bill o'reilly, he's tall and smart. >> elisabeth: you want to log on for our after the show show. >> brian: see a replay of this woman getting slimed. >> steve: thank you. >> good seeing you guys. bill: that's the highlight of the week. we are one step closer to a possible government shutdown. conservatives in both houses of congress standing their ground. what's going to give here? i'm bill hemmer live in new york on america's newsroom. martha: you have got the senate set to vote today for funding the government but removing the house's plan to defund obama-care. then we have the ted cruz and mike lee 21-plus hour delay of that and that drew a lot of

criticism from nor corker. >> my two colleagues whom i respect have turned this into a show possibly, and that's taking priority over getting legislation back to the house so that can take priority before the government shuts down. >> if 41 republicans stood together. when we told our constituents we opposed obama-care we minute. so we are not going to be complicit in giving harry reid the ability to fund obama-care. bill: mike emanuel leading our coverage on capitol hill. that's the senate side. what's going none the house. >> reporter: there was some thought they were going on

offense by jumping to the next crisis, the debt limit. i talked to gop members this morning who said they want actual legislative tests, they want a score to see way it's going to cost and they want to see how this is going to play out. they didn't feel a rush to do it now. here is the speaker on this debt ceiling package. >> we are going to introduce a plan that ties spending cuts and and pro growth plan to a debt limit increase. the president said, i'm not going to negotiate. i'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. we are not going to ignore washington's spending problem and accept this new normal of no new jobs and shrinking wages. >> reporter: they have a grab

bag of items that appeal to house conservatives. bill: you are not going to get a lot of sleep this weekend. in the senate they will vote today, but what are they voting on? >> they want to strip out defunding obama-care and sending back to the house and they are hoping the house will pass that. we'll wait and see. senate democrats don't like the idea of republicans going after obama-care either delaying or defunding it. they want clean extensions of the debt ceiling and also what's known as the continuing resolution. >> send us a clean debt ceiling. there is no need for negotiations. we have spoken loudly and clearly and we have the support of the united states and that's pretty good. >> reporter: expect action from the senate on keeping the

lights on after october 21. martha: republican leaders in the house i that republicans don't want a shutdown either. here is the house majority whip kevin mccarthy. >> you don't hear from any republicans saying we want to shut down. we have not shut down since we have become the majority. that's for a political argument. but the argument we want is about policy. the policy of an idea of a system hurting healthcare and hurting america. we found a majority of americans disagree with this bill. we hear every day this is hurting the healthcare for the individual for mom home it's suppose to be provided. bill: a lot of tools we go back to the congressional being the office. the head of that organization

worried about the economy, looking ahead to the next showdown which is the debt ceiling. the u.s. runs out of cash mid-october and will not bible to pay the interest on our $7 trillion in debt if that is the case. '. they warn there will be serious economic damage if lawmakers do not cut a deal. >> confidence in the government paying its bills is the bedrock of our fence system. if that were broken the consequences could be very harmful. bill: he he the failure by the government -- he says the failure by the government to pay its bills could be a very harmful. >> reporter: fit was a long-term shutdown and went on for a week or so there would be

serious economic damage to our economy. but any threats of a shutdown has consequences, too. because itup sets confidence. do we have confidence in our political system to manage the government's fence affairs? yesterday first thing in the morning it looked like we were going to get a settlement. stocks went straight up. then it looked like the shutdown was more likely stocks come down. today that shutdown still looks likely. stocks down again. it's all about confidence. do we have confidence we can organize our political system to manage government financial affairs? that's what it comes down to. wall street does not care about poll techs or political parties. it cares about confidence in our political system and its ability to manage the financial system. martha: what about our daily

lives? >> reporter: 800,000 people would not go to work and they would not get paid at this point. this is a $16 trillion a year economy. if you look at what you get from your investments is not good news. a shutdown would send the stock market down some more. that hurts your 401k and it's sending interest rates down. if you have got a bang cd or you bought a bond you will get less in return from that cd or that bond. a shutdown is not good news for you and i, it's not good news for the economy. bill: the biggest implications you feel is the reputation of the u.s. government and how that translates into the government. you hear about meat inspection and security and airlines, what about that? >> when you bring the down to the ground floor. if the government was shut down for any lengths of time as you

said meat inspections would not happen. at least under the present circumstances. they wouldn't happen. that moons you can't get meat to the market. that means meat doesn't appear in your supermarket shelves. that hits everybody. that's an immediate and obvious symptom of a government shutdown. it would not be popular. martha: no meat is not a popular idea in america. bill: what do you think at home in is our government heading for a shutdown or not? we are coming to that point we have been talking about for two weeks now, it's almost here. tweet us during our program. chris wallace was talking about kevin mccarthy coming on our show. he he he don't know what they are going to say.

martha: republicans don't want any shutdown when it comes to election time. so we'll see. bill: there will be more twists and turns. this news is just breaking. two former gitmo detainees on the loose and nowhere to be found. they were transferred to el salvador two years ago. two former prisoners slipped out of that country. one and maybe both could be in turkey. but to confirmation on that. how did this happen? we know a lot of these gitmo detainees they return to the battlefield somewhere, whether it's somalia, afghanistan, pakistan or yemen which we have seen in the past. we'll are this down for you. martha: there has brand-new a big care high in the air. a pilot had a heart attack

mid-plate of a really carry situation. we know what happened with that. that's coming up. bill: this is an alert for the woman known as the white widow. who is she and did she die in the kenyan terror attack? martha: a new glitch as the official start of healthcare changes is days away. >> what the president said is white. there will be glitches in the rollouts. ♪ ho ho ho [ female announcer ] at 100 calories, not all food choices add up. some are giant. some not so giant. when managing your weight, bigger is always better. ♪ ho ho ho ♪ green giant

martha: we are getting our first look inside the westgate mall in nairobi, kenya showing the level of destruction. you heard the destruction coming african side that mall. now we see results. a scene of utter devastation. authorities opened the main road that lead to the mall hoping to

somehow get life back to normal in the capital city. bill: the president's healthcare law is hitting another roadblock. this while the "new york times" poll disapprove of the way the president has handled his own law. is it just a question of time before it smooths out? >> i think there are times of the basic unworkability of this law. the bumps in the road have been huge and the biggest is in the delay of the employer mandate. they had nothing to do with the failure of the employer mandate and the need to delay it a year. that poll finding is amazing.

healthcare has been a core democratic strength for decade. and here you have mr. obama under water on that in a big way. bill: what does that tell you? >> it tells me people don't like this law, and they never have. it's a major change in a unprecedented way was passed on a districtly partisan vote and democrats -- on a strictly partisan vote and democrats are still trying to make the case for it. bill: what could you believe, juan? >> i don't think they are that poor. there has been a constant onslaught from the right that somehow this is socialism and there will be death panels and you wouldn't have your doctor. i think the federal reserve bank of minnesota did a survey of businesses and 90 per of businesses say it makes no byrnes to them.

90% of -- it makes no difference to them. 90% of americans get their understand through their employers. this delay is only in terms of computer reporting. you can do it in person for small businesses. bill: may i suggest why that number is 54 per disapproved. medicare cuts have been delayed. employer mandates delayed. out of pocket caps delayed, now you have the small cap business delay. congress has gotten subsidies. i think that's why the number are where they are. i don't think people have faith in this law. and they are about to learn about it very soon. >> it's not just the delay. it's the fact of the thing. this was sold on false premises. the president of the united states went out there over and over again and said if you like

your healthcare you can keep it. he never suggested a lot of people would be their employer cover the way it's happening and he all oh suggested price would go down for everyone. he never said price would go way up for some people. as people understand this thing was sold in a way that was kind of a bill of good, the number aren't going to budge and they may continue to go down. bill: may i play a clip from yesterday. i want you to take this on face value. roll it right here. >> you don't have to take my word for it. if you talk to somebody who said i was watching fox news and they said it's horrible, and you can say, you know what? don't take my word for it. go on the web site, see for yourself what the price are, see for yourself what the choice are

then make up your own mind. bill: watching fox news they say is horrible. what have we reported that is not accurate. i just ticked off a number of delay and that didn't come from us. it came from the administration. >> he didn't say the was wrong. it's whether you exaggerate it and make it that entirety of it. there is no mention the cost of healthcare spending in the country has done down the last three years. there is no mention of the fact if you ask americans do you think it's a good idea -- bill: what has been reported, rich, through the fox news channel that is not accurate? >> nothing. this is classic president obama want to go blame his critics for everything going wrong in his administration with his law.

juan williams says healthcare costs are going done, you look at what the experts say, they say health costs have been declining because a function of the economy. it has nothing no do where the law. bill: good or bad the guy in charge gets blamed. you don't get credit, rich. >> why don't you give him credit for the fact according to the experts the cost of buying insurance is less than they thought it would be under obama-care. >> that's totally a false comparison. the obama administration puts out a study say something premium will be lower than projected but they don't get into the fact that actually they will be higher for a lot of people which is what they pay now. bill: gentlemen, thanks to both

of you. i think you guy are ready for your day right now. enjoy friday. martha: we are going to tell you about these two different scares that happened in the air. a pilot suffered a heart attack in the middle of a flight. two other pilots fell asleep at the wheel. bill: a man walks off a platform to certain doom but thanks to the work of total strangers everything will be okay. >> to know that there are people that actually care about others is pretty heroic.

martha: high in the sky and a flight from seattle to houston made an emergency landing in idaho when the pilot had a heart attack. >> reporter: right here we have the path of a flight to tell you about. that pilot that suffered the heart attack on united flight 1603 from houston to seattle making an knowledge landing in boy see. that pilot has died. it diverted at 10:00 p.m. eastern. the passengers on the boeing 737 had to wait several hours until another pilot could be flown in from san francisco to complete the trip. we reached out to united airlines. there he said i'm sad to confirm our coworker passed away. i'm unable to give out his name

name due to family privacy concerns. martha: what about the reports of two pilots falling asleep in the cockpit. we have done these stories before. this one fortunately landed safely. it happened last month. we are just learn big it now. two pilots taking turns napping as they sometimes do on a british airlines. both fell asleep at the the same time and the flight fortunately was on auto pilot at the time. the british civil aviation agency releasing information. the authority does have a confidential reporting procedure for mishaps. someone obviously reported it, and the pilot's union is insisting the incident isn't a surprise to them because of the current pilot working conditions and resulting fatigue.

apparently they complain about that. martha: we like to have one pilot awake at all times. bill require's going to be a very * long day in washington. a bill that would fund the government and obama-care. martha: how about this story. it's like something out of a movie. a mother, a wife and now a suspected terrorist. who is the white widow? >> she is a very sweet mother of a number of children.

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bill: the senate starting what will be a day of highlights and a day of tension. the showdown over funding for obama-care. the possible government shutdown if no deal is reached in four days. we'll speak with kelly ayotte in a few moments. do not miss that. martha: the day has begun in washington. interpol is issuing an arrest warrant for samantha lewthwaite, the woman known as the white widow. her husband was one of the homicide bombers in the london attack in 2005 that took the lives of 52 people.

the global police agency wants her on terrorism charges from two years ago. she may also be linked to the massacre at the kenya mall that took the lives of 0 people. of -- the lives of 60 people. those who know her are pried a o know her are surprised at these allegations. >> we hung around and went to the same schools and i got along well with the family she lived with. she is a sweet mother of a number of children. a family person. i knew of her when she was growing up. and she was family oriented. i can't see either of them anywhere near the mosque. even at the time the bombing happened, they knew these guys were not mosque-goers.

martha: the defense editor for the british newspaper "the telegraph times." what do we know about what she did in 2005 and the bombing attack that her husband was involved in? >> the first thing she did was she duped the british authorities. after the july 7 bombings in london when her husband was one of the suicide bombers that attacked the london transport system, the british authorities detained her and interviewed her. but she convinced them she had nothing to do with the bombings, she knew nothing about what her husband had pen up to. but clearly she had beened a rallized. soon afterd she had been radicalized. she went abroad to somalia and after the terrible events in

kenya of the weekend there are now suspicions that she was somehow involved in the kenya bombing which is why interpol made her the world's most wanted woman. martha: the word is they asked her family for dna. that would lead one to believe they have a body and they need to figure out if it's her. >> during last week's terrorist attack in kenya some eyewitnesses claim they saw a white woman directing operations, directing the terrorists, telling them what to do. as a result of that authorities in kenya being held i the fbi and scotland yard from london, they sent teams of forensic specialists. they are examining the remains of the terrorists who died in the complex. by taking the dna samples from

family members here in britain, they are looking to see if samantha lewthwaite was actually involved in the kenyan attacks as some of the eyewitnesses claimed. martha: they are being careful about the way they talk about this. they asked for her arrest under interpol are regard to a planning of an attack in kenya on some resort sites some years back, not in connection with the kenya mall bombing. >> that is correct. she is known to have joined up with tearer groups in somalia. somalia is awash with terrorist groups not just al-shabab. there are terrorists and criminal gangs up to all kind of mischief. she is known to have joined up with islamist terror groups. they have been involved in many thanks related to terrorist

reports in mombasa. and that's what prompted the kenyan military to take military action in somalia which led to this terror attack last weekend. there is a lot of evidence she d she has had explosives training. what we don't know for certain is whether she was directly involved in the kenya attack. but given her track record that's a distinct possibility. and the first thing the authorities want to establish is whether she died in the attack in kenya last weekend. >> it will be very interesting because they have these bodies. when they can get that dna they should be able to make some kind of conclusion about that. you also write that you think maybe some of these al-shabab terrorists may have dressed as women in order to get everybody

in blowing their cover. >> this was a very sophisticated operation. the details are now coming out. we know the group responsible rented a house on the outskirts of this shopping mall. they rented a shop inside the shopping mall where they stored their guns and clothing. clearly the authorities in kenya think some of the terrorists have managed to escape. that would make sense. if some of them dressed as women basically to get through the security, if a group of 15 somali walked in they would draw attention to themselves. if it's couples walking in they draw less attention to themselves to the security authorities. so it's quite plausible as we know in the past from other terror attacks in the region and also saudi arabia, terrorists have no trouble dressing up as women and putting on burkas and

people don't disturb them. martha: they rented a house nearby they had a shop inside where they were storing their guns and outfits and equipment. it's incredible. great insight. great to talk to you today. bill: we mentioned this yesterday. the leaders of this group are threatening more attacks. martha: they are very well organized and to be quite the global brand these days. al shah pan. we'll see. bill: 22 minutes before the hour. a threat of a government shutdown looming. senators starting their debate at this hour. we'll talk to kelly ayotte about the republican strategy. that's next. martha: a 3-year-old is being called a hero after he left his action to help his mom through a medical emergency. here's the little guy. ♪

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martha: a 3-year-old boy is getting the star fleement his hometowdgetting star treatment e helped his mom through a seizure in his town in arizona. >> my mom not doing better. martha: the 3-year-old called 911. he tried to explain what was happening. help soon arrived and now his proud mom is doing just fine. >> i don't know what happened. the next thing i knew is when i came through. he's very, very patient to describe what he's trying to say to you or find another way to say it to you. he doesn't get frustrated. martha: he was recognized as a

quick-thinking good samaritan and he got a tour of the local fire station. good job by the 911 operator. instead of just thinking it was a kid playing with a phone, they stuck with him and do got it out of him. bill: his mom says he's patient and willing to use his word and take his time so people understand him. there are probably a few people in washington who could learn that lesson. here we go, martha. on the floor of the senate, 9:42, but it's high noon for lawmakers set to vote on a measure to fund the government. what happened to the house proposal to remove all that money for obama-care? really ayotte, god morning to you. >> good morning, bill. what about this idea about defunding obama-care?

is that dead? >> i would say so. as republicans we all support defunding obama-care. but the issue today is do we shut down the government to do so? i think that gives more leverage to the democrats because then it becomes about shutting down the government instead of the real issue which is a law the american people are overwhelmingly against. you ask the question, what happens in the house? that's what i asked from the beginning. how does this end? it's not clear right now but i know one thing, we certainly don't want to shut down the government. we want to make sure we continue to fight this fight against obama-care. bill: let's break that down one at a time? who in the republican party favors a shutdown? >> what some have been asking us to do is to say no to the motion that we are going to vote on first this morning that takes 60 votes.

if we say no to that, then essentially on cloture to end debate the bill is done and right there unless something else happens the government could shut down. bill: harry reid and the president say the republicans want to shut the government down. do you? >> i do not. but in order to make sure it doesn't happen, then the bill the house sent over. we have to go to that bill, take it up, make a decision on it and go from there. if we don't take it up and we fail to do that today, then we are in that place where i don't think we should be of shutting down the government. bill: the other question you raised about the house. what does happen then? give us in plain english what we can expect and what our viewers can expect. >> the bill gets sent back over from the senate. senate democrats take out the

defunding of obama-care. it doze back to the hous -- it s back to the house and the house has to act. how does it end? do they send us a delay in obama-care? a delay in the mandate? how is it right to treat businesses different from individuals? bill: you are saying it is possible -- i apologize for the interruption -- that the individual mandate could be delayed for a year if you pull four or five democrats to your side? >> i think it's still a possibility. but the democrats said no. they won't let that happen. i don't know how they justify that position given the president delayed the mandate for businesses. bill: a lot of republicans

suggested that there are a lot of vulnerable recommend krats up for reelection in red red states next november. -- are there four or five others who could cross over? >> they could, but the votes aren't there right now. they have not announced they would do so. we don't know if it come over with an individual delay. and what the senate democrats would do on that. at that point we are still in what happens with the funding of the government. at the end of the day, what i don't want is president obama to get a pass on this. if it becomes about shutting down the government, we have seen this law falling of its own weight. in my state of new hampshire there will only be one insurer in that exchange and 9 of 10 hospitals will not be in the

exchange and i have heard from my constituents that they are not happy with this law and the premiums are going up. bill: there is a poll that came out from bloomberg, how should the debt ceiling be viewed by congress? 61 per in that poll believe to require pore spending cuts is the right way to go. you said in the "wall street journal," we are losing the forest for the trees. there is still $17 trillion in debt. why aren't we addressing these issues? >> i'm worried we are losing the forest for the trees with the $17 trillion in debt. the president has an untenable position where he he we can't negotiate over the debt ceiling. there have been 27 times where some piece of legislation has been put on the debt ceiling. other ways we tried to deal with the debt and get our fiscal

house in order. the american people don't want us to extend our credit without dealing with the underlying problem which is the $17 trillion in debt. that impacts everything else and then what are we doing to tour children and grandchildren and never -- what are we doing to our children and grandchildren? bill: kelly ayotte, the republican from new hampshire. martha: this is a video you have to see and a story you have to hear. a drunk man stumbled on to the subway tracks after just taking his medical exams to become a doctor. up next, look at what happened.

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martha: it turns out that heroes come in all shapes and size as one very lucky man can tell you. look at that video. a boston man had a few too many. he fell, plunged himself on to the subway tracks. people hopping over the rail and getting inthere to help him. what would any of us do if called none that moment? dr. keith ablow is a forensic psychiatrist. people were racing to jump down there to help that man. where does that come from?

>> you won't find it under a microscope. there is no way you can do an mri and find human empathy and heroism. people are good when they are left to some of their own devices, they do extraordinary things. they will risk their own lives for another person. and that quality, that remarkable miraculous quality, while we can't explain it under a microscope we can teach it to other people partly by lookingi. >> it makes it a good idea to remind everybody at home, some of these other heroes who have done similar things. a man a few weeks ago outside of this building saved a woman by putting a tourniquet over her leg when she was run into by a cab. wesley autry jumped down into the tracks when a boy had a

seizure and he laid his body on top of that young man as the train went over the two of them. and it is good to make an example of these heroes and tell their stories. is it not? >> it is. these are the stories that occur spontaneously on street corners and fires, where firefighters risk their lives. but it's also the story of our veterans and police officers and so many parents that would do this for their kids and neighbors. >> we talk about what happened in kenya. the extraordinary stories of people going up into the

buildings. you say it can be taught. >> it can. martha: how? >> it can be taught by example and by people -- we should have this in the schools where kid watch stories of moments when they were afraid but nonetheless acted. other moments how they were paralyzed i fear but things ended differently. the culture of dependency being created by this administration is the enemy of these moments of autonomy and heroism. because you have got to be a person. you have to have a self. you have to feel confident about you and your capacity to change the world for yourself and for others in order to hop down past that third rail and rescue someone. other eye if you can't have intention -- otherwise if you can't have intention and office

believe in your own power, you can't do those things. instead we create a culture of dependency. martha: you are suggesting if we rely on government and rely on programs all the time, we are part of a mass and you lose that independent spirit and confidence and self-esteem? >> that is the risk. that's a risk in towns, it's the risk in families, it's the risk on the world stage as to the american character and the character of americans. we have to choose whether we want people to be autonomous and emulate these people who rescues someone or we want people to look to the government saying the government can be heroic but i can't. martha: there are so many cases of people walking by people who are suffering. we like to point out these great heroes. dr. keith, than thank you so mu.

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martha: all right, folks, buckle your seat belts, four days to go until a possible government shutdown. we're now in the middle of what feels like a russian roulette going on on capitol hill right now. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." bill: it is on on the floor of the senate. we're waiting for reaction from the white house, but democratic senator tom harkin unleashing on republicans only minutes ago. watch here. >> there seems to be a sense, mr. president, among some members across the aisle here and certainly among a bloc of republicans in the house that shutting down the federal government is no big deal.

well, i suppose if you are of an anarchist mind, which i think some of them may be, then you don't want government. you want to create chaos. you want to create confusion. bill: there's more on that in a moment here, but this is the deadline now, october 1 now. that's senator tom -- john cornyn, rather, out of texas on the floor now. but our chief washington correspondent, james rosen, on the north lawn of the white house with us. james, stunning comments from harkin. i assume that's the way the debate's going to go today. take us through the steps, what should we expect here? >> reporter: right. we're going to face, bill, a key vote on the senate floor in just about two hours' time. democrats, of course, control the senate. and if they prevail, as most expect they will, in that vote language to defund obamacare will, essentially, be stripped out of this emergency government funding bill. senate majority leader harry reid wants to shut down debate

on that, that is formally known in capitol hill parlance as a cloture vote. tea party favorites like senators mike lee of utah and ted cruz of texas have drawn fire also for more centrist or establish mentarian figures, if you will, in the republican party. people like senator bob corker of tennessee. >> my two colleagues, who i respect, have sent out e-mails around the world and turned this into a show possibly and, therefore, they want people around the world to watch maybe them and others on the senate floor, and that is taking priority over getting legislation back to the house -- >> the question i would pose to my friend from tennessee, why is majority leader harry reid going to vote the same way you're proposing to vote? why is every democrat in this chamber going to vote the way you're proposing to vote? >> reporter: house speaker john boehner, republican of ohio, has vowed that no matter how many measure emerges from

the senate, the house won't simply pass another government funding bill that does nothing to impede obamacare. bill: how is the president reacting, trying to take advantage of this dispute which is playing out publicly which can be rare among republicans? >> reporter: we saw this in the president's use of the bully pulpit of the presidency yesterday. in a nearly hour-long campaign-style speech to prince georges community college in suburban maryland, the president ridiculed republicans who are still fighting obamacare and praised those who are working to implement it. >> some of them have actually tried to harm the law before it takes effect. but a lot of republican governors are putting politics aside and doing the right thing. you've got -- [cheers and applause] and they deserve congratulations for that. it wasn't easy for them. >> reporter: bottom line, we could see legislative action spill over into this weekend. all of it with the very real possibility remaining of a forced government shutdown as early as tuesday. bill: action over the weekend

for sure. thank you, james rosen, leading our coverage at the white house. martha: so if nobody budges by monday night, how could it end? steve hayes joins me now, senior we are for the weekly -- writer for the weekly standard. very tough language being thrown around, tom harkin saying that the gop are anarchists, essentially, had nancy pelosi the other day calling them legislative arsonists and dan pfeiffer basically said the gop members have bombs strapped to their chests, and we're simply not going to negotiate with folks like that. where's this going, steve? >> well, can i just make a side point here? can you imagine if a republican spokesman for the president of the united states had compared democrats to suicide bombers? what the outrage would be? martha: you're right. >> not only among democrats, but among the mainstream media? dan pfeiffer's comments are being met with a collective shrug of the shoulders. martha: like it's no big deal. >> i find it absolutely

extraordinary. martha: you're very right about that that. and it feels like there's almost nothing that can't be said in some venues that will be confronted with a are you kidding me? and when i look back, steve, over all of these battles, it appears the gop has been -- again, when it comes to this issue of not, you know, funding the government rather, and they often push it to the next thing, in this case the debt ceiling. now they're saying, well, when that comes around, we're going to really get what we want. >> right. martha: it doesn't seem like they've not let the democrats get what they want. >> i actually hi the debt ceiling is a better fight for the republicans to use, better than the continuing resolution. the continuing resolution is a short-term thing. a government shutdown, i think virtually everybody agrees will probably go down to the benefit of democrats whereas the debt ceiling i think precisely because the stakes are so much higher is a much more difficult place for the president to stake his claim. remember, his position is i am not negotiating on this at all

for any reason with any conditions period. talk about uncompromising. and, you know, remember, he's the president of the united states. if the united states were to somehow go into default, which i don't expect to happen, the president of the united states is going to be the one who, i think, suffers for that. he's the one who is refusing to even tinker with his law in a way that would be done in coordination with congress as opposed to him doing it unilaterally with authority he probably doesn't have. i'm not so sure that voters -- and we've seen this reflected in some polling -- wouldn't hold the president responsible in that scenario. martha: yes. we have seen it in polling, some 61%, i believe, say that they have no reason to not want to connect something to a debt negotiation. >> right, exactly. martha: they'd like to see some spending cuts. so what do you make of, you know, what john boehner rolled out in terms of the list of things that he wants including the keystone pipeline and changes to dodd-frank and everybody on the other networks is just scoffing at how

ridiculous the list is? what say you? >> well, i think he has to do it for a very practical reason. he needs to include all those things, particularly keystone and the regulatory reforms to get to the 218, to get to 218 votes. now, he may not get there even with what they call this christmas tree. i think as a rhetorical matter, it's not helpful. it's much better, i think, for republicans to focus on two things where they can make a strong, concerted, united public argument. one of them would be suspension of the individual mandate after the administration has already unilaterally suspended the employer mandate which would make a president who won re-election basically by complaining about preferential treatment that business gets, it would make that president defend that preference. martha: good point. >> and then the other one would be this exemption for congress. president obama's fond of saying that congress is terrible, washington doesn't do its job. well, make the president defend that exemption for washington, for congress which, again, he

did unilaterally with questionable authority. martha: don't do their jobs, but yet he's willing to make sure they get their subsidy to pay for their health care. it's a great point, steve, thank you so much. bill: on that point, too, we're going to talk to a member of the house that's proposing this amendment you're going to hear a lot about over the coming days. what will and what could obamacare cost you? the federal government releasing new numbers this week on the price of premiums. former congressional budget office director doug holtz-eakin says it's more complicated than the administration lets on. watch here. >> this report is intended to send the message, hey, everybody wins. this is a great thing. please show up. that's not the reality. the reality's much messier. there are going to be some people who do better. there are going to be a lot of people who do much, much worse. bill: all right, so some examples now. and bear in mind, this varies from state to state, and there's a computer calculation that goes into all this, but this is what we think's going to happen, all right? if you're in the mid-range plan,

single, 27 years of age you make about $25,000, you would pay $145 per month after tax credits. a similar plan family of four earning $50,000 a year would cost $282 per month after tax credits. martha: and the administration's saying that it's less than we thought it was going to be but not that it's less than you pay now, which is an important distinction there. so what do you think? will the government avoid a shutdown? how's this going to go over the next four days? send us a tweet @marthamaccallum, we're looking at it all the time. bill: you're watching two thicks, we're trying to figure out what happens on october 1st and thereafter for obamacare -- martha: right. bill: in the meantime, we're watching this government shutdown possibility or not. martha: it's all about the meat. meat inspection. bill: what's your good money on? martha: i think they're going to come to a resolution, and the government will not shut down. bill: 11th hour deal. you heard it.

i don't disagree. but who knows? awaiting a news conference with the president of iran who is in new york city attending the u.n. general assembly. this comes just one day after the highest-level meeting in decades between the united states with john kerry and the government in tehran. senior correspondent eric shawn outside the u.n. live with us now. what is happening today, eric? >> reporter: yeah, good morning, bill. within the hour president rouhani will have that news conference, and while we wait for that, the spirit here this morning being called constructive, but the iranians are cautioning against any quick breakthrough. yesterday afternoon john kerry met with his iranian counterpart, the iranian foreign spinster, and we're -- minister, and we're told that for about 20 minutes he laid out the iranian position in what's called a thoughtful presentation, he hopes there will be a nuclear deal within the year. we will know if iran is sincere if they meet certain benchmarks. meanwhile, the president continues to speak out before he

heads back to tehran today. he sent the same message last night at the council of foreign relations claiming iran does not want a nuclear bam. >> translator: we do not wish to ignore the interests of any other country. we do not seek to go to war with any country, we conot seek to produce any weapons of mass destruction including nuclear weapons and, therefore, it is crucial to us to remove those concerns. >> reporter: and the president's news conference is by invitation only. fox news has not been invited despite our repeated requests to be included. maybe we lost the invitation in the mail. bill: we need to change that, right, eric? some say the iranians are putting a so-called charm offensive together. what on that? >> reporter: yeah, well, they really have -- the point man has been the foreign minister. for ten years he was the united nations ambassador here at the u.n. of iran, so he is very well known. he is formidable, he speaks flawless english, he is

american-educated, so certainly, he's been et pressing the case of tehran with conviction, and he is very well known here. the issue is, though, will the words then be matched by concrete actions? bill: eric shawn from the u.n. throughout the week with us. martha: we've learned today that two former gitmo detainees are now on the loose, they're nowhere to be found. how does that happen? a live report on just where the authorities believe they may be hiding. bill: also, this is a multimillion dollar estate that went up in flames, and watch that thing burn. now there's an effort to keep the fire from spreading. martha: and the white house dismissing claims that obamacare hurts jobs. so then why are so many americans being forced into part-time work? our panel takes that on, coming up. >> so i guess i'd ask the president if he's saying everyone criticizing obamacare is irrational, if he means to be saying that about the president of -- [inaudible] too big. too small.

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bill: watch this fire in beverly hills. this fire engulfing a multimillion dollar mansion last night. from the air it looked just awful. by the time firefighters arrived, it was too late, but they did manage to fight the flames and make sure they did not spread to the neighbors' house. faulty water heater, they say, no reports of injuries, but look at that. martha: so you know the white house is on defense over claims that obamacare is hurting jobs. this despite widespread reports that businesses are cutting back on workers' hours to avoid the extra costs that are tied to the law. press secretary jay carney dismissed any of that evidence of economic harm. >> on the issue of shifting to part-time employees, there's simply no evidence. what is true across the board is that the increase in employment that we have seen since the implementation -- since the passage of the affordable care act has been overwhelmingly, more than 90%, in full-time

jobs. martha: republican senator ted cruz on hannity last night explaining how the leader of one of the biggest labor unions is actually quite concerned. >> james hoffa wrote a letter to harry reid and nancy pelosi that said he was opposing obamacare because he was speaking on behalf -- and these are hoffa's words -- of millions of americans, working americans and the families that depend on them because obamacare was destroying their health care. martha: all right. joined now by brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush, and tom baer, a democratic strategist. gentlemen, welcome. good to have you both here. tom, let's start with you. so how can jay carney say that, you know, when we do have evidence, a recent report showed 300 companies have actually cut back because of obamacare? >> look, martha, obamacare's the law of the land. it was passed by the congress, it was signed by the president, it was approved by the supreme court. and it's not really going anywhere. the real beef that labor has

with obamacare relates to their insurance plans which are negotiated with employers. those insurance plans do not get the subsidies that will be available to americans who sign up under the affordable health care act. so as a result of that, they are an entricep. ed organization -- entrenched organization, they were originally opposed. but what you've got to recognize is they are not supporting this outlandish proposal to defund obamacare. martha: no. it sounds like what they want the is to get some of the money members of congress get and what other people get. brad -- hold on one second, tom, let's let brad weigh in. >> mr. president, we got you reelected, we spercht over $100 million to jam obamacare down the throats of the american people. now we've realize the bill, we find out that it's not good for our members, so they marched could

down over the weekend, and they meet with the president, shake him down seeking an exemption so they can carve out the fact that unions don't have to abide by the law, congress doesn't have to abide by the law, but we have to abide by the law. it's not fair, it's not right, and the american people, tom, are not stuck with this law. you're wrong. and the fact that the supreme court said it's the law doesn't mean the law can't be changed. it's fundamentally unfair for you, for me, the unions and the vast member of the business community. martha: i just want to pull up what james hoffa said. this is a quote from the letter he wrote: right now unless you and the obama administration enact an equitable fix, the aca will starter our hard-earned benefits and destroy the foundation of the 40-hour workweek that is the backbone of the american middle class. and, tom, we have seen a lot of evidence that companies are hiring more part-time workers or pushing people down to part time which may be the discrepancy that jay carney referred to there. >> well, there's no question

that any new program is going of to experience some adjustment. but one of the things i think, martha, we have to look at is the enormous hypocrisy involved in this so-called support of labor by people like ted cruz. they love any kind of labor-left dispute, but the hypocrisy relates to the fact that people like ted cruz strongly oppose any subsidies to labor, particularly for their health plans. so that this is not really an honest statement on his behalf. moreover, at the end of the day who do you think labor is going to support in elections, the democrats or the republicans? the answer is they're going to support the democrats. i think that this matter should be taken up and should be adjusted. republicans will oppose any waivers of any kind for the health plans that are involved with labor. martha: all right. >> but we should do manager about it to make -- do something

about it to make sure that -- martha: it seems like a lot of groups are getting breaks, and the unions want to make sure hay get -- they get theirs too. tom baer, thank you very much. brad blakeman, always a pleasure. >> thank you. bill: so are you getting a subsidy under obamacare? so why are members of congress getting it? you all right with that? the republican trying to change that is live here, and we're going to talk to him in a moment. also, replacing humans with robots in the classroom? it's already happening in some places. hey, teacher. [laughter] is this the right solution for your kid? ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] campbell's homestyle.

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martha: so technology taking classroomso a new level. a robotic teacher that can walk, talk and even dance a little bit. >> i can recognize your face, answer your questions -- martha: wow. the latest addition to a school in new jersey is what you're looking at there. standing two feet tall, it can be programmed using simple commands. ♪ ♪ martha: you go, girl. all right. officials say it can teach math to computer science. so far there are about 3,000 robot models around the country, and just yesterday we were talking about how 47% of jobs out there can possibly be taken over by a robot, and it looks like mrs. crabtree might be in trouble. bill: do you think she can see me when i look at your paper during the test? [laughter] martha: i think she probably can, maybe better than

mrs. crabtree. bill: this could change medicine for all of us. doctors begin what could be groundbreaking trials to help save and repair the human heart. with this exclusive report, john roberts is live in atlanta. john, good morning. >> reporter: bill, good morning to you. this is a remarkable procedure, remarkable new procedure that aims not just to save what's left of a heart after a heart attack, but actually grow new heart muscle. dr. eduardo -- [inaudible] of cedars-sinai in los angeles conducted a small trial two years ago using stem cells derived from a small sample of the patient's own heart. he injected them via a catheter into the damaged area. it replaces heart tissue with functioning heart muscle in some cases reducing the scarring by more than 50%. he is now -- and this is the important part -- now doing a much bigger trial using donor hearts to grow entire lines of stem cells that will be readily available off the shelf, one day he hopes to be able to treat

thousands of patients. >> it's the holy grail of modern medicine. how do you restore a tissue that's died and traditional teaching telling us is gone forever? this is what we're trying to do, to literally heal the heart in a situation where we've been taught that's impossible. >> reporter: this trial is going on at 20 medical centers across the country. if it's as successful as previous research, he hopes to get into hundreds of hospitals. bill: you know when patients hear about this news, they really grab on to hope here. what do you hear from patients? what do they think? >> reporter: patients involved are very, very excited. we talked to kevin hillman who had a stem cell transplant on tuesday. he had a heart attack about six weeks ago, left him with scar tissue over about 20% of the heart's main pumping chamber. he has high hopes for this therapy. >> my father had a heart attack at 54, my eldest brother had a heart attack, he had a quad

bypass at 46. and so for me, i was headed down that same road. but for me now the road has changed. i'm on a different path now. >> reporter: the big goal of his therapy is to prevent the progression of many patients to heart failure, and here's something interesting, bill, even though the semicells come -- stem cells come there a donor heart, so far there has been no problem with we jekylling those cells. pretty remarkable. bill: it sure is. thank you, john. john roberts exclusive report out of atlanta. martha: interesting stuff. okay. so an international manhunt is underway for two former gitmo detainees who are now on the loose. why these men who are so dangerous are out there and where authorities think they might be. bill: also you may not get a special deal to pay your premiums under obamacare, so why should congress? and why should members of the administration? there's one republican lawmaker asking that same question. he wants to change it. he is next with his proposal here live. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped sta over 1 million businesses.

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to the battlefield as we have seen so many times in the past. catherine herridge is live in washington, so what do we know about these people? >> reporter: well, thank you, martha, and good morning. the two guantanamo bay detainees are uighur detainees who were picked up in torah tora bora. these two detainees were transferred in april of 2012 to el salvador, and at least one of them was deemed of high risk to the u.s. by a guantanamo task force that reviewed each of the detainees under the bush administration. a leading analyst says his ties are significant. >> he's the one that was determined to be a high-risk detainee. he's the one it was determined he had high-level connections to senior al-qaeda operatives. he's the guy who was thought to be a weapons trainer, and he's the one who was determined to be, possibly, a threat to the u.s.' interests and allies. >> reporter: when the transfers are made from guantanamo, the terms are not public, but the detainees are

required to remain in that country. the embassy of el salvador had no formal comment yesterday, but we may get one today. martha: so what's the response from the defense department on this, catherine? >> reporter: significantly, they did not deny the detainees had left el salvador but would not confirm fox news reporting that at least one, perhaps both of the men are now in turkey. quote: >> reporter: this episode raises questions over the decision to close down the camps at guantanamo and transfer out the detainees if there can't be real assurances that the u.s. government knows where they will be in the future. martha: it certainly does. catherine, thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome. ♪ ♪ bill: did you know members of

congress, their top aides and members of the administration will live under obamacare, but they will be given subsidies to pay for it? but for millions of americans there is no subsidy, and my next guest wants to change that. dennis ross, member of the financial services committee, sir, good morning to you and welcome back to our ram here. >> thank you, bill, and good morning. bill: lay it out, what's your case? >> well, the law under obamacare says that members of congress and their staff will be subjected to the provisions of having to go into exchanges. however, if the law is totally silent on whether we receive a contribution through the federal government. through direction of this president and under the office of personnel management, a ruling was made without any basis in law that says we will continue to receive our 72% contribution for our health care. most americans aren't going to receive that. we need to be subjected to the entire law the same way all americans are which means we're only entitled to the sub --

subsidies up to 400% of the poverty level. if we are going to let this law take effect october 1st, every member of congress needs to experience the pain it is going to bring all americans. bill: i've got a lot of questions, i've got three minutes to get through them. the president, vice president, political appointees, members of congress and their staff, right? >> that's correct. bill: all their staff members or -- >> all. all staff members in congress whether you're part of a committee or a leadership team or members, members of the staff. bill: okay. now, i imagine you get the votes in the house. >> i hope. bill: what happens in the senate? >> the senate doesn't want this because they understand the impact it has on their wallets. but if we're going to sustain some economic harm to ourselves, we need to realize that this is what the rest of america's also feeling when obamacare takes effect. the best thing we can do other than show how bad this law is, is if the members of congress don't want to do this, then let's delay for at least a year. bill: okay. you said you hope you get the votes in the house.

is that not a done deal? >> not at this time. you know, i have a great deal of respect for my members, and, you know, all of us came here voluntarily. nobody conscripted us. we all chose to be members of congress, but i think we also have to make the right decision for the american public to see why we will subject ourselves to 100% under the law -- bill: so you're saying that your republican colleagues are going to take the subsidy? >> i'm saying that many of them don't want to not have that contribution. look, i want the contribution. but there's no basis in law or fact for me to have that. i can't come back to my constituency and say, it's okay, we made an exception for us -- bill: i mean, why would the law be one thing for you and not for the rest of us? >> i couldn't agree more, bill. it's not fair, and it shouldn't be which is why i believe we need to have this debate. bill: all right. mitch mcconnell supports you, so you've got that vote in the senate. what democrats argue is that, you know, if they're working for a private company or a public company, whatever, that they would be afforded the same, the

same benefit. now what do you think of that argument? >> bill, it's a great argument, and if you want to work for gm and they want to give you a contribution to your health care, that's great. but if you're a member of -- [inaudible] if congress votes it themselves, otherwise we should be under the laws that -- bill: here's the twist of logic that i don't get. i work for a public company, but they gave me the health insurance that the company has. i had no say in that. if i don't like it, i'll work somewhere else, right? >> right. bill: but you're a member of congress, and you have colleagues whether republican or democrat, they crafted this law. they voted on this law. they signed the legislation into law that mandates everyone live by it. now square the logic for that. >> well, i can't. because the law is silent as to whether we receive a contribution from the federal government. i will tell you this, in the original grassley amendment that was offered, it did allow for the continued contribution by the federal government to our share of the health care exchange, but that was taken out, and when it became law, it

was silent. so if congressional intent was to have it in there, why wasn't it in there? i just suggest we need to be under the same laws as the rest of -- bill: a lot of people probably agree with you because they, frankly, don't think it's fair. we'll see whether or not you get the votes in the house first. we're going to watch that carefully. thank you for your time today. >> yes, sir. martha: an interesting angle on all of this and one to watch. and also a it -- a little something people are watching, cory booker raising eyebrows. who has the new jersey senate candidate been talking to on twitter, and what is he now saying about it? bill: stunning new evidence, martha, of water on mars. martha: really? bill: we're going there this weekend. [laughter] could this mean life on the red planet? martha: is there swimming? bill: there could be. ♪ ♪ ♪ turn around

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martha: iran reportedly declaring victoy just one day after the highest level meeting in decades between the u.s. and tehran. a senior iranian military leader saying that his country has strong armed president obama into accepting its nuclear rights. here's the president speaking about that at the u.n. general assembly. >> we are not seeking regime change, and we respect the right of the iranian people to access peaceful nuclear energy. instead, we insist that the iranian government meet its responsibilities under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and u.n. security council

resolutions. martha: so how's that going? a mideast journalist and fox news contributor and peter brooks, former cia officer and senior fellow for national security affairs at the heritage foundation, welcome to both of you. i also just want to put out there that it was in the iranian newspaper quoting a high-level military official in iran saying the united states has, quote: reached this conclusion that they cannot challenge the powerful iran. lisa, what do you think about this? >> well, this is the same old tactic that we've seen come out of the iranian regime, and it's only a surprise to those who are actually holding their breath and hoping that this president and this new cabinet of his are actually moderate and are going to have a different agenda. their tone might be different, it might be toned down a bit, but it's the same agenda. and if you're following the iranian media before rue rouhani came to new york, it was the same chest thumping and the same we're going to show the

americans, and we're going to ask them what they can offer us. and that's exactly what they've done. they've posed themselves in a position now where they have the upper hand, and they're going to wait to see what concessions the u.s. can offer them. martha: yeah. you know, i mean, it reminds me of the you can get more with honey than salt, peter, and we've seen a difference in attitudes, certainly, between ahmadinejad and rouhani, but is the underlying mo of the iranians any different now? >> i don't think so. i mean, what you talked about, martha, there in the iranian press is just pure propaganda for internal consumption, and what we're seeing externally, you know, it's t same sort of thing -- it's the same sort of thing. their trying to work us here, they're trying to look conciliatory, trying to get sanctions lifted without offering anything in return. they haven't said they're going to stop uranium enrich. it's fine to test their diplomatic intentions and see if they're serious about stopping their nuclear program, but we also have to be sober about the

fact that they may be playing us for time as they move towards finishing up their nuclear weapons program. martha: i saw an interview that geraldo did this morning with one of the top iranian officials who was here for the u.n. meetings, and, you know, the take, lisa, was that if there is a door to discuss, is it possible that the iranian as do want to dismantle this because they are truly suffering under these sanctions? is that a possibility? >> right. you know, the sanctions are not crippling the economy to the extent that the regime is ready to, you know, just say that they're going to stop with their nuclear agenda. it's two different economies. you have the regime's economy, an economy that's still strong, and they have been able to find loopholes and to find ways around the sanctions, and then you have the main economy which is the people's economy. and what the regime has effectively done is to rally people around the flag and create in the anti-u.s. sentiment by saying to the people, look, it's the u.s.

that's sanctioning you and passing the burden of the sanctions onto the people meaning there's food shortages, there's pharmaceutical shortages. and the people are really suffering. so we have to be sensitive and realize that, yes, the people are suffering, but it's the regime that's really passing on this burden onto the people. and to answer the second part of your question, will this, the sanctions be enough, it seems as though they haven't been, and we're still seeing the same repetition. martha: peter, it seems to be an argument for turning the screws even tighter. >> absolutely. you could argue that the sanctions brought them to the table, but they can also be acting like, yeah, we're under a lot of pain and stress because of the sanctions and then start these negotiations that may last six months, a year. i mean, we've heard out of israel recently, martha, that a senior official said iran will have the bomb within a year. so think about it. we have to be very careful about what we do here in terms of iran and don't let us just play us for time as we've done in the

past. we've been negotiating with iran for ten years i now, since 2003 when we discovered their nuclear program. martha: the march goes on behind the scenes.r, lisa, many thanks. we'll see you next time. bill: ten more. martha: yep. bill: jon scott's coming up 12 short minutes away. jon: tick, tick, tick, tick, you hear that sound, hemmer? that is the sound as the government approaches running out of money. we're going to be talking about the progress of a bill that would keep our government funded. plus, a new strategy that may be emerging from republicans on delaying or defunding obamacare. also it's just three days until those health care exchanges open. we'll tell you where we stand on all of that. and watching the media on two big stories, president obama goes after fox in a speech on his health care overhaul and cnn versus iran in another battle over translations, or is it? it's all coming up, "happening now." boyle bill got it, okay. see you in a couple minutes.

nasa's curiosity, a groundbreaking discovery on mars, an age-old question about potential life on the red planet. we've got that for you coming up. martha: and one lucky gator hunter pull anything this mammoth-size monster. good grief, look at that thing. >> got out of work early, drove down to the lake and found him sitting right there next to the shore.

martha: if you missed this, we're going to show it to you. an emotional farewell for legendary relief pitcher mariano rivera last night. [cheers and applause]

martha: he cried and cried on andy pettitte's shoulder. it was a really sweet moment in sports, one that will go down in the history books. after getting the yankees out of an eighth inning jam, he might not even have cared except for him walking off of that mound for the final time, said to be the greatest reliever of all time, a good guy, a really good man. bill: we'll see him there. nasa's curiosity rover making a major discovery. this is our funky things segment today. good morning. >> i'm always happy to be funky. bill: we have two images here. the first is, actually, the mars rover. been up there for a year, right? one-year anniversary just about a week ago? >> right. just celebrated its first year

on mars. bill: advance it one time and tell me what in the world is this? >> that's where the robot was digging into the mars dirt. part of a what it was sent to do is take some samples, put it in a little oven inside, cook that stuff to 1500 degrees and see what comes out. bill: really? what did it find in that dust? >> all kinds of things, but one of the most interesting things is steam. turns out that dry mars dust is full of water. it's about 2% water. so if you just took one cubic foot of mars dust and cooked it, you get about two pints of water out of it. bill: so at some point, if we can get there, you could go without water to mars, use a similar technique and produce water on mars. >> that's part of the excitement. you go there with, basically, just a big magnifying glass, you know, a solar oven basically. you could cook out drinking water, you could, you know, create a little greenhouse and have food, and you can split the water with electricity and make

rocket fuel. bill: a big wow moment, right? >> big wow moment. bill: didn't we already think or believe -- >> i know, there's a lot of stories about water on mars. there's been a lot of evidence that water was on mars billions of years ago or water is on mars some places off of the poles. this tells you there's water on mars everywhere right now and, basically, the entire planet is wet which is a real surprise. it looks dry, everybody described it as a desert. turns out those resources are everywhere, and if there's life on mars, you know, that water is everywhere, you know, that means it's in all the different habitats of mars. bill: so then do we know if there is life on mars because of this discovery? >> if there were life on mar, i'd be doing a bigger story than this. if there's life on mars, it's probably buried, it's probably very hard to find. this is telling us not only are conditions on mars good for life now, but conditions might have been better for life than on earth at times.

life on earth might have started on mars. there are people who are actually making that argument. bill: well, now you're burying the lead. quickly, in 15 seconds, what is next for the rover or what should we expect to hear from folks like you? >> so all of this, you're looking at the results from the first hundred days on mars. the rover's going to be there for two years. it's climbing up a mountain, it's going to do geology, look at all these different environments. the surface of mars is as expansive of all the continents on earth. it's a lot to explore, and we're just starting to look. bill: this thing could go for two more years, it's extraordinary. phenomenal stuff. >> nuclear power source. it's going to keep going. bill: oh, boy. thank you, corey, talk to you soon. corey powell. martha: wow, that is so cool! i love that story. maybe we can head there if things don't work out on capitol hill. the senate will work on a bill funding obamacare, that whole situation is playing out. if the fate of that measure is far from certain and the tension rising on capitol hill. we'll be right back, folks.

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bill: cory buried the lead. from mars. martha: i thought you knew you had martian qualities. i thought it was an ohio thing but apparently you could be from mars. have a good weekend. bye everybody. jenna: right now breaking news on today's top stories and own brand new stories you only see here. jon: charged with hacking a soldier on a london street, they are in court today, along with the victim's widow. we'll bring you her reaction. plus, how safe is your web camp? miss teen usa computer camp hacked by a guy who used it to take photos of her in the nude. she threatened to post them on line if she didn't meet his demands. what other cameras he had under control. how a guy tumbled on to boston subway tracks and