that is all the time we have left this evening. as always, thank you for being with us. we're back at our new time tomorrow night, wake up to fox and friends tomorrow morning. see you back here, 10:00 eastern tomorrow night. report." row night fair, balanced and unafraid. >> it is 7:00 p.m. eastern and this is "on the record" at a brand new time coming from a brand new time in from our brand new studio in washington. just tonight when you thought you heard it all this is unbelievable. >> the extremists. >> legislative arsonists. >> hostage-taking tactics. >> why don't they get a life? >> i will work harder and i hope my senators will work to their best to maintain these habits of civility and decorum going forward. >> the problem is the senate. >> white ring extremists. >> tea party driven action. >> the president is still sitting on the sidelines. >> it's time for us to sit down and have a conversation. >> the president has taken many steps over the last several years to show his

willingness to negotiate. he has done it with democrats saying is he too eager to negotiate. >> we are not going to negotiate under the threat of further harm to our economy and middle class families. >> the president had us all down to the white house last week. only to remind me that he was not going to negotiate. >> we're not going to negotiate under the threat of a prolonged shutdown. >> the president's refusal to negotiate is hurting our economy and putting our country at risk. >> we're not going to negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe. >> he know what is my phone number is is all he has to do is call. >> greta: senate majority leader harry reid calling for civility in congress and now hiding behind a hatchet man. spokesperson issuing a statement blasting house speaker john boehner saying he has a credibility problem and refuses to come to grips with reality. former congressman allen west joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> it's a pleasure. thanks for having me on your brand new show 7:00. it is awesome.

>> greta: it is awesome. check out the set. not so fun what's going on on capitol hill. >> sure. >> greta: i should add speaker boehner's spokesperson fake outrage and refusing to negotiate. but, where is all the civility? >> well, the civility is lost because, really people are playing politics with the american people. and no one is sitting down to try to solve this. let's go back and think about when bill clinton was president and newt gingrich was the speaker of the house. guess what happened? they had welfare reform. they had social security reform. they cut the growth of government. as a matter of fact, bill clinton in his state of the union address said the era of big government is over. he was able to create a surplus. >> greta: what's the difference now. really dug his heels in. he is almostens transjent. what his legacy to be: when i look at the affordable care act: it should apply to all people. all americans. they there should not be waivers and exemptions there should not be delays.

it should be across the board. it's my big point of contention. if it's going to stand it will stand or fall on its own. if you are focused on that being your legacy instead of looking at when you came into office it was 10.7 trillion in debt and now we are talking about going over 17 trillion, i don't think the president wants his legacy to be that he amassed more debt in his term -- two terms as president than all previous presidents put together. >> does he lose something if he he negotiates that will put it off for a year, while we sort of tinker with it and try figure out how to fix any of the sort of the problems that might exist and does he lose? >> well, i don't think it's about -- and does that matter? >> it should not matter about him losing. it's about what's best for this country. and when you continue to look at where we are going as far as our debt and as far as our deficit. we have got to fix this thing. you can't continue to kick it downtown road. so at some point in time we have to stop borrowing money. now, every dollar in washington, d.c. is not equal. we have to prioritize our spending. one of the things did i was wrote a letter to hall

rogers chairman of the senate appropriations committee. why don't we have tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 spending levels in appropriations bills. we should be passing those things as they come up in priority instead of waiting until the end of the year and you get this massive omnibus bill that says we are going to fund everything. >> that nobody reads. not a single soul. >> we just found out that 800,000 federal government employees were classified as nonessential. what does that say? it just says ha this thing that we call the federal government has grown leaps and bounds out of control. >> greta: i first heard your name probably the first or second month you were in congress. and you found 30 marc mezvinsky of waste or something is that what you found? >> yes, department of defense budget. >> greta: department of defense budget and you got everybody to agree with you. >> 393 to 0. >> greta: that's the last time $30 million is a lot of money. may not be in the trillions but it's a lot of money. >> yeah. >> greta: why is there no appetite to dig through and find that money? >> i cannot understand it or explain it if you think that every single member of

congress over there just went and said i'm going to find 15 to $30 million of wasteful spending in programs what would happen for this federal government? what would happen far our economy? my big fear is that we don't really have a functioning economy. we have a artificial economy. we stop printing money what's going to happen? if we don't turn around this out-of-control spending up here in washington, d.c., what's going to happen? if anything should come out of these negotiations and eventually they need to be negotiations, we really need to have. we need to have monetary policy reform. >> do the the republicans have any responsibility in the stalemate? >> everyone has responsibility up here. >> greta: how do you get the republicans to sort of come off their position or, to you know, do what -- we have got to get both republicans and the democrats to somehow come off their fixedosition maybe not fixed position at least talk to each other. >> that's the most important thing, i believe that the republicans need to do a better job of articulating policy and what it means for the long term for american people

and hard working american families out there. i think the democrats have to get away from this playing politics where they are concerned about, you know, we want to win back the house. we want to make sure we keep the senate so that the president's last two years can be like his first two years. they have got to come together and understand what's best for the american people not best for the political party. i spoke up in delaware last week. george washington's farewell address talked about the danger of political factions. that's exactly where we are today. >> greta: how do we get them to stop worrying about politics? >> only the american people can do that. the american people have to want honest brokers to come up here and will say the things that they need to hear. not the things that they want to hear. and be willing and we need to have people that look, did it hurt losing congressional race? yeah. can i look myself in the mirror and say i have never lied to my constituents and did i everything that i probably could do for the betterment of their lives. >> greta: i must admit i'm appalled at senator harry reid who came out swinging and said nasty things

calling the tea party people or other side more so than the republicans have ever done. he has really come out. >> strapping bombs on the chest of arsonists. >> greta: he said he was going to be civil spokesperson blasts speaker boehner. fails to come to grips with reality. is he extension of the senate majority leader. and, you know, if he worked for me, he work for me tonight. he speaks on behalf of the senate majority leader. he said he was going to be civil. so is his staff. >> that's true. that's just the same as your public affairs officer. if you are a commander in the military. that person is going out. >> greta: why doesn't that happen? >> this is a a different beast up here. i do not understand why washington, d.c. is not concerned about working together for the betterment of the american people. and, like i said, if bill clinton and newt gingrich could do it, and created a surplus, reform welfare, reform social security, then why can't we do it

today? >> greta: good question. congressman, thank you. >> thank you. >> greta: straight ahead in saturday's g.o.p. address john cornyn insisting the obama administration thinks the shutdown is good politics. why does he say that? senator cornyn goes "on the record" next. donald trump and bill o'reilly both here. what would they do about the government shutdown. trump and o'reilly will both tell you coming up. guess who is calling? each night each this week we will take a call from a famous surprise caller. i have absolutely no idea who is calling me. this is the "on the record" staff that cooked up this thing. you will find out who is on the line when i do. can't miss this. fighting constipation by eating healthier, drinking plenty of water, but still not getting relief? try dulcolax laxative tablets. dulcolax is comfort-coated

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take it you are not too impressed with the meeting last week at the white house where the president met with the four leaders? >> no. where he said to mitch mcconnell and john boehner and others that i'm not negotiating. you know, this president is famous for wanting to go it alone. without congress or anyone

else, but now he knows he can't. but he is unwilling to do his job, which is to work together with both houses of congress and try to break this impasse. >> greta: is he working with senate majority leader harry reid? they certainly are saying the same thing but do you think they are working together on this? >> absolutely. as a matter of fact, you you probably saw the same reports i did where the president was thinking about having a meeting of the leadership and then harry reid told him don't do it. i have got your back. i have got it under control. of course, everything the house has tried to float, to break this impasse, including eliminating the congressional carveout from obama care, eliminating the penalty for individuals for one year like the president has done for employers, those have been rejected. and, so that's why we are at this impasse. >> greta: i don't get -- i assume and correct me if i am wrong, the senator jordan leader party of the senate but also the leader of the senate. i assume he has some sort of job to try to get the

two sides of the senate to get together. i don't see him -- does he ever reach out to the republicans on this? >> certainly not in this instance. i think they think they are winning. we saw that leap from unattributed white house source who said they think they are winning. if you look at the polls, i think unfortunately this is part of a cynical political game. and, unfortunately, the american people are the loser. so, we're better than this. i have every confidence we will get this done. but we are not going to give the president a clean debt ceiling increase. that's like maxing out your credit card. you haven't made any arrangements to pay your preexisting bill so you want to get some more credit so you can borrow some more money. that's a recipe for disaster for our country. >> greta: we are hearing in the senate. the senate majority leader harry reid intends to put that up this week a clean debt ceiling. >> that's what it is is looking like. >> greta: your response is what is going to happen with that? >> i hope and i expect that it's going to fail. and he --

>> greta: i think senator mark kirk who is a republican said he would vote for a clean debt ceiling. >> did i see that they're going to need to get six republicans to vote for a clean debt ceiling increase, which is basically saying we are not going to do anything to deal with $17 trillion in debt before we give the president another trillion dollars on this maxed out credit card without making arrangements for how are we going to pay what we already owe? completely irresponsible. >> so he needs five more. is he going to get five more? >> i don't believe so. stay tuned. >> greta: how about senator kirk? are you going to have a little conversation with him? >> i have a little chat with senator kirk and others and try to explain to him that we need to hold the line against this sort of irresponsible spending and debt. this is the fight for the future of our country and for our children. this is not a joke. it's not a reality game. this is the real deal. and while the continuing resolution is important, and the shutdown is certainly something we need to work through, the credit limit for the country is, i think the most important

vote we are going to have this year. >> greta: with the exception of senator kirk, all republicans are in line with you. >> we will be talking about that more tomorrow. >> greta: all right, senator, always nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> greta: coming up, new information that you have never seen before. photos from the u.s. terror raids in africa. lt. colonel oliver north is here next. two minutes, operations fast and furious. new trouble for the operation fast and furious whistleblower. what is is the atf trying to do to the whistleblower and why?

>> greta: the atf agent to blue the whistle on fast and furious fighting a new battle. john doddson fighting the book.er the right to the atf saying no to the

book. the account gives thousand esm from federal government helped sell thousands of guns to drug cartels. why is the atf denying right to publish? they say negative impact on morale. doddson's aclu lawyer says stomping on first amendment rights and saying the unarmed truth will come out in january with or without atf's permission. you be the judge. should they be granted the right to write the book yes or no. go to gretawire.com and vote in our poll. coming up in two minutes lt. colonel oliver north. never before seen photos from the commando raids in after from can a this weekend. that's next.

birthday. turning 30 is rough, isn't it. >> first time i have been home for a birthday in 10 years. usually i'm out there with those guys who conducted that special operation this past weekend. those raids, by the way, last weekend were, indeed, very special. the administration says it's a sign of success against al qaeda's core. the fact is the operation to grab abu al leany who planned those bombings in nairobi has been planning for well over a year. al leany was under surveillance for months. the three photographs that have not been seen elsewhere before one of

overhead coverage. the other two ground surveillce coverage of the objective area. are well known to those who planned this operation. these photographs actually came from a senior former u.s. intelligence officer who is very familiar with this operation, which included fbi agents, similar to the operation we conducted back in the reagan administration the units had to get him out offshore, get him to u.s. territory. in this case a ship and get him directly back to the united states. the al shabaab kingpin, mohammed mohammed alleged to have planned last week attack in that nairobi mall is a different kettle of fish. when he we were in somalia during the spring of last year kinnian and ugandan troops from the south and ethiopian from the north all but disseminated al shabaab in somalia. the al shabaab attack was a desperation measure to prove that the organization still had credibility. i'm told that the seal team operation to take out adeer

mohammed was put together in less than 48 hours and the problem, of course, is that they found children on the objectives, decided to withdraw and pull back off the beach. they had come in from ships and they went back out to ships. greta? >> greta: yeah, ollie, in terms of the second one in somalia, it was just ill-conceived? did we go too soon? >> well, look it. we have got lousy humit. >> bill: by that you mean human intelligence? >> exactly. human intelligence has been almost nonexistent through much of this war. the drone killings that we have pursued so vigorously by the obama administration has produced very little or no useful human intelligence at all. there is going to be more of those kinds of attacks that are going to take place in places like yemen and pakistan. but it's also important to note that al leany has been wanted for more than 15 years. and no one involved in the killing of four americans in benghazi in the burning of our facility there has been apprehended yet.

>> greta: you know what i actually like about the -- even though they retreated, i like the fact that they retreated before there was a problem and we didn't lose any navy seals or anyone else. i actually thought that was well-executed even though it was not successful. let me ask you one final question before you leave. >> fire away. >> greta: since it is your birthday, what do you want for your birthday. >> if everyone would help freeman alliance. help those particularly wounded and of course those kids who have lost a parent, loved one in the line of duty they get the scholarships from freedom alliance they can go to the freedom alliance web page or i think the web page is up on your site so they can go find it out there and make a contribution if they would, that would be a great, great birthday present. >> greta: indeed it, would colonel north, thank you, nice to see you. >> thank you. >> greta: up next, bill o'reilly is here. we are kicking off the new fox news prime time, bill o'reilly is next. you are about to hear from the driver behind the wheel in that terrifying race car crash.

>> greta: get ready, a race car crash caught on camera, crane dangling above manhattan, get ready to speed read your way through the news. first on capitol hill, moments ago the house passing another mini spending bill. this one to fund parts of the fda for drug and drug inspections during the shutdown. the bill now goes to the senate. and in the war on terror, the al qaeda leader captured in libya could be brought to new york in just a few days. a new york grand jury has already indicted him in connection with a 1998 u.s. embassy bombing in africa. and to new york city, a scary, scary scene high above the skyline, a construction crane gets stuck dangling heavy load over the street. it's the same crane that collapsed during super storm sandy. it's a video you can't turn away from. and tonight, another motorcyclist facing charges and now famous road rage encounter with an suv. this biker flipping both middle fingers at photographers as he was

hauled into a new york city court. and mexico, a monster truck goes out of control slamming into a crowd of spectators killing 8 people and injuring dozens more. and in texas, we are hearing from the race car driver who survived a terrifying crash at the houston grand prix. in a statement, darrio andretti saying thank you to everyone for you will a the well workers. they mean a lot it me. i would like to send my best to everyone in the accident hope everyone is all right. that's tonight's speed read. tonight we kick off the new prime time lineup and bill o'reilly now follows us and bill o'reilly joins us now. nice to see you, bill. >> bill: is it really, greta? is it nice to see me? nobody ever says that to me. i'm happy to be your leadout. i am happy to be your leadout. >> well, we are -- i should say we are delighted to have you as our lead. you know what, bill, i know you can solve all the problems here in washington with this shutdown slow down debt ceiling. so tell me how would you solve it?

>> well, the compromise that we put forth is one that's been in play that you delay the individual mandate for a year to iron out the kinks so that the folks can see exactly how this law is going to effect them direct whether i premiums, deductibles, co-pays, all of that they are not ready to go online with it anyway. you can't register. it's chaotic. doctors don't know what they are in for. so if somebody wants to sign up, they should be able to because it is the law of the land. i think president obama should give everybody the option and give everybody a break. >> greta: are you suggesting president obama is being stubborn about this that he should do that? and if so, how do you get him to come around to your viewpoint. >> yes, i am suggesting he is being stubborn and i o get him to come around to my viewpoint. maybe if you locked me and him in a room he would do it. he would just so desperate to get out of the room, but i have no idea. the republicans may be ready to take you up on this one. we are in a stalemate. the president and the republicans are not

agreeing on any solution. i mean, do we just keep olympicing down the road until something implodes. >> we keep olympicing until pinheads wise up and start doing what's right for the folks instead of the power games. this is a power play now. both parties trying to destroy the other for the 2014 elections. you know, sooner or later the people are going to get very bored and annoyed with that we limp along until they wise up. and i can't really say any more than that. >> greta: who is getting hurt? >> the folks are getting hurt. because, whenever you have chaos in the federal government, stock markets down, people who depend on the federal government for not only direct checks but, you know, in restaurants and things like that, they are getting hurt. national parks, people are getting hurt. so, you know, it's going to have a depressing effect on the economy. for at least september and october. everybody eventually gets hurt because you need some kind of central force in the country. and the people who don't think we need a federal government, they are as crazy as the loons who want

to be socialist. all i can say is this is about power. it's not about the people. >> all right. you you know, one of the things we were with the world war ii vets last week. they were laughing with the fact a barricade had been put around the monument after they scaled the cliffs at normandy and scaled the pacific. they laughed at it they don't think it's a big deal to be kept out of monuments. it certainly was a big deal to the american people. they don't like it. we also have to look at how the world is looking at at us with this problem. >> bill: i don't want to be disrespectful to president obama but i think the world sees us as a weak country now or weaker than we used to be. flawed, disorganized, divided, all of those things. and that is not going to help us going down the road. so, we are not in a good place in america right now. let's hope these people rebound and, again, start doing what's best for the folks. >> greta: you know, it really is terrible. i hate the crisis management. they all took that vacation in august i have been

harping on them for. they knew september 30th and october 17th when we hit the debt ceiling or unable to pay our bills. why do they take these vacations? >> because, again, it's the power deal. they want to put each other into a corner, back each other into a corner, and, you know, the vacations i don't mind. but you are absolutely right. they all knew that this was coming down the pike. but, i think that the intensity of obama care caught a lot of the people by surprise in washington. such strong feeling about it. and there is a growing anti-feeling about it. i think that caught some democrats by surprise. >> greta: how is the new book selling? >> we did about 400,000 in 10 days for "killing jesus." that's good. a lot of people learning about jesus. you would be surprised how many people have no idea about him as a man. they don't know what happened to him. they know he was hung on the cross why or where or who did it the book is a phenomenon right now and we are very very greater weight of the evidence. >> thank you for joining

us. i look forward to being the kickoff to the o'reilly factor every single night. nice to see you, bill. >> greta: all right, greta. thank you. straight ahead. donald trump, master deal maker do to end the shutdown stalemate? donald trump will tell you himself. also, guess who is calling? each night this week we will take a call from a famous surprise caller. i have absolutely no idea who it is. you will find out who is on the line when i do. you can't miss this.

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a scare as the human chair comes to life. young dancer showing off his moves to lady gaga's applause ♪ ♪ >> turk tsd floor of his school gym into a dance floor. of coursthe video going viral. we hope lady gaga see the little monster's amazing performance. evidence is back. ron burgundy is back and this time he is selling cars. >> a lot of of people will tell you about the dodge durango available hemiv 8 engine and 360-horsepower but i'm the only one to tell you about the glove box. comfortably fits two turkey sandwiches. six ball mean hammers. 70 packs of gum, 20 rulers. this thing goes on for inches. >> greta: will ferrell starred in a car commercial but promoting movie anchorman 2 the legend continues. real or fake?

is this video going viral as people try to figure it out. swedish ping-pong players showing off paddle skills with nice, even slicing fruit. is it real or fake? grow to gretawire.com and tell us what you think. coming up in two minutes is obama care care a good deal for small businesses? that's two minutes away.

the answer is no. but washington does. it doesn't seem right, does it? especially since washington is the only reason our government is shutdown. congress and the president didn't do their jobs. it's just that simple. they just didn't do their jobs. they knew government funding ended september 30th. and they knew september 30th would be rolling around it, does every single year and they knew we would hit our borrowing limit october 17th. another date incidentally that comes every year. so what did they do?

beginning early august they took a five week vacation they call it a recess. i don't. yes, many may have done some constituent work back home during that five weeks, but what constituent work at home could possibly trump the importance of funding our nation and keeping our economy on a steady road? you should be angry. every single one of us should be angry and we should be speaking out. we elected them to do a job and now they are in full scale panic and insulting each other and give us some solution that continues to poison our economy with uncertainty. it hurts all of us and that's wrong. that's my off-the-record comment tonight. go to gretawire.com and tell me what you think. if you an important story or issue you think i should take off the record go to gretawire.com and tell us about it. and now to obama care, the state of california claiming it led the way in implementing the healthcare law but is that good news or bad news for small businesses? griff jenkins went to california to find out.

>> in 1981, this family started brookfield's restaurant here in sacramento. today, the family-owned business has three restaurants, a meat packing facility and nearly 200 employees. the president sam says he has serious concerns over what the new healthcare law may mean for their future. >> we are probably affected the most. i have always thought of myself as a small business, but, under obama care, with 180 employees, we are considered a large business. and we have to provide affordable healthcare to our employees. back in july, what we did is we implemented obama care because that was our renewal period for our insurance. so we presented it to our employees like obama care was starting back in june of this year. and we had 88 individuals that were eligible for the

insurance. of the 88 people that were eligible, only 43 ended up signing up. >> 12 years ago catherine bragg and her husband started a bakery here in downtown nevada, california. today it's grown into a successful small business with 20 employees and goods are sold in seven counties. >> our employees we have never been able to offer them health insurance because we couldn't afford it for ourselves. >> you have had a recent business growth which is what any small business owner's, i would assume would hope for. >> that's right. >> what is your growth and what are you going to do if you go from 20 to 25 employees to the threshold of the magic number of 50? >> well, it's an interesting question because that's what we have been asking ourselves. if the threshold, if the goal line as one friend says is now 50 employees, do we build our business to 49 and avoid the 50? it's that kind of mentality. but even more to that is what i fought for when i spoke

business? >> i just don't see the benefit of it. i mean, i don't see that it is going to benefit those who are t. is supposed to benefit. because those who you no, they want to cover the uninsured uninsured is young people that don't want insurance. they don't think they need insurance. the young people still won't participate. it will be a disaster for those who are left in the system probably result in higher costs out to my customers try to avoid. might result in the fact

that we might cut people in order to keep organizers on and give them health insurance. unfortunately it truly is is a pie in this case and there truly is only so much pie that can go around. >> greta: up next, donald trump. how is a business mogul negotiate the budget standoff. trump is here to tell you next. and tonight's secret -- moments away. even i don't know who it is. the staff cooked this one up all alone. we will find out which

>> greta: okay. time to hash it out. the government shutdown stopping lots of things in washington. but it is not stopping the federal reserve from unveiling the latest currency upgrade. huffington post politics tweeting meet the new $100 bill coming to a bank near

you starting tomorrow of the new benjamins are aimed at foiling counterfeits. the bill's makeover includes a disappearing liberty bell. one word of caution. these $100 bills may not be worth much if congress doesn't get its act together. and football season is off to a rough start for the giants and 2011 super bowl champions have yet to win a game and now. this the "new york post" tweeting manhattan strip club decides against showing giants game on tv after fifth straight loss. strip joint cabaret banning giants for the rest of the season. the spokesman says the crowd's mood sours and it's not good for our club. bright pink toy car doesn't mean it can't get a ticket. yahoo news told a pink barbie jeep abandoned after running out of batteries. an officer found the car blocking the road he slapped it with a bright orange tag. it was just a warning. it was the officer's

attempt at humor. and now it is your turn hash it out with us. this hash tag greta all your stweets and posts two. minutes donald trump is here plus our secret caller. stay with us.

>> today donald trump tweeting about the shutdown using less than 140 characterization to write. obama administration has an important duty to provide a budget and negotiate. our country is a laughing stock. get, this a trump fan suggesting president obama read the art of the deal. to learn to negotiate. donald trump joins us. nice to he see you congratulations on new wonderful time spot. flild to be here. thrilled to have you donald. hell of a time trying to negotiate here in washington. so, tell me, if you were president. what would you do? >> you have to get everybody in a room. you have to be a leader.

the president has to ed loo. he has got to boehner and everybody in a room. dealment and be nice and be angry and wild and congeal and do all sorts of thing but you have to get a deal. and, unfortunately, he has never been a dealmaker. that wasn't his expertise before he went into politics and it's obviously not his expertise now. but you have to get the people in a room and you have to get a deal. that's good for everybody and good for the country. >> do you have a sense that both sides want a deal? now, speaker boehner says he wants a deal. he accuses the president and the republican leader in the senate of not negotiating. they say they have such a strong position that they don't want the deal. how do you get someone who doesn't think he needs to deal to deal? >> i don't think the president does have such a strong position. i think the strongest position that they have is that the republicans are bickering and they don't seem to get along. they are not unified. if the republicans were unified they would have the cards. but the fact is that the

president, in 20 years from now and in 100 years from now, when you talk about the obama administration, they are not going to be talking about boehner. they are not going to be talking about reid. they are not going to be talking about any of these people. i think it's very important for him to make a deal and to get it done. i also think the republicans are pretty stead fast. smart guy, tough guy and i know he wants to do well for the country and do what's right for the country. frankly, i think the republicans are going to be a lot tougher to make a deal with they want something to happen with obama care because they say ultimately obama care will destroy the country. and they want something to happen. so, whether it's a debt ceiling or obama care, they want to make a deal but they want it to be right. >> greta: how long can we keep raising the debt limit before we implode? i mean, at some point i assume we can't just keep extending it that we're not

going to be able to make the interest payment. is there a magic threshold? >> well, nobody knows the answer to that question. it's going to be a very interesting question. we are right now 17 trillion, we will be hitting it any day, any moment, $17 trillion in debt. there has never been anything like it. we have never been -- this is uncharted waters. we have never been there before. but 17 trillion is a number that nobody thought possible, even 10 years ago. i mean, nobody thought it even possible. and the word trillion was impossible if you look. when did we start talking about trillions? and now it's a very common word in our vocabulary, unfortunately. so, something is going to have to be done. there is tremendous waste. i mean, you look at what's going on right now, you see the kind of waste we're talking about. tremendous waste in our government and, frankly, our country is not doing well. unemployment is really terrible. not 7.3%. probably 17 or 18%. when you get the country moving again, lots of good things will happen.

unfortunately, this country is not moving in the right direction. >> greta: how do you get the government, our government to care about waste? one just simple example is $67 million, the irs cannot account for, that it was given to help with the rollout of obama care. it's part of a larger sum. they can't account for the $67 million. no one seems particularly disturbed about it. may be trump change when you look at a debt ceiling. there seems to be little will in washington to go and find it. >> what about when you hire thousands and thousands of people to explain obama care because it is 2900 pages, it's totally complex. nobody can understand it it the people that they have hired don't understand it it and you then create a web site and they worked on the web site for years now the web site opens and it's useless. it's just not working. it's dead. it's terrible. and frankly probably the same thing is going to happen with respect to

obama care. people are being put out of work. people are being hired part time that never had a part time job before. but they are being hired part time now, greta, because of the fact that that is to the employer's advantage. it all starts with competence. you need great competence. when a web site goes up and it doesn't work, it's broken. the web site broken. it doesn't work. and this is the beginning of obama care. you would think that after all of this talk, the web site would be flawless, it's totally broken. >> donald, also nice to see you. thanks for joining us especially tonight at 7:00 p.m. >> good to he so you. congratulations. >> greta: thank you. the phone is ringing. only the "on the record" producers know who is on the other line. i will be just as surprised to you. let's take this call together. it's greta. who is on the line? >> hi greta, it's my tyson i called to say congratulations about the show and nobody deserves it more than you. >> oh mike, nice to hear from you. nice to hear from you. >> hey, ha, what's going on

here? i'm as happy to be on the phone talking but to this and god willing i will be on your show with you and your co-host? >> greta: you can be a co-host. that would be interesting. when are you going to come on the show i might as well take advantage book deal. >> you let me know and i'm there. >> greta: what have you been up to, mike? >> i have been up to a lot of things. i have a book believe it or not that's pretty shocking that i have my one man show hbo coming along on november 16th. i'm just doing a lot of dynamic things. i got my i mike production company. i'm very grateful. that's what i'm trying to convey in this conversation, a lot of gratitude. >> greta: i'm so excited. i haven't heard from you in such a long time it surprises me to hear your voice. how is your wife. >> lovely and wonderful as ever. listen, have you always been in our heart. always so proud of you. this is just another -- very hard core for you. >> greta: let me throw it

back to you. one-man show. have you been doing unbelievably well. i read but all the time. >> both jim and i -- you and my wife have the same birthday both crazy geminies. >> greta: i know that when we were out there talking. i loved all the pigeons. do you still have all the pigeons? >> yes. they are not going anywhere. >> greta: i can't believe you are my first surprise guest of my first night at 7:00 p.m. i don't know how -- i don't know how they found you. >> hey, listen, i'm just happy that they did and i was able to convey congratulations to you. mike tyson comes on fox sports 1 every tuesday at 7:30 on the west coast. 10:30 on the east coast. and we when are we going to hang out again, greta. that's just the bomb. does -- still work with you? >> greta: yeah, we will hang out again. now that i have formally booked you on the air. all of the viewers have heard that you have agreed to appear on the show. you are locked in, right? >> absolutely implicitly.

>> greta: all right, mike. i appreciate the call and we'll talk soon. we have another secret caller tomorrow night. plus, former defense a second donald rumsfeld and senator rand paul, is he going to go "on the recor well, well, well. don't adjust your television. a black guy has taken over "red eye." welcome to black guy. let's welcome our guests. i am here tonight with an old neighbor and a confidant, jedediah bila. and i am here with my roommate , tv's andy levy. give it up for andy levy. no clapping. and my spiritual leader, bill schulz. and standing next to me tom shillue.