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let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. greta van susteren is live to go "on the record." take it away. tonight, uh-oh, president obama uses the e word -- extortion. >> you have never seen in the history of the united states the debt ceiling or the threat of not raising the debt ceiling being used to extort the a president or a governing party . >> there is no interest on our part in shutting the government down. >> harry reid says we don't want the government open. >> the republicans are out here using extortion and blackmail methods saying if we don't defund obamacare we won't do routine things of government. >> we are interested in stability and fairness. funding the government for a full year period of time. >> congress's most fundamental job is passing the budget. congress needs to get it done without triggering another
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crisis. without shutting down the government or threatening not to i pay this country's bills. >> my goal is to keep the government open and protect our constituents from obamacare. >> 43 presidents, 232 years the to pile up the first $6.3 trillion in debt. this president in four and a half years has almost doubled that amount. >> the debt ceiling being used to extort a president or a governing party -- to extort a president or a governing party. >> there should be no conversation about shutting the government down. that is not the goal here. >> the president is threatening to shut down the government. >> you heard right. president obama accusing house republicans of extortion the. former senior adviser to president reagan pat buchanan joins us. >> good to see you. >> the president feels there is extortion over the debt ceiling. >> my response is harvard law professor ought to read the constitution of the united states. the power of the purse is given
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to congress. the power to tax, the power over debts. what congress is doing is trying to use their power to take down a piece of legislation that was badly drafted which is going to damage the country uh and which the american people do not want. i admire congress for standing up and using the tools and weapons the founding fathers gave out in order to do something good for the country. >> they are trying to use what they have. the president may be cornered on that. they may be using their power to get him to do something. >> political leverage. you have done a little bit of law, greta. it has a connotation of criminality. that's why the word got attention. >> he's using i it loosely. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think he's accusing them of a crime. he's using it politically. >> i agree with you. the congress has a right to do this. i'm glad to see them making the
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effort. do you know what congress should do? i think last summer they should have passed a continuing resolution for state, defense, justice, cia, homeland security. passed it and sent it to reid and said, look, we don't want these agencies involved in a spat in october. let's pass them now. get them done and battle over the this. >> congress may want to call him a hypocrite. when he was a u.s. senate he declared america had a debt problem and a failure of leadership. he's changed his feelings when to raise the debt ceiling. >> he voted with the democrats, purely politically on that. look, the t debt ceiling battle. we had something like 40 debt ceiling votes or something since
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1983. some cases you had three in a couple of months, i think, back in 19990. you can use this. let me agree with those that say, look, we have to pay our debts, no doubt about it. the idea of oh using these weapons and tools and these arguments in order to gain something. at the end it's good for the country. >> there is a big fat lie here. i will tell you what it is. the reason we are having the fight on the debt ceiling is because thoos political leaders have not led. they have not been good stewards of the economy. if they focused on waste, were good at administering the government we wouldn't have to raise it. they have failed their jobs. >> there is no question about that. you know, the leadership. i would take mr. boehner and mr. cantor and others.
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the leadership has not really led. the first thing -- >> president obama is right up to his eyeballs on this. >> not only on this. on the budget and on obama care. you take the amnesty thing. the leaders are for that. take the syrian war. they signed onto that. 3/4 of republicans in the house are ready to fight. they need leaders to fight. >> one of the problems of obamacare besides people complaining about the cost of it. every time the president gives exemptions he's raising the costs. somebody has to pay for it. he's up to his eyeballs. >> you say the situation is getting worse. i admire congressmen looking for a way to stop this and till it and go back and do it over again. i think they got the national interests of the country at heart and of the party and the people. some of the other folks say
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don't do that. we would be hurt politically if we take a stand, step up and fight. people will reactus. you lose every time. >> you're fine, i'm fine. anyone over the age of 40 is fine. we can't keep raising the debt ceiling every time we need money. i'm surprised young people aren't taking to the streets, protesting how terrible this country is being managed financially. let me bring you to the president's foreign policy. remember back in 2008 then presidential candidate obama promised to improve america's image overseas. >> we will improve our moral standing in the world. we will once again lead the world. not just militarily but diplomatically, economically. >> during his first year in office president obama receive ed a nobel peace prize. five years later as we see
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what's happening with syria, russia, egypt, owe friends in the uk saying no to a strike in syria and even brazil's president dissing president obama saying no to a state dinner at the white house in october. has the president made america's standing in the world worse? >> no question american influence is diminished from what it's been and from the days we won the cold war and george h.w. bush had the world behind him to throw the iraqis out of kuwait. when the president of brazil says i don't think i'm coming to a state dinner, mr. president. >> i think it's one of the worst. that's pathetic. everybody wants a state dinner at the white house. every nation. the president of brazil is so upset because nsa is spying on her and on brazil she says i'm not coming. if that's the clincher in terms of telling what the world thinks
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of us, one of our oldest allies. >> my guess is she's standing tall in brazil. the people probably said, good for you standing up to the american s. it's a problem we have had since 2000. we have said we are the be-9/11 lent nation. we see further than others. the exceptional nation. a lot of people see america as behaving like a moral and political tutor to the world. the sheriff of the global vig. they are saying enough is enough. get the message. >> if we were good at it. that's the problem. we haven't been and vladimir putin had to bail us out of a mess with syria. who would have guessed after the soviet union fell in 19 # 1 and now we have putin. we are leaning on putin to rescue us from a problem. >> who got us into the problem? do you know where we got into the problem? president obama said assad must go and my red line is this.
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they moved the chemical weapons around, use them, that's it. he made these ultimatums and had nothing to back it up. assad said i'm not going. there is confusion about who used the chemical weapons. it's now the finger of suspicion pointed at i assad's army at least. he does nothing and frankly the russians bailed him out. >> did you see what former secretary of defense panetta and gates said? >> they were tough on him. secretary panetta said if uh i don't draw a red line you have to do something about it. simply uh because president obama drew a red line in the sand on syria doesn't mean the congress of the united states should authorize the a war on syria. maybe h he ought to stand down. george bush said the world's worst dictators aren't getting the world's worst weapons.
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what about north korea? >> when obama ran for president he drew 90,000. now even angela merkel won't stand behind us. that's another one. >> we ought to stand up for ourselves. tell the germans we have 25,000, 50,000 troops in germany. bring them home. tell the germans to man up, defend yourselves again. >> that's good. they should man up over there. syrian president abar al assad sits down for an interview with fox news. here is part of the interview. >> this is so important. let me follow up on one or two points and move on. again, no conditions. you will agree to the plan to destroy your chemical weapons? you put conditions on this in the past week or so. no conditions? >> the only condition that agreement will entail and propose and provide. now we are going to discuss the
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details with the international organization. i don't i don't have all the details to discuss it with you, no. i'm not the expert to have special. when we join agreement as syria we are always committed to those agreements. >> people say this is just a reduce, just a game. experts say it will be difficult to get rid of chemical weapons, especially in a war situation. that this is buying you time. >> even if you don't have war it is difficult. even if you have all the requirements afforded by every party it takes the time to get rid of. >> you say it could take years? >> as i said, we don't have experience in that regard. i i heard it takes about a year. maybe a little bit less, a little bit more. >> a last key element to the
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u.n. report and while the u.n. inspectors didn't lay blame or place cull pablt for the attack, there are many experts interpreting this report, some i have spoken to in the last 12 hours that say this attack hooks firmly like an atam from your government. >> sarin gas is called kitchen gas because anybody can mix it. >> they say it is very high quality even that used in iraq by saddam hoo sap. >> anybody can make sarin. we know all the rebels are supported by government. any government with such chemical material can hand it over. >> experts say they have tracked nothing like this. there is a ton of sarin gas. it is launchers, rockets, a whole fleet which happened to be
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in your basements. >> it cannot be possible. you cannot use sarin beside your troops. you don't use wmd while you are advancing. you are not being deeffete, not retreating. the whole situation was in favor of the army lt we didn't choose it when we had bigger problems last year. third, when they talk about any troop or unit that used this weapon, this is for one reason because chemical weapons can only be used by specialized units. the whole story doesn't hold together. it is not realistic. no, we didn't. in one word, we didn't use any chemical weapons. >> pat, if the end of the story is no chemical weapons though the president was clumsy in how he handled this, perhaps
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president putin had to bail him out. doesn't he get credit for this long term if that's the product here. >> my guess is we won't get all the chemical weapons out any time soon. even if he starts. i think assad will use this to, b quote, extort concessions from the united states and elsewhere saying, look, for me to get them out we have to stop this bloody war. you have to stop helping these rebels. you have al qaeda and the rebels. we have to have a truce, some kind of oh deal where we can have peace. that way we can get the weapons out. that's what will happen. i think the russians -- >> is that a bad thing? >> bottom line is i don't want al qaeda in power in syria. they will use any weapon they can get and the sanctuaries there to attack america. >> you would rather have assad? >> he and his father worked with
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george bush in the gulf war. >> but he gas people. >> did he? this is the thing. if the united states has solid interepted evidence by phones and everything we hear that they were preparing this -- >> the u.s. said that. >> we have to the put it on the table. nobody has said they have proof that assad made a call and ordered it. >> he's the head guy. >> the main guy. >> this is his unit. even if we didn't catch him saying h he did it uh, if he's the main guy. >> here's the thing. we got it back to gadhafi blowing up pan-am 103. >> and we sent the guy home to die. another -- >> if the we got it and know who the military is we say, okay, you say uh you didn't do it. here is our intercept. here are the generals and officers who were the ones we believed used it. you may not know it.
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turn him over. if you have that evidence -- >> we gave him a chance to look the other way, walk into the sunt set? >> there are evil people all over. it is not the business of the united states to go around like wyatt erp in the global village and take down every bad guy. he's done terrible things. but greta, how do we advance the interest of peace and of the united states by attacking syria and killing a thousand people and have women and children on aljazeera and the other networks across the middle east the next day? how does it he help us? >> i don't think it helps us at all. it's a very ugly, horrible situation. a lot of lousy choices. >> let's stay out of it and prevent the worse choice. >> thank you. now to tonight's hot button issue. what do you think about the
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interview with bashar al assad. use twitter. we may use your tweet. use # greta. straight ahead, we are just getting new information into fox in the irs scandal. you will want to know it. it just got worse for the irs. also a kidnapped teenager found alive. tonight a search under way. who are police looking for and why? that live report from georgia is next. and senator rand paul has a secret weapon. what is it and how does he plan to use it? that's coming up. flu nice car. sure is. make a deal with me, kid, and you can have the car and everything that goes along with it. [ thunder crashes, tires squeal ] ♪ ♪ so, what do you say? thanks... but i think i got this. ♪ [ male announcer ] the all-new cla. starting at $29,900.
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investigating. >> she lives here in georgia in the 3800 block of grook brook gate drive around the bend. it is an active crime scene but there is a large police vehicle, presumably the fbi, gbi, low call authorities combing every piece of evidence this h the house. because it is, after all, an active crime scene. here's what we know. at 2:15 a.m. a call goes out for prowler in progress. they say two african-american males dressed in black, armed with handguns entered the back of the perez home. this is a cul-de-sac. inside the robbers encounter ivana's mother, ivana and her 15-year-old brother as well as a family dog. the robbers demanded money and jewelry. when maria told them they had
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none the family dog was shot and ivani was abducted without explanation. the men fled in a gray dodge or chevy sedan. we know they would have fled this way. it was a cul-de-sac. they had to exit this way beginning ivani's traumatic journey. the robbers would have had two choices. head south to conyers or go north which would lead you to the highway. conyers is 25 miles as the flow cries east of elwood georgia. we believe they would have gone north. google maps gives us a number of different ways to go. only one takes about 25 to 30 minutes as it is almost exactly 25 miles between elwood and conyers. they would have gone highway i-20 east. that would have been the shortest distance. our gps shows less than ten miles until we get off of i-20
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east headed to conyers. if this was the route the robbers took the fastest direct route they could have taken. >> once in conyers they were clearly going somewhere. we are told the location, a residence by authorities. at some point they would have been on residential streets like this one. 34 hours after being abducted ivani is recovered here in conyers. somewhere. we know it was a residence. they took two men into custody. one described as a career felon. the other a mexican national. the men don't match the two in the police sketches. those robbers, the route we believe they took that we showed you, they may be at large still. ivani perez is somewhere safe tonight with her family. >> this hour a manhunt. for the latest live to jonathan
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syrie. >> first the good news. 14-year-old ivani perez is home safe this evening. here in this neighborhood this evening when residents saw a caravan of cars, one with welcome home balloons approaching her driveway the they came out to wish her well. she was smiling and looked relieved. >> she looked are laxed to me. she was shaken up. she looked tired but not shaken up, you know. she looked pretty nice. pretty good. >> ivani was abducted early tuesday morning. her mother said two men broke into the home demanding money and jewelry. she said shh had none. one han shot the family dog and the pair abducted her daughter. 34 hours later police found the girl at a residence in conyers east of atlanta and they arrested 29-year-old willdrago jackson of atlanta on a charge of conspiracy to commit
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kidnapping and 40-year-old juan alberto contreras rodriguez of mexico on immigration charges. the two men are separate from the two abductors the mother described to police. authorities are still looking for the men in the police sketches. they say there may be more arrests in connection with the case. here's where it gets complicated. my colleague george franko of fox 5 atlanta reports that police sources tell him the kidnapping vip's mother maria coral was arrested in a marijuana sting last year along with one of the kidnapping suspects who is already in custody. the mexican national juan contreras rodriguez. charges against the mother in the marijuana sting were dropped. the girl when you look at the kidnapping case, the girl is home but the investigation continues. >> thank you. for more on how police rescued
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the kidnapped teen and what they know about us the suspect major johnny robinson joins us. good evening. >> good evening. >> my colleague reported the mother of the kidnap victim may have been arrested with ron alberto rodriguez. what can you tell me ? >> at this point the investigation is ongoing. we have not done any criminal backgrounds. that will come later. we don't know if there are arrests she 's been involved in. the main focus has been finding the young girl and a majority of our concentration has been focused on that. >> who are you looking for tonight? we are looking at the two suspects. we are looking for both suspects. we are asking citizens of
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clayton county and metro atlanta and anywhere else if they have information on the two suspects to please contact your local police department or if you are in i clayton county, contact the police department. it is imperative we get these suspects off the streets. >> what did ivani say went on after she was taken from her home? was she treated well? did she give you information about her kidnappers, what they said, any sort of connection at all? >> without giving up too much because we are looking for the suspects she was treated fine. didn't show indications of being harmed. she said she basically did get some sleep. than that she was treated fine. >> did she say she knew her kidnappers? >> no. she didn't know the kidnappers. >> she had never seen them before or anything? that was brand new to her? >> yes.
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at this point she had never seen these individuals. we are still looking for two more. >> did the mother say why her home was targeted for this invasion. >> she was inside asleep when she heard someone trying to come in the back door. there was no indication. >> was there breaking and entering or do you think the kidnappers were let into the home? >> the kidnappers forced their way in through a back door. the mother tried to get the kids in a closet. she was able to get them in the closet. at that point the suspects entered the home, came upstairs and found them. once the dog started barking, one of the suspects shot the dog. at that point grabbed the child and took her.
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this is a fox news alert. new documents ex posing what top officials knew about the irs targeting scandal and exposing when they knew it. jim jordan joins us. >> good to be with you. >> what is the new information you have? >> the administration said all along we didn't find out until may of this year when lois lerner gave her speech. jay carney said we learned when the inspector general unveiled his audit. we have documents now -- and we didn't get them from the irs. they are dragging their feet. we got them from the inspector
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general. we have documents may 30, 2012, a year ago. due to the sensitivity we are providing information identified during the planning of the audit. they briefed doug schulman, steve miller, the top people at irs and said this. exempt organizations director lois lerner was informed of criteria that specifically targeted applications using the words tea party, patriots and 912 project. may of 2012. >> just on the timeline, five months before the 2012 election. >> no kidding. we would have liked to know the information. >> and this is the phony scandal. the president is quite demeaning about it. continue. >> president said he didn't know about it. no one in his administration uh knew until spring. irs was briefed in may.
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more important ly we have an e-mail from michael phillips to russell george, the inspector general. he says this, you asked for this information for the secretary's meeting on monday. treasury secretary tim geithner. there is a meet ing held on monday, june 4, 2012. very first bullet point. briefing for treasury, greta. says this. applications for tax exempt status. certain organizations were targeted based on the organization's name or political beliefs. right there. we think the treasury secretary himself was in the meeting. we think the idea. uh you knew in june of 2012. don't give us this phony scandal stuff. oh, shazam, we didn't find out
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until lois lerner gave her speech and the inspector genre elised the audit. people knew in the spring of last year. >> this is hard to get these documents. we are learning more. were the lawyers involved? >> the irs at the treasury. lawyers knew? >> oh, yeah . general counsel for the irs. >> i would are fer it to the bar. >> great idea. >> the bar will do an investigation. when the bar is all over you, i would rather have the police chase me ethan the bar. >> let's be honest. treasury secretary geithner, secretaries meeting on monday. it is called the secretary's briefing. let 's get tim geithner. >> subpoena geithner. >> i'm with you. >> get him in front of the committee and ask him under oath. did you know about this in june. if you did, why didn't you say something? >> will the speaker go with it.
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you don't correct a problem. they used the term sensitivity. >> i would comb his prior testimony to see if he should have answered that the question specifically . under oath to see if it called for that. anyway. thank you. >> thank you, greta. >> it gets worse for the irs if you can believe it. usa today uncovering new documents. targeting groups that used anti-obama rhetoric or emotional statements and one of the groups, the association to reduce the national debt. the founder joins us. good evening, sir. you believe your group was targeted? >> our group -- the name of the group appeared in the list. that's the information we are receiving. that's my understanding, yes . >> what is your group? >> we are the association to reduce the national debt. we are a group of citizens
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concerned about our nation and the future and the welfare of the economy for future generations. we wanted to get together. just to let the leaders of the country know we are concerned about the debt situation. we would like them to get action to pay attention to this and correct our financial path. >> is there any sort of indication, any sort of records you have that the irs lawyers, not just employees but the irs lawyers who are aware of the fact that you had been targeted? >> i don't have specific information other than the fact that typically according to the irs website, cases are assigned within six months. my application has been pending over two years. i didn't hear from the irs until the it broke on the news immediate i can't. they haven't really contacted me at all.
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>> i applied in june 2011. i haven't heard anything yet. >> it's a cumbersome application to get tax exempt status. i assume it takes hours. >> the process is very long. if i recall correctly the irs's own document, the form anticipates 40 hours to complete the document which we did and tried to be very transparent about what we were doing. clearly it falls under tax exemptions. >> have you ever published anti-obama rhetoric with inflammatory language or used, quote, emotional statements? >> absolutely not. we have been careful to avoid statements toward one side or the other or any other side. >> >> so you think you have been unfairly targeted by the irs?
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>> i don't know. in over two years it's unusual. particularly for such a simple application. it's highly suspect, i would say. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you very much. >> coming up, colorado flood waters forcing thousands from their homes. now warnings of a new danger. the latest, live from colorado next. ♪ 'take me home...' ♪ 'i'll be gone...' ♪ 'in a day or...' man: twooooooooooooooooo! is that me, was i nging? vo: not paying for scheduled maintenance feels pretty good. no-charge scheduled maintenance now on every new volkswagen. that's the power of german engineering see who does good work and compare costs.
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describe it. >> greta, it's -- i hate to disappoint you. this is the quiet est night at the boulder municipal airport in a week. we have quiet winds. it was interesting today. the sheriff announced there is a list of missing that went from hundreds down to four today. we have turned the corner in boulder county. so success fful we are sending some of the helicopters back to bases at fort carson. we are probably going to send the rest home tomorrow. they will be on alert at fort carson but no longer located at the municipal airport. most of the high clearance vehicle s from the national guard. we had 45 here at one time. we are dropping down to six here in boulder. we actually don't anticipate we'll need to use the equipment tomorrow. >> you don't disappoint me.
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you did the opposite. the best news i have heard all day. i have been looking at pictures of colorado and i spent time in new orleans for hurricane katrina. i have seen how mean water can be. that's the best news i have heard. we had six people die is the loss of life number. i i'm surprised there weren't more. this is great news. i'm happy to hear it. people ready to go. home, the ones that can go home. >> in boulder county, the west in general , i can't tell you how many are in the shelters now. so many people had relatives and other friends and family. people are being well taken care of. the first responders from the military, we're happy to be here.
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we are being told to go home. this is the highest calling we could be doing in the national guard in the military. serving in the homeland taking care of our citizens. >> i have seen it many times and the national guard is terrific. i know what you mean about how it is the highest calling. it's fun. everybody i know who gets a chance the to work and help like that walks away from it saying what a great experience it's been. good news in colorado. it's getting better. thank you very much. thank you to your colleagues out there. thank you, sir. >> i will pass it on. thanks. straight ahead, senator rand paul has a secret weapon. what is it and will he use it to get to the white house? find out next. sit down with yo. hanging out with this guy. he's just the love of my life. [ male announcer ] getting to know you is how we help you choose the humana medicare plan that works best r you. mi familia. ♪ [ male announcer ] we want to help you achieve your best health, so you can keep doing the things that are important to you. keeping up with them.
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>> greta: okay everyone it's time to hash it out. new buzz about the 2016 presidential race. senator paul tweeting vogue reveals my secret weapon. snagging a profile piece in the october issue but it's wife, kelly ashby stealing the spotlight, "vok voeg" calling her charming and we asked your thoughts on the interview.
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here is what you had to say. tweeting must be a psychopath to sit there with a straight face, could be a great poker player. and not sure what to believe, my family in syria wants him to stay in power. and andy tweeting pinocchio. and no more guns in starbucks guns not welcome in stores but stopped short of wan banning them altogether, taking up ads saying guns are no longer welcome in their cafes saying the chain is not antigun, noting customers carrying a gun will be still served. twitter lighting up with the stance on guns here is what some of you posted. penny tucker tweeting if people don't like it they zront to get coffee there and michael hill tweeting how is unwelcome anything other thn a ban? does this include cops? and
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marie tweeting great, now only criminals will have guns and will know just where to go. and this is what we call a great escape. huffington post tweeting if this dog's name isn't hue deany, it should be. the dog's owner set up a camera trying to figure out how the dog kept going out. the video racking up hundreds of thousands of views in one day. that is a clever canine. now, it's your time to hash it out with us. coming up, negotiator or master manipulateor? you want to see it tonight. you will, next.
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she took an early spring break thanks to her double miles from the capital one venture card. now what was mrs. davis teaching? spelling. that's not a subject, right? i mean, spell check. that's a program. algebra. okay. persons a and b are flying to the bahamas. how fast will they get there? don't you need distance, rate and... no, all it takes is double miles. [ all ] whoa. yeah. [ male announcer ] get away fast with unlimited double miles from the capital one venture card. you're the world's best teacher. this is so unexpected. what's in your wallet? >> greta: she may only be in preschool but the un may want to hire her, take a look how she negotiate was her father
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to buy her a toy. >> adella you have 14 or 15 at home. you don't need more my little ponies. >> i do. >> no. you don't. >> yes, i do. >> why? >> because. >> because why? >> because -- . >> what if i told you we're not getting anything today? >> it's -- if we don't get any hoarseys i won't be able to love you anymore. >> you won't love me anyone? >> i'll only be able to love my mom? >> that is it. you're not going to love me anymore because i'm not going buy you any my little ponies? >> yes. only mommy. >> you're only going to love mommy? you're making me sad. >> that is why i only like mommy now. >> greta: that is your last call.
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we're closing down shop. thank you for being with us tonight. october 7th, 7:00 p.m. eastern. until then, good night from washington. fair, balanced and unafraid. the o'reilly factor son tonight. >> the ar 16 thats with a used today, you have seen the damage that this weapon can do. >> how does a guy walk into a facility like that with an ar-15, a double-barreled shotgun and a handgun. >> bill: once again, the media attacking the right to bare arms and using mass murder to do so. this time the liberal press got it very wrong. we will show you what happened. >> what is the worst thing you have heard your mommy say? >> can i say it? >> yes. >> [bleep]. >> a new study says that american w aggressive than american men when put under strain. uh-oh. we will talk about it with kirsten powers. >> arizona is abandoning the run. no huddle throw and
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