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munjt's deadly mall attack in kenya. sma somali police saying at least seven people were killed in a shootout where we're told multipet high-level targets were hiding out. secretary of state john kerry commented on both raids early this morning. >> we hope that this makes clear that the united states of america will never stop in its efforts to hold those accountable who conduct acts of terror and those members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can run but they can't hide. >> you can run but you can't hide. it's been 15 years for al libi. now he's in custody. jennifer griffin with more life in washington. hello, jennifer. >> good morning. libyan government officials apparently were not told about u.s. plans to carry out this commando raid, and now they're complaining, demanding answers.

fox has learned the president signed off on these two operations at the end of september. in somalia, u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s came ashore in the predawn hours saturday to target a villa south of mogadishu where top leaders of al shabaab were gathered. shortly there after, in libya, elite forces surrounded the vehicle of this man, al libi. he had been indicted in the southern district of new york, wanted by the u.s. for more than a decade for his role in the bombings. he had just pulled up to his house after morning prayers when he was nabbed by the u.s. forces. pentagon press secretary issued this statement. quote, as the result of a u.s. counterterrorism operation, abba anas al libi is currently laufrly detained by the u.s.

military. >> i wish he was being tried in guantanamo rather than the southern district of new york. >> libby will be tried in the u.s. and will not be sent to guantanamo bay. he's alleged to have done surveillance on the embassies before the bombings. he hid in britain and iran after the attacks and returned to libya in 2011 during the uprising against gadhafi. the operation in somalia was also designed to capture the mastermind of another more recent east africa attack, that at the mall. the s.e.a.l.s could not retrieve the body to make a positive identification. in libya, an fbi hostage rescue team with the authorities to prosecutor was embedded with the u.s. forces who carried out the attack, another clue that al libi will be tried in a u.s. federal court. >> incredible work. jennifer griffin, thank you. thanks, so how exactly are

special forces trained to carry out missions like these? joining us now via skype is mike baker, former cia covert a operations officer. nice to see you and congratulations to our brave men and women who carry off these operations every day. how significant were these two raids for the war on terror? >> the pickup of al libi in tripoli is very significant, the closing of a cahapter. you think of how long ago it seems 19 nathd was, but how deadly the bombings were in east africa. this is also important, the notion we continue to decimate the most experienced, the top-ranked members of al qaeda. al libi, i mean, had been associated with osama bin laden since back in the saddam days in 1994, in that area. this is a guy who's been around for a long time and had a great deal of responsibility not just in africa, but other operations.

the raid in somalia, very important. that was a tough one. and it was very unfortunate that wiunable to take down additional targets, but it's amazing what they're able to do. i would like to stress both operations are the deal of a great deal of work going on over the years in targeting al shabaab and the al qaeda organization as a whole. >> i want to help folks at home, mike, understand better both of the organizations. it said taking actually the capture and kill in this particular case has affected both organizations, al qaeda, and al shabaab. in the case of al qaeda, they've been decimated to a great extent by all our efforts. what is actually left of al qaeda? >> well, you think about an organization that was very much in the top in bin laden's days, they sort of ran everything. they wanted to approve

everything. and they sent out the mandates. they sent out the instructions to their minions who then car carried out whatever operations bin laden believed were appropriate. since we have been having success over the years both the previous administration and this one in taking out leadership there and the second-tier leadership, it's become a much flatter organization. that's where we see al qaeda d taking on importance, that's where we see activities with al shabaab taking on importance because you have cells who are smaller entities who have the exact same agenda. it's not like they're changing, but they have more authority to enact operations on their own. so they're not going away. we shouldn't think we're going to win this war on terror anytime soon, but we're having success in changing the way they do operations, and that makes it more difficult for them. >> let me ask you this about al qaeda. in this particular case, we have

captured a high-level al qaeda leader. we have him in custody somewhere in libya. what can we expect to learn from him? >> well, color me cynical, but i don't think we expect to learn much from him at all, frankly, at this point. i'll tell you why, because a few years back, the administration basically told al qaeda and all extremists out there exactly what we can and can't do. the administration basically said, we are limited in our interrogation efforts as to the u.s. field army manual. good luck. i couldn't break my teenage daughter using the guidelines. you know the serious players all began reading the field manual. they're perfectly aware of what we can and can't do when we pick somebody up for interrogation. and not only that, but shortly after being picked up, it appears as if by all accounts, he was read his rights.

you can imagine howconfused someone like al libi is. >> well, thank you so much for weighing in. both of these groups will be learning a lot more over the next couple days. great to see you, mike. >> thank you. jamie, the two raids are being called a victory on our war on terrorism, but northern africa has recently seen increased violence from jihadist and islamist terrorists. libya and somalia especially have become growing havens and a growing movement. the government clashes almost daily with this cells. what does this mean for our security here at home? joining us is former united states ambassador to the united nations, john bolton, who is also a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. good morning. >> good morning. >> with these raids, is it fair to say africa has in a sense become the new afghanistan, the

home of islamist terrorism? >> i think it's certainly an area where al qaeda and its afiltiates have been growing. in somalia, anarchy for 25 years, and this is a real menace. that's why this raid today in retaliation for the al shabaab seizure of the shopping mall in nigeria is so important. we may not have gotten the person we wanted, but it took place just shortly after a week after the attack in nairobi. i think it is a signal that when we've got a determination to act, we can still act quickly. with respect to the capture of al libi in tripoli, there's some real significance here to getting somebody we've been after for 15 years. it really recalls the killing of osama bin laden two years ago. ten years in preparation and

planning to get osama bin laden. 15 years to get al libi. it shows we still have the capacity to do it. a lot more significance there. >> remember the israeli raid in the '60 that snatched aikman off the streets, captured him and brought him back to israel to face justice? we're told he may come to new york and face justice here where they're having the trials dealing with the 1998 bombings of the embassy in africa. >> there are two aspects, the first is the capture of al libi himself. at least of this morning, the government of libya is complaining we didn't give them advance notice. perhaps we told them as it was happening. this was the use of an armed force inside another country without their permission. picking up somebody who was in that country and taking them away, somewhere, where we don't know at this point. you know, in the bad old dayoffs the bush administration, that was called rendition. and president obama campaigned

against rendition, described it as a recruiting tool for al qaeda. so i'm glad that the obama administration has now overcommits overcom overcome its opposition to rendition, but more importantly, going forward, we have gone back in a time machine. the administration apparently wants to under the indictment issued against al libi after the embassy bombings, they want to try him in a federal court. that's exactly the wrong thing to do. this is the ideology of the obama administration looking alt this through a law enforcement perspective when we should be looking at it at the law of war perspective. >> they would say there have been successful cases that have been carried out in the civilian court, and i expect them to come here and go through that. >> every once in a while, but

gathering evidence of these terrorist attacks is not the same as gathering evidence of a bank robbery in new york, number one. number two, the terrorist bombings of the embassies were heinous crimes, but to be able to interrogate somebody like al li libi, 15 years of knowledge of what kietd kide has been up to, could save more lives or give us a base of information. that takes a long time. this is not the question of a day or two. this man ought to be in gitmo for years under interrogation, but i'm afraid perhaps the fbi hostage rescue team has read them his miranda rights. perhaps he's already gotten a lawyer, in which case, we'll learn next to nothing. >> we'll go through that again. then finally the war on terrorism and the fact you have two british girls who were blinded by acid in zanzibar, and it creases and increases, in 2002, the islamic attack on a

hotel owned by the israelis and they tried to shoot down a boeing 747. how do we get a handle on the groups that threaten us and our families and grow in africa? >> first thing you have to do is acknowledge we're still in a growing war on terrorism. al qaeda and its unholy affiliates and subsidiaries are growing. the threat of terrorism continues to expand. in north africa, somewhat oversimplified, but there's a seam across the northern part of the continent between the suherrsuhai saharan muslim world and christian world, radicals, terrorists, taking across the board. in libya, in sudan, in egypt, and in tunisia. this war is not getting smaller. it's getting larger, and we need a strategy starting with

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to talk to chris wallace right now because he husband a very special show. the u.s. once again creeping up on its debt limit. can you believe it's happening in the same time we're in the midst of a government shutdown. will they get a deal before the october 18th looming deadline? jack lew weighing in. >> open the government. we're now going into the second week of the government shutdown. it's causing real damage. every day, people who thought it was okay to shut the government down, they're describing why it's a problem.

congress needs to do its job. >> you say you refuse to negotiate over a debt solution. >> it's congress's job to pass a budget. they have to pass a budget. >> are you saying the president won't negotiate? >> he wants to negotiate. >> joining me now, as he does every sunday, chris wallace. that's not even all you have on the show. we'll get to that in a second. i want to ask you, how can jack lew say that it's exclusively or i think he said it's solely congress's job and at the same time, he said the president is willing to help and meet, but he hasn't? >> well, two points there, and you just got a flavor of it. it really is worth watching this interview because it's quite a contentious interview, and i think, actually, it keys in on one of the main points here, jamie, and that is for the first week, most of the heat has been on republicans for their decision to link funding the

government to changes in obama care. i think they've gotten a lot of hits on that. i think it's beginning to turn now, the narrative is, and you'll see more focus on the president's refusal to negotiate. the president and jack lew saying congress has never put conditions, never threatened a sh shutdown. the fact is the government had to raise the debt limit, and congress is the one that votes to raise the debt limit. 53 times since 1978. 27 of those, more than half, there have been conditions attached by republican congress to democrats presidents, oftentimes completely unrimented to the budget. this idea that something is unprecedented in congress tying the strings to raising the debt limit is wrong. what is unprecedented is a president refusing to negotiate. >> the treasure secretary is telling you we need to pay our bills and the president is saying it's congress's --

actually, he was more specific in his speech last week, republicans allowing to pay bills for things we already bought, but we don't have the money. that's why obama care seems to come in, because it's very expensive. no talk of spending cuts, though, right? >> not yet. the republicans would like to make that part of it, and in fact, they have talked about a compromise where they would relax some of the immediate, automatic spending cuts under the sequester in return for long-term spending cuts and debt reduction under entitlement reform. the main point is the president is saying, we're not going to negotiate. you threatened to default the government in 2011 so you have to pass a clean bill, no strings attached. if the opposite of clean is dirty, there have been a number, 27, as i say, dirty crs. and by a margin of 4 to 1, democratic congresses have insists on dirty crs and only

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well, syria seems to be sticking toids word so far. u.n. inspectors already beginning to destroir their chemical weapons stock pile. the arsenal and all of the machines that produce it are being carefully exposed of. officials couldn't tell us specifically what was destroyed so far. the agreement to dismabtal syria's chemical weapons program came after the august attack when more than 1,400 people were killed, including hundreds of children. all of the weapons are expected to be destroyed by the middle

ofthex year. well, it's one of the biggest wins in the war on terror since the killing of osama bin laden. last night's daring american raid in libya that captured a man on the fbi's most wanted list for more than a decade. the major terror suspect abu anosal libi has had a $500,000 bounty on his head and walking around free until we got him yesterday in tripoli. before we learn more about the man behind the u.s. embassy bombings in 1998, killed 228 people in kenya and tanzania and started america's war on terror. what can you tell us about al libi? >> ahead of the twin embassy bombings in 1998, the 49-year-old suspected terrorist is believed to have helped scope out the american embassy in

nairobi, kenya, kriblted some kind of photographic surveillance to that attack's mastermind. his motivation at that time was reported to be anger about american forces on a peace-keeping mission in somalia. after the bombings that killed 224 people, authorities were his trail. at one point, raiding an apartment in london where he had been granted political asylum. inside, they found a terror training manual with very detailed instructions, basically providing a how-to guide for committing jihad. he was then indicted in 2000 by a court in the southern district of new york on an indictment that was his name among many co conspirators including osama bin laden who is at the top of the list, and he is expected to return to new york for his trial. as for where he is right now, we know he is alive and that american authorities are saying at this hour he's being laufrly detained under the law of war in a secure location somewhere outside libya. >> all right, peter, we'll see

when he comes here for trial. >> i've heard an awful lot of coughing and sneezing here. flu season is definitely coming. if you have a sore throat, antibiotics? maybe not. the doctors' sunday housecall, next. well, did you know the ancient pyramids were actually a mistake? uh-oh. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know.

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