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>> elisabeth: mike said, #buildteamwork. taking lumps together is part of it. >> steve: listen, this team will be back with you tomorrow, same time, same channel. have a great day. here now, "america's newsroom". fox news alert. could there be a deal in the works to keep the government running while putting pressure on obamacare on the white house. house republicans at this moment meeting behind closed doors. the issue is funding the government for just a week. that would buy lawmakers a bit more time. funding from obamacare from the deadline of next tuesday, october 1st, to thursday october 17th. that is when the government runs out of money and has to raise the debt limit so it can borrow money to pay its bills. you got all that? i'm bill hemmer. welcome here. "america's newsroom." morning at home. martha: food to give yourself a delay on those things, right? i'm martha maccallum.
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good morning, everybody. this delay could be kind of a perfect storm. the short-term fix would tie the two issues together. it would put the budget battle and debt ceiling issue together and the government would face on that a government shutdown and potentially first ever default on our debt. bill: look at that number. 17 trillion. stuart varney, fox business network. good morning my friend. big picture, what's up? >> we're shifting the threat deadline as you reported into mid-october. looks like there will be some kind of a deal on the budget to keep the government running from october the 1st onwards, okay? so the threat moved from monday night, tuesday morning, to mid-october. that is the threat from the debt ceiling. this puts greater, much greater pressure on president obama to get some kind of a deal because at that point, mid-october, we run out of money. pressure on the president because he is the chief executive officer of the
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country. it is up to him to get a deal. he will get far more of the blame if we don't get a deal than if we hadn't got a deal over obamacare and the budget. shifting the time deadline threat. bill: stuart, will we default? is that still a threat or not? >> no. default, technically, default is when you do not pay back the principle and interest which you owe. after october the 17th, we still have awful lot of tax money rolling in each and every day. that will take care of principle and interest payments for some time to come. you default weeks down the road if there is no agreement. bill: you have the debt ceiling battle. i mean 17 trillion, the stakes are even higher for that, are they not? >> yes. for the first time ever it is possible, first-ever default is possible with this deadline of october the 17th. america has never, ever, defaulted on its debt, to my knowledge. it certainly hasn't in my lifetime. that's the threat that hangs over everybody. bill: come back to the issue
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regarding the president. you say there is more president, pressure rather than on president obama. why? >> he is the ceo of the country. he runs the executive brand of country. it is his job to pay the bills run up by his administration. he is in the hot seat here. he gets far more of the blame if there is no debt agreement, he gets far more of the blame he than he would have had he shut the government down monday night or tuesday morning. bill: got it. republicans will meet behind closed doors. they will come out and talk sometime this morning. how big is the gop wish-list. >> raise the debt ceiling. sign the pipeline deal, keystone pipeline or bet rid of the medical device tax. those are relatively modest propositions. the big deal is time. how much time will the republicans give president obama? how much money will they allow him to spend, how much money and what time frame will they allow
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him to raise the debt ceiling and spend? odds are the republicans want six months. we're into this all over again and obamacare comes right before the election next year. bill: we hope to hear from them in coming hours. stuart varney, thank you. check you out at 9:20 on fbn. stuart leading the coverage. here is martha with more on this. martha: many republicans said they don't want to shut the government down in terms of that action which stuart and bill were just talking about. they also though, do not want to fund the president's health care law which we heard quite a bit about in recent days. here is rand paul on that. watch. >> you know ultimately i don't think it's a good idea to shut down government either. i will not vote for one penny for obamacare. i will not. i will not vote for any spending bill that has money in it. but i also don't want to shut down government but i think the destructive nature of it. martha: the debate on at original house measure to keep the government running and to defund obamacare is expected to run into the weekend when senate majority leader harry reid is
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expected to strip out that provision on the senate side and kick the budget deal back to the house. what will happen there is the big question. bill: there is still drama in all this. house minority leader nancy pelosi accusing republicans of holding america hostage over its agenda. >> the republican agenda keeps going from bad to worse. the republicans keep threatening a government shutdown in order to put insurance companies back in charge of america's health care. now republicans continue to hold the full faith and credit of the united states government hostage to their radical agenda. this morning treasury secretary lew made it clear that the debt limit will be reached on october 17th. as he wrote in his letter, if we have insufficient cash on hand it would be impossible for the united states of america to meet all of its obligations for the first time in our history. bill: so is she right or not? john boehner will speak at
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10:00 a.m. eastern time, one hour from now. we'll have that live for you when it happens on the hill. martha: we have a great lineup of guests for you this morning. in just a couple minutes, former republican congressman allen west will join us whether republicans should stop fighting against obamacare and kind of sit back and watch what happens as it is implemented. then we'll talk to senators marco rubio and john cornyn on ted cruz's epic, non-filibuster filibuster. all that coming up on "america's newsroom." bill: we've seen that before, right? also in a moment here, the president's popularity takeing a big hit. the administration now rolling out obamacare as you know. new polling from cbs and "the new york times" showing the approval rating at just 43%. 49% disapprove. now, that is the lowest since march of last year. 49% disapprove, the highest number we've seen in two years. across the board on foreign policy, the economy, health care, the deficit, more americans disapprove of the job
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the president is doing today than they approve. we're about to find out if that changes over the next couple weeks given the fight we just laid out for you here. martha: think of two big elements that happened during that time period. the syria issue which there was a lost feeling that the president did not hadn't he would it well. the white house did not handle it well. that may be some of the reason you're seeing that in the numbers. big stories, last couple weeks, wal-mart, ibm, all the companies pushing employees off their plans. maybe starting to percolate in these numbers. bill: we'll see. martha: all right. so we have chilling new images of the navy yard massacre and we have to warn you may find these pictures disturbing. the fbi released the surveillance video. look at this. never before have we watch ad killer in action in the way we're seeing in these. you wonder what is going through aaron alexis's mind as he runs through the hallways of that
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building, office to office, looking for people to kill. this is the picture as he went through the security entrance which has been so talked about the in aftermath of all this. steve centanni live from washington with more on this morning. what have we learned from the fbi steve, about details of this attack? >> reporter: a lot of new details coming out, martha, especially this video showing minute by minute what happened during this rampage. it shows alexis arriving in the car 8:00 a.m. before the day of the shootings. bows into the bathroom, assembles his shotgun and talks the holloways looking for victims it. begins on the fourth floor. goes down one level on the and ends up on the first floor where he is confronted by police and shot and killed by police. fbi said he believed he was being attacked by low frequency waves or e.l.f. >> a document retreed from the electronic media stated quote, ultralow frequency attack is what i've been subject to for
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the last three months and to be perfectly honest, that is what has driven me to this. >> reporter: elf is a technology the navy once emwhich conspiracy theorists was used to monitor and manipulate ordinary citizens. on the gun he used written several slow dance and end to the tomorrow meant and my elf weapon. martha: obviously very disturbed man. so why is the video we just watched, very disturbing and controversial, right, steve? >> reporter: that's right. defense officials are furious this tape was released by the fbi because they say it was unnecessary and only adds toot pain of families. they call great tutus. the fbi released video to dispel misconceptions about the shooting including belief that alexis was looking for certain victims. the fbi was saying he was shooting at random and acting
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totally on his own and expected to be killed during the rampage. martha? martha: thank you very much. bill: we don't see those images ever. there is big disagreement within the government if they should have been made government. you imagine how the families feel watching that predator stake down the hallway. martha: all the minutes as he ticked by walking through going from floor to floor. it also makes you think, why can't someone stop him during this part. it is very frustrating to watch. bill: if you look carefully you can see people down the hall, dodging in and out of rooms trying to avoid him. very disturbing. this might be disturbing for a lot of folks too. it is being called a train wreck. it is being called a nightmare. there are new questions whether the republicans should stop the fighting and allow obamacare to crumble under its own weight? will that happen? former congressman allen west on that next. martha: plus the benjamin getting a face-lift and what's new and better about the $100 bill? still worth 100 bucks though. bill: we could use that, right?
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martha: yep. bill: the lessons that have not been learned since benghazi. the scathing report that finds the state department has learned nothing from the attacks that killed four americans one year ago. >> the fact is we had four dead americans. >> i understand. >> whether it was because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night sided they would go kill some americans, what difference at this point does it make ?! [ male announcer ] progress isn't about where you've been.
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the law was made, the people behind the washington, d.c. exchange say they will not be ready come tuesday forethe october 1 deadline. is the health care law falling apart under its own weight and should republicans allow it just to happen? allen west, former u.s. congressman from the state of florida. fox news contributor. you're back in washington, d.c. listen to what mitch mcconnell said about this whole debate on obamacare. >> i think it is pretty safe to conclude that the things that can't work don't stick, don't last. because we are after all representative democracy. people complain and discuss. i don't think this law can possibly stand. it is pretty hard to predict exactly the day upon which it ends. but it is cracking. bill: what do you think? >> well, i have to agree with senator mcconnell on some stances but, i would look at it this way. there are some things that the american people certainly know are heinous. if you look at the fact the
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president has delayed several parts of the affordable care act. one of the most important things i think is the employer mandate. we should delay the individual mandate as well because we see the american people truly suffering in this these economic types. when you look at nearly 2,000 waivers and exemptions that have been granted, that is a sign of washington, d.c. cron anyism. that is something else we should make sure is rescinded. when you think about cuts of medicare and hiring of 16,000 new irs agents when we find out we'll be paying lois learner's retirement. that is the point we say this law should be equal for every single american or -- bill: understood but do you believe that it will collapse under its own weight as mcconnell was just arguing there? >> yeah, we see it happening but i think that if, you know, if it is a law it should be able to stand on its own. it should not have waivers and exemptions to include the exemptions you see up here on capitol hill for members congress and their staffs. bill: to that point should folks
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like ted cruz and others step to the side and allow the law to show the vulnerabilities it already has shown? >> well i think he has shown a lot of the vulnerabilities and i think that what he did was very commendable. it is very honnable. that is what we send senators and members of the house, washington, d.c., to speak for the american people, speak for their constituents. bring out the problems, with, you know, certain policy and aspects of politics. i think he did a very good service for now. as a military guy i will tell you this. when you are in a situation when you are somewhat numerically numbered you have to fight on a narrow front. i believe now if you can be very specific about the things that you believe should be rescinded as part of the affordable care act and use the president's own language of delay. bill: what specifically would you focus on then? what is the target? >> the target for me would be, if i was over there, would be to say, mr. president, since you have delayed the employer mandate and other things we should delay the individual
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mandate. we should rescind these nearly 2,000 waivers and exemptions that have been granted to your friend and cronies. we should not have any exemptions for members of congress and also our staffs. we should have a verification of, for people that are going to enter the exchanges for subsidies. we should not have cuts to medicare. we should not fund the 16,000 irs agents. bill: that's a lot now. that's a lot. the calendar is running here. >> i don't think that's a lot. those are the things american people clearly understand that they detest about the affordable care act. and look, the medical device tax, this is nothing more than a tax law. that is all it is. 20 to 21 new taxes. that is not something the american people need right now. bill: you mentioned waivers and exemptions. we'll show our ruers. the numbers we tracked down already. medicare cuts and employer mandate delayed. subsidy verification delayed. out-of-pocket caps, delayed. you have 2000 businessings and unions with a waiver. congress is going to get subsidies for themselves and
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staff members unless that changes. wow. >> that's where you i think you start. i think if you want to have a law it should be a equal playing field and the executive branch should not be allowed to cherry-pick, that is not part of separation of powers and the balance, separation of powers that we have here. bill: senator rand paul is makeing a bigger point this week. he says when the bills start coming in the state level, they will crumble under the weight of the cost. >> absolutely. bill: do states realize that yet? >> i think some states do realize that. you know, there's a lot of the unintended consequences that are going to come down the pike. look what you have got james hoffa, jr., and unions writing letters to nancy pelosi and harry reid saying, you know you need to fix this thing, everyone realizes that we're going down the wrong path. now the president can, you know, continue to, you know, show his ego and not want to correct this and fix this for the american people and i think it is, astuter varney said, he is chief
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executive officer and show leadership at this point in time and show that he doesn't believe that this is going to be a success come october the 1st. that is why i think it is important for people upon principle to stand up and bring out these points. >> alan west, thank you for coming in. we'll watch the state level story. really the weight of the cost could be phenomenal. so we'll watch that story. we're also going to try to figure out how many uninsured americans are left under the law itself. remember it was supposed to cover everybody. >> still will be millions. bill: based on all the projections right now, cbo says 30 million uninsured for at least 10 more years. we'll see. allen west, thank you again for your time. >> thanks for having me, bill. >> 20 past. martha. martha: a nine-year-old boy is hailed as a hero for his bravery during an apartment complex fire. we'll tell you how he helped to save the lives of his neighbors. look at these pictures. bill: a teacher sentenced to jail 30 days for the rape of a student. he is walking free as the
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bill: so a nine-year-old boy being hailed as a hero. want to show you some video here from the helmet cam of a firefighter a raging fire in a apartment complex. you see a baby being rescued from the flames. he might be alive because an eight-year-old boy who was sleeping over at a neighbor's apartment when he noticed fire and smoke and ran to the halls knocking on doors to alert people. check that out, wow. >> i heard a little boy scream out the window or out the door
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and, we all ran out downstairs. we seen the it on fire and woman had a little fire on her shirt. so i grabbed her. bottom her out to safety. >> crew came in and boarded it up. i came to make sure everybody stayed back. >> i feel a lot better that it is all done and nobody got hurt. that's the main thing. everybody got out safe. >> yeah, thank goodness for that. tennessee that is. five people had to be rescued. others were treated for smoke inhalation. the cause of the fire is under investigation. you never get to see something like that. off the helmet cam with the flames in the background? >> former high school teacher accused of raping a student is set to be released from prison today. stacey rambold's 30-day sentence sparked outrage and protest from those who thought it was too lenient. the judge came under fire for pinning some of the responsibility for this rape on the child whom he described as,
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quote, older than her chronological age. that got a lost a backlash. laura engel is here with more on the story. laura, the judge did try to backpeddle those comments a bit. >> reporter: a little bit here. hi, martha. is really ultimate insult to injury for cherise moralez's family. a singing remark from one person who could have brought the 14-year-old justice in this case. sadly the student committed suicide in 2010 before her former high school teacher stacey rambold went it trial before admitting he raped the student in 2007. he sentenced to 30 days in prison plus 14 years and seven months in probation. he is released today after completing one month sentence by given by g todd baugh. he tried to apologize saying the victim was quote, as much in control of the situation as the teacher. >> ladies and gentlemen, in the,
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rambold sentencing i made some references to the victim's age and control. i'm not sure just what i was attempting to say at that point but it didn't come out correct. what i said was demeaning to all women, not what i believe in, and irrelevant to the sentencing. i owe all of our fellow citizens an apology. >> reporter: cherise moralez's mother called the sentence and the judge's remarks, a travesty. martha. martha: does the have a legal leg to stand on to get more prison time for him? >> reporter: this is something the family certainly is going to try for. protesters are calling for the judge to step down following moralez's death. prosecutors entered an agreement which required rambold to complete a sex offender treatment program and meet certain requirements. when he failed to do so, prosecutors then asked the judge to sentence him to 20 years. there is an appeal pending with the montana supreme court.
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>> the judge said nothing that we haven't heard before. he took no responsibility but seemed to blame everyone else around and it is out of his hands now so we go forward. we're still looking to get the judge removed. >> reporter: the story is not over yet. moralez's mom, auliea hanlon, says the pain of her daughter's death still lingers. martha: thank you very much. bill: it ran 20 hours, 19 minutes, but it was mission accomplished for snorted cruz and the blitz over obamacare. senator marco rubio is here live. i was giving cruz some support. martha: he sure was. the lessons not learned from benghazi. you have to see the scathing report that came out from the state department's watchdog who said it is just a matter of time before the kind of terror attack that killed four americans that night happens again. >> we flew for months over libya, months, we conducted an air campaign.
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martha: pretty shocking report this morning on what looks to be the lessons not learned from benghazi. it's a scathing report that comes from the state department itself. their watchdog has gone over it and decided that almost nothing has been done to boost our security levels at our other high-risk outposts out there. so our diplomats right now are no safer today than they were when four americans were killed in benghazi that night. steve hayes joins me right now, senior writer for "the weekly standard", fox news contributor and rick grenell, spokesman for four of the last five u.n. ambassadors. rick and steve, great to have you both with us this morning. thank you so much. you know, let's dig in here with hillary clinton first because i remember hillary clinton saying, look, don't worry. we looked at the arb, the account review board, thank you, and we're going timely meant all of their recommendations, every single one, steve.
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>> yeah. i think what this latest ig report points to is the fact that the administration has looked at benghazi as largely a pr problem rather than a substance problem. if you go back to the very beginning and the administration's handling of the benghazi affair they tried to suggest to the american people that the real issue here was the security issue and was the attacks themselves. and so when the arb report came out making all of these recommendation, the administration immediately, without hesitation said, we're implementing all of these recommendations, we're doing it. and the press sort of took them at their word. now we come to find out through this general report they're not actually implementing any of the recommendations or many of the recommendations to the ex-extent that they said that they would. martha: rick, it really fortifies the notion that their take on this is just as steve has put it, just walk by and as hillary clinton said, what difference does it make why it happened. they seem to have the
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perspective it is a dangerous world world. stuff happens out there and it is sad and regretable but nobody was to blame. >> look, the state department has spent the last year attacking republicans for making this political and yet they haven't implemented any of the recommendations and i think this is also a very serious indictment and a warning sign for congress. the senate foreign relations committee has made this issue a political issue. senators menendez and durbin and boxer have ridiculed the benghazi people, who have been focused on benghazi. and i think that fox news should get some kudosy have stayed on this issue. adam housley has been very good about highlighting the problems with security and now we're finding out that pat kennedy and tom nides and hillary clinton, all of these individuals at the state department have not been implementing the recommendations and congress has not been doing
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a very food job of oversight here. we need to have hearings. they need to stay on the issues so that the recommendations are actually implemented. >> i mean there were, there is a paper trail here, steve, of requests for more security at that outpest and in libya. when you go back and look at this, wouldn't it just sort of help them to move along which seeps to be what they want to do if they could have had the inspector general look at the report and say yep, you know what? they have taken new measures. security is better. you don't have to worry if your family members work at one of our outposts and set it up. >> if you take the most charitable opinion of the reviews, these reports never reached somebody like sick tear clinton, never reached officials in the position to make the kind of changes that would have happened on the ground in benghazi, even if you believe that view, which was one of theirorg that arguments you have to say now what are you doing to change it? are you making these kinds of
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structural changes that would prevent this, that would allow the kind of requests we saw coming up from the ground in benghazi to reach the people who were in a position to actually implement security changes to keep the people on the ground safe and the answer plainly from this ig report is no. martha: rick, if you're talking to family members or diplomats themselves who are in some of these high-risk areas and one of the most shocking things about this whole situation was benghazi and libya were treated like they were pretty much every other place, you know. they talk about, you know, budget considerations and reasons to pull security back and to replace them with local guards. i mean, you know, i wouldn't want one of those jobs and i wouldn't want one of my family members in one of those jobs at that point. >> exactly. if you're in overseas post that is high risk and dangerous post labeled by the state department you have to look at this report and be very concerned that the security measures that were promised have not been implemented this is a dangerous
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warning sign. it is also a warning sign to the media that have been dismissive, i'm not sure what msnbc will do with the rather report. they will have to explain what benghazi is with the viewers. martha: they jumped on board when greg hicks started talking. it suddenly became a story for everybody. what happens now? you get a inspector general report, steve and does that get swept under the rug as well? or can people expect something will happen? >> i would expect the fact they haven't implemented these changes will get some attention. there was neither part of the inspector general report i disagree with, where they said in effect the accountability review board actually done its job in independent and non-biased way, facts especially from the hearing and. martha: good point. >> the hearings over last couple weeks point strongly in another direction. when we start hearing survivors. that will first take place behind closed doors and congressional committees. ultimately we'll start hearing from them in public.
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there will be a book from somebody on the ground in libya, not in benghazi in october. there is another book coming out beginning of next year by three survivors who were actually on the ground in benghazi. these are stories that will come out and we'll get answers to a lot of questions we don't have answers to right now. martha: great point. we talk about the arb and a lot of questions about their credibility and why they didn't talk to hillary clinton as part of that report. it sure looks like it is being swept under the rug. that could bring it right back. steve, thanks so much. rick, thank you. bill: 21 best hour and the price of the forever stamp seems to be going up like forever. we'll tell you what the post office wants now out of you for that. martha: plus ted cruz's 21-hour talkathon is now over. what is next? we'll ask his colleague, senator marco rubio joins us. >> we have can't be special and exceptional without the american dream and that is what is being undermined by big government and by obamacare. and that at the end of the day why we're so passionate about
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>> if we're going to oppose obamacare is stand together and oppose cloture. i would ask for my friend in the democratic aisle to listen. when americans tried it they discovered they did not like "green eggs and ham" and they did not like obamacare either. listen, i think under no circumstances should members of congress be treated better than what we are doing under the law, forcing upon millions and millions of americans. bill: well, just a little bit of the sound from 21 hours and 19 minutes but what did the texas senator and his opponents of obamacare, what do they have to show for it now? florida senator marco rubio with me now, member of foreign relations committee and intelligence committee as well. sir, welcome back here to "america's newsroom." >> thank you. bill: you were a big supporter of cruz on the floor. what came out of it? >> well, first of all i think we
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can all know for sure that the american people today are a lot more familiar about the dangers and failings of obamacare and the stakes than they were just the day before. sometimes it is important to call attention to these issues and that's why i thought it was important to do this look, there will be real pain inflicted upon the american dream by obamacare and by its different provisions. i think it is important that people understand that. ultimately there will be a vote here. my prediction unfortunately we may not prevail on the votes. tell you what, people across the country will tell you where the individual senators stand. particularly senators that come from states that barack obama didn't win, democratic senators about to vote and in support of a law that will hurt people in that state very badly. bill: i hear a sense of concession in your voice. is obamacare -- >> concession on the vote. concession on the vote over the next 24 hours if the democrats do what they're threatening to do is lock-step vote against this thing, yeah, we'll not win in the short term but i think in the long term we made tremendous
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progress because if you look across this country there are millions upon millions of people who were not paying attention to this debate. they now recognize obamacare is upon us and all the terrible harm it will inflict on the american dream and people who try to make it. bill: you believe fundamentally this is a battle over big government. >> there is no doubt that it is. bill: and people allowed to decide for themselves whether or not the law contributes to that or makes the system worse. what is your prediction? >> that's exactly what this is a debate about, big government versus free enterprise. the defenders of big government always go around saying big government is good for the people trying to make it, the working class and middle class. obamacare proves that big government is not good for the people trying to make it. in fact it hurt the them the most. these big corporations, these very wealthy people they may not like obamacare but they can hire the best lawyers in america to help navigate and best lobbyists in washington get them waivers and exemptions. people trying to make it can't do any of that. the obamacare is the latest proof that free enterprise is
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good for america but big government is not and you're seeing the consequences of that. bill: what now is the strategy? what do you, what do you men and women talking about on the republican side? what do you do now? >> i think the strategy is to use every opportunity at our disposal to try to get rid of this law and of the horrible impact it will have on the american dream and people trying to work hard and get ahead. i think the strategy is to continue to remind people we're not just up here fighting against obamacare, we're fighting for and on behalf of the people that will get hurt by this, including people quite frankly may not be republicans and may not vote for us. we're fighting for them too. they will be hurt. they will lose full-time job. hours at part-time job. lose the existing relationship with their doctor. lose the existing health care coverage they're happy with. that is fundamentally unfair and it is wrong and we have to fight it every chance we can. bill: you believe rand paul and mitch mcconnell the weight of this law will crumble under the weight of its fallacy upon which it is built? you believe that will happen and
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if it does happen, what then in november of 2014 for the people you mentioned? >> well, a couple of things. i do believe the law will crumble under its own weight. the problem when the law crumbles the falling rocks will hit people and hurt people along the way. people right now are being hurt by the law and it hasn't been fully implimented yet. seaworld announced in my home state a week 1/2 ago it is moving all 32 hour part-time employees to 28 hours. those are real people and families hurt by this. who is fighting for them? while they're l with we're waiting for this thing to crumble these people are hurting and someone has to speak up for them as well. bill: you talk to democrats. what do they say in response. >> one law goes into effect the people will fall in love with it. fall in love with the money they get to buy health insurance. they want the thing to go forward because they are convinced people will love it once it goes into effect. what they don't realize what
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they think the law is and those support it are two different things. i can't imagine being happy moved from full time to part time and i can't imagine people being happy losing their part-time job or losing their job all together. they will be fundamentally shocked. bill: do they fundamentally disagree with that opinion and interpretation. law? >> first of all they have got to be careful because they have a left-wing base of their own party that believes in single-payer system. to many people on the left in the democratic party obamacare doesn't even go far enough. so for many of these democrats they would have rebellion on the left flank if they spoke out or criticized obamacare. that is that rigid in the thought process. in the real world they're hearing from the same people we are. that people are upset they will lose their jobs or losing their existing coverage or no longer can continue to see the same doctor and they will hear more and more in the weeks an months to come. it will be a major issue in the 2014 election. bill: senator, thank you. marco rubio from the hill. >> thank you. bill: appreciate your time. to viewers at home,
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bill: if you're sending a letter the old-fashioned way the postal service wants to hike the price
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of postage stamps to 49 cents. the agency is bleeding money. 16 billion in the hole last year alone. in one year! it is trying to find ways to cut costs and raise revenue but so far unsuccessful. martha: maybe a robot can deliver the mail? that's the question right now, could robots take over the workforce? a new study says that close to half of the jobs out there could be taken over by robots. british researchers are now developing software that would make robots, say i need to be a robot, so smart, then i could speak correctly, they could hold key roles in see sight like security guards or even caretakers in some instances. samantha murphy is a technology reporter for mashable.com. hey, samantha, food to have you here today. that is pretty frightening. they looked at 700 jobs and almost half of them could be rey robots. >> yes. it really depends on the type of
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job you're looking at. it doesn't necessarily cross over all different industries but just with computerization in general, people are so scared about computers and robots taking over their jobs but it is really natural evolution, things we've seen in the past. so it is ushering in this new wave and robots, or computers in general are actually intended to make your life a lot easier. so for example, you know, a nurse at a hospital, they would be able to have almost like an assistant folding laundry or getting medicine while they can refocus on patients and giving different care. martha: yeah. >> so a lot of people are nervous about it, but it is a good thing at the same time. martha: but invariably, if the person, if the robot can fold the towels you don't need the nurse who used to fold the towels. and the reason that they're becoming so much more prevalent is that the robots being created have such amazing dexterity. and these sensors that allow them to do things that are so close to human behavior, right? >> right, exactly and they learn
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things over time too. they're getting significantly smarter and they can respond to your own behaviors. so, again, i think people are a little bit nervous but, it is sort of this evolution and it is kind of, you know, it is nerve-racking but it is exciting at the same time. that is going to open up more opportunities for people in the future too. so they're going to have to readjust as well. so, even people with skills, let's say in like the fast-food industry or something like that, they might be a little bit more worried. martha: right. >> then they might want to focus more on the social skills or creativity. there is kind of different ways to get around it. there are other jobs like engineers, which this industry with robots, they will just eat that up. so that is probably more secure, finance, certain areas a little -- martha: we talk so much about health care and restrictions and regulations on businesses and basically robots are a lot easier to employ than a human being. they're never late for work.
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they never ask for, you know, a raise. >> right. martha: so a lot of those things that could be, could make it very attractive to employers to replace with robots. >> that's true. health insurance as well. lots of different, and people, jobs wanting to cut down and save this is certainly one way but at the same time, these are things that aren't happening right now. it's happening gradually. it is not something that is going to just happen overnight. martha: keep our jobs at least for a little while? >> yes, hopefully. martha: gas station attendants and security guys and pharmacy aides all those folks, it is something to think about. is a man that thank you very much. >> thank you. >> fascinating study out of britain. bill, i think you're still okay. bill: don't let them anchor the news. right on. thank you, samantha. we should see john boehner a the mare of minutes on the battle over the debt ceiling and obamacare. we'll bring that to you. the controversy over the drone strike program facing another controversy but something you would not expect.
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martha: so will the countdown to the shutdown be slowed down, it's one of the questions this morning. the senate convening this hour as we await a news conference from house republican leaders at point where we could learn some more about an extra short-term resolution that would keep the government's lights on a little bit longer, right? all right. here we are again, folks. welcome to a second hour of "america's newsroom," i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning at home. the house is talking about funding the government for another week, moving that government shutdown deadline from october 1 to october 17, and with that the debate over defunding obamacare. but that delay could be a gamble. could be. martha: chief congressional
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correspondent mike emanuel's live at the capitol. mike, as we wait to hear from speaker boehner, what's the focus of the republicans in the senate right now? >> reporter: well, martha, it's fascinating because a lot of senators say they're really focused on trying to pick off enough red state democrats to keep harry reid from putting obamacare money back into this critical government funding bill. on the house side, much of their focus has been on the debt ceiling package, in other words, what they hope to get out of agreeing to raise the nation's borrowing authority such as building the keystone xl pipeline, doing tax reform, things of that nature. they're also waiting to see what the senate sends them in terms of this government funding bill. in the senate the gop focus remains on obamacare. >> believe the only solution is to dismantle obamacare in its entirety. as some have said, well, after senator cruz got through speaking today after after his remarkable 21-hour performance,
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well, the debate's over. to them, i would say the debate has only just begun. >> reporter: time is becoming a critical factor. senator ted cruz said he'd like to see the senate vote tomorrow when the american public is paying attention. that's critical because it has to go back over to the house to act, so bottom line, timing is is critical. martha: yeah. and nancy pelosi was not sounding like she was in a negotiating mood. >> reporter: absolutely not. she wants to, essentially, pass the government funding bill. she wants the gop to agree to increase the debt ceiling, and pelosi was not in a laughing mood when she was asked about delaying the health care law. >> totally 100% against. so it's a waste of time. they already had that vote, and if they're going to have that vote in the senate now, and so that's a nonstarter. >> reporter: she calls it a nonstarter. this is a critical day. house members are back from their individual districts. this gives leadership a chance to see where their individual
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members are on these critical matters. martha? martha: sounds like senator john cornyn may be right and that the debate is really just beginning on so many of these issues. we're going to talk to him in a few minutes. mike, thank you. >> reporter: thank you, martha. bill: bret baier anchor of "special report" with us now. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: what do you see here? >> well, i see a battle for the hearts and minds of the american public about obamacare. president obama out again today in a community college making the pitch for young people to sign up for those exchanges. and as we've talked about, that's a key element of all of this, because young people will bear a significant burden in this to pay for and balance out the cost of obamacare overall. but it's an uphill battle in the polls, bill. bill: yeah. and it's going to cost those young americans a little more money. waiting on the house speaker, bret, so in case we get interrupted, but in the meantime, listen to the exchange with jay carney and ed henry as
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to whether or not jay carney would take obamacare. watch. >> you're talking about enrollment. will jay carney enroll in this? will white house staff enroll in obamacare? >> everybody -- you -- >> let's start with you. >> if i -- >> you going to enroll? >> if i in a future life don't have -- >> well, premiums are so great. >> ed, does everybody here agree that we can ask questions and answer them, but if you want to -- you're not even letting me answer the question, ed. >> go ahead and answer. >> i'm not quite sure what you're -- >> would you enroll. >> absolutely. >> it's a simple question. >> absolutely. if i did -- >> [inaudible] >> ed, if i did not have employer-provided health insurance like i'm sure you do unless there's something about fox i don't know, then i would absolutely enroll. and it would be more affordable because of it. and is be, you know, i think you'll see that around the country. bill: are you picking up on those conversations in washington? i mean, listen, for now we have our health care through our employer, but who knows what the
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fox policy will be in a month or six months or a year from now. i mean, we could be with a lot of these other big american companies that have already said the policy's changing. >> there are 313 companies, according to investors business daily, that have -- companies or public entities that have cut jobs, cut hours because of obamacare, changed the way that they're distributing their health care benefits. you're right, bill, happening across the country. you know, that exchange is indicative of one of things that i think will turn in this debate, and that is that perhaps -- and even we'll hear the house speaker momentarily talk about the possibility of changing the pitch on the house side -- saying drop all of the waivers that are for obamacare, including congressional staffers and congress and the administration. and then you have a whole different ball game, because that is something that the american people can get their head around. they can kind of say, yeah, why do they get to be out of this?
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bill: so you think that -- that's a great point. because the subsidies have been granted for members of congress and their leading staff members, right? >> right.and administration officials. bill: and if you expose that and can say, hey, man, you passed this law, and you're not living by the rules of the law, why do we have to? >> right. bill: and then the argument comes back to the individual mandate, whether or not that should go into effect. >> yeah. and be then you have this whole cascading effect. if the individual mandate doesn't go into effect right away, it really -- the law cannot operate fiscally the way it needs to operate. so i think you're going to see this full court press in preparation trying to get young people signed up, but you're going to see these stories starting to come out about various, you know, parts of this law that are not ready for prime time. washington, d.c. says the online system's not ready to go october 1st. they said they could do it by phone.
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you have the irs saying they lost $67 million that they can't account for in implementation. these are stories that are gathering headlines ahead of this battle that's happening on capitol hill. bill: listen, you're living in the city that passed the law, and they're not going to be ready on tuesday. it's a remarkable thing. bret, thank you. we're going to listen for the house speaker. check out bret 6:00 monday through friday, 6:00 eastern time. tell us what you think on twitter, will you sign up come tuesday? can you sign up? you know, what's the the status for things in your state outside of the district of columbia? so we're taking that online now. martha: it's a great question. i mean, and it goes to the issue of fairness. is it fair for some people to be subjected to it and other people not to? because it's going to cost a lot of people more money, this system, right? so you have states that have been exempted, companies that can't handle the extra costs of this plan, so how come it's okay for them to opt out?
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congress in terms of their subsidies as well, and if that gets raised in the house, i think that simple issue of is that fair is going to resonate with people. bill: fair point. boehner will be out in a moment, see if he has something on in this. martha: all right. the top republican lawmakers raising concerns over a drop in the number of u.s. drone strikes abroad even while terrorists stage dozens of new attacks around the world. house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers wants the administration to explain that apparent change. >> there have been counterterrorism changes made by the administration that concern us all, things that we've been working on for a period of months that we're trying to work through that are very, very concerning. this is no time to retreat. martha: senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler is live at the white house, so how is the administration responding to mike rogers' concerns, wendell? >> reporter: martha, the folks here say the u.s. is still aggressively working with allies to deal with groups like
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al-shabaab, but they won't confirm whether the number of drone strikes has actually declined. president obama is being pushed by a coalition of liberal democrats and libertarian republicans to reduce the drone strikes, and in his address to the u.n. general assembly this week, he seemed to suggest he's sympathetic. >> these new circumstances have also meant shifting away from a perpetual war footing. beyond bringing our troops home, we have limited the use of drones so they target only those who pose a continuing imminent threat to the united states, where capture is not feasible and there's a near certainty of no civilian casualties. >> reporter: at the same time, aides say mr. obama will not back away from the fight against al-shabaab, martha? martha: we just listened to chairman mike rogers a moment ago whose committee has oversight over the u.s. drone strikes. what else is he saying on this matter? >> reporter: well, rogers says e personally reviews every strike both from the civilian side and the military side, so
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he would presumably know if the president has dialed back the use of drones. rogers was very strongly opposed to mr. obama's goal of putting the drone strikes under the pentagon's command instead of the cia, and he's concerned it might be too soon to end what the president has called a perpetual war footing. >> if you believe that al-qaeda has been beaten and we don't have to worry about it anymore, you'll see a lot more of nairobis and other events. this is no time to, for the administration to take the posture that we can slow down, we can take the foot off the gas. that is dangerous. >> reporter: most experts believe the nairobi mall attack was triggered by kenya's attacks on al-shabaab in somalia as part of the african union force in that country. in 2010 the terrorist group bombed a crowd watching a world cup soccer match in uganda, a country that a also has troops in the african union force. martha: and mike rogers, of course, is former cia which is of interest there as well.
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wendell, thank you very much. bill: al-shabaab came out already today and said, you know, more attacks are in the works, we're planning them right now. we'll see whether or not these soft targets in africa are victims again. a tale of two marathon speeches now. republican senator ted cruz versus the democrat state senator wendy davis. why the media treated one as a hero and the other as much less than that. martha? martha: and fires raging out of control, threatening dozens of families and their homes. where that is happening. bill: and the greatest comeback, would you argue, in american sports history? team usa sailing to victory. martha: fantastic story. love it. ♪ ♪
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bill these winds are fierce, 60 miles an hour fueling these out of control brush fires, australia, this is. triggering evacuation, a threat to a lot of homes down there. those high winds causing widespread blackouts. we saw this a year ago and the year before that. police believe some of these fires were acts of arson. we'll see what happens. martha? martha: well, there's a new debate over two senate marathon speeches and whether the press treated them the same. first is the democratic state senator, wendy davis, who delivered an epic filibuster against a texas abortion law back in june. it later passed. and then you've got ted cruz on the senate floor yesterday. >> members, i'm rising on the floor today to humbly give voice to thousands of texans who have been ignored. >> i intend to speak in opposition to obamacare. i intend to speak in support of defunding obamacare until i am no longer able to stand.
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martha: and on he went for 20-plus hours. the media hailed senator davis' speech as courageous. the president's team even tweeted about davis after her june speech saying this: something special is happening in austin tonight, hash tag standwithwendy. and then senator harry reid tweeted this: with all due respect to senator cruz, i'm not sure that we learned anything new. it's been interesting, but it's also been a big waste of time. doug schoen was an adviser to former president bill clinton, monica crowley's a radio talk show host, both are fox news contributors. welcome to you both. >> thank you. martha: doug, why? >> look, there is some media bias, i would be the first one to acknowledge that. but bottom line, i think ted cruz, martha, got a lot of criticism because what he's doing is is impractical, it hurts the republican cause, and you may call him heroic, but ultimately he's president obama ma's best ally. half the republican caucus is
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against him. it's not going to work, and ultimately, it's going to raise the democrats' numbers not to fund the government. martha: that addresses the question of whether or not it was an effective effort politically. >> i think that's why he got criticized as he did. martha: the treatment, you know, none of the major networks covered ted cruz's filibuster in the evening when it began, then in the morning when everybody was talking about this thing, i think you better get on it, little by little, you saw more folks taking a look. >> yeah. and the standard is effectiveness, wendy davis' filibuster didn't any effect either. so her filibuster was designed to make a political point as well. the media in this country are so corrupt and so leftist. you'd be hard pressed to find a more stark example of media bias here. if her case they praised her looks, her blond hair, the way she was dressed and, of course, all of this -- the root of all of this is the issue for which
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she stood on that texas state senate floor which was abortion. so the leftist media exalts the cult of death known as abortion in this country, and that's why they were cheering her on. but a charismatic conservative like ted cruz who defended individual liberty and economic freedom in in this country for nearly 23 hours, he gets torn apart by the press. it tells you exactly where they're coming from. martha: yeah. and you just acknowledged that to some extent as well, doug -- >> sure. mark march -- in terms of the way it gets treated. part of it, i think, was fed into in ted cruz's situation because his party was slamming, and we're going to talk to john cornyn about that. >> a lot of people basically said this is impractical, we'd rather win elections than win debates that hurt us. but take the filibuster that rand paul had on the uses of u.s. power. martha: right. >> there were aspects that the left and the right liked --
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martha: that's true. that's a good point. >> he got a pretty darn good -- martha: because that issue happens to go across party lines as well. >> right. >> and that's the point. there's no effort here, marsha, to reach across -- martha, to reach across party lines to do portability, tort reform. if the republicans were saying this is an unpopular law, i think they would have done a lot better. >> what's so interesting, though, is when you talk about media coverage of this. you know, ted cruz stood up, and he was representing what the majority of americans want. most americans oppose obamacare. most americans would like to see it repealed either in its spirity or in part -- he was representing what most americans think and believe on this issue and still the mainstream media were not covering him. what's particularly shameful is, as doug points out, that there were fellow republicans going after him. you expect the leftest media to attack. you expect harry reid and barack obama to attack. you don't expect this kind of -- martha: it'll be very interesting to see what happens
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in hindsight, you know? when you go six months down the road, a year down the road, i wonder if there will ever be a time when people say, you know what? that guy was right. we will see. we don't know. >> in the 2016 presidential election, i suspect he'll be running, and i think monica and i both agree he's going to be close to a front runner. martha: really? >> in the republican party, absolutely. martha: very interesting. we'll see. thank yous you guys, monica, doug, have a good one. bill: what will obamacare cost you? we are only days away from the opening of these public exchanges, and we are now seeing the numbers. we'll show you some of those. martha: and a slip and slide like you have never seen before. i hope my kids don't see in this video. ♪ ♪ ♪
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martha: speaker john boehner did step te podium moments ago to talk about where all of this goes from here. here's what he said. >> listen, the american people don't want the president's health care bill, and they don't want the government to shut down. republicans are listening. we passed a bill last week that would do just what the american people have asked. it's time for the senate to listen and pass the bill that we sent over there. on the debt limit, we're going to introduce a plan that ties important spending cuts and pro-growth reforms to a debt limit increase. now, the president says i'm not going to negotiate. well, i'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. we're not going to ignore washington's spending problem, and we're not going to accept this new normal of a weak economy, no new jobs and shrinking wages. so we need to strengthen our economy for all americans, and
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we need to deal with washington's spending problem. martha: and, actually, a few poll out today says that 61% of americans do want to see spending cuts as part of the debt ceiling limit discussions s so we'll see if they get their way. that's the latest from john boehner. bill, over to you. bill: thank you, martha. 25 minutes past the hour now. president obama taking a bit of a hit now with just days to go before the rollout of his signature health care law. 49% disapprove of the job he's doing, that's the lowest we have seen since march of 2012. the reverend jesse jackson, civil rights activist and the founder and president of the rainbow push coalition back with me in studio. how you doing, sir? >> good, sir. bill: always good to see you. why the drag at 43% approval? what's going on there? >> leadership at its best must mold opinion, not just follow opinion polls. you take a principal position like health care, the cost of the absence of it is more cost
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and more dangerous. and so one argues that if you up the age when you can get your parents' health care, pre-existing coverage, what's wrong with that? the doctor of your choice, what's wrong with that? so it is ironic to see people who have good health as the governors and the congress attacking so viciously a health care bill. bill: you're suggesting that those numbers will change once obamacare goes into effect, but what we're seeing here, i mean, the rollout has not been -- it's not been 134509, and i think -- smooth, and i think we can all admit that. >> because the attacks are ideological attacks. bill: if they asked you in that poll, where would you rate with approval versus disapproval? are you happy with the job the president is doing? >> on health care, yeah, i am happy. he is intent for all americans to be covered. and absent of that is fewer and fewer get more and more of the best coverage in the world, and you can't get coverage in pre-existing condition. you can't have that. you can't get coverage between
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that. you can't help that. come out of college without a job, you can't help that. so by providing a health safety net, it's humane, that's the best of -- bill: but a lot of republicans were offering the same ideas, they just didn't want to rearrange the entire economy. but back to the issue of the president and what he's doing, unemployment among african-americans is still in double digits. how do you explain that now five years down the road? >> when he came in office, we had a net loss of four million jobs. we've had a plus every quarter since that time. not must have. and we, in fact, had been able to pass the mass transit with trains that connects town, we'd have had even more employment. he promised to bring us out of iraq, we're out of there. he promised to revive all the industry, it's number one again. there are pluses that must be part of this clues. bill: yeah, but those pluses -- >> i think a snapshot view with
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leadership is not -- bill: but those pluses are not re234rebg9ed in this poll. this is cbs/new york times, only 43% approve. if you have a conversation with the president, what would you ask him to do? >> stand tall and boldly on health care for all americans, a. remain focused on the person's right to vote without being violated which right now is in process. revive the war on poverty. many working poor people who are -- some, i might add -- bill: but you could do that, but you could also help them come out of poverty if you gave them a job or helped them find a job or created a climate that allowed them to be employed. >> well, a part of that climate for jobs if you, in fact, accept fast rail transit, you connect montgomery and birmingham, birmingham and atlanta -- bill: that's one idea. >> that happened in florida. today killed the health bill. the governor said he didn't want the transit route, lost several
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billion dollars and jobs because he didn't want president obama's name on it. so his commitment to create jobs has, in fact, been tackled. i think that too few got too much. you know, i looked the other day, verizon did a $50 billion bond offering, largest perhaps ever, at $265 million in fees. no jobs, no taxes, no -- [inaudible] bill: we can debate that next time, too, but the whole issue about jobs right now especially in the african-american community, i know you're keen on it. i hope you make some progress. >> we need targeted jobs for those who have the most jobs. bill: i'm out of time, the computer's going to cut us off. you're always welcome here. martha: exactly how much will health care cost you under the new exchanges, we're going to tell you that next. bill: also the fallout, ted cruz a day later taking heat from inside the tent. what's that all about? why the other republican senator from texas is now coming out
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♪ ♪ bill: what obamacare might cost you. you're about to hear a lot about the following information. the administration unveiling what americans can expect to pay under these new exchanges. the plans are broken down into four levels. you've got your bronze, your silver, your gold and your platinum, but the costs vary widely between each plan and between each state. news director for the tea party news network and matt mccall is president of the penn financial group. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. bill: okay. i want to show our viewers, all right, let's take the silver plan. that's like the second of four steps. be you're single and you're 27 years old, you make about $27,000 a year, you will pay $145 months after tax credits. stop there, guys. if you were 27, are you going to sign up more that? >> i might sign up for that at 27, but many me personally, no, because i was pretty darn healthy at 27, i'm pretty darn healthy at 37 --
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bill: everybody at age 27 feels that way, right? >> i honestly probably wouldn't sign up for it, no. hopefully, i'd have a job that would offer me health insurance that i wouldn't have to sign up. but if i'm 27 and only making that amount of money, i don't have an extra $150 a month, i really don't. bill: scotty, what would you do if -- >> well, here's what's so funny on this plan, it's based on people paying into the system that doesn't use it. so if you're sitting here resting this whole thing on 27-year-old and 28-year-olds backs, guess what? the majority of them are not going to buy it, and with the fact that if they do get sick they can go to the hospital and get it right there, of course no one's going to buy it. bill: i thought the lead line was telling in "the wall street journal," young, healthy buyers will pay more than they do currently. >> yes. bill: that's predicated on whether or not they can buy into it. >> that's what's wrong with this bill. they can say i'm going to pay my
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$100 penalty a year, but if i do happen to break my leg, i'm just going to get it -- bill: under that same plan, this is the silver plan, you have a family of four, you make about $50,000 a year, you would pay $285 a month after your tax credits or subsidies. is that a good deal? >> i don't know, i wouldn't call it a deal. do i think most families will do that? yes. because if you have two children at home, i think you're going to want to cover your children. is it a deal? no. this hhs report came out in the last 24 hours i. compare it is prices, bill, to what the estimates were for 2016 saying they're a little less than we expected. they're not comparing these numbers to where they were previously. most of these numbers have actually increased previously, so obamacare as far as saving money, it's not. most people in this situation are paying more than they were right now. bill: we just took two examples, and that second example, family of four, is that a good deal? >> the problem is you're not talking about the quality of health care, you're also not talking about the fact that most families are going to have a reduction many jobs from either
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a full-time job to part time, 29 hours, or not a job at all. we see employers continuing to lay off. bill: the math doesn't add up, and this is what you do for a business. you do this for a living, right? you deal with numbers. if the math doesn't add up, how do you compensate for that loss? i can only see one way, and that's to raise your taxes. >> oh, absolutely. bill: is that what you see? >> that's what it's going to come down to. the government still has to pay its bills s so you have to equal your expenditures to your revenue, and how do you bring in more revenue? raise taxes. >> completely. but that's why none of this makes sense. there's no way that we as the american economy are going to be able to handle obamacare. we're resting it on the backs of our children and grandchildren to pay for their grandparents. bill: you call it a ponzi scheme. >> it is. if you think about it, under this law you can stay on your parents' plan til you're 26, yet obama has sat here and said
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we're building this based on the fact that we're going to be able to recruit young people. well, they're not going to be paying in until they're 27 -- >> when you get your first job at 25 years old which a lot of people are doing, unfortunately, the last thing you want to do, you have all your student loans, your bills, is pay $150 a month. you're superman, you're not going to pay it. bill: my guess is tuesday's not going to tell us a lot, but six months down the road we'll start to see with whether or not the states are matching those numbers, then we'll get a real sense as to whether or not the law is taking hold. i've got to run. scottny nell hughes, matt mccal, thanks to you. finish. martha: take a look at this. it looks like fun. is it safe, is the question that the mom in me wants to know. but, boy, looks like a pretty good time. it's a sports camp in butler, ohio. if my kids saw this, they would be begging me to sign them up for this. it's a giant slide, launching people into the pool.
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it's nicknamed the slip and sly. bill: and they're flying. martha: i don't know, what do you think, bill? bill: i think the issue is if you landed on someone else as you went into the water. martha: exactly. and you hope the pool is nice and deep. bill: butler county, southwestern ohio. the home of -- martha: i don't know. bill: my university. oxford, ohio. martha: oh. how could i not know that after all these years? you can go there next reunion. bring everybody other. bill: republicans in the senate are split on how to block obamacare and avoid a possible shutdown of the government. why some in the republican party coming out against ted cruz. is our next guest one of them? senator john cornyn will talk to us live in a moment on that. martha: plus, why did a high school football coach suspend nearly every player on his team? boy, did that make some folks mad. wait until you hear why. >> good character is more to be praised than outstanding talent. >> no, i wasn't part of the disrespect, but i i saw it go on
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bill: he is not messing around. small town football coach suspended nearly every player on his high school team. says he was sick and tired of the reports of guys skipping class and getting poor grades. and allegedly cyberbullying a fellow student. that was not cool. >> it's an honor to put on your school's jersey, and i think sometimes we lose that fact that, you know, in this world of me, me, me we're representing the whole school, the whole community. bill: instead of practice, the team has been doing community service. like that. they return to the football
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field later today for a game that could determine whether or not they make the playoffs out of utah. martha: all right. let's get back to politics now and one of the big questions out there this morning the day after the cruz-a-thon on capitol hill is are republicans shooting in the tent at senator ted cruz, and where is obamacare headed after the whole thing we watched on the hill with senator cruz the other day? i'm joined by his fellow republican senator from texas, john cornyn, senate minority whip and a member of the budget committee. senator, welcome, good morning to you. >> thanks, martha. martha: so is that true, you know, are republicans disgruntled about the way that ted cruz went about this? we hear a lot about that. >> well, i think ted has done more to elevate the visibility of the problems with obamacare and the effort to defund it than any other person i can think of, so i congratulate him for capturing the imagination of the
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american people and, certainly, their attention. but i am actually -- republicans are unified in our effort to defund obamacare which is why i support the house bill. in fact, ted and mike lee and others were instrumental in getting the house to attach this to the continuing resolution that we now have before us in the senate so we can actually vote on it. and what the difference of opinion is really about tactics within the family, i don't think -- martha: what did you not like about his tactics? because he was said to have been very upset that you defected from his way of going about this. >> well, in this isn't about personalities. i think this is about protecting the american people from the failure of obamacare. and if republicans don't support a bill that defunds obamacare, i don't know how we explain that to the american people. and if we allow government to sutt -- shut down, ironically, obamacare still gets funded. so i think a better approach is to put pressure on democrats who
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are running in 2014 from red states. we have a number of democrats running in red states in 2014 and put them on the record again. as senator mcconnell said, and see if, you know, rarely in life do you get second chances, but this is a second chance to get right with the american people. or if they want to double down, it's going to be a big issue in 2014. martha: that's a really interesting issue, and we have that sound from senator mcconnell. let's listen to that quickly, if we could. >> so this law's a mess. it needs to go. it's way past time to start over. and as i've been saying all week, we need just phi brave dem -- five brave democrats to join us to make that happen. so i hope some of our democratic friends who voted for this law will look themselves in the mirror and think, truly think about whether protecting the president's pride is really more important than helping the american people. martha: so, senator cornyn, how would that work?
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what do you expect to happen when this goes back to the house, and then how would you, you know, at what point would you put that pressure on those five brave democrats, as senator mcconnell calls them in. >> well, the vote we're going to have in the senate on the continuing resolution with the defunded provision attached -- martha: right. >> -- it's important that we not kill it by denying cloture on that bill because why would you vote to kill a bill that you actually support? and that would then set up a process by which the, these red state democrats would have to vote to strip obamacare out of here or, perhaps, they will have reconsidered as senator mcconnell said and realize that whether it's richard trumka and organized labor or just listening to their constituents in their states, obamacare's not lived up to its promises, and it's time for us to work together to try to protect the american people from the failure of this misguided policy. martha: all right. senator john cornyn, thank you very much. good to have you here this morning, sir.
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>> thank you. bill: forget the boston red sox winning over yankees in the alcs. that was nothing. fans are calling this one of the greatest comebacks in sports history. why oracle team usa and in this victory so special. that's next. >> to see this come back has been actually nothing short of incredible, it really has. good effort, awesome win for the u.s.
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martha: we are just learning that an arrest warrant has been issued by interpol for samantha luthwaite, the woman known as the white widow. 29 years old, she was married to one of the london transit bombers back in '05, and she is,
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some believe, a person who may have been one of leaders in the attack in kenya. so arrest warrant now issued from interpol for samantha lewthwaite. bill: it is one of the greatest comebacks we have ever seen, oracle team u.s., in a stunning victory over new zealand. here is how it ended up yesterday. [cheers and applause] bill: time running out, that was in san francisco bay. the americans pulling ahead of the kiwis for good after three different lead changes. i mean, listen, that was only like one, like 10% of the story. it's a winner take all race in san francisco bay yesterday. here's the captain. >> look, i think the most important thing we did was never give up, you know? this was a challenge, we faced a lot of adversity over the past, and we fought the whole way to the end. bill: we'll take the accent too.
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jim gray, fox news contributor. how you doing and good morning to you? i understand in san francisco they're going nuts. >> hey, bill. bill: it has not, frankly, gotten a lot of attention. but the american team was down 8-1. they won seven straight races to draw a tie at 8-8, and yesterday was the clincher. why is this so remarkable? >> because of the ability to endure and the ability to come back and the ability to have this much heart and this much courage facing such long odds, bill. i mean, if you take into account that the team was penalized before the race even started for illegally modifying their boat which means they were at a -2 which mean they really had to win -- which meant they really had to win 11 races. it's the equivalent of giving a super bowl team about three touchdowns before the game starts because the ball boy on the team illegally inflated the ball.
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so they were at a huge, huge disadvantage, and to come back after everybody had given up on them -- and they early were dead. i mean, to have this happen, it is remarkable. bill: and a huge pride in this sport too. would you say this ranks as the or one of the greatest comebacks we have ever seen in sports? >> well, it does for the excellence and the achievement, but it doesn't resonate the same way that the red sox came back against the yankees in 2004 in the alcs because no one had ever done that in baseball, and baseball gets a lot more attention. it's not the same as reggie miller scoring 8 points in 9 seconds for his indiana pacers against the knicks back in 1995 because so many people were watching television and took it in as it happened, and it's not quite the same as that nfl playoff game when the buffalo bills came back from a 35-3 deficit and won in the second half against the houston oilers back in 1993. they didn't complete it because they went to the super bowl and lost, but that game was just a
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huge, huge comeback. so this on the achievement in the excellence that it achieved, yes, it will be remembered, and it will be recognized. but so few people saw it, and so few people are aware of it, and so few people follow the sport. so it's getting a lot more publicity, and it's going to become a type of legend now after the fact, and it'll be interesting to see how many people in the years go by now, bill, say they saw it live or were there live. it'll probably grow tremendously. bill: i remember dennis connor as america's skipper, and everybody was paying attention to that. but this not so much. had this been in new york harbor, my friends on the west coast say we would have been all over it. quick point on the technology, these catamarans can travel across that water at 50 miles an hour. that has never been done before, and for that reason this sport be will change forever. jim, i'll give you the last word. >> well, larry ellison, who put
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this whole thing together, of oracle, he is to be commended. the technology is just incredible. he was the one that was allowed to make the rules of the boats and to set up the race and say where it is, and he'll be able too far that opportunity again now since he defended the cup and won it. and it's just brilliant what he has done and the technology. it was silicon valley on the water, and it was just amazing to see how fast those things, they really knew. bill: that's a great line, silicon valley on the water. when you spend $500 million over ten years, it can be that way. thank you, jim gray, out of los angeles. martha: they literally do fly off the water, it's unbelievable. here's the president. we talked a lot about health care today. right now he is at st. george's community college, i believe, in maryland, speaking out about health care and trying to rev up the youth vote for that bill. and let's take a look at the dow, up about 50 points right now. this on the same day that new unemployment numbers came out. they were pretty good, 305,000 people filing for unemployment claims last week, and we'll be
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martha: thank you for spending the last couple hours with us. we love having you here. we'll invite you back again tomorrow, how's that? come on back. "happening now" starts right now. jon: we begin with this fox news alert. get ready for obamacare. right now the president is promoting the new health care exchanges ahead of their kickoff next week. he has chosen a community college in maryland to highlight what he is calling a key cornerstone of the middle class, access to affordable health care a six-month enrollment period for the exchanges begins on tuesday. the obama administration needs millions of americans, especially the young healthy ones to sign up in order to keep costs low for everyone. so you can expect to see a lot of these high-profile events to promote the exchanges and push you towards signing u

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