brian holloway. >> it's a lesson to our viewers, you have to stay through the whole show. >> you really do. >> and the foxandfriends.com where we'll dissect this after. we start with the fox news alert. new gunfire reported at this moment at that mall under siege in nairobi. that violent and horrific islamic terrorist attack continues after 24 hours, with reports now that those terrorists include both men and women. >> well, we're hearing right now that about four americans are believed to be among the wounded in that attack in that mall in kenya and the death toll continues to rise. this is armed militants linked to al qaeda, continue, as we

report, to remain inside, they say, with other hostages. it's the west gate mall, in the heart of downtown nairobi. it was backed on saturday for shoppers. that's when militants launched their attack with grenades and assault rifles, showing no murszy. the kenyon secretary said so far the death toll stands at 59. that's expected to increase, and 175 shoppers have been wounded. the terror group, al shabab, claims responsibility for this attack, making it clear they were targeting non-muslims. and good morning on this sunday morning, and welcome to our headquarters. >> at least 10 to 15 gunmen are still believed to be inside the mall with a number of hostages. now, the mall is frequented by westerners and kenya's elet. a survivor speaks of the harrowing scene and how she and others hid from their attackers. >> the young one, the gun.

we were trying to get out. it was difficult. so at that moment, they seemed to be going to the vehicle. when they went away, i went to the basement. >> conor powell is live from our jerusalem bureau with more. conor? >> this is still very much an ongoing situation. the kenyon authorities just provided a quick update a few minutes ago and said that the 10 to 15 gunmen that are believed to be in there are now cornered in one spot in the entire shopping mall and that kenyon security forces are moving in to try to neutralize them, but they're taking their time because of the fear of hostages. it's not clear exactly how many hostages are there, but the red cross is saying 49 people are unaccounted for right now. it doesn't necessarily mean there are 49 hostages. that just means it's

unaccounted. estimates have gone from 50 to 200 or so hostages. israel has sent a special team to nairobi to help with negotiations. the shopping mall that was attacked is owned by a wealthy israeli man. it believes the mall was chosen as a sign of the west. israelis there are only helping to assist. they will not be part of any type of siege. more than 1,000 people have safely escaped from the mall including some earlier this morning, even as gunfire continues to erupt there. now al shabab gunmen stormed this mall with ak-47s and grenades. loud bursts of gunfire continue to fill the air in nairobi. witnesses say the attackers were targeting non-westerners and not-muslims, even ordering some muslims to leave a food court area. the death toll right now stands at 59 people. but with the ongoing gunfire and violence and hostages, there's real concern that number could increase in the next few hours

or so. >> indeed. conor powell, thank you very much for the latest from our mideast bureau. >> it's saturday afternoon, a mall, with sushi and espresso. frozen yogurt, just like any mall in america. so what do we do when these so-called soft targets are attacked by islamist terrorists. john, a fox news contributor, joins us now. sadly, ambassador, on this morn morni morning, as the death count continues to rise, how do we stop the islamist terrorists like al shahab from killing us? >> what is significant about this attack is not only that it's still ongoing almost 24 hours into it, but that al shabab is a mogadishu somalia-based terrorist group, yet it has found the where ppwil to attack not in somalia but in the capital of kenya. it's an al qaeda affiliate. this was obviously well planned.

and i think one key question for the kenyon authorities is, did the terrorists mount this attack entirely based on supply lines back in somalia? or were they aided by kenyons who were sympathetic to their cause? that's potentially quite significant, but i think it shows across the scene in africa, subsaharan and africa, as we saw in mali, libya, sudan, they represent a growing threat to stability to the regimes all across africa, and that has to concern us greatly. >> how does that affect us? >> look, we've got enormous commercial interest in transiting the red sea. in shipping through the indian ocean and commerce in the mediterranean, and in the stability of governments in africa that have substantial muslim populations. if government deteriorates and

the governments there are not strong to begin with, let's be clear, but if you have more your yeahs of essential anarchy like we have had in somalia for going on two decades now as appears to be developing in libya, in yemen, and elsewhere, you could see potential for terrorist organizations to take root across a huge geographic area. not contined to a country like afghanistan, but you could see the breakdown of government then, authority across the entire north african part of that continent. that would be a huge victory for the terrorists. a great risk for europe and the first instance. great risk for america as well. >> that's a frightening prediction that this could metastasize and hurt more afghanistans. you have iran and tehran supporting terrorist groups and president rowhani coming today. will this be a focus? >> this has to be at the center.

iran, in addition to the threat posed by its nuclear weapons offensive and its charm offensive, which too many americans have been buying, iran has long before the world's central banker of terrorism on an equal opportunity basis. sunni, shia, it doesn't matter. they arm and finance terrorists of all stripes. i think this is a potentially quite significant gathering in new york where people ought to be talking about the terrorist threat, not succumbing to the propaganda machine in tehran. >> there's talk of an informal meeting between mr. rowhani and president obama. you're in the hallways. the world leaders walk right past you. is that orchestrated, possible, what do you expect? >> as you know from your days covering the u.n., if they want to have a meeting with obama and rowhani?

even a symbolliic hand shake fo the camera, it's easy to arrange, at the secretary-general's lunch on tuesday for the heads of state, in the hallways, whenever there's a clutch of cameras, they can make it happen. the real question is why the president of the united states should shake hands with a top official. not the top official, a top official of a government that even to this day, the obama administration lists as a state sponsor of terrorism. if you take state sponsors as being effectively terrorists themselves, why should the president shake hands with a terrorist? >> that's an excellent point, and why should the president believe what he says? it's the same tune for all these years. mahmoud ahmadinejad said the same thing. look at this from two years ago. >> do you want to pursue a nuclear bomb? >> translator: is there a law that tells me i must swear to convince others? i have said on numerous occasions that we do not want an atomic bomb.

>> why should we believe you? you're violating four u.n. resolutions. you've kicked out u.n. inspectors. why should the world believe anything that you say on this subject? >> translator: we do not insist that you should believe us. we've never said that you should. you are free not to believe us. >> now, it's six resolutions and they started 1,000 more centrifuges. >> that was an excellent conferenrontation with ahmadine who was the ugly face of the islamic resolution. hassan rowhani comes as the smiling face of the resolution, but there's no evidence whatsoever that he or the ayatollah or any of the top leadership in iran have slifted in the slightest from their 2 20-year-long goal of achieving nucle nuclear weapons. do they want relief from economic sanctions?

yes, will they make concessions to do that? yes, will they compromise their nuclear program? absolutely not. rowhani is bringing with him the p.t. barnum doctrine, that is there's a sucker born every minute and he's hoping there's one in the white house right now. >> new face, no shift, says ambassador john bolton. thank you. >> thank you. all right, high drama on capitol hill after the house passes a stop-gap spending bill that strips funding for obama care. there's no chance the senate will pass the measure, threatening a government shut 37 down just aig days from now. republican senator rand paul says it's, quote, a dump idea to shut down the gump and he admits the health care law is unlikely to be repealed or defunding but he said republicans should keep fighting the law to gain leverage. bob is manager of the hills. good morning, bob. >> good morning.

>> what sort of leverage might they cagain? >> well, it remains to be seen. certainly, there's a lot of jockeying on both sides for leverage. republicans are divided on this obama care strategy. some senators, including senator buhr and senator mccain, don't agree with senator cruz and senator paul that they're going to get what they want. democrats, on the other hand, they're at odds with each other on sequester. they don't want to pass any funding bill that continues sequester. fasten your seat belts. it's going to get pretty ugly over the next week. they're nowhere close to a deal. >> you mentioned senator ted cruz. he's doing an exclusive interview on fox news sunday. he's been vocal and adamant about defunding obama care by any means necessary. what do you make of the senator's all-or-nothing approach? >> house republicans have been upset with him. they did not want to go with this strategy. they came up with an alternative strategy, but conservatives in the house said no, we're not

going to go along with it. and democrats weren't going to vote for that bill, so they had to shell that and embrace the ted cruz strategy. now, they have passed a bill through the house. they're saying, ted cruz, you have to carry the ball in the senate. in the senate, republicans don't have the vote for this. that's where we're going to hit a stalemate and the relationship on capitol hill are pretty strained right now. >> so do you think, bob, the ultimate goal is to delay a vote on a bill incorporating funding for obama care? >> i think certainly the republicans' goal is to get something out of this. and i think that speaker boehner is going to go to the white house and say, you've got to give me something so i can go back to my conservative colleagues and say, we got something. now, the president is saying, we're not going to defund obama care, but maybe they could kill a payment panel that republicans had dubbed the death panel. and maybe kill that. there's hato be some type of deal, and republicans are going to have to offer something on funding that democrats want. but right now, those talks are

not ongoing at all. it's just jockeying, ping-ponging back between the house and senate. >> what might be enough? i mean, at the end of the day, if there's some give on the side of the obama care folks, the administration is saying, okay, we'll give you this, is it ever going to be enough? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, certainly, there are some conservatives in the house and senate that it's never going to be enough. that's a problem here. that's the stalemate. so i don't think there's any type of deal imminent. and honestly, i think we might have to have a government shutdown where let's see how the politics play out. one side is going to get the advantage, and then maybe a deal is struck. the chances of a government shutdown are the highest point than at any point in the obama i think it's over 50/50 right now because the sides are so far apart and we've only got nine days. >> if it gets to that, which party benefits from the strategy and who might it backfire on? >> you look back in the

mid-1990s and it hurt newt gingrich and congressional republicans. that's where congressional leaders in and house and senate, they don't want a shutdown, they have said that. they don't think it will be advantageous to them. and polls show the president has a advantage if there's a shutdown, but things can change. congressional ratings are low. the president's approval ratings are low. who knows what is going to happen if the government shuts down. right now, though, it looks like republicans would suffer. >> of course, we have different factions with different playbooks. let's fast forward to when this game's over. how do you think it's going to look? >> well, you have another showdown over the debt ceiling. unless they strike some type of deal over the next nine days that includes the government funding and the debt ceiling, that's highly unlikely. republicans think they have more leverage on the debt ceiling because the president said i won't negotiate and the republicans have said fun,

saying why won't you negotiate? you negotiate with the russians on syria. why won't you negotiate with us getting spending under control. they think they have the leverage there. these are two ugly showdowns and right now, wall street is getting nervous. >> and americans are as well. >> absolutely. >> they're over it. bob, good to see you on this sunday morning. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. remembering the victims of the navy yard shooting. there will be a somber service in washington later today. we will be covering it. stay with us. this is claira. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for her, she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes. [ claira ] after the deliveries, i was okay. now the ciabatta is done and the pain is starting again. more pills? seriously? seriously. [ groans ] all these stops to take more pills can be a pain. can i get my aleve back? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap. for my pain, i want my aleve.

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that. >> that's republican texas senator ted cruz on fox news sunday this morning demanding the defunding of obama care. will the government shut down over this? joining us is chris wallace. good morning, chris. >> good morning. >> he's making a point and not giving up. >> he's certainly making a point, but i tell you, he has ticked off a lot of republicans. not democrats, but republicans, with his plan. let me just basically explain it. sunset snetd is going to consider the house bill, it defunds obama care. ted cruz is saying, unless harry reid is going to agree that any amendment to take out the obama care would need 60 votes instead of a bare majority of 51, which he doesn't have to do under the senate rules and which he won't do, then we should block the bill which the house passed which we all favor, which defunds obama care. it's not going to happen. there are a lot of republicans who are very upset with cruz.

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