, and there was a look of sincere concern on his face. protect. we'll see how they do. updates later in the afternoon. >> arthel: not a good situation right now. let's hope for the best. thank you very much for that live report there. >> gregg: aren't the big problem -- a big problem is the weather is not cooperating with the fires. we're talk being low humidity and gusty winds, high temperatures, all making for extreme weather conditions. let's get the latest from our meteorologist, janis dean. what do you see? >> i wish i had better news. a lot of this area is
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mountsenous terrain. the firefighters are having a hard time get not guilty there because of the mountains. they didn't receive the snow pack they typically receive in the wintertime. so that has led to more dry brush and the fire has really exploded within the last 24 hours. so taking a look at the forecast, temperatures, a little bit cool, but as dominic mentioned, winds gusting from 15 to 20 to 25 miles per hour. when you have a fire this size, it's erratic. it can create its own winds. sunday not much difference here. lot of sunshine, very dry conditions and only 5% containment. we do have a tropical storm offshore in the pacific. we were hoping we would get some of the moisture to move into this region. however, it is skipping the san francisco and yosemite area. you can see the moisture filtering in to the southwest. really not getting into the area that we really needed. so ivo is the tropical storm
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offshore. all of that moisture is being pumped in, but for southern california and the southwest, and there is yosemite, it doesn't look like we'll get any help from mother nature in this region. because the moisture is coming into the southwest and areas that can't deal with so much rain in a short period of time, we're going to be dealing with flooding in this area. so flash flood watches and warnings are posted. another quick dangerous situation is we are dealing with extreme heat across the upper midwest. look at these temperatures right now. 89 in minneapolis. 96 in north platte. you factor in the humidity, what it feels like. it feels liked 5 in minneapolis. 98 in sioux falls. we could set some records here. heat advisories for all of the states here, where the heat index will feel from 95 to 105 for the next several days. around the minneapolis area, that's where we have excessive heat warning. you can see the temperatures here as we head into monday, tuesday. still very warm. really dangerous. people are urged to stay
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indoors. especially check on the elderly and your pets and keep an eye on the little ones as well. we'll keep you posted. back to you. >> gregg: all right. thanks very much. >> you bet. >> arthel: weather not a factor in dc where crowds are gathering to commemorate reverend martin luther king, junior's "i have a dream" speech. that speech was the highlight of the 1963 march on washington for jobs and freedom. the crowds retracing that march ahead of the events 50th anniversary. elizabeth prann has more now from the lincoln memorial. >> thousands are descending on the national mall this weekend to remember the original march on washington where a quarter of a million gathered to protest racial inequality and unemployment. so many of the folks here were part of the original march. they packed bus, cars and trains to get here. almost five decades ago. much of the celebrations today center around the late martin luther king, junior's iconic speech. it was highlighted in almost every aspect of the event. >> you celebrate the joy of our
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progress, the freedom from barbarism and the right to vote. we celebrate the joy of our political progress. >> while many of the speakers had huge progress, they still say more can be done. >> we american because every economic indicator shows gaping white-black disparities. we march for freedom from white supremacy. still we have work to do. none of it is easy. >> events are scheduled throughout the week. and the president planned a speech here for wednesday. arthel, back to you. >> arthel: elizabeth prann, thank you very much. >> gregg: fox news alert. we are now hearing from the white house as the president wraps up a meeting with top national security advisors on the escalating crisis in syria. u.s. warships in position now off of syria as the president reportedly considers a potential response to a suspected chemical weapons attack against civilians.
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molly henneberg is live in washington. we understand the president talked to another world leader today. who was it? >> hi, gregg. we're just getting this word in that the president had some sort of call with u.k. prime minister, david cameron, to talk about the continued violence in syria. this is just breaking now, that the two men talked about -- they expressed their grave concern, the white house says, about the reported use of chemical weapons by the syrian regime. the two men, president obama and prime minister cameron, said they would continue to consult closely about this incident, as well as, quote, possible responses by the international community. as far as the u.s.'s own response, the navy has sent a fourth warship armed with ballistic missiles into the eastern mediterranean sea, according to defense officials. chuck hagel says the pentagon has a responsibility to prepare for whatever the president decides to do. he told reporters yesterday, quote, we are always having to prepare as we give the president options, prepare our assets and
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where they are and the capability of those assets to carry out contingencies we give the president. as to the time line, i didn't subject myself to any kind of time line other than this will be dealt with. i suspect some decisions within a short amount of time. the president met with his national security team today in and a white house official says the president and his team will act, quote, very deliberately once they get the facts about what happened in syria this week. gregg? >> gregg: you know, facts are a tricky thing because you have to verify what occurred. so how is the white house going to get those facts? >> that's difficult, as you were just alluding to, in a country like syria. the white house says today in a release we just got that the u.s. intelligence community is working to, quote, ascertain what happened. there is also a united nations investigative team on the ground in syria trying to determine if chemical weapons were used. the president's team wants to hear from them. today the u.n.'s disarm a amount chief arrived to press syrian
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president assad's government to allow that investigative team to go to the site of the reported chemical attack. here is u.n. secretary general moon. >> any use of chemical weapons by anybody under any circumstances would violate international law. such a crime against humanity should result in serious consequence for them. >> president obama said reports about a chemical attack are, quote, very troublesome. gregg? >> gregg: yeah. the video seems to speak volumes. molly, thanks very much. fox news national security analyst k.t. mcfarland will be here to give us her take on the possibility of the u.s. military strike in syria in just a bit. >> arthel: new reports about woeful misconduct by the national security agency, some of the nsa employees reportedly
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spied on their love interests. officials at the agency saying it wasn't frequent and most of the incidents were self-reported. just last week the nsa admitted it had violated privacy rules. thousands of times each year. feel better? >> gregg: i don't know what that means. >> arthel: i don't know what to make of that. >> gregg: i won't comment. new details on the death of an australian baseball player in oklahoma. horrible story as investigators try to find out why he was targeted by three teen-agers. >> arthel: another horrific attack carried out by teens as well. how a world war ii veteran lost his life. that's coming up next. >> what is this world coming to anyway? raising a bunch of idiots! i mean, how would they like somebody to do that to them when they get 88 years old?
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welcome back. >> arthel: the white house releasing details on the president's meeting with his national security team to discuss reports of a possible chemical weapons attack in syria. the u.s. navy has warships in the region in case they are needed. last year the president said a confirmed chemical weapons attack would be a, quote, red line provoking a u.s. response. but are we at a point where the u.s. should intervene militarily? joining us now is fox news national security analyst, k.t. mcfarland, served as deputy assistant secretary of defense during the reagan administration. so k.t. knows a thing or two. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> arthel: let's start with this, is this the right strategy? will it get assad's attention? also, i think you believe that you get into position, but don't move just yet. >> yeah. you want to be there in case you're needed, but i don't think just by sending warships into
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the region, president assad will decide, i'm not going to use any more chemical weapons against my people, if he's been using them. i think what we need to do is to first have a couple of sort of perquisites. first, do no harm. we don't want to send boots on the ground in the middle east. we've seen how that worked out in the last two wars we've fought and it's not clear if we did send boots on the ground that it would be successful. the other thing is people have said, let's just arm the rebels. the rebels are predominantly al-qaeda. so we don't want to give them weapons that they might ultimately turn around and use against us. so first do no harm. i think the second thing that molly henneberg has reported, the president talked to the prime minister of great britain. the brits and the french, have they been way out in front of us, as have the israelis. they have all said if chemical weapons are use, we should respond with force. so whatever we do, we don't want to do it alone. we want to do it as part of a
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coalition. >> arthel: continue. >> i think the other thing to remember, though, is that whatever we do, whether it's a missile strike or whether it's bombing or whether it's covert operations or sabotage, we want to make sure that we've got a high likelihood of success. also proof that they've actually used them. the videos which are horrible to watch, as an american, you look at that and say, we've got to do something about this. other countries don't necessarily feel that way. >> arthel: why don't they feel that way? can we believe the video? the video is horrible. i got to tell you. we're showing it right now. i can never watch the monitor when the video is on. so what more do we need to see in terms of drawing us and whoever else needs to walk in lock step with the u.s. into action? >> i think there are u.n. inspector there is for the first time in a long time. there are chemicals weapons inspectors. they know what to look for. they will be looking for that. presumably there are groups we are working with on the ground. things like hair samples or
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tissue sample, blood samples, we will be able to tell from that whether chemical weapons have been used. the whole point of this is you got to be effective. i don't think the united states belongs in the middle of syria's civil war. however, if there are chemical weapons being used, particularly chemical weapons which would fall into the hands of people who would use them against us, then we may have an interest in destroying or capturing those chemical weapons. >> arthel: how do you do that? >> that's presumely what they're meeting at the white house situation room about right now. for example, you could have missile strikes. they would keep u.s. ships not over the syrian air space, but in the mediterranean, fire missiles and destroy those chemical weapons. presumably we know where they are. the israelis, for example, have said, if they see those chemical weapons moving across the border from syria into lebanon where they might be used against israel, israel reserves the right to attack those. i assume if israel says that,
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they know where they are. someone has to know where they are and potentially we could destroy them. but again, i don't think anybody is talking about boots on the ground. i sure hope not. >> arthel: it will be interesting, inspectors are there. see what happens. thanks kt. >> thanks. reinforced with scratch- resistant glass and a unibody made kevlar strong. okay google now. call my droid. the new droid ultra by motorola. when strength matters, droid does. to fly home for the big family reunion. you must be garth's father? hello. mother. mother! traveling is easy with the venture card because you can fly any airline anytime. two words. double miles! this guy can act.
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>> gregg: life and death set for the stage for ground breaking medical treatment and research. she was a poor black woman suffering from cervical cancer way back in 1951. doctors removed her cells without her permission. never asked her. those cells have become among the most useful in science, but her family never had a say in any of it until now. dr. mark siegle has the story.
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>> cells from the late henrietta are among the most widely used in labs world wide. bought and sold by the billions. they have led to cancer cures and treatments for everything from polio to parkinson's. now scientists sequenced her genome, the first cell to be mapped which will lead to many more cures. what does it feel like to have grandma's famous cells in your body? >> i feel like a super hero, like you got the healing cell. >> without her consent, scientists in baltimore beared her cells and used them after she died from cervical cancer in 1951; we got to maintain some kind of control over the information 'cause we don't know what damage it did. >> the family is thrilled with the scientific progress, but remain concerned that the grim history of experimentation on african-americans and the poor not be forgotten. this is the humble home of
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henrietta lax, where she lived a difficult life, where she raised her children. never knowing that one day her cancerous cells would change the entire scientific world and save so many lives. dr. francis collins, director of the national institutes of health and former head of the human genome project, helped broker a deal between the nih and lax family. they will not be paid, but will have some control of the cells. >> individuals should have the opportunity to decide how their own biological specimens are going to be used and what privacy protections they need. that's one principle. the other is that science advances for public benefit most quickly if data is accessible and you don't put up unnecessary barrier. >> some people feel like their soul is in these cells and their family's dna is in these cells and it's a personal thing and it gets to the questions of where
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does life begin and ends? the question is essentially we need to tell people that. she was phenomenal in her lifetime and she is phenomenal after death. >> in baltimore, maryland, dr. mark siegle, fox news. >> arthel: fascinating story. thanks, dr. siegle. stick with fox news channel for special events commemorating dr. martin luther king, junior's "i have a dream" speech. wednesday marks 50 years since he delivered one of the most famous speeches in u.s. history. we're going to take you live to the national mall in washington, that's coming up momentarily. stick right here. have 4 grams of fiber! to help support gularity! i want some... [ woman ] hop on over! [ marge ] fiber the fun way, from phillips'. ♪ [ woman ] hop on over! and now there's a new way to do the same for your dog. introducing new purina dog chow light & healthy.
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>> gregg: i'm gregg jarrett. welcome to a brand-new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> arthel: i'm arthel neville. topping the news, calls for action as more details of a reported chemical attack in syria come out. president obama meets with his national security team to decide what the u.s. should do next. >> gregg: raging wildfires out west gaining strength now. the fire growing so large, so hot, it's created its own weather pattern. we're going to go live to the burn zone. >> arthel: "consumer reports" here to tell you the best wines to enjoy before we run out of summer days and nights with friends and family. >> gregg: thousands descending on the national mall this
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weekend to remember the march on washington where a quarter million gathered to protest racial inequality and unemployment 50 years ago. doug mckelway live from the national mall. doug, you were on march today. describe the tone there. >> gregg, if the reverend dr. martin luther king was here today and given his ideal of nonviolent civil disobedience, he would have been very, very proud of what he saw today. no official crowd estimates kept, but my guess would be there are tens of thousands here, probably well over 100,000, perhaps even as many as the 250,000 that gathered here in 1963. it had almost a family air about it. i saw a lot of families here, grandfathers here with their sons who were here with their grandsons, here to apart the lessons of history and press for change for the future. perhaps none of them was more impresssive than one 94-year-old
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man here. his name was william allison andrews. he was carrying the very same sign that he carried 50 years ago imparting wisdom to the younger folks around him. and a very, very feisty way. listen up. >> it's what you people think, all of you. what are you gonna do about it? answer me! what are you gonna do about it? >> he drew a crowd around him here. evidence that a lot of people here pay very close to say what their elders were having to say and having great respect for their elders in the battles that they fought in trying to overcome the segregation and the jim crow laws of their era. i asked a young dad holding his baby what this march meant to him. listen up. >> really like thinking about my dad, he was two at the time. my mom was just being born. and just knowing that 50 years ago that they were just kids like my kids themselves.
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and just to be part of this is just a monumental thing. >> generational continuity and a great appreciation for the legacy of events in great abundance here today. >> gregg: you know, i was a kid at the time and i watched it on an old black and white tv in our living room and i remember it so well. black and white photos today compared to what's been going on, what are the differences? >> one thing i noticed look at those old television images, and especially at some of the black and white stillages from that era, you notice how people were dressed on that hot august day. most of the men, i'm not speak of the speakers, but the people in the crowd. the men were dressed in coat and ties. the women very, very elegantly dressed. that's a statement to me, that they were seeking the dignity that was deprived them through some of these laws. the other thing i noticed today is the erie similarity of the
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messages that they were preaching. that gentleman we just talked to, 94-year-old andrew allison said -- i didn't use the sound bite. i didn't want to use it, but he said, this is still a racist country. that's controversial. that is very much the subject of the debate. there are people who say that what followed after that 1963 march, especially lyndon johnson's great society did more to propel the cycle of dependentence in african-american homes, which is worse today than it was back then, in fact, it spread beyond the black inner city culture to the culture at large, across all the western states. not just united states, but western culture, european culture as well. food for thought, greg. >> gregg: doug, as always, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> arthel: news alert now. we're hearing from the white house as the president wraps up a meeting with his top national security advisors on the escalating crisis in syria.
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u.s. warships are in position as president obama reportedly considers a potential response to a suspected chemical weapons attack against civilians. bringing in molly henneberg now live in washington. so molly, the white house says that the president intends to act, quote, very deliberately when it comes to syria. do we know at this point what this means? >> the white house says the u.s. intelligence community is working to, quote, ascertain what happened in syria and president obama also is waiting to hear from a united nations team on the ground in syria investigating reports that chemical weapons were used earlier this week before he makes a decision about how the u.s. will respond. in the meantime, defense secretary chuck hagel traveling in asia told reporters yesterday, quote, the defense department has a responsibility to provide the president with options for all contingencies and that requires positioning our forces, positioning our assets to be able to carry out different options.
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whatever options the president might choose. part of that positioning, according to the officials, means the navy has sent a fourth warship armed with ballistic missiles into the eastern mediterranean sea. >> arthel: so molly, does this mean that military action is more likely? >> one former ambassador said he wouldn't be surprised if president obama eventually orders some type of military action, but does not think it will be the first response. >> secretary hagel has indicated he's moving assets into the region to give the president option. we saw exactly the same pattern six months ago and nothing happened. i think the most likely response from the lawyer who is in the white house will be to talk about indicting the assad regime and the international criminal court. that's their legalistic response to many things. i think that will have zero effect. >> the united nations disarmament chief arrived in syria today to press the syrian
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government to allow that u.n. investigative team to go to the site of the reported chemical attack. arthel? >> arthel: molly henneberg, thank you very much for that report. >> gregg: again, this week's attack is not the first report of chemical weapons used in syria. you recall back on march 19, syrian state media accused rebels of killing 31 people with rockets containing chemical materials. the rebels blamed the attack on the army. less than a week later, an activist network said two people died in an attack involving chemical weapons. april 13, at least three people killed, internet videos of the victims appearing to show symptoms consistent with exposure to nerve gas. a few weeks later, eyewitnesses said canisters containing poisonous gas dropped from a helicopter. eight people injured. one died. >> arthel: we're hearing from former vice president dick cheney as he's weighing in on some of the major scandals now
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plaguing washington. he says some cases like the irs's targeting of conservative groups are more flagrant than others. >> i plead with people, don't conflate with the irs. those are totally different problems, totally different issues. i believe there is ample evidence that the irs has indeed abused its power, that the power and authority of the irs has been used and misused to go after the opponents of the administration. no question in my mind. and it's in my mind, it ought to be -- we ought to investigate it, subpoena whoever we have to subpoena, bring them to trial and make certain that we build in the kind of safeguards that can't be used again. but it would be a terrible mistake if, because the irs has been abused by barak obama and his people, we would therefore turn and say well, we're going to get rid of the nsa program
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because it might be abused by this president. but there aren't any really good examples out there of how the nsa program has been abused. >> arthel: mr. cheney made these remarks while headlining the steam boat institute freedom conference last night in colorado. >> gregg: fox news alert now, hundreds of square miles in flames out west. only getting worse. it's called the rim fire crossing into america's jewel. yosemite national park, so big, it's even threatening san francisco's electricity. meanwhile, idaho got a little relief from the rain, but lightning sparking new blazes. dominic diany fallin the northern -- dinatale. how is it threatening san francisco? >> quite extraordinary that it is, but what's happened is the wildfire moved into yosemite park and there it's threatening the water supply to san
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francisco because that's where the city gets about 85% of its water from. as the fire traveled through the area, it threatens the pipelines. it's not just the water supply, it's also the power supply, gregg. you've got power lines that goes through there. the city is saying -- or rather the governor is saying, look, we've taken some of those lines offline and what we're going to do is take power from elsewhere on the grid to power the city in case we do lose the supply. this is covering a massive area. yet 150 miles away. total acreage we lost so far is 125,000-acres, turning out to be the 16th biggest fire california ever had and moment by moment, hour by hour, the acreage increases. that's going to turn out to be one of the biggest fires we've ever had. one of the biggest problems has been the weather. that's what is firefighters are struggling with. the winds keep picking up. >> gregg: it's incredibly fast fire.
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how much has it consumed just today? >> we've actually had the same acreage. but what the problem has been is that you have these interior islands that haven't been and fire crews have been trying to put those out. so you have the same acreage for the time being, though. the winds are going to change, you and know what? once they get faster than 10, it spreads quickly. what's that will happen in the next 12 hours or so. the winds could reach on the top of the ridges more than 40 miles per hour. that is a big risk and firefighters are saying it's definitely going to be a battle. take a listen. >> right now we're looking at a fire front, about six, seven miles wide just on this division of the fire. we're looking at fires along that line, not only againing the homes, but fighting the fire as it comes. really mother nature at its worst coming toward these firefighters. >> mother nature at its worst, which is why they bought an additional 2,000 firefighters today alone.
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a total of 4500 professionals battling the flames. they've got to protect the town where we are. they think it will come extraordinarily close. at one point, 2 1/2 miles away. the wind will shift and send it back in this direction and they are doing all they can to make sure no houses or property is lost and people stay safe. back to you. >> gregg: dominic, take care. thanks. >> arthel: gregg, police in spokane, washington arresting a suspect in the death of a world war ii veteran. investigators say the 16-year-old is one of two teens who killed 88-year-old delbert belton. surveillance video shows the suspects beating mr. beltton death in a parking lot. the teen is now being held on charges of first-degree murder and robbery. the other suspect is still on the loose. many outraged by this horrific attack. >> he didn't deserve this. it's so senseless.
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and unnecessary. not for 50 bucks. >> we're not going to tolerate that type of behavior from 16-year-olds or anyone else in this community. >> arthel: hundreds of people holding a candiesle light vigil in honor of mr. belton. he was shot in the leg during a battle in okinawa. >> gregg: update on a very disturbing story we told you about. folks in the oklahoma town where a 22-year-old christopher lane was fatally gunned down while jogging. they're holding a vigil in his memory. police say one of the teenage suspects told them they killed lane out of boredom. some have suggested his race was a factor. prosecutors said friday the evidence does not support that theory. oklahoma governor marry fallon and d.a. jason hicks are chris wall ace's guests tomorrow. check your local listings. >> arthel: fox news alert.
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good news on a story we have been following very closely. the parents of ten-year-old sarah american began saying she is officially off oxygen and breathing on her own. she is the cyst cystic fibrosis patient. her parents had to go to court to fight to get her an adult lung transplant. the day her parents posting on facebook that they are, quote, enjoying the sunshine outside with sarah. >> gregg: good story. all right. hundreds of dolphins suddenly washing up on the shores in the east coast. what caused this mysterious system of death? is there a threat to humans here? coming up. >> arthel: plus, house speaker john boehner launching a fresh attack on president obama's health care law. the details coming up next. >> these are tough times and this health care law may make them tougher still. that's why we should always
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>> arthel: police say three people are dead and two are injured after a gunman went on a shooting spree in north florida. authorities say the suspected shooter opened fire at a trucking company before targeting people at random, then the ailed gunman killed himselfg a rally against violence in egypt. human rights groups say more than 1,000 people were killed last week alone. washington national zoo welcoming a new baby panda. zoo keepers say they're waiting for the mama panda to give them a chance to check the one-day old cub's condition. >> gregg: so nice. >> gregg: wish washington would play nice like that, wouldn't you? the obama administration is launching a new promotional
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contest in hopes of drumming up support for obamacare. house speaker john boehner, though, using the chance to submit a spoof of his own, the poster references, quote, harmful mandate says 7 million people will lose their coverage. this as a serious battle over funding for obamacare grows in washington. joining us to talk about it, chuck roacha, former senior advisor to dick gephardt for president, fellow at the center for national policy, blake joins us. brad, resorting to contests and prizes, i mean, is it kind of a sign of desperation for a program that may be unraveling? i mean, what's he going to do next, give away stock in solyndra? >> listen, gregg, you can't make this up. government throwing more good money after bad, only the government can come up with a plan to spend $40 million to get
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$30,000 away. if you have to convince people that this is the greatest thing in their health care decision, something is wrong with obamacare three years after the fact. the american people by a strong majority now believe regardless of party, that they don't trust the cost of obamacare or the care of obamacare. don't take my word for it. the president has already given a pass to big business. they don't have to comply for a year. unions are against this now after they spent over $100 million to implement it. it doesn't work. it will never work. >> gregg: waiver, caveats, delays, they go on. chuck, speaker boehner's spoof here says 7 million will lose their coverage. it's actually happening. 60,000 people in california are getting their cancellation notices. in other states, we're talking about tens of thousands getting canceled. see you later. many spouses, ups, for example, are going to get kicked off their coverage. so much for the president's
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promise you'll get to keep your coverage. >> well, there were 44 million people that needed health care. we passed a law through both houses of government. we had a president sign it and we had a supreme court who upheld it. it's the law of the land. it's a big arduous program. i'll remind everybody we had these same arguments over social security years ago. it's not going to be all perfect. it's not going to have every bell and whistle, but it's a path in the right direction. >> gregg: chuck, you're right in a way, except for when you consider what the president promised. take a listen. >> we do have a long-term problem that has to do with our health care programs, medicare and medicaid. the good news is that in part because the affordable care act, obamacare, costs had actually gone down -- the health care inflation has gone down to the slowest rate that we've seen in a long time. >> gregg: chuck, did you notice he stumbled? here is why: the head did she
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in florida, state official statements, 35% increase. ohio, 41. indiana, 71. the list goes on and on. should the president promise something he can't deliver? >> yeah. but like i said, it's a large program and it's going to help a lot of americans. i could speak just from myself. my son is 22 years old. if not for the affordable health care act, he wouldn't have insurance right now. my mother has preexistingens. when you ask the american public about parts of it, they're very supportive. >> gregg: brad, here is the thing, chuck's son cannot do anything. i mean, he can pay 95 bucks in a penalty and then he can wait until he gets hit by a truck and god forbid that ever happens and we hope it never does, or gets sick, and then the next day he signs up and he's totally covered. i mean, it's a scam.
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>> it is a scam. the people are getting scammed the most are the young people. the young people now are being forced to support a plan they can't afford and they don't need. 30% unemployment amongst youth 18 to 30. the fact is, the best way to help the youth of america is give them a job. don't give them something they can't use and then make them pay a penalty for it. as you correctly pointed out, it's better for them to pay the penalty than get -- less -- >> gregg: chuck, you mentioned your son who is young. so here is what happens to young people. look at the screen here. under obamacare, age 25, california males, san francisco, 62% more. portland, oregon, 72% more. in missouri, 89% more. indiana, 91% more. nevada, 101% more. chuck, i mean, your son is just
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going to get screwed. >> well, what would happen in the old system is that he would go to the doctor. he'd go to the hospital. he would have the insurance. they would have to treat him 'cause he was at the hospital. his father, who has insurance would go there because he didn't pay. they put his deal on to my bill and i end up paying anyway. if we have more people in the pool and we spread the risk, it will cost the taxpayers less money. >> gregg: you know, here is the other thing. municipalities, brad, and cities, as well as ups and other companies, they're now laying off workers. they're putting full time workers into part-time jobs to beat the obamacare minimum. doesn't that stunt economic growth? >> there is no question about it. again, look at what the unions have said. afl-cio said you're going to destroy the 40-hour workweek. nome is it going to destroy full-time employment because as you point out, those businesses are going to cut hours, make people part-time employees, but the quality of the care they've been bargaining for in share
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insurance policies is going to evaporate. so the unions who supported this president the most made obamacare the reality it is today are the ones now seeking a carve out from it or a repeal of it. >> gregg: all right. >> the fact of the matter is, it cannot work. >> gregg: thank you both very much. thank you. >> arthel: mystery happening. a growing number of dolphins found dead in the mid-atlantic region this summer. more than 250 dolphins deaths have been reported last month. brian live in our new york city news room with details. what's happening? >> hi. it's really not just the how. it's the why that has the scientists really just shaken up. more than 250 bottlenosed dolphins have been found dead, washing along the shore along the eastern seaboard. now scientists believe it's actually a virus that's causing it. it's already the largest dolphin dieoff since 1987 when more than 740 animals died and scientists
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expect the number of deaths to rise. scenes like this are becoming an all too familiar sight. shocking beach goers down to virginia. >> normally they just swim up and down close to the shore. but all of a sudden, we just started seeing them on the beach all up and down the beach. they're dying on the beaches like that. something is very wrong. something is very wrong. i hope they find out soon. >> in july and august, 253 dead dolphins washed along the coast. 64 in new jersey. and 25 in new york. scientists performing autopsies on the dead dolphins believe a virus may be to blame. it's similar to the measles in humans. take a listen. >> dolphins are very cohesive groups of animals. they're very social with each other within their groups that they travel in. and so a lot of diseases
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probably pass between each other through that close contact. >> scientists say if you see an animal on the beach, remain at a safe distance away. there are no cases of the virus transmit to go humans, but marine mammals carry a lot of different diseases. so be careful. >> arthel: you just hate to see the dolphins dying like that. >> a sad scene. >> arthel: it is. brian, thank you very much. >> gregg: after weeks of bloody protests, unrest appears to be waning now in egypt. the government there is now trying to take steps to return life to normal. >> arthel: then we switch gears. summer is nearly over, but there is still time to relax outdoors with a nice glass of vino. >> gregg: oh, really? >> arthel: really. >> gregg: really? >> arthel: uh-huh. "consumer reports" offers their best buy wine. that's straight ahead. stick around okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.
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part of the hour, time for top of the news. president obama reportedly thinking about military option for responding to the suspected use of chemical weapons by syria. >> arthel: with unrest in egypt beginning to ease up, the government saying it will shorten the evening curfew by two hours except on fridays. >> gregg: in our nation's capitol, tens of thousands marching from the lincoln memorial to the mlk memorial in the washington monument. that march held to commemorate the 50th anniversary of reverend martin luther king's i have a dream speech.
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chances are you know somebody who is looking for a job these days. more than 4 million people out of work for six months or more. what's the impact on the american economy and how do we get these folks back on the payroll? kyle harrington joins us, founder and managing partner of harrington capital management. look, kyle, unemployment still incredibly high. the official numbers are artificial because they're worse. so many people have just given up. they're not even counted. >> you're correct, gregg. first of all, let me start with it's disheartening, this marketplace of the 11.8 million americans that are unemployed, 4.3 million of those are what's defined as long-term unemployed, which is calculated with six months or more of not having a job. so that's 36% of the people are long-term unemployed. that's one.
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two, you are correct, gregg, that the calculation -- if calculated properly, and we do do this. there are people that calculate the unemployment rate with what's called a u 6 statistic, which includes those that are part-time employed and as well those that have given up looking for a job. they have fallen off the unemployment role, so they're no longer able to collect, yet they still don't have a job. when you put all of that and include all of that in the calculation, you will find that the unemployment rate is more close to 14 or 15% in the united states. so disheartening i think is the right word. >> gregg: all right. 35% approve of the president's handling of the economy. 62% disapprove. he has lost, kyle, seven points in just the last several months. two months really.
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look at this, a fox poll finds that 71% think his recent economic speeches are just more of the same old thing, devoid of any new ideas. fair point? >> very fair point. i think the narrative has become blase, gregg. now we're talking about a five-year time frame which you can build some momentum over that time. if you look at the unemployment rate, which we've discussed and i've discussed on fox historically, we still seem to see a very languishing month to month job market with a lot of part-time jobs, or a lot of jobs that are $20 an hour or less. so our gdp growth remains very sluggish and in an effort to get this economy going, i think that there needs to be things done that seem to be not being done by the overall administration. so i think that those -- the poll numbers are starting to
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indicate the boredom. >> gregg: kyle, i looked it up. our brain room gave me the evidence. 21 new or higher taxes since president obama took office. economic growth, abysmal. below 2%. should be 5 or 6% now in a recovery, shouldn't it? >> oh, absolutely. you know, one of the things that is near and dear to my heart is as an entrepreneur, employing someone, i take very seriously. and it's pleasurable to do that. but you have to have the right laws and regulations and compliance in place and not be overly invasive in the entrepreneur's life with higher health care costs and bureaucracy. otherwise what happens is the money goes under the mattress and you kind of go deer in the headlights and don't hire new people or don't take the risk with your own capital to bring in new help to grow business. gdp growth remains sluggish. the employment marketplace is
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what it is. i think the numbers are starting to show the boredom associated with the narrative that barak obama and his administration are talking about. >> gregg: not working. july, 58% of the jobs created, low wage industries. that speaks volumes. kyle harrington, good to see you. thanks so much. >> thank you for the time. >> arthel: all righty. check this one out, gregg. pay close attention. fox files takes you inside the octagon with the women warriors of the ufc. look at this clip. i'm up close and personal with rowdy rhonda rousey. if you know ufc, you know she's a superstar. one of the fastest growing sports. check it out. >> go and try as many judo players as they want to train for me, but they won't find anything like them. >> plus files sat town with one of the most dominating women fighters and current 135-pound weight champions, rowdy rhonda
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rousey. she holds a record of 7-0 with all wins coming by arm bar in the first round. >> i'm entirely emotionless when i walk? >> she's one of the most fierce competitors that i've ever met in my life, ever in boxing or mixed martial-arts. >> arthel: i hope you can tune in for more. it's on fox files happening tomorrow night, 9 eastern on the fox news channel. >> gregg: do you love it so much that you're getting into the octagon? >> arthel: i'm thinking about it. >> gregg: oh, really? i want to be there when that happens. i'm thinking that's not going to happen. >> arthel: i have to unfortunately tell you some shocking news from someone i know personally. it's about linda ronstadt. we have details on the devastating disease the music legend says took her singing voice away. >> gregg: we'll have that and fort hood shooter nidal hasan, one step closer to the death
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the neville family wishes her well. she's definitely an ultimate singer for sure. >> gregg: she sure is. >> arthel: we have to move on and talk about this, convicted fort hood shooter nidal hasan may become the first active duty soldier to be executed in more than 50 years. but some say the death penalty is exactly what the convicted killer wants. susan estridge is a professor of law and political science at usc and a fox news contributor and susan, always good to see you. >> good to see you, art. i didn't know you had such fancy connections. >> arthel: susan, you know what? i told you we should have a drink and i've got so many great stories for you. >> i can't wait. >> arthel: we'll do it. let's talk about this hasan things. it's been a fiasco from the beginning. you know the death penalty is rare in the military. is the death penalty the right sentence? >> well, i guess there is five soldiers right now on death row in leavenworth. the military system is very
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similar to the civil system. whether it's the right sentence or not is up to that jury. those jurors will come back. they'll hear additional evidence. they'll hear from the families who have a right to punishment for a horrible tragedy. >> arthel: it's a horrible travis see. but that's what this guy wants. he wants to become a martyr. look at me. i died for the cause. i killed a bunch of people and i did it all for the cause. so it looks like the military panel is in a conundrum,
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wandering what factors you think they should consider most. >> that's the irony, because probably the one major mitigating factor, we call them, aggravating and mitigating, you weigh them, but the biggest mitigating factor here is that the guy is clearly got serious mental health issues. but do i think that they should spare his life because he's out there saying i want to die? no. i don't. the last thing we want to do is have a new rule that says that people who go out there and say i want to die automatically are exempt from the death penalty. imagine that set of incentives. >> arthel: imagine that having them dictate what happens. >> yeah, yeah. why should he have the right -- the troubling part as a lawyer looking at it is he's been assigned stand-by counsel.
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he said he wanted to represent himself. he's got a constitutional right to represent himself. i can tell you anybody watching here, don't ever represent yourself. it is a really bad idea. it's very -- hard enough to be objective, to be on your feet, to be on top of things. the penalty stage, a good lawyer, there is a lot of actions they would make. the lawyers are in this awkward position where the guy doesn't really want them there. the judge -- >> arthel: he didn't want to be there either. >> they don't want to be there 'cause they feel like they're in some sense tools being used by him in this effort to commit suicide, as it were. but we're doing our best. what i would say about this military system, as i've seen it both in this case and in the wikileaks case, is that the military is doing a fine job, really fine job in attempting to provide justice in highly emotional, highly publicized
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cases. i have no reason to think that when that jury comes back on monday, the 13 military members of that jury, you're going to hear the evidence. they're going to make a decision and that is the decision that will stand, i think. >> arthel: yeah. it's a sickening story. i want to switch gears. i want to end on a nice note with you, susan because i want you to stick around for this next segment. we're going to be talking about nice wines for the summer. it sounds good to you? you and i, we're having a dirty martini, don't forget. >> we might have the real thing. >> arthel: that's right. susan estridge, always my pleasure. >> gregg: a dirty mar teeny, art? >> arthel: yeah. >> gregg: a lovely bouquet. summer is winding down, many enjoy a nice glass of vino. it's comfortable weather. but so many of them on the market, how do we know which ones are the good ones and the bad ones? art knows. [ laughter ] she's so good on this.
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>> consumer reports several options here. the magazine association editor, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> we are excited about this. everybody likes, i like a nice glass of wine and fairly good priced wine and you brought good ones starting from whole food. >> in our tests we came out with options below $10. this is throw.65 from whole foods and sen dollars and a refreshing mix of frout flavors and balanced by wood and butter notes and goes noisily with a light hordeerv e. >> you are familiar with this? >> she knows. this is from california.
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and in new york it is throw but the chuck. >> exactly. trader joe's. and the cheapest on the list and consumer reports best buy and boat out a $34 bottle of wine. clean and citrus fruit and butter and wood notes and you can drink it on its own. >> is it? >> for folks who love red what do we have here? >> we tested sweet red woin and real wine may not love them. but if you like the sweetness, it is yellow tail sweet red brew and cost six and has intense red and black fruit and black pepper to give it complexity. and that goes great with baby back ribs or sweet saws dessert. >> you love my back, baby backs. >> and you know what, it is
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really good to so, these are good wines and inexpensive. and why are they getting it so right with the inexpensive wines. >> they are pretty consistent now and if you can't find the vintage or year we tested it isoc to buy one newer. did i get it right? thank you so much for being with us. >> and cheers. >> keep your hands off of this. >> this guy has been trying to throw me under a bus. >> you want to get the hands on this stuff. it is six seconds. harris faulkner up next with the fox report. purina dog chow. help keep him strong. dog chow strong.
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>> this is the fox report. tonight, the president wrapping up a meeting with the national security team about allegations about the red line crossed again. new information about the flood of refugees leaving that country and accusations. wabashar assad's regime is using weapons of mass destruction to attack out its own citizens. and the pentagon sending a message. the top brass suggesting that the u.s. military is ready to act on a moment's notice in syria. >> and remembering the day
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