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killers you're asked to call 1-800-call-fbi and make sure you go to gret with a wire.com and let us know what you thought about the show. we'll see you next time. when he was going through far worse. that is what i was talking about. good night. hello. i'm greg gutfeld . tgif america. it's 5:00. president obama says he will talk to us on tuesday about syria. again, it's nice of him to give us the head's up. he has truly mastered the element of non surprise. maybe that is why assad is at a cancun resort sipping a pina colada. >> i was voted in to stop wars.
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>> i would have preferred win. winning is bad because someone loses. you want to talk about real punishment for using poison gas? saddam hussein and chemical ali hanged like dolls in the wind for that. that's a hell of a message. what is our message today? where is that big stick biden was boasting about? so far the only piece we have seen is john kerry's head. the best argument for hitting syria that they launched a chemical attack. president obama says we must launch the assault. imagine how busy we would be? we would have to bomb the mtv video awards every year. we don't hit syria, we egg on iran and then inevitably vermont. it leap frogs the syrian mess
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and since putin fleeing back. after all, a half measure is no measure at all. you cannot ride half a bike. then it would be a unicycle. let's go to first shot, shall we? sound on tape, kimberly. obama was speaking in st. petersburg? florida, i believe. yeah. here he is discussing something. >> i was elected to end wars, not start them. i've spent the last four and a half years doing everything i can to reduce our reliance on military power. as a means of meeting our international obligations and protecting the american people. >> k.g., wasn't he saying it was all bush's fault? we just went through all that because it is bush's fault.
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he is the bad cop and i'm the good cop. >> it is the same old line over and over again because he is abdicating authority and responsibility. it is never his fault. he doesn't want to accept it. when you look at the facts, he has more tentacles on wars than any. the military action or involvement, et cetera. the more he pushes this and the more he pushes kerry out to action. >> i cannot believe you referred to him as an octopus. i can't believe it. let's pretend i'm a politician leaning toward yes. how would you convince me to say no? >> i don't think you need much convincing. i think the american people will do that. can i do this for a second? august 20th, 2012, mind you, this has nothing to do with president obama. any president that would say we
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need to go into syria, president obama, george bush, the next president, i would say this is not the time. it is not our war. august 20th, president obama said the red line is we start seeing a bunch of chemical weapons moved around or utilized that would change my calculus or my equation. china is not on board, great britain is not on board. the american people are not on board. he is leading from his own behind. many americans will die. iranians would attack installations. they may attack israel as well. the problem is when he is done, bashar al assad will still be president and bashar al assad will still have chemical weapons. what are we doing here? get out. >> bob, i'm a congress member leaning to say no. how would you get me to say yes? >> i'm glad you asked me that question.
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to those democrats who are anti-war, for you against this and voting against the commander in chief, that is disgraceful. this is an easy, cheap vote. it is cowardly and morally bankrupt. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. >> you were actually polite during that. >> i love to be polite with them. >> dana, some say you're a communications professional. often you say you are a communications professional. we haven't seen reef proof of that on the show. if the president came to you for advice? >> please stop being so defensive. people want to follow a leader who looks in charge and doesn't look like he is constantly worried about himself and how everybody is looking at him. lead. people could follow him. i was watching this morning in st. petersburg, florida.
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>> yeah. >> i thought his message was lopsided. they have been talking about this. they put the president out at every stop. some were pre-arranged. every time he speaks, there is less support for his position. as a communications person, you say why is that? what is happening? what are we doing? it is because they are lopsided. >> do you have a chart? >> i do have a chart. what he is doing is the opposite of what i'm advising. he should lead and say why it is necessary and then to say we can succeed and tell people how and he needs to be more precise than he has been up to now. then say it is limited. it will be limited and how we will pay for it. he slipped. he starts every conversation with how it will be limited and effective. it doesn't garner a lot of support. >> it tells assad he will be around. you say, it will be a small, short thing. it is symbolic move. assad said i'll move the
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furniture in the garage. >> he did that. he said we will go in. it's go time. oh, sorry. throttle back again. burn more fuel out there. be indecisive and lose more american support. i would not be so worried about it. he had time to move things around and shape ship. they say they can watch it. it doesn't look effective at all. >> talk about embarrassing. you have to pick out targets. this is not something you do automatical automatically. >> it is the element of surprise. >> when eric said about the g-20 session, they signed a letter. it did not say support necessarily of this effort on his part, but a strong response and it came from canada, australia, france, italy, japan, turkey, britain and the united states. i think that pretty much covers. >> noneing to join. >> what do you mean?
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>> i say go -- this is unprovoked unilateral declaration of war against a sovereign country of syria. what have they done? they have not done anything to us. have they done something to their people? perhaps. >> it is not just humanitarian or morally or ethically reason to act? >> there has to be a u.s. interest to act. >> can i point something out? if the president says congress, the house doesn't pass this and the president says we're not going to go because those morons in the house decide not to pass this, i'm on your side, president obama. i will not give him a hard time. blame it on congress. i would be thrilled for you to blame it on congress. that would be the best thing i heard in a long time. >> he basically said he is going whether they say yes or not. >> somebody asked a question if congress voted no. >> if the full congress doesn't pass this, will you go ahead
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with the strike? >> first of all, in terms of the votes and process in congress, i knew this was going to be a heavy lift. i said that on saturday when i said we will take it to congress. you know, our polling operations are pretty good. i tend to have a pretty good sense of what current popular opinion is. i understand skepticism. i think it is very important, therefore, for us to work through systematically. it is important for us to work through senators and congress members. >> that was scary. >> i don't understand the polling comment. it just smacks of -- talk about falling behind. i don't think the congress says no just like the country says
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no. i think he went to congress and wanted their support. it would be better if he has it. it he doesn't have it, too bad. >> dana, is obama, however, being thoughtful in his dithering or is he dithering in his thoughtfulness? >> i have to think about that for a while. >> it is like he is taking his time for a reason. >> it is the cart before the horse. you know what happens and the cart breaks or something like that. he has until tuesday. he will give a prime time address on tuesday. i imagine they are writing three versions of the speech. hopefully nothing happens in syria or elsewhere in one of our embassies or one of the threat streams prove true. then he has the audience if the senate votes yes and the house votes no. then the third thing, try to clean up the comments today from the national security advisor who said the president has no intention or it is not his
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intention to go forward without congress approval. one of the things that happens when the president travels overseas, it is chaotic back home in the white house. the president needs to get back and get everything together. he canceled a trip to california next week which is the right thing to do. telling everybody you have a great polling operation in the white house is not really inspires. >> that's supposed to be a secret. >> don't you get the feeling that america is getting jerked around by a bunch of people. iran or rebels or russia? >> saudis. >> we're being tricked. >> i totally think so. it is like a kite twisting in the wind with a hyper 3-year-old holding the string. who is in charge here? we're about to crash into the tree or electric wire. it sends a message of instability. i don't see how this is impressing every other country. they are emboldened by the
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indecisiveness by the president. >> let's say president obama says we're going anyway and we hit the airfields, which is what they are going for. assad is still in power. iran does something to israel or iraq. where are we? then do we have to declare war on syria? >> what do you think will happen if we don't go? it will leave every desperate in the world. we are much better off to go in there. you know who is against america on this? left wing democrats and anti-war democrats and right wing republicans. the polling is ridiculous. >> is it inaccurate? they are all inaccurate. >> i would like to get a poll. >> here is what i'm worried about. you watch russia send the ships over there. is there really going to lead to that showdown? will i be sleeping on the couch for the rest of my life?
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>> i hope not on the first. i don't really care about the second part. >> wow. >> i think that obama and putin showed some restraint and leadership abilities. okay, let's be adults about this and hopefully they will deescalate. >> all right. more to come on syria. next, one former congress member thinks obama should face impeachment if he authorizes a strike without congressional approval. one former congress member? that's enough for me. next. any last requests mr. baldwin? do you mind grabbing my phone and opening the capital one purchase eraser? i need to redeem some venture miles before my demise. okay. it's easy to erase any recent travel expense i want. just pick that flight right there. mmm hmmm. give it a few taps, and...it's taken care of. this is pretty easy, and i see it works on hotels too.
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♪ the waiting is the hardest part ♪ >> welcome back to "the five." what would happen if president obama authorizes a strike on syria if congress votes against it? former congress member dennis kucinich. >> if the congress votes against it and the president goes forward with the war, we are looking at a constitutional crisis, the likes we have not seen in the united states where a president would act in
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defiance as a direct representative of the people. >> okay, bob, does that move you in a good way? and not toward me? >> i do not know who wrote the opening, but i did not know impeach. that is classic. the answer is -- >> he said that on "studio b" this afternoon. >> he wrote a piece for huff. >> that is my point. if republicans in the house, which is why i have the problem with democrats and obama. if this was bush putting it forward, they would vote for it. i would understand that. for the democrats to abandon the president, this is disbelief. >> in the a block, i said it is democrats or republicans. >> you don't vote in the house or senate unless you are ready to announce your candidacy. >> do you think the opposite is true, bob? if it were senator mccain that is president now and then senator obama would vote against
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it? i think if you are going to point out hypocracy. >> where is the anti-w anti-war hollywood left? susan sarandon and tim robbins? they went through the mess. they dinged bush. they are quieter than at a veterans march. >> wouldn't they not want an attack on syria? >> maybe if they owed him money, then they would say i don't want to pay. perplexing. >> they are trying to give obama as much coverage as they can. i would, too. they clearly don't want to see the operation take place. i would keep my mouth shut. >> they will wait until they think there is a heroic moment that is leaked and they will do a movie about it. >> yes. >> does anyone think -- you know
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what 9/11 this coming week? >> benghazi anniversary. >> it is bashar al assad's birthday. >> good birthday present. >> light it up. >> literally, what i said about the congress, how can you morally justify your position on this? how can you look at this and know we have the information. >> you cannot morally justify killing innocent people without knowing what is going on on the ground in syria, bob. >> i think we know a lot on the ground. >> what about the video yesterday that surfaced of the rebels that are supposed to be helping and executing prisoners? >> i said yesterday, 1,200 gangs running around over there. the biggest -- >> a hesitation on the pedal. he did not do it when he should have. now he is trying to justify it. he is trying to back fill it. >> how can you not see the moral
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obligation to go kill people? >> the moral obligation is to not have chemical weapons. >> can i take it one step further? can we do that in north korea? is it only chemical weapons? how about biological weapons and i i, ntuing hundreds of thousands of people. >> what. >> i don't think syria -- is syria part of that treaty? >> look, that's a good answer right there. >> we said this before. it is the reverse domino theory. if you feel that way, go after those other countries. this is not about syria. it is about iran. it may be about russia. why are we pretending it is about syria. hit the news in iran. be done with it. they are the ones threatening
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us. they are the ones saying they are going to attack the obama family. these are the guys that are most terrified. go after them. >> the story that hasn't been told and we don't know enough about and the journalists will be able to get more information. what kind of intel did we have before the chemical weapons were used? why in the two years leading up to the use of the chemical weapons did we not have some covert operation to take some of them out? i think we need -- the american people are paying for really good men and women who are working hard in the intel community, but how did we miss this? >> we don't know if we did or didn't. my guess is the covert operations is, he has a lot of them. >> you know it is like throwing a surprise party. oh, michelle, don't come home until after 7:00 because i'm setting up a surprise party for you. >> a little bit of equipment
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failure. i have a nugget for you. a human nugget. listen to hume on rand paul. >> i suspect rand paul doesn't know jack about the syrian rebels. i'm not sure any of us. john mccain who has been over there, at least, thinks he knows them. he says they are not a bad bought. that is the testimony of somebody who has been there. >> what brit says they don't know jack. there is a good chance that john mccain, although he has been there, doesn't know jack. he took pictures with guys who are alleged kidnappers. it is not don't ever go there. don't go there now. if it becomes our war -- >> it is like the bloods and the
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crips. that is who john mccain is talking to. the free syrian army. b brit is right. what is in trouble is who convinced to obama to go to congress in the first place. screw them. >> it is like a dog eating a roll of quarters. who wants to sift through that pile? >> there are people. dana. >> i'm thinking of the jasper visual. >> i knew it. that's enough on that visual. >> what if he said something really expensive? a wedding ring? >> all right. gutfeld, stand down. directly ahead, my favorite topic. football. the nfl season kicked off last night, but a lot of people are talking about college football which came back last week. should those athletes get paid like the pros? that debate is next on "the five." ♪
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♪ from the east coast ♪ ♪ to the west coast down the dixie highway ♪ >> welcome back. texas a & m quarterback johnny manziel may have broken the ncaa rules with getting paid for autographs. pretty boy tom brady had this to say about the qb. if you are a turd, it will come back to haunt you. then, being hated is not a bad thing. i don't know how i really felt about johnny manziel, but he is quickly becoming my favorite college football player.
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we debate if the college athletes receive money for the massive bank rolls they get for their institutions. >> i think college football players should be paid. look at the money they make for the universities. millions of dollars. they are at the top of their form as athletes. they are one tackle away from losing everything. they may as well get cash. they hope to get into the nfl and they get hurt. >> what is the point of college? i'm throwing it out there. they are supposed to get an education. >> you are not that naive? >> i love football. i watch it as much as anybody who loves the sport. what i'm telling you, they may have let them be drafted out of high school if it is all about money. >> they do it with baseball. >> and kimberly says, it is never that way. if you want to pay someone -- >> can he drop out from college and go to the pros now? >> sure.
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>> okay. i think let the market decide. if he thinks he would be able to make the kind of money and association wants him or the nfl or whatever, think of it as an internship. do you pay interns? it is the same thing. free market football. i like it. >> greg, look at these numbers. the numbers of college football programs providing for the schools. finance a lot of the education things going on in those schools. texas, $103 million. michigan, $85 million. texas a&m, $24 million. >> i say pay them and exempt them from all classes. why keep up with the charade. treat them like a minor league team. the story is not this stuff. it is the title iv stuff. you have to keep up with the
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gender ratio. you may lose a baseball team, but gain an equestrian team. i like watching girls on horses. i did train as a jockey. >> i am out of here. >> bob, what about the people who say universities should be taxed? >> if you pay athletes and bring in this money. >> not these big name schools, but a lot have financial issues. how long do you have to be in college before being eligible? one or two years? >> i believe two. >> i think dana makes a good point. drop out and go into the nfl. there are people who want to get an education. >> thank you, bob. >> they are still one hit away from being out of football. they need to have some ability to cash in. >> i have the same issue. same with driving race cars or
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coming up in boxing with great reward, you often take risks. i'm all for them getting an education so they have something to fall back on. too many nfl players have no resources and are in financial and physical stress when they get out. >> students and athletes in general take harder hits to the head in the classrooms by their left wing professors. >> here we go. everybody. all the schools are getting hit in the head. >> dana just got back from the congo this week. next, an up close look at h her inspirational trip. don't miss it. ♪
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♪ let my love open the door to your heart ♪ many of you know, i had the fortune of traveling to the congo to be a small part of mission and charity. my husband and i got back on saturday. the mission provided free sur surgical care. we have something to share with you. >> getting ready to leave on the trip. having a scratch and shake. we are on the mission to the congo. we flew from new york to frankfurt, germany and then gabon where the plane refueled and then to congo.
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shortly after we arrived, peter and i were greeted by the founders. they launched their faith-based organization in 1978 to help the forgotten poor. >> i want to welcome her. >> over the past 35 years, mercy ships has visited 575 ports in 72 nations. it is the first time to the congo and they will be there for the next ten months. most people there do not have access to basic medical care and many have not ever seen a doctor. on board the floating hospital, i met the man who steers the ship. captain traithwaite. i also met buck. the training and drill exercise
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dummy. i got a tour from the head chef. he and his staff serve anywhere from 1,200 to 1,700 meals a day. when i get home, and i gain weight. >> you can call it mercy hips instead of mercy ships. >> the entire crew, including the doctors and nurses, are all volunteers. nearly half of them from the united states. you never know who you might meet. including the security team of these six. believe me. the ship's in good hands. on patient screening day, more than 7,000 people lined up to get care. all patiently waiting to be seen. ali helps determine whether
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doctors will be able to treat them. >> hi. do you want to come with me? okay. >> she told me about the joy she feels when she knows she will be sending someone through who mercy ships will be able to help. >> there is nothing compares to that. when you see a kid or patient come up who you know we are going to be able to help. so being the first one and being able to say yes, it's saying yes to everything. >> perhaps the hardest part of her job is when she has to inform others there may not be anything mercy ships can do for them. >> unfortunately, the problem is caused by a problem that is in his brain. so because of that, it is not something that a surgery will be able to correct. >> over the next ten months, thousands will go through surgery to remove tumors or have
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cleft lip repairs or orthopedic surgeries. >> if you show them quickly on and show them that face in the mirror, they are moved that the face that always caused them shame, they can see it better with the bandages on. >> there are so many angels aboard the africa mercy like chief medical officer or the finance director john waled to make a few. i marvelled at how they are so devoted. a lot of people asked me what was my impression of the trip. it was a great reminder that kindness is at the heart of humanity. we can learn a lot from the people who make mercy ship's missions possible. >> you get that, greg? mission possible. >> that was clever. >> my husband filmed all of that. i think he did a great job.
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amateur. we just bought a camcorder. >> it was like "60 minutes." >> you said the thing that impressed you the most is the kindness. i could not put it better. what was the thing that struck you the most about the people who lined up to get this care? >> well, the congo does fairly well because it is a port that is isps labelled. you can ship international goods there and they have security. they work hard to keep that. there are most jobs there than most west africa. there were 7,000 people that lined up to come through the line. mercy ships has been there for three weeks. they have done promotion and pr up. some of the people around have never seen a doctor and they don't have the medical capacity to handle it. one doctor you saw, gary parker, is a local doctor. one of the things mercy ships is trying to do is build up that capacity so a local doctor can
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come and learn from a surgeon to try to make sure they catch the problem early and just learn the techniques they learned on mercy ships over 27 years. >> dana, is there a place where people want to donate? >> i think this is really important. it is surprising about the people who work on the ship. there are 391 people there. they raise all of their own funds. money from churches andey. friends. they raise it on their own. if you go to mercyships.org. if you do give any money, it is really well spent. >> go ahead. >> i want to know if there are situations where they cannot help a child right there, but maybe the child could be brought to the united states. do they have a fund for that? >> not necessarily. one baby was underweight. they have a feeding program. off ship, an eye and dental place. they will see 50 patients in a
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day in the dental and eye area. everyone is a volunteer. >> eric, let's say you and i put $1,000? >> no, you don't have to do that. >> we will. >> the week you were gone, i was hanging out in midtown. i saw somebody familiar. i thought i knew this person. i took a picture of the person. interesting. took another picture. then if you can close in a bit. if you just look there. you can see the date of the newspaper. august 29th. >> my god. >> the week you were in congo. >> it was a ruse. >> all a ruse. >> she was here the whole time? >> this never happened. >> oh, yes. i went. i would go again. >> what are you doing? >> bob's next. a topic some of us know at the table is internet addiction. you can be checked into the hospital to be digitally
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detoxed? not on the mercy ship. details next. ♪
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test test ♪ many of you struggled with addition in life. there is one thing i managed not to get addicted to is internet. not the same like my cohost. there is a detox program for digital addicts. eric, you want to sign up? >> why me first? i'm pretty addicted to the blackberry and iphone. twitter and getting back and forth with you on e-mails. >> you are addicted to media? >> you say you are not addicted to internet. we may have to dig deeper.
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>> somebody throw a flag on that. give me a break. >> you know, maybe some days. >> dana, what about you? listen, married one, you want to shut up for a second here? >> addicted to marriage. that could also be called commitment. >> commitment, what's that? >> exactly. >> that could be called romantic. >> eric was romantic yesterday. you missed it. dana. >> one of the neuro surgeons was telling me about phone use. it actually is altering the chemistry in our brain. every time you are decreasing the dopamine levels. i'm learning how to crochet. >> you have no dopamine anyway. >> they have an app for crochet. >> greg -- >> if this is your problem, be
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happy you are not huffing computer duster. maybe this is why we are a nation of ambivalent people. have you talked to anybody outside of the studio about syria? they don't know what's going on. it is fashion week right now in new york. that is what is going on. fashion week. not syria. >> you can talk about both. >> oh, sure you have. >> i bet you have been down there. >> i could give you all one piece of advice. try one day a week and don't use it. >> it is like the sabbath. >> kimberly, take one day off and not look for a husband. "special report with bret baier" is up next. ♪ ♪
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♪ >> time for one more thing. e.b. >> weekend programming notes. fox news announced to carry fox news through august 2019. sirius will broadcast fox next month. two exciting new shows on the channel premiering this weekend. "a healthy you with carol alt." and then media buzz debuts sunday, september 8th at 11:00
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a.m. don't miss it. bob's right. a big cashing in. kimberly guilfoyle will be on the show. we will talk about the cluster freedom. 11:30 a.m. saturday. >> b.b. >> take a look at this. viral on the internet. >> my name is matthew cordle. on june 22nd, 2013, i hit and killed vincent this video will act as my confession. when i get charged, i will plead guilty and take full responsibility for everything i have done to vincent and his family. >> we have a short period of time. let's say this is another example of what happens when you drink and drive. >> k.g. >> i want to talk about betty white. who is now a guinness world record holder. 91 years old.
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i'm a huge fan of "golden girls." longest career as an entertainer. 74 years work in the industry. she is still making people laugh and smile. >> she's great. >> tribute to her. >> anyway. dana. >> you used to live in london? >> yes. >> you want to see architectu l enius? it melted a car. there is so much light reflected on it. they don't know what they will do. >> this is how capitalism solves the energy crisis. you can make a grilled cheese. bob, that was uncalled for. gary sinise. great guy and actor. he does a lot of shows for the
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military. those who have been injured in wars. he has a show on september 13th and 14th. my glasses, please. if you want to go to the shows, they are great. he plays. he is in a band. go to garysinisefoundation.org. it is fayetteville on the 13th. charleston on the 14th of september. all money goes to the wounded warriors. it is a worthy cause. he is a great musician. he plays bass. >> he is a good guy. >> great american. >> i gave him a promotion. i said captain. it is lieutenant dan. >> lieutenant dan band. >> is that what they call it? >> you know why? the character from "forrest gump." >> really? i didn't know that. >> this is why we have scintillating debate on this
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show. that was the -- >> get to your level. >> unnecessary. you know, i think we are running out of time. >> we are. >> literally. we are. we will all die some day. >> we are running out of words. >> special report is up next.

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