>> >> republicans want to party since 1995. >> 800,000 government workers furloughed. >> em barbarrassing reality, government shout down. how will america survive? >> it could put them at risk. >> it is pathetic. it is not responsible. >> nancy pelosi says it is cut to the bone. >> there are cuts more cuts to . >> the cupboard is bear? >> it is filled with stuff. >> government cupboards overflowed. i will show you what should be

cut because so much of what government does is unnecessary. >> did you notice the government shut downs? >> no. i didn't notice anything. >> just shut it. that's our show. >> and now john stossel. >> just shut it? that's a rude idea so people tell me. most of the government continues to operate it. >> more people even politicians might realize, we don't need all of this stuff. america is going broke we have to cut it now permanently. i am probably dell lewding myself given what i read in the media and politicians but not from senator mike lee. you said you kick started the

obama karimovment which led to the shut down and you are proud of it. you don't think this partial shut down is a bad thing? >> it is unfortunate we had to get to the shut down in the first place. we should never be in a position you have to fund all of government in order to fund any of government. it shouldn't be an all or nothing proposition. historically it hasn't been. for the last four and a half years we have been operating on the basis of continuing resolutions which is an all or nothing funding operation which kept the government running. it makes no sense to do it that way especially in a time we are extending government. it is hurting americans. >> i don't want to talk about

the procedure tonight. you are saying it is not a teaching moment. people might wake up and say gee 3.7 trillion do we need to spend all that? >> it is a legitimate question when we look at the fact that we have nearly a quarter out of every dollar that moves through the american economy taken up by the federal government that is kind of a problem a big problem when you have people working months out of each year just to pay the federal taxes to say nothing of the tax burdens. the when government becomes this much of a part of this many people's lives we have good reason to worry about that. it ought to be an opportunity for us to examine the type we want. >> you are being trashed i think bernie gold burg is going to echo it saying it is still strategy you can't get rid of the affordable care act that has been passed. the president says it is the law that is passed the supreme court

ruled it constitutional. it is settled it is here to stay. james madison said it is most important power we are giving to congress and if they pass a law they hadn't read nancy pelosi said they will have to pass it it seems reasonable congress should be able to say we have read it now we are not going to be able to fund this thing. >> first of all, they will remember there are lots of programs authorized that don't end up getting funded. it is not uncommon for congress to pass a law and not decide to fund it later. it is also important to remember when the president and others say this is the law so we have to follow it we have to fund it. that ignores the fact that the president is refusing to fund the law and repeatedly rewritten the law without constitutional authority to do that. the as to the supreme couuphold

it. >> they have the shrinking government anything that is noticeable during the shut down and hype it. >> how would a shut down affect you? even the national zoo would close. >> the statue of liberty would have a closed sign. the last time that happened is because of a hurricane. this time because of republican ideology. >> about a month ago a baby panda was born at the zoo. they will slash the zoo's operation by puts the panda at risk. >> they oppose any effort to shrink or control the growth of government. there are a few exceptions. i am happy you are helping us have the conversation with the american people. the american people overall understand one thing clearly which is obama care is putting them in a great state of uncertainty with regard to their job security. i have to ask the question how many more americans will have to lose their jobs or have the hours cut or have their wages

slashed or lose access to health insurance as 20,000 home depot employees recently did. they will step in and protect them from the law. >> here is one thing that is valid criticism. it is totally wrong. >> they act like they are bold people they will cut the government. you know what? this is 2k3w09ment. most of it goes to defense medicaid and social security these big tough guys have not put any of the items on the table. you big tough guy i think he has a point. >> it is important we emphasize in obama care we have an enormous amount of mandatory spending entitlement spending that is about to kick in. this is another increase. another turn in the one way ratchet of expanding government

that is about to kick in. that's what we are trying to prevent is expanding our entitlement state that already many are saying is unsustainable as it already is even before they get to obama care. the least we can do to protect the american people is to protect them from more expansion of more governments we can't afford. >> thank you senator lee. >> now i am told shutting down government is perfect for the economy not paying government workers chopped something off of gdp. government workers are the customers of every business in this country. the economists say the opposite is true. the shut down could be good for america. >> let's get perspective here. if this he laid off workers and toys and happy meals we wouldn't say mcdonald shut down.

the u.s. government hasn't shut down when people get their paychecks the irs is stealing some of the wages. i got frisked to see you by the tsa. the nsa is probably still listening to our phone calls and this is hardly a shut down. >> it is a step in that direction especially if the public realizes their life didn't change that much. maybe we can make this shut down permanent. >> president owe combam ma says we need to do that helping farmers make a modest prophet. >> farmers should be able to make the profit otherwise they shouldn't be farmers. the short term people are going to have adjustments. they got out of this line people would adjust them and rely on

themselves through voluntary transactions not the government to get things done. >> last time the government shut down bother parties agreed it was a terrible thing. >> never ever shut the government down. >> they applauded. >> of course the government doesn't like the government to shut down. because we realize the busy bodies and petty tie ants aren't necessary for our daily lives. the longer it goes on the mourn americans willic with a up to that fact. that is bad for republicans and democrats. >> the stock market did fine this time there hasn't been a crash. >> we have a big intrusive government this shrinks it that should be gad for the economy and the stock market. >> earlier this year the see quester cut 5 percent from

discretionary spending. politicians screamed it would be terrible. >> hurting military xhaunities, hurting middle class families our children, our seniors people who can least support it. the this is what the so-called see quester means. >> if you are watching this show, can you think of one thing in your life that changed after the seek quest sec quester. the other thing you are not noticing is it's not extra debt the government will ring up out of your paychecks. >> i got excited about the lack of extra debt. thought that was a wonderful thing. i thought they were declaring bankruptcy. i was a fool, too. here is a video from the peterson foundation sawing that. >> over the next few decades. >> we are clearly heading toward a crisis.

>> surely it changed the picture more excitedly. >> the seek quester barely makes any difference at all. delays bankruptcy a little. >> we need to make much bigger cuts. there is nothing left to cut. no, there's plenty left to cut. entirely eliminate the deficit would be returning to a budget in reterms about the size it wa when clinton left office. this is entirely an error of government. >> none of them seem to want to talk about entitlements. >> it is putting the fiscal house in order. >> 70 some americans suppose this shut down. >> if i could carry it. >> it is give shut down a chance. >> if americans get used to the fact that they don't negatively

impact their lives hopefully they go in november direction and realize we should shut down government not just a little bit. >> i look at grief totally in the tank. only after riots and months did they do things like reduce, required every business severance pay to one full year. it is trivial. how about we stop collect can taxes or giving liability for taxes and then we will see how popular the shut down gets. >> that is not going to happen. they are going to collect taxes. >> thank you ben powell at the independent institute. i heard this partial shut down he kroo ates hardship in washington, d.c. let's not forget the political class has been doing very well.

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john: what is an essential government worker? >> what's an essential govment worker. >> we have got 4 million some workers they are all essential? >> yeah, most of them. their jobs are very important to them. >> ifsz stunned with several people told me every government job is essential even if it is not needed because it's essential to that worker. so the government shut down partial shut down is a tragedy because it takes jobs away from people. >> they take jobs out of thin air. they don't understand they have a job of their own. it takes money and jobs away from other people the real job creators in the private sector. peach like ex pro football

players. it is possible, it is more clear to me now that you are a business owner because you employ 150 people. big difference between government and the private sector? >> appears to be, right? in the private sector we have to produce every day and it goes to our bottom line. we are playing poker with other people's money. that is scary to me. >> i should make it clear you run to i hop restaurants. in football you lost a couple jobs. >> sure. you learn from that. >> that is what makes sports great. i was cut twice. i have a real self assessment conversation in the mirror with

myself. i had to say i have to get better if i want to keep doing what i am doing. these are the lessons i transfer to the business world. you see it better with the bottom line. >> you sometimes have to fire an employee. >> sure. we tell people i have never fired in i one they fire themselves. i hired you because i think you can do it. you made that decision for me. >> some people go on to other jobs. you look at the private sector all of the companies that announced job cuts. america 16,000, fema 15 now and so on. this goes on all of the time. it is not a big news story but

it if government cuts anybody which they almost never do somehow that's a crisis? >> you never want to see people lose their livelihood. in the real world we are competing. we have competitors. we have to win. we have to stay lean in some sayin situations. the i don't see the federal government leaning against any one. >> government hadz lose -- use it or lose it budgets. sometimes at the end of the year they sometimes waste it. >> i wouldn't say that's unique to the party. i have been on this earth for 41 years now it seems like government it tends to be that way. that is unfortunate. i look at it that way. >> my offerings tried to sign up

for obama care. none of us would be eligible. we wanted to see what it would be libeling. none of us could get through we got the error message or the page wouldn't load. the government business comparison. >> a couple weeks ago apple rolled out a new mobile operating system. within days they found a glitch so they fixed it. i don't remember anybody suggesting apple should stop selling iphones or i pads. >> there is a difference because they still work they have a minor glitch. only in government can you offer something and basically it is not available to people they say it is the same thing. in the private sector you have to do better. >> absolutely or you don't survive. >> i expect it to get better but one of the greatest i have ever seen. >> they are not competing with anybody. they are a government monopoly. >> that is a huge difference. we are competing every day

against other brands. we have to make sure we stay relevant to our customers. these are things that government doesn't really have to worry about. >> where did you learn this? >> i learned a lot of this stuff in football. it is a huelly competitive business. if you want the privilege to be there you have to develop your skills every single day and keep getting better because they are looking for someone better than you. >> coming up the media and the governor. >> the entire country waking up this morning simply an embarrassing reality government shut down. ♪ nothing says, "i'm happy to see you too,"

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>> you notice the government shut down? >> i did. >> what did you notice? >> i noticed it when i saw it on tv. i didn't notice it in any of my activities today>> that's what everyone i asked said except for a future riew tourists who were the statue of liberty was closed. why wasn't it closed? it wasn't close last summer. the current partial shut down is in the crisis. most of us won't miss the thousands furloughed employees at the national labor relations board. good riddens now they can't fore bid boeing to build a factory in south carolina. i don't miss them for suing hooters for not employing more men. i am thrilled fewer government workers are able to cripple the economy. maybe will he it will be a teaching moment that will wake people up to the benefit of less

government. it has to be tough because the media loves big government. they tell us to shut down threatens our fragile economy. there is nothing partisan will trashing selfish extremists that suit down our government. some say the mejia hates republicans that is true they have a slobbering love affair with barack obama. that's the title of bogoldberg' last book. bernie, i think the media have a bigger love affair with government. >> it was nice writing. here's the thing. >> liberals in the media do love

big government. >> the media in general because it is it is much harder happening every where. >> here is what easy to cover in a shut down. you do the predictable cliche mandatory stories about how the panda cam has been taken off-line. we knew we were going to do that. it is a much bigger hand the scenes story that the mainstream media i am talking mostly about television isn't covered. why is president obama being so ob stan nent, why is he being so uncompromising. i think it is because he is the one who wants the shut down. i think he is the one who is rooting for chaos. he is the one who understands

according to all of the polls who will get the lion's share of the blame this is his only way his own hope of winning the house in 2014. then he could fulfill his campaign promise and these are his words, not mine, to fundamentally transform the united states of america. those are my opinions. >> i don't hear any reporting on it. that's true. i don't hear reporting on how congress exempted itself from obama care. >> that's my point. that's my point venlt we will do the easy story about yosemite and the shut down. it is a much more important story that goes to the reason we have a shut down. the shut down is only part one. the president has already indicated he is going to be uncompromising about the much more serious national debt show down that is coming.

look, if i were still a hard news reporter i would go out and find serious political thinkers who are nonpartisan and say you think the president is doing this for political gain? is he willing to throw the american people and the american economy under the bus so he could win the house next year. i think those are legitimate questions. >> i don't think he would be under the bus as we will have chaos as the shut down continues. who knows the majority may be right. one thing that is different is we have alternative media. last shut down we didn't have fox or rush report, reason, bright guard, the blaze. much more, talk radio, twitter, facebook. this if terrible things don't happen and people say ho hum, where are we spending so much on government might be different this time. >> that's right. it might be different because even though i haven't seen in the hard news coverage any -- or at least not much blatant bias.

i mean, the cover of the new york daily news was absolutely despicable. >> that was disgusting. >> disgraceful. >> when i was a kid growing up in new york, i came from a blue collar family my father would bring home the new york daily news every day. it was a solid blue collar tabloid. now it is an embarrassment. the "washington post" headline about federal workers turn to prayer. >> that was over the top. but i don't find the problem really in the hard news, you know, play blatantly taking sides. john, this needs to be said. before this became a media issue it was a political issue. the republicans picked a fight they couldn't win. they went into battle without a battle plan. they went in to battle before the end game. >> i am not sure they could win this battle.

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>> consider where they work. the architecture is grand. >> they didn't know miles per hour much about what went on inside that world. >> you work in washington. >> it is great getting richer all of the time. if you bought a house there a while wag you have been able to ride it up. the great thing in washington is the crisis didn't decline if there was a recession jobs are still there. they are now in the dc region while the median income over the last 12 years it rose 23 percent in dc.

>> you can gibl about income you can look at the discussions or didn't decline in most terms nationwide. the gap there about 30 percent greater than the rest of the country shows you that it isn't just washing toen is richer than the rest of the country it is getting richer every year. they like to talk about gaps all of the time the one percent the 99 percent the achievement gap. here is a gap getting bigger all of the time. >> washington and the rest of america. >> maybe you guys are just smarter and more educated. >> we would like to think that. there are brilliant sign tigss wo -- scientists working in washington not that they are making huge salaries. they are not making bill gates salaries. it is just that all government salaries are pretty good and if you look at comparable levels in education then you find on average federal salaries and

benefits about tuition muas muc as the average salary workers. you can essentially got get worked what kind would i have if i had a guaranteed no cut contract. >> if they shut down people are upset because the media say things like washington runs america. >> that is absolutely right. there was a congressman from georgia a couple days ago who wagged his finger at the republicans and said if you loved this country you wouldn't be shutting it down. >> they are not shutting down the country. arguably they are shutting down the federal government. as we all know the checks arrived today as we always do. some of them went to the tsa.

pretty much everything is working it is just a few little things if you wanted to go with the washington monument. that's why they call it a washington monument cut. most of government is still operating. >> i don't get it with the washington monument. it is still there. >> even though the government provide no resources for the maintenance and operation. >> they are very big on things that are visible. if they lose the irs building for a day all they do is lock the boor. for these public places parks

and things they have put up barriers so you can't get close to them. that does seem nutty. there is a ford theater in washington where president lincoln was shot. it is a working theater. it is a nonprofit theater company. it comes from the private sector and they have had to close this week. the building is a national park even though the theater has nothing to do with that>> it is free people every where and the cars are designed in tennessee and the computers in california and that's the stuff of life. >> that is what runs america. the reason we have the big screen televisions or fashionable clothes and better computers just the fact that we get a sandwich every day at lunch all of that is done by people in the private sector

people working in their own interests. i guess as you are talking about on this show being impedeed by government not help by government. you have shut down the federal government and the country. i am sure in most they don't know there's a government shut down except the media tells them. >> coming up, you heard congresswoman nancy pelosi say there's nothing to cut out of the budget. the cupboard is bear. i will go through the cupboard. let's see what is in there. >> lots of stuff to cut. cut, cut more. you don't need all of this. [ male announcer ] imagine this cute blob is metamucil. and this pk is the inside of your body.

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>> some republicans shut down the government in order to stop millions of people are getting healthcare. >> my goodness, they won't even sit down and have a discussion about this. >> ch with aing the news you would think the two parties were fighting about government spending. democrats want to spend more give people more stuff. republicans want to cut to reduce our debt. that's the story line. but when it comes to stories they have a different story.

>> democrats want to spend. i am wrong if i think republicans want to cut. they say they want to cut. they never say what they are going to cut. that is the thing. >> since republican leadership since george w. bush through mitt romney they have been running and campaigning against specific spending cuts not for specific spending cuts. compassionate conservative was all about creating medicare parts d the biggest entitlement since lyndon b. johnson. he never said what he was going to cut. >> even in an off the record fundraiser he still said i can't tell you why. >> he agrees like karl rove for a long time if you mention what you are going to cut you will lose the election. they are tear fied. karl rote this january after the fiscal cliff deal he said republicans should only back

cuts that way we could say it's barack obama's fault. that's where the republican leadership has been for the last few years. >> while a lot benefit from cuts none of them really care about the cut but the person who gets cut will fight you to the death. >> yes, which is a specific problem. also i think republicans have lost the feeling that the moral arguments making people free or more prosperous by getting people off their backs by spending less money in washington that was a project democrats and republicans were part of in the 1970s and republicans in the 80s. they feel they may lose the election. >> he dagave a telling answer h became speaker of the house. brian williams asked him this. >> do you consider the defense budget sake dread? do you -- >> do you consider the homeland security budget thing?

>> listen, name a program right now we could do without? >> i don't think i have one off the top of my head. >> the speaker of the house itching he would have bit it off of the top of his head. we have elected the tea party class. isn't the new group more hard-core? >> some of the new group is more hard-core. it is between 3.5 trillion and 3.5 million. it is by the house the senate the democrats. it is very, very small. you have a minority of a tea party republicans you talk about this and win elections and campaign on it. which is important but it is still a minority. as we have seen the last week they are not negotiating particularly well. >> when you get to the specifics it is not so good. # p 7 house republicans voted

against killing the essential air service programs, the subsidy tiny airports used by wealthy people. peter king, steve king, christie no em these people are on this network often and say their fiscal conservatives voted to continue it. >> manning this america led the world in de regulation lidemocrs like ted de kennedy because republicans like that. >> there was an amendment that would phase out sugar subsidies. they are awful. they helped so many people become a rich sugar grower. 16 senate republicans. >> if they wanted to make a moral argument against welfare against the state giving money to people and distort the market the first thing they would target is agricultural subsidies.

they will talk about food stamps instead. they don't like welfare when it goes to four people they like it when it goes to rich people. that is terrible politic and terrible policies. >> terrible politics because when they bash food stamps i would think they want to avoid ads like this one. any politician would want to avoid the cut. when they do opponents go after them with sleazy ads like this one. misleading ads. the person behind the wheelchair pushing granny off the cliff was meant to resemble congressman ryan. >> one is we have got all of us are being pushed off a fiscal cliff at this point. we have entitlements running over us like a steam roller. they made a miss step. they didn't make a long series

of political arguments about it. they passed it real quick. if you don't pass you are going to get ads like this not informed deliberate tive comments. >> coming up i will go over nance knee pelosi's coverage. they said it's fair. i found trillions of dollars much oft spent on junk. [ male announcer ] when you wear dentures you may not know that your mouth is under attack, from food particles and bacteria. try fixodent. it helps create a food seal defense for a clean mouth and kills bacteria for fresh breath. ♪ fixodent, and forget it. [ male announcer ] may your lights always be green.

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john: with the government shut down this week the partial shutdown maybe 40 percent but not enough. but with the politicians retailing one sound bite stood out candy crowley ask nancy pelosi here's pelosi's response. >> it is the air. there's no more cuts to make. >> what? give me a break. the cupboard is bear? made me want to look for myself. >> here is the empty cupboard. this is empty? no. it is filled with stuff. lots of money. things we don't need. this one the study of pig feces in china. how about another study 100,000

dollars for a change in climate video games. a laundry folding robot. that was a good one. more than a million dollars. pretty cool. another comedy tour in india. you pay for that. make chai not war. cabinet isn't empty. they spend all sorts of stuff. i have been picking on the small things. let's go to the bigger stuff we should get rid of. subsidies. fanny and freddie and the fha they cover 90 percent of american mortgages now. that's crazy. we should stop foreign aid, the federal drug war, we all need this stuff. department of agriculture. let's get rid of whole departments. $33 billion. farming just happens. you don't need a department to cause it to happen. federal communications commission. useless. you don't need them. department of labor, likewise. 143 billion they spend every year. they get in the way of real labor by supporting only

organized labor. department of education, $110 billion. doesn't make education better state local responsibility. public broadcast that we don't need that. they spend almost $4 trillion. they says the cupboard is bear. i am not including big stuff social security, defense, medicare medicaid. that is most of the budget. doesn't even fit in nancy's cupboard. there is just tons of money in here. not empty. they could cut lots of stuff. >> maybe if the shut down goes on long enough people will realize we don't need government to be involved in so many things. maub bee the furloughed employees will find useful things to do in their lives. they will say my goodness why did i waste my time in the dreary government job nr so long. taxes will be lower. we will be freer and the economy

will boom. we will live happily ever after. i can dream, can't i? that's our show. thanks for watching. g.updates o twitter. i will see you on huckabee with a live up date. >> tonight on huckabee. finger pointing. >> if you hope to end the republican shut down get rid of the tea party direction. >> this is harry reid's shut down because he wants it. and refuses to listen to the american people. >> speaker john boehner will not let the bill get a yes or no vote. >> the wall street journal out. we are winning. it is not a damn game. >> they are talking tough, but where is the action. >> the former congressman jason a tmire said the private sector can clean up the mess that the government created