>> greta: just seconds our government will shut down. bret baier taking over our live coverage another hour, don't go away. stay with bret. >> this is a fox news alert in washington it's midnight here in the political nation's capital. old fiscal year has ended and a new one has begun gun without funding for much of the government. the office of management and budget directed agencies to execute their shut down procedures and orderly should down therk said. the game of political chicken between house republicans on one side and democrats on another and the president has gone into overtime. you're looking live at senator harry reid. let's dip in and listen to the senator right now as he speaks about the shut down. >> to issue a shut down statement and she's done that.

here he is. head of departments and agencies. this mem rand yum falls september 17th memo providing an update on potential lapse of appropriations no more phone shall after midnight. appropriations to consolidate further continuation act expire at 11:59 tonight. enforcing we don't have any indication of congress will act in time for the president signing a continuing resolution before the end of the day tomorrow. october 1, 2013. therefore agencies should knot now execute plans for shut down due to absence of appropriations. that is what she says. so madam president agencies of government under process of closing down.

now, it appears the house is not going to do anything to keep the government from shutting down. they've got some jerrywood thing about going to conferences if madam president it's embarrassing that these people who are elected to rep ep sent the country are representing the tea party, the anarchists in the country. majority of the republicans in the house are following every step of the way. this is an unnecessarily blow to america. to the economy and everyone. the house should pass a cr we've sent them so. madam president we are going to come into the morning and see what they've done tonight. i hope they'd understand tonight all they have to do is accept what he have to pass.

all of the stuff they keep sending over here, so fixated on embarrassing our president, the president of the united states, they think an election is coming this month of. it happened last november. he was elected by five million votes. over what romney got. five million votes. wasn't too close. so it is too bad. madam president i'm going to ask this consent but i would ask that we're going to go out tonight come back at 9:30 in the morning.

so consent is that we're going to recess until 9:30 tomorrow morning. but i want the senators who are here on the floor to be able to talk for five minutes each. last consent when the senate completes and adjourns until 9:30 tuesday, october 1 internal proceedings being approved today. and at that time, i would be recognized at 9:30. and that senate recess from 12:30 to 2:15. >> senate majority leader saying the republicans are quote fixated on embarrassing this president not talking about the policy back and forth and what republicans have been saying about the process who. says congress can't get anything done quickly? lawmakers tonight were ping ponging legislation back and forth at a furious pace.

did they get anything accomplished? we're now past the deadline. the government at least partially shut down at this point. and this. >> good morning to you. yes. house lawmakers trying to force democrats to negotiate. they're expected to pass a bill rejected earlier this evening, in the senate, and will name conferees designed to work out differences with the senate. to suggest that someone can sit at the other side of the building and say do it my way or no way at all and you won't play by my rules shut down is on you is apolling to me. >> the senate stripped the house bill of a one year delay and removeal of obama care exemptions for congress and political appointees. senate majority leader harry reid suggested house republicans are insane. >> einstein was a genius, but

it doesn't take a genius to figure out proof is watching the house republicans because they've lost their minds. and keep trying to dot same thing over and over again. >> this evening, president obama and speaker boehner spoke by phone about 10 minutes on the house floor boehner said the talk did not row dus -- produce results. >> i talked to the president earlier tonight. i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going do this. well, i say to the president this is not about me. this is not about republicans, here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. why don't we make sure that every american is treated like we are? >> majority leader eric cantor defended house's actions saying obama care exemptions are unfair. >> there should be no special treatment for anyone under the law. that is a bounding principal of the country. no special treatment for anyone.

equal application, equal treatment under the law. brelt bret late this afternoon, the president lectured lawmakers. >> you don't get to extract a ransom for doing your job. for doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway or just because there is a law that you don't like. >> bret: tonight with time running out some expressed concern it wasn't forth fighting obama care if it produced a shut down. >> i think we have a responsibility here. we've got a responsibility to governor yesh -- govern and we're not doing that right now. >> it's not clear how long a government shut down will last. the reality is that many republicans saw this as a last chance to stop obama care. bret? >> mark we'll head back for breaking news. thanks mike. life goes on in places like seattle on the west coast as you look live at seattle. lights are on.

philadelphia just you're on the east. they're still up. some are. during next hour we'll look at where we are and how we got here, james rosen with breaking news from president obama. >> president ob yaum released a videotaped message to american armed forces around the world as well as estimated 400,000 civilian defense department workers who will likely be furloughed. >> you and your families deserve better than the dysfunction we're seeing in congress. your talents and dedication help keep our military in the best in the world. wile aisle keep working to get congress to reopen the government skb get you back to work as soon as possible. >> theief called it unfortunate congress has not, as he put it fulfilled his responsibility. the parallel was the government shut downs with two decadesing a -- decades ago are quite striking.

air traffic controllers, federal law enforcement officers, the coast guard customs and border patrol, meat inspectors postal service, and lots of other workers will stay on the job. >> if you're on social security you'll keep receiving checks. if you're on medicare, your doctors will still see you. >> but 800,000 federal employees at national park sites and nasa and elsewhere will be told to surrender smart phones and stay home. it can change in 1996 shut down, initially, social security focused on processing checks and continued to do that but declare pemd that dealt with new applications to be nonessential. after a couple weeks they started to say we're going to have a huge backlog and brought those people back n. >> the house and senate voted to continue paying u.s. troops

at the department of vet transaffairs claims processors will stay on the job and beneficiaries will receive benefits if the shut down ends within three weeks but before then, regional offices will likely put can you tell back on services and some see funding stoppage affecting military traigs operation autos we won't fund ships and ground equipment and sensors. that are always in use in preparing troops to take the place of the troops in combat. >> others seeing no cause for lasting concerns. >> there have been 17 shut downs since the late 1970s. the stock market didn't tank in those shut downs in the last big shut down, 16995 and 19996, stock market rose. >> between a three year pay freeze and sequestration

forcing some furloughs this summer, uncle sam's work fierce is feeling battered and weary. >> there is a combination of anger, fear and in terms of resignation about here we go again with the same old thing. >> what will not be furloughed are the bills that they have to pay. these americans are neighbors. their kids go to our schools they worship where we do. they serve their country with pride. >> one point on terminology back in 1990s those federal employees who stayed on the job were deemed essential. those furloughed and sent home called nonessential. the terms used today in official literature treefrd those accepted from the shut down and those nonexcepted. bret? >> every kid gets a trophy. >> how long do you think the shut down will last? let me know on twitter, you

can follow me at bret baier. president obama went on television with another public appeal for house republican republicans to do this his way. then, picking up the phone. ed henry has that part of the story. good morning. >> good morning bret. he was asked what he can offer these negotiations and he replied he shouldn't have to offer anything saying republicans are not doing him any favors by doing what he thinks congress should already be doing pay for the bills that they've racked up, a sign of why both sides are so far apart. >> as the clock ticked president obama placed phone calls to all four top congressional leaders urging republicans to work with him, shortly after he blamed them for a shut down. >> one faction of one party in one house of congress in one branch of government, doesn't get to shut down the entire

government just to respite the results of an election. >> the president grew more pessimistic after initially suggesting after a sit down with the israeli prime minister there was hope to avoid a should down. the president was in the briefing room warning of dire consequences for the economy. >> idea of putting the american people's hard earned ro gres at risk is the height of irresponsibility. >> then gathered his cabinet to prep for the worst. >> i wish they're spending more time focusing on how to grow job skptz economy opposed to having to spend time how to manage a government shut down. >> the message pushed throughout the day is the president is eager to work on a broader budget deal. >> only way to do that is for everybody to sit down in good faith. >> except there is no sit down today or in recent weeks. >> if they're wrong. >> can i remind you the

speaker of the house said at the beginning of the year he would never negotiate with the president again he felt doing so burned him. >> bring him here. >> maybe you didn't catch up to what the president just said he said he would be talking to leaders of congress. >> why isn't there a meeting snowed. >> again very nothing new to report on the president's schedule. >> republicans continue to charge the president is going slow because the white house wants to pin blame on the g.o.p.. >> to me looks like democrats here in the senate and president are sort of anxious to have a shut down. >> now, spokesman jay carney denied that saying he's not sure who this will help but went on to accuse republicans of extortion which might not actually get negotiation goesing. >> ed henry live on the north lawn, thank you. more on this shut down what is coming up next? the politics and expanded all star panel right near studio. burning the midnight oil.

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don't wait to ask your doctor about spiriva. oorngs we're past the deadline now. let's bring in our expanded panel tonight. steve haze senior writer for the weekly standard, amy stoddard, juan williams, and charlts krauthammer. thoughts around td horn here? >> taking charge turned into taking a stroll. the boehner and house republicans are the leadership has now try just about skpefrg i think they're out of ideas. and you can see on the democratic side the president indignation, or chess straighted how to exploit this. he knows he's got politics on his side, i'm looking for a fairly quick surrender on the

side of the republicans. >> i think it's about john boehner at this point. fascinating political moment, how does john boehner managed renegade who's have so far defeated him in his own caucus? is he will tok make peace with them? did z he think that he can do better and maintain power by turning his back on them? >> it is possible that this turns another way? that democrats and republicans overplayed their hand this time? >> this is an interesting question. they've been so confident all along. senate majority leader harry reid jammed john boehner didn't give him a face saving compromise like medical device tax repeal. nothing. he kept that senate shut sunday, he ran out the clock. i think they were surprised that he won't kind of work with boehner. what they're doing now is not managing the rest of conservatives they're trying to manage the plan for surrender with, in mind this

huge, more important deadline just week as way. >> so you think that is where this is heading. i think it's earlly to call it a surrender this, is where it's heading for a long time, republicans settle ond what i think are the two most effective public arguments against obama care. those are very good arguments to republicans should be having. they just happen to be attached to the least effective vehicle now shift to the debt ceiling. the president has a lot of skin in the game. stakes are higher. i think the risks are greater for president obama because the stakes are so much higher, he has a lot to lose if he doesn't take seriously what republicans are asking him to do after he's made changes to his law. >> that is just a midnight taste of the panel.

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this is about money so let's find out how it's affecting markets around the world we have team coverage tonight on capitol hill with the domestic impact. we begin with international markets whr already up and rung for the day. david pike jer live in bankock. it's late morning. hello, david. >> yes, asian markets are watching developments closely but today are firmer and the japanese stocks moved into

posted territory, hong kong stock market closed today but other markets are moving ahead. asian investors had a chance to reyablgt during monday's trading and they sold off off recent strong gains. stocks fell after eight weeks of strong gains other asian markets hong kong sunk one and a half percent on monday. analysts say investors worried deadlock could continue, dragging markets down further. >> so i think a global market so disappointed, actually. the solution this america is politicians. engaged in useless political gesturing. instead of trying to solve economy problems facing them.

>> some point out that any u.s. government shut down would be temporary, supporting the markets. but they add injofrts are looking for the problems to be resolved quickly because asia's markets are booming at the moment. back to you, greta. >> live in bankock, thank you. and how showdown will play with the american economy. that story this morning from the capitol. hello, rich. >> hello. it's played foo the american economy probably already affected your 401(k). take a look. u.s. markets down across the board closing last evening. the dow jones falling 128 points. nasdaq, s and p 10 points, all mostly, investors say because of fears of a shut down. the budget office says the affect does get worst longer you get into it. hundreds of thousands of federal workers are removed from the uth millions perhaps billions in

contract dollars, one investor says he's concerned about a prolonged fight. >> if this takes a long time gets into the debt limit fight which i happen to think is coming and that one is a different political construction, and more power in the house among republicans and caucus, this then gets pro longed we lose gdp at the rate of two tenths at 1% a month. >> that loss is something when looking back at 1995 and 1996 shut downs last shut down here you did have a loss in gdp final quarter of 95 and first quarter of 1996 but you saw pick up after those shut down so there was an affect then and a real recovery then, if you try to equate it now the problem is that a different economy than looking at today. waits a stronger economy one had better growth than now. and stronger underpinnings.

that is something that is difficult to compare going back nearly 17 years. and a point is how does this bode for the government's dell ceiling fight. >> back to you. >> the debt keeling is where the market is most. >> yes. and the world reserve occurrencey is for investor autos we have more from the panel on all of this. the politics and policy. in just hours health care exchanges will open up across the country. people sign up for obama care. what this fight was about. more from the panel right after this. ready to run your lines? okay, who helps you focus on your recovery? yo, yo, yo. aflac. wow. [ under his breath ] that was horrible. pays you cash when you're sick or hurt? [ japanese accent ] aflac. love it. [ undehis breath ] hate it.

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>> we sent a second, third offer we're now asking simple a chance to appoint conferees get together, face-to-face, talk about the issues and idea. find room for compromise and do something better that. is what we're asking for. >> pete sessions on the house floor. let's bring in our panel once again. ab. republicans seem to liked

they're going through regular motions trying to make a point they're doing everything they can by the book but the other side is not biting stha. going to work on the receipt tore cal mountain they have to climb once this sets in tomorrow? or today? >> like i said i mean, i really have affected in the last 36 hours john boehner would not go to a shut down and if he did it would be brief. maybe 36 hours. it doesn't seem tonight like they know what he's doing. there is the a lot of confusion among members in leadership about what the exit ramp is for this situation. this conference thing is a joke. the senate pressured to pass the budget them. did that. by april 15th it was their constitutional requirement to come up with a conference on a budget so senate republicans

including senator ted cruz objected to that. they know going into this when sessions says we just want to sit down together to compromise they know that this thing is a face saving move to buy more hours before they can figure out how to get out of this. >> this is a battle boehner wanted to set up on the debt ceiling does this whole what happened? hurt that? >> i think it does. i think certainly the case the more it lasts the more it complicates the argument. one thing is that he's got a clear argument to make too-to-move to sort of the debt ceiling because what he can say is that you may have made pledges you weren't going to vote for a continuing resolution that funds obama care, but you did. that is what happened 6 -- this

evening. let's just stay together and have the fight where we've got it delivered it's a compelling argument there are only a handful of republicans who didn't vote for this latest continuing resolution for that reason. so, i think john boehner has a strong hand to go to his republicans and say, let's move off of this particular vehicle and get onto the debt ceiling. >> democrats were unified throughout this, sticking with harry reid and the president but there are state red democrat who's have to be feeling a little bit of pain with the votes. >> i think so. people there who are vulnerable. but the interesting turn of this is when you look from a purely political standpoint, you don't see republicans uping the pressure on those democrats and instead, it's been republicans shooting at republicans, but your point is well taken if you look at a normal political dynamic you look at pryor, landdrew and

you would think these guys are sitting ducks right there. in red space. why don't we go after them? they were able to push joe mansion from west virginia just a tad but harry reid and nancy pelosi had the luxury of saying do you know what? our forces see this as an attempt to bully democrats, the president, and to take away what is a tremendous victory. >> charles, we are where we are f republicans started with delay, instead of defund do you think we would have been a different place? >> yes. they started to make the argument a month ago about delay to make people understand the fairness which is heart of the issue. talking about exemption for congress they would have had the upper hand but because it's all monday nop poll jized -- monday nop poll jized by people who bant wanted to speak of destroying obama care, it became an issue of the

president's signature. then, it became people goring to say are you going to do this? over a continuing resolution? that was a loser from the beginning. problem is that republicans in the house are now in retreat. it goes from overturning to it delaying it, to delaying a provision and also having a conference. look. sit over. throw in the towel. place to fight is this always been true it's the truth. you fight on the debt keel weg know from the polls that people want to see a fight on the debt ceiling they're not even, in favor of raising it in the absence of demands. it's one place where polls have shown 60% of americans want to see it with a dedplees spending and are prepared to see a fight and a threat over it. the other part of the -- if i can add one point. we ought to be slow shoeing today the complete that this

dysfunction of the kickoff the health care exchanges all of the loopholes and mistakes and stuff we know is there. instead of the focus on that as it would be with monday nop pollized headlines it's going to be on the panda cam is now shut down in the zoo. >> i was working to get that shot. the panda cam went from oh, it's still on. look. it's still on them. have not flipped a switch. thank goodness. >> false alarms everywhere. >> thank goodness. >> there you go. >> more on the other side another look as we head to break. pand yaz are sleeping and everything is okay. everybody can see them. [ tires screech ]

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>> back with the panel. president says this is not the big picture the deal that the shut down is a big picture is not horrible, and shut it down. so what? and of course there are 825,000 civilian federal employee who's are furloughed. while they could get back pay they're still zront a check and not going anywhere. >> i mean does the shut down costing $2 billion?

this is what you hear from john boehner, and leaders in the party they're united. the leadership unlike in 2011 is united this time. there can be no coup against speaker boehner because there is no replacement for him. the pack of 40 can't choose ted cruz because they're only a number in the 40s. have you this united front, mostly in the senate, most all senate republicans, 180 in the house republicans conference, and at the leadership table who say we are concerned about the long term vision of the republican party and our ability to build a national coalition for white house in 2016 this, is not going threaten the majority next year. they're going to be invited back to their district and they're going hold the house they're concerned about the long term prospects of the party, they want the senate and they want the white house. so this is why when people say it wasn't so bad, you know?

in 95 and this. john boehner live tlud it and he thinks it was bad and begs to differ that. is why it's strange to find him in this moment. he didn't have an exit plan for next fight which is more important. and that is a fight they can't lose them can't bring the country to the press default again and be perceived as being responsible. >> in essence by going through this, how this played out, isn't bane glower a better position tonight? >> there are some short term impolitic goesing back and forth to the point charles is making if you moves quickly on a clean continuing resolution, the story changes entirely. there are two ways the next few week was play out. we can have constant stories about government shut down and panda cams and what have you

or you can have stories about obama care, and the congressional exemption and individual mandate versus business mandate and democratic splits. joe mansion other red tape democrats against their colleagues. i think that this is actually a big moment. i think that, you know, i disagree with some of my colleague who's believe that what ted cruz and mike skplee other dz serve nod purpos56ú: if you go back a ways, it was unclear that obama care was going to be part of this at all. for making it part of the discussion and a central part, i think they deserve a tremendous amount of credit. now, it's part of the discussion. everybody is talking about it. now, it's the time i think for a tactical pivot sou might get something valuable, something that could be call called a win out of this. >> that requires a pivot.

then, a week before you realize this isn't a fight you want. you want to do it on the debt ceiling so you do what we're going to have to do now. they are going to have to plas a c >> but you've seen these messages. liberty 76, okay, i'm convince that had krauthammer lost it. we support the shut down to defund obama care or delay obama care. >> look. i respect the sincerity of the opinion but sit suicide what. you're doing is shutting the government down. there is no end game. there isn't even a middle game here, you can't continue with the government shut down. it's going to be on the head of the republicans. instead of concentrating on what is going to happen, what really is happening with obama care focusing on that, if you pass a clean cr, if you fold on this as you're going to have to, then you pivot to where strength is. you can do the threat on the

debt ceiling. polls have shown countries behind you. and the president will not allow that to happen. he was hungering for the government to be shut down. he was hoping he, it will. it's the opposite on the debt ceiling he's going have to negotiate on that. that is where you can win. >> more on the other side of the break. obama care comes on line in a few hours, we'll take a look at other problems some things still have to be worked out what. administration is hoping for, will peace and reaction right after the break. announcer: where can an investor be a name and not a number? scottrade. ron: i'm never alone with scottrade. i can always call or stop by my local office. they're nearby and ready to help. so when i have questions, i can talk to someone who knows exactly how i trade. because i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. that's why i'm with scottrade. announcer: scottrade- proud to be ranked

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there are not too many people expecting a smooth start. >> with the president's signature legislation on health care about to begin, there is still numerous questions about how, and whether this will work. >> obama >> obama care succeeds or fails based on enrollment, period. >> most important is whether young people sign up without whom obama care will face enormous problems. >> the younger people are subsidizing older people in this law because health care costs for older people run more than seven times more than the cost for younger people. >> the key question then is how many young people will sign up? one person found national incentives may discourage people. >> radio a lot of people 18 to 34 would save $500 by paying the

penalty under the individual mandate. 3 million would save about $1,000. many young people smending far less on medical care now than obama care would cost them prk analysts fear the young will pass it up. >> i think it's just one more thing that's going to discourage young and healthy people from signing up. >> another potential problem, both state and federal exchanges have been problems verifying incomes and who qualifies for subsidies, which could delay signing up. >> the glitches include a calculator that doesn't work. now they're faced with to tential of a poor launch of their signature domestic program

any administration failures could discourage the young, the most web savvy generation ever. >> october 1 is going to be important, whether they think it is or not. if these websites are not really functional on october 1, that's another thing that's likely to drive young and healthy people away. >> and those on all sides agree on one thing, if the young don't sign up, obama care will be far, far more expensive if it works at all. brett? >> jim, thanks. back with the panel. juan, listen, polls show there's a lot of people concerned about obamacare. there's a lot of uncertainties. . >> first me say it's an historic day. it's an unbelievable day. this is the start where obamacare meets the road, where most americans can engage with obamacare. until now you' had some changes in terms of insurance, doing away with the idea of that

insurance companies can deny you because of pre-existing conditions, your children staying on until you're 26. and some of these ore consumer-type protections. but this is the first time people can engage. according to joe widen, it is a big bleeping deal. in terms of moving towards some sorm of national health care. if the push had the prescription drug benefit. you were pointing out to me the level of opposition that exist. it's been a lightning rod. the shift in congress we know

now that created this tea party caucus. so much that we're talking about is this. it isn't really on the table. we know from the polls that people don't like it. some actually want single payer, which is more extreme form. people don't like it because they're so confused. one of the jokes around town still plays today is who read this bill. this is american history. >> it's an historic day. that's why i think republicans, unfortunately, this is about tactics. it is a day where i think we would have seen an historic flop. as we just heard from jim angle said, when you can't calculate

the premium on the computer, this is not going to be a success. the reason young people aren't going to sign up. if you can sign up with a pre-existing condition, you fall down the steps, you call in and you buy insurance at the bottom of the steps. so why buy it in advance when you're healthy. it makes no sense. for any young person it makes no sense. what what are we talking about, the republican base is solidly behind the house. the tea party will be mad as hell with republicans. the house has already moved from defund fight. it's no longer a defound a fight with a handful of house members.

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