good job, maria. >> we're the champions. >> we can't even -- >> pete, thank you very much. >> head hung in defeat. >> navy s.e.a.l. scott taylor in the after the show show with anna. have a great weekend. >> they will be cleaning up all weekend. >> i think so. >> good morning. buckle up now. the spending showdown could be a bumpy ride. welcome to america's newsroom. we have a lot to get to when it comes to spending and obamacare. off we ego. >> good morning. the action in the house gets under way any minute. they will debate a bill that would fund the government but would slash funding for obamacare. the democrats in the white house say they can forget about the plan. >> with no agreement the government runs out of money in october. only ten days away. this is a calendar we'll watch. republicans calling for the win. democrats say not a chance.

>> we'll deliver a big victory. i expect my senate colleagues to be up for the battle. >> this is a moment for republicans to unite. for every senate republican to stand shoulder to shoulder with the gentleman here and republicans in the house who have been courageous, doing the right thing. >> in case there is a shred of doubt in the minds of our house counterparts, i want to be crystal clear. any bill that defunds obamacare is dead, dead. >> he's calling it dead on arrival. stuart varney with us. good morning. >> good morning. >> what will the house do this morning? >> it replaces obamacare with a system of tax breaks for people who buy their own insurance. families who buy their own insurance could get tax breaks up to $20,000. it's an alternative plan. it will probably pass the house, as you heard, it goes on to the senate where it will probably die, bill. >> so republicans fund obamacare

and give tax breaks to americans who buy insurance. >> correct. it keep it is government funded, gives an alternate plan to obamacare with tax breaks for people who buy insurance. that's the house plan, voted on. >> i get it. economics in a moment. but the politics, now. will this fly? >> it will fly in the house. i haven't got a vote count for you. it is likely to pass the house, but it won't pass in the senate. that's the political side of things. >> two things to look for. you have the budget battle and obamacare battle. you watch the markets. you see how businesses react . what do they thing will happen regarding a government shut-down? >> the feeling is there will be an agreement at 11:59 p.m. on the eve of the actual shut-down, last -minute deal. no government shutdown. if there is it i will be a partial government shutdown which would be soon lifted. >> topic number two, does obamacare hurt or help after the first of october?

businesses believe obamacare is the bigger threat to the economy than a shutdown of the government. bill: stuart, thank you. 9:15. fbn. you have plenty to go after today. >> yes, sir. bill: have a great weekend. here's martha. martha: it does get complicated. here is the break down how this works. the house is not voting on a budget today. we have not pass ad budget since 2009, if you can believe it. it is one of the main job description items if you're in congress. but they haven't done it. what they're doing is running on a series of temporary spending bills. stopgap measure,, continuing resolutions as they're called and this one is the latest that is up. this time conservatives want to use this stopgap measure as leverage to defund obamacare. they saw this as one of the last opportunities to do so. but a lot of republicans were against anything that would align them or connect them to a government shut down. this week, house speaker john

boehner unveiled a bill he believed would satisfy both sides t would fund the government and strip out the money just specifically for obamacare. the democrats of course did not go tore that. so here we are. even if we get past this deadline deal. this is another shutdown looming around the corner. you have the continuing resolution deal. midpoint next month, october 15, the government will bump up against the debt ceiling again which will have to be raised to pay our bills. you hear that often. the president obviously is very determined to see that go through. there is where the national debt sits, bumping up against $17 trillion. republicans say we have to do spending cuts to raise that level. bill: the push to fund obamacare, some conservatives are saying give it up. karl rove is one of them. what should republicans do.

tweet us @billhemmer or martha maccallum. martha: that is coming up. meanwhile the law that congress is fighting about continues to hit bumps in the road this morning. so "the wall street journal" is reporting a major glitch in the software that has been used to sign people up for the exchanges. here we are just days before this october deadline. the glitch, in the software for obamacare, is affecting 36 states where the federal government will be running these exchanges by itself or along with the states. the problem is that the software can't seem to figure out how much each person or each family would actually have to pay for their coverage. so that's a pretty big item on the list here. also this report today, home depot is now the latest company that says they will end coverage for part-time employees. we've seen this time and time again throughout the past few weeks that will affect 20,000 home depot employees. or 5% of their work r workforce.

they're hardly alone in terms of those who are changing their health plans as they try to prepare themselves for obamacare. as we reported, time warner, ibm, walgreens, ups, trader joe's, hardly small names. these are big american companies that are trying to position themselves to deal with obamacare and it is leaveing a lost folks without the health insurance they knew and liked. then there is this item today as well. the cleveland clinic, a shining example used by the president when he pushed for obamacare, is now blaming its decision to fire many of their employees and to cut $330 million from their budget on their own adjustments to deal with obamacare. mike tobin is outside the clinic cleveland this morning. mike, how are these cuts going to look? >> reporter: well you heard that figure that you just read there, $330 million from the budget from 2014. the cleveland clinic says the last thing they want to do is lay off employees, particularly

long-term employees. they will look to number of solutions. they will streamline the operation. they will look to attrition. they will tell 3,000 employees to take early retirement. ultimately a undetermined number of people here at the clinic will learn they are losing their jobs. the ceo of clinic says this will be a trend that will continue as obamacare simply meanted. >> this is something going on all across the country. every ceo of a hospital i talked to talking about doing the exactly the same thing. >> reporter: now the backbone of the issue is that obamacare doesn't do anything to reduce the cost of operating hospitals or reduce the cost of treating a patient. still with each individual who comes into the hospital you get less revenue. martha? martha: well, president obama as we remember used the cleveland clinic as an example of how quality health care would be the law of the land under obamacare. so how are they react to this? >> reporter: jay carney yesterday said essentially that he didn't know any of the specifics of the impact on the employees here at the cleveland

clinic but he did say that there is no hard, fast, evidence showing that the implementation of the affordable care act is forcing hospitals to shed jobs. >> what i can say there is no data that bears out the assertion that the economy is losing jobs because of the implementation of the affordable care act. >> reporter: dr. cosgrove, the ceo here, disagrees with that. there are a number of factors go into these severe budget cuts. but implementation of the affordable care act is one of them. martha. martha: mike, thank you very much. interesting to seat sound bite from the ceo at the cleveland clinic. he said, i'm no different than any other ceo across the country because we're trying to figure out how we cut costs in order to deal with a lot of big question marks. bill: look at panel we put up with all the american companies doing this the cleveland clinic is about as good as you can get with health care in the world. they are doing such great work at that place. some 43,000 employees.

thousands will be fired as a result of this law? we're stepping into a whole new area here. martha: tough medicine. sure is. bill: back to that next year. we have a great panel coming up on that. dr. marc siegel reacts as well. 3-year-old boy fighting for his life. one of 13 victims shot in a park in chicago. it happened again. what in the world is going on in the windy city and why can't the police and mayor get a handle on it? martha: cutting billions from the food stamp program as welfare rolls explode. why is this fight so controversial? we'll talk about that. bill: why this image may speak volumes. democrats at a hearing go for the door as a mother speaks of the grief of her lost son and the search for answers in the benghazi attack. more than one year after her son and three americans were killed. >> it has been, i hate to put it in the record but it has been pure hello, living through all this. and not getting any answers.

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martha: so did you see this? former house majority leader tom delay speaking out after a texas appeals court, after all these years, overturned his criminal conviction for illegally funneling money to republican candidates. they cite ad lack of evidence in that case. last night on "hannity", delay said his conviction was politics in his opinion, pure and simple. >> i'll tell you that is what the left does to be honest with you. if they can't beat you on the political arena, then they come to try to defeat you personally and try to completely destroy you, bankrupt you, put you in a grave and dance on your grave. that's what they do. i told people today, they said, this is a huge burden lifted off your shoulders. i told them i didn't have a burden on the shoulders. i gave my burden to the lord. he carried it and i didn't have to. martha: interesting, right? prosecutors plan to appeal the decision and on it goes. bill: the hammer. back on the hill, right? made for a jarring moment

too. pat smith, mother of one of the americans killed in benghazi gives gripping testimony about her son sean, but most of the democrats at hearing were not there. they never came back into the chamber to hear the grieving family members speak. >> nobody from the government has gotten back to me to tell me anything and that's, i mean that by saying anything. and, it's, it's been, i hate to put it in the record, but it has been pure hell living through all this. and not getting any answers. i wanted to be able to put everything beside me and and have everything go away but i can't do that. bill: pat smith was with us last week and she's emotional every time she talks. her only son. stephen hayes, senior writer, "weekly standard", fox news contributor. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: what was behind the

democratic walkout or failure to walk back in after a break? >> i can not imagine, honestly. it was really bad form. obviously they owe it to her to be at least present if not ask questions or help her try to find answers to the questions she still has more than a year after the attacks in benghazi. bill: it is a remarkable thing to see the background when they're during the testimony of her and another gentleman we'll hear in a moment whose son was killed because the room's empty. darrell issa sent out a picture by way of twitter. this shows about a half-filled room which gives you impression people were there. you're saying this was the republican side of the room? >> yeah, i think there were two democrats remaining in the picture darrell issa tweeted out. they sit on either side of the dais. republican side was mostly full. the democratic side was mostly empty. it is a metaphor way people approached benghazi hearing. if you go back to the substantive part of the hearing dealing with the arb report, you had democrats basically

defending the arb report, defending the administration. republicans raising questions and appearing quite skeptical. bill: why don't people cover this? you know, i mean why don't democrats care? why, is this part of the whole phony scandal line? >> i think that's right. i think for democratic partisans that's why. your first question really asked me sort of befuddled. i don't know why people don't cover this i have a theory, if you go back to the time right after the benghazi attacks happened and media decided in effect we'll not cover this because we're in the middle after political environment. this is a presidential election. we don't want this to be political. we don't think it is newsworthy. many of them i think didn't want to ask tough questions of the obama administration. once you make that judgment, that the story is not important at that time, covering later, covering it now suggests that you were wrong in that earlier judgment. i think they were wrong in that earlier judgment. if you were watching hearings

yesterday there was revelation after revelation, after revelation about this arb report, what was covered, what wasn't covered. the way they operated. how independent they were or non-independent as the case may be. bill: they gave leading members of the state department a chance to look at the report. they gave leading members of the state department to appoint people leading investigation. this is charles woods, father of tyrone woods, what he had to say after his son was killed. >> there are people out there that have first-hand knowledge and public testimony is necessary. the voters need to have the truth about benghazi so that the voters can protect the freedom of america. there is some conflict as to whether or not there was a an order to stand down. there are very credible sources that say that ty and five of his

special forces workers were denied three times. bill: those questions ring true for the past year because, we have been asking those around here. what do you think ultimately this hearing showed? what did it prove? >> well, for nine months of the obama administration has been claiming this arb report was both independent and exhaustive and what was very clear from the hearings yesterday and from depositions of the two leaders of that investigation earlier is that it was neither. it wasn't either independent nor exhaustive. as you mentioned, bill, you had the leaders briefing the state department leaders before this report came out. they were giving copies of the report earlier. mike mullen, the vice chairman of the panel, actually called cheryl mills, the chief of staff to hillary clinton because he was concerned that another state department official who was going to appear before congress might not represent the state department well. he was in effect giving pr advice or a head's up, at the same time he is supposed to be investigating these people?

they also didn't look into things lying the talking points, why the video became such a central part of the benghazi story. they didn't do a lot of things that i think most americans would have expected they would have done and what they did do, they weren't independent. bill: that leaves a lot of questions without answers. quickly what happens next then? >> well darrell issa subpoenaed an additional two people who had information about the response that night. i think you have other committees, including intelligence committee looking to talk to survivors. we still don't at this date a year later have any first-hand accounts from the survivors. cia affiliated personnel who were on the ground in benghazi. i think we'll start to get that. bill: steven hayes, thank you. from washington today. we'll see where it goes. martha. martha: the battle to defund obamacare is turning red hot on the hill today with some republicans saying that they think the rest of their party needs to give up on this issue. so should they? a big player in this whole foundation president jim demint, is leading the charge to defund and he will

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bill: some of the headlines right now developing here in "america's newsroom." chicago police searching for a suspect after a shooting last night. at least 13 people were wounded in a chicago park including a 3-year-old boy. listed in critical condition. folks in colorado briefly allowed to go home, what is left of their homes after historic flooding there.

the state death toll rising to seven with three others missing and they are presumed dead. overseas the government in yemen reporting that al qaeda militants killed at least 38 troops and wounded dozens. more in a coordinated attack earlier today outside of the capital city. martha: this is very hot on capitol hill right now. house lawmakers have voted to slash $40 billion over the next 10 years from the nation's food stamp program which you know has grown dramatically over the last five years. this new bill would tighten eligibility requirements which have been dramatically eased under president obama. so this comes in response to a dressic up tick, take a look at the numbers here, in food stamp usage in recent years. you know as you have watched us, talk about this over the last couple of years, there have been really marketing campaigns to encourage people to come into the foot stamp program and it has worked. it has doubled since 2003. yesterday's vote came after an

emotional debate. >> the story of melinda, a cancer survivor and single mother from texas, of hunger. >> there are three unemployed workers for every job out there in our country right now. >> the business community all across america is now changing the rules of employment from 40 hour work weeks to 30 or even 20. and this is happening as a result, directly as a result of the policies of the people who complain most about the middle class not having jobs. martha: steve moore, senior economics writer of "wall street journal" and a fox news contributor. steve, you know, we hear so much on both sides of the aisle about the waste in government and that we need to go through line by line and we need to figure out where the bloating is in some of these programs and yet the attempt to do it is met with, you know, frightening stories about very needy people, of which nobody wants to cut these

benefits off from. >> yeah, martha. we've become food stamps nation. when you said that the benefits have been slashed, let me just correct you on that. they were, they were trimmed. this, it is true $40 billion over the next 10 years. martha that is out of 8 hundred-billion dollar program. so about a 5% reduction. the debate yesterday on capitol hill was as intense and heated as anyone that i have seen in a long time. you saw some of the clips. democrats literally saying that republicans were taking food out of mouths of hungry children. it is interesting, martha. the three reforms that republicans are talking about in this bill, that caused so much ire among democrats. number one, to require food stamp recipients who are able-bodied, who do not have children to either go to work or go into a work-training program. i think most americans would say that makes a lot of sense. number two, to basically make sure that the people who are getting food stamps are

eligible. as you just showed, we have almost 50 million people on this program and there is immense amount of fraud in the program. and, number three, there is a term limit a time limit on how long you can get these benefits before you have to go back to work. i think most americans think those are very reasonable. martha: i think you're probably right. when you list them and you think about what they are and you think about the fact that the president clinton got so much credit for developing the welfare to work program that many democrats seemed to be very positive b it really makes you feel there is a total dysfunction in congress. if you can't get together on something like this, say, look, let's figure out where the waste is in the program. >> right. martha: figure out as you say, able-bodied individuals with no children, no dependents it would be a limited program for them. something to get them through the rough point on their way to getting into worker training program, it seems like a fairly reasonable idea. >> and it is good for people. i mean we want people to get

into jobs, right? martha, we don't want people to stay on the dole and soup lines which is essentially what the food stamps program is. lookings we have very good evidence from what happened in that bipartisan, 1996 welfare reform bill which for the first time did require work. that was signed by bill clinton, a democrat. it was passed in a bipartisan way. and martha, that was one of the great success stories of washington of the last 50 years. we found 60% of former welfare mothers who were collecting welfare got into jobs and they climbed to the economic ladder. isn't that what we want? and i was shocked not a single democrat, not one democrat in the entire house voted for work programs for people who are getting these benefits. we're not saying take the benefits. we're saying work for them. martha: becomes instantly political this discussion. you have people basically branding republicans as heartless. >> yeah. martha: i was listening to another network yesterday. isn't this what we are all about as americans? that we don't want children to

starve? of course we don't want children to starve. >> of course not. martha: nobody wants children to starve, problem is some cases we reported many times the cards are used for all kinds of nefarious things. they're not just putting food on the table for hungry kids. >> martha you could be literally under the new qualifications barack obama set up where they got rid of asset test, you could literally drive up to the welfare office in a porsche and get food stamps. i'm sorry, i have a problem with that you could live in a mansion, million dollar mansion, to get food stamps. because the first thing barack obama did when we passed stimulus bill back in 2009 was that they got rid of a lot of the restrictions on food stamps use. that is one of the reasons it has gone through the roof. i happen to think this is very reasonable. martha: no matter how they screen and figure out what people have and not suggesting people that drive porsches are on them. although maybe we could find -- >> families of children not affected by any of this.

talk about taking food out of the mouths of children is erroneous. no family with children is affected by reforms. martha: steve, thanks for shedding light. see you next time. >> see you soon. bill: what is iran's new president up to? he is talking really nice and friendly. should anyone believe it? ambassador john bolton is on that next. martha: the push to defund obamacare. our next guest says this is a must. heritage foundation president jim demint joins us moments away. don't miss it. >> i don't know what i have to do or karl rove has to do or brad blakeman has to do to tell you not going to happen. so, you know it would be like, and you will identify with this, amy. like msnbc saying you know, at 8:00 we'll beat "the o'reilly factor" next week. it is not going to happen. this man is about to be the millionth customer. would you mind if i go ahead of you? instead we had someone go ahead of him and win fiy thousand dollars.

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will not for political tactical reasons, the republican leadership, speaker boehner and others well know that if the government were shutdown by some kind of defunding, that independents, that the republican party needs to gain in the 2014 elections, would be angry. so it is not going to happen. you must know it is not going to happen. you must know the senate wouldn't go along wit, but you still want to do it. i'm saying to you, just think it is destructive to your cause. martha: all right. with that as jumping off point this morning, leading the charge for defunding, former south carolina senator and current heritage foundation president jim demint. senator, welcome. good to have you hear this morning. >> thank you, martha. good to be with you. martha: bill o'reilly talking to republican tea party representative. what say you sir? >> this is much more than a tea party effort. a large and growing 345 majority

of americans want to stop this government takeover of health care. i hear a lost political calculations like we heard from mr. rove and mr. o'reilly but you rarely hear them talk about you unfair, and how unworkable and how devastating this health care law will be to americans. they're losing their jobs. they're losing their health insurance and people want their voices heard on washington. so it is time for congress and the president to take a time out on this and to stop the implementation of this health care law. martha: well, some have suggested that what republicans should be fighting for is a delay, and that the tactic that they're taking in the house right now is not one that would lead to that. >> well, martha, frankly it's the only way that the president is going to pay any attention to what the house says right now. we've seen that on a lot of things that the house has tried to do and the president is going to cause a show down whether it be on the sequester, whether it be on the debt ceiling or

whether it be on the health care law. the congress is going to need to stand up to this president. he is out of control. he is on pace to double the debt during his time in office. and he is expanding spending at every turn. so if the congress doesn't stand up in some way, this, this president is going to continue to roll all over them. martha: i think a a lot of people listen to you and think that makes a lot of sense and on principle they agree with you 100%. the question turns to what you can do politically and there has been an uprising really in the house over this entire issue because they're ready to go. they got john boehner on board as well saying he would go along with this bill that would defund obamacare. then you go over to the senate side and senator ted cruz who has gotten a ton of attention lately and is potential 2016 presidential candidate basically said it will not pass in the senate. let's pull up, we put together

some of the tweets that went out from house members, who are outraged and they feel like senator cruz bailed on them yesterday. look at some of these. the house send cr to senate that defunds obamacare. senator ted cruz and mike lee refuse to fight and wave the white flag and surrender. we pulled couple more. senate republicans declare defeat before the battle begins? so much for standing up to the american people. what do you think about that? >> martha, we keep hearing someone will win or lose or not win the next election. we need to keep bringing people back to the fact that this law is devastating to america. maybe the most devastating thing in a generation as far as what it does not just to the health care system, our economy, our culture, how we think about ourselves as americans. it is, completely un-american in a lost ways, to, for us as a country to be thinking of government-run health care.

so that's the point. at the heritage foundation we look at the policy. we research what it is going to do to the people of this country and, what, when they say okay, you might lose, we say since when do americans not fight for what's right because they're afraid they might lose? so if there has ever been a time for politicians to take a risk on their next election, it's stopping the government takeover of health care. so this is not about political party, or political calculation. this is about stopping something that is going to hurt our country and hurt millions of americans. martha: i understand where you're coming from. i think a lot of people do looking a the polls. you are with policy foundation. as a role as senator you looked at political side of this as well. are you disappointed with senators cruz and lee in terms of how quickly they backed down on this in the senate? >> i don't think senator cruz or senator lee will ever back down. they're among the most

courageous representatives i've seen. they led a courageous charge across the country. that is what americans want from their representatives regardless of party, people that take their serveses to washington. we know from polls and i know it from being all over the country, americans want this law stopped. they're not worried about the next election. they want the law stopped now before it begins on together 1st which is couple weeks from now. so, we can listen to all the political pundits what might happen if someone take as stand but frankly it is time elected officials stand up for what they promised they would do. martha: senator demint, thank you, sir. good to talk to you today. we'll see where this goes. >> thank you. martha: many thanks. bye-bye. bill: can't believe the cleveland clinic is firing thousands of people in order to maintain patient care at one of the premier medical facilities on the planet! something's not right. martha: we'll talk about that coming up, exactly. bill: in minutes, a bus driver doing something every teenager

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gadget. bill: i think it's a smart thing -- martha: have you waited in line? bill: no. but i want to tell you, i advise people on this, i'm an iphone guy, you wait a couple weeks until all the bugs get worked out. and consumers react and they make changes and you're in. as far as sleeping out, forget it. we've got to work, people! 15 minutes best hour. what is iran's new leader up to only days before he makes his first visit to the united nations as the new iranian leader? here comes the charm offensive. my next guest says he has seen this pray book before. john bolton, former ambassador ox and fox news contributor. good morning. >> good morning, bill. bill: what is this all about. >> rouhani will try to get relief from the economic sanctions and in fact cut a deal with president obama that will essentially legitimatize the iran nuclear program and that will therefore permit iran clandestinely to continue with its nuclear weapons program, in effect now, completely up sewage

lated against the prospect of an american military strike and i have to say with the prospect of an israeli strike, reduced almost to zero because of the pressure that obama will put on israel not to take military action. i think they see -- bill: he is talking nice, right, you know? got this op-ed today in an american newspaper. i mean the charm offensive is in full force here but you're saying -- >> it will work. bill: it will work? in what way? >> this is the p.t. barnum doctrine of foreign policy and application. there's a sucker born every minute. this week the united states is in the starring role. the europeans already signaled they're desperate for a deal iran. they can't wait to give up their economic sanctions. the president's in pet bad shape diplomatically. he would like to find a way to cut a deal. you can always cut a deal if you surrender your basic position. iran can not be trusted with uranium enrichment of any sort, period, close quote. if we acknowledge --

bill: what was the greeting to jews earlier for rosh hashanah? what is that about. what about bringing only jewish member of parliament in tehran to new york? >> only jewish, anti-israel member to new york. bill: good point. >> obviously it is propraganda. iranians see they have a moment, opportunity. they saw the debacle on syria's chemical weapons. you have a new president in iran who by the way is not in charge of the country. the supreme leader, i ayatollah khomeni is in charge of the country and in charge of the nuclear weapons program. they will take a look at circumstances and try to drive a deal. we have a naive, gullible administration in washington looking for diplomatic success. i think handwriting is on the well. i think it is very distressing. bill: is there possibility that president obama will meet him. >> i bet on it right now. i've been through this enough times.

president obama speaks to the u.n. tuesday morning. president rouhani speaks to the the general assembly tuesday afternoon. the second general well have luncheon for heads of state opening general assembly. it will be in the delegates lounge. he easy as you and i talking now to arrange for hand sheikh for two presidents that every photographer on the planet will get a shot of. bill: that will make news. like a nixon china moment. >> absolutely. it will be the beginning of the end of any effect taif way to contain the iranian nuclear weapons program. bill: wow. thank you, mr. ambassador. we'll lean on you next week when all the leaders come to new york. >> i will be up there. bill: john bolton in washington. martha? martha: this shocking video of a school bus driver texting while driving. can you imagine if your kids were on the bus and lady driving with her elbows to text a message. bill: look at that. martha: bus full of children

there we'll tell you where this happened. how much trouble the driver is in now. plus this. [screaming] bill: deadly storms that pushed these guys right into the street. how did that happen? martha: not looking good. bill: how will that work out?

bill: here is that new video out of florida. what appears to be school bus driver texting while driving behind the wheel. that bus said to be packed with kids. cell phone video shot by 14-year-old student sitting to her right. shows female driver holding one hand on the wheel, other on her cell phone. someone suggested using her knee or leg to drive. the driver reportedly drifted in other leg of traffic. grabbed wheel just in time. florida is one of several states does not have a specific law on

the books for texting. new york does. martha: now they do. bill: caught with that, five points on license. martha: five points, $150 on the license. i want to know what happened to her? is she out of a job. bill: said to be put on quote, non-bus duties pending out come of an investigation. martha: i would say that is good start. bill: i don't know how you keep your job? martha: a good start. not on the bus anymore. okay, this is also a big story this morning the obama administration is rolling out new clean energy rules today, mostly aimed at the coal industry and they're not too happy about it. epa administrator gina mccarthy made the announcement at the national press club. critics say the regulations will cause coal plants to close, kill jobs and ultimately raise energy costs. molly henneberg is in washington covering this for us. what exactly are the new restrictions that the obama administration are putting on these coal plants, molly? >> reporter: martha, they're new standards for natural gas and coal fired power plants but it

will hit the coal industry much harder which is why it likely will be so controversial. currently the average coal plant emits, on average, 176pounds of carbon dioxide per megawatt hour. the new rules would cut that significantly, to 1100-pound of carbon dioxide per megawatt hour. epa administrator gina mcchart think says this is important step forward in a long clean energy journey. >> these proposed standard are the first uniform national limit on carbon pollution from new power plants. they do not apply to existing power plants. >> reporter: but new standard for existing coal plants will be coming, she says, next year. martha? martha: that's a big deterrent really to any new coal plants in this country, isn't it? >> reporter: that's exactly right. you hit the nail on head. the coal industry is preparing to fight these new standards. the coal industry contends that the obama administration is

trying to drive coal out of business. and that these new rules will prevent any new coal plants from being built. mike duncan, the president of american coalition for clean coal electricity said quote, despite their talk about all of the above approach to energy the epa is banning construction essentially he means of modearn coal plants resulting in fewer fuel choices in the market. fewer energy choices could cause american consumers to pay the ultimate price of higher energy bills. prior to today's epa announcement, top senate republican mitch mcconnell proposed the saving coal jobs act. legislation that would block any new epa carbon pollution mandates and would also make it easier for new coal plants to get through the permitting process. mcconnell contends that federal regulations caused more than 5 how people to lose their jobs the past five years in his home state of kentucky. martha? martha: a lot of people up in arms about that. molly, thank you very much.

bill: we told you how the clinic, cleveland clinic the president touted as a prime example what he wants to accomplish with obamacare, laying off thousands, cutting $300 million from its budget next year alone. could we see other medical facilities of this state tour start doing the same. with while visit that in moments. >> i will visit your hometown to cleveland clinic, to show, to show why their system works so well. odnight. thanks, olivia. thank you. so you can make a payment from your cell to almost anyone's phone or email. (speaking french) so you can express your gratitude... in the moment. chase quickpay. so you can.

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possible shutdown on the president's refusal to compromise. here's rand paul on that. >> we're not going to get everything we want, but what's ridiculous is the president comes out yesterday and says, oh, if the republicans don't get 100% of what they want, they're going to shut down government. it's actually completely the opposite. he wants 100% of obamacare as passed by democrats with no input from republicans, or he'll shut the government could down. it's him threatening to shut it down. he doesn't want to listen to my reason or compromise. martha: carl cameron live on capitol hill this morning. so, carl, today in the house is there any doubt about the outcome? >> reporter: oh, sure, martha, there's all kinds of compromise being talked about this morning. not. be they're gridlocked. they're stuck. the ranking democrat and republican have been giving up the floor to various speakers on the house floor for the last 20 minutes or so. this will continue for a few more hours, and then there will be a vote, and the republican

majority will pass the continuing resolution which seeks to defund obamacare as well as have new rules for how raising the debt ceiling would be handled if, in fact, that little hurdle isn't cleared. and then it would go to the senate where it is expected to fail. it's worth noting that there is a poll out just this morning that shows that the nation is not happy with obamacare and, in fact, a majority say that they oppose it now. and asked about how it's being implemented, a rocky proposal and a rocky upside taking as -- undertaking as admitted by the administration itself, an even bigger majority thinkst not being implemented well by the president. as you heard rand paul and some other conservative republicans say this week, there is a fight looming there, and they do have things they can do. martha: yeah, it's interesting. we just talked to jim demint about this, and he cited the poll that we just looked at, 52%, he said americans are not happy with this health care bill and that they want to defund it

and that they're going to stick to their guns on that. but when you go over to the senate side, it's looking a little dicey. >> reporter: well, sure. and every poll says shutting down the government is not popular with democrats and republicans as well, but there's a handful of republicans in the senate who have been urging the house republican core of its conference to push for this rider about obamacare and defunding it. they include folks like rand paul, ted cruz of texas, mike lee of utah and a handful of others who have been threatening, hinting and in some cases been under pressure to filibuster. that is a very distinct possibility for them to do, it could buy up the remaining week before the end of the month of legislative time and run this right up to the precipice of a shutdown. a lot of democrats think that would be fine for them politically, but they believe it's going to backfire on republicans. here's harry reid, the democratic leader in the senate. >> there's really some wrangling in the ranks not only among the republicans in the house, but now we've got battles between the republicans in the house and

republicans in the senate. so let's just wait and see if they have a stomach for closing the government. >> reporter: and what he's referring to is some republican conservatives, some republican establishment leaders have been against the idea of linking the, keeping government operating as opposed to a shutdown to the defunding of obamacare, and they think it's going to backfire politically as well. so now you have the house republicans are expected to pass be it today saying to the senate republicans, you better back us up and fight next week. martha: and some questions how vociferously lee and cruz have been sticking up for it on the senate side. so we'll see. >> reporter: well, they've acknowledged that democrats have the votes, the question is will they filibuster anyway? martha: exactly. carl, thank you. bill: so what does happen next? juan williams and brad blakeman here to go at it. juan, good morning to you, brad, good morning to you as well. what happens, brad? >> well, i think what happens is what we've seen happen time and time and time again.

we talk about continuing resolutions, it goes until the midnight hour, and what happens? the c.r. is passed. republicans are making symbolic votes in keeping with the american people as far as what they believe, their thoughts on obamacare are. but this isn't the mechanism by which you will amend or kill obamacare. that'll come at another time, another place, another debate. i happen to think the senate will vote down, of course, the house as far as defunding obamacare. the president, assuming the senate did vote for it, do you think the president would sign that bill? i don't think so. so what will happen is this will go to the midnight hour, and the c.r. passes. bill: all right, okay, to the midnight hour hen. is it the right thing for the speaker to do to allow the republicans in the house to have a say on this? >> at this time, sure it is. the house is going to vote symbolically, but they've done it time and time again. they're keeping the pressure on obamacare. the president himself has declared that this bill is not

ready for prime time. the american people know it, they're worried about it. keeping the pressure on is a good thing. bill: juan, what do you think? what happens? >> well, what happens is it goes to the senate, it's defeated. they can pily buster it -- filibuster it, but it doesn't matter. one scenario or another, pily buster or no filibuster, something will ultimately have to go back to the house without the defund obamacare fantasy, and then the house will have to decide whether to work with speaker boehner in terms of the hard right, the tea party conservatives -- about 30 members who are driving this -- or to allow speaker boehner to use some democratic votes to pass bill. otherwise, they're buying into a shutdown. and if the filibuster comes, as carl cameron said earlier, what you get is less time. two to three days right now, bill, is the prospect for the house to act even without a filibuster w. a filibuster there's no time and basically republicans are, to quote "the wall street journal," committing

political suicide. bill: okay, with the reflection of obamacare comes the question about the strength of the economy. and ed henry had this back and forth with jay carney just yesterday. i want you gentlemen to listen to this, i'll ask you both specifically what's wrong with henry's question, if anything? watch. >> here we are more than two years late you're saying the same thing -- >> and how many jobs has the economy created since then? >> we are man key yesterday said it's not keeping up, people are leaving the -- >> you and i, we're going to do this on crossfire one day, i promise. [laughter] and let's be clear that i'll be on one side, and you'll be on the other. bill: okay. two years later, brad, he said the fed says it's not growing the economy. what was wrong with that question? >> no. well, there's nothing wrong with that question -- bill: because it was denied by jay carney. >> ed henry's right. we continue to print money, we're not growing the economy and have enough revenue for what's going out, and the president doesn't have the confidence in his policy that

permeates to the marketplace. there is no ability for people to even know what their liability is on taxes, on what their liability is on health care. so what happens? they're sitting on their money. bill clinton says there's $3 trillion of capital just sitting there because of the uncertainty that the president has created. bill: why is the white house so sensitive, juan, to that question? >> about the economy? it's the number one issues for voters. i don't think there's any question about it, and i think it will be a key part of the president's legacy, did he, in fact, revive this economy as it came out of a terrible recession? bill: right now we don't know. >> we don't know, but what you saw this week in terms of the fed action drove the markets to record highs. but part of that action was saying the economic recovery remains fragile, and what's going on right now in the congress, what we started this discussion with, is evidence of, you know, a congress that's so dysfunctional they're willing to sacrifice our economy. i mean, it's craziness. that's why the president's out today saying, hey, congress, you

guys are going to sabotage the economy to pursue your ideological -- [inaudible] bill: the law of obamacare is a drag on economy anyway. look at these businesses and the way they're changing and forced to change. >> i don't watch -- i don't believe that for one second. bill: the fed made a ruling the way it did for a reason. it doesn't see the trent of the economy, pure and simple. >> that's exactly right. bill: yemen, i've got -- gentlemen, i've got to run, but i'll see you soon, and it won't be on crossfire. [laughter] martha: what channel is that on anyway? bill: i mean, ed henry went out with the whole pinocchio deal with the washington post with jay carney as well. march hard when you think about the fact that it's so hard to discern whether or not the economy is improving, i think people feel in their bottom line it hasn't improved dramatically and that the future look like a new normal, and that's what you

see seeping -- bill: and we're asking our viewers at home, what do you think about this? tweet us now@martha maccallum,@bill hemmer, we're tweeting throughout the show here. okay, now nine minutes past. one of the most renowned medical research facilities in the world the president once touted as an example of what a hospital could be like under his new law now blaming that very bill for some huge changes headed its way. we'll tell you, plus this -- >> you had a phone call with ms. mills? >> yes. i mean, i think that's what my statement said. >> okay. >> but, no, we had just completed the interview with ms. lamb, and as someone -- >> well, that raises an important question. >> can i answer your question? martha: house republicans grilling leaders of the interim review on -- internal review on the benghazi terror attack claiming the investigation was anything but impartial. congressman jim jordan on whether he got his answer. bill: at an off-duty firefighter being hailed a hero after

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bill: a spectacular rescue in california. an off-duty firefighter pulling a man to safety from his car engulfed in flames. we're told the car ignited after colliding with a van in l. a.. paramedics treated both the driver -- suffering second and third-degree burns to 15% of his body -- the fireman was not be badly injured, we're told. well done. martha: well, another major setback for president obama's health care law after the world renowned cleveland clinic says now that they will cut $330 million from their budget and that they may have to start laying people off because of increased costs under the new health care plan. this is the very same clinic that the president touted in 2009 as an example of what hospitals could look like under his overhaul. >> i'm going to be visiting your hometown tomorrow to go to the

cleveland clinic to show, to show why their system works so well. and part of the reason it works well is because they've set up a system where patient care is the number one concern, not bureaucracy, what formbe forms have -- forms have to be filled out, what do we get reimbursed for. those are changes that i think the american people want to see. martha: there you go. that was back in 2009. dr. marc siegel is an associate professor of medicine at nyu's land gone medical center, tamara hold iser is a fox news contributor and roe khan, welcome to all of you. doctor, let me start with you. basically, they're saying that, you know, through attrition they're going to cut a lot of jobs eventually at the cleveland clinic, and they're cutting about $300 million there their budget. what's that actually going to look like, and do you think it is a result of the health care plan coming? >> absolutely. by the way, president obama was

right about one thing, he was right that the cleveland clinic is a terrific facility. it's tops in the country. it feeds 17 health, family health centers, eight community hospitals, it takes in $5 billion in revenue, it does a hot of charity for the people around the community. it takes medicaid, medicare. but it makes its money not on medicaid and medicare and not on insurance, and it's getting harder and harder for the cleveland clinic to stay in business. and, in fact, dr. cosgrove, who's a cardiovascular surgeon and runs the clinic, a doctor running it, washed back many -- warned back in 2009 after president obama's visit, he says it's all well and good to extend insurance to more and more people, but guess what? it's not going to control health care costs. and if it doesn't control health care costs and they keep going up, our bottom line is in trouble. and that is what's happening in the cleveland clinic. and over 50% of its budget is for employees. they're not getting the quality of care that we're used to there, and it is a very high quality. martha: definitely talking about

fewer people working there so, tamara, when you have, you know, this renowned clinic that is the shining example of great american medical care start to say, you know, because of what's coming we're going to have to trim everything, you know, it smacks of being a sign of things to come. >> well, i think that although there's a lot of fear that also companies, hospitals, they're restricting, they're contracting because of what's to come and just going into unchartered territory. now, that being said, there have been plenty of alliances that have been created with this hospital in other states. today cleveland clinic and community health systems in michigan expanded because there are only 1500 beds at this hospital, but there were 52,000 patients. so, and that's just one hospital. so i think that what they're trying to do is they're trying to form allegiances with other hospitals and share the care, share the burden and, hopefully, we'll see some kind of progress. but, yeah, there's a lot of fear.

martha: it's going to make it a lot tougher to get in. roe, what do you think about this? >> well, to dr. segal's point, the issue is reimburse withment because any hospital administrator will tell you, reimbursements are the hardest things. especially when it comes to medicaid. the irs has set up eight new bureaucracies including one called the services and, what is it, the services and experience working group. now, what does that mean? who are they going to be? and you think about this, the irs -- how many people actually file electronically? thousands, millions of people file electronically. now they have to hire thousands of people to replace those who are leaving because they didn't have to work at the irs anymore to handle the paperwork, they now have to work in this bureaucracy. it seems the money's shifting more towards the government and less towards actual patient care. martha: it's ironic that the president cited how beautifully the cleveland clinic runs and how they're able to put patient care first, and it's not all

about who's your insurer. if anything, it feels like it's becoming more in medical care about who's your insurer and where are your forms. >> that's the third party, that's the behemoth in between the. >> and patient. it's about nurses, care practitioners, doctors getting together, and we've seen it work beautiful through. the problem is you can't transplant that into the middle of north dakota or the middle of minnesota or the middle of ohio. you can't even transplant that. it's a system that worked over many years. it's a culture. mayo has it too. but inevitably, it's going to be a two-tiered system where if you want something like the clearland clinic, you're going to have to pay out of pocket. they're not going to be able to continue to work with obamacare. martha: when you hear manager like that, you know, this beacon of medical care in the united states getting smaller, worrying about the future, it makes people feel a lot less secure about where we're headed. ultimately, five years from now,

what's your health care going to look like, tamara? >> it depends whether you're talking about me and -- not that i'm in any better situation, but a system which is dependent on how much money you make or where you live if you live in the middle of nowhere -- >> martha: you're saying it's going to devolve into the haves and have nots. >> agreed. i get it, and i'm not defending obamacare by any means because there are problems. we're seeing it with just the unions that supported it. but at the same time, the fear mongering needs to stop, and we need to find out how this can work. because health care costs are rising. and people are going to need the medicine regardless if they're rich or poor, so how do we fix it? and i think the hospitals are doing the best that they can. martha: roe and tamara and dr. segal, thank you very much. it's going to make a lot of people think about which direction all of this is headed, and the cleveland clinic is one of the best institutions we have. thank you, all of you, for being here today. bill? bill: 19 past, martha. the new pope setting out a

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martha: all right, let's show you a little bit of what's going on on capitol hill. we just saw eric cantor at the podium, and now you see steny hoyer of maryland as the house gets ready to vote on this continuing resolution that includes the defunding of obamacare. it is expected to pass in the house but probably not in the senate. vote should get rolling sometime around 11:00 this morning.

bill: breaking news now on syria apparently handing over a list of its chemical weapons. this as the secretary of state, john kerry, responds to our fox news interview with syrian president bashar al assad when he claimed, assad did, that you cannot prove who used the sarin gas. >> sarin was used, sarin killed. the world can decide whether it was used by the regime which has used chemical weapons before, the regime which had the rockets and the weapons or whether the opposition secretly went unnoticed into territory they don't control to fire rockets today don't have -- they don't have contained sarin that they don't possess to kill their own people and that without even being noticed, they just disassembled it all and packed out and got out of the center of damascus controlled by assad. please. this isn't complicated. bill: that from yesterday. now today leland vittert live in

jerusalem reacting to news out of damascus. what do you have on that, leland, this list of chemical sock piles? >> reporter: well, bill, this is certainly the first step to divvy up the chemical weapons, and the russians and syrians would tell you to look forward. they say largely the debate is somewhat academic. the u.s. has pulled off the military option from the table and syria so far moving forward with their promise. they maintain they did not use chemical weapons against their people. this all happened as the fighting rages on inside syria. 150-plus people die every day in the civil war. we just heard from a deputy prime minister of syria who said in a shockingly candid interview to the guardian newspaper that he felt as though the fighting had reached a stalemate, the rebels can't really gain any major ground, take cities. at the same time, the syrian army can't clear the rebels out and take back a lot of the frontier land that they have lost. that deputy prime minister also

offered a word that we have not heard yet in the discussion which is ceasefire. now, whether he actually meant it or not, we don't know. he walked those words from the interview back very quickly, but it could be a trial balloon by the syrian government to see how things play out over the next couple of days. bill: in the meantime, the war continues. we'll see what comes of this. it is breaking news, leland, thank you. leland vittert from jerusalem. martha: well, house republicans grilled leaders of the state department's internal review of the bicep ghazi terror attack. congressman jim jordan on why he says their investigation he believes was anything but impartial. he was there, coming up. bill: he was fired up yesterday, right? scientists putting an expiration date on old planet earth. when the world is coming to an end, we have an answer. martha: stick around for that. ♪ it's the end of world as we know it. ♪ it's the end of the world as we know it. ♪ it's the end of the world as we know it, and i feel fine ♪

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bill: we expected fireworks, and what we're getting now on the floor of the house as the argument for defunding obamacare and the budget shutdown and the government battle here. here is eric cantor on the floor only moments ago. listen here. >> this resolution will also protect the working middle class from the devastating effects of obamacare. each week we hear stories about

how both major employers and small businesses are cutting back benefits and cutting back hours. the president's health care law is turning our full-time economy into a part-time economy. bill: and that is just one bit of reaction right now that we're hearing on the floor. more in a moment. expect a vote in about 29 minutes. jim jordan, republican from ohio, good morning to you. we brought you on to talk about benghazi, but this news is breaking now. what is your take, and how will you vote, sir? >> no, it's a great day for america. look, we're going to fund essential government services, but we're going to delay and stop a law that everyone, everyone in the country knows is not ready, and i don't think, frankly, will ever be ready. but not just republicans, i mean, james hoffa said it's going to hurt working americans, the president's delayed part of this bill, businesses are laying off people because of the effects of obamacare. everyone knows, republican, democrat, independent, this law's not ready. we just need the president of the united states and harry reid

to understand that fact. it's good piece of legislation, i'm going to certainly vote for it on floor. bill: your words, you will delay and stop obamacare. how do you do it when you don't have the votes in the senate and you've got a white house with a president who still has a veto pen? how is that possible? >> well, the american people will speak out, you know? it's amazing when elected officials hear from their constituents, sometimes they find jesus and do the right thing. so the american people are going to speak out, and we hope the u.s. senate's going to figure out what the rest of the country's figured out, this law is not ready. even the president has delayed it for big business. we're just saying delay it for everybody so we have a bill -- this is as common sense as it get cans, bill. here's a bill that funds the government and delays a law that everyone in the country knows is not ready. what's radical about that? that's exactly what we'rehis bio pass today with a strong majority in the house, and hopefully the senate will do the right thing. bill: will you get any democrats to vote more it?

>> i don't know. almost every single republican is going to support it. my guess is we'll get some. you know, a few weeks back we voted to delay the individual mandate, and 22 democrats voted with us on that part of delaying obamacare, so i think there's some potential, but we'll know in a few minutes. belle bill all right, let's talk benghazi now. i want our viewers to have a listen to this exchange. >> if this is so independent, why are you giving the state department a heads up about a witness coming in front of this committee? >> we had just completed within a day or two of that phone call the interview -- >> so you had a phone call with ms. mills? >> yes. i mean, i think that's what my statement said. >> okay. >> but, no, we had just completed the interview with ms. lamb, and as someone -- >> that raises an important question. >> can i answer your question? >> yes, you can. >> so my -- as someone having run a department and spent many, many times trying as a leader of

a department to -- >> let me ask finish my time is winding down. bill: okay, jim jordan now, you were doing the question and answer. cheryl mill is the the former chief of staff for hillary clinton. what were you driving at there based on this resue of the -- review of the state department policies about what happened many benghazi? >> well, bill, you can't claim that the arb's report was comprehensive and final and independent when cheryl mills called up admiral mullen and said i want you to serve on the board. a week into their investigation, he's giving her a heads up. remember, chief of staff to hillary clinton, he's giving her heads up about the first witness to come in front of our committee, the first witness to testify in front of oversight committee in congress. and then when the reports almost do, they give hillary clinton and cheryl mills a chance to make edits to the report before it goes public. now, that doesn't meet my definition and, frankly, the mesh people's -- american people's definition about come prehencive and independent

report. this is the state department putting their spin on how they want the american people to perceive what took place in benghazi. bill: after that some family members came in and testified about losing loved ones, and your democratic colleagues chose not to come back in the room for that. >> very unfortunate. bill: did you know that would happen? >> i did not, and i was disappointed -- there were two members who were there, and i want to commend them. but when you looked over on their side of the aisle, there was just two members of the entire committee on the democratic side were there, and what ms. be smith and -- bill: why did that happen, sir? >> i couldn't tell you. and what was even worse, these -- they've lost their son, their son served our country, and then they had to wait around seven hours -- they were on the second panel before they testified. you would have thought more members of the democrat caucus could have been there and listened to what these amazing people had to say. bill: jim jordan, we'll see what happens next. thank you for your time, okay?

we'll watch for the vote coming up in 25 minutes on defunding obamacare. martha: well, the boston red sox are headed back to the postseason. >> the 2-2 pitch in the air to right field. over and under, puts it away, and the red sox have secured their spot in the postseason. martha: they defeated the baltimore orioles last night 3-1 clinching the al eastern division, but for tonight's starting pitcher taking the mound carries its own special meaning. john lester won game four in the 2000 series against colorado, he is also a cancer survivor. now lester's launching a new campaign to help strike out cancer in children, and will carr joins us now live with this really inspiring story from los angeles. hi, will. >> reporter: good morning, martha, and you're right, this is a very inspirational story. less than two years after his battle with cancer, lester not only won the world series like

you mentioned, he also pitched a no-hitter. now the manager of the red sox who was lester's pitching coach back in the day says that's one comeback he'll never forget. >> somewhat of a storybook ending to 2007, but i think what it did, it set the stage for john's career to really take off in the years following that. >> reporter: john's recovery also set the stage for the never quit campaign, a partnership with the pediatric cancer research foundation. >> green monster's a beast. >> reporter: with a perceived emphasis on adult-related cancer, lester thought it was time to focus in another area. >> i've fought and beat cancer, now it's time to fight for the kids. >> reporter: on nights he's not on the mound whether at home or on the road, he meets with children and parents who are fighting pediatric cancer. >> was it hard? >> was it hard? yeah. it was hard. but, you know, it was -- i think it helps you later, you know? and once it's over, nothing else holds you down. it's hard, hard for you?

no, it's easy for you, right? you're strong, yeah? good. >> reporter: on this night the red sox player wrote his name on the glove next to his son hudson's name because he feels these visits are part of his obligation to give back. >> everybody's different, you know? there's some guys that want to be role models and other guys that just want to be a baseball player, you know? or a basketball player, whatever. they don't want that responsibility. you know, i think in the position that we're in, i feel like you don't really have that choice. >> reporter: this season lester leads the red sox in wins, but probably more importantly, he's visited kids with cancer in eight major league cities, very impressive when you consider all the professional athletes who are out there making negative headlines, martha. martha: good for him. will, thank you. bill: nicely done. so the red sox not the only team to clinch a playoff spot last

night. >> both managers -- high fly ball into left center, playable. it is scott schumacher to make the catch. they have finally done it. bill: that's vin scully with the call, the legend. dodgers locking up the title for the paris time sins -- first time since 2009, not bad for a team that in june was dead last in their division. what a turn around for l.a. later the dodgers celebrated by taking a plunge in the pool that's in the outfield in the arizona, and a lot of players dashing across the field jumping right in. they had a pool time of it, but the diamondbacks weren't too happy about it, neither were the fans. [laughter] i mean, you know -- martha: hey, the pool's there, available. good for them. that looks like fun. all right, well, there is a dramatic tone that that has been talked about quite a bit this morning in the catholic church, a change. so what pope francis has said that has everybody talking about

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bill: here now what by believe to be a bird's eye view. this video apparently shot from the back of an eagle. what do you think? i mean, it looks good, as it soared over one to have the longest glaciers in france. we cannot verify that it's real or how it was done, no one has been able to track down the video's creator or the bird. regardless, eagle cam is quite a sensation. we will let you know in time whether that is the real deal. martha: everybody's talking about in this morning pope

francis laying out his vision for a more open church. in a lengthy interview with a group of jesuit reporters, he said, quote: we cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive measures, this is not possible. i have spoken much about these things, and i was reprimanded for that. father jonathan morris is a roman catholic priest as you know, fox news contributor. good morning. >> good morning. martha: what do you think pope francis is saying? >> yeah. on the one hand people are saying, see, we shouldn't insist only on these things, but we should be insisting on them, see, nothing has changed. that's one side. on the other side, people are saying, ah, finally, a pope for gay marriage, a pope for abortion, etc., etc. both of those are wrong. i think while the dogma and the doctrine stay the same, he is doing something radically

different. he's inviting us, he's inviting me, he's inviting christians to give a new emphasis on mercy, on compassionate, kind expression of the gospel of jesus. and that means changing the way we're doing things. martha: yeah. it puts love and mercy and forgiveness paris in terms of how you look -- first in terms of how you rook at everything. >> of course we'd always say it's been love, but he's saying we have to do something different. martha: yeah. i also want to play a piece of sound he said i believe this was back in july, but it's right in line with the kinds of things we're talking about here. let's play that. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: if a person is gay and seeks god and has goodwill, who am i to judge him? >> well, you know what? that made tons of news, and on the one hand you could say, well, he didn't change the doctrine about gay marriage, but he is doing something radical. do you mind if i bring something very personal, martha?

i received a note from my sister this morning. she was legally married in the eyes of the law in washington, d.c. to another woman earlier this year. that's created all sorts of difficulty, my family and how i relate to it, i don't believe in gay marriage, show knows that. we have a great relationship, she and i, but she wrote little letter to me this morning. do you mind if i read a little bit of it? i've never talked about this publicly, but i asked her permission, she said, yeah. she said all of this is to say that my first feeling when reading the pope's interview is i felt like i was listening to the voice of jesus, a jesus i could believe in. i get knots in my stomach, but then she quos on to say this, and i haven't seen this coming from the left or the right very well. she said, expressed this well. she said yesterday while i experienced jesus through pope francis' word at work, i would have been disappointed if after reading the whole interview, 12,000 words, it did not include

anything more than what the news cycle has been talking about, gay marriage, etc. she says it was filled with radical empathy, radical love, radical humanity while not at any point watering down the pope's understanding of objective truth. the news clippings conveniently left out the parts about moral consequences flowing from simple, profound be, radiant message of the gospel. this is my sister who is legally married to another woman experiencing jesus in a way that i haven't been able to communicate to her as well as i should have. martha: it's beautiful, and it's interesting, and there's been so much constitution about the catholic church and, you know, sort of whether or not people are leaving, and the numbers do back up there has been some drift away from the catholic church in this country and certainly in europe and other places in the world. does this change that, do you think? >> i think what i'm seeing on the street, what i'm seeing in my parish from my own sister, anne marie, who i love so much, is a new openness.

gosh, you know what? maybe the church has something to say to me even though i'm not perfect? and this interview when they asked pope francis who is jorge bergoglio before he became pope, he said jorge bear goly owe is a sinner. i should be able to say that, and i do. i think that should be an open door to all sinners, all of us. martha: and what's also being written a lot today is he's not saying women should become priests, although he wants them to have a bigger role in the church, he's not changing any of the rules. he's not suddenly, you know, sort of making a big turn. >> no, but he's opening up a conversation like it's never been opened before. and he's doing it knowingly -- knowing perfectly well that this is causing ripples. and this is the type of conversations we're having now gets the church dialoguing, and my bet is while doctrine, dogma's not going change on the big issues that are unchangeable, there are other issues that are based on

tradition that are not unchangeable doctrine that will be looked at very seriously. martha: yeah. and be it does put the focus on love, mercy, forgiveness and maybe getting away there some of these discussions. thanks, thank you and thank you, anne marie. >> thank you. martha: for sharing that thought with us as well today. really interesting. thank you, father jonathan. bill: francis breaking a whole lot of boundaries that have not even been breached before. all right, in a moment here, t-shirts that have some parents screaming mad but students say in this case that mean something completely different. plus scientists say they now know when the world will end, but you don't need to pack the bags just yet. ♪ ♪ time is on my side, yes, it is ♪ before mike could see his banking and investing accounts on one page... before he could easily transfer funds

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arkansas march so some new t-shirts at a phoenix high school designed by the principal have sparked a lot of controversy. the shirts say "wtf." we all know what those initials usually stand for, right? but in this case, they're foes supposed to mean we're the falcons. some parents not so happy about it. no word yet from the school's principal on whether the t-shirts will be changed. ♪ ♪ bill: but did get on national tv. martha: that to be thankful for. bill: december 2012 came and went without a hitch, but scientists have put an expiration date on planet earth, and the answer is 1.75 billion years to go. tareq malik managing editor of space.com with us in the studio. all the scientists have been busy mixing things up. what did this study conclude? >> basically, the study is a model of what the zone around

our planet is for earth, and they figured, you know, the earth's been around for 4.5 billion year, you know, humans inhabit -- everything that's live now probably only has just under 2 billion year toss go. bill: so we can relax saturday and sunday. why is this important to people like you? >> well, what this is, there's a goldilocks zone around the sun that lets you, me and everything around us survive, this habitable zone. and this says, okay, this is how long this zone will last. and now i'm going to look at these distance stars, and there's planets there, how long do those zones last, so it's helpful for us, we can plan ahead. bill: okay so there is a useful application for this then. but what about, what about the stray asteroid? >> oh, well -- bill: what about the solar flare? can we keep that 1.75 billion years away? >> this study says, okay, if life keeps going on like now, well, then we've got this 1.75 billion years to go.

if there is a big asteroid that we can't stop, that's going to change things. if there's a big solar flare that fries everything that we can't protect against, that's going to change things for us, for humans. right? microbes, they've got their work -- bill: so all this was based on a study of the sun. >> exactly. this model studies how the sun evolves over time, and it's kind of like in the middle of its life right now, about five billion with years, it's got five billion more to go. and in this time frame, the sun -- it'll get bigger, it'll get hotter, and it makes the zone a lot worse of a place. the oceans will evaporate, it won't be present. will: what iphone will we be on at that point? [laughter] you know what the studied conclude, it said the planet will continue to get warmer as we move through. what does that suggest to those who believe in global warming? >> well, there is a caveat in that in the heat, this hot zone that we're going to be in really is going to affect, like, little

tiny microbes and stuff like that. the study also says that for humans we're going to reach kind of like a tipple point where it's too -- tipping point where it's too hot earlier largely because of climate change and things going on now. bill: 1.75 billion. so we've got time for a road trip. thank you, tareq. nice to see you. martha: that's a lot of birthdays. thanks, guys. we are waiting for a crucial vote in the house on a temporary spending bill. it could cripple obamacare, at least on the house side. that's the pre-vote vote, of course. we'll be right back. [ male anno] house rule number 33. coffee should come in one size: mug. stay grounded with the rich, bold taste of maxwell house coffee. always good to the last drop.

martha: all right. so later today senator ted cruz who has been hot at the center of this whole debate about defunding obamacare will be on with neil cavuto at 4:00 this afternoon. stick around for that. bill: he was talking this week about a filibuster. he might pull a rand paul. jenna: make he will. he may change his tune and may

see that filibuster. bill: neil will get the answer. martha: happening now starting right now. we'll see you on monday. have a great weekend. gregg: right now, brand new stories, and breaking news. jenna: any moment lawmakers vote on a continuing resolution to defund obamacare. we'll tell you how is will play out politically. why there seems to be a huge split in the republican party and what it means for all americans. plus the president of iran takeing a page from vladmir putin's playbook, writing an op-ed published in a major american newspaper. he is portraying a kind letter, gentler iran that wants to talk. can we believe him is the question? nationally known for incurrable hick couples she is on trial for first-degree murder. the evidence that could convict her. a shocking jailhouse phone call. it is all "happening now."