>> steve: before we leave, history made 178 years ago today, fox news channel signed on -- 17 years ago today that fox news channel signed on. >> brian: an exciting line - up on prime time. good morning. it's crunch time in the government's capital. a bigger crisis looms october 17, 10 days from now when the treasury secretary says the country will run out of money and miss our credit card payment unless we borrow more money. this could be a tight wire walk in washington, d.c. hope you had a great weekend, i'm bill hemmer. martha: i'm martha maccallum. house speaker john boehner is standing firm saying the u.s. is

on a direct path he believes to default unless president obama is willing to negotiate. >> we are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. the president is risk default by not having a conversation with us. bill: where do things stand on this money morning, peter. >> reporter: nothing has changed since last week. the house came in for a rare saturday session. they voted overwhelminingly 407. but the senate still hasn't touched that measure so that hasn't gone anywhere yet. now the speaker of the house john boehner is saying that nothing is going to happen here until democrats are ready to give some ground on things like

entitlement spending. >> i do not want the united states to detall on its debt but i'm not going to raise the debt limit without a serious conversation about what's driving the debt up. it would be irresponsible for me to do this. >> reporter: you heard the speaker saying president obama is the one risking default by not having a conversation with republicans. the speaker says president obama knows his phone number and all he has to do is give him a call. >> they are standing their ground so far right now as well. at least publicly we heard the treasury secretary jack lew came out and stead congress is playing with fire by not raising the debt limit. and the treasury secretary said president obama has done plenty when it come comes comes to reag out to republicans.

>> reporter: the president has taken many steps to show his willingness to negotiate. he has don't with democrats who say he's too eager to negotiate. republicans have not come forward and make comparable movements. >> reporter: tension will only increase on the hill. it's just 10 days away, next thursday. bill: no talks are scheduled between john boehner and the president. martha: he thought the president might call and that call never came. so now there are new questions that have a lot of people stalk being whether the government is picking and choosing which parts of the government should be shut down to promote the most pain. the president is allowing some union representatives and some

pentagon civilians to go back to work. but missing children will not be protect. the amount were alert system is being shut off. there are concerns this could obviously put missing children in more danger. we'll have more on that, the pick and choosing, who's in, who's out. there are also comments from the treasury department. jack lew saying a default on our debt would be catastrophic. the nation will apparently run out of money and effectively default on their -- on their loans, but surety varney says that is not true. how so? >> we do not default on our debt and obligations at midnight october 17. you default when you fail to

service your debt. that is pay back the loan and the interest due. in mott of october we are going take in $200 billion in that month. that will easily service our debt. we do not go into default. $133 billion came into treasury, we'll be paying off our debts, paying off the interest and loans on our debt. we'll service that debt. we'll not be in default. martha: what's the meaning of this number think want to what is it to and why do you need to do it. >> we have run out of authority to borrow more money. wound terms do we borrow more money. if we don't get an agreement we don't worry any more money. x have billions coming in to pay our debt. all this talk about default has left some great unease on wall

street. we'll see the dow drop 100 points. but we are not going into default september 17 midnight, period. martha: when would we. they are saying if you don't raise the debt limit, they are saying there would come a point where you wouldn't able to make those payment. >> eventually you do go into default but that's way down the road. that $200 billion just more october pays your debt service, it also pays social security. it can be met in the 0 month of october. martha: it's like when you use assets to pay your credibility off you eventually go into bankruptcy. >> eventually you do, but not october 17. bill: twin terror raids in the continent of africa resulting in

the capture of a top member much al qaeda in somalia and libya. they captured a top al qaeda operative responsible for the 1998 embassy bombings in eastern africa. we just got video of his home where he has been captured by delta force. jennifer griffin, you have been working this story all weekend. both missions first in libya and somalia, were they successful or not. >> this is almost unprecedented to have two special operations forcessary out simultaneous raid to capture two al qaeda targets. in the case of libya it was very successful. the delta force operators surrounded a a l-will be ibby

was surrounded in his driveway. they say this brother and son say they have surveillance video of the raid as the operator.grabbed him from his car. he was taken alive. so that was a very successful operation in terms of the libya raid. in somalia it went down a little differently. u.s. navy seals came ashore, they were trying to target and capture a man who is in charge of the al-shabab foreign fighters in somalia. you see training video we have of the al-shabab. they were responsible for the kenya attack. that operation isn't go as planned. they encountered a firefight. they certainly did not capture him alive but it's not clear if

he was killed in that firefight. bill: what happens to al-libby? >> reporter: he's onboard a u.s. ship. he will be interrogated. then turned over top u.s. law enforcement. he was indicted in the embassy bombings in east africa. he's being held right now and he will be hand over to law enforcement in the coming weeks. bill: thank you, jennifer. do we have secretary kerry here? do we have that? okay. jennifer griffin, thanks. i thought we would have secretary kerry. martha: let's listen to who al-lib why is. he's a computer expert who

studied electronics and nuclear engineering in college. he's believed to have returned to libya after the civil war broke out in 2011. what are authorities hoping to learn and where will they put him ultimately? we'll have what happens next coming up in the next hour. >> they won't both cases on the ground to extract him. this wasn't a drone operation. so a change in tactics. martha: the way he was living with his family. a peaceful existence. we wonder how long we vo known he was there and why this is the moment they went in to get him. bill: a nasty crash on the interesty car crash. a one-time champion is in the hospital. the people sitting right along that fence in a moment.

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martha: in wayne, nebraska, this morning, they are picking up the peetions after a fierce tornado ripped through this town. a giant funnel cloud was caught on tape. it left a trail of destruction. at least 16 people were injured. cars and homes literally torn

apart. residents are coming to grips with this devastation. >> i turned around [inaudible] >> half the buildings are gone. the crops are gone. it's sad to see it's all gone. martha: the mayor says it could take a year to fix all this damage. in south dakota, they have got snow. look at that snow in early october, a blizzard dumped 40 inches in the black hills. bill: now back to the accusations republicans are o on -- we action from republican senator mike lee.

peter king with chris wallace yesterday. >> this was a strategy doomed to failure. we should negotiate on the debt limit which what is we should have been doing for the last month. the strategy was doomed to failure. bill: what would you say to your republican colleague. >> i forcefully disagree with congressman king. he's just plain wrong. this is something we have to do to protect the american people. how many people will have to lose their jobs or have their hours cut or wages slashed or lose access to their health insurance before congress acts to protect the american people from the harmful effects of obama-care. he's just wrong. the position taken by the democrats is unsustainable. i want to applaud speaker

boehner and the other house republicans who stood with him. the position taken by the democrats is not defensible. what they are saying is unless you fund neferg government including obama-care we'll not let you fund anything. that's crazy. the american people know it's crazy. and it's not going to work. >> reporter: right now in a word are republicans fully and completely united on this? >> obviously we have a few dissenters like peter king. he's wrong. but i think most important thing is the american people are with us and they are moving in our direction to an increasing degree because they can see this law is going to harm a lot of the people. this is not just an issue of democrats versus republicans. this is about the washington political establishment against the american people. bill: president obama said he

would be willing to renegotiate if you reopen government and remove the debt ceiling. >> so far what he has been telling us is you do it my way or we'll not do it at all. he can't do that. he's not a distaker to. -- he's not a dictator, he's not a despot. bill: he said he would be willing to negotiate and obama-care. how did you interpret that comment? >> i would like to think he was coming to his senses and he was acknowledging this law is not ready to implement. that's what kickstarted this movement back in early july when i saw he was changing the law. congress shouldn't fund it if

it's not ready. he not going to follow the law. i hope that's what he means. >> our colleague ted cruz said mitigating or lessening the impact of obama care should be directly died to the debt ceiling fight. how would that play out? >> i think obama-care implement takes has a tighter nexus to the continuing resolution. >> i'm assuming you would agree with senator cruz on that. you want to tie the debt ceiling fight to softening obama-care. >> i'll do anything i can to protect the american people from obama-care.

i think what he's saying is the timing of this, maybe we are forced to tie it together. i don't think it's necessarily ideal. >> how long does the shutdown last? >> i have no idea. but i don't think it need to last beyond this week. we can fund 98 per of government. by funding those things that have nothing to do with the implementation of obama-care. we can do it in a matter of hours. the house acted last week and a week ago today the senate respond by approving unanimously a measure to keep our active duty military personnel paid. we should do that in other areas of government that don't have anything to do with obama-care. bill: republican mike lee from utah with us.

martha: senator rand paul says president obama is getting jump on halloween by scaring americans into thinking the u.s. would default. bill: check out this. on the final lap of this interesty car race, spectators injured and playing out on the final lap of this race in houston. >> the car just completely spun around. the tires were flying off. >> there was a lady trapped underneath the fence. as soon as we got here she was crawling out from underneath it. up in alaska, we find the best, sweetest crab for red lobster

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martha: this awful crash landing three-time indy 500 winner dareee franchitti in the hospital. casey, what happened and how is he? >> reporter: he is doing better this morning. we can tell you this accident happened in the final lap of yesterday's race. they made it all the way to the end just almost, turn 5 of the track take a look at the video. you can't see it enough. incredible to watch. you can see the two cars bump another one. they they collide they sent franchitti's vehicle hitting the wall. a third driver was then involved. he swerved and noongtd to hit

franchitti's car, with you did hit sato. chan chitty has fractures two of his vertebrae, he has broken his rightage, has a concussion, but he's awake and alert. franchitti is expected to be okay. he's a very, very experienced driver. he won the indy 500 on three different occasions. martha: spectators were also hurt in this. how badly and how are they? >> reporter: they are doing okay. it could have bench worse. at the time of this accident debris strayed into the grandstand. you can only imagine what it must have been like for those people. only two fans had to be taken to the hospital with

non-life-threatening injuries. an independentiy car official was also hurt. but 11 people had to be treated at the scene. folks very, very shaken after this. >> we saw a bunch of debris fly. >> i was freaked out. it's like everybody knew something bad happened and it wasn't good. everything got really quite all around. >> reporter: they are saying the accident is under investigation and fan and driver safety is always a primary concern. bill: the drivers have an issue with this. i guess there is a debate when you set up the poles for the fence on inside or outside of the track.

these peels were on the inside of the track. the driver franchitti was tweeting how he disagreed with the format but he's a live and some of the fans are alive, too. martha: we wish him well. >> more this coming up how car racing, how you can even have it at this level and have people so close to the track you get out okay. police are searching for two more potential suspects. at least one of the suspect is talking publicly. >> rand paul is also talking. he he the obama administration is using scare tactics. that's the next big debate. >> this is kind of like closing the world war ii memorial. they get out on tv saying we are going do default.

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bill: the store system that dropped a tornado on nebraska. there is a tornado watch for washington, d.c., delaware, maryland, parts of new york, knowledge, northern virginia. >> reporter: this is the same

storm systemt' produced significant snowfall in parts of south dakota and sections of the rockies. the system also produced a ef4 tornado in be in. today we are sphwecting to see areas of heavy rain across the northeast all the way down into the southeast. but the biggest area of concern is where we are talking severe weather in parts of update new york through the state of vermont, interior senses of new england, western parts of massachusetts, also in connecticut and the entire state of new jersey, even new york city you are talking potential damaging wind and isolated tornado. we have a brand-new tornado watch from parts of upstate down to sections of the mid-atlantic, washington, d.c. and envelope, you are included in this area until 5:00 p.m. eastern time. we have very warm, humid temperatures ahead of this frontal boundary and we could be

see something tornado from some of these thunderstorms. another big concern is that we could see damaging wind up to 75 miles an hour. it's important to know the difference, a tornado watch means stay alert, a tornado warning means there has been some rotation with some of these thunderstorms and we have a tornado warning in effect along the north carolina-virginia border. martha: top republican senator van paul is accusing the obama administration of trying to scare americans to think the u.s. will default on its debt. here is is, senator rand paul and "meet the press." >> it's irresponsible of the president and his men to talk about default.

we bring in $250 billion in tax every month. our interest payment is $20 billion. we have legislation called the full faith and credit act and it tells the president you must pay the debt. so this is a game. martha: kirsten, what's the big deal. >> we'll read something from ronald reagan. he says the full consequences of the default by the default by the united states or prospect of default are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. he had to rely on democrats at the time. i don't know what rand paul is talking about.

it's hard to keep track of what's going on. yesterday john boehner said that we were basically head for a default if we don't reach a deal on the government shutdown. so you have john boehner saying we are heading for default and rand paul saying the president is fear mongering. martha: after president reagan said that they came to an agreement after negotiation by both side. we have seen a long history of negotiating over these debt ceiling issues so each side gets some of what they want to straighten out of the long-term economic picture. >> you mentioned president reagan. the package was sweeping the debt ceiling extension. george h.w. bush made similar reforms. democrats obstructed president

george w. bush's debt ceiling request because they wanted to prevents him from passing what was then known as the bush tax cuts. so this is a natural time to have both parties negotiating. that's why the president's position not to negotiation is indefensible. there is one thing both side agree on. default would be devastating. so let's take it off the table. the president gets enough revenue into the federal treasury to pay our interest payment. which is why you had republicans after the 2011 debt ceiling showdown. the president paid that payment and allows the executive branch to pay other payments. so that's what the response is. martha: we have to pay these bills because of the full faith and credit act.

but it does leave the treasury discretion on that. this does feel like a perfect opportunity to have a discussion about spending. do you think the president will ultimately be willing to do that? >> if that's true why did ronald reagan say there was the prospect of defail if they didn't raise the debt ceiling. >> ronald reagan negotiated, kirsten. >> he said if you don't raise the debt kreeling there is a prospect opossible -- a prospecf default. that's a fact. martha: i think to negotiate a deal that would cut some spending. >> why don't we agree with the full faith and credit account and say let's take default after the trouble while we negotiate the complicated issues both side agree on.

we agree default is disruptive and should not be on the table. the debt problems are much more long term. these are structural problems with our entitlements and other spending programs that's driving our debt and deficit. those will take some time to hammer out which is why in 2011 you saw the two side try to do a grand bargain. the president won, he got his way on the fiscal cliff and sequestration. john boehner has said if we are going to solve this problem let's get both people at the table talking. the president refused to do so. >> democrats have agreed to stay sat see cress traition levels which is something that's not popular. this is not the budget they want and this is not popular in the democratic caucus. it's something nancy pelosi and

the democrats had to agree to. in terms of the negotiations i think the president will end up negotiating over the debt ceiling. i think what he's trying to stop is this brinksmanship is every time the debate couples it feels like the government is being held hostage. martha: where is the end of the trillion dollars of debt if you don't have this discussion. it's an important time to think about how much you are spending. >> you have to remember that the president believes this is a time to be stimulating the economy, not cutting spending. he has a different philosophy than the republicans do. the idea that there is some middle ground the republicans are trying to reach. there is some negotiation they are trying to offer, i haven't seen it. the big negotiation is we are going to defund obama-care. it's not negotiation. that was the original. that's how it started. now that they have gone the

themselves in this mess. >> at least getting rid of the subjects does for congress. how much is the president asking us to extend the debt limit by? he wants a blank check. martha: we'll see you next monday when we come back a greek now. have a good day. bill: how will your up s. government cut a deal? this is a challenge now. you can fire away on twitter. you have got 140 characters or less so you have got to tell us how would you like them to do a deal. martha: i would like an unlimited credit card. we'll see how sit works out. soot online exchange is taken offline. what's it like to gaffe gait one of these guys. we'll talk to someone trying to help people do just that.

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but we don't know how many people logged on and were able to purchase insurance or how many people were just look. bill: what does that tell you? rue. >> it tells me there was a flood of people accessing the site. but they were not ready for the influx of individuals that were out either look or some online. >> has your service, has your company been able to help people be individual, groups or companies navigate to get the insurance? >> we tried last week ban we were unsuccessful helping our individuals. our small group clients, we were able to look at rates, access plans, but we are not able to do anything. so we have been telling our clients. i think it's two important things they need to remember with the exchanges. don't be fooled by a low-cost premium. you will see lots of differentcrosses through the the exchanges. and the lower-cost premiums will

have higher deductibles and that will be more out of pocket costs through the the year. the second thing is some of the plans out in the exchanges are limited networks. so they are a skeleton network with providers and hospitals that maybe they are going to now that are not that network. >> meaning you could buy into a plan nawnlt of physicians who could see you under that plan is not that great? not that impressive. most private insurers have a network. it could be where a plan on the exchange had 50 per or 35% of those same providers you are able to go to to seek services for you and your family. >> the other big points you say is when people who don't have insurance go online to sign up, you say it's a little bit of

sticker shock. why is that and what is the price? >> that as great point. i think there is the different levels of plans and i think when you go out and price a plan that is equivalent to the private market or the plan your emploim player would coffer you it would be the same cost or more. so the sticker shoiks on the platinum and gold plans . when america seize those plans you will find your employers plan or private insurance will be just as attractive. >> the president said if you are happy with your current healthcare you can keep it. for your clients is that true? >> you could probably keep it but you are not going to have the same plan and it will cost you a lot more. we are looking at our you group clients of increases next year in 2014 of 35% to 50%. >> what are big employers going to do? will big american com companiesy

no we want you to have this benefit because we are a good company and this is what we provide for if you you work for us? >> when this was first rolled out they were saying 4 in 10 companies will drop their benefits. right now i have read one in four companies will drop their benefits. insurance will be an port recruiting tool. pillar thank you. martha: over the weekend a monster truck went out of control sending debris into a terrified crowd of spectators. bill: there they go at sunrise. martha: up and away.

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martha: something went more any wrong when a struck went airborne and slammed into a crowd of people. watch this. 8 people were killed in this. now there are reports that the driver may have been under the influence of alcohol.

>> reporter: this is just a horrifying ordeal for so many people in chihuahua, mexico. some of the people in the crowd had cell phone video. you can see the truck jump over a couple of cars. then it bounced like a basketball. then it races into the crowd, crashes into more than 100 people and just in a matter of seconds you can hear people screaming and running away in terror. 9 people were hurd. 8 people were killed, including four children. there are a dozen people in critical condition. officials say they did have a test that detected alcohol in the driver's breath. we don't know what his blood alcohol contents was. when the driver jumped the two cars he hit his head and they say they saw his hell ement fly

off. so maybe he impaired himself so second strong the truck until it drove into the crowd. the driver has been detained on suspicion of manslaughter . martha: from this vantage point i don't know how he wouldn't have hit people, they were so close to this thing. >> reporter: officials are looking into the show for possible safety violations. there are questions about why people were so close. there is a lot of unrest in the area. they are told two men threw a firebomb into monster trucks yesterday. temp. they are trial the figure out what happened with this driver. bill: we have another look at houston and an indy car crash. a secret welfare problem that

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martha: welcome to day seven of the government shutdown. there is no dealing site at this point. both sides seem to be digging in for the long hall. bill: at home the reason you probably will not see a fixed soon is because an even bigger deadline hanging over america. october 17, 10 days from now. the treasury warns america will run out of money to pay its bills and for the bulk of the first time ever will that happen, could it happen? is anybody else thinks john boehner is waiving the white flag, think again. he is in the government has to give some ground on this one. >> how can you raise the debt limit and do nothing about the underlining problem? we spent more than we brought in for 55 of the last 60 years. this year the federal government

will have more revenue than any year in the history of our country and yet we're still going to have nearly $700 billion budget deficit. we are squandering the future for our kids and grandkids by not dealing with this problem. martha: so who has a better hand in this high-stakes game of poker right now? chris, good morning to you. it was surprising to a lot of us to see how strongly john boehner came out over the weekend given the story that emerged at the end of last week that he was not going to let the country default and that seemed to show a few too many of his cards, perhaps. >> this is a tw to a negotiation for john boehner. he has to do with the most conservative members of congress. deal with these guys, 35 or 40 of them, that he has to navigate around when it comes to whatever legislation he wants, these are the guys who say defund obamacare or nothing.

he has to negotiate with the president. what he was saying last week with the debt limit, not letting the united states go over niagara on this one, he was telling his numbers you have time to negotiate but at the end, i'm going to let democrats vote, i will use democratic votes to push through a list of the debt ceiling. then he comes comes back to the president on the sunday show. the president won't sit down with him. he says look, here's the deal, i will increase the debt ceiling but you are going to give me something for it. he can make the increase very short term to keep this going and boehner is very clearly concerned about the debt. martha: you have the default not really being be all end all. it takes longer than the 17th for the thing to blow up basically. not until you missed the first debt payment. this could get stretched out even further than the 17th,

right? >> yes, but look, the government shutdown is survivable, it is a thing nobody particularly likes. but it is and what happens is that the government, the government has to borrow more than $3 billion per day to do its basic functions. but the real problem here is what happens inside the government, it is what happened to interest rates and where people go to borrow money to buy a house or a car, you can see a return to the carter era interest levels. this freezes up the market. martha: indeed it does. they will be moving a little bit nudging these guys in one direction or another. i guess in the end it becomes this double cheeseburger because you have a debt ceiling folded in with the cr. yesterday everybody saying john boehner could pass a new crx now.

>> he probably couldn't based on where his conference is because a conference like the strategy. boehner and most of the conference didn't want to do this. now they're pretty good tacticians holding democrats feeds to the fire saying you want to open up the things people like and last week boehner struck upon his best strategy so far, most important constituency for democrats, most important political patrons are the house republicans last week saying we want to promise paying government workers after this. harry reid will have to let that ill and other bills through or his political benefactors are going to get ou ouch. martha: he will be around for a while at least if he has it his way. thank you so much, we will see you later. >> you bet. martha: sign-up for chris's daily political newsletter. go to foxnews.com/fox news

first. pop your e-mail address in there and you wil look at the earliest political reads, great stuff every morning. bill: house speaker john boehner saying the votes are just not there to pass a clean spending bill in the house. democratic senator says if that is the case, there's only one thing left to do, that is to approve it. >> i would bet there are the votes to pass it. you have just about every democrat, 21 republicans have said they would. many more republicans said they probably would, so just vote, see if you are right. martha: taking aim at president obama saying the president needs to step up and do his job, listen to what he says. >> the president has to do his job. we rejected the concept of a king when our country was founded and created three coequal branches of government. now he says he won't negotiate

on the debt, but what he needs to do is roll up his sleeves and go to the table and i am sure we can get past the impasse on the contending resolution as well as the debt ceiling. martha: what do you think? how will this play out? send us a tweet and we will put them on the screen to see what you are saying to us. bill: where does the phone call come, do you think? martha: he blew his whole weekend. i ble stuck around. bill: new questions of the shutdown is affecting the white house funding certain aspects of the government allowing others to stay shut. when now being told the amber alert system, one of the most vital lifelines has been shut off until further notice. chief intelligence corresponde correspondent, what is going on here? >> thank you, bill. we are seeking a response this morning from the group that

administers national amber alert program. if you go to the website, this is a screenshot of what you will see. the program is unavailable or off-line instead of what you usually see, the faces of missing children and the call for urgent information for these kids deemed most at risk. it is to connect citizens with law enforcement and also been reported this morning that handles as many as two dozen cases per day including what critics say is another example of how the administration is seeking to make this shutdown as painful as possible. bill: what is the broader impact, catherine? >> this comes as a government shutdown is creating significant fallout for the department of justice and homeland security. about 50% of the fbi d.c. headquarters had been for load and while the overall percentage of field agents is lower, an fbi official confirms the team investigating the kenya mall attack is even affected. was last thursday's car chase

stretching to capitol hill is another example of how vital the law enforcement function is in the nation's capital as well. bill: thank you. we will see whether or not this position changes. sounds strange. martha: federal correctional officers in wisconsin so we are not getting paid, but some prisoners are. >> they get paid with a different funding, trust fund account. however some of the money comes from the federal budget, and again the work they do it institution, they get paid for. martha: until there is a budget deal, 300 workers at a federal prison forced to come to work without getting paid. a lot of that going around. bill: two of the big stories it happened with regards to the war on terror. al qaeda mastermind in custody.

what can we learn from him? as a result of the attack on the embassy in 2008. martha: a new development. one of the bikers in the vicious attack against an suv driver and his family is now speaking out. wait until you hear what he says. bill: this is something else. the condition of the driver and the spectators who were injured in the stand sitting along the fence. >> looked like he was moving around when i drove past. i hope all of the fans are okay.

martha: the most wanted al qaeda leader is now captured in a terror raid by u.s. security forces in libya over the weekend. 49-year-old is believed to be the mastermind behind the next 98 bombings of our embassies in kenya and tanzania.

he was indicted in a new york federal court back in 2000, there were many more than that in total, over 200. kenny mcfarland joins me now. and a former deputy assistant secretary of defense. welcome to both of you. obviously this is very big news we got over the weekend, a very significant capture. let me start with you on this. a lot of questions, he was indicted in the southern district of new york, why does his path taken to new york for his trial? >> basically this is finishing up unfinished business. he was indicted along with a lot of other people back in 2000. he was on the lam come and now we him. unlike one other person involved

in the east african bombings in gitmo, there's no classified information in this particular case, the label pull the case off the shelves and try him in new york. martha: what does it tell us about the war on terror and how it is going? >> first the war on terror is not over. this is another example of the fact it is the worldwide war. the second thing i thought was interesting as this is the first time since bin laden raid united states have put boots on the ground in libya and somalia. the administration realizes africa is the new place, the new theater, the new place to worry about, and the third thing is i was in egypt last week, this is a lot to do with egypt. libya is on the egyptian border. if al qaeda sets up shop in eastern libya, if libya becomes a failed state, that gives them

a launchpad to move into egypt. muslim brotherhood is established in egypt, what is going to happen to egypt? as much as somalia and syria are important, the pale by comparison to egypt. egypt is the crown jewel in the middle east. martha: very interesting. so where do we go from here? and we have seen to their credit the ministration per a lot of focus on africa over the past year. >> that is right. we go into afghanistan and they disperse iraq. they go back to the ancestral homeland in yemen. they go back to east africa and the horn of africa. the war is not over. they are capable of splintering and so we have a long way to go until we can take the victory. martha: let let's go back to alf these specifically.

will we see his car outside a te house on the spot he was when he drove up, his son is there, and we can show some of this video while we're talking about it. describing my father came home, they pulled up, they captured him right outside his home would lead one to believe he has been living fairly comfortably and fairly openly reedit >> this is the thing that is quite amazing. this guy was not afraid. living a normal urban life in downtown tripoli. why we have not done the same thing for the man who self admitted mastermind of the benghazi attacks. martha: great point. >> he proudly gives interviews to "the new york times," sitting poolside, sipping strawberry frappe. hopefully he is the next guy we get. martha: what about that? it would appear we might have

known where this guy was for quite some time. these were devastating bombings that were unfinished business, so why now, do you think? >> always welcomed news. quite frankly to raids is not a strategy. there is not a big strategy here. i think they are reactive and not proactive in terms of a strategy in the region. the drone strategy kills people, you don't get to detain and interrogate people come you don't get intelligence so i am happy they are interrogating this guy. martha: what do we think he might know? how valuable is he on some ship right now in legal custody? >> hopefully we are getting a lot from him. we may or may not. what he has talked about, they have both commented publicly to al qaeda now there is a war in iraq that is over, the war in afghanistan is winding down, the

fighters can come back to their homelands, they can come fight in northern africa and eastern africa so they would have been the linchpin's, the recruiters of the next theater of the war on terror. martha: very interesting, thank you for both being here. bill: some frightening events of an indycar event. the driver complaining of events like these in houston is now in the hospital. why the fence may have saved many lives. martha: how may people have signed up so far for obamacare? how successful is it? gerri willis here with hard numbers next.

martha: this is incredible. this your child i tell you this story. this child had no ticket, no parent with him. slips past two levels of security at the minneapolis airport and boarded at delta plane because he wanted to go to vegas. by the time the flight attendants realized the little boy was all by himself, the plane was already in the air. >> this is a big deal getting a child from here to nevada. this is kind of unheard of. >> people focus on what that means from the security standpoint, but what does that say about us lately as a society if a child is running around and people aren't paying attention? martha: delta and the tsa are invested in incidents. more on that when we find out what happened. bill: vegas, baby.

the terrifying crash leaving 13 spectators injured. at the indycar race in houston. have you seen this? this is unbelievable. dario franchitti crashing into the wall. he goes airborne, slams into what is called the catch fence. dario franchitti fractured his spine. to spectators went to the hospital. there still hospitalized today. you have been looking at this. good morning to you. amazing thing when the spectators are holding their iphones and the car goes into their lap. what are we to understand about this catch fence? >> franchitti, irony of this if he has been outspoken the catch fence needs to be improved. he is sort of ambassador for the safety of the sport, interesting he is the one involved in the crash. two years ago famously in las vegas caused a sea change in

terms of safety in the sport. they do a lot of improvements to the car making sure the car doesn't jump off the ground. bill: amazing thing is nobody dies sitting along that fence. >> w we're not that far removed from what happened in nascar when a car hit the fence. bill: even in this case it does not appear that injuries are that serious. i think it is phenomenal. you mentioned this driver franchitti. he tweeted, what, from his hospital bed? this time indycar and nascar work on an alternative to catch fence. that has to be a better solution. this is the way i understand it, tell me if i am wrong. the post for the fence around the inside of the track in houston as opposed to the outside. if they were on the outside, what difference does it make?

>> on the outside they are less likely to hit the post. the whole system needs to be changed. i need to come up with it. look at ice hockey. a fan died, got hit by a puck. the added the wire fencing and now fans at the time that i did not want to look through fencing. you need to have these incidents incidents. bill: what about moving them farther from the track? >> you don't want to sacrifice the fan experience but he wants to make sure everybody is safe. the same respect, they want the cars to go fast and crash, let's be honest. but they don't want anybody to die. bill: let's go back.

my logic tells me if the car is up against a fence and the post-rally outside of the fence, has a greater chance not disintegrating like what happened here. >> you can almost see if it had just rode the fence it probably would have had a different result. bill: when big events like this happens, it exact change in the sport. would you expect that now? >> he had a spinal fracture but will not require surgery. it might not be big enough. he was an indycar winner and a redesigned the whole car. maybe he needed how i needed to be more serious of an accident. bill: appreciate you coming down to the "wall street journal." what is next? martha: coming up,

president obama urging patients with the launch of health care. online exchanges taken off-line over this weekend. new questions of how many people actually signed up for this thing. bill: the pink motorized barbie jeep that did not escape, why this kid's toy got a parking ticket. go figure. >> it was blocking somebody's driveway normally we would to it away. hey, i notice your car is not in the driveway. yeah. it's in the shop. it's going to cost me an arm and a leg. that's hilarious. sorry. you shoulda taken it to midas. get some of that midas touch. they tell you what stuff needs fixing, and what stuff can wait. next time i'm going to midas. high-five! arg! i did not see that coming. trust the midas touch. for brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling)

martha: a fox news alert. new violence in egypt. [shouting] daytime bloodshed is carrying over into the nighttime hours. fighting going on for hours between egyptian security forces and supporters of the ousted president deepwater horizon. we're getting -- mohammed morsi. at least 50 people are killed. that happened while egypt marked the 40th anniversary of the 1973 wore with israel. bill: back here at home, despite the glitches and frozen pages and error messages the white house is saying it is encouraged by the initial reopening, or opening rather to obamacare's initial launch. gerri willis host of "the willis report" on fox business network. stephen moore, senior writer for "the wall street journal." we passed you both. we're trying to figure out what

the facts are here. gerri, we talked to laws week. what are you finding out on a state by state basis, whether people can log on, whether they can sign up or whether they are logging up. go. >> bill, this is tough. in california original reports of five million people going online. more like 514,000. 77,000 filing an application. they're not saying how many people have actually gotten coverage. and the devil in those details, people are having a hard time signing up, much less nailing down coverage. it seems to me that those numbers, probably in the low thousands across the country. kentucky, still one of the number one places where they're able to actually sign up people for coverage. >> let me come back to kentucky here but what is this, what is your logic tell you about why it is difficult in the first week? it's a big decision first of all. >> right. bill: the second stephen moore will tell us it's a lot more expensive than you think it is. what do you believe?

>> i got to tell you it is so hard to navigate 24 website, absolutely. a lot of sign-ons, people are looking around, seeing what was available and trying to make a decision. the websites were not ready for prime time, no doubt about it. they were shut down over the weekend. the glitches were overwhelming, we're hearing software not not ready to go. the architecture of healthcare.gov couldn't stand the pressure people signing on what was out there. they just weren't ready for this. i got to tell you, bill -- bill: went off-line during peak hours trying to sort some of this out. stephen moore, does this appear like it is just a software problem or more? >> funny how central planning never seems to work out like politicians think it will. just to summarize what gerri was say, the biggest problem you had one in 100 chance if you went to the website even to get through to the system so you could check prices. bill, my main concern, once they do settle up these glitches and

fix these things, that will happen in the course 6 next few months -- bill: what happens then. >> biggest problem is sticker shock, bill. people thought they would go to the exchanges and find lower prices than what they're paying now. people i've talked to and many studies are indicating no, the prices aren't lower than what people have now. they're higher. and, the big concern, when you talk to americans is, wait a minute. i kind of like what i got right now. is my employer going to force me into the system and pay higher prices for worse care? bill: why the sticker shock? what we were not expecting or what was the government planning? or why is it coming in that way? >> two things. there is, this was sort of based on all these health insurance companies competing but we're finding health insurance companies are dropping out because they just don't want to be part of the system. that is number one. number two, if you're like my son, 23 years old, healthy, doesn't need a lot of basic health care except the basic stuff --

bill: he is staying on your plan? >> i hope not much longer. bill: owe he is gonna. >> in addition to that he is could go to the private market to find a much cheaper plan because of all the mandated benefits under the obamacare system. so i think the bottom line here you will get, when gerri is talking about people signing up. gerri, those are sick people with preexisting conditions. healthy people aren't, right? >> the problem is, young people, these are the people that the government wants to sign up, they will float the boat for obamacare. they're essential to making this program successful. they're the ones who are shrugging their shoulders saying boy, this was more than i expected to pay. bill: some people thought it would be free. honestly. no, we have heard that from people. they expected free insurance. now listen the president address ad lot of this, for some people you're right about that, steve. we're overwhelmed by volume and he indicated that is a good sign that people are interested, gerri and he predicts in six

months they will exceed what anyone expected. >> well they may do that but not in the way you expect. i mean, look, we don't know whether young people are going to sign on. the early estimates they're not thrilled with what they're seeing but we don't know if it is going to work. if they can cure the glitches but at the end of the day do you find a product that you actually want to buy? one of the things that people will be watching, a lot of big-name health care insurance provide you're used to be seeing in the marc place are not so present. maybe you sign up with a name you never heard of before. there are still lots of questions out there and lots of questions whether americans will really sign up, bill. bill: here is john boehner on the issue of subsidies on congress and a bit more. stephen, react to this. roll it. >> providing fairness to the american people under obamacare is all we're asking for. my goodness, they give big business as waiver. they give all the unions a waiver yet forcing the american people to buy a product, buy a product that they do not want

and can not afford. >> i imagine, when he talks next seven days, 10 days, over the debt ceiling battle you will hear a lot more from what we heard right there, stephen. >> republicans will not repeal obamacare as long as barack obama is president and will not get it defunded. bill: what do they get? >> the strongest argument is the one john boehner made to the quote. it is not fair to require individual workers to have to sign up for the system when employers don't have to themselves. that basic issue of fairness is one of the strongest arguments. remember, if you don't sign up folks, for this program, you don't have health insurance, the first year you're looking at $100 in fines but they go up. by six years it would be couple hundred dollars a year. remember the court called it a tax. bill: i remember that very well actually. see you later, steve. gerri willis check you out later

tonight. weekdays, 6:00 eastern only on the fox business network that is the "willis report." see gerri later this evening on fbn. >> people getting fined and it is supposed to be a tax, put that into the mix here as well. we asked you this question a little while ago how will the government shutdown play out? here are some of the tweets you sent us. dave tweets, easiest way to delay individual penalty, cut all spending 5% across the board. some exceptions, pass the budget and dl increase. bill: did that in 140 characters. martha: nicely done. bill: doug said, putting wings on a pig. good luck. martha: #when pigs can fly. snowball chance in hello. how about this one. i want to know what you and martha, i assume he means you, he bill and me, what do we talk about when the music starts when we go to break, bill? tell the all the wonderful folks at home during the last commercial break?

bill: oh, my gosh, we should broadcast that. martha: we do when we go on kilmeade. there is running commentary. we talk about lots of stuff. you did not get a satisfying answer. bill: correct. they weren't going to. shutting down the amber alert to closing america's most cherished monuments serious allegations that the white house is making it more difficult for folks than it needs to be. former new york governor george pataki was in control during the last one. a veteran of the shutdown and what he is seeing. plus this. martha: wow, wow, wow. i saw this over the weekend, folks and it, made a giant leap at the box office. it is the movie "gravity." more coming up on that. >> no!

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out of this world. here's the movie "gravity." quick clip. >> hit hard, grab ahold of anything you can. ♪ bill: that is sandra bullock flying through space. that is george clooney trying to rescue her. it took in almost $60 million overthe weekend. that is a record for the month of october for any movie at anytime. the film filmed almost entirely in space. actually, in a graphics generated studio. follows two astronauts during a spacewalk. cloudy with a chance of meatballs 2, dropped to second. martha, do you give it a thumbs's up? martha: i do. very interesting movie. somebody who i was with said it will do for space what "jaws" did for of the ocean for some people. terrifying. highly recommend it. when more people see it. meantime there are new

concerns that the obama administration may intentionally trying to make the govershutdowr americans, after the amber alert system, is this a good idea? was shut off? union representatives though they were allowed to come back to work and get their paychecks. what does george pataki think about you've been wondering? he was last governor in office in 1959. always a pleasure to get your perspective on the all the crazy stuff going on right now. we have all the shutdowns. world war ii veterans are now allowed into these monuments. you have the amber alert system shut down, is that wise? >> two words, martha, totally ridiculous. if you think back to the sequester, first thing said little kids can't tour the white house? hutch does that cost? a desire to gain the maximum political leverage out of this by making the most visible things impossible to do. like they said to army, navy and

air force's football teams, you can't play. well, turns out they're privately-funded. that went over real well. they had to back off. i mean look, at the house is already sent over a bill to open the national parks but the senate won't take it up because they want this to be -- martha: they're saying, look, the government is, you know, something like 83% shutdown bit latest number that saw, you're going to notice it. things are closed. you will notice it. >> they want us to notice it. we don't have to notice it. but they intentionally want the american people to say look at this, this is bad. the american people understand that washington is broken. they understand we have to do something about the budget deficits. they understand obamacare has huge flaws that need to be corrected and that is what the house republicans are trying to do, to get this message out to the american people and actually do something but what the senate, particularly harry reid want to do, is inflict pain on the american people for political benefit. you know, i was governor back in

'95 when we had the shutdown. there is one huge difference. back then, people wanted to solve this. back then president clinton sat down with newt gingrich and said, okay, how can we get out of this? what do we do? this time we have a president who refuses to even talk. when he goes to the public he says, i won't change one thing. that has never happened before. it is wrong. it is not leadership. martha: what do you think, john boehner, over the weekend, there is a picture of bill clinton and newt gingrich last time around. >> yeah. martha: there is documentation that bill clinton really tried to prevent the shutdown from happening. he wanted to reach a deal before the shutdown came because he was concerned about the ramifications were going to be. john bear said i sat here over the weekend and thinking president would give me a call but i got nothing. >> martha, i will reveal a secret. for some reason i'm on the democratic house fund-raising

list. since the shutdown, i get a urgent message, send money. this is what is happening. this is what boehner is doing. this is what the polls are showing. they are looking, they are looking to, to gain the maximum political hay. it wouldn't surprise me in the least if behind the scenes harry reid and barack obama are saying this is not about tomorrow or today and ending the shutdown. this is about 2014 and letting us have complete, uncontrolled, no opposition control for the last two years like we did the first two years. martha: this would be very problematic for republicans. >> well, sure. martha: republicans against any democratic candidate, they're losing. >> you know what is sad? i think harry reid and obama bum are looking at this from the standpoint of polls and politics as opposed to impact on the american people. i think they are inessentially making it as visible and painful as they can but at the same time, what they're not doing is understanding the economic consequences of having no government functioning, except

essential services. short-term political gain at the expense of the american people, that is reprehensible. that is what we have right now. martha: i think people are not happy about it and they're ticked off, frankly. and we'll see what it means when the elections do roll around. thank you so much, governor. >> good to see you. bill: a lot to cover throughout the day. jon scott will pick that up top. hour. how are you? >> 12 minutes -- away, bill. looming debt limit fight, you can add that as well. exciting times. we'll talk with a.b. stoddard and senator barosso from way open ming and. how are the media doing covering the story. jim pinkerton and alan colmes weigh in. health care exchanges, open but shaky. two military interventions overseas, somalia, libya, special operators underway. the details and fallout coming up. bill: interesting stories from

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martha: this is great. two little girls got a parking ticket before they could even drive a police officer finding this barbie jeep on the sidewalk, i kid you not. he spotted the vehicle. slapped an abandon vehicle sticker on the hood. the 7-year-old driver said she had no choice but to leave it. >> who left out the jeep that night? >> i think we left it on the sidewalk. >> how do you leave it on the

sidewalk? >> run out of batteries. martha: it ran out the batteries. what are you supposed to do, drag the thing on the driveway. the girls were not ticketed for the abandoned vehicle. don't leave that thing -- bill: that's right. lesson learned. supreme court officially kick off its new term this morning and legal experts are predicting a explosive year ahead. shannon bream live in washington on this. what are the key issues that the justices will tackle, shannon? >> reporter: bill, from abortion to campaign finance the term is packed with controversial cases. with that in mind several of the justices attended the traditional red mass here in washington held each sunday before the new term opens. several other lawmakers and top administration officials were there as well. they got an earful of a sermon about the partisanship and heated rhetoric that has taken over in washington and appeal for civility. this term the justices will tackle several cases touching on religious freedom including one that considers whether public

government meetings can be started with prayer. opponents saying allowing that would send the wrong message. >> if most of the prayers that were presented at the town council meeting were christian it, could be seen as an endorsement by that government, that christianity is the religion that they endorse, that they think is good. if you do not believe in that religion, then you're somehow a lesser member of that political community. >> reporter: and that case comes from a small town in new york. we'll keep an eye on it, bill. bill: there is lot of attention on a case that the court might take. what is that about? >> reporter: viewers are very familiar with the hhs mandate which will require employers to make sure their employees have access to health insurance that provides contraception at no cost to the employees. there are dozens of legal challenges to the mandate spread all across the country. among the highest profile, hobby lobby case. it was founded by christians who say their religious freedoms will be violated if they were

forced to comply. we could no in matter of days whether the voices judge to take up that case. here is a former supreme court clerk. >> carry on other free speech rights and carry on other rights, the way the argument is covering once you go to the work you have to leave your freedom of religion and doors at place of worship that is not what the first amendment is b hopefully the court will take these cases to clarify that issue. >> reporter: it is always a guess but we're almost certain they will take up one of those cases about the hhs mandates bill. bill: you will be there for it. thank you, shannon bream from washington. martha. martha: it happened 17 years ago today. a moment in history that changed all of our lives. we'll tell you what it is. next. the last thing i need. seriously? the last thing you need is some guy giving you a new catalytic converter when all you got is a loose gas cap. what? it is that simple sometimes. thanks.

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bill: i'm back at 1:00. martha: "happening now" starts right now. jenna: we look forward to that. we're tracking breaking developments on three major stories right now. the first one, deadlock in washington. the government shut down is now in week two. the debt ceiling deadline is fast approaching. we have new details. new details emerging on a pair of anti-terror raids by special forces. we're learning more about a suspect in custody. east coast is facing the possibility of severe weather. tornado watches from virginia all the way to new york city. first right now, brand new stories and other news you only see here. jon: the atf agent who blew the whistle on the botched gun-running program, "fast & furious," wants to tell his story to the american people. we'll tell you about government efforts to stop his new book and who is coming to his aid. also the norovirus, it sickens 21 million people a year.