i won't be using it. >> bedazzler says if someone is to the point of looking for love on the internet, why would they want to pay extra to limit their chances? great point. thanks to everyone who wrote. >> we appreciate it. "fox & friends" starts right now. bye. >>elisabeth: good morning. it is october 3, 2013. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. we start with a fox news alert. the president finally brings both sides to the white house for the first time in his shutdown talks. and his message? again, i will not negotiate. i'm exasperated. the latest developments while you were sleeping. >> veterans move barricades to get into the world war ii memorial in washington but did you know our government actually sent more people to stop those veterans from getting into the war memorial than the state department sent to help people in benghazi? that stunning story is coming up on this thursday

morning. >>brian: forget that he calls the united states an unexceptional parasite. russian president vladimir putin up for the nobel peace prize. they must have seen this picture that you're about to see. maybe not. "fox & friends" starts now. ♪ ♪ >>steve: i can hardly wait. in the next three hours you're going toñi see that picture. >>brian: i'm going to cut and paste one together if we don't have a chance to see it. vladimir putin did this thing to get qualified fort nobel peace prize. >>steve: elisabeth, a busy day in washington yesterday. >>elisabeth: everybody was finally coming together. the president finally comes to the table with congressional leader. but no deal and no

negotiating, of course. and now he says he's exasperated. >>steve: really? >>elisabeth: yes. listen. >> during the course of my presidency, i have bent over backwards to work with the republican party. am i exasperated? absolutely i'm exasperated because this is entirely unnecessary. >>steve: he went on to say, i have bent over backwards to work over with the republicans, and i have purposely kept my rhetoric down. really? there's a lot of name-calling coming out from both parties actually. but the president himself, even though yesterday he went on cnbc trying to take the high road saying look i've done everything -- except negotiate. he also, could the president have possibly tried to trigger a stock market selloff yesterday? because at one point he said, when referring to wall street, he said when you have a situation in which a faction is willing to default on the u.s. debt

and obligations, then we are in trouble, when he was asked by john harwood about the upcoming debt ceiling. >>brian: does he understand it's his economy and his report card? he might want to blame the speaker, minority leader, whoever. when people look back they are going to say what happened to the economy after the first year of your second term? i don't understand why it is in his best interest to tell cnbc, the second best news channel around, that i'm worried. you people on the stock market, you people who are investors, this time it could be different. i think they should be concerned. that makes no sense to me. however, good and bad. yesterday in the afternoon we hear the president of the united states summoned the leaders on both parties to come to the white house. let's spend about an hour together and try to work this out. but let me make this clear. i'm not going to be negotiating. i'm not going to be capitulating. there will not be any compromise when it comes to obamacare. no surprise an hour later when they walk out speaker

boehner says we were very polite but we got nothing done. >>elisabeth: some say he was there just to say he was there. the equivalent to coming in the last minutes of the game and saying you're out of breath. really? you couldn't be exasperated. there is a marketing campaign now against one section of the republican party, and they are going to try to pinpoint and hone in on those par in the tea party as the enemy when the republicans tried to represent the majority of americans at the table forever, it seems. >>brian: it is the tea party, one portion of one party, 50 on the outskirts, i feel bad for john boehner. they are trying to marriage tphalz. that is -- marginalize it. some republicans are saying now we're trying to be manipulated.

>>steve: there is one person against it but i think we're starting to see what the republican strategy is, and the strategy is this. they know what the democrats and the republicans agree on. they both want to do something about obamacare. the republicans want to get rid of it, defund it or do something. and the democrats want to keep it intact completely. because they can't really move on that, what they're going to do is move on little stuff that they do agree on. you know, funding of national parks, the n.i.h., veterans benefits and stuff hike that. and though harryñi reid says we're not going to negotiate piecemeal, keep in mind, harry reid did go ahead and negotiate when it came to military pay. so every time now that the democrats vote something down, all the republicans have to do is say we're trying to get the country going, but you guys keep saying no, no, no. >>elisabeth: unless it's their idea, of course. >>steve: they have no

ideas. we're not going to negotiate. >>elisabeth: or they'll say we're only going to make an exception when it has to do with the corporations because the obamacare website is not working well and it might not be up to speed for their capabilities for a year. we're not going to bend on the american people. we'll talk on veterans but it has to come from our table. not yours. i think there is a lack of, obviously, team work here but leadership across the board. where is our president to bring these two parties together and make thing work for the american people? because clearly they're not. >>brian: i tell you what, so far if you put it to the house, if you factor in some republicans whoñi seem to have flipped -- it's up to 19 now. if they put it up for a vote, there are 19 now. senator ted cruz behind closed doors got an ear full from other republicans who said now that we're here, what's the plan? i saw rand paul yesterday and a few others saying i

admit this wasn't the best strategy -- and it wasn't his, by the way -- but this is where we are right now. let's have coffee today at 11:00 and i believe he's buying. >>steve: on the stairs of the capitol. is anybody going to show up? we'll find out. not too far from the capitol is the world war ii memorial. we told you here on this channel about how they wound up, because the national park service extraordinarily closed down the memorial with the shutdown. on tuesday, as you can see, screen right, they stormed the barricades. they got in. then yesterday the white house doubled down and erected more barricades and threatened people they would be arrested if they crossed. however these honor flights did get through nonetheless. but we had a split screen there with benghazi. as it turns out, it looks as if more personnel were sent in to the world war ii memorial to keep people out than the state department actually sent to benghazi by two. they sent five people to

benghazi. the white house sent seven people to make sure that nobody got in to the war memorial. >>elisabeth: who is dangerous to this government? >>brian: it seems the sciu sent out fake protesters to the world war ii memorial. about 20 were there. somebody noticed you guys are wearing mcdonald's shirts. they started asking people what are you doing here? then they asked one how much are you getting paid? about $15. i don't believe someone can get stuck by somebody in a wheelchair. >>steve: during the 19 # # -- the 1995-1996

shutdown, the memorials were kept open. a reporter said this is the first time in history memorials have been closed during the shutdown. clearly the white house wants to send a message and inflict a little pain and they're trying to do that. nonetheless, the veterans yesterday were able to get through, and good for them. >>brian: it is the same strategy they had during the last crisis. maximize the pain. that's what is happening today. make people feel as comfortable as possible. even though there's no federal workers, they also closed some other parks. >>elisabeth: in terms of of what else is happening now, good morning, heather. >> how is everybody today? excellent. we've got sad news to tell you about. a tragedy in tennessee that happened overnight. eight people are now dead after a church bus veered into the wrong side of the interstate and it caused a chain reaction crash. this bus traveling

northbound on i-40 and it was carrying 18 senior citizens when it blew a tire and slammed into a tractor-trailer. >> i've been with the county for the last 21 years and it's been the largest scale accident we've dealt with since i've been here. >> 14 other people were hurt. two of them are now in critical condition. we'll keep watching that. here in the united states illegally, but millions of them will now be allowed to drive legally in the state of california. governor jerry brown is set to sign a new measure into law later today. two other states currently allow illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses: oregon and colorado. the nypd releasing brand-new pictures of the two bikers who are accused of viciously beating a man in front of his wife and toddler child. in a shocking move, prosecutors dropping charges against two of the men arrested in the attack. the one seen bashing the side of the suspect. and the other suspect, a

28-year-old, is still facing charges. he was caught on camera stopping short in front of the s.u.v. you remember this? that is believed to have caused much of this. the government might be shut down but football will still go on. we're hearing official word that saturday's navy air force game will go ahead as planned. that thanks to special commission from the secretary of defense. the army will get to play against boston college. canceling those games would have cost the agencies or us an estimated $4 million. how about that? those are your headlines. it's 11 after. >>elisabeth: good news those games are on. that's one game i actually want both to win. >>steve: very good. speaking of that game, the r.n.c. yesterday said they would be willing to pay to keep the war memorial, world war ii memorial open for one month. 30 days. democrats came out and said that's a dumb idea.

>>brian: coming up. >>steve: vladimir putin negotiating with a terror state like iran. who better to get the peace prize than vladimir. >>elisabeth: stuart varney will break down what the c.r. is, the debt ceil everything in between. hi, stuart. ♪ ♪ ♪ ho ho ho ♪ [ female announcer ] at 100 calories, not all food choices add up. some are giant. some not so giant. when managing your weight, bigger is always better.

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>>brian: the partial government shutdown now is in its third day. >>steve: that's right. between the continuing resolution also known as the c.r. and the upcoming debt ceiling, what does it all mean? and why should we care? >>elisabeth: saoufrbt -- stuart varney is here to make sense of it all.

>> you think i can do that? >>elisabeth: i do. >> i brought a prop. a wad of money not from my wallet. but this is real to me at least. what do you want to know about? >>elisabeth: c.r., what is it? why do we care? >> there is mass confusion. let's deal with c.r., continuing resolution. just for the moment i am uncle sam. make believe, okay. make believe. i want to spend more money, but i can't. i can't spend any more money. we haven't got a budget and i've run up right against the level that i'm allowed to spend. so i want this c.r., continuing resolution, so i can keep on spending money the way i was in the past until we get a budget. steve, i'm spending this money. that's what a c.r. does. it allows me, uncle sam, to keep spending money the way i have been in the past. >>elisabeth: with limit? >> a time limit, yes. >>brian: that would probably be until december.

>> at the moment until december 15, yes. >>steve: that is what a continuing resolution is. and what's the debt ceiling, also around the corner? >> i'm uncle sam. i debt -- i desperately need to borrow some money. >>steve: you're coming after my cash. >> i'm uncle sam. i need to borrow but there's this limit. as you said, elisabeth, it's like a credit card limit. i'm bumping up against that limit to my borrowing power. i need that borrowing power to be extended. i need the debt limit raised, the debt ceiling raised so i can borrow that money back and take it back. >>steve: you would take not only that money but some extra money as well? >> a couple trillion. >>elisabeth: isn't that more like a debt sun roof? >> very good. do we all understand, c.r.: spending money. debt limit, borrowing more money. >>elisabeth: what's the point of the ceiling if we

keep pushing it up? >> that's a very good question, elisabeth. but we do indeed keep pushing it up. >>brian: when the president of the united states says our deficit is not really going up when we're raising the debt ceiling, what is he talking about? he says spending is not going up when we're raising the debt ceiling, i don't know what he's talking about. >> i would contest that point of view. if we raise the debt ceiling, we want to borrow more money. that does indeed add to our total debt. >>brian: which is $17 trillion. annually we're $670 billion over? >> correct. our deficit this year, overspending, is $650 billion. our total debt on the screen, $16.961 trillion and rising fast. >>elisabeth: what does this mean for the average person? what does that mean to me? >> it means that you, your children and your grandchildren will be paying off that debt forever and a day. it will never go away. and the amount you have to pay back, the interest goes up and up and up and up

until all of this is taken up with interest. >>steve: a lot of people may feel like groundhog day because we went through this with the fiscal cliff thing awhile back. what's the stock market going to do later today? we did touch earlier on commented president had. >> the president yesterday said the stock market should be worried about this debt limit. i never heard a president of the united states talk about the stock market quite like that before. >>brian: what the heck is that about? >> my personal opinion, i think he wants the market to go down. that would give him extra leverage to get his way with spending and borrowing. that's my. the market will be down today at the opening bell, down about 40 points, not a big decline. >>brian: why would he sit down with a business channel if he didn't want that to happen? >> that's a good question. my, he wants the market to go down to get leverage. >>steve: brian earlier referred to cnbc as the second most popular business channel.

you work at fox business which is the favorite. and you're going to be kicking off at 9:15 eastern time. >> correcto mundo. >>steve: 20 minutes after the top of the hour. >>brian: looks like the boston bomber isn't getting the rock star treatment in jail. wait till you hear what his lawyer is asking for and what he's crying about. >>steve: a movie about >>steve: a movie about white house down. [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you

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>>steve: quick headlines for you. 24 ph-bts after the top of the hour on this thursday. the commander of iran's cyber warfare program shot dead in an apparent assassination. iran blames israel. five of iran's nuclear scientists have died or disappeared since 2007. the accused boston marathon bomber begging for a break from his time behind bars. attorneys for dzhokhar tsarnaev filed a motion to limit their client's isolation claiming the guy needs more time outside and maybe a tv or a phone. please. good luck. brian? >>brian: tell it to the children he killed. it was a mission made famous by the movie blackhawk down. the brave army ranger who led the rescue mission took

a trip back to somalia, his journey called "return to mogadishu: remembering blackhawk down." jeff joins us from atlanta now. jeff, why did you go back? >> a couple of reasons, brian. one of them is that i really wanted to see the difference in mogadishu. mogadishu is actually worse today than it was 20 years ago. but for another reason. a friend of mine that was in somalia both decided by going back there we would better be able to tell our story of what happened 20 years ago. >> what did the movie miss? >> the movie is exceptionally accurate but it is not nearly as violent as the real deal. it is probably a good thing for anyone who has seen "blackhawk down" you only see a fraction of the violence that happened 20 years ago. >>brian: you said it was bloodier and rawer had you lived through it. here's a section of the documentary.

>> a big fire fight here now. >> i drove down an alleyway next to the target building and made a right turn on to the road. that's where i got hit by a couple of hundred to a thousand enemy fires within a few blocks. >> that's where the the majority of the initial fire fight that i experienced. >> i remember thinking when we were driving back into the city the second or third time, i know i'm going to die but i know where i'm going to experience my eternity. now i need to make sure my men don't die. >>brian: you said one of the big regrets you have is bill clinton said after that, it's not worth it, we're out of here. >> i can't speak for the rest of the guys from task force ranger, but for me that was probably the ultimate slap in the face after having lost so many guys on that night. get told pack your stuff up and leave somalia and we're pulling all u.s. forces

out. >>brian: jeff, i've got another question for you. it's how it changed you afterwards. what happened to you after that moment? >> somalia really changed my life. i thought i would be a ranger sergeant for the rest of my life. as a result of somalia i became an army chaplain and spent the last ten years in the army. >>brian: you went back to afghanistan and iraq multiple times as a chaplain? >> yeah. i had a chance to look guys in the eyes and say i know what you're going through because i've been there and let me tell you the difference that faith ph jesus christ makes when you're in a fire fight. >>brian: and that difference that it makes? it lets you know where you're going to go should you lose your life? >> yeah. one of the reasons why i went back to somalia this spring was to do this documentary which basically said the only reason why i was able to go back and forth in and out of the city streets is because i had a very strong faith in

where -- in jesus christ and i knew where i was going to spend my eternity. >>brian: it's called return to mogadishu: remembering blackhawk down. find it everywhere. jeff struecker, thanks. the government just called the e.p.a. nonessential. how does that work? then, while radio legend casey kasum died of parkinson's, his kids are protesting outside his house. what do they want? [ male announcer ] progresso's so passionate about its new ♪

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people are trying to trim the fat, especially in the e.p.i. they reported 93% of the employees were considered nonessential. of course we ask why are they there in the first place. >>brian: you've got over 16,000 employees in the e.p.a. >>steve: nine out of ten people who work at the e.p.a. are nonessential. if there are that many people who are not necessary to run the government right now, what are they doing? let's take a look at some of the stuff they've accomplished in the last year or so. for instance, free climate change lessons. that was something they were promoting, as you can see right there. plans to bypass congress on global warming. did you miss this one? they had a suggestion that mileage regulations could actually bring cars under $15,000 in costs to an end. >>brian: making history. by the way, it's a very

open way to approach climate change and the debate that surrounds it. gives free climate change chances. >>steve: speaking of free, did you see the story -- i'm tapping your chair there. did you see the story that in tennessee one of the big co-ops, if you sign up for obamacare, they'll give you a smart phone? if you want a smart phone, sign up for health insurance. and the health insurance plan actually includes unlimited minutes and a fancy phone as well. >>elisabeth: they're really trying. if they're bribing people with a phone, you know -- >>steve: heather has more on that, i understand. >> that's right. speaking of free and speaking of bribing, here is one way to get folks to sign up for obamacare. bribe them with a smart phone. the obamacare health insurance co-op in tennessee is offering a free phone to encourage people to enroll in the program. the company says the idea

is to make it easier for patients and providers to stay connected. of course we need that, don't we? we should also mention this company got a federal loan of more than $73 million. oh boy. another story to bring you now. legendary radio host casey kasem at the center of a family feud. >> welcome to america's top ten. >> casey's kids are protesting outside his california home right now. they were banned from visiting their father who is dying. kasem is 81 years old and reportedly suffers from parkinson's disease. his wife, the kids' step mom has been accused of shutting him out. >> there he is, vladimir putin, a hand full of reporters nominated the russian president for the nobel peace prize. they say he prevented an airstrike in syria by the u.s.

putin will have stiff competition. more than 250 candidates have been nominated. the prize will be awarded next week. never mind that fact that they provided a whole bunch of weapons to syria to help keep them going there. that's it for now. >>steve: small print. >> see you guys in about a half an hour. >>elisabeth: maria, good to see you this morning. you've got updates for us as well? >> good morning. we want to show you the northern light because we have incredible video. you can see right here across parts of minnesota. that was yesterday. how beautiful is that? that's the aurora borealis or the northern lights. the bright colors of green and red lighting up the sky. this whole week actually, the whole thing captured on camera. very rare. typically usually happens in alaska or parts of canada. it is charged particles from the sun entering the earth's atmosphere getting trapped colliding with gases in the earth's atmosphere and that is what produces those colors. the color red is more

common than the color green. very cool stuff. feel free to send me on assignment any day to check out the aurora borealis. just want to drop that in there. let's head to the tropics because it is still hurricane season. showers and thunderstorms exiting parts of the caribbean and the national hurricane center is tracking the low-pressure system and giving it about an 80% chance of it becoming our next named system. if it does get named, its name would be karen. the storm system is taken over parts of mexico and parts of the central gulf coast as we head into this weekend or early next week. it is not forecast to intensify much. the main concern being areas of heavy rain. across parts of the rockies, we have a winter storm we're tracking. one to two feet of snow is forecast and a lot of wind. over to brian. >>brian: 23 minutes before the top of the hour. let's talk playoff baseball. won and done. the rays against the indians, miraculous second

half of the season. wild card round. rays up 1-0. desmond jennings two run double. rays increase 3-0. tampa wins 4-nil. they face boston in the american league division series. players fight all the time in the n.h.l., but coaches? what's happened to us? colorado avalanche coach in his first game as n.h.l. head coach getting fired up without protective equipment for the first time. probably would have gotten into a shoving match with the ducks coach if not for the partition.

after the game, he said he was upset about a player hitting one of his men. the avalanche won the game by a score of 6-1. my favorite sport, cheerleading. if you ever question cheerleading as a sport, watch this. this is something that happens the day after the championship. hundreds of cheerleaders swarm daytona beach doing tricks that boggle the mind. it might make you wonder if your morning jog is enough to get it done. i think they are miraculous athletes. i just don't think it is a sport. >>elisabeth: look at that athleticism. >>brian: but there is no competition. coming up at 9 and noon,

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a a >>elisabeth: welcome back. time for quick headlines. after 17 months of calling into the studio from home, robin has returned to howard stern's sirius xm

radio show for the first time since beating cancer. women, are you having fertilety problems? don't skip breakfast. a study says women who start their day with a big breakfast limit their chances of getting pregnant. >>brian: that's what you do in the morning. >>elisabeth: load up on the calories. >>steve: america's bravest proving unstoppable for the second day in a row. world war ii vets made their way to the world war ii memorial in washington, d.c. despite being kept out by government barricades. >>elisabeth: the government initially said keeping the memorial open for vets wasn't, quote, essential. but apparently spying on them is. the n.s.a. and its domestic surveillance operations are not likely to be affected by the shutdown. >>elisabeth: fox senior analyst judge andrew napolitano is here. >> this is more than just a human interest story of the greatest generation, my father's generation, who fought in the navy in world war ii, going to visit the

memorial for their comrades who died and what they did. this is an example of how the executive branch, the president, has the upper hand in a situation like this because the president can decide with the little money that he has what he's going to keep open and what he's going to close. he can increase the pain on the american public or he can decrease the pain. as stuart varney said a few minutes ago and i entirely agree with him, the president wants the market to go down and he wanted this shutdown. that's why he refuses to negotiate with the republicans, because he thinks it will help him politically. he doesn't care who suffers. he caved on the veterans. look at them. they're so sympathetic. the reason we have freedom today is because of that generation. how could he not let those guys in the wheelchairs -- >>elisabeth: was he betting they wouldn't show up? >> yes. you know what caused him to cave? a bunch of congressmen came, young male members of congress and physically moved the barricades out of the way while the rangers stood by like that. >>steve: you know what's

extraordinary? i was reading in the daily caller in past shutdowns war memorials were never ever closed. they were never barricaded. this goes to your point that perhaps this president is trying to exact a little pain. you look at those veterans. to prove his point that they need to -- the republicans need to sign off on this plan. >> talk about the pain with the sequester. we lived through it. we'll live through this. they'll eventually reach compromise. he tkphots have the right to -- he does not have the right to increase pain. he actually has the legal right. does he have the moral right? >>brian: the federal government does have the ability to go back to full strength because there is an act out there. if chuck hale continues to say i need my civilians. >> chuck hagel has a lot authority but can only exercise it if the president lets him. while all of this is going

on the n.s.a. is collecting our credit information, banking information and our utility bills. >>brian: i believe they paid off my balance. >> that would be nice. they want to know everything about us and it is dangerous if they know everything about us. the constitution was written to protect that. >>steve: judge napolitano thank you very much. >>brian: coming up next from somewhere in this studio, remember when president obama said if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. but is that really true? dr. marc siegel will separate fact from fiction. >>elisabeth: does your wife talk in her sleep? there may be a positive side to that. a brand-new app that can reveal a whole lot about your health. >>brian: talk into this app, honey. ♪ ♪ ♪ all right, let's go ♪ shimmy, shimmy chocolate

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it's a parent's best friend when it comes to really nailing down some symptoms that your child might be going through. >> steve: so when you're at home, you type in runny nose, whatever? >> fever, and you would then come up with some symptoms. what you want to do is when you get in to see the doctor is say, this is what this came up with. what do you think? start that relationship with going to your physician and actually having the physician engage with your technology. 'cause then they won't be intimidated by it and keeps you also as an advocate for your family. >> elisabeth: sure, especially if you have more than one kid. >> this is awesome. this is another app that's free called the drugs.com medication guide. you download this. you put it on your phone or ipad and what you end up with is you list all the medications you're taking and your family. you're prescribed a new medication, you put that in and a red flag might come up and say wait, that's going to have pretty ugly side effects with the other drugs you're taking.

>> elisabeth: how great for the care givers, too. there are a lot of people taking care of parents or grandparents. this could keep them on track. >> exactly. such a great, great other use for that as well. then this thing i love. this one is simple. right here this is so cool. now, let's say you have a chronic health issue or let's say that you just aren't feeling right or you're one of those worrywarts. this right here is called simple. it's free to download. you write in all the symptoms you're feeling in life. >> steve: abdominal pain, anxiety. >> right. then you put in the severity of how you're feeling. then you might also put in the factor of what might be going on. like let's say you didn't sleep that night, so you want to put that in. at the end of the day you end up with something so brilliant, you take this to your doctor -- let me get it geared up here. this is so, so awesome. you walk in the doctor's office. you hit doctor's report.

and you end up being able to pass over to the doctor, here is what's been going on in my life for the last month. doctor, why did i feel this way? now, this is the kind of data that your doctor can never get from you because we can't remember everything that's going on of the but this may actually tell of a diagnosis that we've never even thought about because the doctor can now see this data that is so clear of what's actually going on in your life. >> steve: who needs okay when we get a smart phone? >> elisabeth: exactly. you have another one that's interesting. a pocket first aid app. >> visual anatomy light, this is just amazing. you can get into organs and into any parts of the body. >> steve: which part muscle on my face is hurting? >> yeah. that is steve before make-up. >> elisabeth: it is fascinating. >> again, with your physician what, are you talking about?

you can drive into the areas -- >> steve: it's that cord right there. >> yeah, this is why he doesn't listen to you. then also take a look at this. pocket first aid and cpr, this one will cost about 1.99. but it sounds ridiculous, but someone is having a heart attack, what do you do? you don't know cpr, the app could actually be a quick stop to get that, or if somebody is choking, it actually has a video. take a look at this video. >> behind him, wrap your arms around him so your hands are in front. make a fist with one hand. put the thumb side of your fist slightly above his belly button and well below the breast bone. grasp the fist with your other hand and give quick upward thrusts into his belly. give thrusts. >> elisabeth: that's a life saver right there. >> last night we were at dinner and yesterday someone was choking in the room. did they use the app? no. somebody knew it.

but if you don't know, it does make sense to stop for a second and rescue the person. >> elisabeth: or look ahead of time. >> exactly. last thing here to show you, this is a cool app. this is the number one most downloaded medical app right now. it's out of sweden and it's very, very cool way of looking at your sleep. it's called sleep talk. so on here you put this by your bed at night. it records when it hears you snoring. >> steve: are you kidding? >> like whether or not you might be talking in the middle of the night. look at some of the recordings that make the top list of the whackiest ones. >> popcorn in the fern. >> steve: okay. that's somebody talking. >> it's so fluffy. then the drummer drumming stuff. >> steve: thank you very much. those are great apps. we'll have them on our web site. >> great to see you guys. >> steve: thank you very much. >> elisabeth: love that. coming up, having trouble

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luck. >> toss some salt over your right shoulder. >> steve: not the shaker. the science behind why superstitions like that actually work. like opening up an umbrella in a building, not going to do it. "fox & friends" hour two starts right now. >> steve: i guess i am a little superstitious. >> elisabeth: i know, because you wouldn't open the umbrella. >> brian: how do you dry it if you don't open it? >> steve: not worried about that. i won't walk under an umbrella and if a black cat walks by, even though i don't believe in that stuff. there is some science to all that stuff coming up. also, how do you take great pictures not with a big fancy camera, but with your smart phone? >> elisabeth: because more people are -- you see more phones out taking photos than the big cameras now. >> brian: fred thompson will be here to talk about that.

in addition to that, 'cause does he have a smart phone, he worked with tom clancy because he was one of the stars in "hunt for red october." >> steve: tom clancy died yesterday of a very short illness in duration in baltimore. so we'll talk a little bit with him about that. a very busy day. >> brian: unbelievable. he wrote fiction and a lot of things he wrote actually came true later in this book. that's how tapped in he was with the military. >> steve: speaking of tapped in, another fox news alert out of washington as we enter day three of the partial government senate showdown. still no deal in sight. congressional leaders were talking at the white house late last night. however, president obama says he still won't negotiate. doug mckelway is tapped in and he's at the capitol with the latest. doug? >> good morning to you. yeah. as this shutdown enters the third day, we're seeing very, very few signs of progress and a lot of signs of hardened positions and frayed nerves. take, for example, this tirade by california democrat george

miller on the house floor last night as he repeatedly referred to republicans as jihaddists. >> the president reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate. we've got divided government. democrats control the white house and the senate. republicans control the house. we sent four different proposals over to our democrat colleagues in the senate. they rejected all of them. >> what the speaker has to accept is yes for an answer. he said that he wanted to go to conference. he sent us something from the house that he wanted to go to conference. so i thought that we were throwing him a life line. >> sorry. we missed the george miller bite there, but you get the gist of what happened at the white house last night. that life line that senator majority leader reid threw out was an offer earlier in the afternoon to go to conference

with house republicans if the house republicans were willing to accept a clean cr. that in turn prompted this response from boehner's spokesman. he said, and i quote, offer to negotiate only after democrats get everything they want is not much of an offer. and now the second fiscal crisis approaches, that being the debt ceiling, we hit it on october 17. the failure to raise it or come to some kind of agreement on that promises to hurt the economy very much more than what we're seeing through this government stoppage right now. i suggest, guys, a new proposal, we bring back dueling. that would help solve the problem. >> steve: lee hawkin is across the street. we know what happened there. thank you very much. >> elisabeth: thanks. we know you know what's going on in washington. but are you having trouble seeing eye to eye with your friends? blame the main stream media. check this out. according to the media research

center, network evening news stories over the last two weeks have blamed the gop 21 times and blamed democrats none. zero. >> steve: you know what? and when you think about it, this just follows a pattern with this administration. the president knew if he took a particular stand where i'm not going to negotiate with republicans at all and then the main stream media would go ahead and blame the republicans, they've been doing that, according to the media research center, blamed the republicans 21 times. blamed both sides four times. and blamed democrats zero times. the reason i mentioned they blamed on the newscasts both four times is finally the daily news is catching up. >> elisabeth: yeah. today we were looking at it right here. they didn't single out the president, of course, 'cause he's only in charge. but they do couple him up here in the three stooges. we've got reid, boehner and our

president. >> brian: day one was house of turds. the next day was boehner, look what you've done to the government, what have you done for your nation? and now you have to wonder what role the media is play not guilty keeping this going because the republicans are saying we got our side and the democrats say we got our side. and we got the networks. 44% blame republicans for the impasse. 33% blame the president. but it's trending closer and closer despite the landslide of media bias. >> steve: i think part of it is the fact that people are starting to realize that the president keeps saying no, no, no. and the republicans are saying okay, you're saying no, but how about if we do this? how about if we open the parks? how about if we give money to the iah or the district of columbia or the vets? i think people are getting the message. but you know what? you're getting it through fox, you're getting it through talk radio, through the internet, main stream media, though, continues to beat the drum of

those darn republicans. that openedng this. the door for that is the seemingly fracture within the party. they all want -- seem to want obamacare gone. but the way they went about it is separated, whether it was senator mccain, peter king, so-called moderates are saying, i don't agree with what ted cruz and others are doing, so that was the opening, i believe, for the media to run with that and say look, they can't even get along. their objective is the same. their strategy is the only thing that's different. >> elisabeth: others would argue, would we even be talking about this as a nation if it weren't for ted cruz being such a voice out there? speaking of the media, many say that obamacare is a success, just look at the dysfunctional web site to prove it! look at crashing so many people are flooding it. >> brian: you're saying instead of people focusing on the fact that no one can get in and worried about their personal information leaking, they're saying look at the interest! >> elisabeth: right. it's a draw.

>> steve: it's the same thing as what we were talking about with the blame up on capitol hill for the shutdown. blame the republicans. the associated press is spinning it this way, you know, the white house calls them glitches, but they're really gigantic crashes. they say on-line delays signal strong demand for health care. okay. >> elisabeth: it should say corporations in fear of what's going to happen. they actually are releasing hours of their employees so they're not full time. >> brian: the second headline says obamacare stays swamp sad and others spin p positive as if it's a newsletter and not a newspaper. >> steve: it's interesting. in louisiana, blue cross blue shield got zero enrollees the first day. zero. they spent $60 million preparing for the rollout and people wanted information, but they did not sell a single policy. >> elisabeth: i didn't hear that in the papers today. >> steve: you're not going to find it in that one. oh, yeah, we said it.

that's why you watch. >> brian: we know hoda will start their brilliant column soon. >> steve: good to know. who needs them? we got her. >> good morning to you. 8 minutes after the hour. tragedy in tennessee happening overnight. eight people are dead this morning after a church bus veered onto the wrong side of the road, causing a chain reaction crash. the bus traveling northbound on i 40 and it was carrying 18 senior citizens when it blew a tire. >> i've been with the county for the last 21 years. this has been the largest fatal accident we've belt with since i've been here. >> 14 other people were hurt in that accident. two of them are now in critical condition. they are in the united states illegally, but millions of those illegal immigrants will now be allowed to drive legally in the state of california. governor jerry brown is set to sign this measure into law later today. two other states currently allow them to get driver's licenses, oregon and colorado.

the nypd releasing these new pictures of two bikers who have been accused of viciously beating a man in front of his wife and his toddler daughter. in a shock move, prosecutors dropping charges against one of the two men who had been arrested in the attacks. the one seen bashing the side of the suv. you can see it right here. the other suspect is 28-year-old christopher cruz and he is still facing charges. he was caught on camera stopping short in front of the range rover, we saw this in the video. police are still looking for other suspects and we'll keep watching that one for you. those are your headlines at this hour. >> steve: thank you. are you superstitious? earlier we were talking about how i to this day will not open an umbrella. >> elisabeth: what if somebody else does it? >> brian: i will not carry a black cat under a ladder. >> elisabeth: if i open this, it will bother you? >> steve: superstition says you'll is bad luck. >> elisabeth: i don't believe

it. >> steve: not for me. >> brian: you may poke out her eyes. >> steve: suddenly, there are problems. you know what? the university of chicago did a study and what they realized is that superstitions -- which stevie wonder is singing about -- could actually work because when you are superstitious, that creates a sense that the bad luck is driven away. so in other words, if i avoid a black cat or walking under a ladder -- >> elisabeth: or this. >> steve: good luck. i'm having a good day. you're not. >> brian: what about if you knock on wood? that also helps, right? >> steve: show me some wood. there is wood. >> elisabeth: are you superstitious? >> brian: i was thrown for a second. laminate, steve. looks like wood. not that i would know. what i'm trying to say is it's

all a mindset. but i can't tell you how many intelligent people with ivy league degree also say yeah, so far it hasn't rained this week, knock on wood. so it's all a mindset. everything is in your control. >> steve: because you feel like if i avoid it, then i'm protected in a weird way. >> brian: what about baseball players? they do not walk over the line. >> elisabeth: no. but basically it's creating the sense that you're in control, that you've already done something to avoid anything bad happening. so you're in this pseudo positive mindset, i guess. >> brian: i knew for the longest time, i wear one pair of underwear all week. >> elisabeth: wow, that explains a lot. >> steve: the weird thing is, they say tuesday. e-mail us, are you superstitious? let us know. meanwhile coming up, they look and sound just like legitimate protesters. but turns out those people apparently fake, brought in by a big union. we'll play the tape and tell you how much they got paid. >> elisabeth: that's right.

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>> steve: the obamacare insurance exchanges are off to a rocky start, to say the least, as you can see right there. there's a lot of misconceptions out there as patients try to navigate the waters. good luck. here to separate myth from fact about the insurance exchanges, fox news medical a team, dr. mark siegle.

good morning to you. >> not a walk in the park, steve. >> steve: no, it's not. your father is proof, right? >> he checked for two days trying to get on-line for the new york state exchanges. just to show that i've been right about everything and he can not get on-line. >> steve: they say there are just some kinks they're working out. let's separate from fact from myth. first of all, factor or myth? you'll qualify instantly for a federal subsidy if you go on-line? >> that's absolutely a myth. in 2016, by the way, you can't even get the medicaid expansion that was promised to you by the president because the states haven't approved it. even if you get approved, and even if you calculate you get a subsidy from the federal government, that you're going to get a tax rebate and it will be advancable, it wouldn't be in place 'til january 1. so god forbid you had a heart attack now and you're on the way to the hospital and you're not covered, period, you'll get hit with a stiff bill! you're not going to get the subsidy. you won't even have the policy. >> steve: the president said that he was going to bends the cost curve down. so is this fact or myth? premiums will be lower than expected? >> i think that's totally a myth.

steve, the hhs has been saying, well, the premiums will be lower. they'll be lower. maybe the more they announce that, the more it will happen. but when you add preexisting conditions to the bill and you cover everybody up to the age of 26, one thing is for sure, plenty of people's premiums will go up. premiums have been rising 10% a year as it is now. if you're under 26, if you don't have 17 medical problems, guarantees your premiums are going up. >> steve: another thing is if you like your doctor, you can keep him. is that a fact or myth? >> myth. we're finding out now that a lot of the policies on the state exchanges are going to restrict your network. >> steve: which includes the hospital? >> right. many of the hospitals are not participating, many of the doctors are not participating. many doctors are joining hospital groups now with salaried employees. but that hospital may not take the obamacare insurance. ucla is not taking many of the obamacare insurances. best hospital in california. all overt country you're going to have to check now to see if your doctor will take what your

new insurance is. >> steve: my wife went to the doctor a couple days ago and asked whether or not he was going to take it, nope. absolutely not. meanwhile, finally, most patients will not use the exchanges. fact or myth? >> that's actually a fact 'cause with all we're talking about the exchanges, i want people out there to know that over 160 million people are still getting their insurance. not from the exchanges, but from their employer. you know what? that insurance you is in trouble, too. as we've talked about, highly regulated. you may be dropped to part-time. you may lose that insurance and have to go to the exchange. there is a lot of regulations coming down the pike this year. 27 of them with obamacare that will apply to you if you're getting it through your employer. you better check to see if your employer is keeping his insurance. >> steve: dr. mark siegle making a studio call. thank you very much. >> gray skies today. >> steve: it is kind of gray. like magic 8 ball. ask again later. >> exactly. >> steve: up next, this guy, an alleged drug kingpin running a

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>> brian: time for news by the numbers. $1 billion. that's how much joel has coming in today in singles. that's also how much money a black market web site made before the government shutdown made while it was up.

russ obrick accused of running the site which sold everything from drugs to hitmen. $6.6 million. that's how much questionable spending was done by the department of energy's hydrogen and fuel cells program. that according to a new audit. the money went towards reimbursements for companies who subcontracted with family members and charged food and alcohol on the taxpayers' dime. finally, three years. that's how long it took for a tea party group to finally get tax exempt status. the group, teaparty.net was awarded the status on monday, now that the election has been over for a year. elisabeth? >> elisabeth: thanks. so now adays, everyone is a photographer and snapping pictures on smart phones and instantly uploading is common. but should you always rely on your cell phone? matt says maybe not. he's the president of unique photo in new jersey. so you actually brought three examples of when right now you would typically take something on a smart phone, when you may

want to consider using a real camera. >> i think one of the issues is that people like the convenience of just carrying around a cell phone with them. there are certain times when you can't really capture the image or you can't capture what you want with a cell phone and you need a better camera. >> elisabeth: you have a camera here if something happens. >> that's right. one of the things people say, i'm a camera store owner, and you want everybody to carry a camera, but we also have a mobil store and we sell mobile devices. we'll have a grand opening this weekend. we're excited about both devices. we think both are good. >> elisabeth: you say guys take a lot of pictures of cars. i didn't realize that. makes sense. this picture was taken by a smart phone, but this -- >> right. this was taken with this camera, which is a pretty basic point and shoot camera. this is also a -- you can zoom in on the subject. you can get much more clear picture of the car. here, looks like an orange car, it's hard to see what it is.

guys love this. you're walking down the street, you see a car driving by you want to snap a picture. you're not really going to get it with a cell phone. >> elisabeth: we take pictures of shoes and kids. >> this is a samsung galaxy camera and has a full android operating system on it. you can check your e-mail, it's connected to the internet and high quality camera. upload your picture right away. >> elisabeth: birthday. this is a debate. one gets the real camera, one gets the camera. here is the iphone. >> this was taken with an iphone. >> elisabeth: right, you get the moment. >> but you can see the young girl. you can see her. she's basically lit well. but you don't really get a good image of the family. i think the family is important. you can see how much better an image you get with a regular camera. i think we'd rather have that as a memory of a birthday. it's so easy. >> elisabeth: sporting events with a smart phone. >> right. and how many times have we been to high school football games or soccer games and people are standing there with their cell phones and they'll get a picture that looks like that.

>> elisabeth: that blur is my son! >> right. in this picture, you can eliminate and zoom, eliminate the chopping part, golf cart. you can defocus the background. so you can actually see the faces of the people in the picture. you really want to do that. that's a memory of your son. >> elisabeth: this is something that everyone can do. >> that's right. a basic dslr with a lens will allow you to do that. >> elisabeth: thank you. how to be smarter with our pictures. coming up, they look and sound like the real protesters, but turns out they were fake, brought in by big union, we think. we'll play that videotape for you. then it looks like the boston bomber is not getting the rock star treatment in jail. wait until you hear what his lawyer is asking for [ horn honks ]

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>> you know something, harry reid held a press conference today where he talked about his phone call with john boehner. let me show you the first part of it. look here. >> just finished a telephone conversation with speaker boehner. >> a telephonic conversation? i'm surprised he doesn't go like this, hello, gladys? give me murray hill 1919. [ laughter ] >> steve: probably when harry was young, they talked like that. >> elisabeth: i just love the

late night comedians 'cause they can't avoid this anymore and they're going for it. >> brian: jay leno is in an interesting spot because he's saying good-bye as the number one guy and i think on many levels, he doesn't get it, where he's going and why he's going and he's letting everything fly. >> steve: he's very funny. i hope he goes to fox or something like that. do we have an opening? >> brian: how many cars can he tool around with? >> elisabeth: we need him. >> steve: he will continue to be the king of late night. meanwhile, the queen of headlines is here. >> let's bring him to fox, wouldn't that be nice? >> steve: do we have an opening? >> elisabeth: always an opening. >> i think your salary is eating it up. i have some headlines. out of boston, the accused boston marathon bomber is begging for a break from time behind bars. listen to this, attorneys for dzhokhar tsarnaev filed a motion to limit their client's isolation, claiming that he needs more time outside and possibly access to a television

or a phone. that april attack left three people dead and more than 200 others hurt. caught on camera, school bus drivers running stop signs. look at this. parents in maryland say they complained to school officials because these buses were constantly not stopping, but then nothing was done. what did the parents do? they filmed it and then posted it onyoutube. >> if you get blasted with kids on the bus, that could be a serious problem, not only for those walking, but those on the bus as well. >> families say that video was released. well, the buses are now stopping again. how mad would you be if you were one of those parents? oh, boy. need to buy a special seatbelt for your dog? crash test dog dummies could help make that a reality. the car company is working with center for pet safety to roll out these safety belts. so far they've only had limited success. full results of the crash test should be done by the end of the

week. i can't imagine that peta likes that. they found federal employees proceed testing, but turns out they were fake brought in by the seiu union. take a look at this. >> you say you're a federal worker, where is your federal i.d.? you work at mcdonald's! you're not off work! how much did you get paid to come! how much! >> fifteen dollars. >> okay there, we go. >> elisabeth: those fake protesters were caught on camera outside the world war ii memorial. we need to send jesse watters out there. >> steve: thank you very much. what genius hired that guy? the blabber mouth guy from mcdonald's? he wears the shirt and spills the beans. >> brian: he probably works at dunkin' donuts and told to wear a disguise. >> elisabeth: but he fessed up. fifteen dollars. >> steve: out on the streets, i see you waving with your blue

dress. hello, maria. >> hello. let's get to the weather conditions across the country because we've got a loft weather going on. i want to start across parts of the tropics because in western parts of the caribbean, we are tracking an area of low pressure that's starting to creep into the gulf of mexico and this storm system is intensifying. the national weather center is giving it a 50% chance of becoming a tropical storm. it's forecast to continue moving generally across parts of the gulf of mexico, very warm water out here. the winds are relatively weak. so that does mean this storm system could intensify, not significant intenseification is forecast. it will remain relatively weak, but a lot of rain could impact the gulf coast over the next several days. otherwise across the rockies, we have another storm system. this one could produce one to two feet of snow and also looking at gusts of up to 40 miles an hour possible. today and tomorrow on the warm side of that same storm system, parts of the plains and midwest could be hit with severe

weather, damaging winds, large hail and tornadoes will be the main concern. let's head back inside. >> brian: yeah, hail and tornadoes still a concern. i'll back you up on that. thanks so much. come on inside. rays and indians, playoff baseball. one win, one loss. you're either through or out. let's pick it up from the top of the fourth inning. both squads had tremendous seasons. jennings, two run double. that put it out of reach. 3-0, the rays win 4-0. face it, it's now all indians had a great year. the crew will go home. next up for tampa, boston in the alds. the 49ers safety changing his name as part of a campaign to protest the $21,000 fine he earned for a hit on st. louis rams wide receiver thursday night. he confirmed the name change on twitter. it's official, the w is being removed from my last name because hitner is known to

hitner. she's no stranger to sports illustrated. kate upton is ditching the bikini, gracing the cover in uniform. picked for the october issue to pose with atlanta braves player b.j. and justin upton. kate proving she really does look great in anything. >> elisabeth: which is true. >> steve: there she is in uniform. >> brian: she's dating somebody famous. who is she dating now? >> elisabeth: i don't keep track. >> brian: you know, john. you follow people magazine. >> yeah, i don't know. >> brian: the guy from "dancing with the stars." what's his name? maxim? >> yeah. >> brian: he's coming on the show in a few days. you guys are no help! i have no co-host, i'm getting it from here! you're not even trying. >> steve: we don't know the answer! here is something that you will be interested in. in the new sci-fi movie called "gravity," sandra bullock and george clooney play astronauts whose mission to space goes

terribly wrong, putting them in a race against time to make it back to earth alive. look at this. >> hit hard, grab ahold of anything you can! >> what do i do! what do i do! >> steve: another good reason not to become an astronaut. [ laughter ] >> elisabeth: michael caught up with the stars. we're going to step right into the spotlight. >> steve: that looks so good! >> elisabeth: out of this world! >> i can't wait to see it yet. i'm seeing it tomorrow night. from a critic, this movie made its way into the oscar conversation. critics are calling it a technical masterpiece, and the most essential movie to see in 3d since "avatar."

a very difficult shoot. is it stars sandra bullock and what's his name? george clooney. >> steve: isn't he dating kate upton? [ laughter ] >> i don't know, brian. is he? >> brian: i'm not even helping you guys. >> elisabeth: what a combo, though. >> america's sweethearts and america's most famous bachelor. we asked them what was the toughest part of making this movie. this is what they had to say. >> working with sandy, obviously, has all the downfalls. she drinks a lot, as you know. >> working with george. he's unprofessional. he's unkind. he's ugly. inside and out. he has no respect for me whatsoever. so that environment was a hostile, hostile working environment. [ laughter ] >> of course they were very, very good friends. i think they needed a third friend. i'm volunteering. people are saying not since kubrick has there been a movie like this. but in spite of all that, the

director will never do another movie like this. this is why. >> on location to shoot it, i would never do something like this again. >> was it that tough? >> it was long. it was 4 1/2 years. it was long. it was great. but now that's over, i'm happy and i'm very proud of the film. >> brian: 4 1/2 years to do a movie? >> they shot all the animation in the first year, then did some of the live action sequences and had to redo all the animation. it was a real process. >> steve: i heard they waited for the invention of a special software and that took an extra year. >> yeah. it opens up nationwide tomorrow. you can watch our interviews in the foxlight.com. >> brian: basically all i'm seeing is two people float not guilty space. how hard is that? just two people floating around. >> steve: but it looks real. >> brian: it looks like the galaxy is right in front of us. [ laughter ]

>> steve: good job on that exclusive, who knew that sandra bullock was a big drinker. >> who knew. we're breaking it here first. >> steve: thank you very much. coming up, there seems to be no end in sight for the government shutdown. so how will it end? former senator fred thompson was in washington last time it happened. his perspective when he joins us live. he's in the green room. good morning to you, fred. >> brian: plus, also look who else is hanging out in the green room. each week we bring you five companies that are hiring. well, now meet a man who watched and got hired. >> steve: all right! >> brian: he's got a soccer connection. this former goalie and cheryl casone to tell us more ♪ ho ho ho [ female announcer ] at 100 calories, not all food choices add up. some are giant. some not so giant. when managing your weight,

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>> steve: headlines. remember that southwest jet that slammed into the runway, collapsing the nose gear back in july here in new york city? well, that pilot is out of work, fired. 16 people were hurt when the plane came down hard at la guardia airport. and a close call for a bicyclist in england. the woman comes within inches of being hit by a high speed train. she reportedly ignored the safety barriers. don't do that. cheryl casone, over to you and a guest with you. >> all right. thank you so much. we all know that it's tough out there to get a job, especially for new graduates. the current unemployment rate for them, 10.6%. staggering numbers. some companies are hiring. i got the proof right next to me. soccer shots founder, ceo jason webb, newly hired assistants. james. i got to start with you. you were watching "fox & friends" may 14, 2013 with your parents. steve and i were talking about soccer shots and you said, i'm going for it.

>> yeah. i graduated college. i was working in finance for a while. i decided i really wanted to enjoy what i was doing. i moved back in with my parents, quit my job. was watching "fox & friends" with them and saw a thing about soccer shots. i previously had no idea what it was. i wasted in time in giving them a call. >> but you played in college. >> i did. >> soccer was in your blood and you worked in finance and couldn't stand it. >> yeah. soccer has been my passion since very young. it's been awesome. >> you're in michigan how and now you've got the job. you said this guy is perfect for my company. what was it about him, being so young right out of school, you know, limited amount of job experience, what was it about him? >> we're looking for people that are passionate, that are driven that, want to make an impact in their communities. we have an opportunity to work

with little kids, introducing them to socker and teaching them core character development lessons and james is just one of those guys. obviously played soccer at a high level, loves kids, wants to make an impact in a community and is highly driven. that's what soccer shots is looking for. >> james, this is a full-time job for you? >> yes, it is. >> i know the salary range, there is a loft grads looking for work. james, tell me overall about looking for a job. when getting ready to graduate and right after that. is it a frustrating process for you? >> yes, it was. i think a lot of recent college grads, especially in today's age, they really don't know what they want to do right when they get out. being able to fall into something like soccer was actually just pretty awesome. >> i want to let everybody know, jason, there are more jobs at soccer shots. you've got 200 jobs open right now? >> there are jobs in almost every market in the country where soccer shots is. if you're interested in being a part-time soccer coach, a full time director or assistants

director, go to soccersshots.com. in almost every area, they're look. >> steve, there you go. we were talking about soccer shots. now somebody got a job from that. >> steve: fantastic. still ahead, no deal in sight and now the head of national intelligence says americans are not safe because of the shutdown. we're going to show you what happens when we asked the white house about that. and he went from washington to broadway. former tennessee senator fred thompson is here to tell us about his latest big gig. look, he brought elisabeth some coffee. ♪ [ male announcer ] even ragu users a. chose prego homestyle alfredo over ragu classic alfredo. prego alfredo?!

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>> elisabeth: welcome back. the shutdown continues into its third day. there is still no deal in sight. how will this budget battle end? we're going to ask someone who was there for the last shutdown. joining us now is former presidential candidate and tennessee senator fred thompson. welcome. >> thank you. >> brian: first, let's talk about your main gig now. you're in new york city not only to see us and see elisabeth in person, but you have a job. >> yeah, amazingly. >> brian: on broadway! >> yeah. we're doing a john grisham from his first book "a time to kill." it's a wonderful adaptation. of course, i was a country lawyer in tennessee when i was a country lawyer a little later in mississippi. so these characters and all are familiar to me. and i play the judge, judge

noose. they wanted know look like a judge noose. we're having a lot of fun. it's my first time on broadway and enjoying it. >> elisabeth: do you get nervous? >> well, nervous is -- there is always a certain amount of tension in anything you do, which is good. i'm just having to get used to speaking to the back row. >> brian: right, couple of times a day soon, right? >> well, more than that. and preparation. we're in preparation right now. audiences are coming in. opening october 20. it's different kinds of muscles, but wonderful cast and a great story. i'm a gig fan. >> steve: if folks are coming to new york city, check it out. sad news yesterday, somebody you had worked with in the past, tom clancy, 66 years old, wrote "hunt for red october," which you starred in. >> well, that might be stretching it a little.

>> brian: you were one of the stars. >> it was my favorite part, i guess. it was my favorite movie, i'll put it that way -- that i was in. yeah. i got acquainted with tom, who was a genius. i did not realize that he was in bad health. howard baker always thought he must have inside information. >> brian: so authentic. >> no one can write with this much authenticity and not be one of the boys, you know. but he's just brilliant in what he did. insurance guy, decided he would write. john grisham, a lawyer, and compiled 900 pages of manuscript that they weedled down into a book part-time. some people just have that knack. >> brian: let's talk about something less important but very impactful, the shutdown in washington. who do you blame on this?

>> i have traveled a long distance to get away from all of that. [ laughter ] >> brian: i dragged you back. >> here is my read on that, i think what's going on right now is not terribly important. makes for a lot of good news, who is out of work and which government employee also have a few holidays and get their pay back later, which will happen. and a few things close down, it's unfortunate, but what concerns me is the reason that we have the acountry phony that we have and will continue to have on the debt ceiling debate that. is we've got $17 trillion debt. americans are look at england -- not england, but continental europe and they're look at our cities here and they're look at their children, their grandchildren, realizing that we're looking at a legacy of debt and dependency. so people are responding to that. not always in a perfect way, but

they're responding to that and since something different has got to be done, business is not working, clean cr is not written in the constitution anywhere and so they're kicking up their heels, tactically, politically, i don't know. i can see both sides of it. >> brian: do you think the president should be asserting more leadership regardless of his opinion? >> of course, of course. he sees a narrow, short-term political advantage in this, you know, tries to keep the veterans off the lawn, you know, and then he embraces them. whatever works at the moment is what they're doing. the polls show that the president is slightly ahead of the republicans, but not by much. you know, he's playing off that all he can and the republicans are kick up their heels. spending bills begin in the house of representatives. they have a legitimate voice in this process. >> steve: you've got a legitimate voice on broadway. check him out on broadway,

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>> steve: adorable. >> brian: i don't mind sharing the screen with those puppies. that is putin. he's been nominated for the nobel peace prize. he hasn't won it yet. "fox & friends" starts now. >> brian: who would think a guy that worshiped stalin would be up for the nobel peace prize? what's going on? >> steve: our president won it even before he did anything. >> brian: right. >> steve: how hard could it be? >> brian: it's like, i don't know why you're giving this to me. >> steve: putin is only nominated. our president won. we'll find out what happens. in the meantime, get this, fox news alert out washington. sun is coming up in dc with the government partially shut down. but congressional leaders were talking last night, but president obama still says he's not going to negotiate, which surprised the republicans there.

doug mckelway is live in the capitol with the very latest on the stand-off. >> good morning, steve. on day three of the stand-off, signs of frustration with congressional gridlock are really beginning to show. witness this tirade on the house floor yesterday afternoon by california democrat george miller. >> you were on the jihadi -- health care, shutting down the parks wasn't a problem. shutting down -- >> the meeting at the white house last night was much more civil than that, but not much more productive as the president told gathered leadership of congress that he remains unwilling to negotiate. that's music to harry reid's ears. >> one of the things i was very -- i felt very happy i was there. the president of the united states was very, very strong, strong, strong. >> at some point we've got to allow the process that the founders gave us to work out.

we've appointed conferees to sit down and work with our senate colleagues. it's time for them to appoint conferees. >> there are reports of some way out of this thing we're in. it will be a return to the grand bargain that would encompass all the crisis, from the government shutdown to the looming debt crisis. apparently these discussions are happening behind the scenes. they are in the very early stages. it offers a way out, but it is a long way from fruition. back to you in new york. >> steve: i think you're right about that. >> brian: doug, quick question for you. i see that john boehner talked to the moderates and said trust me on this. stay with me on this. do you think he has a master plan? >> you know, it's hard to say. i think he's just trying to herd all of his cats at this point. i think there is some high level people who are very much involved in this grand bargain deal, paul ryan, for example. and i'm sure he's listening very closely to what mr. ryan has to say. beyond that, i don't know. >> steve: all right. >> brian: you would think paul ryan would be leading this

process with his knowledge of the budget. that's how he made his name. >> steve: it was paul ryan and barak obama who found the other side last time with the fiscal cliff. this time neither one is involved. what's interesting, politico, that lefty web site, talked a little bit this morning on their web page about how a loft congressional republicans have no reason to cave because most republicans have no fear that the voters are going to punish them because they're from districts where they would never elect a democrat for the most part. the biggest worry for them is somebody more conservative than they would wind up with some sort of a primary challenge. so right now, both sides are dug in. >> brian: if you do what you're supposed to do and what you think you're elected to do, don't worry so much about being primary. it's not supposed to be a career anyway. if the people don't want you, get another job! stop focusing on getting reelected. just do the right thing. >> steve: and to that point, brian, that is why a lot of members of the tea party are so squarely against obamacare.

we told you when we were running we'd do our best and that is why there is a line in the sand. >> elisabeth: there is also voter amnesia. they're banking on the fact that the wounds will heal, maybe some scarring will come over and people won't recall the pain of the past when they go to select their next congressman or senator. >> steve: sure. >> brian: i forgot what i had for breakfast. >> steve: i don't think you had breakfast. meanwhile, here is something we've been detailing on the channel for the last couple of days. you know how the government with the shutdown, they shut down extraordinarily an open air war more or less. never happened before. the world war ii memorial on the national mall, they put in the barricades, as you can see right there. extraordinarily, it is now guarded by more people than during normal operations. but the problem is these honor flights where these veterans from across the country came, extraordinarily once again, there are more personnel now sent to the national mall to

guard the world war ii memorial and keep the veterans out than were dispatched to benghazi. they dispatched -- the state department did, seven to benghazi -- >> elisabeth: five to benghazi. >> steve: and seven to the national mall. >> elisabeth: they were also banking on the fact -- i think -- did the administration bank on the fact that they would have this photo op of the memorials closed, fenced off, blockaded and then, they didn't expect that, oh, our veterans would actually show up? of course they would. they were there for us during war time. they're going to be there and support one another and they were there and our own officials came and opened the gate for them and the administration's photo op was busted. >> brian: what a waste of time. the symbolism that the administration tried to spread out that's supposed to maximize the pain on us, to turn around and put pressure on lawmakers in order to get something done on their behalf. it harkens back to the sequester fight. durham the memo that -- did she do you remember the memo that

said the budget cuts were keenly felt -- this is the quote, by average americans. those are above average americans that served in world war ii and 80 and 90 and want to go there perhaps for the last time. but when it happened and the white house tours were unveiled and things have boomeranged on them, you would think a couple of years later or a year later that they would have learned from that. >> steve: you would think so. what did they do? they've got hundreds of school trips where kids were going to go to the white house said sorry, kids. can't do it because of the sequester. meanwhile, yesterday the president of the united states could have spooked the markets a little bit in a sit down with cnbc. >> brian: on purpose. >> steve: where he was talking essentially about how you really should be worried about what's going on now. then you've got james clapper, the director of national intelligence out there and he said, you know, i can't really guarantee the safety of americans because of the shutdown. sounds like people in the administration are trying to

scare us. >> elisabeth: yeah. it seemed as though he was alluding to the fact, or his quote, that our employees are going to have even greater financial challenges moving into this section right now in our government. so it seems as though he was alluding to the fact that our security personnel would look elsewhere. >> brian: look elsewhere to dump secrets to make money or hang out in lounges where they can meet the unsavory in bars. >> elisabeth: what an insult to his employees. >> brian: james clapper has always been an interesting interview and a guy to testify. he's rubbing a head a lot and that usually means trouble for america. >> steve: last time he lied a lot. >> brian: right. when he starts rubbing his head, i get scared. ed henry thought he would follow up with jay carney. let's listen to this interchange. >> is the country less safe now or is this james clapper trying to scare people to put pressure on republicans? >> i would just point you to the testimony of the head of the d dni. >> are we less safe? >> well, i'm not the person in charge with making that

assessment, so i would refer to you -- >> does the commander in chief believe we are unsafe? >> the commander in chief believes we ought to open the government and there are bad impacts. >> steve: here is the problem with that argument and that is each agency in the federal government figures out which of these employees are essential and which are not. >> elisabeth: exactly right. >> steve: so for clapper to go, you know, i sent home a bunch of essential people, well, he looks stupid if that's true. or is he, as ed framed in that question, is he just trying to scare people on the same day where the president tried to scare the markets for a selloff? >> elisabeth: halloween is coming. everybody is getting spooky now. >> brian: first guy that should go, the guy who cleans the erasers. >> steve: they still use those? >> brian: absolutely. >> steve: people still use chalk? >> brian: it was a big thing with me. fifth grade, if we were good, we got to bring the erasers down and clean them ourselves. >> steve: you're spinning the truth. what would happen is you would be asked to stay after school to clean the erasers. >> elisabeth: it's all in the

chalk dust. >> brian: i would love to give the real story, but i have to toss to heather nauert. >> i thought that was supposed to be punishment. >> brian: i liked it! you don't clap them together. you put them on the machine. >> you were sniffing glue. >> brian: is there anything wrong with rubber cement? >> thanks, guys. i got some headlines now. a tragedy to tell you about taking place in tennessee overnight. eight people are dead this morning after a church bus veered into the wrong side of the road and it caused a chain reaction crash. that bus traveling northbound on i-40 and it was carrying 18 senior citizens when it blew a tire. >> i've been with the county for the last 21 years. this has been the largest scale accident that we've dealt with since i've been here. >> 14 other people were hurt. two of them are now in critical condition. they are in the united states illegally, but millions of immigrants will be allowed to get california driver's licenses. legally. governor jerry brown is set to

sign the measure into law later today. there are currently two other states that allow illegals to get driver's licenses. oregon and colorado. the nypd releasing these pictures of the two bikers who are accused of viciously beating a man in front of his wife and his toddler child. in a shock move this morning, prosecutors dropping charges against one of the two men arrested in that attack. the one who is seen bashing the side of the suv. the other suspects, 28-year-old christopher cruz, is still facing charges. he was caught on camera stopping short in front of alexen's range rover. police still looking for other suspects. check this one out. he is the picture of teeth, right? that's what some are thinking. a handful of supporters have nominated russian president putin for the nobel peace prize. they say that he prevented a u.s. air strike in syria. putin will have stiff competition. more than 250 candidates have been nominated.

that prize will be awarded next week. i did a little research on this. remember yassar arafat was awarded that in 1994, a lot of controversy over that. look at the precedent. >> brian: and he ended up dead. >> steve: matter of time. >> kilmeade. >> steve: thank you very much. >> thanks. >> elisabeth: coming up, one of the most difficult parts about finding a place to live is putting down the deposit. what are your rights when it comes to handing over that money? bob massi answering your questions next. >> brian: then the mystery of the missing golf ball. there you are. get him! >> steve: this is a fox news channel. there goes the fox. ♪ all right, let's go

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>> steve: it can be the most frustrating part of any real estate transaction. you know, the deposit. so what are you supposed to do if the deal doesn't work out? what happens to the deposit? how do you get it back? joining us to answer some of your questions, fox news legal analyst and the king of las vegas, bob massi. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: we're thinking about buying a house and the real estate agent said, get your earnest money ready. first of all what, is the purpose of earnest money and a deposit? >> it is good faith money to say to the proceed pecktive seller, we intend to sell it. this is consideration given. xa. dollars. there is not necessarily a formula. you give that money in consideration of buying the house, not just the house, any kind of real estate transaction. that's what earnest money

deposit means. >> steve: so that really just shows the seller that you're really serious, you're earnestly interested in it. >> right. >> steve: where did this pop up between the buyer and seller? >> it's the most common problem, steve, and that is the fact when these contracts are written up, the representatives for the buyer, many times do not put the proper language in as to refundable issues to that money if the buyer doesn't qualify for a loan or if, in fact, there is some issues that the buyer doesn't like about the property. so what happens is this money you put in, if you don't put specific language in the contract as to when you, the buyer, get it back, if certain contingencies aren't met, then you're in a battle to get your earnest money back and that's where a lot of people drop the ball in writing up contracts. >> steve: that's important because you said if you are buying a house, make sure your side, your attorney or your broker or whatever, make sure they put the language in the

deal so you can get the money back if it falls through. >> here is what you do, here is some ideas. first of all, you put conditions in there. let's say they want 5,000 down. you say, wait a second. here is what i'll do. i'll give you 5,000 down at the time of signing the contract. the balance of the 4,000 will be given at the time of the ending of my due diligence, where you, the buyer, have the right to inspect the property and make a determination if, in fact, you're going to buy it. so that way you're only exposed to $1,000, let's say. the other thing you could do is put a condition in the contract that says, listen, if, in fact, steve doocy does not buy bob massi's house, then the money is to be released back to steve doocy after 30 days unless massey decides to take legal action to get that money. in other words, you could put reasonable conditions in that contract so you don't have to get a lawyer to collect the $5,000 bill that will cost you 10,000 to get. that's the point of what i want

our viewers to understand. the language in the contract is crucial on that earnest money deposit. >> steve: because if it's not written down, they're not going to give it back to you just 'cause you're a nice person. that just doesn't happen in the real world. all right, bob massi. thank you very much for joining us. >> take care. >> steve: by the way, you can e-mail bob by visiting our web site in the section titled "rebuilding dreams," if you got a question real estate wise. 19 minutes after the top of the hour. nancy pelosi knows we're broke. there is just nothing we can do. >> the coverage is there. there is no more cuts to make. it's really important that people understand that. >> steve: the can you be board is bare. john stossel says not true! he's up next. then a vicious brawl over birthday cake.

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>> brian: the commander of iran's cyber warfare program shot dead in an apparent assassination. iran claims israel. five of iran's nuclear scientists also have died or disappeared since 2007. the government might be shut down, but football will go on. this morning the secretary of defense says he would not cancel this weekend's navy-air force game or the army's game against boston college. there you go, elisabeth. >> elisabeth: i feel better about it. in other areas of news, as

washington continues to bicker over the budget, our country is headed for economic default. >> steve: is there any way to save it? democrats say sorry, we just can't cut any more. >> the can you be board is bare. there is no more cuts to make. it's really important that people understand that. >> steve: john stossel says the cupboard is not bare and he hopes that some parts of the government stay shut down for good. >> brian: that sound bite was the best thing to ever happen to your show. >> it's what my show about. let's do a show based on that. >> elisabeth: what did you find in the cupboard? >> they spend $3.7 trillion, only a politician could call that bare. and i'm hoping the shutdown will wake people up and say hey, maybe we don't need all this stuff. >> steve: because when you look at the waste, it's substantial, right? >> yeah. there is the obvious stuff like they're going to spend hundreds

of thousands of dollars to study pig feces in china. they made video game about aliens saving the planets, which they call -- to fight climate change, make chi, not war. study of how young men drink. that's the small stuff. but you could close whole departments. why do we need a commerce department? commerce just happens. government gets in the way. >> steve: education. why do we need that at the federal level? because it's mainly done at the local level. >> that's $100 billion. president obama said, for example, we need to do this to end the shutdown, for the person working for the agriculture company, helping farmers make a profit. people make profit on their own or if they don't, then they should go out of business. we don't need an agriculture department helping farmers. >> brian: what about the epa? it turns out they asked essential workers to work, they kept one out of every ten.

>> elisabeth: 93% are nonessential. >> i would say don't need one out of ten for a year. the rules are there. nobody would know. the earth won't notice a difference if you shut the epa for ten years. we do need an epa to set some pollution rules. they're huge! >> steve: john, i guess it is the fault of both parties through the decades, the government has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and now it's so bloated, neither party really wants to cut much. >> even john boehner, when asked by brian williams, well, what would you cut? you have all these cuts. nothing comes to mind right now. >> steve: the tea party, their faction would love to cut things down. they're for small government, just like you are. >> elisabeth: trimming all the fat. >> but they were going to cut federal flood insurance. they didn't once some of their constituents said, no! i have to pay more for insurance. >> brian: how does this figure into stossel? >> we'll show you how easily things could be cut, how this could be a good thing, how with less government, people are freer 'cause we have more, we'll

create the jobs and we'll invents the good things. shut more down. >> elisabeth: okay, john. >> steve: the cable covered is not empty -- cupboard is not empty. >> nancy's cupboard is overflowing. >> brian: you're the pele of fox business. >> elisabeth: coming up, it looks like the boston bomber is not getting the rock star treatment in jail. wait 'til you hear what he's demanding. >> steve: and breaking news on the economy due out in soon. nicole petallides is standing by at the new york stock exchange and the number is coming. >> good morning. we are waiting for the weekly jobless claims. so that will be out at 8:30 in a few moments. the monthly number tomorrow, well, that's in jeopardy because of the government shutdown. we'll have all the numbers, talk about the market, what the shutdown could mean for you, it's all coming up after the break.

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>> elisabeth: fox business alert, brand-new weekly jobless numbers just released. >> brian: nicole petallides is proof of that. she would not be on the new york stock exchange. she would not be talking to us unless the numbers were out. what can you tell us, nicole? >> i could talk to you about a lot of things. not just about the jobs numbers. but this obviously is a hot topic on wall street and america to know what we have going on with jobless claims. you have 308,000 claims filed.

that's slightly better than the estimates of 313,000. that for right now seems a little better. what's interesting is we're getting the weekly numbers 'cause those are compiled state by state. however, the monthly number, tomorrow, the arguably most important piece of economic news, that may not come out now because of the partial government shutdown. don't be looking for that one too fast tomorrow morning at 8:30. i'm happy to be with you, but we won't be talking about that number. >> steve: even though 800,000 are furloughed, are they considered unemployed then? >> those wouldn't go into this right now. i'm not really sure about how -- >> steve: just a larger impact on the economy? >> exactly. that's really why -- this is why you should care, maybe you don't know people who have been furloughed. maybe you're not familiar with the 800,000 people laid off at least for now because of the partial government shutdown. but anywhere you read, anywhere you go, you start to hear about the rolling effects. right here down by wall street, there was a woman who is running

a deli. she said 35% of her customers are actually federal employees. there's a parking garage nearby. 50% of its customers are federal employees. so this ultimately affects consumer confidence and spending and ultimately our gdp and our economy. then that is how the snowball effect happens. >> brian: you think about it, parks, for example. okay, so parks, federal employees, if you don't go there, you're also not going to the restaurants, the snack shops and everything else in and around those areas. >> right. it's 800,000 employees. so the question is whether or not do they need all 800,000? no. maybe five or 10% of those people really could be laid off for real forever. however, the rest of them, they probably need and our economy needs. watch everything, how it could steam roll. right now the markets are in this wait and see mode. watch treasury, watch how the economic activity may dwindle. recession. all of these thing could

ultimately transpire if things don't get moved in washington. you have an impasse and they got to get it right. >> elisabeth: thanks that. is a tangible ripple effect you just described for us. >> brian: could i ask you one other topic? >> absolutely. >> brian: okay. do you have any ideas? >> steve: yeah. there is something, bill gates, you know, the founder of microsoft. investors are trying to squeeze him out? >> right. he invented this company 38 years ago. the ceo will step down. gates relinquished his role in 2000. there are three heavy hitters that are saying out with vollmer and out with gates because they're trying to turn this company around. since 2000, stock is down 40%. >> brian: do they have anybody in mind? is there a superstar below? >> well, alan mullaly of ford

has been noted to be a potential person to get in that ceo spot. gates, i don't know. i don't know who would step in that role. we'll see. it's his baby and he's a $72 billion guy. it may be it's time for him to step down, according to some investors. >> steve: we'll see you tomorrow, same floor. >> all right. i'll be here. >> elisabeth: thanks. we're going to head over to heather nauert. >> 35 minutes after the hour. remember the story of the doctor who was accused of intentionally misdiagnosing patients with cancer? he'll remain behind bars until his trial takes place. he was denied bail because he has ties to lebanon and is considered a flight risk. prosecutors say that he told healthy patients that they had cancer and then gave them chemo to make money from insurance. >> this is cruel to say, but i want so he can never hug his wife again like these people can never hug their loved ones. >> that trial starts in

february. the accused boston marathon bomber begging for a break from his time behind bars. listen to this one. attorneys for dzhokhar tsarnaev filed a motion to limit their client's isolation. they say he needs more time outside and possibly access to a tv or telephone. the april terror attack killed three people and injured more than 200. caught on camera, a florida man brutally beaten after trying to defend a woman who was being marassed on the bus. jimmy sing amton said he told the guy to knock it off and that's when he started getting punched. >> i wasn't thinking at all except wow, this hurts. i was thinking ouch. >> what a gentleman, though. he spent eight days in the hospital after he was beaten by this guy. that suspect is still on the loose. i have a feeling they're going to find him. well, take a look at this story, really takes the cake. check out this video. the woman thought it would be safe to bring her son's birthday cake inside of the courthouse.

but instead, some greedy guy digging right into that cake with his bare hands when no one was look, except the surveillance program. deputies tried to take him down and then an all-out brawl ensued. >> brian: about the cake? >> he was later arrested. why did the mom bring the cake into the courtroom? it sounds like a joke, doesn't it? she had a dog in the car and she didn't want the dog to eat the cake, 'cause you know what a mess that is when the dog starts eating the food. >> brian: you know what you need? a tupperware party. they have the top you could put on and a strap that goes over. you know someone in tupperware. >> then it won't crush the cake. >> steve: my mom actually brought our wedding cake in the trunk of the car when we got married in kansas city on the hottest day of the year and it melted in the trunk. don't have it in the trunk. >> brian: did you go to carvelle? >> steve: no, it was 4,000-degrees in the trunk. and 200 miles. it takes its toll on the cake. but we got one at the

restaurant. anyway, maria molina is outside where today she's not wearing a coat. she's sleeveless 'cause it's absolutely beautiful out. >> yeah. it's actually very warm out acro northeast. it's a little unusual. the month of october, should be starting to feel like the 50s or 60s during the early morning hours. but that's not what we're looking at. during the afternoon hours, middle 80s for so many people across the northeast. get out and enjoy it while you have the nice weather 'cause it's all downhill from here. it will get colder. we want to bring breaking weather news. a storm system that we have been tracking throughout the morning and have been telling you about, the national hurricane center has been keeping an eye out, hurricane hunters are there right now and the hurricane hunter data has indicated that a tropical storm has formed, maximum sustained winds right now of about 60 miles per hour. official advisories going to be issued within the next hour or so on the storm system. that's when it would be officially named tropical storm karen. that is what we're looking at across extreme southeastern

parts of the gulf of mexico. all of the computer models are taking this storm northward and basically we could be looking at some impact across parts of the -- into the weekend or early next week across parts of the gulf coast. we could be looking at hurricane and tropical storm warnings, across parts of mississippi, florida, a something to keep an eye on over the next several days and steve, elisabeth and brian, we have another big storm, winter storm across the rockies. on the warm side of that same storm, severe weather with damaging winds, large hail and tornadoes being a concern. a lot of weather going on across the country. back inside. >> brian: all right. thanks. come on back inside where it's warm. rays and indians. top 4, you have the indians, a great success story and tampa, who continues to defy the odds with very little fan support. there they come up. they win this game 4-0. a two-run double there. and the indians would not be able to put anything together,

so they don't end with a flourish. the best story left in the game, the umpires. players fight all the time. what about coaches in the national hockey league? >> brian: the first game as nhl head coach getting fired up. probable will he would have gotten into a fight if not for the partition. he almost wrecked it. what do you do if you're the ref? hop into the benches? final score was 6-1. congratulations. check out this video. a fast footed fox giving golfers at this swiss golf club an excuse to take a mulligan. one e-mailer said they must have thought it was eggs 'cause foxes get into the hen house. they're going for the eggs.

the golfers take their shot there and in the end, they stole 100 golf balls. i just don't know what happens after they eat the golf balls. can you survive that if you're a fox? >> elisabeth: they're not easily digestible. >> brian: i don't think so. >> steve: keep on top of that story. >> brian: you got it. >> elisabeth: that hockey scene looked more like the senate floor. >> brian: it did. the way it looked yesterday, some people called it a jihad on the senate floor. >> steve: i heard that. they need a flexy glass. it's a story that's gotten reaction. that gang of bikers attack a guy while his family watched. so what would do you protect your family? would do you what that guy did even though the guy does the helmet like that and tries to get in? peter johnson, jr. here next with your e-mails. >> elisabeth: pastor joel osteen here with five ways to break out of your rut today. ♪ ♪

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>> brian: he's accused in a brutal road rage attack, ripping a man from his seat and beat him in front of his family. he could have died. prosecutors in new york stay at least one of the suspects will not face charges. peter johnson, jr. is standing across from me to explain the legal ins and outs of this case and ask viewers to respond while we speak. >> yeah. we've had some tweets from some viewers. one says, protecting my family comes first. put them in harm's way or fear of being harmed? then you pay the consequences. but then another says stop. allow them to pass. pull to the side. exchange insurance information. the same occurred with a member of hell's angels. this will be the shame of new york city if these folks are not prosecuted. >> brian: i understand there is a schism between the prosecutors, what they want to do. >> there is always sometimes.

there is prosecutor saying, slow it down. we want to make the big charges. the big charges here are assault. maybe the big charge is attempted murder. maybe the big charge is riot. if you're with your family on a major artery, major highway in new york city and you're forced to stop and you fear that your wife is going to be attacked in some way, your child is going to be kidnapped, you're going to be beaten, perhaps beaten to death, you have a right to break the rules. you have a right to speed and go through lights. >> if you're in imminent fear of bodily harm and you need to escape the situation, you have to do so in a reasonable way. so the issue is, for some people and some people in the main stream media in new york industry, they're trying to jam this man up who took a beating after a 50-block chase by what i view to be in marauding, sick individuals. they weren't licensed. some of the motorcycles were stolen. this is incredible! >> brian: i tell you what, he saw the pushback of the wife of the man who is now paralyzed,

saying he ran over my husband and there is no help for him to -- hell for him to pay. >> i empathize for anyone who is injured. but if someone, and i don't know all the facts -- but based on the tape, if someone is injured or hurt based on their own conduct, no one is liable but for them. we're going to see all the facts. but in my opinion, the man who was beaten in this case should not be prosecuted, should not be sued. he should be prayed for. >> brian: ironically, it would be him against him, except for the helmet cam video that i think indicts the bikers. >> i think big time. >> brian: provided by the bikers. >> go on youtube as well at some point today. look at what these folks and folks like them have done in the past. 2500 bikers at a time taking over city streets and highways in new york. that's lawlessness that we can't aou in new york or anywhere else in this country. the law is the law. >> brian: official thanks to putt for bogey 2. >> interesting.

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>> is our country more vulnerable to terrorism? during the shutdown? the director of national intelligence says yes, but is that true? tom ridge joins us on that. and somehow the shutdown shuttered some sites that get no federal funding. how did that work? we'll talk to a vet who crossed the barricade yesterday and see what he thinks about the shape his country is in now. bill and i will see you at the top of the hour. let's send it back to steve and brian ask elisabeth.

>> steve: thank you very much. are you looking to make a change in your life? maybe a new job or perhaps a new relationship? >> elisabeth: the pastor of our nation's largest church says you've got the power to do it spall it's all in his new book "breakout, five ways to go beyond barriers." welcome. >> thank you. >> elisabeth: right now everyone is kind of, to put it easily, bummed out. we're in a rut. we've got to shut down. >> yeah. >> elisabeth: joblessness. how are we supposed to get out of our rut? what's the first way is this. >> you know, the book is a lot about just what you said, people have these limitations they put on themselves, not that talented or my marriage is okay, but it's not going to go any further. i think the first place you have to break out is in your own mind, in your thinking. you have to take the limitations off yourself. i never thought i could be a minister. my dad tried to get me up there, but there are things in me that i didn't know i had that for years i told myself, i'm too shy, i'm not this or that.

so it's about believing bigger and taking the limits off. >> brian: i love the saying, if you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right. >> exactly. >> steve: also you say this is bold. pray bold prayers. >> yeah. >> elisabeth: give us an example. >> let me set it up and i will. a lot of times we pray for our food and children and that's all good. but i believe the bible teaches you to pray over your dreams. a lot of times we think, well, god's got bigger things to do than bother with me. there is kids starving. but god created the whole universe and when you pray bold prayers and say, god, whatever it is, i want to start this business, or i want to get married, or i want to see something turn around, that just shows your faith in god. i think we have to -- >> steve: listen, i was praying bold in high school. give me an a on this physics test. >> brian: we told to you study and it didn't work. you're praying all the time. >> elisabeth: people may be afraid to be disappointed, right? if it doesn't come true.

>> i think this, you pray and then you say, god, this is what i want. this is what i believe you put in my heart. and then -- but you have to have the attitude, god, but i know you're in control. i'm going to trust you. in other words, you've got to say, i'm going to be happy whether it happens my way or does not. that's what trusting is. sometimes god closes the door 'cause he has better things. >> brian: right. a lot of giant fans don't think there is a god. >> elisabeth: maybe this second. >> brian: maybe. you say consider god and not circumstances. >> yeah. if you just consider your circumstances, you'll think, well, i don't have the education or the talent. or look at this medical report. i'll never get well. that's what they told my mother with terminal cancer. just consider that you're going to get discouraged. you've got to consider that god created the whole universe. all things are possible. again, it's about releasing your faith to say, god, i don't see a way, but i believe you have a way. >> brian: you know what this reminds me of is the amount of people that have given up looking for jobs. that number continues to grow. so they've given up on

themselves. so that's who this book is for, for people like that. >> it really is. it's a faith building book we all can get stuck where we are. i think god wants us to continue growing, whether you're far along or you're not. otherwise you get stuck and i don't think you reach the fullness of your best without taking these steps of faith, taking the limits off, knowing god can get you. >> elisabeth: do you have a bad day in when you do, how do you deal with it? >> my personality, i'm naturally optimistic. but there are times you get up and you say, i don't feel like going to work. but die what i ask people to do. i find some reason to be grateful and say thank you god that my children are healthy. thank you that i live in a great country. i find when you're grateful and you go out and do something good for somebody else, it changes your mood. >> steve: listen, check out his new book called "breakout attention five keys to go beyond your barriers." joel osteen is going to stick around and we'll continue the conversation live from new york city in a couple of minutes.

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>> steve: you mentioned when your mom was first diagnosed with terminal cancer, there was a lot of praying going on. you didn't finish the story. >> no, i didn't. that was 32 years ago. there was no treatment they could give her. it was around christmas in 1981. doctors said six weeks to live and we prayed. we did what we believed we could do and she stood in faith and she's alive today. doesn't happen to everybody, but it did for us. so that's the faith i try to give other people. >> elisabeth: what about forgiveness, too? i think that's something people struggle with, even with little things, and big things.

how do you say forgive easily? >> it's hard, 'cause some people have gone through unfair things. but i think you have to realize you're forgiving for yourself and not the other person. >> brian: i hope the wiggles forgive us. 'cause we had to postpone them. thanks, joel. bill: quite a couch. like it. good morning, everybody. shutdown theater, day three, drop the curtain. of the congressional leaders coming together at emergency meeting at the white house but president singing the same song on stage. there is no negotiating. there is no deal. so what now? i'm bill hemmer. hold your hat for another day of drama. welcome to "america's newsroom." how are you doing? martha: i'm doing well. good morning, bill. hey, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. we're three days in and the divide between democrats and republicans couldn't be more clear. here is john boehner and harry reid after last night's ditched meeting at white house. watch this. >> the president reiterated one more time tonight he will not negotiate. we've got divided government. democrats control the white house and the