twitter. i will see you on huckabee with a live up date. >> tonight on huckabee. finger pointing. >> if you hope to end the republican shut down get rid of the tea party direction. >> this is harry reid's shut down because he wants it. and refuses to listen to the american people. >> speaker john boehner will not let the bill get a yes or no vote. >> the wall street journal out. we are winning. it is not a damn game. >> they are talking tough, but where is the action. >> the former congressman jason a tmire said the private sector can clean up the mess that the government created

>> plus, pope francis reaches out and taylor brown salutes the pride of america. ♪ ♪ ♪ (singing) ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. (applause) >> thank you, thank you very much. and welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. i need to have a heart-to-heart talk with you and ask you to listen with your mind and not your emotions. i want to speak as one who got elected to statewide office longer than any republican in history and now hosts a television show and talk radio she and a daily radio commentary

and one of the now who served as a ceo of a state and presided over a senate as a lieutenant governor. as a candidate i had to run and win in a state that only elected throw people to statewide office in 150 years and one of the largest margins that anyone had. and i even received 49 percent of the african-american vote in myitate and not many republicans in any state can say that. black or white. i am not saying that to boast but i am saying that having qualified what i want to say. having run for office and served in office and talk she host the easiest of those is being a talk show host. i get to take a stand and fully control the debate and change the subject whenever i want to. i have no responsibility of the out come of my ideas should they

be embraced and adopted. the solutions that i push for on radio and tv don't have to work. i can be absolutely absolute about how right i am because no one holds me accountable. you see holding office and governing is hard. very hard. as governor, i had 89 out of 100 in the house that were democrats and in the senate, 31 out of the 35 were democrats, and now with those numbers, i didn't have a legislature looking for ways to make me look good and the legislation i proposed either had to be good and i had to sell it to people who did not have a natural interest in wanting to pass. it this week republican callers to the radio show supported the shutdown and show down and one of them said it best. we sent them to washington to take a stand. and that's when i realized, houston, we have got a problem.

no we didn't send them to washington to take a stand. we sent them to govern. and you see, it is easy to take a stand. heck, you don't have to go to the trouble of running for office or serving as an elected official. on radio and tv, i take a stand every day. you can take a stand by raising your voice on the capitol steps. but to make a change you have to get inside and have a vote. i can raise cane as a talk she host but to reform prisones and raising test scores i had to govern. unless the numbers are on your side you will not get everything you want. i have a thelogical education. in theology, things are black and white. politics is not pure and never perfect. by the way when i cook bar-b-que ribs, i cook them on low heat and cook them slow to make them fall of the bone real tender,

because good cook suggest not done over a explosion but over a steady heat. people in washington taking a stand, but the question is are they governing. most people don't care about the process in the kitchen but care about the finished product. governing is about mastering the %pnourishing and not make us be sense. some of the talk show host ought to run for office and find out what it is really about. well, house republicans are not getting much traction in the latest battle in washington. so did they pick the wrong fight? we'll ask the author of the declaration of independence. and how libertarian politics can fix america. and ja mu green former advisor to hillary clinton and fox news

contributor. >> and both of you here. >> and you think we have blurred the lines between governoring and talking. >> i will start by saying bravo. you want some of the bar-b-que. i mean your common sense and republican colleagues and dc need your common sense. everything you just said that you could be thes a in the hole in your party. in the democracy, you get what you want by convincing. >> the republicans lost the argument and we have gone in a campaign mode since 2010 that is hurting our fragile economy. >> matt, has it gotten out of the hand where they lost sight

of the goal to see if they can issue the bar and in of the language is over the top and worse i have heard. >> republicans had an incredibly winning hand six months ago. we had three big dead lines in march just like in october. and they were the debt ceiling and conditioning resolution and sequester and john boehner separated that. he got that and we could have had a throw$.6 trillion budget passed in april in this country which would be flat spending revenue across all levels and then in october onest it would be obama roll out day instead of government shutdown day and the debt ceiling negotiation that came october 17th would be something that republicans had the upper hand. americans don't want the debt ceiling raised without conditions as least they didn't until now. and the republicans and mangled

and combined the issues and hurt their strong negotiating. >> i think you are are right. democrats would be defending obama care through the glitches and instead republicans helped to change the subject and threw the democrats a lifeline. ja mu. the democrats instead of saying okay, we'll get the shutdown over with. and we have made our point, let's move on, they seem to be dug in. and everything that gets sent. open up the monuments and veterans their money and child to the nih for cancer treatment and they say no, we get all-or-nothing. i have never in my life thought that governing was an all-or-nothing proposition. >> it is not a all-or-nothing and democrats have caved in a number of ways, look at the numbers that are tied to the resolution that could pass boehner brought it up, they include massive spending cuts

that across the board spending cuts through sequestration and democrats don't want this number but said we need to fund the government and move on from this and boehner is not taking them up on the opportunity to bring this to a vote where he has the votes to stop these 30 or some rens from basically setting an untenable precedent. this is not how legislation continues to happen for us to be the strong. >> and the house passed bills and sent it to the senate and harry reid sits on it and nothing ever hatches over there. like a henon eggs. matt, i am trying to figure out. some sent over today and government workers on furlough ought to go home and watch tv and play chess. that is not reasoning together. >> the president set the tone on this one when he said he would not negotiate on the debt

ceiling as if that is his call to make. there is a divided in the government by design and the house of representatives, get say in this and you do have to negotiate. the democrats are looking at polls and say that americans rightly in my view hate the government and will blame republicans a bit more. >> and we don't have to negotiate. and we'll let the republicans die on the vine here. and that is overplaying their strong hand. and we are going to give the republicans a life line out of the canyon they built for themselves. >> ja mu, bill clinton understood the art of negotiation, he worked with people. he didn't always enjoy it and heck, i didn't see it either. i know you are probably defending barak obama, but matt's point is well taken, the president is only one- third of the government and he's not all

of it. how does jose no negotiation period? >> i think governor, it goes back to the untenable precedent that i said. we cannot have a small number of republicans the minority dictating that they will destroy the economy if they don't get what they want. that is not for president obama or the next president who may be president clinton his significant others and i think if we have our wish. and i think that president obama has been very open with the republicans. >> really? >> and upset many people on the left and compromised it time after time. and this is a final straw that the kid ntz capitol really need to learn their lesson. >> that part of working with them. i missed that chapter and i will have to go back and watch it. >> thank you very. >> and in less than two weeks, the government will not have

enough money to pay the bills and will congress get a new credit card or will it cut the spending, we'll talk about it, next. >> i would like to go to hear from you. go to mikehuckabee.com. and sign up for my facebook page and follow me

ed dead line for the debt ceiling. on the 17th of october the united states will run out of money to pay the bills. can congress come together to keep the money going before the 17th. joining me is oklahoma congressman langford and

president of the republican policy committee. thank you for being here today. >> thank you, governor. >> there is a lot of controversy over what is going on in washington. and one question who is running the house strategy. the speak oregon ted cruz? and who is running the strategy in the house right now? >> i hate to tell you this, but it is the american people in our directs who are running it. folks who don't want a government shutdown but they don't want also obama care. they are colliding at this moment and they have overwhelming calls coming in my office and find any way to get relief of this process. and the last offer in the senate was straightforward. we want to make sure individuals will not be fined for the next year and members of congress and the white house, all of obama care applies to them.

they are not exempt and they have to live under the same law. those two things are out there. >> i agree those are reasonable things. why didn't that get out a couple of three weeksing on rather than the shutdown. it would have been a easy sell and hard for the democrats to argue. but the 11th hour came forward. defund obama. you knew that was not going to happen. and no way the senate would do it or the president would accept it. and so why not make the offer you mentioned when it could have been a accepted. >> it my have been a tacteccal. the folks in the direct want to get rid of all of it. and and way to do that we will do that and be able to push. we said this is where we are. individuals need to be protected and congress and the white house needs to live under it. before the shutdown, we passed with a unanimous vote in the

house and senate and the president signed a bill to protect the united states military and all of the civilian contractors who are hit so hard with sequestration to make sure nothing will apply to them. the bill is a one page bill that clearly outlines all of the people that are exempt from the affects and shut down. but the lawyers in the pentagon spent the week to interpret the law and we have folks on military base that are on furlough when they should not be. it is signed by the president, but the white house is using pressure to say no, we are not sure whether the military is out or in it and they know they are in it full well. >> is the white house being arbitrarily in shutting the down the world war ii memorial and things that don't have one thing to do to be shut down. they are spending more money by closing them rather than ignoring them. >> the lincoln memioral is open

air 365 days a year and all of the previous government shutdowns that occurred in the past 30 years or so. lincoln memorial is always open. but this time they are putting barriers around the lincoln and world war ii memorial. to us that is applying political pressure. and the situation is bad enough. why would you try to make it worse as a president? you need to protect people and that's your responsibility as a leader. >> speaker boehner said there will not be a default on the debt ceiling, was that a statement of surrender or just the beginning of a negotiation. >> no that is clear beginning of negotiation. we have 17 trillion worth of debt sitting around. not a lot of people talk about. that 17 trillion worth of debt that has a lot of interest payments to go n. interest rates go up we have a bigger debt and that is a bigger problem. we have to be attentive to that.

we'll not play for the full faith and credit of the united states. we passed a bill dealing with the full faith and credit of the united states and the senate never picked up. and we want to be able to negotiate and get it done. it is the right time to negotiate the big issues and how dow stop having debt sealing votes when you are deep in debt. strategy plan and look out 30 years and work our way out of the dope hole. can't do it in a year but we can do it. a big ship doesn't turn around fast but it does if you turn the wheel. >> congressman, you might want to remind the president back in 2006, senator bark bookkeeper obama said that raising the debt ceiling was unpatriotic and irresponsible. and it is now 17 and you might want to start by saying mr. president we come to the table having agreed with you.

seven years ago. not the you today. >> i would agree, when he was a senator, he voted no on raising the debt ceiling and now coming back to us and saying it is irresponsible not to raise the debt ceiling. it is an interesting dichotemmy. you have to look at reality much like the opening monlog. there is a difference between politics and policy. and my concern so many people in washington d.c. come here because they are good at politics and not policy and good ideas. people in home don't need us to look good in washington d.c. but need solutionses and answers and we need to get them solutions and answers. >> very well said. congressman thank you very sxch appreciate you being here and go do the lord's work in the devil's town. thank you very much congressman lapping ford of oklahoma. >> he voted against obama care but now said it is here and we have to live with.

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>> democrats in congress that voted against obama care and lost his seat and said that obama care is law, we'll have to deal with. it joining me former pennsylvania congressman and current vice-president of the insurance company florida blue jason altmeyer. >> you are one of the few democrats who voted against obama care. what was the problems that you saw with it then that made you

take an unpopular tanned and likely cost you your congressional society? >> it was very district specific concern. i had medicare advantage recipients and the bill was specific to medicare advantage. i am not in the game and i work for florida blue and now as citizens of the united states, we have an obligation to support the laws that are enacted and help them succeed. no body in the country should be rooting for failure. this is the law and passed and enacted and up held by the court sxourt validated by an election, and now i think we have to make sure we help it succeed? >> could more private sector involvement and innovation help the health care options for americans out there? >> i think without a doubt. it is going to help the health care system. the mechanisms are having real results in improving the quality

of health care. not only in florida but all over the country and in a private market and mind set, that is going to control costs a after the high quality in health care that we need to make sure that we let the political apparatus work with the policy. but we have to serve the people of florida and people of the united states. >> there is a lot of man dates in obama care. they have to buy them and if they want or need them. that is part of the man date and that is a heart burn for obama care. i would like to pick major catastrophic issues. is that something that should be addressed and would it make it more popular if people could maybe pick their own policy a little bit? >> here is the issue for. that preexisting conditions are no more. if you have a chronic health condition can get health care which is a good thing and we support. that you have the risk pool be

wide as possible and make sure young and healthy people are in the system and part of the risk pool. if you are left with just the risk poll with the older and sicker people that drives up cost for everybody. you will spread the risk with the entire risk pool and do away with the man date, that is going to have a bad impact on the system. >> that is a reality. and basically means younger and healthier people need to pay a good clip in order to finance the old gesies like me. thafshg you, young people by making my insurance less expensive. >> and congressman thank you for joining us and working to make good. it is great to have you here and i appreciate. it >> thank you. >> while pope francis get crit sichs for talking to nonbelievers, my next guest said

it is about time for the church to reachstody tonight and

more as we get it on both situations. now back to huckabee. n(applause) >> he's only been the head of the catholic church since march less than a year. but pope francis made plenty of headlines for preaching acceptance of the groups that the church kept the distance from. he received criticism because he conducted a interview with an atheist journalist. young people are not affiliating themselves for church or regular. is he just doing outreach. the videos had roached 40 million hits. >> we love to pit ourselves against other because it gives us moral authority and affirmation and let's be honest sometimes christians ares worse. our church is better than the street and the way we worship is

better than the church we grew up. and calvinism. and cha ris mastic and catholic versus protestant and as if the world dying outside really cares. >> absolutely. he has a new book, "jesus is greater than religion. ". jeff great to you here. >> how is it going? >> the pope stirred up controversy with the catholics. do you think he was misunderstood? >> yeah, he was little misunderstood and i chat about this in chapter four of the book, i say america prides itself on a pluralistic nation. it is where they have a voice in the marketplace and i would argue we don't have that. we have tribalism and throwing rocks against each other and typing away how we hate

everyone. the internet has a way of dehumanizing people. >> you are not saying all views in the religious world are the same and it doesn't matter. if all of them are equal none of them are relevant? >> i am not talking about relativism. we need to have a conversation and knowing we have different view points and okay with disagreeing and dialling on. if we have humility and after the same goal finding truth. i think christianity holds the most water and i am not scared of that conversation. >> some people heard the pope run away from issues like same- sex marriage and sanctity of major and human life. i personally didn't hear it that way. you think he was trying to change the church's doctrine or emphasis. >> this is an american christian disease or western world for that matter. we always get people in trouble

for going too far and never for not going far enough. everyone is handcuffed because of that and the internet world. he may have had it taken out of context, but it is all about conversation and not when he said, like what you said. >> we talk about the figures. young people are staying away from church and don't care and don't see anything there. what do we do to get young people interested? what do we do to get them interested in the spiritual-? chairmens spurjion said every christian is a missionary or imposter. you are going and being on mission or faking it. we have an event and invite people to it. i see jesus pursuing and on mission and engaging the context and having a table fellowship with people who don't belong.

we need to go to them rather than them to us. >> and the pope got a little trouble because he did an interview with an atheist journalist. he hung out with tax collectors andine prostitutes and all of the people who are the ne'er do wells. he hung out not in a sense of joining their behavior but treating with dignity and respect and is that what we are missing in the christian world. >> fellowship and oating with one another. you loved and cared for them and doing that was scandalous to the religious institution and people in power. the thing that made christianity scandalous is the reconciliation element. and one god jesus is his name. all gender barriers and soc-

economic and racial barriers are gone and that made it so different in the first century and today in our world. >> jefferson. i think you are on track and i love what you do and your book and i think it is terrific, and i would say sometimes we get to the place where we think that christians have created scandals of the wrong coined. we have done things that are evil? maybe we ought to do it because we identify and love people with it unconditionally who are not like us. and that might be the way to get folks back. jeff, it is always a great plosure to have you here. and they say that laugher is the best medicine and i believe that. and coming up, a woman who is living with stage four breast cancer and leading voices in america for women's cancer. >> and how comedy can help fight cancer. we are back, thank you.

>> loctober is breast cancer awareness month. my next guest is living with stage four breast cancer. norine fraser visited us twice while undergoing chemo this were and there is now a new treatment ta targets cancer cells without all of the side affects. she is founder and ceo for women's canc are research and wife of the executive producer of this show. welcome back norine fraser. great to see you. >> thank you, it is wonderful to be here. >> you look terrific and you truly do and going through treatment and yet you don't look like treatment. it is an amazing break through. it is an amazing break through

and the drug only has numbers and letters. >> it ought to be named norine. >> yeah, like a hurricane. it is coing a hurricane coined of work on cancer. >> it is cdk inhibitor. it is cdk proteins are what make cancer grouchlt and so they did the research and my foundation put money into this research not knowing, i thought it was a good project and i focused on finding good research and put money into it and four years later it is on the market. it blocks the protein cdk which makes cancer grow. it is now in a phase one trial that i am in and my liver, and my metac sis in the liver is halted and not getting bigger or

smaller and i don't have side affects as when i did chemo and that's been my dream. i started the foundation and i don't want to talk about the cure. i don't care about the cure. it may never come. but if we can put money in research to find drugs that can make cancer disease live with and not do i from and have the horrible side affects and the chemo, that is pretty fantastic. >> there it is. >> and you are first diagnosed with breast cancer and many years ago. you had small children and the outlook and the prognosis was not good. what were they telling you then? >> i had a very small tumor in two where are 01 and had rad sxigz luchltectomy and a four percent chance of coming back. but then it went in my bones two years later. i had to get on my horse and i

realized i was in trouble. when it moves from one place to the another you are in trouble. if i was lucky, i would have five years. >> at the most. nfive at the most. i thought that was unacceptable. it has been 12. and i think that i am stubborn. you know, i get things done. i am working to find answers about the horrible disease that is affecting so many people. and as we get older, it is only going to get worse. one out of two men will get cancer and one out of three women will get cancer in their lifetime. we have to pay attention to ta. >> one of the things you have done is raise money and awareness in comedy. most people wont put comedy and cancer in the same sentence. >> because comedy is like exercise. it e leases endorphins and when

you are happy and feeling good and laughing, endorphins are there and you are feeling better. i have endpajed top named comedian to work for prevention and early detection. and on my web site jack black doing a mammogram. and jeff and all doing funny skits and i do mother's day cards where they say get your mammogram and pap smear. prevention is the best medicine. >> the found aiding is norine fraser.org. it is for the kind of research that is making a difference. we see it with you. i have seen you twice and see you now i am stunned and it is working. what can people do to help? >> oh, gosh, you have to align yourself with an organization where you know what is

happening. somebody who is transparent and puts on the web site what they are funding and keeps you up-to-date on the results of where they put their money and running and walking and doing it and putting your money, for me, it doesn't work. i have to get myself involved and i want everyone to know what i am doing and happening and i like to work with organizations and research teams that are sharing the information. >> by the way, you said something a moment ago. you are a stubborn person. you married a stubborn person, our executive producer. >> our poor children. >> no. they are blessed to have you and we are blessed to have you here. >> thank you for having me. i so appreciate it. >> and this week, we heard about world war ii veterans who refused to let the government shutdown from visiting the world

war ii memorial in washington. we'll pay tribute to it.

. we have the daughter of former massachusetts senator scott brown who is now a country singer that toured with the likes of darius rocker, josh turner and earlier this year she made her grand ole opry debut. here we have ayla brown. >> hi, thank you so much. >> i was joking around and said, you're dad's not the big deal anymore, you are. >> oh, well, don't tell him that. i'm actually really happy to be here. it's been a fun journey.

a musical journey. he's been taking guitar lessons, so he's been joining me up on stage. we should join a band. >> when he learns two or three chords, he can come back with you and we'll have him play, how is that? >> i can't wait, that will be fun. >> you got this inspiration on the campaign trail, i understand. >> i did. my mom had an idea to come up with a cd to give out at my father's fund-raisers. at the time, it never ended up happening because apparently there's a lot because we are related i can't give out cds. for some reason, i don't even know what it was saying -- >> it's our federal government at its best, right. >> it turned into something even cooler. i ended up finding an amazing nonprofit called hugs for heroes out of massachusetts. and for every cd sale for the 2,000 copies, they were the beneficiary charity. they got a proceed of every cd sale and new balance helped sponsor the entire thing. so it's been a great journey. i'm going to be presenting them

with a check on veterans day. and we get to jam out to a song called "pride of america." >> brian bolden is joining us on guitar. we are going to do a song called "pride of america." >> how's everybody doing? my name is ayla brown and this is called "pride of america." ♪ ♪

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