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plus, up front tonight, as the 50th anniversary approaches, was there a cover-up following the murder of the 20th century? >> from the front too. >> from the front. now, jackie doesn't realize what's happened yet. she goes to his aid. >> and now -- >> the violent backward motion, totally consistent with 80% of the witnesses who said that the shot came from the grassy knoll from the right and to the right >> it's interesting to notice many people are running towards where most people thought the shots were coming from. >> the heads go backwards and -- from the other side of the street. >> god, that's awful. >> that's the most -- that's the craziest thing i've ever seen. >> so you say it is virtually impossible for one bullet to have killed the president of the united states, gone through his body, entered the governor of texas' body, and then ended up

causing all of the injuries that you describe? >> if you don't have a single-bullet theory, if you don't have one bullet accounting for those seven wounds in the two men, then you've got two shooters. aside from contradicting the warren commission, dr. wick's thesis that there were at least two shooters in dallas almost exactly 50 years ago also contradicts the conclusion reached by bill o'reilly in his his best selling book "killing dem kennedy, the end of camelot." the film debuts on the 10th of november.kennedy, the end of ca" the film debuts on the 10th of november. and the host of "the o'reilly factor" joins me now. bill, thanks for coming on. and i want to point out kennedy's last days, your wonderful children's book also on the assassination. >> thank you. >> so 7% of americans agree with you that the warren commission report conclusion was essentially correct, that lee harvey oswald and he alone killed john kennedy. are you firm in that conclusion?

>> i'm as firm as i can be as a reporter. there's no evidence to contradict that oswald was the lone shooter. and i was open to all kinds of two gunmen, mafia, castro, whatever. i was open to it all. but i've been investigating this for 30 years. and the turning point for me was that we got all of the fbi data associated with the assassination. and people say, well, the fbi, they wanted to cover it up. a lot of people said that. they didn't want it covered up. j. edgar hoover badly wanted there to be conspiracy, multiple gunmen, russia, cuba, whoever. do you know why he wanted that? >> to impeach the kennedy character? >> no. he wanted to be the sole investigative lead.

the fbi did not have the investigative capacity to do what they wanted in this case because the dallas police department had jurisdiction. and hoover told 80 agents that he sent to dallas the next day after the assassination, find me a conspiracy because if he had, if they had found it, then hoover himself would have been the sole jurisdiction over the investigation. they never found it. and they tried. they being the 80 fbi agents. we saw all of the data. and lee swill, a contributor for fox news, her father was one of the lead fbi investigators in dallas. he was appointed to follow lee harvey oswald's wife, marina, for months. and, i mean, i talked to the guy and said, is there any shred of another presence in dallas with a firearm aiming at the president? none, zero, doesn't exist. so, therefore, we returned on the fact that j. edgar hoover wanted there to be a conspiracy, because he couldn't find it. >> what about the physical difficulty of oswald taking that bolt action rifle and firing it

three times in 5.6 seconds? >> well, fbi sharpshooters have done it in less than that. we know that oswald was training with that gun. he had eyewitnesses in the book "killing kennedy" that saw him do it. it's not out of the question to do it. oswald was a good marksman. two bullets hit. one missed. but it's absolutely doable. >> what about the film -- i aired the film the first time that shows kennedy's head going back as if he was hit from the front. >> there was all kinds of aerodynamics taking place. and, again, we explain in vivid detail, almost frame-by-frame what happened. and you know as well as i do, geraldo, there's a lot of money to be made on conspiracy theories. and a lot of people have made a ton of money. oliver stone on the movie front all the way down. bigot to tell you, martin dugard and i did an exhaustive investigation, and it isn't there. oswald did it. >> and the fact that just 7% of

americans believe that? >> well, i hope they read "killing kennedy" because the evidence that we presehat it wa. >> isn't a lot of it the fact that we just don't want this young and gracious president to be killed by such a schmuck? >> some of it. but most of is it that most americans don't trust their government. they just don't trust it. >> so history was changed by this one disgruntled man? >> that's right. and it wasn't even hard. because if you see, if you go to dallas and go to dealey plaza and see how close that building, the book depository, is to where kennedy came down, in a very slow, slow ride, you can see how it happened. >> do you ever ponder how history would have been different? >> i do, but it's all speculation. i mean, i think the heartbreaking part of this is that john f. kennedy was not a good president for the first half of his three-year term. he was terrible. and we chronicle that in the book. then he changed. he changed as a man and a leader. and he was really starting to move the country in the right

direction, and, bam. >> how do you tell the story to kids? >> well, the way we did it in "kennedy's last days" was in pictures. this is a beautiful book. and with the 50th anniversary coming up, every american child should know what happened. an they don't. and they don't teach it in school. but the kid's book is, here's camelot. here's why americans responded to it. here's who john f. kennedy was, and here's how he died. >> and you really think he was a better man the second half of his term. >> when his baby, patrick, died, john kennedy changed dramatically for the better. and we lay that out in vivid terms as well. i'm really proud of "killing kennedy." it's an honest, really good book. if you're interested in the subject, you don't have to believe me. but what we present is compelling. >> november 10, the national geographic channel. >> rob lowe plays jfk. he has the accent down. we were on the set. i'm the executive producer of the film. it's a really good film.

and, again, good for children. they need to know about their country. >> to those who will never believe. that was lee harvey oswald. >> you're an american. you're entitled to your opinion. what can i do? my job is to tell you what we know and how we know it. if you don't want to believe it, s the that's it. geraldo will come to your house. up next, dr. wick is here to debate mark fuhrman. both live after this. ♪

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assassinated president kennedy when the assassination hadn't taken place yet, and would not take place for at least two more months? so you have the cia fingerprints all over the kennedy assassination. >> so the first speaker was the author of "helter-skelter," the former l.a. district attorney. and that fellow with the beard, the researcher mark lane, on the program last week. they are on different sides of the assassination controversy. and so are my next guests. rejoining us as i said by popular demand, dr. cyril wecht on your left who testified during the '70s on assassinations. who supported the commission findings in general by the man on your right, mark fuhrman, the well-known former homicide detective, author of "a simple act of murder." november 22nd, 1963. gentlemen, welcome. mark, was it a simple act of murder? was it -- let's start with the magic bullet, the single bullet theory, that dr. wecht says, how

could one bullet cause so many injuries? >> well, it didn't. the single bullet theory is complete fantasy. it's not supported by medical or physical evidence at the scene. arlen specter manipulated witnesses. there were as many as nine eyewitnesses who saw the reaction from president kennedy being hit by the first gunshot. the second one, of course, was governor connelly at about frame 237. so the single bullet theory is complete fantasy. and the biggest reason is the horizontal trajectory simply can't line up. it's thoroughly impossible. >> but then you say that the three bullets hit then. do you think that oswald successfully hit his target three times? >> yes, i do. and the range was -- the longest shot was 97 yards. the closest shot was 66 yards. it was rather close.

it was not that difficult to get those rounds off at that range in that allotted amount of time. i think the second shot, i think oswald did not think he hit his target. and he rushed the shot. and thus hitting connelly. and then he calmed down and delivered the final shot in frame 313. >> dr. wecht, where is mark fuhrman wrong? >> the film clearly shows connelly being struck at approximately 1.5 seconds after kennedy has been hit the first time. as far as i know, that has been indisputable even amongst the warren report defenders and supporters. that is what gave birth to the single bullet theory. that is what created the need and arlen specter as junior legal counsel seized upon it.

so how bill o'reilly and mark fuhrman make all of a sudden, particularly bill o'reilly's comments, that, well, oswald was a good marksman, the last i heard he had flunked his first marksmanship test in the u.s. marines, got the equivalent of a c score the next time around. the last i heard, it took 2.3 seconds in the hands of the most skilled marksmen that the fbi and the law enforcement people could round up to shoot, unload, and reload, and shoot again without allowing time for repositioning and reaiming. and then all of a sudden now we have bill o'reilly glossing over, well, the three shots in 5.6 seconds. where i went to school, a lowly elementary school in a poor section of pittsburgh, 2.3 times three times is 6.9. it's a big difference from 5.6. o'reilly talks about hoover

wanting to make this into a conspiracy. i have not seen this in any other writing anywhere. in fact, the exact opposite is the truth. then he makes oswald into this skilled marksman. that is completely salacious. and then he talks about the people making money. most of the writers of the anti-warren commission books have had to go and get their books published privately. some of them in foreign countries, compared to what o'reilly and posner made on their books. that is pure hypocrisy. let's talk about the single-bullet theory. >> let's talk about the single-bullet theory on the other side of the break. >> mark, i want you to respond after the break. we'll talk about the conspiracy theories ranging from the mafia to the cia. then later, we'll talk about that machine gun-toting, profanity spewing pennsylvania police chief who wants everybody to have a machine gun. we'll be right back.

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the mafia, the dallas mafia, by the fall of '62, decided t the mafia, the dallas mafia, by the fall of '62, decided they had had enough. kennedy was trying to put them out of business, so they decided to put him out of business. dallas was the place to make that happen. and lee harvey oswald's role? >> i believe he was simply to set up. he thought he was going to participate in a nonviolent pro castro demonstration that day in the plaza. >> that's researcher mark north. he says it was the mafia. mark lane, you heard him earlier, said it was the cia. mark fuhrman, the three marks, says it was sort of like the warren commission says. it was lee harvey oswald acting alone. before we go any further, people forget mark fuhrman highly decorated cop, also a united states marine. so lee harvey oswald, was he

competent, a fellow marine? was he competent to fire that weapon in the time needed to pull this off? >> well, he was, geraldo. in the marine corps, it's marksman, sharpshooter, and expert. he was right in the middle of the road, a sharpshooter. but that's better than all of the other services, any of their training, with the long-range rifle shooting. so, yes, he was competent. i actually had a friend of mine get the same rifle, use the same ammunition, and we beat oswald's time by .3 of a second at 100 yards on a 12-inch target. so it's not only possible, but the time starts with the first shot. and then it's 2.3 seconds to the next shot, 2.3 seconds to the next shot. not 6.9. so the problem, geraldo, is we can't leapfrog beyond the crime scene. first you have to adjudicate and answer the questions at the crime scene.

be honest with the evidence. believe the evidence that's irrefutable. and then you move on. the forensics, the medical evidence, the physics of the scene. and if you want to leapfrog the conspiracies, then you're completely losing the investigation. but there hasn't been many people that have ever been on a crime scene that have actually written books on this. and that is the biggest problem. and one being arlen specter. >> the pennsylvania senator who basically directed the warren commission's probe. but, dr. wecht, you wanted to say something about the single bullet. why is it central still to your theory? >> let me say you start with the forensics. so before we get to who did this and the mafia and hoover and the cia, let's talk about the forensics. the single bullet theory, aside from what is depicted in the film, aside from what john and nelly connelly insisted, that he was shot and hit by a separate shot -- >> the governor and first lady of texas. >> that's right.

is so let's talk about the single-bullet theory. one, its weight, trajectory, and condition. the bullet, in store-bought condition, 161 grains. on the stretcher, 156 grains. 2.4 grains equals 1 1/2 percent. and yet there were pieces of metal in connelly's hip and thigh that he took to the grave with him. there's no way that one bullet could cause the fracture, one of the bones from the wrist to the hand, in a big 6'4" guy like connelly. no way. number two is the trajectory. you have a bullet that hits kechb di under the single-bullet theory comes upward 11 1/2 degrees. coming out, moving forward and leftward and downward. turns around, midair, comes back 18 inches, slams into connelly behind the right armpit, moves at a 27 degree level, exits below the nipple. look at the film.

connelly is holding the white stet son hat at shoulder level. the bullet hooks up and around. slams in to the wrist, shatters the radius, exits the wrist and proceeds at a 45 degree downward angle into his left thigh, and that's the single bullet theory. and you have a picture there which i understand, geraldo -- >> we just shown it. >> you're saying that possible? >> that's the government's experiment, geraldo. look. look at that picture. it shows the bullet second from the right, is a bullet that broke a rib of a goat. and the bullet at the far right broke the radius of a human cadaver. >> ok, ok. take a minute to sum up. and then we'll have you gentlemen back. mark, you get final word. >> i think dr. wecht is trying to explain the horizontal trajectory. instead of the bullet going right and down, it was actually going left and up after it exited kennedy's throat. so it couldn't have possibly hit governor connelly. the bullet that hit governor connelly hit underneath his

armpit between the fifth and sixth rib. it didn't even puncture through the lung. that means connelly had to be looking left, not the right. it throws out the single bullet completely. >> ladies and gentlemen, i promise we'll have these guys back as we approach the 50th anniversary of the murder of the 20th century. two experts. i appreciate both of you gentlemen coming on. dr. cyril wecht, thank you. mark fuhrman, thank you as well. great seeing you guys again. coming up, how do you feel about tattoos on women? how about if they are competing to be miss america? the tattooed miss kansas will be here. and don't miss the machine gun-toting police chief from pennsylvania. who wants everyone armed to the teeth. and do you want congress to shut down? may get your wish. the day we rescued riley was a truly amazing day.

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council spokeswoman says the u.s. has offered its full support to the kenyan government to bring the perpetrators to justice. i'm robert gray. back to "geraldo at large." you'd be willing to shut down the government and potentially default for the first time in united states history because it bothers you so much that we're actually going to make sure that everybody has affordable health care? well, let me say, as clearly as i can, it is not going to happen. we have come too far. we've overcome far darker threats than those. we will not negotiate over whether or not america should keep its word and meet its obligations. we're not going to allow anyone to inflict economic pain on

millions of our own people just to make an ideological point. and those folks are going to get some health care in this country. we've been waiting 50 years for it. now that house republicans friday voted to cripple the president's health care law, the stage is set for a collision with senate democrats, who will never agree to defund obama care. so does that mean the government will shut down when the new fiscal year starts next month? two prominent congressmen, jason chaffetz, republican of utah on the right, and frank pallone, democrat of new jersey, on the left here to explain how any of this makes any sense. gentlemen, welcome. i appreciate you coming on. carson pallone, let me start with you. why not go along with the republicans, keep the government open, and fight over obama care some other time? >> well, because obama care is the law of the land. it's going into effect soon. and it would be a huge mistake to simply say, oh, we're not going to have obama care because the republicans or the tea party want to shut the government down.

i mean, they should try to come to some agreement on the budget. obama care has nothing to do with the budget at this point. it's a health care plan to cover people who have no insurance or improve the benefits of people who have insurance but it's not a good insurance policy. what does that have to do with keeping the government going? they are unrelated. for the republicans to insist that somehow we have to shut down obama care before it even begins to get the government going, it's childish in my opinion. >> is it blackmail, congressman chaffetz? >> no. it's part of the process. look, i too was elected. and according to the democrats themselves, obama care is an absolute train wreck. it's not ready for prime time. every day we turn around, we hear from unions and corporations and others that they are dumping people. i have people in my own district that are having to go from 40 hours of employment to less than 30 to meet these requirements. it's not ready for prime time. it would be disingenuous to fund something we know is going to harm america and fail america.

>> that's not accurate, jay. >> the fact of the matter is, we have 30 million to 40 million americans that have no insurance. and many who have skeletal insurance. even more that can't afford their insurance policy. and my constituents are waiting for obama care to take place because they want to have affordable health insurance. what does this have to do with keeping the government going? absolutely nothing. it is blackmail. the republicans have to accept the fact this is a divided government. we have a democratic president, democratic senate, republican house of representatives. let's negotiate a budget. not keep talking about health care. >> if you want to have a negotiation, then the president of the united states should stop standing up in front of the country and saying, i'm not even going to talk to republicans about it. he is willing to talk to the syrian leaders and to the -- >> he made it clear, jason, he selling to talk about the budget. >> it's one of the biggest budget items we have. of course we're going to do this.

>> we haven't even started the health care reform. to suggest that somehow it should be discarded, when people want it, it's been ongoing for three years and finally will come to fruition, it's just wrong. you don't come down here and say, oh, i don't like the health care reform and therefore i'm going to shut the government down. >> we never said that. you keep repeating that. it's fundamentally not true. on friday, we passed a bill that totally funds all of the government at existing levels. it just doesn't fund obama care. now it's time for the senate to actually act. and once -- >> send it back without the defunding of the obama care. >> we'll see what they do. >> we need to work out a budget agreement. that's what we need to do. we don't need to jeopardize the government or even the debt ceiling issue is also going to come about. the full faith and credit of the united states. it's a mistake. that's not the way you operate the government. we simply need to come together and figure out the budget. that's a separate issue. >> this reminds me of the movie "rebel without a cause." you have two cars playing chicken.

two cars are speeding at each other. what happens if neither of you jump out of the way? i mean, are we going to have a car crash here? are we going to have the republicans in the house insisting that obama care gets defunded, the senate insisting that the government in its entirety get funded? so what's the result? is it not now a real possibility that the government will shut down come next month and the beginning of the next fiscal year and a lot of people are worried about that. >> we don't want the government to shut down. the bill keeps all of government open. it just doesn't fund obama care. now it's time to hear harry reid and the senate democrats and see what they can do. they are supposed to be most -- lib rative body. they need to deliberate and debate. we had some democrats even join us in this effort. it's time for the senate to act. we want to see what they come up with. and then we work out a compromise.

that's what the constitution was set up to do. >> that's not the way it works. you don't wait until the 11th hour. you're supposed to sit down over the last few weeks or the last few months and work out a compromise on the budget in terms of the spending -- >> but the house has acted. the house has acted. i understand that. but the house has acted. >> this is what we've been getting from the republican leadership, which is we're going to do this, and it's my way or the highway. >> you're telling me that the president didn't say that? >> no. the president -- >> he said exactly that. >> he said that obama care is not something that he is going to negotiate because it shouldn't be part of the budget. >> his way or the highway. >> he even sat down with the senate democrats or with the house democrats in the last few weeks and tried to work out -- >> we did pass a bill. and that's what the united states house of representatives is supposed to do. we're not supposed to pass a bill? >> you're supposed to work with us and try to come up with a compromise. >> we did. we got every republican in the house minus one and a couple of democrats and passed the bill. >> and not negotiating with the

house leadership or the committee. they are saying here it is, take it or leave it. >> i have to ask you both. we have seen you give your points of view. unfortunately, they are 180 degrees apart. congressman pallone, the same question i asked congressman chaffetz just now. what do you tell the people in your district of new jersey, where i used to live, what do you tell them when they say i'm a g.i. and i expect the check at the end of the month. am i going to get the check. i'm a retiree. am i going to get the check. i get veteran's benefits. am i going to get the check? what do you tell those constituents when they ask you that? >> i tell them that they must insist that their representatives be willing to sit down and work out an agreement. and i am telling you that the house republican leadership has not been willing to sit down with the democratic leadership in the house or the senate and work out an agreement. as jason said, well, we'll pass a bill. you take it or leave you. you want to amend it next week,

that's fine. but as this process of take it or leave it continues over the next 10 days or so, we get closer to a government shutdown. and that shouldn't be the way we operate. the house leadership adjourned until next wednesday. that doesn't make sense. you had five days to sit down with us to come to an agreement. hopefully, cooler heads prevail, and the gop leadership is willing to sit down with the democratic leadership. but that's not the case. >> if the democrats, geraldo, have a suggestion, we're totally open to it. i have heard nothing other than we're not going to negotiate. that's exactly what the president has said. >> that's not true. we gave -- >> it's my turn. >> there's a democratic alternative out there. it doesn't include defunding obama care, but it has an alternative budget. and we can work out our differences. >> geraldo, the house of representatives has done the responsible thing, well ahead of the deadline, and passed a bill. it is now the role and responsibility of the united states senate to debate that, come up with something, and probably pass it back to the

house. from there, we can figure it out. >> gentlemen, enjoy the rest of your weekend. thank you very much. i'm afraid we have a grim prognosis. but at least articulately stated. congressman chaffetz and pallone, thank you. up next, this guy should have his own reality show. he is a foul-mouthed, anti-obama machine gun-toting police chief who has become an internet sensation. and he's next with craig, after this. color, and design. showing up where we least expect it. and taking inspiration from our wildest dreams. because kohler doesn't see the world in fixtures and faucets. it reimagines. coloring our lives in ways only bold could do, it's no wonder the world can't wait to see what kohler does next.

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the guy you're about to meet is a pennsylvania police chief the guy you're about to meet is a pennsylvania police chief who has been fired for posting really foul-mouthed videos on youtube trashing the president, trashing the secretary of state john kerry. but now the chief, who's been fired, is planning his political comeback. craig investigates. >> secretary of state john kerry. that piece of [ bleep ] is a traitor. who is he to decide what we can and can't own? and [ bleep ] the u.n. >> reporter: this summer, police chief mark kessler here in gilbertson, pennsylvania, got into hot water for posting videos online and firing an automatic weapon while criticizing gun laws in america. mark says he was within his constitutional rights.

>> do you know what i have to say? come and take it, [ bleep ]! >> reporter: the former coal miner turned police chief blasted with fully automatic weapons after criticizing international gun control efforts. the only full-time officer in this coal mining town was suspended for 30 days without pay for what the gilbertson council said was unauthorized use of the weapons. >> i didn't need permission because the weapons were issued to me as chief of police and was covered in my contract. i have a very particular contract where i was able to write out all politics. i wrote out the council, governing body. i wrote out the mayor. and i didn't do that as a mistake. if you didn't get enough the first time around, go [ bleep ] yourself and get some more. >> reporter: each video inflamed tensions with town officials. and in the wake of bloody scenes

of carnage in sandy hook, aurora, colorado, the navy yard in washington, d.c. and the streets of chicago outraged gun control advocates. >> you represent 800 people here in your town, but it's a bigger county. and then the rest of the country, definitely on edge from these mass shootings. don't you think you scare people? >> i can't speak for other people. but i got their attention, you know. >> in a good way or a bad way? >> i have a lot of support pouring in from around the country and internationally, to be frank. >> but you have also received death threats. >> several. >> how does your family feel about that? >> well, they don't particularly care for it. but, you know, they want to come and try me, they are more than welcome. put two right into her. there's nancy pelosi with her gavel. >> reporter: why would you post these videos?

you're an officer of the law, of peace, i would think, and you're firing a fully automatic weapon more than once, naming targets after politicians, local council people that you're mad at. what does that represent as a cop? >> well, i didn't name any local councilmen. i just, you know -- >> reporter: who was eric? >> eric is a fictitious individual. leave it at that. this target here is named eric. >> reporter: but on his radio show, kessler said his cutout, eric, reminded him of the council vice president, eric boxer. are you anti-government? are you anti-gun control? is it one issue? is it all the issues? >> it's a little bit of everything. i'm not anti-government in any way. i truly believe in what our founding fathers started. not what it's been perverted into. i am definitely pro gun. always have been, always will be.

>> i think he stands for everything our country is supposed to be. the charges and everything they are giving him is total, you know, baloney. you know, i'm going to sensor what i say but i don't want the people to hear it. but freedom of speech, try and take it away from us. >> he is an embarrassment to pennsylvania and an embarrassment to this town. to schkukill, pennsylvania. he doesn't represent the great police chiefs we have in pennsylvania. >> reporter: thursday, the town council met to vote for what chief kessler called his termination hearing. >> i asked counsel to make a motion to suspend mark kessler pending termination of his employment. >> reporter: while critics and supporters gathered. >> he is hiding behind the threat of violence and intimidation. >> reporter: do you think you divided this town? >> i think i brought it more together than anything. >> reporter: do you have any regrets of the videos you posted on youtube? >> none. no, i don't. >> reporter: would you do it again? >> probably. >> reporter: what's next?

>> >> hopefully i'll win sheriff. hopefully i'll be the next schuylkill county sheriff. >> reporter: with his newly formed constitutional security force, the chief says his message is resonating throughout the country. but to some here in gilberton, they say they have had enough of the chief. geraldo, back to you. >> craig, i have to say i see their point. thanks a lot. up next, a lot of history made this year at the miss america contest. you'll meet one of the ground breakers, miss kansas, joining us right after this.

you mean miss 7-eleven. >> iedness necessa didn't take . this is something i experienced oen a smaller scale when i won miss new york. i knew when i won miss america it would happen on a larger scale and it did. >> that is noon neen. humanitarian aid a chance to talk to her on the radio show. the first woman of indian heritage to win miss america. while nina didn't get as much flak as miss universe contestant it was close. my ghex guest experienced controversy. teresa veail, miss kansas. she is joining us from kansas city. welcome. delighted to have you on board. congratulations. >> thank you. thank you so much. thanks. >> you are a sergeant in the army national guard right now? >> that's correct, yes. >> which is more controversial, you being an active member of

the military or you having tattoos. >> the tattoos are more controversial for sure. >> where are they and what did they say? >> the serenity prayer runs down my right side and the army dental insignia is on my back. >> what were you thinking when you got the tattoos. i have three daughters among my five children and i say please swear to god you will never get a tattoo. what were you think something. >> i wanted people to ask me about them. they are conversation starters and remind me of my past, my present and future. i wanted people to say tell me what this means to you and that would be a way for me to get my message across. >> reporter: you hail from, or you were based in fort leavenworth, is that where it started? >> my dad was stationed in fort leavenworth and where i competed for my local title. >> reporter: the folks on the base, how are they responding to your great success? the fact aud terrific run and

looked so lovely. >> they love it. i'm especially getting a lot of attention from the female soldiers. they are saying finally somebody is saying look at me. i'm a soldier but i can also be, you know multifacetted and be feminine. they are loving it. >> i see you shooting the bow there. you should maybe try out for the hunger games, the next film. >> i'd love to. like i said, that's my passion. that's my talent. i wish miss america would have let me to do that on the stage. i had to go with second best. >> can you give me a minute on -- it's a topic that deserves its own show. but sex harassment, rape and so forth in the military. can you be a spokesman for that awful problem. >> i'd love to. it happened to me. i was 19 years old when it happened. it was just verbal, thank god. but i think given the experience i have speak out against it an help other female soldiers to

stand up against it and tell their commanders about it. i think an independent source should be able to investigate. i think the military needs to look in to that and they are which i'm very happy about. we are working against it. we are. >> reporter: working against that and breaking stereotypes. >> that's right. >> an enjoying terrific success and bringing great glam glamour and glory to the folks you serve with in kansas and it's fantastic. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> what's the biggest -- what's the biggest thing that has changed in your life? >> the fame. you can't go anywhere without not being noticed. i went to get coffee today in my hometown anne and is that miss kansas? that is miss kansas and five minutes later it was all over twitter, i just saw miss kansas at the hive b getting coffee. you have to look good when you

go out. >> if you go to hollywood, you have to say i'm not in kansas stim. >> thank you for coming on and thank you for your service. and a delight having you on board. thank you very much. appreciate having you. one thing i want to say before i say good night about the threat to shutdown the government. the last time it happened in 1995, i remember it well, newt gingrich, speaker of the house. bob dole was about to beat bill clinton for the presidency and they laid off 800,000 federal workers as a result of the shutdown. the parks were closed, the veterans services, as i mentioned earlier when i was talking to the two congressman they were delayed, the taxpayers bill as a result of the shut down, $1.4 billion. come on. there's a better way. don't do that. thanks. see you moochlt well, if you knoe who also rides, send them here -- we got great coverage.

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