press. emergency crews rescued the fire fight between the second and third floor. we are trying to figure out what cause the the fire and what happened with the firefighter. at least that firefighter was rescued and we'll keep you posted. thanks for joining us. ally and bill up now. >> it is shut down. and president obama will talk later this hour and take questions. how are you doing? ! great to see you. i am allyson camerota. we are learning a plan to work on all of this. mike emmanuel is on capitol hill. hi, mike. >> hi, alley, the house is set to negotiate and vote to have

people paid on time. they will have ten republicans and half from the house and senate and it will meet to discuss the debt ceiling and other fiscal matters. house speaker john boehner said it is time to talk. >> refusing to negotiate is unteinable position. and refusing to negotiate harry reid and the president are putting our country on a dangerous path. there is never been a president in our history who did not negotiate on the debt limit. never, not once. today speaker boehner and president obama spoke by phone. the president said he will not negotiate on a government funding bill or debt limit increase. mr. obama offered to negotiate after the government is reopened and the debt limit is raised. as from the latest offer from house republicans, a leading house democrat who served on the

original committee doesn't like. it >> do they want another sequester and lead to millions of americans out of work? there is no reason to get our work done now. we don't need a sequester the votes exist to pass a clean budget bill. >> fellow house democrat called it pretense over substance and said that failure is not an option. senate democratic leader chuck shumer called it another gimmick. >> allyson? >> hard to know if they are making progress with all of the talk. >> we found out half of the country doesn't want the debt limit raised period. and 62 percent say any debt seouling hike needs to go along with major spending cuts. 20 percent said it needs to be done regardless. what is at stake here? the host of melissa francis on

the fox business network. and good day to you. >> thank you. >> the poll shows where the majority of the americans are and they are not behind raising the debt limit. 62 percent said you have to get your financial house in order. and one from the president who said that we are not dead beats and you can't go out there and not pay your bills. it seems more americans are relating to when you max out your visa card and say it is your responsibility to raise your debt limit. you sit down and get your financial house in order. that second one is getting more traction. >> china is weighing in on this. >> the foreign min ufter said the clock is ticking and we expect america to get its house in order and address this in a timely manner. they are our largest creditor and told 1.3 trillion and have

three times in that in dollar denominated assets. it is important to them not to see a major meltdown. >> wall street at home. markets can move opinionsing. what is it saying? >> so far, so good. the markets are relatively steady. i talk to rin vestors and they say it is more serious and it is a down grade of the debt and it triggers a lot of different things in the market. if you look back to 2011 they did down grade and the government said s&p did retaliate and they feel like there is a causal relationship and it was retribution. and a lot of people believe that the rating agencies will be less

like tee to down grade unless the government miss a payment. >> what is the likelihood of that happening? >> it depend on who talk to. we take in 234 billion every month. we only need 18.6, in order to service the debt. jack l. ew said it is not up to him to decide how to prioritize what we pay and don't. other economist said that is your job to prioritize. the money is there to make a payment. the rest may be up to politics and interesting to watch. >> we'll have plenty to talk about later today. >> fox business network check it out. >> they are all about money. just look at her for crying out loud. >> that's right. thanks so much a lessia. the president cancelled his trip to asia and the vice-president cancelled his trip to new

jersey. vice-president bide boyd was supposed to go to the garden state on friday to show support for corey booker. he is the mayor of newark and running for the seat of frank lau10berg. >> don't mess the president's speech. and now the u.s. supreme court is back in session and the first case on the docket might have a huge impact on how much money can flow in the political elections. shannon broem was there and what was at stake, shannon. >> the case heard today is a sequel to one that our viewers may remember and sparked a how down in the president's state of the union dress and he addressed the justices because he was unhappy with how they decided the citizens united case and recognized the right of

organizations to contribute to political campaign. justice a lito attempted to correct him and mouthing and mouthing not true. the justices heard a dispute on the limits by individuals and political parties. it is sparring on whether they prevent corruption or limit first amendment speech. here is the position. >> and facing the court is the question of whether they are going to throw out 40 years supreme court precedent and declare unconstitutional a contribution limit that prevents corruption. >> the first amendment is want more free speech. they get to speech and getting rid of the limits, we insure people do that but they are doing so in a transparent way.

>> the number of the justices seem skepteccal on how good these limits are doing. and others seem to be worried about the fact that the wild west situation might develop if you get rid of the limits. it will be months before we get a decision on this particular case. >> based on the decision, could it impact politics in america? >> it could. right now, there are limits on how much an individual can give to individual candidates and committees that are controlled by the national parties. and so when in an election cycle there is a limit. if you give the max to each candidate it stops. and the plaintiff said i want to contribute to people all over the country and why not 10 or 20 and i want to contribute to every congressional race? we'll see what the justices have to say. >> first amendment cause involved in this. what is next?

>> there are new developments to tell you about the road rage boat down that -- beat down that the country has seen. when you learn the identity of the biker pounding the car window. >> the police commissioner talking about this. al-qaeda mastermind in u.s. custody and what interrogators can hope to learn from him and who heead us toward next. >> and grading obama care, the impact of the glitches and what to make of the white house not being able to say how many people signed up. >> if anybody had doubts about the need to delay these things, those doubts should have been allayed this weekend when the administration admitted the web site was not working and took it off line for repairs. ♪

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that there are new reports that an undercover cop witnessed the biker road rage attack but joined in. the officer reportedly admitting that he was there and he did not intervene to help the driver in order to stay under cover he said. he only showed up after the fight was over. there is new video that showed otherwise and he was punching the vehicle in the height of the fight. this comes as word of a fifth biker placed under arrest and another was a rhined this horning, this story keeps going. >> and there could be more arrests, too. >> we are also getting new information on the capture of the terrorist suspect believed to have ties in the highest level of al-qaeda. the u.s. military may delay

transferring a l- libby. and what are we learning about his connection with al-qaeda's main leadership in pakistan. >> according to u.s. officials. a l- libby is the operative behind al-qaeda expanding network and tied to al-qaeda senior leadership. this is a picture of a l- libby who was including establishing training camps and leveraging a network after the fall of gaddafi. he was the main lision with jihaddist in lebia. and his intelligence value is high. >> we don't know if he was involved in the benghazi attack. but there is al-qaeda actors and a l liby was the star there.

and knew the other stars. >> fox news asked the administration how al-qaeda can be in decline when long- time follow ares in somalia are so involved in current operations? >> you are grossly overgeneralizing the view on al-qaeda. what we said repeatedly al-qaeda core in afghanistan and pakistan is weakened because of counter terrorism effort. >> on the somalia raid two intelligence sources say there is a strategy in the region and planning was in the works prior to the attack in the westgate mall in kenya that you can see here. after the terrorist al shabab it was a belief that the foreign fighters in the somalia compound are preparing to leave that

country. >> we are joined by fox news analyst kt mcfar land. >> sounds like a l- libi was connected and he could be a fount of information. >> he is a senior guy they sent in to libya to be the country manager of the establishment in al-qaeda. he knows about the higher levels of al-qaeda and going to know what is going on in the ground in libia. but there is another set of questions. what does he know about the al-qaeda- iran connection. they have him indicted on the mastermind of the bombings in east africa in 1998. and supposedly, he took information and got assist apse fr from hesbolla h.

there is no connection. the al-qaeda sunni muslim and shiite. and a l- libi spent a decade in iran. what does he know. we are about to sit down with iran to negotiate a nuclear weapons treaty and sitting down with the syrians with the chemical weapons. and is there a connection between al-qaeda and hesbollah and iran. >> it would be nice to be on the warship. it sounds like they may be getting information out of him. and the way they got him with special forces instead of a drone as we have seen in the past. does this mark a change in the manager's strategy? >> the administration has shown with the attacks in somalia in east africa and libya is that

africa is a new place to look. it is not pakistan or afghanistan or yemen. but new al-qaeda growth opportunities are in africa and the fact that the administration put boots on the ground since they went after bin laden. it has been all drone attacks. and the fact that they are in africa and looking to nab somebody. not only a l- libi. but nab the guys in somalia. they want intelligence of what is going on and the plans for the growth opportunities in africa they want suspects alive? >> sure, if they can get them alive. one failed and one succeeded. >> that is more dangerous? sending in an unmanned drone and taking someone out in a ca fe is different than seal team six and special forces. we are making the change because we don't have enough intelligence lately? >> i assume that is what it is.

they are willing to take up risk. al-qaeda sets up shops in failed states. and that's where they go in business. if they are in libya they will launch attacks against egypt. somalia they will launch attacks in the region. and the administration is willing to take a chance and i applaud them for it. to get the people and get intelligence out of them. >> thank you for this. >> and the fact that they want him alive. interesting the way kt describes it for us. it will be something if he comes to new york. >> for prosecution. >> and punish for a picture. this framed portrait of jesus christ is costing a school district tens of this happeneds of dollars. >> and a robber with a gun picks a wrong store to rob and got this guy running scared.

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>> at work or mobile device. we are waiting for the president to speak and take questions about the government shut down on day eight. we expect to get a sense of the conversation. don't leave and we'll have that for you when the president comes out. >> bill, normally you would not want to bring a knife to a gun fight. watch as the armed robber shoots

at a deli worker and the bullet missing the clerk and the robber couldn't get off the second shot and the worker picked up a machete and chased the robber without of the store and in the parking lot. >> he anyhow what he was doing. and the guy with the gun missed him three feet away. >> the sword is mightier than the gun. >> he has an excellent halloween costume. >> that was ninja like. >> impressive. >> a ohio school paying a huge fine for keeping a portrait of jesus in the hallway. shelling out $95,000 after settling with a group that sued to take it down. live in our newsroom. what is going o. >> bill, the portrait was hanging in the school since 1947

when harry trumman was president. it was meant to commemorate historical figures and the ohio chapter and group called freedom from religion sued to take it down. they call today a violation of the first amendment. the display of the portrait has the effect of enforcing one religion and tangling them in religious affairs and violating the personal consciouses of plaintiffs. moreover the partrait of jesus taken down. it was not put thereby the school district 66 years ago but the student group that gifted the artwork. the school district decided to cave in and agreed to settle the case rather than continue to spending taxpayer dollars. who are the plaintiffs? two students and throw parents

anonymous and they will get 3,000 and the aclu and freedom from religion will picture 80,000 in legal fees just to go away and of course, the portrait of jesus goes away. n$95,000 later that's what you get? >> problems persist as the americans try to sign up for the new obama care exchanges and the white house said it that is why they are so popular. >> this is large volume and no question that there is large volume and they are rough estimates. >> we'll take a look at whether that is in fact the case. >> a bartender revealing his own plan to get law makers back on track. and the president could shell out big money if he wants to kick back with a cold one. ♪

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>> mala la is under a death threat just days before she could be named a nobel prizewinner. >> if you are a furloughed government member you can pay two. and president would be charged 702. and that is the cost of the obama care penalty and two bucks for the bore that the regular guys get. >> i get. it beauty of being a small business owner you can price it however you want. >> you can do that. >> their efforts will help us take the next and most important step. comprehensive hair care reform so we can do what i pledge to do as a candidate and save a typical family average of 2500

on the health care costs. >> that was president obama in 2009, pressing the point that american families will save big time on the insurance costs. but the health care spending will sky rocket over the next decade. who is right on this? jim angle is the correspondent. make sense of all of this? >> i will try, allyson. it will not have going to do with the $700 beer. but the president made that promise repeatedly and that is called in question by several twepments. government said health care spending will uncrease by 621 billion over the next years and not go down as the president suggested. >> we are seeing the official scorekeepers saying it is going up and that is a mark against the program. >> they made it clear in the projections that the health care

law did not bend it down it bent it up. it will be increases in national health spending associated with the implementation of health care law. >> one of the reasons that health care spending is going up, obama care does two things to increase costs. forcing the young and healthy to cover the old and sick and requires a long list of essential health benefits that increase the costs for everyone, listen. >> it does not surprise me that we are spending more on health insurance. we are adding more people to the roles and insists that they have more jennerous coverage and people spend more and the premiums are going to go up. >> and supporters say there will be more competition in the exchanges that may hold prices down and point to government subsidies. >> and there are very significant subsidies and that will be provided to people to

help them pay for the prem yups. and these subsidies reach deeply in the middle-class. >> recent reports from individuals complaining about the premiums rising by hundreds dollars and having the deductibles double suggest that the subsidies will not help everyone offset the cost of obama care. allyson? >> thanks for trying to do the math. >> one weekend, white house said the glitches are fixed and in the main obama care web site was taken down for repairs just like over the weekend. >> but with the obama administration not saying how many americans signing up. how do we measure how obama care is doing? he served as the director. and he is former chief of staff to joe mafrn -- manchin. >> let me start with you, chris.

it is now eight days since the obama care exchanges have been open for business. is it fair or reasonable to get a progress report on how the affordable care act is doing. >> matt will say the week has had glitches and therefore the program is a failure. the problems are in respond to a demand. 8.6 million people who go to the web site for information and looking to start application, that is an indication. one thing to keep in mind, this is six month open enrollment and you will see it more so in the last few months before the enrollment closes and i think it is too early to tell. >> we'll bring in matt here. republicans are pushing for a one- year delay for the original man date. would the administration go for that right now?

>> i think there is people at hhs who would go for it and they have the shirt sleeves pulled back and trying to fix the web site bill. the republicans are saying to the president that obama care is not ready for prime time. that you give big corporations a delay of the year. and youat to give small business people. >> i understand all of. that i am just wondering would they benefit for delaying it a year or is that wishful thinking on behalf of the republicans after you have seen the roll out. >> i think president obama would benefit if he had a year to have the team go back and figure out how people can enroll in obama care and all of the complications in the health care delivery system with obama care underway. by the same token. it is imperative that republicans be able to say to

the american people, look we are making a fair case here. they are not ready to implement the program and we ought to sit down with the president and make that case. >> matt, have we just lost sight of what success means? >> how do we measure success with obama care? is the amount of people or the costs? you heard jim angle's piece that costs are not going down. >> i hate to say this to someone serving ten years in the federal government. i don't know if you can believe. it they say 8.6 million people went. how do we know? >> those reports have been eronnous. >> and chris, what do you think the measure of success is? >> i think the measure of success, there is a short term and long-term. i do find it amusing that republicans like matt and others will destroy programs and saying

it is a failure and it is eight days in. the program hasn't gone into affect yet before everyone write its negative consequences. that being said, when six month enrollment is up, we'll have a strong indication that millions of people who don't have health care today will have health care then. that will be good for them and the country as a whole. long- term in the future. banging the cost curve is critical. and if that is not happening at the rate they want there is adjustments maid. >> we can all agree that the entire eight years, obama administration will be judged on how effective or not the law ultimately becomes. >> and a year from now, we'll have an election and it will be largely affected by people's view on obama care. >> that is true for every president and every major policy that is passed.

we had an election where american people voted again. >> this is the law and the act of this administration and that will be judged for a long time. fellas we have to run. thank you, we'll check in later. >> it is a busy day on the national mall today. and we have a live look for you right now. even though it is closed because of the shut down, it is open for a immigration rally. is that fair? >> and what does elizabeth smart reveals about nine years in captivity. >> months, actually. >> dr. keith ablow will be here. really? what's wrong with trying new things? look! mommy's new vacuum! (cat screech) you feel that in your muscles? i do... drink water.

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>> grechen is coming up. how are you do? >> doing fantastic. we are waiting big news from the president. he's speaking from the white house in 18 minutes from now.

what will he say? we'll have the analysis and the vice chair of the republican conference rogers and all-star political panel will weigh in on the top of the hour. >> you have a big hour. see you then. >> and meanwhile, there is a new book hitting store shelves. elizabeth smart is telling her story. she was 14 years old and snatched from her bed room and abused physically and mentally and sexually and miles from home the whole time. >> somehow, it would get worse. when i thought it was bad enough to drink alcohol. he forced me to drink so much. next morning my face and hair would be crusted to the ground in vomit. >> this is dr. keith a blon ow. >> i. dr. ably. >> and elizabeth smart's story is jaw- dropping as we always

have known and she talked about how two hideous people deprived her of water and food for days and she was basically kept as brian david mitchell's sex slave in a course of nine months. dr. do you find when people go back to ve visit the trauma they endured as she had to for writing the book, is it healing or reopen all of the wounds? >> there is healthy debate about that in psychiatry. >> i find that people heal. when you face your demons instead of running from them you find out you are bigger than they are. her unsparring autobiograpy shows she must have therefore survived it to the extent that she is able to look at it and stare it down. >> it is hard for people to understand why she was not able

to escape during the nine months. she had opportunities and there were police around and this is a moment where she tries to explain why she couldn't. >> i had lived with threats every single day and i can tell you, that words are stronger than physical chains and i have had both so i know. >> dr. ablow. >> the verbal threats were strong as physical chains, what does that mean? >> it is important to realize if you are abducted from your bed room as she was, all of your sense of reality is shattered. you think of the person as super human potentially as she did. his saying to her, if she were to escape by some miracle, that he would still kill her family. to a 14-year-old that is sounding who would have thought he could have spirited her from her bed room unnoticed. he seemed super human to her and

taking the risk. it feels like a terrible cal can youulous. is he undefootable or not? >> remarkable moment she talks about the moment when police identified her? listen to this. >> somehow, when it was bad enough to drink alcohol. he forced me to drink so much. the next morning my face and hair would be crusted to the ground in vomit. that was the wrong one. police came up to her, the moment she was found and rescued, she didn't say she was elizabeth smart. it was not until your family misses you and looking for you. your family loves you and wants you back she said yes, i am elizabeth smart. why would that be? >> after the period of time she spent in captivity several months, she would have been

wondering, could this be a test and maybe someone is in communication with my cantors. after all. if you can be the prized daughter of a family and very much taken care of one day and then someone kept naked and chained in a camp with a woman who is dressed oddly and the first wife of the lunatic. anything can happen and routine mundane events and welcome ones and maybe i will be released and maybe this man is truly like merlinand can cause going to happen. >> god bless the police for being persistent and people identified her because of a tip from the show. dr. keith abplow thank you for the insight and for people who want to hear more from elizabeth smart she willob the real story.

>> and an unusual family vacation. cross country on a union cycle and a very good reason for that. we'll explain. >> immigration rally on the national mall. it is closed because of the shut down and reopened for this event. and what about the americans turned away from the memorials and monuments. is this special treatment? humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, to policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what ee comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy?

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there is a pro immigration reform rally in washington, d.c. today. >> right now on the national mall today. closed because of the shutdown.

right now. >> of course. david how are you? >> well, i was good until you said that. i don't think there is any sense made of this. >> the national mall and our national monuments and memorials are closed because they had to furlough workers there. why is this happening today? >> there is no answer. they are claiming that this is a first amendment case. that the park service is allowing them to have their first amendment. this is a rally for illegal immigration to become legal. veterans or any one in america they want to pull off to the side of the road to see mount

rushmore but they can't do it. and by the way, this is a perfect example. when the government can control everything. down to whether you can be allowed into the mount vernon parking lot or not. think about when obama is going to control health care. for visiting monuments whether it is in california or washington, d.c. he can control everything there is to do with access. >> we are looking at a picture there. who is this group? >> well, look, i mean they have the unions out there. i heard it was the aflcio and there are a large number of people who want to use this window, what they think is a window of opportunity to get immigration reform passed. i can tell you, i'm agitated by this enough where i would be

telling the members of congress that i talked to, make obama pay for this attack on the american people by not bringing it up. >> i had an e-mail efl chaxchanh the national park police why the monument would be open when others are not. they said the u.s. park police are at capacity during the shutdo shutdown? so why are the other ones shut down? >> look, the park service, the park service workers, the police, they have a stuff job, they have a hard job to do, especially when they are telling world war ii veterans that you

can't go to a waorld war ii memorial. the park police are at capacity dealing with an immigration rally. >> david, one last question here. and nancy pelosi is here right? >> we can tell the world war ii veterans that are here last week. clearly barack obama is a president using his power to make as painful as possible. including on that greatest generation those who gave all the vietnam memorial also closed

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thank you so much for watching today. now, "the real story". >> welcome everyone to "the real story". big day of news today. we are waiting to hear from the president from the white house at any moment today. we learned that the president told house speaker today that the president insisted that he

will not negotiate on a bill to fund the government. the white house said that the president is willing to yoe negotiate with the republicans if the threat of default is lifted. good to see you brett, so it is still a stalemate. i find it interesting that these press released came out almost instant ta instantaneously. expect the president to come out and make some sort of statement. we don't know how long that will be. and then he is expected to take some questions. you are right. the sides are pretty much digging in. and the question really is, will there be some get