martha: we have been watching as members of congress have descended the steps to begin their own remembrance of september 11, 12 years later, on capitol hill. nancy pelosi is joining them. bill: two hours and 50 minutes later, steel reading names. our coverage continues on "happening now." ♪ ♪ ♪ new paragraphs

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♪ >> let us pray. god and heaven of heaven and earth, we give you thanks for giving us another day. today we remember the day begun in terror and violence, and ended in heroic efforts encourage. we mourn those whose lives were taken from those and please give the people peace for their loved ones. we give thanks for the international response to a great american tragedy. all of your children of goodwill could see the horror of actions by men who would presume to act in your name, causing so much

death and destruction. may your spirit of peace and justice continue to fill the hearts of people of all faiths and races and nations. please help us to recognize your creative love in the lives of all who share this beautiful planet. be present with us this day as we gather again on our capitals stats. please bless the men and women who serve this great nation in the senate and house of representatives. united then and united today in our shared citizenship. and they have been given great responsibility by their fellow americans. may their showing of unity we

hope to forge legislation to reflect the resilient greatness of our nation and building a vibrant economy and a safe and secure future. in the many days to come, maybe for your greater honor and glory. amen. jon: powerful words and images, now looking at ground zero on a day that we will never forget. america remembering those who lost their lives 12 years ago. we united on the steps of the capitol at ground zero in lower manhattan. families continuing reading the names of their loved ones.

nearly 3000 people died when the hijacked jetliners struck the twin towers in a field in pennsylvania. >> the bell has told six times marking the moments when the twin towers were struck by planes and then when they crumbled to the ground. president obama is leading the observance, honoring those who died when a jetliner crashed into the u.s. military headquarters. also a memorial service underway in shanksville, pennsylvania, where the final united flight 93 crashed into an open field after heroic passengers tried to take back the control of the jetliner

from al qaeda hijackers and prevented it from being used as a weapon. loved ones taking part in a moment of silence. president obama asking congress to delay a vote, authorizing military action against syria as they propose a diplomatic lucian, proposed by russia to eat avoid the use of force. welcome, i am jon scott. jenna: hello, everybody, i am jenna lee. as the events unfold, the president is making his case and did so last night for both war and diplomacy. two strategies at the same times the diplomatic proposal for syria to hand over its chemical

weapons remains highly speculative at this point. in the meantime, the president still wants congress to approve a military strike, but he is asking for a delay and made strong bipartisan opposition. >> it is too early to tell whether this offer will succeed. any agreement must verify that the assad regime keeps its commitments. but we have the potential to remove the threat of chemical weapons without the use of force, particularly because of russia being one of his strongest allies. i have asked the leaders to authorize the use of force while we pursue this diplomatic path. jenna: while they do, the administration today continuing to brief lawmakers on capitol hill. after last nights speech, many

appear to need some convincing. >> needed to set the table to say that if you don't negotiate this, if we don't get a negotiated settlement, something that is going to happen, that is how you get to good diplomatic solutions, and all that to me was lost in what i thought was even a bit more confusing of the speech. i was really disappointed in now. that. i think our national security interests are at stake. jenna: some strong words from the chairman of intelligence. doug, after last nights speech in this new proposal, we are hearing about a little bit more from russia. what is congress' role? >> the role of congress is greatly diminished at this point. in fact, the house democratic caucus met in another closed-door classified briefing. but the immediate pressure to bring about a strike authorization in congress is not

there. all of the attention is focused on the u.n. and russian presdient vladimir putin and this may be just as well for the president of the united states. because if a vote were to be taken in congress, he would be embarrassed by it. the votes are simply not there and many say that this speech last night did not sway anymore opinions. here is senator jon barrasso. >> i voted against this and it's a vote that i would also vote against. if the vote were today it would say phelan in the house they would be lucky to get 100 votes. >> they say that it will send an even worse signal to the powerful enemies in the middle east. >> the alternative is to walk

away. frankly, there is one other aspect that i think is important. iran is watching very closely about what we are doing. they are looking for how we are acting in order to determine how we walk later on. >> moments later harry reid said that damascus and moscow need to know that we are watching it turns out to be a delay or a distraction, the congress needs to give the president of the united states the authority to act. jenna: happening at this time is a group of bipartisan senators are working on a new resolution. what can you tell us about that? >> and moments ago spoke to senator mccain who is involved. he is very much active and he wants to remind us that it is not a new replacement for an old resolution, it is in addition to the existing resolution. they are hoping to keep this and

mccain sees this as a way to do just that. jenna: we will continue watch this development. thank you. jon: let's talk with karl rove. a fox news contributor. did the president move the needle either in congress or in the public's opinion? >> among public opinion, presidential addresses do tend to move. there was a small movement towards the president's position going from the low 30s to the high 30s among people who watch this. that is likely to dwindle again in the days ahead and a lot of people didn't watch the speech. we have pretty much a status quo where support running in the low to mid 30s at best an

opposition running in the high 50s to the low 70s, depending on what you look at for polls, the president has acknowledged this before his speech and he is making yesterday afternoon with republican senators, he said don't expect the polls about 20 points based upon my speech. he said i'm good, but not that good. jon: one of the things that he did was address all of the criticisms that have been leveled against the possibility of military action in syria. i want to play one of them for you and ask your question on the backside. >> i will not put american boots on the ground in syria. i will not pursue open-ended action like iraq or afghanistan. i will not pursue a prolonged air campaign like libya or kosovo. this would be a targeted strike to achieve a clear objective, deterring the use of chemical weapons integrating the capabilities of bashar al-assad.

>> what seemed to be missing was the reaction, if america wants is a strike on syria whether the president likes it or not. >> there is attention on the president's approach. he talks about a limited strike and his secretary said it would be an unbelievably small strike. he said yesterday afternoon, our military is capable of enormous things and we are going to strike while it may be limited in duration and for us, it's going to have an enormous impact. in the same paragraph he says that the united states military goes on to say whatever we do discourage everyone else. is it simply a warning shot? >> 12 years ago the nation was

attacked. karl rove was with president george w. bush on monday. i would like to ask about some of your memories of that day as we continue to mark the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks and listen to the reading of the names in lower manhattan. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ here, try this. mm, ok! ching! i like the fact that there's lots of different tastes going on. mmmm! breakfast i'm very impressed. this is a great cereal! honey bunches of oats. i hear you crunching.

jon: a demolished fire truck that had been smashed in 9/11, president bush was speaking that day. karl rove was with him that day, i was a block or so away from the president. the eruption that came out of the first responders was visceral. the war that we're not in that crowd that day is something that i will never forget. what's your take on that? >> i will never forget it either. that was not a moment that was supposed to happen.

it happened because of a young woman named nina bishop when the president and his party arrived at the northwest corner of ground zero, there were no plans to have the president speak. but she brought up the issue the night before at a meeting and had been turned down. so that they should determine that she was going to try to propose a moment for the president's speech. so when we arrived at the northwest corner, i felt someone tugging at me and she was a very small and petite woman and she said they want to hear the president's speech and the logic of it was so powerful. i said, you're right. i asked if she had a sound system and she said no. and i said can you get a bullhorn, and she said i will go get one. then i looked around and first at the running boards of the vehicles that people wouldn't be able to see right behind me was

a fire truck. it had been smashed, pounded into the ground by bubble on top of it. and i looked up and started talking to two men, and one jumped off the truck and asked the two remaining guys is the stable. and i said, is that stable, and they said yes. and i said jump up and down promotes a look at look at me weird her, but they complied again. and i said, stay there. i went to remove a piece of rubble that was on top of the vehicle because digital when they jump up and down. then i went and told andy card, i said, they want to hear from the president and he immediately

said where can we do it, and i pointed to the truck. he went and talked to the president and the president came over. nina had rounded up people and the president at this point, there is only one guy left on top, the old guy coming and he wasn't really paying attention to what was happening and suddenly he heard a voice saying hey, and he reached down and let the guy that was asking him for help and realize when he got him up on top of the truck it was the president of the united states. and bob, a retired firefighter tried to jump off the truck and he said, you're going to be staying here with me and the rest is history. the president couldn't really make it sound were the trigger on the handle or the bullhorn work, and you heard that there is a guy in the background yelling that we can't hear you, we cannot hear you. no speech writers, no smart people, saying here's what you're going to say. the president captured what

america needed to hear at that time. jon: it was less than a month later that the first strikes on afghanistan began. we were really bad day. nobody had seen anything like this coming. nobody knew what was going on. were you inside the white house? were you getting a handle on it? >> yes, there is a day in history. i remember there was a lot of fog. about 8:48 a.m., the phone rang and susan ralston said that a plane has thrown debris into th. a few minutes later, we

watched as the second plane flew and horrified, and that is when andy card told me that a plane, a second plane flew into the world trade center. there was such a powerful anxiety in the air and i remember it how calm it was on when the president came in and in a very quiet steely voice, we all jumped on the phone and went to work. i remember when the secret service came and said we need to get you to be airplane to be airborne as quickly as possible. they were worried that his life was at risk and that they would try to decapitate the government. >> the president got a phone call and i could only hear one

side of the conversation, but i knew it was bad when he asked were still alive at the pentagon. jon: so much to remember about the day that changed world history. karl rove, it's good of you to share your perspective. thank you very much. jenna: that horrific day 12 years ago when al qaeda terrorists murdered thousands of americans. it also marks one year since the terror attack in and then copy in which four americans were murdered. and the president is working to bring them to justice, so far no no arrests, but photos of the three alleged suspects. catherine herridge has more updates for us. what are we learning about who made the call to be in benghazi

on the day of the attack? >> thank you, state department analysts show that the conflict had taken the threat seriously in this memo from december 2011, nine months before the attack, signed off on the operation. the memo was prepared by the and patrick kennedy. they said it was a policy decision and we know also from congressional testimony that mrs. clinton's personal goal was to establish a permanent presence in benghazi. >> i would be amazed if he had not consulted the least with secretary burns and i feel and i don't think that she would've made what is really

fundamentally political decision purely on management grounds. >> the state department told fox news that these questions are dealt with in the accountability review board, there is no reference specifically to that memo. jenna: what about the cia? how is this a a promising to move this investigation along? >> fox news has confirmed first reported by the wiki standard, this will be available to committee investigators and the attorney general for what has publicly honored the men who died in a mortar attack on the roof of the consulate.

>> they were taken from us just one year ago in libya. their valor remind us of the compassion. reporter: also ted poe is working as a foreign terrorist organization and they are trying to make it easier for groups to finance and general. jon: we will continue to take notes of the events of this 9/11 anniversary and a major showdown coming but the countdown for obamacare just weeks from now to for help exchanges to run under the informal care expert as we remember the thousands of lives lost on september 11, there are new concerns about american safety. former homeland security safety

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♪ ♪ jon: as we remember that thousands of americans who headed off to work or school on that morning 12 years ago today, they suddenly died. their new concerns about how safe americans are now. a new poll shows 51% of americans feel safer than before the september 11 attack, 30% feel that they are less safe than before. 9% of those polled said they felt safety was the same. in november 2002, the department of homeland security was created. right now from a senate committee is holding a hearing on challenges. they're also looking at emerging threats. we are joined by the second person that had the department, homeland security secretary michael chertoff and he is also the cofounder of the chertoff

group. what do you say about those who didn't feel as safe today as 12 years ago? >> the families of those who lost their lives on september september 11, are very much on our minds and in our prayers. we have put a lot of measures in place that make us much safer. we have done a lot to degrade the group of al qaeda terrorists who were high and this and similar attacks. when people look around the world coming to, they see what is going on in north africa, east africa, west africa, they become concerned rightly that al qaeda is now evolving into a new type of structure, may be a looser network, one that poses new challenges and one that we have to focus on. jon: the president address that

when he talked about america not being able to be the world's policeman. i want to play some of that for you and get your reaction. jon: okay, i'm sorry, we will get the audio clip up in just a second. but the president said that we can make her own children safer over the long run by responding to their use of gas against innocent children. my question was, in your view, how does that work? is taking on assad with a military response, does that make us safer? >> i would say only as a larger strategy. we have to attend to do what we can to make sure that syria does not onto the hands of extremists

and that the same time, we don't want it to continue in this orbit of hezbollah and iran, which are also terrorist groups. so we need to find a way to support that more mainstream group of opponents, who if they can take control also have a way for a stable and more nonthreatening serious. you can't ignore what goes on in other parts of the world. events on the other part of the globe have an uncanny way of reaching out and grabbing us by the throat and that is what we saw 12 years ago. that is the lesson that we carry forward. we need to have a strategy to identify long-term threats. >> you know, the president determined that the leadership of that country needed to go and he ordered airstrikes in the

united states participated, obviously. ultimately, you know, it worked, i guess, and yet, look at what happened to our diplomatic facilities in the first ambassador that we have killed in the line of duty in this country. >> that makes the point that you have to have a strategic approach these matters. it's not enough that this is something that occurs when you eliminate a bad leader. you have to ask yourself where is this all headed. that may mean that we have to be more engaged in making sure that we are working with the right people on the ground and that we have to be doing that in an earlier stage. i know some people take the view that if you just step away from the world stage, but we don't bother the world and the world doesn't bother us. the lesson we see sense and is

the matter what we do, the world will wind up impacting us, americans overseas board at embassies or at home. therefore, we need a strategy to deal with a going forward. >> the two leaders have put out an op-ed piece and it reads that nine years after the 9/11 commission made its case, our country is still not as safe as it could and should be. do you agree? >> i do agree. i think the point that they were making in the point of a recent study has pointed to that. is that we still don't have congressional focus on homeland security. giving the committee's level an appropriate level of jurisdiction so we can contribute its part to everything. for example, the screening of private aircraft that could be part of a weapon of mass

destruction. but you need congressional action to enable the department of homeland security and because congress has been fragmented and has refused to come together behind the committees, we don't get the kind of congressional focus that would be appropriate. jon: we have a poll of suggesting about 51% of americans feel safer now than they did prior to the 9/11 attacks of 12 years ago. and as a result of the 9/11 attacks for that number has dropped 50% a couple of months ago in 2004, 50% now it's down to 51%. what will it take to get that feeling of safety going the other direction increased? >> what needs to happen is a clear exposition what we are doing to protect americans. explain it. also to deal with some of the

recent controversies. for example, the issue around nsa intelligence and we need to explain to the american people very clearly how critical it has been to be able to collect communications information about terrorists in order to deflect or disrupt disrupted plots. we have seen that timing again. not just identifying an individual case here or there, but explain how it works, how you collect it, how you have to pour over it to find the important connections and how one link leads you to another link and how eventually that's working properly, it identifies people who are threats. so i think it's maybe time to have a broader conversation about what we are trying to do. what we have been able to do, and what we still need to do. jon: secretary michael chertoff. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me speak to a big topic of

conversation will be a part of our show as well. what is the right way to engage in conversation against terrorism? in the meantime, another story today. at the same time we are facing a new showdown on capitol hill with everything that is going on. over an effort to block obamacare and rich edson is live on capitol hill with more. >> a major fight over the president's health care law. if congress does nothing to extend government funding, we are looking at a government shutdown on october 1. date have come up with a plan to extend authority for about 2.5 months until about mid december. but that is conditioned on the u.s. senate voting to defund obamacare. they say that this may be the best option. >> article is not to shut down the government.

our goal is to cut spending and to stop obamacare. it is to force the vote in the fight in the united states senate. that is where the issue is. let's get the issue over there and have a vote on getting rid of obamacare. reporter: this allows them to move forward without defunding obamacare. that is something of a number of conservatives and republicans say that they are not for. they want to make sure that it is pushing the number of individuals for it. and house leaders have decided to urge lawmakers to oppose the rule. we expect a vote on a sometime as early as tomorrow. we hope to avoid government shutdown on october 1, there are a number of republicans that are

calling for an increase in the debt ceiling. including defunding obamacare. the treasury department says that we have a way to get to. jenna: another busy day in washington dc. jon: and a busy day along the northeastern coast. remembrance ceremonies taking place mark in 12 years since the 9/11 terrorist attack. coming up, how the united states can take concrete steps to stamp out violent extremism all around the world. ♪ ♪ ♪ ho ho ho

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♪ jenna: home orioles here in new york city and in shanksville, pennsylvania. honoring the americans lost their lives. so how are we working against the violent extremism reign we have a senior fellow for his studies at the council on foreign relations it just came out with a report on how to counter 9/11 extremism. you said an aide to 10 years, we can do that successively. how is that? >> there is some minimization with little or no amount of money going in. and there's lot of support.

we are confident that the minority movement can be effective. jenna: it brings up the question, which is what you are saying, invest in groups that are counter using this raising this extremism on the ground and help to foster them with the local people. the narrative on one side is unwilling to hijack a plane and kill themselves for the cause. we don't really have an answer to that because we would never do that. so how do you create the right narrative? >> it is a cause that has sympathy and in other words suicide bombers believe in something they call this

certainty including al qaeda and egypt and these are real voices into this certainty and if anything it is going towards hell and that information needs to be strengthened. jenna: how confident are you in the messengers that you just mentioned? >> i have every confidence. but there are other areas that these people may not be on the same page with you democracy and women's rights. >> yes, we have to prioritize it and i understand that they're effective messengers are important. but at the same time they are important voices for religious

freedom. and i think it is much more helpful for us to bring him on board. jenna: this is an issue that can come up a lot today. we have obviously interacted with these groups. is the united states interaction with these groups? >> u.s. government here and at home, reaching out to them. we are putting this message out with more muslims and non-muslims and therefore there is a threat. and it is true, they are. but much more needs to be done.

jenna: that is a good point. most of the people that are trying to be reached are illiterate or unemployed. so what is the key to that? >> many of them are speaking about crimes that were committed. and some of them will be watching videos and youtube. and some of them will be in london and sudan and berlin and the problem is and the sophisticated outlook. and the letter ones also have a demand. i think this is a win-win situation. jenna: we also talk about solutions, this is one as well. jon: it is a solemn day as

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jon: america remembers the 9/11 attacks. friends and family are reading the names of 3000 loved ones who died 12 years ago this morning. senior correspondent were on their way to work today when he saw a jet flying very low it is such a somber day.

reporter: it is. an emotional day. it was so loud as the plane made the turn to then hit the world trade center. it was piloted by mohammed atta. the last couple of hours they have continued to read the names of the victims who pairs share. 250 people are reading the names. the first was a 42-year-old tax specialist. it is a morning of tears and tributes and mournful sorrow. there were six moments of silence when the planes struck the twin towers two times and then when the plane in

shanksville, pennsylvania, crashed. >> bobby, we miss and love you so much. you are an angel and hero that is forever missed. reporter: the twin towers evoke what we have lost. jon: we need to be reminded of that in all of that emotion. >> take a look behind me, this is the world trade center. this new office building will be absolutely fabulous and it will be open next year. we have relics and artifacts of that day life is getting back to

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♪ jon: remembering 9/11, the day terrorists murdered nearly three how americans -- three thousand americans right here on u.s. soil. they might have rattled our sense of security but they never damped our resolve to seek justice. jenna: you're looking live at a tribute taking place in lower manhattan. tribute taking place in the at pentagon and shanksville, pennsylvania. we'll honor those who died and reminder to stay vigilant today.

where do threats lie now? we'll look at financial sources of terror and potential safe havens for groups like al qaeda. as we pay tribute to victims who never returned home 12 years ago today. jenna: but first, new fallout from the president's speech on syria and his call to give diplomacy a chance even as he made the case as well for taking military action against the assad regime. a big day today. good to see you. i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. welcome to the second hour of "happening now." we're live on capitol hill. lawmakers just got another classified briefing on syria. we're at the white house awaiting daily briefing half an hour from now. all this hours after president asked congress to delay a vote approving a military strike on syria and let diplomacy to play out first as he seemed to endorse a russian proposal to put syria's vast arsenal of

chemical weapons under international control. some lawmakers fear this could be a risky approach. >> it is too early to tell whether this offer will succeed and any agreement must verify that the assad regime keeps its commitments but this initiative has the potential to remove the threat of chemical weapons without the use of force. particularly because russia is one of assad's strongest allies. >> if we don't get a negotiated settlement, something real really bad is going to happen. that is how you get to good diplomatic solution. all to me was lost in what i thought was a bit more confusing of a speech. i was really disappointed in that i think our national security interests are at stake. jon: our senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler is at the white house now. so, wendell, see if you can answer this the president doesn't want congress to give him the authority for military action right away but he also doesn't have to use it immediately so why not go ahead and get the authorization?

>> reporter: well, jon, it is not at all clear that congress was going to give him the authority n fact more lawmakers seem to be leaning toward voting no and the russians have asked for assurances there will be no military strike while they're pushing syria's government to turn over its chemical weapons to international supervision which would make it awkward for mr. obama to continue for pushing authority. in a ceremony marking the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks the president seemed to ask that the country have the courage to try diplomacy. >> while at force is at times necessary, force alone can not build the world we seek. we recommit to the partnerships and progress that builds mutual respect and deepens trust and allows more people to live in dignity, prosperity and freedom. >> reporter: russia had asked for a meeting of the u.n. security council yesterday and then canceled it. looks like they're on to meet today, jon. jon: so what is the republican

reaction or maybe reactions to what the president had to say? >> reporter: you are right. there are several. senators lindsey graham and john mccain who want the u.s. to beef up its support for syrian rebels say the president really didn't explain how he's going to make sure the russians and the syrians deliver on their promise to put the syrian chemical weapons under international supervision. kentucky republican senator rand paul says it is not our fight. his colleague, senate mine mortgage leader mitch mcconnell also wasn't going to give mr. obama authority for a strike. republican congressman adam kinzinger who was, is surprised the president didn't ask for his help. >> i've been pretty outspoken for this and my belief to hold the assad regime for the use of chemical weapons. having been as much as i am on this issue that they didn't know to call and they didn't and which learned something about them. >> reporter: he would have a tough time convincing many of his colleagues in the house to join him. jon?

jon: wendell goler at the white house, a very busy place today. of the wendell, thank you. jenna: for more on this, senator joe manchin, democrat from west begin is joining us. he is on the senate armed services committee and currently opposed to military action in syria. senator, nice to have you with us today. >> good to be with you, jenna. jenna: let's start off with the big question. we heard president assad described as a thug. you referenced him as a demon. the president last night described him as a murderer of children. why would we trust a child killer with anything, let alone turning over his chemical weapons? >> it is not we're trusting him. if he signs up to the cwc, which is the chemical weapons commission, there is an organization in place, enforcements, inspections that we can see that he is doing what he says he is going to do. he has got the world's spotlight on him now and he has russia saying they will help him do it, to basically get rid of his weapons. for us not to take hold of this and use a diplomatic sources

that we have and all the diplomatic persuasion trying to bring a peaceful resolution, then a strike, which maybe could lead to a war is something i think we should explore. jenna: you want him to change what we haven't seen in the last 20 years which is that he hasn't signed on to this to give up his chemical weapons to say he is not going to use it. you want him to change his tune in 45 days. why do you think that's possible? >> basically you're not going to change everything in 45 days but you can get him to sign up and quit using these horrific weapons on his own people and innocent people that is the thing -- jenna: but, senator what is the message then? that he can go on killing him his own people with conventional weapons and we don't do anything. >> well, if you want us to get embroiled into a civil war then you and i might have a difference of opinion here. i think being a superpower greater is shining military might. you have to have super military powers, super patience and super

strength and superhuman human aid when needed. we can do all these things. if you believe or anybody watching believes after 12 years of being embroiled over in that part of the world, $1.6 trillion, and 7,000 lives being lost directly and 50,000 maimed that we're going to have a difference and change that part of the world, i believe differently. jenna: well, as the wife avjet ran that served in those wars, and, as someone that works for the press, if you would like to attack me for the message not being exactly clear you can go ahead but it doesn't change the fact that the message. >> i'm not attacking. jenna: here is what the top national security advisor, for the president had to say about thecy just the other day before the president's speech. let's roll that. >> the fact is, president obama has consistently demonstrated his commitment to multilateral diplomacy. he would much prefer the backing of the united nations security council to uphold the international ban against the

use of chemical weapons. whether in the enforcement of sanctions, accountability, or authorizing the use of force. but let's be realistic. it's just not going to happen now. believe me, i know. i was there for all of those u.n. debates and negotiations on syria. i lived it, and it was shameful. jenna: top national security advisor for the president, former u.n. ambassador for us as well. she says it's not going to work. so why the mixed messages? >> i don't know. first of all, let me apologize to you, jenna. i sure didn't mean to attack you of the we might have a difference of opinion here. jenna: i don't have any opinion, senator. i really, really, am dedicated to being a good journalist and i feel these are really important questions to ask. these are questions that the viewers are asking. >> let me tell you how i came to my decision. i went to every briefing i

possibly could. i asked every question. i looked for options of the basically we, attack was never to take out assad regime. so assad wasn't doing to be removed. it was never to secure the chemical weapons we know are there. and they have confirmed are there. all it would do is take out some assets to prevent them for continuing to proliferate war. russia said anything you take out we will replace some we had checkmate there so i didn't see anything of a plan afterwards, if we did strike what do we do to build a regime? if you look what happened in libya, look at egypt, all that part of the world, we haven't been successful. and i just have not seen a successful path. i want to try diplomacy. i think it could work. get the international community to pie in. we're going it alone right now. jenna: let me ask you a point on that. the conversation about whether the ghosts of past foreign policy affairs is haunting us too much today is really big question and one we can discuss at a later date, senator but -- >> sure. jenna: i'm curious whether or not this vote should take place

in congress and how you feel about that? because it appears that the argument being made by it president that the reason why we're at the point of diplomacy is that military intervenges was threatened in some way. and now we've taken that vote off the table. one of the things that your resolution would point out is, if this doesn't happen in 45 days the president can take whatever he wants to do, whether that is military intervention or not and just go ahead and do it. should you move forward with the vote, pressure of the military intervention is on assad, it is on the russians to make this work, if it has a chance of working? >> jenna, i think there should be a vote. i don't know how the president can come to congress to ask for the input and we have no input other than just our opinion and not vote but also he said, craft a piece of legislation that has diplomacy in it, which is what we're doing, that brings it under the purview of the chemical weapons commission which we have done, he wants enforcement. what we did on mine and heidi

heitkamp's resolution, we after 45 days reaffirms the war powers act the president already has. he has to make the decision on articulating and what direct strike might need or might be at that time if he think it is still but we're hoping we can resolve that before that but he doesn't want to take an imminent strike off the table. i don't believe a strike at anytime in that part of the world is going to do anything but embroil us in more of what we've seen in the last 12 years. jenna: senator manchin, some big questions today. always nice to have you on the program. i look forward to having you back. thank you very much. >> thank you. jon: meanwhile, we are following overseas reaction to the president's address on syria. leland vittert is live in our middle east bureau with more on that. leland. >> reporter: jon, the overseas reaction is about as varied as the reaction you're seeing on capitol hill right now all the way from the french, the united kingdom, u.s. is on one side of this, who want a very strong resolution in the united nations against president assad with

some real teeth to make sure he is not stalling here and real consequence if he does not live up to the bar gain of giving away all his chemical weapons. on the other side, you have russians, lesser extent chinese who are pushing for much more lenient measure. russians for that part, the united states has to give up any threat of u.s. military force before this deal can be made. and remember, we still haven't gotten to the discussions that are going to happen tomorrow between secretary kerry, secretary of state of the united states, and the russian foreign minister that might start to get into the nitty-gritty details of this. you have thousands of tons of chemical weapons supplies inside of syria right now that will have to be dealt with. all that still needs to be figured out, jon, really before the international commune can begin to actually vote on a plan and make a deal final. back to you. jon: all right. leland vittert in our middle east bureau. thank you. jenna: as the president pursues a diplomatic resolution to the crisis in syria a new report

raises questions about the growing influence of al qaeda in the country's bloody civil war. we'll talk a little bit about that. also the rush from all over the world to join this fight in syria. plus a live look at the national september 11th memorial plaza in new york city as family and friends read the names of nearly 3,000 people who died 12 years ago today, when hijacked jets purposely crashed into the towers of the world trade center, the pentagon, and a field in pennsylvania. our coverage continues after a quick break. ♪ [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually all your imptant legal matters in just minutes. protect youramily... and launch your dreams.

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questions are surfacing about the extent of al qaeda's influence on rebels fighting assad regime. it's a big factor in some of the debates we're having what we thud do there. listen to this editorial by thomas friedman in the "new york times." he writes, no one, hawk or dove wants to see american boots on the ground under any conditions, count me among them. the only problem it is impossible to imagine a solution to the conflict in syria without some outside force putting boots on the ground of the he goes on to say i understand why there are no volunteers but the united nations security council will eventually have to address this reality, otherwise syria will become afghanistan on the mediterranean. joining us now, peter brookes, former cia officer and senior fellow for national security affairs at the heritage foundation. some strong words there, peter, afghanistan on the mediterranean? is that what syria is becoming? >> certainly a possibility. i mean we're hearing all sorts of calculations about what portion of the rebels are part

of al qaeda or islamist extremists. everything from 10 to% to 50%. the problem we know that we know that al qaeda is resident in syria. a lot of them have come from iraq. al qaeda in iraq in syria have talked about settings up a state that includes both syria and iraq. we see the violence that's going on there and this is the other part, the flip side of the coin from the chemical weapons discussion that's going on. chemical weapons is only one small part of the terrible violence going on in syria. there is the assad regime itself which is a terrorist regime. there are also terrorists on the other side fighting assad. there is a lot going on what this really tells us, jenna, there is no comprehensive policy by this administration in dealing with syria. jenna: one of the reasons why it is such a debate over the policy because it is difficult to understand what is the threat here at home. that may all be happening here as you say, peter, but what is the threat to our homeland that

is going on in syria? >> as it stands today, it is mostly a national fight between those sort of things but as friedman mentions, the fact is at some point in the future if syria becomes a terrorist state or under the control of al qaeda, they could start putting, they could put us in the cross-hairs just like what happened in afghanistan. al qaeda looks for places that are lawless, that it's chaos. where there is a weak government. then they use that to plan, train and operate and recruit. and that is exactly what afghanistan was like before 9/11, jenna and -- jenna: when it comes to the question about boots on the ground though, and thomas friedman said this clearly, he doesn't want us to go there. it would be great if somebody else was willing to step in. >> right. jenna: and that is the question our viewers have as well, peter, where are the other people who would be willing to step in, for example, the saudis? they're putting a lot of weapons and money into the rebels but -- >> qataris.

jenna: all of them. why wouldn't they be willing to put the bad elements down and bring the good elements to the front? >> looks, there's a lot of free loaders in international relations found northly. the united states tends to do a lot of heavy lifting. without the united states getting involved in the cw problem nobody is coming along. brits voted against it. french are waiting it out. it depends what he is talking about, jenna. whether piece making or peacekeeping. peacekeeping would come after a political settlement. peace make something after an intervention. send a force, international force, an american force or some other force to actually divide the two to keep the peace. depends what he is talking about there and there are many different ways. as everybody understands, war is lucky business, if they don't have to get involved themselves they will be glad to let somebody else do it and in many cases that is the united states. jenna: is that the price we pay for being the global leader that we are? is that just part of the deal,

that we would have to be the once to go in and we're not advocating for that as we've had this conversation on the air? is that the price we pay for leadership? >> it's a price you pay for leadership but it's certainly something we need to debate. and about this chemical weapons debate, i don't think the obama administration gave us the strong national interest reason for involving ourselves while he did give as you moral and ethical reason for doing so. so this is something that should be debated by the american people and the congress in conjunction with the administration at the time but it is, the weighty evident question we deal with, jenna as being the world's leading superpower. jenna: absolutely. the question is the timeline we have in all of this. peter, always great to have you. >> thanks for having me. jon: also the debate raging on syria, hardly the only thing on the agenda of a busy congress the thorniest fight right now could be the threat of a government shut down over the threat of obamacare. the tricky balancing act we'll

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well. centralized government doesn't do these sorts of things very well. so my bet is still that we're going to have a lot of problems and i predict a pretty big disaster, especially with the data hub system when that comes online. jon: okay, specifically about the data hub, juan, are you an optimist or a pessimist? >> you know, i don't know enough, jon, but i will say cha charlie is clearly a pessimist and i think there are people who are rooting for this health care system to fail. what we've seen though in terms of reporting on the data hub people say it is now been tested and ready to go and as you know october 1st is a very important date in terms of trying to get these health care exchanges up and functioning so by the 1st of the year we can have a health care system where everybody has the opportunity to have insurance and coverage. jon: well, not if some republican members of congress have their way, charlie. there's an interesting battle going on now. the house is going to send to the senate a couple of different

bills as i understand it. one, would fund the government through the middle of december but would also defund obamacare. how is that going to work? >> i have stated and he may end up agreeing with juan on this you know i think actually republicans are not playing this very, very smart. i mean the idea that you're going to defund the government and shut down the government overobamacare seems pretty foolish to me. and, i would actually argue that, if you look at congress right now, congress supports obamacare. and while i think it is very smart to pick apart obamacare and try to stall it and delay it and do what they can the idea that you're going to just sort of wreck the entire train at this point seems to be me sort of foolish. what they need to work on, they need to work on winning the senate so they can do something real with obamacare. but as it stand now, the house is going to keep voting to repeal obamacare and the senate is going to keep ignoring it.

and they're just asking for a real problem if they go and shut the whole system down to make some, you know, some silly point. not a silly point. an important point. jon: juan, it seems like they are trying to not shut down the government but still at the same time express their displeasure with obamacare. is that what's at work here? >> yeah. that's what speaker boehner wants to do and he thinks he has the plan to do just that, jon. his plan would be that you force people to have a vote on defunding obamacare in the democratic-controlled senate. and then you, once that, democrats of course then say no we're not going to do that, then you go on to fund the government but he would force this vote in the senate. but what we've got at the moment is a civil war among the republicans where you have people like senator ted cruz of texas, dick armey, the former speaker saying, no, you can't do that you're just giving in to the democrats and giving in to obama. i think there are some people

who want the symbolism of saying we'll shut everything down, we can break this but you will break the whole government and i think hurt the republican party pigging up on charlie's point because politically whenever the government gets shut down in these kind of episodes it is republicans that bear the brunt of the blame. jon: doesn't seem like there is appetite for that even in washington where a lot of crazy things happen. juan williams, charlie hirt. thank you both. >> you're welcome, jon. jenna: we first heard he want ad military strike on syria and now the president is giving diplomacy a chance. ambassador john bolton on what the chance that the dictator will give us his chemical weapons. is this a solution. plus, we remember the for americans killed in the benghazi terror attack one year ago today. the troubling new developments in the tasks to bring the terrorists that murdered them to justice. we never forget as we look live at ground zero, america and the world remembers 9/11 12 years later. a look at the ceremonies around

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motorcycle rally on the mall in washington, d.c. the rally is a response to muslim groups plan to march on the mall but the national parks service refused to grant the two million bikers to d.c. group a permit. the motorcycle rally's facebook page bills the event as a way to remember those killed on 9/11 and honor the armed forces who fought those who precipitated attack. the event was planned as a way to protest the american muslim political action committee in their million american march against fear also going on in the nation's capitol. as we get images of that, we'll bring them to you. meantime the motorcycles are riding today in washington, d.c. jon: on this day we mark 12 years since the attacks of 9/11, it is also a year since terrorists murdered four americans at the u.s. consulate in benghazi gauze. one year later emotions remain raw. the u.s. has not arrested anyone responsible for the attack on

our diplomatic facility. families of the four victims say they have gotten very few answers. adam housley takes a look live from los angeles. adam. >> reporter: jon, we have new information from fox news. according to multiple state department sources highly sensitive u.s. military equipment that was being used in libya by u.s. special forces to help train libyans to gather information on those who did or expected to have taken a part in this attack and at the same time on other terror suspects in the region that military equipment being used to train libyans was stolen late july into early august in two raid overnight. we have a full screen to give you idea some of the equipment taken. we were told m-4 rifles were taken. lasers were taken as well as night vision technology. this is stuff that the u.s. military has a lot of our adversaries do not. it gives us an advantage. dozens of these pieces of equipment were stolen in late july and early august in raids on a camp funded by u.s. taxpayer dollars. trainers, u.s. military special forces according to the state department sources i've spoken

to were there to train these men and during nighttime when they would go back to the villa, the americans would go back to the villa these raid took place and equipment was stolen. you can see the camp itself was outside of tripoli. it was not near benghazi but it was outside of tripoli. the camp had been there since november. these trainers have since been pulled from libya. only two remain i'm told. there are fbi, we're told fbi members there as well as contract employees in the region but only two special forces from the original team are left in benghazi, sorry, left in tripoli. the reason they were pulled in part due to these raids. these raids took place late july, early august, where the u.s. equipment was stolen. the men had gone back to the camp for the night. the camp was supposed to be secured by libyan forces. it was not. they believe the equipment has fallen into the wrong hand and they worry how potentially it could be used. as a result we're told the state department pulled support for the program and we're told for

these men while they're were there to train were also gathering intelligence on those they believe are responsible for the benghazi attacks one year ago. jon? jon: and the mess goes on and so it seems. adam housley, thanks. jenna: much more now on the terrorist threat as we mark 12 years to the day after the 9/11 attacks. it is important to remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi citizens. how many of them can you name, right when you really think about that? it is pretty unbelievable. the very few can. a lot of funding for these hijackers came from saudi arabia and today strong financial support still flows from inside saudi arabia to hotbeds of radical islam around the world but they're not the only ones. there is a lot of big players in this region and we want to talk a little more about it with jonathan schanzer, a former terrorism analyst at the treasury department and vice president of research for the foundation of defense and democracies. jonathan, we want to talk about this today, after 9/11 happened this was part of piecing the puzzle together how this all came about. who supported these guys, who

funded them and how they were able to achieve what they did? now as we move forward today, who are the big funders, where's the money coming from and where's it going? >> well, you know, i think it is worth noting first of all, jenna, there was a great push at the treasury department, part of the 9/11 commission included a report about terror finance and we did conclude that a lot of it did come from saudi arabia and other gulf countries. we successfully designate ad number of charities and went after a number of the top financiers. in many ways we've become victims of our own success these last 12 years. we have driven a lost charities and funding sources underground. they're operating through bulk cash smuggling and other illicit means to make it difficult for us to track whereas before we were able to freeze bank accounts. we're looking at saudi arabia and new players possibly the

qataris. i think this is still the epicenter of the terror finance problem. jenna: where is the money actually coming from? we say from the oil-rich countries. we say is it coming from business? is it coming from government? is it private fund raiseing? how much money are we talking about and where is it coming from? >> we're still talks about 10 of hundreds of millions of dollars depending on individual or the country. almost none much it will come from state coffers. that is the last thing that the saudis, for example want to do or the qataris want to do. these are allies of the united states. they took it on the chin after 9/11. there was a lot of scrutiny so the last thing they want to do is cross the united states in that way. so our understanding is that the so-called, golden chain that existed back during the 1990s of individuals who were interested in financing terrorism are continuing to do so. they're just doing so in a more quiet fashion and again in ways that make it much, much more difficult to track, making the

job of the treasury and the cia that much harder. >> let's talk a little bit about it in relation to syria. the syria, the civil war there has been going on for two years and we know there are some major players that are supporting various components of that civil war. what is that doing to the bottom line? for example, is syria's civil war really affecting finances in iran beyond the sanctions that the united states has placed on that country? is it really affecting any of the other play officers is it having a dramatic economic effect on any of them? >> well, absolutely. we get the sense that the iranians are single-handedly financing syria. they're trying to keep the assad regime afloat. it is basically a sinkhole. if there is any positive aspect what is going on right now it is certainly draining iranian resources especially as they're under sanctions right now for their illicit nuclear activity. we're hearing that the saudis of course are involved in funneling a lot of money to the opposition. there obviously some of the money is going to the fsa and

some of the so-called vetted groups but also there are a lost concerns it may be going to the al-nusra front and islamic state of iraq and isam. i'm back from qatar and turkey, that some of the funds they have been providing to the so-called vetted opposition is also trickling down to these al qaeda groups as well. so there's a huge amount of money going into syria to fund, and arm and train these opposition groups and some of course are going to al qaeda. jenna: to pick up a conversation we had last hour with ed hussein, he said we need to invest more in the right groups overseas to counter the terrorist narrative. let's use that in syria as well. this is a conversation point. could we match the money going into syria? could we actually invest in the right people in syria that would avoid having to go through the russians and avoid also having to put boots on the ground? is that something we should consider more? is it worth the investment? >> we could. you know, it's certainly a

possibility. i do question the utility of it. i think americans are tired of throwing money at the problem, throwing resources a the problem. certainly tired of putting boots on the ground. my response to ed hussein's piece would be to say, listen, why don't we just find allies, not french any mys? why don't we work with companies willing to assure a moderate version of islam is spread throughout the region? that would exclude the saudis and qataris and several other allies of the united states. this frenemy concept is really working to our detriment right now. jenna: a lot to think about today. jonathan, we appreciate it as always. >> my pleasure. jon: so president obama's decision to delay military action in syria so he can pursue a diplomatic solution proposed by russia raises more questions on capitol hill and with the american people. our former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton weighs in next with his thoughts about all this.

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jon: "happening now", russia reportedly gives the u.s. its plan for placing syria's stockpile of chemical weapons under international control. this ahead of a high-stakes meeting tomorrow between secretary of state john kerry and russia's foreign minister. this after president obama's latest announcement last night that he will postpone any military action to pursue a diplomatic solution with russia and through the united nations. joining us by phone from doha, qatar, former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and fox news contributor john bolton. so the president originally scheduled this speech, ambassador, to press congress to authorize military force. now he uses the speech in part to say he is not going to use military force. what did you takeaway from what he had to say last night? >> well, i thought it was both humiliating and embarrassing to the united states. this russian initiative, or as the administration now seeps to

say, it was actually their idea, which to me makes it is more embarrassing, whose ever idea it is huge political victory in russia. stepping in the middle of this in syria, dominating the agenda, increasing its political clout throughout the middle east and almost certainly delaying for a long time, if not forever, any military strike. really a brilliant move bit russians. more dithering and inconsistency by the united states. i think it is, i think it is probably the end of any serious conversation in congress about a military strike. jon: one former deputy assistant secretary of the navy sent me an email and said that the administration in his view is ceding world power to russia right now. >> well, look it has been a tentative american foreign policy for decades to keep moscow out of the middle east. this just invites them in. this is just the beginning. i think it is only a very short matter of time here, maybe not

by russia, maybe not by syria, before somebody says, look, we all know why syria had chemical weapons, chemical, biological weapons are the poor man's nuclear weapon. the reason syria had chemical weapons is because of israel's nuclear weapons. what we should be talking about here is not syria giving up the chemical weapons. we should be talking about a middle east free of all weapons of mass destruction by all countries, nuclear, chemical and biological. never let a good crisis to go to waste. let's take advantage of this. let's make a bold breakthrough on here. let's put it all on the table. if you think the negotiations are syria's chemical weapons would go slowly, these negotiations would last infinitely, and put the russians in even stronger position. put israel in a difficult position and paralyze u.s. action. jon: ambassador, john bolton, we could talk to you for hours with all this i know you're in doha qatar, it was good of you to call in. thank you. >> thank you. jenna: the first hurricane of

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weaken a little bit continue to move off towards the north and eventually start to weaken i think and eventually get pulled off far away from the u.s. mainland. no impacts there. there was another storm that was gabrielle. this was impacting bermuda. surfers on the east coast might be happy. they have had a mellow season. this could kick up waves along the east coast. this area here is an area they're investigating and potentially could be some rain at least across areas of texas. i think we'll see this blob, around belize and yucatan towards the bay of campeche. this is the tropical models and disorganized. no good steering currents for this. it will spend days in the bay of campeche, saturday, into sunday and develop into some sort of a tropical storm. best bet it is bigger rain across parts of mexico but south texas getting some rain of this. a lot of this area of texas desperately needs the rain in. we see this move farther toward

the north we could see good rain out of it and it will be a good news story. we'll watch that over next few days. jonany, jenna lee's in-laws are in south texas. they would like a little rain. see if you can make it happen. rick reichmuth. thank you. jenna: thanks, jon, for mentioning in-laws and they appreciate it as well. we'll turn to a massive wildfire burning in northern california a little bit aways from texas. the so-called clover fire has damaged close to 100 structures and continues to threaten even more homes today. now we're hearing from some of the people who live direct lip in the path of those flames including some whose homes were spared and others unfortunately who lost everything. >> i worked really hard on the house, you know, and just finished it recently and, now it burnt. so, i don't know. >> i have a home to go to but my friends houses are gone. it is just devastating to me. i'm just, anything i can do for

them i will be there to do for them. jenna: well the fire remains 40% contained. and crews say they're hoping for a break in the weather. so hopefully a little bit of texas makes its way to california. jon: that would be extremely nice, wouldn't it? remembering the 9/11 terror attacks 12 years later. we're live at ground zero reflecting on a day that changed the nation forever. honoring the thousands who died and many heroes from that day, and those who died since then fighting this nation's battles as we look at memorials around the country, coming up next. ♪ ask me what it's like

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