@jeronfnc. hope to see you right here next week. fox news alert on the impending showdown in the nation's capital. the countdown is well on its way this hour to a government shutdown come midnight on monday. house republicans meeting for a rare weekend session, rejecting the senate bill that will keep the lights on for another 45 days and keep obama care intact. instead, they're preparing to vote on their own version today. delaying obama care by one year before throwing the issue back to the u.s. senate. all of this of course setting up a standoff with president obama himself who says he will not sign anything that takes away funding from his signature legislation. >> i would have said a week ago

that i don't think so, but it looks a little bit likely maybe for a short time. just because of senate rules. things are going to be slow. ping pong game should have happened faster, you know, so some of that might have been solved by our own side quite frankly over there. now we have to see what happens. i'm not sure what's going to happen. >> a life report on this latest, this very busy saturday, coming up, top of the hour. as lawmakers battle on capitol hill, president obama looking ahead to rollout of his signature health care legislation. glad you're with us. hello, everyone. >> good to see you. welcome to a brand-new hour inside america's news headquarters. enrollment in those newly created health insurance exchanges is set to start on tuesday. both the president and his critics are taking to the air waves. >> these marketplaces will be open for business on tuesday no matter what. the afford be a care act is one

of the most important things we've done as a country in decades to strengthen economic security for the middle class and all who strive to join the middle class. and it's going to work. >> let's bring in now elizabeth prann live in washington with more. >> 3 1/2 years after it became law, the policy that insures all americans launches in just a few day. house republicans say they're not giving up the fight to halt it. their demands range from defunding to delaying it. they argue americans don't want the policy. and according to a fox news poll released tuesday, 7 out of 10 voters are concerned about their personal health with the new law that 68% of voters including 43% who say that ey are, quote, ver concerned, 29% who say they're somewhat concerned. conservatives say they're fighting for those americans. >> one of the things we really tried to focus on this week is all the millions americans struggling to find job because

of obama care. who are facing the threat of being forcibly reduced to part tie work, to 2 hours a week, because of obama care. who are seeing skyrocketing health insurance premium because of obama care. >> the president says it will give uninsured americans the chance to buy affordable health coverage. there have been speed bumps, however. as well as the spanish language portion of the online process. president says those without health insurance can still buy it on tuesday. he also criticized those on the hill who are threatening his legislation. >> i will work with anyone who wants to have a serious conversation about our economic future. but i will not negotiate over congress' responsibility to pay the bills it has racked up. i don't know how to be more clear about this. no one gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the united states of america just to extract ideological concessions. >> the administration is hoping for at least 7 million people to sign up within the year. benefits will be provided as

early as january 1st. back to you. >> elizabeth prann, thank you. so with all the glitches, and there are many of them, setbacks for the president's health care law, what can we really expect come october 1st? martha zeller joins us with zpolitics.com and cox radio athens gainesville. also former congressional candidate for georgia's 9th district. doug shonn join us, former pollster for president bill clinton, former fox news contributor. the administration obahas had te years to set up exchanges. now with only three days left, they're a mess. small businesses for example cannot gain access. pricing software doesn't work. meaning 32 million americans in 36 states can't enroll online. is this a model of incompetence, which may be synonymous with government?

>> i wish i could tell you that you're wrong. you may be overstating it a bit. but probably not by much. i think there are technological issues. as you suggest. i think there are pricing issues across state lines. there's access to health care issues. and there's the simple question that we're adding all these people to the system and we don't really have additional doctors to handle it. so i think unfortunately, as even the president himself has acknowledged, we're going to have serious problems in the near term, if not the longer term. >> problems includes sticker shock. >> absolutely. >> the manhattan institute calculated what people are going to have to pay, young people getting hammered. rates for young men rising 99%. for younger women, a rise between 55 and 62%. it varies state by state. for example, in north carolina, a 305% increase for men overall. for women in nebraska, 237% increase. i mean, what martha will be the

reaction once americans get their new health care bills? >> well, i heard a number where they say a family making $50,000 is going to be paying about $800 more. they might get the subsidies in some cases. in other case, they're going to fall in between the cracks. doug made the mention about doctors. my husband's a primary case physician. they've got no direction at all about what to expect when these new plans come into play as far as payment, that kind of thing. if you were heading up a company and you had 35% of the plan already put off, and the rest of it having problems like you have to mail in your application, you can't apply on the day it's in there, you'd probably put it off for a year and that will be the smartest thing to do. look, i'm a defund obama care kind of person, but i'm also a pragmatist. it's not going to be defunned at this point in time but it should be put off for at least a year. >> there are every indications that young people especially are

likely to do the math, get out their calculator and say, wait, i'm going to pay the penalty, not these inflated premiums. since their dollar, the young people's dollar, that's the financial foundation for obama care. so is it possible the entire system could collapse? >> to your question, time will tell. i mean, the administration has got a feverish campaign going involving paid advertising and public relations to try to get young people to sign up. ultimately, it's economics. i think for most healthy young people, they're going to figure it's cheaper and perhaps even better health care to just go it alone without a policy, pay the penalty, then to enroll. >> the other thing, martha, is millions of americans have been getting these cancellation notices from their insurance companies because those companies can't meet the requirements of the new obama care law. and also employers are dropping coverage for their workers.

the nonpartisan cbo is estimating as many as 11 million americans are going to lose their employer-sponsored coverage. wasn't that just the opposite of what the president promised? >> well, just at u.p.s., they let 15,000 spouses know they're not going to get coverage. what didn't get covered on that story is that means dependents will not be covered either. and that's supposed to be one of the groups of people that are going to be helped through this. there's a lot of problems here. the uninsured are going to have as much difficulty signing up as they would have had beforehand. >> congress is considering now, this is one of the three proposals on the table, revoking the waver that congress gave itself. if obama care is so great, why do president obama and congress give themselveses an exemption? shouldn't members of congress be forced to abide by the same law they created? >> greg, to that, absolutely.

i think it is an outrage in this country that the congress is able to say, well, we're hard pressed because we have terrible cost issues in washington or maintaining two residences or whatever the justification is. it's just outrageous that they do that. and the vast majority of hard working americans are going to be impacted by this law are told tough luck. just doesn't make any sense. >> the other thing is jobs. employers all over the country are now cutting workers hours below 30 per week or simply laying off workers entirely to avoid the mandate of obama care. what does this do? isn't this job destruction? what does that do to an already weak economy? >> well, working class americans didn't get ahead just because they worked 40 hours. it was those overtime hours from 40 to 55 is where they got ahead. they're not going to be able to do that. you're not going to have that kind of loyalty to a company. you're not going to create a booming economy on part-time

jobs. it's happening in my company. it's happening in companies across the country because there is uncertainty. you're right, it's not going to help the job market. we've got to get out of this stagnant job growth. >> doug, once again, the nonpartisan cbo has an estimate. they say ten years from now, ten years from this coming tuesday, they're still going to be 33 million uninsured. so do you often wonder to yourself, what's the point? >> well, i do. the problem i see is that the gop having come very late in the game to the delay the individual mandate a year position i think would have been able to get democratic support forexactly what you're saying which is sit back and wait. bo bottom line, we're now in politics. there is one word, politics and political grandstanding. very sad. >> the exchanges are such a mess, you would think the president would welcome a delay. we'll wait and see. good to have you both, thank

you. nearly three months after a monster wildfire killed 19 elite firefighters, officials releasing full details on what may have gone wrong? plus, the president expressing deep concerns over a jailed american pastor during his conversation with iran's new president. we're going to talk to that pastor's wife next. >> the phone calls are cut off now. the kids won't even be able to hear their dad's voice. it seems very devastating that not until they're teenagers, they're toddlers right now, will theyer hear their dad's voice or see him. hey linda!

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welcome back. time for a quick check of the headlines. a major earthquake striking northwest pakistan again. more than a dozen deaths reported so far. the very same region where nearly 400 people were killed just days ago. hundreds people in kenya holding a vigil to remember victims of the terror attack on that mall. somali militant group al shabab stormed the mall last weekend, killing nearly 70, injuring more than 170 others. the torch for the winter olympics successfully carried out at the birthplace of the games in greece. the ceremony scheduled for tomorrow. the torch relay will cover more than 40,000 miles before the olympics begin in sochi, russia, in february.

president obama calling for the release of an american jailled in iran during an historic phone call with iran's new president. president obama expressed concern over inprisoned pastor abadini. he has been in jail in tehran for a year along with two other u.s. citizens. joining me now, his wife. thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. >> are you feeling more hopeful now following that historic phone call and perhaps believing more now that your husband might be released? >> i am. i'm very hopeful that we're close to him coming home. i'm very grateful for president obama to have made that phone call to the iranian president and asking for sayid and the two other americans. very grateful for the american people, as they've called and planned petitions. they've called their representatives. on thursday, over 85 cities met and prayed for sayid.

very thankful for all the support. not only the u.s. but across the world. all the senators and congressman who have really petitioned and of course fox news has covered this from the beginning. has been one of the main channels really covering this. i'm seeing fruit finally after a year. looking forward to him coming home soon. >> indeed. i know you mentioned thursday, that was the actual one-year anniversary and you're very happy with all the support, the people that showed up there in idaho, in boise, where you are, your hometown. when is the last time you communicated with your husband? >> early january was the last time the iranian government allowed any more phone calls. he called me a few times from september to january, probably three types for a few minutes at a time. after that, there's been -- it's been disconnected. the iranian government has not allowed for any more phone calls. >> when you were able to talk to your husband, sayid, what did he

say? i imagine you would figure that those calls were monitored closely. also, how would you say his physical health is and his mental health? he's a 33-year-old man. >> yes, you know, his family gets to visit him, his parents get to visit him every week, so i hear updates. until the last phone call, which was january, the phone call before it was in december, where he said, they're lying to me, they're not going to let me go. and i knew, that's when i knew i would go to media. until then, they were saying they would free him any day. he's doing better physically. he's had a lot of internal bleeding. it's been very emotional. my daughter just celebrated her seventh birthday without him. he was in tears knowing he was missing out on the kids growing up. >> i want to get to your kids in a moment. you mentioned how sayid's parents are able to visit him there in iran because that is where they live. that's where his family lives.

that's where he's from. they're able to have contact. of course, he's gone to visit his family on numerous occasions. what happened, just to refresh everybody's memory, that fateful day when he was going there on one his multiple trips to iran and he was arrested, taken out of the bus and they said, you're going to jail? >> he grew up in iran. i grew up in the u.s. we went there to start an orphanage. we started in 2009. it was coming along great. we were working with the iranian government on the orphanage. he traveled nine, ten times from 2009 to 2012 when he was arrested. they had not said he had broken any law. they'd gone back to 13 years earlier when he converted from being a muslim to becoming a christian. the church that had started, which was under a different government, and it was allowed at that time. he was working with the building chief, with a

government-approved church. >> so this came out of nowhere. lots of confusion. >> yes. >> before i go, i do want to get to your children. you have rebecca, who i believe is 7. you have jacob who is 5. how do you is 7, jacob, who i believe is 5. how do you explain to them that daddy hasn't been home for a year? >> you know, it's difficult as anyone can machlkt children don't understand as much as we do. my daughter looked at me on her birthday and she said, mommy, how many more birthdays. my heart just broke. i know it's eight years. i haven't told them that. i couldn't answer, but in my heart i knew i would do whatever it takes to bring him home before she had to celebrate another birthday without him. >> yeah. let's hope it's not eight years. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you have the support of your family, of course, and we hope your husband is freed sometime

soon. thank you for being strong. thank you for being here and keep us posted. >> thank you. i want to thank the people and i want to thank fox news and aclj for their coverage. >> you are welcome. it's 50 after the hour. we have a busy afternoon. fox news continues after this break. ♪ ♪ ♪

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well, there's a new report shedding light on the deadly wildfire in arizona that killed 19 we're now learning what we think may have went wrong. dominic? >> yes. they think the fire circled round on the granite mountain view and it cut off their escape

route and it forced them to take shelter in a box canyon. that's what was said at the news conference. it looked too late for firefighters, greg. the report says the fire took two 90-degree turns, doubled in intensity and then dramatically spread. the report was published about an hour ago. that may conclude why they didn't stay safe on a high ridge as people were questioned. fire chiefs lost contact for 30 whole minutes and got no info on what the crew was doing at the time. here's from the report. it says nobody will ever know how the crew actually saw their situation, which options they considered, what motivated their actions. the investigation team found no indication of negligence, reckless actions, nor violations of protocol. well, we've got a couple of photos from the report taken by the granite mountain crew just

moments before they got into trouble. the fire moved at extreme speeds, greg. 100 yards at 15 seconds and it was reaching 70 feet ahead of the burn line. so that gives you a visual picture of what it was like. the crews had less than two minutes to move and set up their shelter, setting up in heavy brushfire. it put their hot shirts in direct contact with the flames. the report says that was not survivable. back to you. >> thanks. they're hammering out a new deal or face a shutdown? we're line on chiapitol hill. much more continues after the break. stay right here on this fox news channel. due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. at first, i took warfarin, but i wondered, "could i up my game?"

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issa heatedly opposing it saying the democrats should honor the decision. >> it's very clear the senate is acting on behest of the president. harry reid is acting on that basis. so i don't think the president gets a pass like he would eagerly sign it if harry reid would just move it. i assume the press knows better too. >> when this fails, will you -- >> how dare you presume a failure. how dare you. how dare you presume a failure. the fact is this country is based on people saying they won't do things and at the end of the day coming together for compromise. we continue to anticipate that there's an opportunity for sensible compromise. >> well, a bit of a temper there by darrell issa. chief political correspondent carl has been on capitol hill. >> house republicans are hard at work.

the rules committee of the house will soon come forward with it's sort of game plan for a vote later on this afternoon or evening in which the house republicans for the second time -- actually it's like the 40th or 45th time to take some action to try to stop obamacare in some way or another. this time it will be the second time for a showdown which would delay obamacare for a year. in addition to that it would take away the tax on medical devices, but both sides are essentially taking the position they have been in a stalemate for the last several weeks. they'll start with hal rogers. they'll follow up that what republicans are going do this time will lead to a same result, a stalemate charging for a shutdown. watch. >> it has united us around a couple of very important principles. it gives us a chance tolay of t the democrats on the senate side have called it. so think that we're on the right

path. >> you have turned this house of representatives into a laughingstock, and the bottom line is what the american people want us to do right now is to keep the government moving ahead, keep it running, not shut it down, deal with the debt ceiling without holding that hostage to all the tea party sweeteners, and do our job. >> so the latest piece of legislation would keep the government open until mid-december. it would delay the affordable care act until the end of next year and it would do away with the current tax on medical devices, one that doctors and dentists and veterinarian as i like say is very, very expensive. it also would say in the event of a shutdown the house would pass a separate measure that would also fund military options and the defense department for a full year. so there's now a provision on the table in the house or one will soon be passed here in which they will count i nance

the possibility of a shutdown. joe manchin had signaling last week he would support the idea of delaying obamacare for a year. that's what the republicans have gotten their arms around. they have one democratic senator who says obamacare should be delayed for a year. >> carl cameron live on capitol hill. carl, thanks. >> greg. as the clock runs down, how will this all play out? let's brick in charlie hurt. he's with "the washington times." how are you. >> good to see you, arthel. >> how big of a defeat is this for the -- would it be for the president and talk about the benefits of delaying obamacare. >> i think that it would be certainly viewed as a defeat by the president, but i -- but i also think that given the fact that, you know, you've seen all the stories, arthel.

your viewers have seen all of the stories in the last several months about the real problems with implementing obamacare at every stage. there are all sorts of things that have been delayed such as, you know, the -- some of the mandates on big businesses have already been delayed for obamacare. and so delaying the individual mandate for a year probably -- i mean it seems like a fairly reasonable step, and while president obama would view that as a measure and has said he will not accept this, it probably would come across as being fairly popular among voters just because, you know, it's a very real thing when you get your hours cut so that your employer can get out of obamacare. it's a real thing when you lose your job. it's a real thing when employers, you know, are not able to hire -- the number of people that they would like to hire or would hire in order to avoid it.

>> excuse me, charlie. i do want you to answer this specifically, which is how does the president feel come wednesday morning when this -- you know, if, in fact, obamacare is delayed? >> well, he'll have to sign the bill so he could not sign it and then the delay wouldn't have happen. >> he says he wouldn't. what do you think is going to happen? >> then i think becomes a lot more -- this is where the republicans have gamed this out fairly shrewdly at this point. what it means is there will be an action or refusal to take action by the president that causes the shutdown as opposed to, you know, the democrats -- they're very effective usually at pointing at republicans, especially republicans in the house and blaming them if there's a government shutdown. so i think that -- i think that while, you know, your point is a good one, you know, it at least spreads the blame a little bit and it's kind of hard -- makes

it a lot harder for democrats to point the finger at republicans and say, see, the only reason we're shut down is because of the evil republicans in the house. >> well, we just talked about if, in fact, this would get to that, and the president already said i'm not going to sign off on that. however, let's back up a bit. let's talk about the defensive line, if you will. they have not gotten to the point where their quarterback is going to get sacked. so what will they do? >> the problem here, arthel, is you have a couple of provisions that are probably fairly popular for even -- in states even where you have democrats, you know, in the senate. so a provision like the tax on medical equipment, the idea that, you know, democrats are on record overwhelmingly proposing that. if harry reid allows that vote to hit the senate, which it sounds like you're suggesting that he wouldn't or shouldn't,

but if he put that vote on the floor, you'd better believe it's going to make for a tough -- >> he's on record criticizing the medical equipment tax. >> i think the republican leaders in the house have done a good job of turning this back on democrats in way that at least makes it so that they have to cast difficult votes. and you're right. you know, obviously the president holds the keys to whether this passes as does harry reid, but so does the house of representatives, which is controlled by republicans. >> so then before i let you go, how -- how will the senate respond? what do you think is going to happen? >> it's hard to say because harry reid is a -- he's kind of crazy like a fox, and he often does what you don't expect him to do, and he can be fairly, you know, stubborn about these things. so i could see him just, you

know, throwing, you know, his marbles down and say i expect to see anything but a clean c.r. that would be one thing or the other things is to take half of what the republicans in the house have offered. but even that will be viewed by a lot of democrats as a considerable defeat. >> okay. so we're just going to have to watch this thing play out and no one knows what's going to happen. >> if you're trying to get a prediction out of me, i'm dumb, but i'm not that dumb, and i learned long ago that you can't predict these characters. >> charlie hurt, i was going to say that was a smart decision not to make a prae diction. all right. thank you very much, charlie. >> thanks, arthel. >> charlie's a smart guy. he knows not do that. all right, in the event of a government shutdown, we're aware. but jen fir griffin looks at the effects it could have on the department of defense. >> greg, the last time the government shut down in 1995, it lasted 26 days. according to the pentagon, as many as 400,000 sishlean dod

workers could be furloughed this time around. military servicemembers including those serving in afghanistan are not subject to furlough and they would have to continue work without pay. they would also have to pick up the slack for civilian personnel doing their jobs as well. these military personnel would receive automatic retroactive pay once an appropriation may pass but they and their families may have trouble in the meantime. it would require an act of congress to pay those. for dod civilians, it's not automatic that they would get retroactive pay. other ways it would affect the department, death benefits for those killed in the war zone would not be paid until appropriations are passed and commissaries where many military families shop will close. he explains the impact of a potential shutdown. >> even if a lapse never occurs,

the planning itself is disruptive. people are worrying about whether their paychecks will be delayed rather than focusing on their mission. >> the office of management and budget estimates the last time there was a shutdown in 1995, it cost the taxpayer about $1.4 billion. greg? >> and it arguably cost republicans the presidency. jennifer griffin in washington. jennifer, thanks. >> all right. we are also keeping an eye on the conservative political action conference today in st. louis. now, this event is hosted by the american conservative union. among the guests taking the stage today, utah senator mike lee, former pennsylvania governor, rick santorum, and -- pardon me. and texas governor rick perry. the topics including tax reform as well as changes to the immigration law. the new obamacare state

health insurance exchanges are set to open this coming tuesday, and then millions of americans are supposed to be able to sign up for health care coverage without the help of federal subsidies, but now lawmakers want the same rules to apply to them, to congress and the administration. chief national correspondent jim angle is in washington with more. >> many have been asking questions about obamacare. why aren't any officials in it? >> if it's something that the white house and the administration is saying this is great for the american people, then they need to come be a part of it. >> if the president thinkings it's such a great idea, then it should apply to him and his political employees as well. >> this is like going to a fine restaurant and saying this is a fine dining restaurant but the chef doesn't want to eat with you. >> eat their own cooking if you

will, similar efforts also under way in the senate. >> i consider this almost the first rule of democracy. any law that is passed on a nation, america, folks who pass that law, folks here in washington, should be subject to the same thing. >> reporter: during the original debate over obamacare senator charles grassley inserted an amendment to make it so all members participate in obamacare so that's not an issue. and others agree in principle they should be part of it too. >> i have no problem with the bill at all. >> but in august the administration ruled members of congress and their staff could keep the 72% subsidy they get under the federal health plan and take it with them to the obamacare exchanges. though many staffers need the subsidies, lawmakers argue that they had no lool authority to offer them to congress. >> why is this president carving out an exception that doesn't exist in the law and only make members of congress and their staff the beneficiaries of it. >> as far as i'm concerned,

that's just made up out of thin air. a lot of them rightly get upset when the obama administration does that. >> levin defends staff members who have modest incomes. >> i think they should have status to health care like anyone else who works. >> it's a very painful thing for us do but it is the right thing for us to do. >> there are plenty of other issues about obamacare ahead of this one, of course, but there's no way the republicans are going to drop the fairness issue. in washington, jim angle, fox news. new insight into the scope of the devastation from a deadly terror attack in kenya. it's been a week since terrorists stormed a shopping mall, killing dozens of innocent people and taking hostages. the "associated press" bureau chief for south africa returned to the scene to find his car

nearly crushed. >> i'm inside the mall, the westgate mall. obviously huge destruction over there. here's our car. safe by about 20 feet. meanwhile the red cross is releasing new video of the chaos outside the mall. you can see volunteers there rushing to help victims. last weekend's attack left at least 67 civilians and soldiers dead. kenyan investigators say eight people are still in connection to that massacre. new videotape to the intense fighting in syria. take a look at this amateur videotape report lid showing rebels clashing with government forces in suburbs near damascus. gun mettle and shelling breaking out in several different areas. in the meantime diplomatic efforts to resolve the syrian crisis continue this hour at united nations. the u.n. security council adopting a resolution yesterday demanding the destruction of

syria's chemical weapons, but importantly this resolution does not impose any penalties against the assad regime if it fails to cooperate. let's go to texas now where a wild incident was caught on tape. here it is. an inmate escaping a county courthouse and trying to steal not one, but two cars. police say the suspect took off while being moved into the jail yesterday. he tried to carjack a utility truck, but the worker fought back, so he took off running. then he jumped behind the wheel of a cop car. niechlts finally police surrounding the vehicle and guess what? >> he's in custody, what do you bet. >> yep. >> he's behind bars where he should be. you could see that one coming. you know, it's amazing to me that they thichlg they can get away with that. >> i guess it's just desperation at that point. >> right. >> they'll try anything. >> yep. they don't want to be in jail,

which is where you belong. new reaction coming in between a his tore igs conversation between president obama and the president of iran. does this raise the possibility of a deal over iran's nuclear program or is that utterly preposterous? we'll take a look at that next. and the battle between the jackson family and the promoter. we'll see how this plays out. [ sneezes, coughs ]

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when fema stops paying the bill. well, history is coming to life for some lucky students in new york. more than 400 years ago, henry hudson sailed from lower manhattan to what is now the state's capitol, albany. now every september a full-scale replica of his ship. >> in september of 1609 henry hudson sailed his ship, half moon. he later predicted the land would be profitable for those who would adventure it. >> so part of what you're doing is teaching kids the adventure of the hudson river. >> absolutely. a lot of these students live within a half mile from the river but have never been on it.

>> chip reynolds made a replica of the half moonvesle as a teaching mechanism and each september reynolds makes a voice from lower manhattan to albany. it's the exact route henry hudson took along an unexplored waterway that would eventually bear his name. now, hudson was an adventurer, but he was also a businessman with the dutch east company. >> he had to document everything. for example, making maps, you can take the maps he made from 1609 and lay them against maps today and they're almost precisely the same. >> the kids stay busy monitoring the wind's temperature and wind speeds and diligently recording its depths. reynolds says he not only tries to recreate the tasks of the original voyage but also its wonder. >> all the new foods, meeting new people, making new friends,

learning new things. >> i never sailed a boat before, and now i have. >> reporter: the captain is now trying to expand the educational experience with a learning center on the banks of the hudson, which he says will hopefully reach more and more students. our waterways made our country what it is today. how important is it for us to stay connected to rivers like the hudson river? >> well, the past and the present are intimately connected. to the past we see how important these rivers were then and remind ourselves how important they are today. >> reporter: he says anyone who agrees it's important to learn more about the hudson river both in the past and present can go to halfmoonreplica.org and contribute to his efforts. douglas kennedy, fox news. >> what a beautiful ship. isn't that spectacular? >> it really is. >> lucky douglas.

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delaying it for a year, setting it up for a standoff with the senate and the white house headed for a partial government shutdown come monday, midnight. the u.s. military announcing a suspension of the number two commander for all firefighter fighting forces due to unspecified reasons while under investigation. they experienced a litany of problems stemming from inadequate radio communications. mixed reaction to a historic conversation between president obama and the president of iran. a 15-minute phone call ending decades of high-level silence now drawing cheers and sum protests. bryan llenas. hi, bryan. >> they expressed an urgency and

determination over concerns to end the program peacefully. rouhani's first u.s. visit causing mixed reaction in iran. hundreds of supporters greeted his motorcade. some protests tried blocking his motorcade, chanting death to america while reportedly hurdling eggs. one threw a shoe which missed him. >> i think the biggest challenge that it will face is proving to the u.s. and world community that what he said here on the world stage, the way in which he strolled into new york as a moderate. now he has to back that up and to see how he will reconcile that with his hard line supporters back in iran. >> the reaction coming after rouhani says he hopes to seek a nuclear deal with the u.s. in the next three to six months, a

negotiating deal over their nuclear program could put an end to crippling economic sanctions put in place on iran by the u.s. >> translator: i believe that whatever result we achieve through negotiations, my government does, will have the full backing of all the powers, meaning the three main branches of power in iran as well as the support of the people of iran. >> now, the others, there still is skepticism in the white house over whether or not this plan will actually happen. now prime minister benjamin netanyahu will voice his opinion. >> bryan llenas. thank you very much for that report. still he and president obama say their historic conversation was a step forward toward reaching a deal on iran's disputed nuclear program.

really. well, for yoi for more on this, good to see you. you know, at united nations, rouhani snubbed president obama not once, not twice, three times, now all of a sudden he takes a phone call from mr. obama. and in iran as you saw, reaction is mixed. equal parts compliment and condemnation. what do you make of all this? >> well, greg, i think rouhani strolled into new york for a week and was met with really a litany of rouhani euphoria. this was great excitement for the new so-called moderate leader. president obama did everything he could to get a handshake and a personal phone call, begging the regime for that phone call. i think in tehran the hard liners are actually pleased. they got president obama's speech where he committed not to engage in regime change in iran and rouhani got all of this without giving anything on the

world stage. >> speaking of which, president obama insists that a diplomatic solution over iran's nuclear program can be negotiated, but in his speech at the u.n., rouhani said iran will never, ever give up its uranium enrichment. as you know, iran is already close to what's known as breakout capacity, meaning it could finish a device in a matter of weeks. you know, mark, in truth, what's there to negotiate? greg, that's exactly right. the iranians have declared domestic enrichment to be nonnegotiable, so that could be capitulation if they gave up the right. now, excluding iran, there are 33 countries in the world of nuclear programs of which 19 of those countries have peaceful nuclear programs without domestic enrichment or plutonium reprocessing. the 14 countries that do have that, nine of them have nuclear weapons which leaves five

countries, holland, germany, japan, brazil, and argentina. we are being asked to believe that iran, which has pursued nuclear weapons for years is going to be more like holland and japan than pakistan and north korea. >> and they're developing a delivery system of long-range missiles, they support terrorism, so inherently they cannot be trusted. be the united states and others have been negotiating with them nonetheless for years, and it's gone absolutely nowhere. the leadership doesn't give a wit that they have hurt the people. their goal seemed to clearly be a nuclear bomb. so are you skeptical that this new approach will do anything but serve iran to give them more time to pursue the bomb? >> i think that's exactly the strategy. iran is about nine or ten months away from having critical nuclear capability in an undetectable breakout, which

means they could weapon ooiz uranium without the iaea. the iranian game is to stretch out the negotiations, keep adding centrifuges, build out the critical capability and any deal that is eventually sign and any deal would give them the ability to break out or sneak out a bomb. >> do you think that the obama administration is sort of being played here, they're being snookered, and that the president himself in pursuing this strategy may be naive? >> greg, i hope not. i hope the obama administration understands the history of iranian nuclear deception and that this president rouhani is the very man who's engaged that nuclear deception when he was the former negotiator for iran. i hope the administration understands that the nice smiling cleric has spent his entire life to building a nuclear weapon and he's not

going to surrender that because of moderate sounding pieties. >> obama's speech faced krit same because it seemed to some or many to focus on america's failures and a disinterest in democracy, especially in iran. in fact, the "washington post" editorial page, this is pretty stunning, called this the most morally crimped speech by a president in modern times. what do you think? >> i think the president completed wi completely ignored in his speech human rights. he has ignored this regime's terrorism, the fact that this regime has been killing americans for years, and he specifically said we're not interesting in regime chance. in fact, the most powerful person in iran, he said that this was not a sign of ben ef

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>> and welcome back. detroit is bankrupt, you probably heard about that. they're giving detroit $300 million in government and private money to clean out blighted nabted and help city police and firefighters. they're $18 billion in debt and it will take a lot more to rae viev detroit. how will it work? hi, david. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> let's see here. where is this money coming from? >> it's coming from a variety of programs. part of it is the government. this is not really a bailout. this is more like disaster relief aid not dissimilar to a hurricane hitting a state and federal funds come in. i think probably some of the bigger issues -- there are bigger issues we need to talk about in detroit. >> well, if you're saying this this is more like disaster relief aid, do you think it's a

good idea for the federal government to give detroit $300 million? >> it sounds like a really big number. it isn't. in some cases it's like finding a $20 bill in government expenditures. thing the bigger issues for detroit are really what's centering around funds. >> kevin orr, he says their investigations are uncovering a lot of questionable decision like city pensions. like what, david? >> they're finding a lot of questionable real estate deals. i wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more it dietments as time rolls on. these kind of things, there's probably a lot of insider trades going on. just the way it was made up. there were a lot of very poor decisions made and i think one of the things that they're trying to do is define the benefit plan. >> before you go and say how great it is, explain how it

works. >> that's a good point. a defined benefit plan promises a defined benefit at some point in the future where it's guaranteed. and what we don't know is what transpires in the next, 10, 20, 30 years. he wants to move to a 401(k) plan like the rest of the nation. of course, the government employees don't want that and for a lot of good reasons because they're liable to get more the other way. i absolutely am certain this is exactly what needs to get done to be able to help right the ship in detroit. what i can't tell you is whether or not it's legal. >> let ee go here. we're talking about detroit for the moment. is this going to remain a local problem, david, door you feel like there might be national implications here? >> you know, there are national implications because if this did mor morph, arthel, like a massive bailout i can guarantee there will be dozens of cities around

the country. there are a lot of cities in trouble and if they see detroit get agile bailout they're going to be knocking on the fed's door and wanting it too. and municipal bond markets, this has rattled the muni markets around the nation. you have to understand and it's important for the viewers that municipal bonds are how we fund local government, local projects, schools. if it keeps going higher, like you said it could have national implications. i would hope that a federal bailout is not coming because it would be a disaster. >> because everyone else would have their hand out for that. >> absolutely. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. after 58 witnesses over 83 days of testimony the michael jackson wrongful death trial is now squarely in the hands of the jury. with nearly billion dollars on the line, what can we expect? our legal panel weighs in next.

>> it was mr. jackson, not aeg live, that chose dr. conrad murray. >> they don't care about the person. they don't care about the individual. all they care about is how much money is this freak going make for them.

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a verdict expected soon in the dramatic court battle between the family of michael jackson and the king of pop's last concert promoter, a lawsuit filed by jackson's mother claims that promoter, aeg live was negligent in hiring the personal conviction, the doctor later quiconvicted in the pop star's death. so what can we expect after 80 days of testimony? you know, robert is going to be with us in just a second, a little trouble with his audio, i think. but doug, let me start with you, doesn't it come down to who actually hired dr. conrad murray, who later was convicted of involuntary manslaughter? >> yes, you came right down to the detail, we get so lost in the trial, but this jury is

going to be focusing on one thing and one thing alone, which is exactly what you just said. if in fact michael jackson insisted he be hired, then it is ball game over. the idea that aeg really hired him to me is a bit of a stretch, honestly, because it seems to me from the evidence that i have d eye gest -- digested, would have a lot to say about who would be hired. >> robert shaw, let me go to you on that. i was on a program a couple of days ago, and because i tried a couple of cases in l.a., and the thing i thought was the last thing i want to do is represent a rich firm like aeg, in front of an l.a. juror, because i don't know if they care about the aspects of the law.

>> right, you have to take into consideration the criminal or civil aspects, you know beth, if these are the types of cases in which you have a 21-week case, you have to think of the jury pool you get, who is sitting on the jury. somebody from the middle to income lower classes that can sit on these juries for a period of time, these are people that would think of the billion dollar company, and what is a couple of million dollars out of their company? >> let me play one clip of closing arguments, and we'll get back to you, here it is. >> mr. terell and his other friend referred to michael jackson who they entered into a multi-million dollar contract with to build up their arena as a freak. that is how they think about him. they want you to hold a concert promoter liable for michael jackson's overdose.

in his bedroom, at night, behind locked doors. on june 25th, 2009. pause on that for a moment. >> you know, even michael jackson's ex-wife took the witness stand and said, you know, he hid his long-time addiction from everybody and was skilled at doing it. so in the end, might jurors conclude that jackson killed himself? personal responsibility? >> no, i think honestly when you formulate the two sides of the rhetoric, and the lawyers did a good job of, it was hidden from everybody, we had no idea. the other side says come on, you have to be kidding me. there are e-mails saying freak, i don't know if that equates with substance abuse problems. but at the end of the day, the way you put it, wins the day, i think. >> yes, used to be back in the day, a contributory negligent

state. now isn't it possible that the jurors may reach a compromise by giving part to each side? >> yes r, especially if you giv the fact that known testimony from witnesses that date michael jackson's abuse on the propofol years past, saying you shouldn't take that type of medication. so i think michael jackson had a say on who was going to be working with his medical team. not only that, aeg told him, we have doctors for you in london, you don't need to bring your own doctors. and that was a big sticking point for him, he wanted dr. murray to work with them, because he knew exactly what he wanted. >> doug, we have a minute left, let's talk about personal damages to the family, because he is no longer here, but the earning capacity lost, that could be $1.5 billion, right? >> yes, but it is kind of a

mixed analysis, and robert and i talked about it earlier. look, the point is, the plaintiff is michael jackson's mother as well as children. so the point is, it is not necessarily michael jackson's earnings, per se. i also wanted to throw in quickly on the negligence, they argument look, ladies and gentlemen, a bicycle built for two, either one could be at fault. so they really are playing that card. >> yeah, they sure are, robert shaw, doug burns, thank you so much, gentlemen. >> and that will do it for us. a healthy you and carol alt, starting right now. >> we're going to be back at 6:00 eastern. >> have a great afternoon, everyone. good-bye. hey linda!

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