go for it! >> they're going to have a slightly funny wedding video than most couples. that's it for this edition of "media buzz." like us on facebook. continue the conversation online. we are back here next sunday morning 11:00 eastern with more "buzz." fox news alert. brand-new details this hour about the units that were behind two daring terror raids in africa. the first one we now learned is carried out by the delta force ending with the capture of a top al qaeda leader with american blood on his hands. al libi. terrorist and master mind behind the 1998 u.s. embassy bombings in east africa. reportedly being detained on a ship at sea where we're told he's expected to be held for up to several weeks. hi, everybody. i'm jamie colby. great to have you with us for this new hour. >> absolutely. hello, everyone. i'm eric shawn on this sunday. welcome to a brand-new hour of america's news headquarters.

that second strike in somalia targeted a high level leader of al shabaab. that's a terrorist group that was behind the deadly mall attack in kenya last month. al shabaab says the u.s. raid failed to nab the suspect. despite that, secretary of john kerry in indonesia says the raid sent a message of american resol t resolve to the world. >> we hope this makes clear the united states of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conduct acts of terror. and those members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can run, but they can't hide. >> do these raids now put africa in the forefront of our terror fight? national security correspondent jennifer griffin live in washington with the latest on both missions. hi, jennifer. >> hi, eric. fox news learned it was u.s. army delta force operators who

captured abu anas al libi. in libya, delta force operators surrounded the vehicle of this man. abu anas al libi, who's now being held onboard a u.s. ship at sea. the top al qaeda operative was indicted in the southern district of new york, wanted by the u.s. government for more than a decade for his role in the east africa bombings. al libi's family says he had just pulled up to his house after morning prayers when he was nabbed by what we now know were delta force commandos. pentagon press secretary george little issued the following statement. quote, as the result of a u.s. counterterrorism operation, abu anas al libi is currently lawfully detained by the u.s. military in a secure location outside of libya. >> al libi was wanted for 15 years. i wish he was being tried in guantanamo rather than the southern district of new york.

>> u.s. officials tell fox libi will eventually be tried in the u.s. but could be held and interrogated for weeks before being turned over to u.s. law enforcement. he will not be sent to guantanamo bay. libi is alleged to have done surveillance on the u.s. embassies before the 1998 bombings. he hid in britain and iran following the attacks. the operation in somalia carried out by s.e.a.l. team 6 was designed to capture the master mind of another more recent east africa attack at the kenya mall. at least one somali was killed after a fire fight broke out according to u.s. military sources. the s.e.a.l.s could not retrieve the body to make a positive identification, we're told. there were multiple al shabaab targets at the villa. in libya government officials are now complaining they were not told about u.s. plans to carry out this commando raid against abu anas al libi. fox learned the president signed off on the two operations at the end of september, eric. >> jennifer, we can thank the brave members of our military

who carried these out, of course. jennifer, thank you. how special do you really have to be to be part of those special forces? how are they trained for missions like these? joining me is lieutenant colonel bill cowen, retired united states marine corps and fox news military analyst. colonel, always good to have you here. >> thanks, jamie. pleasure to be with you. >> you must be pretty proud of these two operations. what does it take? >> jamie, first off, i'm exceptionally pleased to see that delta force, our army special ops guys, finally got their day in the sunlight here. like s.e.a.l. team 6 they represent the very best that the military has to offer. we have men and women who want to be in those units who try to join them or who are nominated to go to a unit like that. they go through a lengthy process of screening. they go through a selection process which is as demanding both mentally, physically and emotionally, as any training for anything in the world. when you make it through that pipeline, you come out the other end, your work is just beginning. now you go into constant

repetitive training cycles again and again and again. occasionally you're called on a mission. of course, during iraq and afghanistan we have a lot of missions. but these two missions that were just run, particularly for the delta guys, our great missions. i agree with secretary kerry. maybe we didn't get our guy. we sure sent a message out there that's going to strike fear in the rest of those people we're hunting. >> that was my next question, really. we don't really know what was accomplished and what wasn't. you know, al shabaab is the one that's claiming we didn't get our targets. we'll have to wait and see what our government tells us. in the meantime, the information that can be obtained by somebody who is captured from al qaeda now held on a ship from what we hear. how valuable is that? >> well, it'll be okay. but, look, i think it's important to remember that all of these guys, i'm sure that includes al libi, know how to resist interrogation techniques that we have. it may prolong a lot of what he

is able to tell us or willing to tell us. you know, the enhanced interrogation techniques like khalid sheikh mohammed had, within a matter of hours, if we were able to do those kinds of things, al libi would be out there talk ing. it's a question of whether he really knows anything these days. i think he's been away from the operation of al qaeda for a while. that doesn't take him off the most wanted terrorist list. we'll get some stuff out of these guys. out of this guy. but it might take a little bit of time. whether any of that stuff that we get is executionable intelligence, operational intelligence, something we could actively use to wrap up more members of al qaeda, remains to be seen. >> the last few times i've been to the pentagon and i've been fortunate enough to meet many of our leaders, our military leaders, and been given whatever information they are able to give me, it keeps pointing to africa. how central is that region of our world right now for terror, and what kind of progress are we making? does this send an important message as you mentioned? >> well, that's a great question, jamie.

because we americans have primarily been focused on iraq and afghanistan for so long. but fortunately our strategic thinkers have recognized for some time that african was going to be an emerging problem for us with respect to terrorist organizations. governments that don't have control over all their areas. somalia is a good example. which has been an unstable area, unstable country for years and years. africa command, africa command which is like some of our other major commands was formed a few years ago. headquarters are still up in germany. nonetheless, we saw forward thinking people looking at africa and saying this is the next great area where our problems are going to come from. we will be out of iraq. we are out of iraq. we'll be out of afghanistan slowly. africa is the emerging place. we've got a lot of force down there primarily trying to train those countries on how to let their forces deal with the al qaeda and other islamist problems that we have in that region. >> are they getting shelter there? or the ability to train there? >> absolutely, jamie. >> if bin laden was able to hide out for all that period of time? >> they absolutely are.

that's in large part because so much of the country down there is unruled. essentially if the government doesn't have access to southern libya, as an example. the guys that attacked us in benghazi are probably down in southern libya now. if you look at areas up in mali where there's an islamist threat. somalia, really there's no real stability in somalia. al shabaab is there. al qaeda affiliates there. that's an enormous amount of land up there that has people running training camps and doing things that are all against america's and the west's best interests. >> hopefully they know now, we know where you are. we'll get you eventually. thanks. lieutenant colonel bill cowen. always a brprivilege, sir. >> thanks, jamie. jamie, now to the shutdown and what could come next. republicans and democrats digging in as the fight over the shutdown continues. of course, they have until october 17th at that ceiling deadline to deal with as well. today top lawmakers and treasury

secretary jack lew again made their positions clear. national correspondent steve centanni live with that in washington. >> hi, eric. after the first week of a government shutdown and with that fight over a debt ceiling looming, there are still no negotiations between the president and congress. of course, each side is blaming the other. house speaker john boehner said today all the president has to do is pick up the phone and start negotiating. boehner says he knows what my number is. but until that happens, boehner says he's uncertain how this fiscal showdown will end. >> i do not want the united states to default on this debt. but i am not going to raise the debt limit without a series conversation about dealing with the problems that are driving the debt up. >> on your own -- >> it would be irresponsible of me to do that. >> but democrats were quick to respond saying all speaker boehner has to do is bring a clean spending bill up for a vote in the house. they say the votes are there. according to to a statement from spokesman from the democratic national committee speaker

boehner would rather keep the government shut to extract demands. what's worse, he's now ready to risk the faith and credit of the united states unless obama care is gutted and other tea party demands are met. boehner's position is reckless and irresponsible. the president's treasury secretary said threats from republicans have to stop. >> congress needs to do its job and we then need to negotiate. the president has taken many steps over the last several years to show his willingness to negotiate. he's done it with democrats saying he's too eager to negotiate. republicans have not come forward and made comparable movements. >> meantime, many of the civilian workers at the pentagon will be heading back to work this week. another 400,000 federal employees remain off the job. eric, back to you. >> steve, it continues. thanks so much. jamie? >> steve, thanks. for more on chris wallace's interview with treasury secretary jack lew tune into "fox news sunday." it airs at 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern only on fox. as we have been reporting, we are now in day six with no

end in sight. another looming deadline is staring us right in the face. only 11 days to go before october 17th when we, of course, are being warned that our government will run out of the money and hit that dreaded debt ceiling. if we do there are warnings of economic catastrophe. as we just heard house speaker john boehner saying he will not let the u.s. government default. this as president obama continues to dig in. the white house saying it will not negotiate the debt ceiling crisis with congress. meanwhile, our debt continues to grow. man, oh man, oh, man, look at that. right up. nearly $17 trillion and growing. even during a shutdown. when will this shutdown end and how do we get our debt under control? republican congressman of indiana is a member of the budget committee and joins us now from indianapolis. congressman, welcome. thanks for joining us today. >> good to be back. >> you think there'll be a deal before we run out of money? >> well, i sure hope so. we're certainly working towards that. but in order to have a deal, in order to come to a resolution

you have to talk. whenever there are serious disagreements, whether it's within your family, eric, or your neighbors or whatever, you can't get to resolution until you talk. and here we have a president and a democratic party that will talk to iran. talk to russia. talk to syria. but they won't talk with fellow americans. and i think that's a huge problem in this in answering your question. >> the house speaker -- sorry to interrupt. the house speaker did go to the white house. they sat for, what, about an hour or so the other day? it's the white house that blames the republicans. >> i don't know what for. we offered four different resolutions to this. we haven't sat down at the negotiating table. there's a process in our constitution for this. it's called a conference committee where both sides in a divided government situation sit down and work it out. we offered four different plans. every time we were told no, no, no and no. my understanding from what

happened inside the white house with the speaker of the house was that he was told no again. no. i mean meaningful talk. not just so you can go out to the camera and beat up the other side over the head. and say that you had a meeting. >> how do we get to that point? >> we have to have leadership. >> both sides -- the speaker apparently, according to reports, could be working on a stopgap spending bill. maybe cobbling together, what, the 200 democrats and 20 republicans or so to get this thing open again. do you think that will happen? >> well, yeah, if we wanted to be rolled over. here you got to understand. we have a right, we have a duty under the constitution in the house of representatives to control the pursestrings. to decide, in fact, what gets funded and what doesn't get funded. that is what our job is. and so when you -- if you don't believe that, if you don't understand that part of the constitution, then we have a problem here. by the way, i don't have any idea while the democratic party and the president and harry reid, why they want to keep beating up on certain members of

our society called tea party. which, by the way, whether you go to a tea party meeting or not, if you believe in the constitution, if you believe in spending cuts and not putting more on your plate in the here and now so your kids don't have to pay for it later, then you're a tea partier. that's all these folks want. that's all these folks believe. by the way, i think it's a large section of america. to have the dnc or whoever it was in the last segment keep putting out press releases saying -- just denigrating another section of america i don't think is good politics. it's certainly not right. >> as you know, the tea party, its members -- you were elected with their help. they're getting a lot of the blame. where do we go? let's take a look at some possibilities that are being discussed now to try and solve this. any deal if there is a deal to cut spending, could there be a dollar for dollar cut for every hike? >> yeah. >> what about obama care and that medical tax? >> sure. >> medicaid, social security slowing the growth there. a means test on medicare. long term tax changes.

what, congressman, do we do? >> i think that can all be on the table. i think it's important for your viewers to realize and for us to remember that the continuing resolution is on the discretionary side of the budget. it's about funding really only about 40% of the government. just like your social security checks are still going out. just like medicare services are still being provided. 67% of that, where those services and that money comes from, is what we call mandatory spending. this continuing resolution or this cr that has caused the shutdown business is only about 40% of the budget. what's driving oury we're hitting the debt ceiling which is to come in a few weeks is because of this mandatory spending. you're right. anything -- if these two issues, the cr and the debt ceiling are conflating into one, we're going to raise the debt ceiling, we have got to do some things to pay down that debt. what is driving that debt. if we just keep raising it without correcting the problem, we're just leaving the children

of tomorrow with our bills. that is immoral. i can't really think of anything more un-american. that requires leadership. that requires everyone to understand what we're doing to people who don't yet exist. >> finally -- >> any -- >> i'm sorry. we're out of time. briefly and finally, what happens? october 17th is not that far away. >> well, i still believe that there is leadership to be found in washington. i continue to look for it. i continue to try to work with it. and i think hopefully cooler heads will prevail, will realize that we are americans here. we have to protect the children of tomorrow. and we have to reform the drivers of our debt, eric. i'm still hopeful and optimistic that that will happen. >> all right. congressman, much more on the debt later on in this newscast today. a very important issue. congressman todd rokita from indianapolis. thank you so much. member of the budget committee. >> thank you, eric. coming up, some new details on the beating of a new york city driver by a group of bikers. as one of the men that is

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government shutdown, plrall right. republicans and democrats are trying to gauge the political fallout that will inevitably come from the american people. time will tell which party receives the bulk of the blame. a fox news poll is showing a staggering 81% of registered voters disapprove of congress in general. so can both parties get it together in time to reach a budget deal before that debt limit deadline appears on october 17th? joining me now to talk about a fair and balanced, brad blakeman, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush. democrat national committee member debbie dingle. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> good to be with you. >> debbie, how do democrats plan to retain their seats? by blaming republicans as they have? with coming up with a new

strategy? or getting the president to the table? >> i think quite frankly if you're under the cocoon of washington, d.c., and you're back home, people want to elect people that are going to work to solve the nation's problem. i think democrats have said let's put a clean resolution on the floor. let's vote for it. let's work together. i think they're tired of the finger pointing. i think that's what this poll does show. i think that when next november election comes around they're going to look and vote for people that they think are going to work to make the country work. >> brad, those congressional approval numbers overall continue to drop. at this point, if the election midterm next year would happen today, i bet a lot of people would be concerned for their seats. >> there's no question about it. i think incumbents certainly have a lot to worry about. but having said that, historically in the last few years, congress's numbers have not been very good besides the shutdown. they've had a challenge that goes back far beyond the current

crisis. because we've been dealing with crisis after crisis. remember, we haven't had a budget since this president has been president. we continue to move from one created crisis to the next. i think the president has the most to lose. because of his failed leadership. the buck stops with the president. there have been 17 government shutdowns since the time of president ford. nobody remember who is the speaker was. nobody remembered who led the congress. but they do know that it was under the president's watch. i think he has ultimately the most to lose and he is the head of the democratic party. >> what's the impact, debbie, if the debt ceiling is raised? how does america interpret that when many people have had to learn to live on a budget or been unemployed for so long. >> the reality is that debt ceiling needs to be raised. if it is not we are going to forfeit on our debt and the impact to americans across the country is going to put us into a potential financial crisis that's going to make what happened five years ago look not serious. i disagree respectfully with brad. because i think that the

president has been trying to lead. and right now people are focused on the fact that republicans have had a vote on affordable care bill 40 times that are trying to block this bill. people have to come together. republicans and democrats. and work together. and i will tell you there's a difference right now. i've been out there. they're tired. they're tired of crisis. crisis management. they're tired of people just blocking it. they want to see people start to solve the problems. we have a budget problem in this country. we need republicans and democrats to come to the table and say, okay, what can we eliminate? how do we reduce cost? the crisis and throwing us into crisis and increasing our costs, getting credit ratings impacted, stock market going gown is not t -- down is not the answer to this. >> brad? >> the president can lead us out of this crisis by saying he will negotiate in good faith. a president that last saturday was out on the golf course on the eve of a shutdown when the senate was not sitting doing their job on sunday speaks

volumes as to the -- as to the impetus by which the president gives to the work he's charged in doing. he's trying to tell us the sky is going to fall. it doesn't look like the sky is going to fall if the president's out leisurely having a golf game. what he should be doing is calling the leadership of congress to the white house. not to have a meeting for a photo op but nobody gets out without a deal. now i believe there will not be a continuing resolution deal without now a debt ceiling. because the time is butting up against each other. now we have to have a global deal. not only on the debt ceiling, but the continuing resolution because we don't have a budget. big, big tall order. it's not going to get solved unless all parties negotiate in good faith. >> the chances of that -- >> brad's right. all parties have to be willing to negotiate. the fact of the matter is that there are votes right now to continue this government. we've got 200 democrats that have indicated publicly that they will. there are 35 republicans that have said, including john mccain, senator coburn from

oklahoma, one of the most conservative senators, have all said this is not the way to run the government. all john boehner has to do is put that bill on the floor and there will be enough votes in the house and senate to run this government again. the president is showing leadership. republicans are trying to run this government by putting obstacle on obstacle over -- how many times can you vote down the vote on the affordable care act? the american people want an answer to health care. >> all right. it's even more complicated than that. we'll see what happens this week. >> yes, it is. >> i appreciate both of you weighing in on both sides. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> eric? jamie, the government shutdown has hit one of the most iconic and sacred military cemeteries. those from d day. and the brave war dead who headed into nazi fire on utah, omaha, and the other beaches in normandy. >> reporter: these beaches and some heavy german artillery were no match for brave u.s. soldiers. as they fought their way onshore

in normandy, france, on d-day 1944. but in 2013 waves of americans are being turned away at the normandy american cemetery and memorial. over 9,300 u.s. troops killed on d-day and after are buried here on land deeded by france to the u.s. there are some 50 employees on staff. washington pays their salaries. and so thousands of miles from washington, this place, too, is a victim of the government shutdown. american tourists, including many veterans, who had planned for months or years for the visit are very disappointed. >> we come all the way to visit this place. this place of honor. you can't even get in. >> we flew from pennsylvania. this is a big part of the trip. now it's over. >> you'd like to get in. >> i'd love to get in. >> probably my closest friend growing up, his father gave his life here. >> 69-year-old steve boettcher from denver, colorado, like many others here came on a personal mission to pay his respects. a veteran of the navy in vietnam he has his own views on what is

happening. >> should the spirit that was shown here many years ago maybe be shown more in d.c.? >> these guys all died for the freedoms we've got. now we can't get in to pay our respects to them. where is that now? where is that? where is that ethic? >> reporter: the temporary closing of the american cemetery in france is sparking more political debate about what should be done in washington. >> they've lost touch with what -- with what the basics were and what these people gave and what sacrifice really is, you know. >> reporter: some blame congress. >> it's time they get voted out of there. >> reporter: some blame president obama. >> if ronald reagan was in the white house this would not be going on. >> reporter: some just want the problem solved. >> i do hope the politicians back in washington pull themselves together and get the problem solved quickly. >> reporter: local french people can't believe the cemetery is closed either. including those in this nearby cafe. they and many of their relatives benefited from the valor of americans who risked and gave their lives years ago. there is no reason for this place to be closed, this man

says. it shows no respect for the military. respect is at the moment being shown at other cemeteries in the area. including one honoring soldiers killed on d-day and afterwards fighting for nazi germany. >> we're going to do our own sneak attack. >> reporter: all this prompting some of those shut out americans to plot their own only slightly tongue in cheek modern day normandy landing to make their way into the cemetery to pay their respects. it's getting late here now. the american cemetery memorial would normally be closed. with the government shutdown it will be closed for the foreseeable future. a lot of people here are hoping that will change. in normandy france, fox news. >> i'm glad we told that story. >> what an amazing place. everyone has to go. >> absolutely. at least once. the government is still battling over the budget. our nation's date is growing by the second. and one group now says they have the solution to stop our

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new details on the anti-terror raid in libya. and the man wanted by the fbi for 15 years now in custody. abu anas al libi only had a $5 million bounty on his head for a suspected role in the 1998 embassy bombings in east africa that killed 220 people. and marked the beginning of al qaeda's war against us. al libi was nabbed on the streets of trip roli overnight d said to be detained on a ship at scene.

david vitter, member of the senate armed services committee joins us from new orleans. it's a big win for us against them and the war on terror, isn't it? >> absolutely. very significant capture. both of these events, libya and somal somalia, remind us first of all of the great bravery of our special forces, other personnel on the front line. secondly, remind us that we are at war against a very dangerous enemy. sometimes over time i think we tend to forget. but this is a war. >> you know, that's a very good point. we have thankfully not had an attack. we had 9/11 and the boston bombings, of course. but the president of kenya, kenyatta, he said it's a, quote, international war. and they're just part of it. do you agree? >> yes, it is a world war against islamic jihad and fundamentalism and terrorism. and i think we, again, need to use these instances to remind ourselves of the danger and the threat and that this is a war, not just some criminal justice

matter. >> you're a member of the senate armed services committee. what's fascinating about these raids, s.e.a.l. team 6, we're told, in one in somalia and delta force in libya just snatching the guy off the street, grabbing him. just absolutely amazing. do you see this as the future of what we have to face in other countries, sending these teams in like we did with osama bin laden and they've done it many times, that's how we can finally try to beat these guys? >> absolutely. eric, we can't get rid of our more traditional aspects of the military. clearly over time these sortings of special forces operations and capability are becoming ever more important. that's a clear trend. there's no end in sight. >> can you fund these more? what's going to happen? $20 billion or so supposed to go out of the defense department budget next year? >> yeah. that's a concern of mine. under sequestration, although defense is about 18% of the budget, it gets 50% of the cuts. along with most conservatives, i would like to change that. we can keep the same top line numbers.

we can save just as much money or more. but i don't think at 18% of the budget defense should get 50% of the cuts. the good news is after next year overall, sequestration gets easier. but next year is sort of a particularly difficult year. >> speaking of sequestration, and the budget, the shutdown. day six. it continues. you've got that looming october 17th coming up. some in washington pointing to your amendment called the vitter amendment that maybe could open up this thing. that would get rid of the subsidies that folks like yourself, members of congress and their staff, get for obama care. what do you think is going to happen to that? could it pass? could that be an answer to this continuing shutdown? >> well, right now i'm continuing to fight to just get a vote. to fight to get a vote. when we get a vote, i think we'll make huge strides and probably pass it. but harry reid is scared to death about this. that's why he's blocking a vote. eric, i don't have any crystal ball. i don't know if it could be the key to solving the overall impasse.

but it's something we should do. what rule one of american democracy should be that washington is treated the same as america. what washington passes for america, it lives with itself. sort of like a restaurant. if the cook isn't eating at the restaurant, something's wrong. that should be rule one of democracy. >> but the democrats and the white house blame you guys, the republicans, as jihadists and hostage takers. >> again on this no washington exemption from obama care issue, president obama and harry reid are the leading opponents of that. again, i think the message from the american people is clear. there should be the same rums for everybody. whether we're talking about obama care or anything else. that's what the whole new washington exemption from obama care language and amendment that i'm pushing is about. hopefully that can be part of some final resolution. >> senator, we'll see what happens as it continues. maybe you should take that saints helmet behind you.

put it on your head. >> absolutely. going right home to watch them against the cubs -- the bears. >> all right, senator. thanks so much for joining us as always. a look now beyond the news. in today's headlines about the raids in libya and somalia, sunday commentary on america's larger middle eastern policy. >> it's easy to forget the world and its affairs when your country seems to have lost its collective mind. whatever happened to iran and its smiling new president, hassan rouhani? what about syria, israel and egypt? the hard answer is that the outlook of the middle east is grim. not dire enough to rip at the public's attention or cure the media's obsession with the dithering republican party. briefly, the quiet muse is that more than ever before young men armed with heavy weapons and a romantic dream of waging jihad are streaming into al qaeda and

its affiliates throughout africa and the middle east. it's an alphabet soup of jihadi groups vying for providence. medieval references like repelling the crusaders, americans, that is, have not gone out of style. and the murderous muslim rabble is closer to worldwide jihad than ever before. they've caught us when we're down. weary of war. tired of strange names that translate only into more war. worst of all, the machinery of government is stalled while they stalk soft targets. syria especially would make just a dandy step toward the ultimate goal of establishing the califate. a muslim state governed by sharia law. the last tis solved with the ot ottoman empire in 1924 or so we thought. this past week even as our veterans were fighting their way past barricades to see the world

war ii memorial, the house foreign affairs committee was hearing testimony about the rise of another modern menace. al shabaab. it was al shabaab, a child of al qaeda, that cut down more than 60 people peacefully shopping at a mall in nairobi. the committee heard testimony about the group's agenda to recruit young somali men to their cause in places like phoenix and minneapolis. according to the u.s. census, more than 32,000 people of somali ancestry live in minnesota. and local leaders say the true number is even higher. escaping civil war, many landed on our shores in the 1990s. over seas, jihad is thriving. if the arab spring accomplished anything for al qaeda and their franchises, it created a caverns now free fire zone where terrorists crossed borders with

immunity and run them up to fulfill their quota of bloodshed. our record is not good. no need at this point to dwell on the madness of iraq and our in. we mourn our dead even as we scorn the politics of an administration that led us to our confused and feckless policy in the middle east. the threats remain amorphous and often secret. when the government closes down 19 american embassies and consulates as it did last august, it demands attention. all we know is that while our leaders trade sound bites and posture about the budget, the enemy, yes, the enemy, grows bolder. the great british writer and christian apoll gist g.k. chesterton left a body of observations about the muslim world. he spoke of a void in the heart of islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it.

the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse as y unique as the end of the world. it's hahn by to keep chesterton in mind as each day brings tales of the widening campaign against the west. the knife fighting within factions of the al qaeda organization may in the end take them down. but not until they strike another blow at the homeland that makes history. will anyone in washington take notice? >> coming up we'll have some developments in that case that is every driver's nightmare. you know, those bikers chasing that suv through the streets of new york city. the driver beaten, right in front of his family. there are new twodevelopments i this case. we'll bring them to you coming up.

back to the government shutdown and what is to come. the debt ceiling deadline is staring us down. there's one group, though, that says our debt is even worse than we think. websites like fixthedebt.org are fighting to get federal spending under control by looking at how it exploded. check this out. in the 1980s the group points out the debt ranged from just under $1 trillion to $3 trillion. the next decade is doubled to $6 trillion. since then as you can see here's their chart. it has tripled to just under $17 trillion. what do they say we can do? joining me now is former

republican senator tim hutchenson from arkansas. you have 16699. it's even grown since then, senator. welcome. but you have a plan. and we'd love to hear about it. >> jamie, first of all, i was there during the '95-'96 shutdown. i remember well, there's some similarities. there was a passionate freshman class that came in determined to balance the budget. even if it meant shutting down the government. this time we've got a passionate freshman class that wants to repeal obama care, defund obama care, even if it meant shutting down the government. there's one very big difference. i recall there was a lot of communication and a lot of negotiation going on. newt gingrich came to me and he said, tim, you know, you know the president. you worked with him in arkansas. how do i negotiate with this guy? how do i work with him? my point is they were talking. they were negotiating. that's what we don't see happening now. so we have a looming debt limit.

we've got the shutdown of the government. these are conflating. it's an opportunity. and the opportunity is to do genuine entitlement reform. make a grand deal. do a grand bargain. because we can squeeze, we can sequester till we're blue in the face. it's not going to solve this great threat to the republic, a $17 trillion national debt, until we deal with our entitlement spending. >> senator, if the president, as he has made very clear, will not budge on health care overhaul, his plan, and he -- even if he sits down and talks more, what is it that both sides could talk about that could actually change this? >> it is, in fact -- it is the entitlement reform. in some ways i think the attention on repealing obama care has distracted us from this -- this looming tragedy, this calamity for the nation, which is threatened by the national debt.

this is what could bring them together. something good could actually come out of what has been a very sad, bad situation. you know, even a smoke filled room would look pretty good right now if they were talking with each other. and i think there's common ground on entitlement reform that we just must do. and this is an opportunity to do it. >> i have 15 seconds left. debt ceiling, should it be raised? must it be raised? >> it absolutely should be raised, but it's not unusual to attach the policy change with the debt ceiling increase. the president should be willing to negotiate that and do something good out of this crisis. >> thank you for joining us. we can check out the website as well. >> jamie, we're continuing to follow that case of road rage that's getting all this attention nationwide. there's some new developments we'll tell you about straight ahead. tends to stay in motion.

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35-year-old robert simms appeared before a judges last night in connection with the videotaped attack between a group of bikers and the driver of that suv, the criminaling complaint says simms can be seen in a video along with five or six bikers attacking liam. investigators say simms as seen here trying to open the driver's side door of the suv. simms' lawyer says he thinks his client did nothing illegal and nypd is trying to charge all of the bikers. meanwhile the nypd also charged 37-year-old reginald chance last night. chance used his helmet to smash in the driver's side window of the suv. chance is being charged with assault, attempted assault and criminal mischief. the driver of the suv has not been charged.

he can be seen driving over one of the bikers has not been charged. this is an ongoing investigation and have released this photo of a person of interest. meanwhile, there is an internal affairs investigation into whether an undercover nypd who witnessed the attack and failed to report it. >> folks hope they nab every suspect. have a great day, everybody, great to have you here. we're going to send you to washington where the news continues and it starts for you right now. have a great day. >> take care. it's not bad for canned soup, right? pfft! [ laughs ] you nearly had us there. canned soup. [ male announcer ] they just might think it's homemade. try campbell's homestyle soup.

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