us. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. greta is standing by tonight to go live "on the record." see you tomorrow night. thanks for being with us. >> tonight, well, vacation is over and the gloves are off. >> while the president is happy to negotiate with vladimir putin, he won't engage with the congress on a plan with the deals b for the deficit that threatens our economy. >> i will tell you what we aren't going to do. we are not going to blink. you can't be held hostage. you can't have someone put a gun to your head and say we'll do horrible things unless you give in. >> you are saying you won't even negotiate with republicans on the issue. how is that tenable? >> john, who has the power to raise the debt ceiling? >> well -- >> who has the power to raise the debt ceiling? >> the congress -- >> who has the power to raise the debt ceiling. >> -- have put forward a plan. call it ridiculous or whatever, but they have a plan --

>> congress has the power to raise the debt ceiling. >> republicans have no interest in defaulting on debt. we want to find a way to pay it off. >> this is playing with fire. legislative arsonists are at work when they start using the debt limit. >> it sounds like chuck schumer has been playing too many violent vid owe games. >> obamacare is dead, dead. a waste of time, as i said before. >> obamacare is driving up the cost of health care. destroying american jobs. >> it is a train wreck. house republicans have showed the courage they are showing now that they continue to stand up. the house is the one branch of government they have a majority. >> speaker boehner even re-elised a web video blasting president obama for negotiating with the russian president but not his own congress.

>> the president has been clear. he's not negotiating on the debt limit. >> what i will not do is have that yeg nation. >> our position is un equivocal. we won'ting negotiate with republicans in congress. ♪ >> he will certainly meet with -- >> i can discuss this with president putin. this is not new. i have been discussing it with putin for some time now. >> karl rove joins us. nice to see you. >> great to be here. >> the gloves are off. first we have the speaker boehner clip. then jay carney said boehner has putin envy. >> we'll ignore that childish comment from jay carney. let's roll it back to to 2006. the president has a fundamental problem. in 2006 he led an effort in the senate to not raise the debt ceiling saying that any president asking for an increase in the debt ceiling displayed a

failure of leadership. he wanted to defund the iraq war. he attempted to stop the war by leading the effort against raising the debt ceiling. he was supported by senator schumer who we just saw. when the american people get lectureded on why we should raise the debt ceiling without any offsets on spending or when we get lectured by senator schumer how it is wrong not to raise the debt ceiling just remember they were on the opposite side of this not long ago. >> president obama referred to it as extortion by congress. back in 2006 it wasn't extortion when he did it. it was something else. >> he was trying to end the war. the republicans are saying we will give you the debt ceiling increase but we want you to give us and the american people something in return. they are asking for a dollar for dollar offset.

if you are raising the debt ceiling for the next year then offset it by spending reductions and en titlement spending over the next decade. that's a reasonable formula which the president has agreed to in a previous debt ceiling vote. >> i think the american people -- if i can be so bold to speak to them, they have now seen the debt ceiling fight over 40 times in the last 30 years. there have been agreements. some have been fight it is last two times. this time and the time before. i bet the american people think when they have spending problems at home they reached the top of their visa or american express and they tighten the belt. they don't call up visa and say, put another $5,000 on it. or not twice because they are worried they can't pay. >> we have two votes. one is the debt ceiling vote itself. we adopt a budget resolution and passed the 12 appropriations

bills that determine how much the government will spend. em bed ed in each of those is how much we are taking in, how much we are spend ing. if we are taking in less than we are spend ing then we are adding to the debt. each one of those in a way is a vote on the debt. >> do you think the democrats who are oppose ed to the idea of spending cuts with the debt ceiling, do you think they are not words to the long-term effect of getting deeper in debt or do they think it will stimulate the economy so there will be more tax receipts so we won't spend much and that will bring it down? >> it could be a variety ever of things. my fundamental view is they are not aster identified by public debt being as large as it is compared to our economy. today, by the end of the year it will be roughly 70 -- the public debt of the united states, that part of the debt that's been securitized in the form of a bond and sold to somebody with our name on it, we the people of

the united states will pay you back your money. in the meantime we'll pay interest. that will be equal to 73% of gdp which is higher than economists like. it will roughly stabilize in the next year or so and then start climbing again. in the next 24 year it is congressional budget office said within the next 25 years the public debt of the united states will be larger than the economy. that puts us in greece. that the puts us in all of the terrible economies that have gone belly-up. the president's budget and the senate democrats called for that. if you look behind the battle on spending and you look behind the battle on the debt ceiling the democrats want to spend $1, $1,058,000,000. democrats, republicans and the president all signed off. $92 billion in the next year doesn't sound like a lot but if you follow it over the ten years

what that does to the budget is republicans would spend roughly $40 billion plus. and balance the budget ten years from now. the budget would get increasingly more into balance and finally go into the black. the democrat budget would spend $46 billion. i mean $46 trillion. add a trillion in spending. never balance the budget and the deficit gets bigger. >> so the economic consideration there and the long-term economic and dumping the debt on future generations and also the problem as we become weaker is we lose diplomatic muscle. we look pathetic. not determined, strong, on the right path. imagine this. what would happen to our interest costs if we were not the reserve currency, what would

happen p if people didn't have confidence in the american economy and america's ability to manage affairs and said we are no longer going to give a pref ren shallow interest rate. if we buy your debt we'll make you pay the world price. our debt costs would be much larger than they are today. >> let me turn to defunding obama care. the house is no doubt going to sebd to the senate a bill which has a continuing resolution of spend to pay for government for a period of time. temporary period of time. also d fund obama care. that will go over to the senate. when it gets to the senate there is a question. yesterday senator ted cruz said the democrats won and they would then -- he would throw in the towel and it went bablg to the senate, the house minus the defunding aspect to it. today he says he'll filibuster. >> oh, let's look at that. i came with a white board. >> love that. >> here's the schedule. the house will pass the bill

this week. providing for the funding of the government and defunding obama care. the senate will take it up on monday and reid will invoke the cloture rule which says in order to proceed we need 60 votes. that has to lay out for a day. on tuesday they will conduct other business because that motion has to ripen. wednesday they will take up the house bill. haes what conservatives and defund advocates want. with obama care stripped out of government. no funding on the discretionary side or the mandatory side. reid will do what's called fill the tree. he'll decide what amendments will be considered to the measure. then a vote on whether or not you take it up. this is what we'll filibuster is right here. he'll filibuster taking up the bill that passed the house that he supports. once you have that vote on

cloture it requires only 51 votes to amend or pass it. he'll have to filibuster the me sure wae want passed. that doesn't make much sense. i admire people who say, i want to kill obamacare. i want to but you have to have a strategy with an end game where you can make it work. we're going to end up having senator cruz filibuster the bill he would like signed into law. >> the house republicans are hot under the collar. we have an interview coming up with majority leader cantor. they are hot under the collar that cruz tried to do something symbolically and not fold. >> one of the members said, thanks, the senate told us they would be happy to hold our coat and let us do the fighting. the comment yesterday that reid had votes in the senate and it was important for the house to stay strong says, hey, house, take it upon yourself to be

responsible for the government shutting down october 1. this shutdown will be different than any before. compare it to # 5. 17 of the 13 had been signed into law by bill clinton. the majority of the government, the ones covered by six bills that were not passed represented a norm of government spend ing and they had enough money to tide them over. clinton wanted to cut a bill. his object was i'm not going to try to make it difficult. let's find a way to get it done while we work out the details of bringing it to a close. this time around, not a single one of the 12 appropriations bills they now have has been passed. there will be no money for the federal government for any part

of the federal government which means the first week of october not a single federal employee including the military families will get a paycheck. >> this is so much bigger -- much bigger shutdown. >> clinton was saying let's make h this work. obama will be saying, let's make this as bad as possible so i can blame the republicans. to him this is not about governing. it's setting up the 2014 midterm elections. >> do you think we'll go to a shutdown? >> no. i think it will be hard for senator cruz to do a filibuster. we'll be running out of time but they will look for a stop-gap measure while the republicans try to put the delay of obamacare b into the debt court of appeal ing which has more time. that vote has more time. >> it it uh must be unappealing to the american people. they don't want the government to shut down, but they have to keep doing stop-gaps. the rest of ous complete work and get things done. >> last time we passed a full

year's budget roughly in time for the fiscal year was in 2007 for fy-08. the last time the government pass add budget for a half a fiscal year was in 2008 for fy-09. the democrats said we don't want to fight in the middle of the presidential election . bush, we eel take your stupid budget at the low numbers. when we have a democratic president we'll plus it up. every year since then we have passed budgets by continuing resolutions. we haven't had a senate budget resolution in five years until this year. the house has passed a budget resolution. the framework to discuss a budget. but the senate didn't pass it until this year. >> in the event senator cruz does filibuster, then what happens? >> first of all, he would have to get 16 members of the senate to sign a letter with him to support a filibuster -- i'm sorry. that's for cloture.

he can filibuster as long as he can stay on his feet. will he be joined by senator lee, marco rubio and others? at some point you will run out of energy and have to vote on the measure and the senate will strip out the house measure and send it back. >> karl, thank you. now to tonight's hot t button issue. if there is a shutdown will you blame house republicans, senate democrats or president obama? go to gretawire.com now and vote. straight ahead house majority leader eric cantor has a stern message for marco rubio, ted kruds and mike lee. what does he tell them to do and why? he's on the record next. and an interview you will only see here. the retired navy lieutenant wrongfully identified as a navy artillery of 12. that story is. cog up. plus is condoleezza rice applying for an nfl coaching job? she was caught on tamara at

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that is in need of oh help will get it. what it also says is the dignity of job is what things should be about b in these programs. in fact, going back to 1996 when republican congress worked with president bill clinton, they overhauled the welfare program and instituted a work requirement. that's what it does. what it says is if you are able-bodied you should be willing to work. not that you have to have a job because there are many parts of the country that don't have jobs. but that you could go, participate in community service activities, work fair program. again, most people would say, no, i don't want a life of dependency. i want to get back to work. >> does the bill lower the eligibility? >> the critical piece of the house action today had to do with the work rierm. it said because what's happened since 2009, president obama has

essentially issued nationwide waivers to the work requirements. that was what uh allowed the 1996 welfare re form to be so successful. people came off the welfare rolls because they were back in productive mode. we are not saying there shouldn't be a safety net. there certainly should be. this is all about, frank ily, able-bodied people going back to work. think about it. if somebody is abusing the system or if somebody somehow gets used to a life of dependency, how is it fair for the working middle class of the country to have overtime, to work two jobs to pay for that? >> the fairness is to help people. >> it will run into a fight in the senate. let me turn now to the question of the debt ceiling. in the house, i assume there will be an effort to defund

obama care as part of the deal. president obama said he won't negotiate. in fact speaker boehner has an ad out today. in the senate, senator cruz originally said it uh would pass the continued resolution would pass and he wasn't going to filibuster to fight it. he changed his mind. where do we stand? >> let's step back. what we are trying to do initially is pass a temporary spending bill so we can hammer out a budget. we are trying to keep spend ing down. the problem is all about spending. frankly we are at a point we could be entering the second year of oh reduction at the discretionary level of government spending. that's the second year. it hasn't happened since the korean war. >> what's the story with snar cruz? there was a suggestion, a feud between senator cruz and the house republicans.

>> they have said they will do anything they can to stop obamacare. i support them in their efforts to do so. we have given them what we want. this bill is coming to them. i support the fact that they will leave no stone unturned to stop this bill and to stop obamacare. >> that's a message to them they better filibuster. >> they have said that. i support that effort . house republicans since 2009 have been leading the charge to stop obamacare. you know, we have said all along this bill will raise health care prices. it will be bad for jobs. we are seeing our economy is turning into a part-time job. because of the bill. we have to stop it. we are doing what we can in the house to do so. i know that we are all joining in support with the senators. that they will do anything they can to stop obamacare. >> either they will lose or not

fight it. that bill will come back clean meaning the continued resolution comes back minus the provision to defund obamacare. then what? >> let's not assume anything here. the senators and republicans have decided that they are going to do anything they can. i support it. i don't think we should bet against them. this put it is democrats like kay hagan in north carolina and mark pryor in arkansas and mark begich in alaska and senator landrieu in louisiana in a tough position. obamacare has huge impacts in those states. these are democratic senators up for re lek. let's see how they respond. they have to be held to account for obamacare. >> we'll get the chance to see what happens. it's nice to soo you. thank you. >> pleasure. >> coming up, congressional republicans accuse the state department of playing hide and

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board. >> i am issuing subpoenas because the state department didn't make those people available. it is now hiding be hihind a criminal investigation. >> if the president's child were in benghazi would the rescue attempt have been more aggressive? >> i see the bloody fingerprints crawling down the wall of the benghazi place and i keep asking everybody, do those belong to my son? >> congressman chafitz joins us. >> good to be here. >> there was a report last week. it's clear the republicans on the committee were dissatisfied with the accountability review board study. i'm curious why you had a hearing today. why not jump right out and subpoena these people you want to talk to instead of the board. >> well, the democrats have long held that this accountability review board was exhaustive. it really should be the finish line. it feels to us like maybe we are

coming up on halftime. that really we have so much more ground to cover. thgs a legitimate way to have the discussion. but there is no accountability in the report nor was the responsibility out there. the accountability and review board, the review wasn't complete. >> who's been subpoenaed? chairman issa subpoenaed two people. i like subpoenas. it gets people to the spot and you can ask questions. >> they are region al security officers that were in libya. one associated with benghazi and tripoli. we want them before the committee. >> what do you want -- communication that is night? >> we want the truth. >> there were 30 people on the ground and we haven't talked to one. they can lay the foundation.

the administration is making it slow but we'll plow forward and the public has to hear and certainly the families have to hear from people on the ground. >> what was the explanation? apparently before the arb came out with the report they met with cheryl mills, chief of staff to then secretary clinton. i think they let her see a draft report. then there was a briefing with the state department. were they hired by the state department or is it tipping off the state department? >> the statute says the secretary of state will appoint this. uh they made great strides. such great length s to say it was independent. independent? then why are you calling and informing secretary clinton's chief of staff. >> what's the explanation for it? >> there was none. jim jordan did a great job

grilling admiral mullen. >> he said what? >> at one point admiral mullen sits in an an interview where charlene lamb didn't do well. he picks up the phone and says tell cheryl mills, hey, charlene lamb who will testify before congress, that might be a problem for you. >> if everyone came back under subpoena and answered the questions it could end. this is like pulling teeth. good to see you. >> thanks, greta. >> now an interview you will only see here. raleigh chance was wrongfully named by cbs and nbc as the navy yard killer of 12. imagine that. good to see you, sir. >> thank you for having me. >> it is deplorable the networks did this. next time it could be my mistake. so i understand it, but they

need to pay for what they did to you. >> okay. >> how did you first learn about the shooting? >> i received a phone call from the media. said basically that do you know rollie chance. they didn't realize they were talking to rollie chance. they went on to tell many -the perpetrator. then they were asking me how i was are elated to rollie chance. i clearly told them 100%. i guarantee you rollie chance didn't have nothing to do with this. >> was that the first you heard of the shooting? >> y . >> you'd go home? >> personally, i was with my daughter. next thing, the fbi showed up to question. we went through it for an hour and a half, two hours. >> search warrant? >> yes, ma'am.

they searched my home. >> at some point did they say, we don't suspect you anymore. >> they left it open. they said, okay, well, thank you for answering the questions. uh i never heard from them after that. >> you know this was reported on cbs and nbc? >> i know now. at the time, the first time i heard about it was the phone call, then the fbi started questioning me. i never -- >> did anyone say -- if i made the mistake i deeply would have regretted it. but they wronged you. did anyone like a neighbor, friend or anyone say, hey, is

rollie the killer? >> no. no one asked many that question. >> i googled your name. do you know what picture comes up with your name? >> yes, i do. >> yes, i to. a perpetrator affidavit perpetrator, alex. >> how do you feel? >> i feel my world was tied upside down. now i'm left with trying to put it back together. thinking about my family, how it would impact my family. i'm upset. i feel that i was wronged. >> you were 24 years in the navy. >> yes. i served 24 years. discharged honorably. >> as i said, i can tell you, they called to apologize. cbs and nbc called? >> no one has called and apologized to me yet.

>> they need to as they write you a big check . the media makes mistakes sometimes. next time it could be my misnation's capital. it's libel when you accuse someone of a crime falsely. they need to call you and do right by you. >> thank you. >> for your family. i have met your wife out there. i know it's hard on you. do you know what the worst of many things is? his face is on the internet with your name. it lasts forever. someone googles the mass killer, massacre. they put in your name and find the killer. nbc and cbs need to get google to fix that so you are not for eternity trashed that way. thank you. good luck, sir. >> thank you. >> senator john mccain blasting president putin and the russian media. payback for putin blasting the united states in the new york

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russian president putin outraging americans with his "new york times" op-ed now senator john mccain getting even in a russian online publication. we spoke with john mccain a short time ago. senator, nice to see you. >> thank you, greta. i look forward to seeing you in your new time slot. maybe el get more rest now. >> indeed. we all will. we are thrilled. the staff loves me as a consequence now. >> for a change. >> exactly. i tell you who doesn't love you. you took the skin off president putin in your op-ed online. control of the media. did you leave anything out? >> if i didn't leave anything out, it's because i didn't think of it. look, by the way, there are two

pravdas. one is online and the other is the old line communist one who said they wouldn't print mine because i didn't adopt their position on syria . i was pleased they published online. i was glad vladimir putin not only said i was wrong but he invited me to a discussion club in moscow. i will have to look at it and maybe take him up on the invite. >> let that's beyond me how it can happen. you described it here first of all by the editor described it as an active anti-russian politician for years. you basically just ripped the skin off putin. off of him. i'm not saying he doesn't desefb it. >> what's going on in russia is outrageous. ranging from the jailing of some young women who did something pretty rude to the magnetski

issue situation where a man who was a re former was basically killed in prison. there is not a media outlet not owned by the government in russia. the repression and even killing of some dissidents is rampant. they are violators of human rights. we need to realize who we are dealing with here. an old kgb colonel. that's what he is. he wants to stay in power for life. >> the irony is he's now sort of the peacenik. stops u.s. the targeted strikes in syria. >> now thanks to this incredible bungling he's the ash tor of peace in the middle east. he's inserted russia -- and the 16th world's largest economy. but he's now made russia

relevant and impactful in the middle east in a way they haven't been since 1973. he's now supposedly going to tehran to broker a peace deal there. i can hardly wait to see what that looks like. >> secretary kerry spoke today. your thoughts about what h had to say? >> secretary kerry said that he wanted things done and there is no fooling around. there is no delays, et cetera. we are hearing two things. assad is moving around his chemical weapons. he's moving them this a lot of ways. also, they are not going to make the first deadline. the first deadline was this saturday. at the time kerry said they must submit within a week, not 30 days. in one week a comprehensive

listing. no games, no room for avoidance or full compliance. today the state department spokesperson said our oh goal is to see forward momentum by saturday. not the full list. quote, we never said it was a hard and fast deadline. which is it? again on this credibility issue if i could mention this. today vladimir putin said we have every reason to believe that it was -- mean ing the gas attack that killed 1400 people. we have every reason to believe it was a provocation, a sly and ingenious one. we are dealing with people who still won't acknowledge that bashar assad, despite overwhelming evidence that he was responsible for the attack. how much should we trust the russians when they still say that? by the way, they have also made

it clear that if assad fails to comply and we go to the united nations, they will still ve to a resolution. >> have we been had or is it even though it doesn't look particularly good it's worth a try to work within this framework? >> where we are now, obviously we should try it where we are now. for the first time in history, the president of the united states said he would take military action and then said but he was going to congress. if he said, i want to take military action and i will get the en dormt of congress. that's one thing. to say you are going to act and then not, that's the old napoleon lie. if you say you are going to take vienna, take vienna. we ended up in a casual remark by the secretary of state secretary of staabout how they must grab the chemical weapons by sergey lavrov rov. now we are where we are.

one aspect we know already, theres's been no punishment. no punishment. in other words, bashar assad crossed the red line, gassed up 1400 people, 400 of them children. there has been no re tall united nations. maybe some will say getting ahold of his chemical weapons stock is retaliation. i'm not sure. they are taking the appropriate lesson in tehran and in israel and in pyongyang and all over the world. one of the leading middle east rulers, one of the most influential ones just made plans for a visit to moscow. and of course now we hear vladimir putin is going to tehran b to be the peacemaker there. this is really turning into an orwellian experience. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> straight ahead, former

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>> greta: 11:00 is almost here, time for last call. it started as a prank now has nearly three million hits on you tube. a group of friends plumbing a friend's house to pop out beer instead of water. >> okay. >> i can feel the beer cooling

already. >> a tap goes there? >> yes. probably. >> oh! >> greta: what did the victims think? well, his reaction caught on camera. >> what the hell? >> it's cold beer coming out! >> oh, my god! >> that is definitely beer coming out. >> greta: sure didn't seem upset, did he? thank you for being with us

tonight make sure you go to gretawire.com and vote in polls. don't forget, october 7th, 7:00 p.m. eastern big night here on "on the record". good night. smith. for now give me six seconds to factor. "the factor" is on. tonight. >> i think the guns are right there next to theirttles. i'm not sure which they find more important to them. >> once again, the far left demonizing republicans as fundamentalists who cannot think clearly. this is part of some warfare in washington is getting almost hysterical. we'll tell you what's going on. take a look at this cartoon by another far left guy who tries to push an agenda off the navy yard massacre. we'll have thoughts on that. also tonight, laura ingram on cyber bullying. adam corolla on a 9/11 desecration in vermont. and an